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Watch out for this cars... Toxic man
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/02/top-10-most-toxic-cars.html/10
So now crematorium also give out toxin
http://www.ejnet.org/crematoria/
http://faculty.virginia.edu/metals/cases/huffman1.html
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html
Plane Exhaust Kills More People Than Plane Crashes
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/10/101005-planes-pollution-deaths-science-environment/
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html
Oh dear...what will happen to Tuas when the ports become operational?
All container port activities to be consolidated at Tuas in future
Singapore will work towards consolidating all container port activities at Tuas over the long term as recommended by Singapore’s Economic Strategies Committee.
The first set of berths at the new Tuas Port is expected to be operational in about ten years’ time.
Speaking at the launch of Pasir Panjang Terminal Phases 3 and 4 by PSA Singapore, Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew said the development of Tuas Port will free up prime land, which the city terminals at Tanjong Pagar, Keppel and Pulau Brani are currently occupying, for future redevelopment.
The port leases for the city terminals at Tanjong Pagar, Keppel and Pulau Brani will expire in 2027.
Consolidation of port activities at Tuas will improve capacity to meet longer term demands, achieve greater efficiency and economies of scale.
It will also reduce the need for containers to be moved by trucks between existing terminals.
There are currently five container terminals – Brani, Keppel, Tanjong Pagar, Pasir Panjang Terminal 1 and Pasir Panjang Terminal 2.
Mr Lui said: “Tuas provides a suitable location because of its sheltered deep waters and proximity to both our major industrial areas and international shipping routes. We will plan for Tuas Port to be able to handle up to 65 million twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs) per annum.”
Meanwhile, PSA will spend S$3.5 billion to bring in class-leading infrastructure and latest port technology to develop Phases 3 and 4 of its Pasir Panjang Terminal.
Phase 3 is expected to be operational in 2014.
When fully completed with 15 berths by 2020, the development will increase the total port capacity by 50 per cent to 50 million TEUs.
source: channelnewsasia.com
Interesting facts
Here are some quick interesting and not very well-known facts about Maritime Singapore.
At any one time, there are about 1,000 vessels in the Singapore port.
Every 2-3 minutes, a ship arrives or leaves Singapore.
Vessels passing through the Singapore Strait are monitored by the Maritime and Port Authority’s (MPA) Port Operations Control Centre, using the Vessel Traffic Information System (VTIS),which has the capability of handling up to 10,000 tracks at any one time.
Singapore is well-connected to more than 600 ports in over 120 countries.
Although Singapore does not produce any oil, it is the top bunkering (ship refuelling) ports in the world. In 2012, more than 42 million tonnes of bunkers were lifted in Singapore. This is enough to fill over 17,000 Olympic-sized pools.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 09:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution
Read the portion on Atmospheric Dispersion....
It is true that those working in the refinery are the safest after all..... HAHAHAHAHAHA
It uses a Gaussian dispersion model for continuous buoyant pollution plumes to predict the air pollution isopleths, with consideration given to wind velocity, stack height, emission rate and stability class (a measure of atmospheric turbulence)
Think about the HAZE from indo..... See how far it was.... So all of u guys better pray NEA put a check on the pollution.... HAHAHAHAHAHA
If not better by a house nearest to the chimey.... I believe there are people technical enough to be able to calculate based on the formula the dispersion...
I ain't one of them.... Hahahahaha
The point remains that Singapore's air is not the cleanest in the world and wherever you live, the air quality is going to be worse than that in many other countries. But it is not the foulest either. There are countries where air is foul enough to kill you.
The fact that some parts of Singapore have slightly lower AQI at some points than other parts is entirely meaningless. What would be significant if one part of Singapore has AQI at 400 and another part at 8. But that would be impossible.
BTW, even as we speak, AQI in Singapore is about 70 across the island. to put it in perspective, AQI in Toronto is 10. Now that is significantly different. But to compare AQI in CBD at 67 and AQI in Jurong at 70 would be stupid. The different is just random white noise and can reverse anytime.
Simple - the further you are from the source, the safer you are.
Since you agreed that the Jurong have more particulates, and Jurong is exposed to toxic gases 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, if the toxic gases become too much over long period of time, Jurong people will get it first. The rest of the region will get alerted and have time to make remedy actions. So, it is good that Jurong has more people living there as "litmus test", and help to cleanse the air there, and be the early warning system for the rest of the people living far away from Jurong. :beats-me-man:
erm, u mean to say the jurong folks are like canaries sent into a coal mine....
wahhh, read the articles so scary.
now i realise why insurance premiums the same in singapore.
it is not because Jurong/Tuas is as safe as the rest of singapore.
it is because the rest of singapore is as dangerous as Jurong/Tuas. :eek:
the east have changi airport.
the west have heavy industries.
the north have pasir gudang.
the south have the ships.
then i realise, more people has their lives cut short due poverty/hunger rather than from pollution.
onward material progress for singapore.
Cremation and it's effects
http://faculty.virginia.edu/metals/cases/huffman1.html
http://www.ejnet.org/crematoria/
Health Studies
This 2003 study shows that the risk of stillbirth was 4% higher and the risk of the life threatening brain abnormality anencephalus was 5% higher among babies whose mothers lived near to crematoria. More details here.
Canada's Interior Health Authority did a literature review and "concluded that fumes from crematoriums are potentially harmful and that they should not be located close to a residential area." It also "found that particulate matter, which can be inhaled deep into lung tissue, is the chief threat." (see "Put a lid on fumes from cremation," Vancouver Sun, 5/12/2006)
Public Health Impact of Crematoria (report by Chief Medical Officer of British Columbia outlining mercury, dioxin, particulate matter and other emissions concerns; report states that crematoria could have a negative impact on health and should not be located in residential neighborhoods)
I didn't know the above... Used to be staying at bishan st25... Also have clover by the park... Wah lau... Everywhere also got problem... Stay sentosa or reflection also kana refinery... Stay orchard kana car fumes... Stay north kana Pasir Guangzhou or something.... Hmmmm... Stay at home when retired and on air purifier... Hahahahahahah
NEA should have regulations in place to protect the population at large. remember, burial would be more prevalent in a land sparse country, like canada, than cremation. hence, it may mean that such countries do not have strict safety regulations.
plus, dioxin from cremation?!?!? unless the deceased died of dioxin poisoning and had dioxins accumulated in his organs, how on earth would cremation cause dioxin fumes to be emitted?!?!?!?! sounds bogus
stalingrad
11-10-13, 09:32
erm, u mean to say the jurong folks are like canaries sent into a coal mine....
No, he meant that Jurong people are acting as air filters. After they have sucked dirty, toxic chemicals out of the air, the air would be clean and pristine enough for him and his friends to breathe at Orchard.
That is how stupid he is.
wahhh, read the articles so scary.
now i realise why insurance premiums the same in singapore.
it is not because Jurong/Tuas is as safe as the rest of singapore.
it is because the rest of singapore is as dangerous as Jurong/Tuas. :eek:
the east have changi airport.
the west have heavy industries.
the north have pasir gudang.
the south have the ships.
then i realise, more people has their lives cut short due poverty/hunger rather than from pollution.
onward material progress for singapore.
as for the moron's post on plane fumes, it isn't about planes taking off or landing - i.e. not pollution from the airport.
Quoting from the same source the moron posted,
"When a plane flies at cruising altitude above the clouds, wind currents can whisk the pollution far away so that prevailing winds cause the pollution to fall from the sky about 6,000 miles (10,000 kilometers) to the east of the plane's route"
that's why the kam gong is who he is - never read or misuse stats and cook up rubbish to back his claims
dont know if fake "facts" or not.
http://www.areco.org/pollute.htm
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The United Nations has released a report stating that aviation is responsible for over half of the pollution caused by transportation. In comparison to ground transportation with its millions upon millions of vehicles, there are surprisingly few aircraft (34,444 US-civil, 5,778 US-commercial). Thus, one can only imagine the massive amounts of pollution they emit. A loaded jumbo 747, for instance, uses tens of thousands of pounds of fuel on merely take-off.
Back to top (http://www.areco.org/pollute.htm#TOP)
http://www.areco.org/fuelfire.gif
Some Facts About Fuel
One aircraft take-off can burn thousands of pounds of fuel.
Air pollution levels from one 747 takeoff is similar to setting the local gas station on fire and then flying it over your head!
The pollution from just one, two-minute 747 takeoff is equal to operating 2.4 million lawnmowers simultaneously. That's four states worth!"
bro hopeful, in Indo is the premium determined if one lives in Jakarta (which is the most polluted) or say Surabaya???
I think insurance do not take that into account, so cannot use your example for determination of pollution... hahahahaha
actually i do not see why pple making such a big fuss out of this.
i think talking on the mobile phone (next to your ear) will probably kill you faster than breathing in jurong air for 1 day, no?
btw i always use a handsfree or put on speaker mode becoz i get a headache from putting the phone near my ear.
dont know if fake "facts" or not.
http://www.areco.org/pollute.htm
"
The United Nations has released a report stating that aviation is responsible for over half of the pollution caused by transportation. In comparison to ground transportation with its millions upon millions of vehicles, there are surprisingly few aircraft (34,444 US-civil, 5,778 US-commercial). Thus, one can only imagine the massive amounts of pollution they emit. A loaded jumbo 747, for instance, uses tens of thousands of pounds of fuel on merely take-off.
Back to top (http://www.areco.org/pollute.htm#TOP)
http://www.areco.org/fuelfire.gif
Some Facts About Fuel
One aircraft take-off can burn thousands of pounds of fuel.
Air pollution levels from one 747 takeoff is similar to setting the local gas station on fire and then flying it over your head!
The pollution from just one, two-minute 747 takeoff is equal to operating 2.4 million lawnmowers simultaneously. That's four states worth!"
it's just facts and i'm not disputing that there are pollutants. the dangerous thing is to link facts with health outcomes, when the study itself is not powered to do that.
e.g. rare gases in the earth are radioactive and are toxic. does this mean that everytime capitaland or fareast go about tearing up the earth, it causes radiation sickness in the vicinity? unlikely
similarly, airplanes burn off tons of fuel and there are tons of pollutants. however, you are likely to be safe since takeoff is at a low height and we don't have hurricanes or galestorms to take these pollutants into the nearby residential areas. however, if you are standing beside an airplane turbine during takeoff, you can be pretty sure about getting a good dose of pollutants.
Speaking at the launch of Pasir Panjang Terminal Phases 3 and 4 by PSA Singapore, Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew said the development of Tuas Port will free up prime land, which the city terminals at Tanjong Pagar, Keppel and Pulau Brani are currently occupying, for future redevelopment.
the key point to note in tis article is tat govt regarded Tuas/Jurong/Boon Lay region as a core region for refineries/factories/incinerators in an attempt to free up space in wat they regarded as "prime".
the key point to note in tis article is tat govt regarded Tuas/Jurong/Boon Lay region as a core region for refineries/factories/incinerators in an attempt to free up space in wat they regarded as "prime".
But Tanjong Pagar, Brani, Keppel, Pasir Panjang all so near to Bukom with the oil refinery leh.... Even Sentosa so near Bukom....
If you go Keppel, you can see the chimney leh...
Hahahahaha
But Tanjong Pagar, Brani, Keppel, Pasir Panjang all so near to Bukom with the oil refinery leh.... Even Sentosa so near Bukom....
If you go Keppel, you can see the chimney leh...
Hahahahaha
Thats why EAST is still the bestest.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 10:18
But Tanjong Pagar, Brani, Keppel, Pasir Panjang all so near to Bukom with the oil refinery leh.... Even Sentosa so near Bukom....
If you go Keppel, you can see the chimney leh...
Hahahahaha
Singapore is so small, there is little difference in air quality across the island. I figure those living in Central will live probably one or two weeks longer than those in Jurong if indeed air quality is a problem in Jurong.
But Tanjong Pagar, Brani, Keppel, Pasir Panjang all so near to Bukom with the oil refinery leh.... Even Sentosa so near Bukom....
If you go Keppel, you can see the chimney leh...
Hahahahaha
Look at the size of Pulau Bukom (in red) vs Jurong Island (NW of Bukom)...also note the distance from the shoreline of Bukom vs Jurong Isalnd.
Only Shell is on Bukom. The rest of the oil majors (including BP) and other chemical companies are located on Jurong Island.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Pulau_Bukum_locator_map.png
But Tanjong Pagar, Brani, Keppel, Pasir Panjang all so near to Bukom with the oil refinery leh.... Even Sentosa so near Bukom....
If you go Keppel, you can see the chimney leh...
Hahahahaha
Im not in here to defend y East/Central shd has lesser pollution. Neither am I interested to prove tat air pollution in the West is higher than other places.
Im merely highlighting the intent of the govt as to how they deemed a piece of land.
Cos there r many ppl who mistakenly assumed tat, juz becos govt wanna build a Jewel @ airport, shift OFS to Pasir Ris, develop JLD etc, these places will replace CCR in terms of rental demands.
bro hopeful, in Indo is the premium determined if one lives in Jakarta (which is the most polluted) or say Surabaya???
I think insurance do not take that into account, so cannot use your example for determination of pollution... hahahahaha
I think everybody will agree that pollution will damage the body and bring about premature death and health problems so it will be reflect in health problems and life spans of the population.
Only when there is measurable difference (according to actuarist in insurance industries) in health problems and lifespans, then will insurance companies have difference premiums.
the fact that premiums are the same means health problems and lifespans are the same for people of
1) surabaya vs jakarta.
2) western vs eastern singapore.
My premises for insurance companies are
1) no cross subsidies.
2) profit-making.
if any of these 2 assumption are wrong, then of course we cannot assume lifespan and health are the same.
1) the healthy eastern singapore subsidise the unhealthy western singapore.
2) if not profit-making, then they are doing a CSR for the unhealthy western singapore.
so are insurance companies
a) profit-making?
b) practise cross subsidies across different areas?
Because it is done on a country basis... The address on the ID/IC is not a confirmed fact that the individual resides in that location on a permanent basis and thus cannot be taken into account....
That's my believe... If premium really based on location, I will buy a unit which is off jakarta and cheaper and use that address to get lower premium... hahahahaha;)
I think everybody will agree that pollution will damage the body and bring about premature death and health problems so it will be reflect in health problems and life spans of the population.
Only when there is measurable difference (according to actuarist in insurance industries) in health problems and lifespans, then will insurance companies have difference premiums.
the fact that premiums are the same means health problems and lifespans are the same for people of
1) surabaya vs jakarta.
2) western vs eastern singapore.
My premises for insurance companies are
1) no cross subsidies.
2) profit-making.
if any of these 2 assumption are wrong, then of course we cannot assume lifespan and health are the same.
1) the healthy eastern singapore subsidise the unhealthy western singapore.
2) if not profit-making, then they are doing a CSR for the unhealthy western singapore.
so are insurance companies
a) profit-making?
b) practise cross subsidies across different areas?
I think everybody will agree that pollution will damage the body and bring about premature death and health problems so it will be reflect in health problems and life spans of the population.
Only when there is measurable difference (according to actuarist in insurance industries) in health problems and lifespans, then will insurance companies have difference premiums.
the fact that premiums are the same means health problems and lifespans are the same for people of
1) surabaya vs jakarta.
2) western vs eastern singapore.
My premises for insurance companies are
1) no cross subsidies.
2) profit-making.
if any of these 2 assumption are wrong, then of course we cannot assume lifespan and health are the same.
1) the healthy eastern singapore subsidise the unhealthy western singapore.
2) if not profit-making, then they are doing a CSR for the unhealthy western singapore.
so are insurance companies
a) profit-making?
b) practise cross subsidies across different areas?
insurance aside and on the topic of pollution, i think there's higher risk than being near to a smoker or stationary vehicles with engines running.
smokers should receive reduced subsidies if they consume public health resources for smoking-related ailments!!
I think everybody will agree that pollution will damage the body and bring about premature death and health problems so it will be reflect in health problems and life spans of the population.
Only when there is measurable difference (according to actuarist in insurance industries) in health problems and lifespans, then will insurance companies have difference premiums.
the fact that premiums are the same means health problems and lifespans are the same for people of
1) surabaya vs jakarta.
2) western vs eastern singapore.
My premises for insurance companies are
1) no cross subsidies.
2) profit-making.
if any of these 2 assumption are wrong, then of course we cannot assume lifespan and health are the same.
1) the healthy eastern singapore subsidise the unhealthy western singapore.
2) if not profit-making, then they are doing a CSR for the unhealthy western singapore.
so are insurance companies
a) profit-making?
b) practise cross subsidies across different areas?
Setting insurance premiums is a very involved process based on life expectancy tables and mortality rates collated from statistics over a very long time frame.
Jurong Island was only officially opened in 2000 and a good proportion of the heavy industries in Tuas are less than 20 yrs old.
It is unlikely that the current premiums have yet to take into account any ill effects (if any). Wait for another 20 to 30 yrs of data to be collected. Even so, insurance companies depend on a lot of other factors (like occupation, gender, habits etc) rather than locale to adjust their premiums so your 'theory' may not hold water.
Because it is done on a country basis... The address on the ID/IC is not a confirmed fact that the individual resides in that location on a permanent basis and thus cannot be taken into account....
That's my believe... If premium really based on location, I will buy a unit which is off jakarta and cheaper and use that address to get lower premium... hahahahaha;)
that means lifespan the same lar :)
All this pollution talk in Singapore reminds of me a joke.
There is this a village near to the Poland-Russia borders. Sometimes they belong to Russia, sometimes they belong to Poland. After peace have arrived, the surveyors come to mark the borders.
Once they finished their job, the anxious villagers asked the surveyors whether they belong to Russia or Poland. The surveyors replied that they lived in Poland. The villagers were ectastic. "Woo hoo, we don't need to experience the terrible Russian winters anymore" :)
Similarly, the people who stay in Buona Vista and eastwards are very happy also. "Woo hoo, we dont need to experience the terrible Jurong Tuas pollution also" :)
insurance aside and on the topic of pollution, i think there's higher risk than being near to a smoker or stationary vehicles with engines running.
smokers should receive reduced subsidies if they consume public health resources for smoking-related ailments!!
that's why they pay sin taxes :)
and insurance companies do ask whether they smoke or not.
that's why they pay sin taxes :)
and insurance companies do ask whether they smoke or not.
that's payment to insurance companies. i'm talking about public healthcare consumption. and they should be flogged for sharing 2nd hand smoke indiscriminately - walking and smoking, smoking at bus stops, smoking outside mrt stations, smoking wherever they shouldn't be smoking. and for the record, i'm all for the idea to turn residential estates into no-smoking zones
in fact, govt should ban smoking (yes, i'm that anal about smoking)
Setting insurance premiums is a very involved process based on life expectancy tables and mortality rates collated from statistics over a very long time frame.
Jurong Island was only officially opened in 2000 and a good proportion of the heavy industries in Tuas are less than 20 yrs old.
It is unlikely that the current premiums have yet to take into account any ill effects (if any). Wait for another 20 to 30 yrs of data to be collected. Even so, insurance companies depend on a lot of other factors (like occupation, gender, habits etc) rather than locale to adjust their premiums so your 'theory' may not hold water.
yes, that precisely what i mean. Pollution premium based on locality is insignificant. a smoker is the East will have a higher life and health premium versus a non-smoker in the West.
Hahahahaha
Damn good one...
Just like edge of Newton to Scott road..
Just a few hundred meters and the price difference is scary
that means lifespan the same lar :)
All this pollution talk in Singapore reminds of me a joke.
There is this a village near to the Poland-Russia borders. Sometimes they belong to Russia, sometimes they belong to Poland. After peace have arrived, the surveyors come to mark the borders.
Once they finished their job, the anxious villagers asked the surveyors whether they belong to Russia or Poland. The surveyors replied that they lived in Poland. The villagers were ectastic. "Woo hoo, we don't need to experience the terrible Russian winters anymore" :)
Similarly, the people who stay in Buona Vista and eastwards are very happy also. "Woo hoo, we dont need to experience the terrible Jurong Tuas pollution also" :)
Did someone mentioned that Tuas port will be about berth 1000 shipping vessel at one time? LOL
1000 x 300m (average length) = 300,000m or 300km in length.
The last I check Singapore is around 42km in length, so where the hell are we are going to have such as long coast line to berth 1000 shipping vessel at Tuas.
If you want to know where to park all these vessels, just go down to east coast beach and look southward. ..
Just a friendly reminder, there is a purpose for my signature.. so be careful who you are talking to....LOL
stalingrad
11-10-13, 11:11
Did someone mentioned that Tuas port will be about berth 1000 shipping vessel at one time? LOL
1000 x 300m (average length) = 300,000m or 300km in length.
The last I check Singapore is around 42km in length, so where the hell are we are going to have such as long coast line to berth 1000 shipping vessel at Tuas.
If you want to know where to park all these vessels, just go down to east coast beach and look southward. ..
Just a friendly reminder, there is a purpose for my signature.. LOL
Best rusty tanker view in the world. It belongs to those at East Coast Park. And people actually catch fish there and eat them.
Just a friendly reminder, there is a purpose for my signature.. so be careful who you are talking to....LOL
lol, not to worry ... I suppose no one here will doubt yr intelligence level & resort to arguing wif u :D
Did someone mentioned that Tuas port will be about berth 1000 shipping vessel at one time? LOL
1000 x 300m (average length) = 300,000m or 300km in length.
The last I check Singapore is around 42km in length, so where the hell are we are going to have such as long coast line to berth 1000 shipping vessel at Tuas.
If you want to know where to park all these vessels, just go down to east coast beach and look southward. ..
Just a friendly reminder, there is a purpose for my signature.. so be careful who you are talking to....LOL
WAHAHAHAHAHA Own Goal Big Time!!!!!!!
do they have to be lined up in a single file, length-wise? kam gong, it's already in the works to shift all port activities to Tuas - not some masterplan.
Stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
Did someone mentioned that Tuas port will be about berth 1000 shipping vessel at one time? LOL
1000 x 300m (average length) = 300,000m or 300km in length.
The last I check Singapore is around 42km in length, so where the hell are we are going to have such as long coast line to berth 1000 shipping vessel at Tuas.
If you want to know where to park all these vessels, just go down to east coast beach and look southward. ..
Just a friendly reminder, there is a purpose for my signature.. LOL
http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/pdf/infokit2.pdf
"At any one time, there are about 1,000 ships in our port."
yes, that precisely what i mean. Pollution premium based on locality is insignificant. a smoker is the East will have a higher life and health premium versus a non-smoker in the West.
You didn't get my point. The locale (heavy industries effect, if any) is too recent to be included in any premiums now. You will have to wait for many years of data to be collated before it is reflected in the life expectancy tables and mortality rates. Hence, just because locales does not figure prominently in premiums now may not mean that it will not be manifested many years later. By then, it may be too late.
http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/pdf/infokit2.pdf
"At any one time, there are about 1,000 ships in our port."
That depends where the port starts and end. From google earth you can already see where the vessel queue starts
Mr A is a heavy smoker who stay wif his family.
All in his family will get to inhale 2nd hand smoke but who got the most?
Most likely will be Mrs A who sleep in the same room as him; she has the most exposure to the smoke being spending more time with him.
Will his wife die of lung cancer immediately as a result of overdose of 2nd hand smoke? :tsk-tsk:
Compare with their next door neighbour, Mrs X whose husband is a non smoker. Occasionally she got some 2nd hand smoke from Mr A's house when the wind is blowing the smoke towards them.
After 20 yrs, who will be more susceptible to lung cancer? Mrs A or Mrs X?
Mr A is a heavy smoker who stay wif his family.
All in his family will get to inhale 2nd hand smoke but who got the most?
Most likely will be Mrs A who sleep in the same room as him; she has the most exposure to the smoke being spending more time with him.
Will his wife die of lung cancer immediately as a result of overdose of 2nd hand smoke? :tsk-tsk:
Compare with their next door neighbour, Mrs X whose husband is a non smoker. Occasionally she got some 2nd hand smoke from Mr A's house when the wind is blowing the smoke towards them.
After 20 yrs, who will be more susceptible to lung cancer? Mrs A or Mrs X?
can you ask your insurance agent whose life and health premium is higher?
can you ask your insurance agent whose life and health premium is higher?
wonder how much does it cost to insure half beast half freak.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 11:40
wonder how much does it cost to insure half beast half freak.
What bothers me is not his handle. It is that picture/video with him keeping turning his head, like he was ready to spit into his spit toon. I get dizzy by just looking at it.
What bothers me is not his handle. It is that picture/video with him keeping turning his head, like he was ready to spit into his spit toon. I get dizzy by just looking at it.
gd ...
tat means I dun nid to throw u some unhealthy gases to make u giddy, hahaha!
That depends where the port starts and end. From google earth you can already see where the vessel queue starts
And the focal point where all these ships will be heading to load and unload will be where? According to our maritime authority, how many ships are at our ports at any one time?
Can you enlighten us where ALL the container ports in Singapore will be consolidated at in the future?
Interesting article
http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/ports1/overview.asp
Excerpt
"
Marine ports in the United States are major hubs of economic activity and major sources of pollution. Enormous ships with engines running on the dirtiest fuel available, thousands of diesel truck visits per day, mile-long trains with diesel locomotives hauling cargo, and other polluting equipment and activities at marine ports cause an array of environmental impacts that can seriously affect local communities and the environment. These impacts range from increased risk of illness, such as respiratory disease or cancer, to increases in regional smog, contamination of water, and the blight of local communities and public lands."
But the article someone posted below is even more scary
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html
Christian Eyde Moller, boss of the DK shipping company in Rotterdam, recently described this as ‘just waste oil, basically what is left over after all the cleaner fuels have been extracted from crude oil. It’s tar, the same as asphalt. It’s the cheapest and dirtiest fuel in the world’.
Bunker fuel is also thick with sulphur. IMO rules allow ships to burn fuel containing up to 4.5 per cent sulphur. That is 4,500 times more than is allowed in car fuel in the European Union. The sulphur comes out of ship funnels as tiny particles, and it is these that get deep into lungs.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 11:53
And the focal point where all these ships will be heading to load and unload will be where? According to our maritime authority, how many ships are at our ports at any one time?
Can you enlighten us where ALL the container ports in Singapore will be consolidated at?
Interesting article
http://www.nrdc.org/air/pollution/ports1/overview.asp
Excerpt
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Marine ports in the United States are major hubs of economic activity and major sources of pollution. Enormous ships with engines running on the dirtiest fuel available, thousands of diesel truck visits per day, mile-long trains with diesel locomotives hauling cargo, and other polluting equipment and activities at marine ports cause an array of environmental impacts that can seriously affect local communities and the environment. These impacts range from increased risk of illness, such as respiratory disease or cancer, to increases in regional smog, contamination of water, and the blight of local communities and public lands."
But the article someone posted below is even more scary
Christian Eyde Moller, boss of the DK shipping company in Rotterdam, recently described this as ‘just waste oil, basically what is left over after all the cleaner fuels have been extracted from crude oil. It’s tar, the same as asphalt. It’s the cheapest and dirtiest fuel in the world’.
Bunker fuel is also thick with sulphur. IMO rules allow ships to burn fuel containing up to 4.5 per cent sulphur. That is 4,500 times more than is allowed in car fuel in the European Union. The sulphur comes out of ship funnels as tiny particles, and it is these that get deep into lungs.
False assumption. The ships spend more time waiting to upload or unload than they spend actually uploading or unloading. That means every stretch of the southern coastline will be crowded with ships and every part of Singapore is affected by the foul air to roughly the same extent.
Can someone please show us exactly where the 1000 vessel are parked along Singapore coast line.
Can someone tell us, after PSA consolidate to Tuas, where the 1000++ vessel is going to park along Singapore coast line.
One of the oldest port in Singapore is Keppel and Brani and the distant from Keppel to Orchard is around 3.5km, while Tuas port to the nearest residential estate in Jurong is around 12km.
So can someone tell us what sort of health effect shipping port has on people living in central region?
False assumption. The ships spend more time waiting to upload or unload than they spend actually uploading or unloading. That means every stretch of the southern coastline will be crowded with ships and every part of Singapore is affected by the foul air to roughly the same extent.
from PSA website
http://www.singaporepsa.com/citos.php
excerpt
"On a typical day, 60 vessels of different sizes call at our port. Although a high number of them arrive out of schedule, our berth planning system allows most of them to be berthed on arrival.
Planning begins 72 hours before the ship arrives, when the shipping line applies for a berth and sends ship stowage and connection instructions to PSA through PORTNET®."
Those ships that you see waiting at coastline are probably waiting to be re-supplied with provisions etc and will be anchored and have their engines off.
In any case, now that plans are already underway to shift ALL container ports to Tuas, my gut feel is that the holding area for ships waiting to be re-supplied will be shifted more west.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 12:07
from PSA website
http://www.singaporepsa.com/citos.php
excerpt
"On a typical day, 60 vessels of different sizes call at our port. Although a high number of them arrive out of schedule, our berth planning system allows most of them to be berthed on arrival.
Planning begins 72 hours before the ship arrives, when the shipping line applies for a berth and sends ship stowage and connection instructions to PSA through PORTNET®."
Those ships that you see waiting at coastline are probably waiting to be re-supplied with provisions etc and will be anchored and have their engines off.
In any case, now that plans are already underway to shift ALL container ports to Tuas, my gut feel is that the holding area for ships waiting to be re-supplied will be shifted more west.
But all the ships will have their engines switched off after being berthed. What is the problem then? Besides, they will be 12 km away from Jurong. They will be closer to CBD on their approach to Tuas, and sew the seeds of you know what to you and Teddy?
But all the ships will have their engines switched off after being berthed. What is the problem then? Besides, they will be 12 km away from Jurong. They will be closer to CBD on their approach to Tuas, and sew the seeds of you know what to you and Teddy?
The engines are running for essential services like lighting, A/C etc.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 12:26
The engines are running for essential services like lighting, A/C etc.
But they will be doing the same thing off the coast of CBD while waiting to be berthed.
The engines are running for essential services like lighting, A/C etc.
Vessel runs on auxiliary engines at berth. There are also plan for ships to turn to port electric power source for cut down on emission.
But all the ships will have their engines switched off after being berthed. What is the problem then? Besides, they will be 12 km away from Jurong. They will be closer to CBD on their approach to Tuas, and sew the seeds of you know what to you and Teddy?
Read excerpt below :
"KIRK SIEGLER, BYLINE: Shipping is a dirty business and it's hard to regulate. Ships register in distant countries, they burn dirty bunker fuel thousands of miles off the coasts. And when they get into port, these massive vessels that are four football fields long, can't just shut down when they unload their cargo for three days. See, aboard its more floating city than ship, with plumbing systems, lights, computers, climate-controlled containers.
RENE MOILANEN: And typically they're running their auxiliary engines that entire time. It's essentially like leaving a car idling in front of your driveway."
Good luck. I suggest you take a vacation during the South-west monsoon season when the Tuas port come into realization.
Can those who are expert in maritime pollution please answer to my questions leh. wait until neck long long liao.
Can someone please show us exactly where the 1000 vessel are parked along Singapore coast line.
Can someone tell us, after PSA consolidate to Tuas, where the 1000++ vessel is going to park along Singapore coast line.
One of the oldest port in Singapore is Keppel and Brani and the distant from Keppel to Orchard is around 3.5km, while Tuas port to the nearest residential estate in Jurong is around 12km.
So can someone tell us what sort of health effect shipping port has on people living in central region?
stalingrad
11-10-13, 12:37
Read excerpt below :
"KIRK SIEGLER, BYLINE: Shipping is a dirty business and it's hard to regulate. Ships register in distant countries, they burn dirty bunker fuel thousands of miles off the coasts. And when they get into port, these massive vessels that are four football fields long, can't just shut down when they unload their cargo for three days. See, aboard its more floating city than ship, with plumbing systems, lights, computers, climate-controlled containers.
RENE MOILANEN: And typically they're running their auxiliary engines that entire time. It's essentially like leaving a car idling in front of your driveway."
Good luck. I suggest you take a vacation during the South-west monsoon season.
So, those ships idling off the coast ECP are also carriers of cancer too.
clemdale24
11-10-13, 12:39
So, those ships idling off the coast ECP are also carriers of cancer too.
Bottomline is: Jurong is MORE POLLUTED THAN THE REST OF SINGAPORE.
Learn to face the facts. get real
Bottomline is: Jurong is MORE POLLUTED THAN THE REST OF SINGAPORE.
Learn to face the facts. get real
by how much?
Bottomline is: Jurong is MORE POLLUTED THAN THE REST OF SINGAPORE.
Learn to face the facts. get real
Where are the facts??? I am not vested in Jurong btw... And I looking at the facts????
Are there history in the world on the effects of pollution near refinery and a lower mortality rate... To me, this are facts.... Refinery biz has been around for so long.... So if it really causes so much issue, it will be stopped what...
The reason why it is in an island is the fear of an explosion....
So, those ships idling off the coast ECP are also carriers of cancer too.
Qn. 1
How many do you count at coastline compared to the 1000 at our port at any one time?
Just because there are 1000 at our port doesn't mean that they all linger at our coastline. A lot of them are berthed despite being out schedule which means they don't have to wait long. Read the two quotes below in conjuction and draw your inference.
Here are some quick interesting and not very well-known facts about Maritime Singapore.
At any one time, there are about 1,000 vessels in the Singapore port.
Every 2-3 minutes, a ship arrives or leaves Singapore.
from PSA website
http://www.singaporepsa.com/citos.php
excerpt
"On a typical day, 60 vessels of different sizes call at our port. Although a high number of them arrive out of schedule, our berth planning system allows most of them to be berthed on arrival.
Planning begins 72 hours before the ship arrives, when the shipping line applies for a berth and sends ship stowage and connection instructions to PSA through PORTNET®."
Qn. 2
Will those ships continue to be at East Coast once the ports are moved to Tuas?
stalingrad
11-10-13, 12:47
Bottomline is: Jurong is MORE POLLUTED THAN THE REST OF SINGAPORE.
Learn to face the facts. get real
The bottom line is actually the whole island is equally polluted. The difference between Jurong and Orchard in air quality is so small as to be laughable.
People are advised to live 30 miles or more away from a refinery in the US. To do that in Singapore, you would have to live in Malaysia.
I dont want my children to be insurance agent or work in ship.
Earn no money one, cannot go to condosingapore.com tcss.
The bottom line is actually the whole island is equally polluted. The difference between Jurong and Orchard in air quality is so small as to be laughable.
People are advised to live 30 miles or more away from a refinery in the US. To do that in Singapore, you would have to live in Malaysia.
So would you prefer to live within a mile or two of the refinery or 10 miles away?
stalingrad
11-10-13, 12:52
So would you prefer to live wiithin a mile or two of the refinery or 10 miles away?
That depends on the direction of wind and the velocity. Hamilton is a city in Canada known to have bad pollution. But there is very little industry nearby. Where did the bad air come from? It turns out Hamilton is located where bad air from Ohio valley on the US side lands in Canada.
You get the picture? Go google map and you will see how far Hamilton is from Ohio valley.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 12:56
By the way, if you google map Singapore, you will see that far more ships congregate offshore from ECP and CBD than offshore from Jurong. So if ship pollution is your concern, you should actually live in Jurong.
That depends on the direction of wind and the velocity. Hamilton is a city in Canada known to have bad pollution. But there is very little industry nearby. Where did the bad air come from? It turns out Hamilton is located where bad air from Ohio valley on the US side lands in Canada.
You get the picture?
Let's talk about Singapore then since we all have the following info at hand.
1. Location of refineries/incinerators
2. Prevailing wind direction
(see picture below)
Where would you prefer to live?
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/jurong_zpsd992f1a8.jpg
Wow, the picture above is going to be as famous as r33 ppi chart
Wow, the picture is going to be as famous as r33 ppi chart
Hardly...I neither intend to or hope (no pun intended) to break his record. The difference is :
I use the chart to display facts
He uses it to distort them
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:03
Let's talk about Singapore then since we all have the following info at hand.
1. Location of refineries/incinerators
2. Prevailing wind direction
(see picture below)
Where would you prefer to live?
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/jurong_zpsd992f1a8.jpg
As I said, the smokestacks on Jurong Island are so high, the CBD may actually feel more impact than Jurong. Don't forget that there are refineries in Johor too. CBD is closer to Johor than Jurong.
Wow, the picture above is going to be as famous as r33 ppi chart
Looks like there is a massive vortex sucking air right into the heart of Jurong Gateway. Must be the western dragon farting hot air that causes a low pressure vacuum around jurong lake.. LOL..
Let's talk about Singapore then since we all have the following info at hand.
1. Location of refineries/incinerators
2. Prevailing wind direction
(see picture below)
Where would you prefer to live?
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/jurong_zpsd992f1a8.jpg
throwing this picture wide open...then gonna get outta here :ashamed1:
The south west monsoon does not confined itself only between the 2 black parallel arrow so is the Northest Monsoon to the 2 brown parallel arrow
so if you were to widen the black arrow all the way down to Bukom
you can also target CDB and Istana
As I said, the smokestacks on Jurong Island are so high, the CBD may actually feel more impact than Jurong. Don't forget that there are refineries in Johor tpp. CBD is closer to Johor than Jurong.
You have not answer my question?
Where do you prefer to live now that we all know where the refineries/incinerators all, how tall the smokestacks are etc... PLUS prevailing wind direction
A simple answer will suffice. Just name a district.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:11
You have not answer my question?
Where do you prefer to live now that we all know where the refineries/incinerators all, how tall the smokestacks are etc... PLUS prevailing wind direction
A simple answer will suffice. Just name a district.
The answer I would not live anywhere in Singapore. There are problems everywhere. You live in the North, and you get poisoned by refineries in Johor. You live in the east, you get poison by jet exhaust. You live in the South, you get poisoned by......
throwing this picture wide open...then gonna get outta here :ashamed1:
The south west monsoon does not confined itself only between the 2 black parallel arrow so is the Northest Monsoon to the 2 brown parallel arrow
so if you were to widen the black arrow all the way down to Bukom
you can also target CDB and Istana
This has been addressed in post #2268
Reproduced below:
Look at the size of Pulau Bukom (in red) vs Jurong Island (NW of Bukom)...also note the distance from the shoreline of Bukom vs Jurong Isalnd.
Only Shell is on Bukom. The rest of the oil majors (including BP) and other chemical companies are located on Jurong Island.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Pulau_Bukum_locator_map.png
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:14
This has been addressed in post #2268
Reproduced below:
Look at the size of Pulau Bukom (in red) vs Jurong Island (NW of Bukom)...also note the distance from the shoreline of Bukom vs Jurong Isalnd.
Only Shell is on Bukom. The rest of the oil majors (including BP) and other chemical companies are located on Jurong Island.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Pulau_Bukum_locator_map.png
But how do you know petrochemical products that Shell produces are not more toxic than those produced by companies on Jurong Island?
The answer I would not live anywhere in Singapore. There are problems everywhere. You live in the North, and you get poisoned by refineries in Johor. You live in the east, you get poison by jet exhaust. You live in the South, you get poisoned by......
Before we start going intergalatic, let me narrow it down for you:
Given a choice of living anywhere Singapore, and knowing where all the negative elements are and prevailing wind direction, where would you prefer to live.
Yes...Yes...Singapore is all bad but where is the best of the worst?
Pray enlighten us.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:17
The point is you take risk living anywhere in Singapore. It is just a red dot. Talking about certain locations having greater risk is just silly. If you really worry about it, move to Canada or New Zealand.
What does the dead buried in CCK cemetery ground has got to do with air pollution in Jurong?
And why is Mandai Crematorium, at around 12km away, a concern for Jurong only, when 12km in other directions will bring your to Tampines and CCR? :D
And if Mandai crematorium affects that quality of air in Jurong, what about the other 2 private crematorium located in Bishan, which is around 6km from Orchard Road?
FACTS? I guess depends how you see it..:)
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:19
Before we start going intergalatic, let me narrow it down for you:
Given a choice of living anywhere Singapore, and knowing where all the negative elements are and prevailing wind direction, where would you prefer to live.
Yes...Yes...Singapore is all bad but where is the best of the worst?
Pray enlighten us.
Honestly, I can't think of a place that I want to live in here. Not one.
I would live on Sentosa if Singapore has no tourists, no industries, no ports and and no airports. And if Indonesia weren't so close.
But how do you know petrochemical products that Shell produces are not more toxic than those produced by companies on Jurong Island?
Btw,
Bukom refinery production -
Pulau Bukom Manufacturing Site (Bukom) is the largest Shell refinery globally in terms of crude distillation capacity (500,000 barrels per day).
Jurong Island
Jurong Island's refineries process 1,300,000 barrels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_(volume)#Oil_barrel) (210,000 m3) of crude oil per day
This not counting all the other heavy chemical plants on Jurong Island.
If one wishes to talk about pollution within a radius of 12km, then I think we should also look at other district with 12km radius. from East Coast, 12km up north, you will have heavy industry, petrol chemical factories and refinery in Pasir Gudang.
So I guess pollution air from Malaysia is less potent? :D
Honestly, I can't think of a place that I want to live in here. Not one.
Let me break it down in even more simple terms
I am saying if you had no choice to relocate out of Singapore and had a choice to settle anywhere in Singapore for the medium to long term.
Where would be your choice? No need to be specific, just a district would be fine.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:24
If one wishes to talk about pollution within a radius of 12km, then I think we should also look at other district with 12km radius. from East Coast, 12km up north, you will have heavy industry, petrol chemical factories and refinery in Pasir Gudang.
So I guess pollution air from Malaysia is less potent? :D
People told me they feel nauseous at punggol because of the bad air from Malaysia there.
People told me they feel nauseous at punggol because of the bad air from Malaysia there.
wonder how the people living in the east cope of the amount of jet fuel from Changi raining down on them.
wonder how the people living in the east cope of the amount of jet fuel from Changi raining down on them.
Reduced to relying on juet fuel arguments?
Can you enlighten us which is more toxic - jet fuel or marine bunker fuel?
Whatever happened to your other statement on ships?
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html
wonder how the people living in the east cope of the amount of jet fuel from Changi raining down on them.
WAHAHAHAHA!!!! Another Own Goal!!!!
firstly, planes don't fly directly above residential areas; go check out the flight paths.
secondly, gas being gas don't fall from the sky like rain. WAHAAHAHAHAH!!!! kam gong
thirdly, exhaust during takeoff/landing will remain in the vicinity, unless there is a hurricane or galestorm. if so, the concentration will be dispersed amongst the wind
lastly, there is no benzene from jet exhaust but there is benzene derivatives from cracking.
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
Let me break it down in even more simple terms
I am saying if you had no choice to relocate out of Singapore and had a choice to settle anywhere in Singapore for the medium to long term.
Where would be your choice? No need to be specific, just a district would be fine.
Singapore is one of the most liveable countries in the world.
When making comparison, we have to compare A with B.
Not A&B with D.
So comparing Jurong with Tampines/Pasir Ris, Tampines and Pasir Ris are more liveable. Ask anyone generally this true.
Just like Bishan is more liveable (or more people desire to stay there) than Jurong.
If you compare Jurong and Iskandar, then of course Jurong is better.
This is call the Theory of Concentration. A few cannot understand but hopefully most who read these posts can understand why :
Iskandar is less desirable than Jurong less desirable than Clementi/Mt Sinai less desirable than Queenstown less desirable than ....
DKSG
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:36
Reduced to relying on juet fuel arguments?
Can you enlighten us which is more toxic - jet fuel or marine bunker fuel?
Whatever happened to your other statement on ships?
Congratulations. The East has both bunker and jet fuel. It is doubly blessed.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:40
Singapore is one of the most liveable countries in the world.
When making comparison, we have to compare A with B.
Not A&B with D.
So comparing Jurong with Tampines/Pasir Ris, Tampines and Pasir Ris are more liveable. Ask anyone generally this true.
Just like Bishan is more liveable (or more people desire to stay there) than Jurong.
If you compare Jurong and Iskandar, then of course Jurong is better.
This is call the Theory of Concentration. A few cannot understand but hopefully most who read these posts can understand why :
Iskandar is less desirable than Jurong less desirable than Clementi/Mt Sinai less desirable than Queenstown less desirable than ....
DKSG
I would never live at Bishan. I get dizzy by living near a crematorium. I would rather sleep next to an oil tanker than a dead body.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:43
Singapore is one of the most liveable countries in the world.
When making comparison, we have to compare A with B.
Not A&B with D.
So comparing Jurong with Tampines/Pasir Ris, Tampines and Pasir Ris are more liveable. Ask anyone generally this true.
Just like Bishan is more liveable (or more people desire to stay there) than Jurong.
If you compare Jurong and Iskandar, then of course Jurong is better.
This is call the Theory of Concentration. A few cannot understand but hopefully most who read these posts can understand why :
Iskandar is less desirable than Jurong less desirable than Clementi/Mt Sinai less desirable than Queenstown less desirable than ....
DKSG
Most livable in Asia. That is true. but the goal post is too low I am afraid.
Ok guys, check this out
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/719/sxq8.jpg
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:47
Ok guys, check this out
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/719/sxq8.jpg
R33 farting is the worst. Run like hell.
Congratulations. The East has both bunker and jet fuel. It is doubly blessed.
So it looks like the east is not for you then. You still haven't answered my question after I went to the trouble of simplifying it for you :
Let me break it down in even more simple terms
I am saying if you had no choice to relocate out of Singapore and had a choice to settle anywhere in Singapore for the medium to long term.
Where would be your choice? No need to be specific, just a district would be fine.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 13:49
So it looks like the east is not for you then. You still haven't answered my question after I went to the trouble of simplifying it for you :
Let me break it down in even more simple terms
I am saying if you had no choice to relocate out of Singapore and had a choice to settle anywhere in Singapore for the medium to long term.
Where would be your choice? No need to be specific, just a district would be fine.
I already told you. Sentosa if Singapore had no industry, no tourism, no proximity to Indonesia.
This has been addressed in post #2268
Reproduced below:
Look at the size of Pulau Bukom (in red) vs Jurong Island (NW of Bukom)...also note the distance from the shoreline of Bukom vs Jurong Isalnd.
Only Shell is on Bukom. The rest of the oil majors (including BP) and other chemical companies are located on Jurong Island.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Pulau_Bukum_locator_map.png
Still scratching my head lei...very unbalance lei :beats-me-man:
just thinking aloud only ....not debating with you
"we should concentrate just on Jurong Island and not on Bukom
and we should dictate the path of the wind by confining her only to between the 2 parallel back arrows drawn ?"
Ok guys, check this out
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/719/sxq8.jpg
WAH!!! someone knows how to use drawing tools!!! CLAP CLAP
doesn't do anything to back up your claims
as for the moron's post on plane fumes, it isn't about planes taking off or landing - i.e. not pollution from or at the airport.
Quoting from the same source the moron posted,
"When a plane flies at cruising altitude above the clouds, wind currents can whisk the pollution far away so that prevailing winds cause the pollution to fall from the sky about 6,000 miles (10,000 kilometers) to the east of the plane's route"
that's why the kam gong is who he is - never read or misuse stats and cook up rubbish to back his claims
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
as for the moron's post on plane fumes, it isn't about planes taking off or landing - i.e. not pollution from or at the airport.
Quoting from the same source the moron posted,
"When a plane flies at cruising altitude above the clouds, wind currents can whisk the pollution far away so that prevailing winds cause the pollution to fall from the sky about 6,000 miles (10,000 kilometers) to the east of the plane's route"
that's why the kam gong is who he is - never read or misuse stats and cook up rubbish to back his claims
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
I hope now you guys can understand why I created my signature.
Perhaps someone need to ask him, how do you land at plane at cruising altitude.. ..LOL
Stall the plane and let it nose dive into Changi?
I would never live at Bishan. I get dizzy by living near a crematorium. I would rather sleep next to an oil tanker than a dead body.
That is the problem.
Property valuation is not determined by ME ME ME ME ME!
It concerns with the general public, strictly speaking, those who can afford to buy a PC.
If 10 person think A is higher value than B, but 1000 people think opposite and is willing to pay more for B than A, then the price of B will be higher than A.
Hmmm ... Another piece of education.
DKSG
stalingrad
11-10-13, 14:04
as for the moron's post on plane fumes, it isn't about planes taking off or landing - i.e. not pollution from or at the airport.
Quoting from the same source the moron posted,
"When a plane flies at cruising altitude above the clouds, wind currents can whisk the pollution far away so that prevailing winds cause the pollution to fall from the sky about 6,000 miles (10,000 kilometers) to the east of the plane's route"
that's why the kam gong is who he is - never read or misuse stats and cook up rubbish to back his claims
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
Now living by airports can give you cancer
by ANDREA PERRY, femail.co.uk
It's not only flying that can damage your health, now people living in communities close to airports are being warned that they could be at greater risk from cancer caused by pollution from jet exhausts.
Plane Truth, a report by Transport 2000 says that people and the environment face serious threats from the rapidly-growing aviation industry, including more noise and climate change gases.
Airports produce large amounts of toxic emissions that are a threat to human health, including nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds (VOCs).
Research in the United States has linked VOCs generated by SeaTac airport in Chicago to elevated rates of cancer in the vicinity.
Health workers also found high numbers of cases of the brain cancer called glioblastoma. Normally fatal, it ends the life of only one in 25,000 people, but the city of SeaTac which has a population of 23,000, had experienced at least five deaths from the disease.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17419/Now-living-airports-cancer.html#ixzz2hOHbsNbY
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stalingrad
11-10-13, 14:08
That is the problem.
Property valuation is not determined by ME ME ME ME ME!
It concerns with the general public, strictly speaking, those who can afford to buy a PC.
If 10 person think A is higher value than B, but 1000 people think opposite and is willing to pay more for B than A, then the price of B will be higher than A.
Hmmm ... Another piece of education.
DKSG
By the same token, just because you don't like Jurong, it doesn't mean Jurong is not going to take off price wise. Other people would love to own piece of the action.
I hope now you guys can understand why I created my signature.
Perhaps someone need to ask him, how do you land at plane at cruising altitude.. ..LOL
Stall the plane and let it nose dive into Changi?
eh kam gong, go read the article you posted yourself. it talks about pollution at high altitudes. moreover, told you that there are no flight paths over residential area.
secondly, i've already explained that the dispersion of pollutants at low altitude - i.e. limited.
kam gong, don't even understand the stuff that you post.
stupidity and ringo are conjoined twins, you can never find one without the other - Sir A.W.
Troll certainly has a very unique way of reading. Perhaps they doesnt understand the term "cruising altitude" for jet liner.
"When a plane flies at cruising altitude above the clouds, wind currents can whisk the pollution far away so that prevailing winds cause the pollution to fall from the sky about 6,000 miles (10,000 kilometers) to the east of the plane's route"
Now living by airports can give you cancer
by ANDREA PERRY, femail.co.uk
It's not only flying that can damage your health, now people living in communities close to airports are being warned that they could be at greater risk from cancer caused by pollution from jet exhausts.
Plane Truth, a report by Transport 2000 says that people and the environment face serious threats from the rapidly-growing aviation industry, including more noise and climate change gases.
Airports produce large amounts of toxic emissions that are a threat to human health, including nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds (VOCs).
Research in the United States has linked VOCs generated by SeaTac airport in Chicago to elevated rates of cancer in the vicinity.
Health workers also found high numbers of cases of the brain cancer called glioblastoma. Normally fatal, it ends the life of only one in 25,000 people, but the city of SeaTac which has a population of 23,000, had experienced at least five deaths from the disease.
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immediately, i can tell you for sure that your article is rubbish
quoting directly,
"In America researchers, who carried out a study on SeaTac Airport in Chicago found that carbon monoxide registered above federal guidelines and added to the risk of cancer."
How on earth is CO carcinogenic?!?!?! :banghead::banghead::banghead: It causes respiratory and cardovascular ailments for sure, but cancer inducing?!?!?
My advice: please learn to read your own claims, or else it's gonna boomerang and hit you hard in the face
stupidity and ringo are best pals, befriend them at your own risk - Sir A.W.
By the same token, just because you don't like Jurong, it doesn't mean Jurong is not going to take off price wise. Other people would love to own piece of the action.
tink u r totally mistaken.
it is not so much of ppl here dislike Jurong; rather it is more of ppl dun like to pay for overpriced things.
tis principle is applicable for all locations.
if a place is polluted, it will still be popular if the price is cheap. but when it is polluted & expensive, ppl will start comparing ...
hence it is perfectly sensible for potential buyers of Caspian to feel tat it is a gd & worthy buy.
But the same cannot be guaranteed for JG.
Troll certainly has a very unique way of reading. Perhaps they doesnt understand the term "cruising altitude" for jet liner.
"When a plane flies at cruising altitude above the clouds, wind currents can whisk the pollution far away so that prevailing winds cause the pollution to fall from the sky about 6,000 miles (10,000 kilometers) to the east of the plane's route"
kam gong, what it means that the exhaust can be dispersed as far as 10000 kilometers, from the source at cruising altitude.
you mean planes are at cruising altitude at the airport@!? WAHAHAHAHA
when you look at stupidity in the eyes, ringo stares back - Sir A.W.
kam gong, what it means that the exhaust can be dispersed as far as 10000 kilometers, from the source at cruising altitude.
you mean planes are at cruising altitude at the airport@!? WAHAHAHAHA
when you look at stupidity in the eyes, ringo stares back - Sir A.W.
sorry, I cant compete with you at your level.
So whats the pollution at approaching altitude?
So is living near airport good or bad? :D
the score so far for those readers who has not keep track of this epic slug-fest of a thread:
the pro-jurongers seems to have force the anti-jurongers to acknowledge that pollution exists in other parts of singapore.
the stance of the anti-jurongers have shifted from:
A) there is no other pollution in other parts of Singapore
to
B) there are pollutions in other parts of Singapore but pollution in jurong tuas is worst.
the pro-jurongers seems to have hit the limit at B). They are facing fierce resistance to change the viewpoint to C)
C) pollution in singapore is the same everywhere in singapore.
i really dont know which is worse. to be killed by pollution from ships, refineries, airplanes, crematories, incineration plants.
Anybody have an opinion which pollution is the best way to die from?
sorry, I cant compete with you at your level.
So whats the pollution at approaching altitude?
So is living near airport good or bad? :D
from an earlier post:
WAHAHAHAHA!!!! Another Own Goal!!!!
firstly, planes don't fly directly above residential areas; go check out the flight paths.
secondly, gas being gas don't fall from the sky like rain. WAHAAHAHAHAH!!!! kam gong
thirdly, exhaust during takeoff/landing will remain in the vicinity, unless there is a hurricane or galestorm. if so, the concentration will be dispersed amongst the wind
lastly, there is no benzene from jet exhaust but there is benzene derivatives from cracking.
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
the score so far for those readers who has not keep track of this epic slug-fest of a thread:
the pro-jurongers seems to have force the anti-jurongers to acknowledge that pollution exists in other parts of singapore.
the stance of the anti-jurongers have shifted from:
A) there is no other pollution in other parts of Singapore
to
B) there are pollutions in other parts of Singapore but pollution in jurong tuas is worst.
the pro-jurongers seems to have hit the limit at B). They are facing fierce resistance to change the viewpoint to C)
C) pollution in singapore is the same everywhere in singapore.
i really dont know which is worse. to be killed by pollution from ships, refineries, airplanes, crematories, incineration plants.
Anybody have an opinion which pollution is the best way to die from?
since u hv done up such a a gd summary of the progress of the debate on pollution, can u do up a summary of the current loc of all crematories as well?
liddat we can better assess the final level of total pollution emitted.
According to Changi Airport
With more than 6,600 weekly scheduled flights, an aircraft takes off or lands at Changi roughly once every 100 seconds.
That is around 36 / hour 864 / day 315,360 / year.
This is of course excluding PLAB.
When T5 is ready, changi will be able to double its capacity.
So, those living in the east will have to make sure you lungs will have double the capacity.
since u hv done up such a a gd summary of the progress of the debate on pollution, can u do up a summary of the current loc of all crematories as well?
liddat we can better assess the final level of total pollution emitted.
i really dont know, have never experience being cremated before.
have ur insurance agent friend reply you which premium is higher for the wives?
the score so far for those readers who has not keep track of this epic slug-fest of a thread:
the pro-jurongers seems to have force the anti-jurongers to acknowledge that pollution exists in other parts of singapore.
the stance of the anti-jurongers have shifted from:
A) there is no other pollution in other parts of Singapore
to
B) there are pollutions in other parts of Singapore but pollution in jurong tuas is worst.
the pro-jurongers seems to have hit the limit at B). They are facing fierce resistance to change the viewpoint to C)
C) pollution in singapore is the same everywhere in singapore.
i really dont know which is worse. to be killed by pollution from ships, refineries, airplanes, crematories, incineration plants.
Anybody have an opinion which pollution is the best way to die from?
firstly, crematories should never be mentioned in the same breathe as refineries.
secondly, the only culprit, from your list, that emit benzene derivatives - refineries.
as i have said earlier, 2nd hand smoking or vehicle fumes from the roads would be worse
i really dont know, have never experience being cremated before.
have ur insurance agent friend reply you which premium is higher for the wives?
wat made u assumed tat I am insured/hv an insurance agent as friend? :47:
u better go n find out on the crematorium loc else they cannot stop quarelling :banghead:
i really dont know, have never experience being cremated before.
have ur insurance agent friend reply you which premium is higher for the wives?
unless you plan on standing by the exhaust stack of crematoriums, there is minimal risk, even if you are living in bishan.
why? very simple - humans are carbon-based life forms (with trace mineral elements). you don't get benzene or dioxins, as claimed by a bogus article posted by stalingrad, by burning up a carbon-based life form.
from an earlier post:
WAHAHAHAHA!!!! Another Own Goal!!!!
firstly, planes don't fly directly above residential areas; go check out the flight paths.
secondly, gas being gas don't fall from the sky like rain. WAHAAHAHAHAH!!!! kam gong
thirdly, exhaust during takeoff/landing will remain in the vicinity, unless there is a hurricane or galestorm. if so, the concentration will be dispersed amongst the wind
lastly, there is no benzene from jet exhaust but there is benzene derivatives from cracking.
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
Our discussion here has always been about air pollution around the airport, so we really have no idea why do you want to talk about air pollution at cruising altitude, which is some around 33 to 40,000ft above sea level.
Air pollution from airport? nah, we are interested in the air quality around the airport where hundreds of planes fly in and out of changi.
Perhaps the reason for doing so is because you are not aware what exactly is cruising altitude, hence by quoting that, you will think that the pollution will fly 6000 miles away from Changi.
Anyway, this is by no mean an interest or invitation of engaging you in any logical discussion. So please do not get carried away.
Please dont argue for the sake of arguing and you cant win a football match when you are the only person on the pitch.
as for the moron's post on plane fumes, it isn't about planes taking off or landing - i.e. not pollution from or at the airport.
Quoting from the same source the moron posted,
"When a plane flies at cruising altitude above the clouds, wind currents can whisk the pollution far away so that prevailing winds cause the pollution to fall from the sky about 6,000 miles (10,000 kilometers) to the east of the plane's route"
that's why the kam gong is who he is - never read or misuse stats and cook up rubbish to back his claims
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 14:49
unless you plan on standing by the exhaust stack of crematoriums, there is minimal risk, even if you are living in bishan.
why? very simple - humans are carbon-based life forms (with trace mineral elements). you don't get benzene or dioxins, as claimed by a bogus article posted by stalingrad, by burning up a carbon-based life form.
Not me. I did not do it.
firstly, crematories should never be mentioned in the same breathe as refineries.
secondly, the only culprit, from your list, that emit benzene derivatives - refineries.
as i have said earlier, 2nd hand smoking or vehicle fumes from the roads would be worse
2nd hand smoking is everywhere in singapore ma.
vehicle fumes also everywhere in singapore ma.
but each area in singapore seems to have a particular poison.
jurong tuas have refineries, incineration plants
punggol have refineries
east have airplanes.
centre have crematory.
etc
everybody, lets chose your favorite poison
Punggol i think have worst pollution. My (unproven) belief is that pollution standards are not kept in Malaysia. My (unproven) belief is that Singapore have higher standards that are followed.
Our discussion here has always been about air pollution around the airport, so we really have no idea why do you want to talk about air pollution at cruising altitude, which is some around 33 to 40,000ft above sea level.
Perhaps the reason for doing so is because you are not aware what exactly is cruising altitude, hence by quoting that, you will think that the pollution will fly 6000 miles away from Changi.
Anyway, this is by no mean an interest or invitation of engaging you in any logical discussion. So please do not get carried away.
Please dont argue for the sake of arguing and you cant win a football match when you are the only person on the pitch.
WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! how moronic can you get!!!!
This is because you posted an article, not realising it was talking about pollution at high altitudes. Secondly, i've already stated that dispersion of pollutants at ground level is limited, unless there is a strong gale.
Quoting your post:
Plane Exhaust Kills More People Than Plane Crashes
Not me. I did not do it.
It was me.... But you cannot blame me hor... I am no chemist....
Hahahahahahaha
2nd hand smoking is everywhere in singapore ma.
vehicle fumes also everywhere in singapore ma.
but each area in singapore seems to have a particular poison.
jurong tuas have refineries, incineration plants
punggol have refineries
east have airplanes.
centre have crematory.
etc
everybody, lets chose your favorite poison
Punggol i think have worst pollution. My (unproven) belief is that pollution standards are not kept in Malaysia. My (unproven) belief is that Singapore have higher standards that are followed.
just to correct, airplanes and crematorium should never be mentioned at the same breathe as refineries and incinerators, simply for reasons that i've stated repeatedly.
whethere punggol is truly polluted, i won't debate it especially since there is no facts to back up either way.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 14:55
It was me.... But you cannot blame me hor... I am no chemist....
Hahahahahahaha
but the article may be right about human bodies containing lots of PCB.
but the article may be right about human bodies containing lots of PCB.
PCB???? Printed Circuit Board?????
Hahahahahaha
stalingrad
11-10-13, 14:59
The point is there is no difference or little difference in air quality across Singapore. So, let's shut up and debate the next issue.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 15:00
PCB???? Printed Circuit Board?????
Hahahahahaha
Polychlorinated Biphenyls
The point is there is no difference or little difference in air quality across Singapore. So, let's shut up and debate the next issue.
wat is the next issue? :luke-and-darth:
WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! how moronic can you get!!!!
This is because you posted an article, not realising it was talking about pollution at high altitudes. Secondly, i've already stated that dispersion of pollutants at ground level is limited, unless there is a strong gale.
.....
actually if there is little dispersion at ground level, i would be very afraid for the ground handling crew at the airport. for example, the one who fill up the plane fuel tank, the baggage handler etc.
it means as time goes by, the buildup of these dangerous chemicals would reach toxic level.
and if there happenstance to be wind, then the wind will drive these toxic mass. eastcoasters, better cross your fingers that the wind drive the toxic mass to the sea.
if anybody has observed, when cars start up the engine, the smoke is black, when engine is running smoothly, then smoke is clear.
similarly when airplane startup engine and takeoff, the toxins generated are much more than when the plane is high up in the air.
WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! how moronic can you get!!!!
This is because you posted an article, not realising it was talking about pollution at high altitudes. Secondly, i've already stated that dispersion of pollutants at ground level is limited, unless there is a strong gale.
Quoting your post:
Plane Exhaust Kills More People Than Plane Crashes
The article does not dispute the health threat of air pollution caused by jet liner, it just give a different perceptive of air liner pollution on a broader sense. If you wishes to dispute the ill effect of living close to airport, then perhaps you should show us some evidence that air quality around airport is not affected by fumes and unburned fuel coming from the air craft during approach.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17419/Now-living-airports-cancer.html
http://www.aef.org.uk/uploads/PlanningGuide2.pdf
As engines are working inefficiently on approach (as they only use about 30% of the available power) a certain amount of unburnt kerosene is released. These unburnt fuel droplets are a source of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and give rise to odours.
but the article may be right about human bodies containing lots of PCB.
well, bodies may contain traces of PCB. but unless the deceased inhale a full tank of dioxin or drank from a bucket of contaminated water, the amount in any body should be negligible.
hence, i can be sure that article is bogus.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 15:07
actually if there is little dispersion at ground level, i would be very afraid for the ground handling crew at the airport. for example, the one who fill up the plane fuel tank, the baggage handler etc.
it means as time goes by, the buildup of these dangerous chemicals would reach toxic level.
and if there happenstance to be wind, then the wind will drive these toxic mass. eastcoasters, better cross your fingers that the wind drive the toxic mass to the sea.
if anybody has observed, when cars start up the engine, the smoke is black, when engine is running smoothly, then smoke is clear.
similarly when airplane startup engine and takeoff, the toxins generated are much more than when the plane is high up in the air.
I agreed. I was moved by a bus from one terminal at LAX to anther terminal. The bus was driven across the tarmac and weaved between landing aircraft. Exhaust from one aircraft that just landed blew directly into our bus. Many passengers almost vomited and even fainted. That is how foul is was. Basically the airport workers put their lives on the line to earn their puny wages.
The article does not dispute the health threat of air pollution caused by jet liner, it just give a different perceptive of air liner pollution on a broader sense. If you wishes to dispute the ill effect of living close to airport, then perhaps you should show us some evidence that air quality around airport is not affected by fumes and unburned fuel coming from the air craft during approach.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17419/Now-living-airports-cancer.html
http://www.aef.org.uk/uploads/PlanningGuide2.pdf
As engines are working inefficiently on approach (as they only use about 30% of the available power) a certain amount of unburnt kerosene is released. These unburnt fuel droplets are a source of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and give rise to odours.
eh moron, i've never stated that air quality isn't affected by burning of jet fuel. in fact, i stated there will be pollutants, but at ground level the dispersion is limited. it is exactly the same reason why the article postulated that dispersion of pollutants at high altitudes can be up to 10000km.
evidence? just use simple math. since you can't even read article or process logic, i doubt you can handle 2nd order differential equations.
what is the similiarity between stupidity, vampires and ringo? invite them in at your own risk - Sir A.W.
I agreed. I was moved by a bus from one terminal at LAX to anther terminal. The bus was driven across the tarmac and weaved between landing aircraft. Exhaust from one aircraft that just landed blew directly into our bus. Many passengers almost vomited and even fainted. That is how foul is was. Basically the airport workers put their lives on the line to earn their puny wages.
that's classic CO poisoning. and no one sued the airport? moreover, no one and nothing should be behind the jet engines when it is running for obvious safety reasons.
so, why was the bus behind one?
stalingrad
11-10-13, 15:17
eh moron, i've never stated that air quality isn't affected by burning of jet fuel. in fact, i stated there will be pollutants, but at ground level the dispersion is limited. it is exactly the same reason why the article postulated that dispersion of pollutants at high altitudes can be up to 10000km.
evidence? just use simple math. since you can't even read article or process logic, i doubt you can handle 2nd order differential equations.
what is the similiarity between stupidity, vampires and ringo? invite them in at your own risk - Sir A.W.
Ground level dispersion may be limited at a small airport, but it wouldn't be the
case for our gigantic airport.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 15:18
that's classic CO poisoning. and no one sued the airport? moreover, no one and nothing should be behind the jet engines when it is running for obvious safety reasons.
so, why was the bus behind one?
beats me. LAX is a huge airport and passengers' well being is the least of their concerns.
Ground level dispersion may be limited at a small airport, but it wouldn't be the
case for our gigantic airport.
effect of dispersion is not dependent on that, but rather on wind speed, distance, air stability, density
beats me. LAX is a huge airport and passengers' well being is the least of their concerns.
eh?? given the litigatious nature of america, i'm surprise if no one sued the airport for negligence
stalingrad
11-10-13, 15:26
effect of dispersion is not dependent on that, but rather on wind speed, distance, air stability, density
Changi airport probably boasts of highest density of aircraft landing and taking off in one hour than any neighboring countries.
stalingrad
11-10-13, 15:28
eh?? given the litigatious nature of america, i'm surprise if no one sued the airport for negligence
So you are going to get off the bus, collect evidence of abuse and miss your connecting flight? Not us. We just bore and grinned.
well, bodies may contain traces of PCB. but unless the deceased inhale a full tank of dioxin or drank from a bucket of contaminated water, the amount in any body should be negligible.
hence, i can be sure that article is bogus.
Dioxins in feed material (eg coffin) not destroyed during cremation
http://www.epa.sa.gov.au/xstd_files/Air/Other/cremation.pdf
http://no2crematory.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/toxic_emission_from-_crematoriesenv-intl.pdf
http://www.greendepartures.com/cremation-crematory-facts-practices.html
http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/le/dioxin.pdf
I tell.... All this are foreign to me hor.... you want stat, I just provide....But I really have no idea.... Hahahahaha
So you are going to get off the bus, collect evidence of abuse and miss your connecting flight? Not us. We just bore and grinned.
those who vomitted can see a doctor for certification and then sue eh?
Dioxins in feed material (eg coffin) not destroyed during cremation
http://www.epa.sa.gov.au/xstd_files/Air/Other/cremation.pdf
http://no2crematory.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/toxic_emission_from-_crematoriesenv-intl.pdf
http://www.greendepartures.com/cremation-crematory-facts-practices.html
http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/le/dioxin.pdf
I tell.... All this are foreign to me hor.... you want stat, I just provide....But I really have no idea.... Hahahahaha
erm, wah dioxin in the coffin?! that's a bit too much, though not impossible. unless the coffin makers want to die from poisoning, why would coffins contain dioxins? maybe shoddy china-made ones........
stalingrad
11-10-13, 15:36
those who vomitted can see a doctor for certification and then sue eh?
I can't rule out the possibility some of the passengers in the bus did something. But I just got off the bus and ran for the connecting flight. A whiff of bad air in my lungs would not kill me instantly.
Hahahahaha
Damn good one...
Just like edge of Newton to Scott road..
Just a few hundred meters and the price difference is scary
how about difference between lorong 40 geyland and guillemard road
I think we digressed quite a bit.
Our earlier point is :
Owners of the West BEWARE !!!
There are more and more launches selling the $1,6xx-$1,7xx range for MMs!
More launched coming up soon!
DKSG
I dont want my children to be insurance agent or work in ship.
Earn no money one, cannot go to condosingapore.com tcss.
work in offshore.. alot of money leh. altho' cannot tcss in condosignapor.. but alot of money to thrash those who tcss here everyday.
The real truth is that insurance companies don't really care when the effort needed is too much, as long nett they make money.
Example: There are many people/workshops who are over-claiming motor insurance for motor repairs. But did the insurance companies try to maintain fairness by investigating before paying out & penalize these people for over-claiming? The answer is obvious - NO! Because this will jack up their own costs! Then you think they will be Santa Claus? A bigger NO! They increase motor premiums next year! Is it any wonder that the motor premiums have been increasing for past 10 years? no! :scared-2:
Setting insurance premiums is a very involved process based on life expectancy tables and mortality rates collated from statistics over a very long time frame.
Jurong Island was only officially opened in 2000 and a good proportion of the heavy industries in Tuas are less than 20 yrs old.
It is unlikely that the current premiums have yet to take into account any ill effects (if any). Wait for another 20 to 30 yrs of data to be collected. Even so, insurance companies depend on a lot of other factors (like occupation, gender, habits etc) rather than locale to adjust their premiums so your 'theory' may not hold water.
Originally Posted by hopeful View Post
I think everybody will agree that pollution will damage the body and bring about premature death and health problems so it will be reflect in health problems and life spans of the population.
Only when there is measurable difference (according to actuarist in insurance industries) in health problems and lifespans, then will insurance companies have difference premiums.
the fact that premiums are the same means health problems and lifespans are the same for people of
1) surabaya vs jakarta.
2) western vs eastern singapore.
My premises for insurance companies are
1) no cross subsidies.
2) profit-making.
if any of these 2 assumption are wrong, then of course we cannot assume lifespan and health are the same.
1) the healthy eastern singapore subsidise the unhealthy western singapore.
2) if not profit-making, then they are doing a CSR for the unhealthy western singapore.
so are insurance companies
a) profit-making?
b) practise cross subsidies across different areas?
I think we digressed quite a bit.
Our earlier point is :
Owners of the West BEWARE !!!
There are more and more launches selling the $1,6xx-$1,7xx range for MMs!
More launched coming up soon!
DKSG
errr...dont get ur point
u mean pricing increasing from low to 16xx-17xx or dropping from high to 16xx-17xx?
The real truth is that insurance companies don't really care when the effort needed is too much, as long nett they make money.
Example: There are many people/workshops who are over-claiming motor insurance for motor repairs. But did the insurance companies investigate before paying out? The answer is obvious - NO! Then you think they will Santa Claus? A bigger NO! They increase motor premiums next year! Is it any wonder that the motor premiums have been increasing for past 10 years? no! :scared-2:.......
i thought younger drivers pay higher premiums?
i thought younger drivers pay higher premiums?
Yes !!!! Alot !!!!!
If I put my kid as second driver, excess goes up like crazy !!!!!
Those that do a lot of driving also pay more....
more accidents are experienced by younger drivers, hence insurance companies charge higher premiums.
this shows insurance companies are not cross-subsiding.
yet this is contrast to the life and health insurance whereby premiums of westerners and easterners are the same.
so can we still say insurance companies are cross-subsiding?
i dont get teddy's point.
errr...dont get ur point
u mean pricing increasing from low to 16xx-17xx or dropping from high to 16xx-17xx?
Economist just reported that Duo is starting to sell from $1700 psf !!!
Bugis and Jurong same price !
Again someone will start again on the big vs small units blah blah blah ...
But then, can you imagine people paying same psf in Jurong and Bugis !!!
DKSG
Goodness gracious me,
Tough choices now.
Bottom of the top or top of the bottom ;)
Economist just reported that Duo is starting to sell from $1700 psf !!!
Bugis and Jurong same price !
Again someone will start again on the big vs small units blah blah blah ...
But then, can you imagine people paying same psf in Jurong and Bugis !!!
DKSG
Be patience wait for the launch first then you start singing the song. If not, when the boomerang fly back its going to hit your face again.
Can somebody google cancer from refineries? I believe there are many medical articles on this topic, proven! That is why, never live near refineries & incinerators!
from an earlier post:
WAHAHAHAHA!!!! Another Own Goal!!!!
firstly, planes don't fly directly above residential areas; go check out the flight paths.
secondly, gas being gas don't fall from the sky like rain. WAHAAHAHAHAH!!!! kam gong
thirdly, exhaust during takeoff/landing will remain in the vicinity, unless there is a hurricane or galestorm. if so, the concentration will be dispersed amongst the wind
lastly, there is no benzene from jet exhaust but there is benzene derivatives from cracking.
stupidity and ringo are best friends, don't treasure them - Sir A.W.
Can somebody google cancer from refineries? I believe there are many medical articles on this topic, proven! That is why, never live near refineries & incinerators!
This is one of the BASIC property investment obsersation, rule, principle, whatever that you can see from EVERY SINGLE PC in Singapore!
Why do you think the unit nearest to the rubbish bin is always the lowest price ? Because toxic gases, decay fumes, bacteria spread from the source and the further it goes, the more diluted it gets.
Another simple test you can do (which I dont think there is a need to) is to ask people, one unit faces the rubbish bin directly and one unit faces the the park, which one will people buy if they are the same price ? How much premium a person is willing to pay for the park facing (or even nothing facing) unit ?
Some people will tell you, no need talk premium, they will NEVER buy a unit facing the rubbish bin!
DKSG
DKSG
Economist just reported that Duo is starting to sell from $1700 psf !!!
Bugis and Jurong same price !
Again someone will start again on the big vs small units blah blah blah ...
But then, can you imagine people paying same psf in Jurong and Bugis !!!
DKSG
And this is not the only PC launching in the next FOUR weeks!
If Bugis really launched at from $1700, what do you think Alex Residences in Redhill will launch at ?!
Wow! The excitement is really escalating with so many launches coming up !
DKSG
Ok, did it, surprise! So many research articles/reports on "cancer from refineries"!!!
Are you an expert/insider on these?
To be safer from refineries / incinerators etc, please live at least more than 7km from them!!!
Can somebody google cancer from refineries? I believe there are many medical articles on this topic, proven! That is why, never live near refineries & incinerators!
Leukemia: The price of living close to an oil refinery?
Mar 05, 2009
Barregard L, E Holmberg and G Sallsten. 2009. Leukaemia incidence in people living close to an oil refinery. Environmental Research 109:985-990 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.envres.2009.09.001).
Synopsis by Negin P. Martin, Ph. D (http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/Members/nmartin)
Swedish scientists have discovered a remarkable increase in the incidence of leukemia in people living close to an oil refinery.
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Lysekil is one of the largest and most modern oil refineries in Europe. Yet, during the past 10 years, communities downwind of the refinery had twice as many cases of leukemia as would be expected based on the refinery's low emissions.
But, without further research, the study's authors can only guess as to why the rates vary so much from risk estimates. It could be due to the emissions, an unknown factor or chance.
A number of scientific studies have raised concerns over cancer risks associated with living close to a refinery. This is the first study to compile and analyze information about cancer incidence in a large Swedish population who live near an oil refinery.
Refineries release organic compounds that can cause cancer. For example, the chemical benzene is associated with an increased risk of leukemia.
Regulatory agencies set safe exposure levels for chemicals by testing for effects at high concentrations, then, using statistical extrapolation to determine safe exposure levels. This method assumes that if exposure goes up so do effects and if exposure goes down so will effects. But, research is beginning to show that chemicals do not always follow this rule and may cause different effects at higher and lower levels.
Based on the results, the organic pollutant levels in the exposed areas were well below accepted levels and the incident of cancer should not have increased. But actual measurements showed a doubling in the risk for leukemia in the last 10 years.
The scientists note that more studies are needed to determine why the rates varied so much from predictions. Further research could discern if the increased incidence of leukemia is caused by – rather than just associated with – the refinery's emissions or if some other unknown factor is responsible.
Researchers studied seven parishes in the vicinity of the Lysekil refinery on the west coast of Sweden. Two parishes located 2 to 5 kilometers downwind from the refinery were classified as exposed to refinery fumes. Five other parishes that were greater than 7 kilometers away from the refinery were used for comparison.
The average amount of air pollutants in exposed parishes was estimated from air sample measurements provided by the Swedish Environmental Research Institute. The average exposure was similar to that found in a Swedish city with road traffic, except the levels of propene were five times higher.
The number of refinery employees as well as geological and socioeconomic backgrounds of inhabitants in exposed and unexposed parishes were similar in the exposed and unexposed groups. Within these populations, leukemia cases and total cancer incidence from 1975 – the year that refinery was built – to 2004 were retrieved from the Regional Swedish Cancer Registry.
Reference parishes used as control groups had the expected rates of leukemia and other combined types of cancers. In exposed parishes, the incidence of leukemia was 50 percent higher than expected for the past 30 years – 33 cases were found when only 22 were statistically expected. The highest number of leukemia cases was reported in the last 10 years with 19 cases when only 8.5 would be expected.
The oil refinery and the people in the community were made aware of the study's findings.
So how far is jurong island from jurong west or jurong east????
I found this
http://environment.about.com/od/pollution/a/airport_noise.htm
http://oem.bmj.com/content/56/9/577.full.pdf
http://www.flcv.com/IncinHE.html
http://www.ehhi.org/reports/exhaust/summary.shtml
Similar to your 7km from refinery...
Airport is a hazard and so is crematory
So is car pollution...
Ok, did it, surprise! So many research articles/reports on "cancer from refineries"!!!
Are you an expert/insider on these?
To be safer from refineries / incinerators etc, please live at least more than 7km from them!!!
Leukemia: The price of living close to an oil refinery?
Mar 05, 2009
Barregard L, E Holmberg and G Sallsten. 2009. Leukaemia incidence in people living close to an oil refinery. Environmental Research 109:985-990 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.envres.2009.09.001).
Synopsis by Negin P. Martin, Ph. D (http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/Members/nmartin)
Swedish scientists have discovered a remarkable increase in the incidence of leukemia in people living close to an oil refinery.
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Lysekil is one of the largest and most modern oil refineries in Europe. Yet, during the past 10 years, communities downwind of the refinery had twice as many cases of leukemia as would be expected based on the refinery's low emissions.
But, without further research, the study's authors can only guess as to why the rates vary so much from risk estimates. It could be due to the emissions, an unknown factor or chance.
A number of scientific studies have raised concerns over cancer risks associated with living close to a refinery. This is the first study to compile and analyze information about cancer incidence in a large Swedish population who live near an oil refinery.
Refineries release organic compounds that can cause cancer. For example, the chemical benzene is associated with an increased risk of leukemia.
Regulatory agencies set safe exposure levels for chemicals by testing for effects at high concentrations, then, using statistical extrapolation to determine safe exposure levels. This method assumes that if exposure goes up so do effects and if exposure goes down so will effects. But, research is beginning to show that chemicals do not always follow this rule and may cause different effects at higher and lower levels.
Based on the results, the organic pollutant levels in the exposed areas were well below accepted levels and the incident of cancer should not have increased. But actual measurements showed a doubling in the risk for leukemia in the last 10 years.
The scientists note that more studies are needed to determine why the rates varied so much from predictions. Further research could discern if the increased incidence of leukemia is caused by – rather than just associated with – the refinery's emissions or if some other unknown factor is responsible.
Researchers studied seven parishes in the vicinity of the Lysekil refinery on the west coast of Sweden. Two parishes located 2 to 5 kilometers downwind from the refinery were classified as exposed to refinery fumes. Five other parishes that were greater than 7 kilometers away from the refinery were used for comparison.
The average amount of air pollutants in exposed parishes was estimated from air sample measurements provided by the Swedish Environmental Research Institute. The average exposure was similar to that found in a Swedish city with road traffic, except the levels of propene were five times higher.
The number of refinery employees as well as geological and socioeconomic backgrounds of inhabitants in exposed and unexposed parishes were similar in the exposed and unexposed groups. Within these populations, leukemia cases and total cancer incidence from 1975 – the year that refinery was built – to 2004 were retrieved from the Regional Swedish Cancer Registry.
Reference parishes used as control groups had the expected rates of leukemia and other combined types of cancers. In exposed parishes, the incidence of leukemia was 50 percent higher than expected for the past 30 years – 33 cases were found when only 22 were statistically expected. The highest number of leukemia cases was reported in the last 10 years with 19 cases when only 8.5 would be expected.
The oil refinery and the people in the community were made aware of the study's findings.
We need to get out of Singapore soon.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/719/sxq8.jpg
I just showed to all expats bankers and shipping guys on same table in boat quay pub, they all laughed at these nonsense! Great sense of humor no doubt, but they ain't moving to JLD
We need to get out of Singapore soon.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/719/sxq8.jpg
stalingrad
11-10-13, 19:59
So how far is jurong island from jurong west or jurong east????
I found this
http://environment.about.com/od/pollution/a/airport_noise.htm
http://oem.bmj.com/content/56/9/577.full.pdf
http://www.flcv.com/IncinHE.html
http://www.ehhi.org/reports/exhaust/summary.shtml
Similar to your 7km from refinery...
Airport is a hazard and so is crematory
So is car pollution...
You need to live at least 30 miles (not km) from a refinery to be safe. So, the only solution for you is to move to Malaysia.
I will not reply your question, just take it that there are many things people don't know, better be safe than sorry.
Ok, did it, surprise! So many research articles/reports on "cancer from refineries"!!!
Are you an expert/insider on these?
To be safer from refineries / incinerators etc, please live at least more than 7km from them!!!
Leukemia: The price of living close to an oil refinery?
Mar 05, 2009
Barregard L, E Holmberg and G Sallsten. 2009. Leukaemia incidence in people living close to an oil refinery. Environmental Research 109:985-990 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.envres.2009.09.001).
Synopsis by Negin P. Martin, Ph. D (http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/Members/nmartin)
Swedish scientists have discovered a remarkable increase in the incidence of leukemia in people living close to an oil refinery.
ShareThis
Lysekil is one of the largest and most modern oil refineries in Europe. Yet, during the past 10 years, communities downwind of the refinery had twice as many cases of leukemia as would be expected based on the refinery's low emissions.
But, without further research, the study's authors can only guess as to why the rates vary so much from risk estimates. It could be due to the emissions, an unknown factor or chance.
A number of scientific studies have raised concerns over cancer risks associated with living close to a refinery. This is the first study to compile and analyze information about cancer incidence in a large Swedish population who live near an oil refinery.
Refineries release organic compounds that can cause cancer. For example, the chemical benzene is associated with an increased risk of leukemia.
Regulatory agencies set safe exposure levels for chemicals by testing for effects at high concentrations, then, using statistical extrapolation to determine safe exposure levels. This method assumes that if exposure goes up so do effects and if exposure goes down so will effects. But, research is beginning to show that chemicals do not always follow this rule and may cause different effects at higher and lower levels.
Based on the results, the organic pollutant levels in the exposed areas were well below accepted levels and the incident of cancer should not have increased. But actual measurements showed a doubling in the risk for leukemia in the last 10 years.
The scientists note that more studies are needed to determine why the rates varied so much from predictions. Further research could discern if the increased incidence of leukemia is caused by – rather than just associated with – the refinery's emissions or if some other unknown factor is responsible.
Researchers studied seven parishes in the vicinity of the Lysekil refinery on the west coast of Sweden. Two parishes located 2 to 5 kilometers downwind from the refinery were classified as exposed to refinery fumes. Five other parishes that were greater than 7 kilometers away from the refinery were used for comparison.
The average amount of air pollutants in exposed parishes was estimated from air sample measurements provided by the Swedish Environmental Research Institute. The average exposure was similar to that found in a Swedish city with road traffic, except the levels of propene were five times higher.
The number of refinery employees as well as geological and socioeconomic backgrounds of inhabitants in exposed and unexposed parishes were similar in the exposed and unexposed groups. Within these populations, leukemia cases and total cancer incidence from 1975 – the year that refinery was built – to 2004 were retrieved from the Regional Swedish Cancer Registry.
Reference parishes used as control groups had the expected rates of leukemia and other combined types of cancers. In exposed parishes, the incidence of leukemia was 50 percent higher than expected for the past 30 years – 33 cases were found when only 22 were statistically expected. The highest number of leukemia cases was reported in the last 10 years with 19 cases when only 8.5 would be expected.
The oil refinery and the people in the community were made aware of the study's findings.
Can you refer us to the source which says "30 miles" distance from a refinery to be safe? I hope you didn't make this up?
You need to live at least 30 miles (not km) from a refinery to be safe. So, the only solution for you is to move to Malaysia.
You need to live at least 30 miles (not km) from a refinery to be safe. So, the only solution for you is to move to Malaysia.
I just fooling around in this thread.... The people here are so paranoid.... They must have been watching 1,000 ways to die...
So many people want to do NEA's job..... Hahaha
So many think our NEA is incompetent.... Hahaha
proud owner
11-10-13, 20:48
throwing this picture wide open...then gonna get outta here :ashamed1:
The south west monsoon does not confined itself only between the 2 black parallel arrow so is the Northest Monsoon to the 2 brown parallel arrow
so if you were to widen the black arrow all the way down to Bukom
you can also target CDB and Istana
precisely
I am very curious why of the 3 black lines ... only 2 are parallel ..and not all 3 ?
actually Bkt Timah also kana ... IF all 3 black lines (and brown lines) are parallel ..
WHy Bkt timah still prime district huh ?
Does anyone know what is the fatality rate of the workers And the Birds in our Jurong Bird Park ? since is it entirely within the black line zone and closest too ...
Do the birds in Jurong Bird Park have the shortest average lifespan within its own breed compared to other habitats ?
Once we have that answer ... we will know if JLD is safe :tongue3:
proud owner
11-10-13, 20:57
kam gong, what it means that the exhaust can be dispersed as far as 10000 kilometers, from the source at cruising altitude.
you mean planes are at cruising altitude at the airport@!? WAHAHAHAHA
when you look at stupidity in the eyes, ringo stares back - Sir A.W.
why for the past few replies to R33 ... you gave people names ?
not nice leh ... reflect badly on you ....
proud owner
11-10-13, 21:00
how about difference between lorong 40 geyland and guillemard road
Guillemard more expensive right ?
many years ago I already said ... in Singapore ... road that has Ang moh name more expensive than other languages
Bro, I listen to all this spinning of fiction until I faint...
All the dogs in tuas check point, all the dogs in jurong, all the dogs in bishan, all the dogs at east coast will have a cancer and die at 7 year old.....
This is one big joke....
You all think animals will not Siam.....
precisely
U
I am very curious why of the 3 black lines ... only 2 are parallel ..and not all 3 ?
actually Bkt Timah also kana ... IF all 3 black lines (and brown lines) are parallel ..
WHy Bkt timah still prime district huh ?
Does anyone know what is the fatality rate of the workers And the Birds in our Jurong Bird Park ? since is it entirely within the black line zone and closest too ...
Do the birds in Jurong Bird Park have the shortest average lifespan within its own breed compared to other habitats ?
Once we have that answer ... we will know if JLD is safe :tongue3:
proud owner
11-10-13, 21:21
Bro, I listen to all this spinning of fiction until I faint...
All the dogs in tuas check point, all the dogs in jurong, all the dogs in bishan, all the dogs at east coast will have a cancer and die at 7 year old.....
This is one big joke....
You all think animals will not Siam.....
ok let me confuse you further ...
actually animals have better senses than human beings.
they know where is safe and where and when there is danger...
if we have data to the cause of death ( not old age ) of pets in Jurong...we will have an answer to how safe JLD is ..? hehehe
if only Dogs can surf the net and have a website on real estate :
K(9)ondosingapore.com ... we would love to see what our pet dogs have to say
I just showed to all expats bankers and shipping guys on same table in boat quay pub, they all laughed at these nonsense! Great sense of humor no doubt, but they ain't moving to JLD
OMG !
They are not worried and start to bid up the Jurong MM till it reach $2,0xx within the next 5 years ?
Or they starting to ask all their subordinates to move out of Jurong ?
DKSG
precisely
I am very curious why of the 3 black lines ... only 2 are parallel ..and not all 3 ?
actually Bkt Timah also kana ... IF all 3 black lines (and brown lines) are parallel ..
WHy Bkt timah still prime district huh ?
Does anyone know what is the fatality rate of the workers And the Birds in our Jurong Bird Park ? since is it entirely within the black line zone and closest too ...
Do the birds in Jurong Bird Park have the shortest average lifespan within its own breed compared to other habitats ?
Once we have that answer ... we will know if JLD is safe :tongue3:
Theoretically Bukit Timah is supposed to be the worst hit.
north east monsoon will bring pollution from pasir gudang.
south west monsoon will bring pollution from jurong tuas.
however as one forummer have mentioned, the residents of Jurong & Punggol act as filters. They breath in polluted air and breath out clean air. Hence bukit timah is a prime district.
As to ur question about Jurong Birdpark,
of course birdpark birds have longer livespan than in the wild. no predation and regular feedint times. death due to predation take effect immediately. death due to starvation in the wild take a few days. death due to pollution take a few weeks, long enough to breed another generation.
now do you understand why there is a bird breeding program in the birdpark? :)
Bro, I listen to all this spinning of fiction until I faint...
All the dogs in tuas check point, all the dogs in jurong, all the dogs in bishan, all the dogs at east coast will have a cancer and die at 7 year old.....
This is one big joke....
You all think animals will not Siam.....
now that you mentioned it, i just realised i have not seen any penguins & polar bears in Jurong Island. :eek:
stalingrad
11-10-13, 21:43
http://occmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/57/3/177.full
Actually oil refineries are harmless. Oil refinery workers actually have a lower incidence of cancer. They only have higher incidences of certain types of cancer related to exposure to asbestos, which has already been phased out of the production process.
I think that is why the government is expanding and promoting JLD.
I just showed to all expats bankers and shipping guys on same table in boat quay pub, they all laughed at these nonsense! Great sense of humor no doubt, but they ain't moving to JLD
No doubt the foreigners make fun of the idiotic and stinky singaporeans who chose to live in Jurong.
No doubt you as a superior singaporean also poke fun at the idiotic and stinky singaporeans who chose to live in Jurong, so that you can help make the foreigners laugh harder & louder.
now that you mentioned it, i just realised i have not seen any penguins & polar bears in Jurong Island. :eek:
The nearest is in jurong bird park.... HAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.birdpark.com.sg/exhibits/penguin-coast.html#ad-image-0
So the theory of safest in jurong island is unreal... The safest is near jurong bird park....hahahahaha
Guillemard more expensive right ?
many years ago I already said ... in Singapore ... road that has Ang moh name more expensive than other languages
no leh, which of these streets cost more?
petain ?
desker ?
geylang ?
keong saik ?
I am afraid the research results you quoted are terribly outdated since it was dated Jan 2007!
Let me quote you latest research results released on 29 July 2013 which states that:
Higher Cancer Incidences Found in Regions Near Refineries and Plants That Release Benzene
http://occmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/57/3/177.full
Actually oil refineries are harmless. Oil refinery workers actually have a lower incidence of cancer. They only have higher incidences of certain types of cancer related to exposure to asbestos, which has already been phased out of the production process.
I think that is why the government is expanding and promoting JLD.
Science News
Higher Cancer Incidences Found in Regions Near Refineries and Plants That Release Benzene
July 29, 2013 — The incidence of a particular type of blood cancer is significantly higher in regions near facilities that release the chemical benzene into the environment. That is the conclusion of a new study published early online in Cancer, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Cancer Society. This and other studies like it will be critical to identifying and enacting public health policies to decrease or prevent cancer.
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma has been on the rise over the past few decades as industrial production in the United States has expanded. Benzene is one chemical carcinogen linked to blood cancers. Working with Dr. Christopher Flowers and colleagues in the Lymphoma Program at Emory University in Atlanta, Catherine Bulka, MPH, used publicly available data from the Environmental Protection Agency and the US Census Bureau to analyse the geographic patterns of non-Hodgkin lymphoma cases in the state of Georgia between 1999 and 2008. This group examined the associations between new cases of lymphoma and the locations of facilities -- such as petroleum refineries and manufacturing plants -- that released benzene into the surrounding air or water.
The investigators found that the metro-Atlanta region, Augusta, and Savannah had the highest incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma even when controlling for population size as well as for age, sex, and race demographics of the local region. Also, the incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma was significantly greater than expected surrounding benzene release sites located in the metro-Atlanta area and surrounding one benzene release site in Savannah. For every mile the average distance to benzene release sites increased, there was a 0.31 percent decrease in the risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma.
"Our study is the first to examine the relationship between passive benzene exposure and the incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma at the state population level," said Bulka.
Let me quote Stalingrad / Ringo33 another recent medical journal publication abstract published in Sep 2012 vs his quoted outdated Jan 2007 article:
Volume 1, No.1, September, 2012 (http://www.jomb.org/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=lists&catid=27) >
High Incidence Rate of Lung Cancer in Oil Refinery Counties
Fares. A. Masri1 and Amer Sheikh Yusuf2,3
1.University of Kalamoon, Faculty of Pharmacy, Deratiah, Syria.
2.Nuclear Medical Center at Beirouni hospital, Damascus, Syria.
3.Kiwan Medical Center for Cancer Care, Damascus, Syria.
Abstract—New research shows a significant link between lung cancer and cancer-causing chemical pollution, especially from large industrial facilities such as oil refinery. The aim of the study was to compare the incidence rate of lung cancer between oil refinery counties and non oil refinery counties in Syria. All our data were collected from the Nuclear Medical Center at Beirouni hospital in Damascus, which has the only Cancer disease registry in Syria. All patients (n=2790) who were diagnosed in 2006 with any type of cancer from oil refinery counties (n=2) and non oil refinery counties (n=3) in Syria were included in this study according to their residency place and cancer type. Our results indicate that Lung cancer in oil refinery counties constituted significantly higher percentage of all cancers than non oil refineries counties [P=0.005]. Lung cancer incidence rates for 2006 in oil refinery counties was significantly higher than non oil refineries counties [refineries counties: 3.48 per 100 000 population; non refineries counties: 2.27 per 100 000 population; P=0.034]. Unexpectedly, only 53.9% of lung cancer patients in oil Refinery County were smoker. We also observed an excess rate of lung cancer occurrence in age group 30-39 years old in oil refinery counties. In conclusion, this study provides new information suggesting that oil refinery products may play an important role in lung carcinogenesis in Syria.
I am afraid the research results you quoted are terribly outdated since it was dated Jan 2007!
Let me quote you latest research results released on 29 July 2013 which states that:
Higher Cancer Incidences Found in Regions Near Refineries and Plants That Release Benzene
Science News
Higher Cancer Incidences Found in Regions Near Refineries and Plants That Release Benzene
July 29, 2013 — The incidence of a particular type of blood cancer is significantly higher in regions near facilities that release the chemical benzene into the environment. That is the conclusion of a new study published early online in Cancer, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Cancer Society. This and other studies like it will be critical to identifying and enacting public health policies to decrease or prevent cancer.
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma has been on the rise over the past few decades as industrial production in the United States has expanded. Benzene is one chemical carcinogen linked to blood cancers. Working with Dr. Christopher Flowers and colleagues in the Lymphoma Program at Emory University in Atlanta, Catherine Bulka, MPH, used publicly available data from the Environmental Protection Agency and the US Census Bureau to analyse the geographic patterns of non-Hodgkin lymphoma cases in the state of Georgia between 1999 and 2008. This group examined the associations between new cases of lymphoma and the locations of facilities -- such as petroleum refineries and manufacturing plants -- that released benzene into the surrounding air or water.
The investigators found that the metro-Atlanta region, Augusta, and Savannah had the highest incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma even when controlling for population size as well as for age, sex, and race demographics of the local region. Also, the incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma was significantly greater than expected surrounding benzene release sites located in the metro-Atlanta area and surrounding one benzene release site in Savannah. For every mile the average distance to benzene release sites increased, there was a 0.31 percent decrease in the risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoma.
"Our study is the first to examine the relationship between passive benzene exposure and the incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphoma at the state population level," said Bulka.
omg omg omg omg :eek:
and we put our creme de la creme of singapore's youth, the ntu & nus undergrads, in a such polluted environment to study & live for years.:eek:
omg, what has our dearest govt done? :eek:
and yet, our dearest govt put the ITE retards in such a pristine environment like Bishan.:banghead:
http://www.taxiautofare.com/sg/taxi-fare/Singapore-taxi-fare-from-jurong-west-to-Jurong-island
Distance between jurong west and Jurong island is 14.88 Km. Travel time from jurong west and Jurong island is 18 Minutes.
U can check distance from the above site.
omg omg omg omg :eek:
and we put our creme de la creme of singapore's youth, the ntu & nus undergrads, in a such polluted environment to study & live for years.:eek:
omg, what has our dearest govt done? :eek:
and yet, our dearest govt put the ITE retards in such a pristine environment like Bishan.:banghead:
Lets not forget that SAFTI are located in Jurong, right in the middle of all the action..
All the rich man sons and scholars has to do IPPT in Jurong. Jialat leh.
OMG
where should my family and I move to :banghead:
How about another article about risk of being near refineries! :banghead:
Oil Refinery Workers & family members - Mesothelioma and Asbestos Exposure Risks (http://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CEMQFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asbestos.com%2Foccupations%2Foil-refinery-workers.php&ei=SgdYUv-MNcmMrQeYlYCQAg&usg=AFQjCNHmhGww-6wjiKWOI8Bg5HIxiWPg3g&sig2=7_dikwHBGKWmowESwUbnaw&bvm=bv.53899372,d.bmk)
Oil refineries are industrial plants where crude oil, the unprocessed oil that comes out of the ground that is also known as petroleum, is processed and refined into various useful products, including gasoline, heating oil, kerosene and diesel. The process of refining oil requires the thick liquid to be boiled, allowing gasses to be released and allowing various chemicals to be separated. Oil refineries are typically large complexes with extensive piping to transport fluids between large chemical processing units.
There are several refinery specialties identified by professional societies, including millwrights and welders, pipefitters, boiler makers, electricians and engineers. In a country dependent on petroleum, oil refinery workers perform vital, but dangerous jobs (http://www.asbestos.com/jobsites/). Petroleum is highly flammable and can cause explosions and damaging fires that may even claim lives. Oil refinery workers may operate or control refining or processing units, maintain and repair equipment, control pumping systems, gauge or test oil in storage tanks or regulate the flow of oil into pipelines.
As of Jan. 1, 2012, there were a total of 144 operable petroleum refineries in the United States, and as of May 2011, there were approximately 41,570 employed oil refinery workers in the nation. Also in May 2011, Texas held the highest employment rate in this occupation with an estimated 21,760 employees.
In addition to the risks of explosions and fires, oil refinery workers risk exposure to asbestos. Prior to changes in federal law, asbestos was commonly used to insulate equipment that operates at the high temperatures common at these facilities.
Products & Locations
Oil refinery workers have been exposed to different asbestos products such as:
Thermal Insulation: In oil refinery plants, asbestos is used mainly as a thermal insulator in places where heat and fire are a concern. From the 1930s to the 1970s it was common that oil refinery vessels contained highly flammable materials, and therefor needed to be insulated with a fire retardant such as asbestos. More specifically, any process that took place in a refinery that required high temperatures used pipelines, tanks, boilers, ovens, reactors, furnaces, driers, heat exchangers and pumps that were lined with asbestos.
Asbestos can still be found in insulation materials (http://www.asbestos.com/products/construction/insulation.php) that were produced before the 1980s, but it is most commonly found today around pipes, conduits and distillation columns, and in various gaskets and other machinery parts.
Refinery Equipment: Asbestos has not only been found in insulation of oil refinery equipment, but in the equipment itself, such as sealants and sheet, spiral wound and meta-jacketed gaskets. Asbestos gaskets were used in piping and pumps to prevent leaks. Maintenance workers jobs included maintaining and repairing machinery. This caused them to come in contact with asbestos fibers when handling damaged materials if fibers were released into the environment and were inhaled.
Construction Products: Asbestos has been used in protective screens around on-site welding operations, in some brands of duct tape, and as insulation in floor, ceiling and roofing tiles, walls and work surfaces.
Protective Equipment: Because the oil refining process involves the use of high heat to potentially flammable materials, there is a large potential for fires and injuries to take place in refineries. To protect employees from these risks, heat-resistant asbestos was also used in protective clothing and equipment.
Occupational Exposure
Regardless of their specific occupation, oil refinery workers' exposure to asbestos was usually the result of directly handling equipment, involvement in the process of refining crude oil, the use of protective clothing or from inhaling fibers released from damaged material.
Refining oil requires the oil to be boiled, which releases gasses and allows for chemicals to separate. It is this boiling that explains the use of asbestos: parts, equipment and protective gear need to be insulated. Not only can asbestos reduce the risk of fire and prevent burns, but it also is resistant to chemical reactions.
Asbestos was primarily used in areas where heat and fire were a concern. Many of the processes taking place inside the work space of these facilities required employees to cut, sand and handle asbestos-containing materials, which created asbestos dust. These tiny asbestos fibers were easily made airborne where they could linger in the air for oil refinery workers to inhale and ingest. Once these fibers are inhaled, most are expelled, but some can become lodged in organ tissues and remain there throughout life. The accumulation of fibers can cause inflammation and scarring that may lead to the development of mesothelioma cancer and other asbestos-related illnesses.
Asbestos was also commonly used in clothing (http://www.asbestos.com/products/general/textile-cloths-garments.php), usually worn by oil workers as protection against heat and the risk of potential fires. Such protective clothing included aprons, gloves, shoe covers, pants and facemasks. If damage occurred to these items, fibers were released and potentially inhaled. This brought especially high risks for those who wore asbestos facemasks. The material, similar to that used within the pipes, contained asbestos fibers and would also decompose over time and circulate in the work area.
Scientific Studies
A study conducted in 2000 by researchers of the National Cancer Institute titled Mesothelioma and Lung Tumors Attributable to Asbestos Among Petroleum Workers found that between 96 and 100 percent of mesothelioma cases and between 42 and 49 percent of lung cancer cases among oil refinery maintenance workers were attributed to asbestos exposure. The same study also found two cases of asbestos-related lung cancer (http://www.asbestos.com/cancer/lung-cancer/) among these workers for each case of mesothelioma.
A British study of more than 45,000 oil refinery workers who had worked in the industry for at least a year between 1946 and 1971, found significantly elevated rates of mesothelioma and other asbestos-related diseases among oil refinery workers.
Lawsuits
Ginger Hall, the wife of a refinery worker, filed an asbestos cancer lawsuit on June 25, 2012 against 11 companies where her husband worked, including Chevron USA, Citgo, DuPont, ExxonMobil, Huntsman Petrochemical, Mobil Chemical, Mobil Oil, Oxy USA, Texaco, Union Oil, and Unocal Corp. Hall claims she developed cancer after being exposed to secondhand exposure to asbestos dust on her husband's clothing.
According to her asbestos lawsuit (http://www.asbestos.com/mesothelioma-lawyer/lawsuit.php), Hall was exposed to asbestos through her husband's employment at several area refineries because he would come home with asbestos dust on his clothing. After years of exposure to secondhand asbestos, Hall began to suffer breathing difficulties and eventually developed cancer. Hall is now seeking exemplary damages, past and future medical expenses, mental anguish, pain, impairment and lost wages, plus all court costs.
Amanollah Shahabi, a 76-year-old Iranian-American engineer, worked for the National Iranian Oil Company in Iran before relocating to the United States in the 1980s, where he worked as a consultant while obtaining his citizenship. He later worked for Bechtel on site at the Chevron refinery in Segundo, California.
For over 40 years, Shahabi was exposed to asbestos found in oil refineries. In June 2007, Shahabi was diagnosed with mesothelioma, a terminal cancer caused by asbestos exposure, and he filed a lawsuit against A.W. Chesterton Company. In 2008, after a trial lasting more than a month, the jury awarded Shahabi $14.8 million.
Let me quote Stalingrad / Ringo33 another recent medical journal publication abstract published in Sep 2012 vs his quoted outdated Jan 2007 article:
Volume 1, No.1, September, 2012 (http://www.jomb.org/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=lists&catid=27) >
High Incidence Rate of Lung Cancer in Oil Refinery Counties
Fares. A. Masri1 and Amer Sheikh Yusuf2,3
1.University of Kalamoon, Faculty of Pharmacy, Deratiah, Syria.
2.Nuclear Medical Center at Beirouni hospital, Damascus, Syria.
3.Kiwan Medical Center for Cancer Care, Damascus, Syria.
Abstract—New research shows a significant link between lung cancer and cancer-causing chemical pollution, especially from large industrial facilities such as oil refinery. The aim of the study was to compare the incidence rate of lung cancer between oil refinery counties and non oil refinery counties in Syria. All our data were collected from the Nuclear Medical Center at Beirouni hospital in Damascus, which has the only Cancer disease registry in Syria. All patients (n=2790) who were diagnosed in 2006 with any type of cancer from oil refinery counties (n=2) and non oil refinery counties (n=3) in Syria were included in this study according to their residency place and cancer type. Our results indicate that Lung cancer in oil refinery counties constituted significantly higher percentage of all cancers than non oil refineries counties [P=0.005]. Lung cancer incidence rates for 2006 in oil refinery counties was significantly higher than non oil refineries counties [refineries counties: 3.48 per 100 000 population; non refineries counties: 2.27 per 100 000 population; P=0.034]. Unexpectedly, only 53.9% of lung cancer patients in oil Refinery County were smoker. We also observed an excess rate of lung cancer occurrence in age group 30-39 years old in oil refinery counties. In conclusion, this study provides new information suggesting that oil refinery products may play an important role in lung carcinogenesis in Syria.
You are a real joker! People take straight line distance lah, you think gases travel in zig-zag direction following the roads?
Please see attached where Jurong Island to Jurong Gateway is just 5.4 km!!! omg omg! :banghead:
http://www.taxiautofare.com/sg/taxi-fare/Singapore-taxi-fare-from-jurong-west-to-Jurong-island
Distance between jurong west and Jurong island is 14.88 Km. Travel time from jurong west and Jurong island is 18 Minutes.
U can check distance from the above site.
omg omg omg:eek:
nus is only 1 km away from pasir panjang terminal. :eek:
ships burning bunker fuel have such high concentrations of sulphur and other brain retarding chemicals.
omg omg omg:eek:
our poor best and brightest, the nus undergrad and professors.
i apologise to the forummers.
i seems to pick up bad habit of "omg omg omg" from dksg.
You are a real joker! People take straight line distance lah, you think gases travel in zig-zag direction following the roads?
Please see attached where Jurong Island to Jurong Gateway is just 5.4 km!!! omg omg! :banghead:
Will it be ok if I quote what you said to NEA and ask them to response to your comments about people living in Jurong having higher risk of cancer?
omg omg omg:eek:
nus is only 1 km away from pasir panjang terminal. :eek:
ships burning bunker fuel have such high concentrations of sulphur and other brain retarding chemicals.
omg omg omg:eek:
our poor best and brightest, the nus undergrad and professors.
i apologise to the forummers.
i seems to pick up bad habit of "omg omg omg" from dksg.
Regarding bunker fuel. Once I was riding on the cable car and happen to pass above one of star cruise liner, the smell was horrible.
And there we have CBD right next to Keppel and Orchard at around 3km away.
You are a real joker! People take straight line distance lah, you think gases travel in zig-zag direction following the roads?
Please see attached where Jurong Island to Jurong Gateway is just 5.4 km!!! omg omg! :banghead:
I was trying to figure it out.... Thanks...
Can u help me map out one for distance from bukom to sentosa ???bukom to reflection????
I was trying to figure it out.... Thanks...
Can u help me map out one for distance from bukom to sentosa ???bukom to reflection????
Brani to Sentosa Cove
How about the below? Better watch out what toxic gases are flowing into your JGateway within 7 km of all these refineries / incinerators / power generation plants etc!
You think our NEA has as much will, resources, and capability to conduct research that are as thorough and as deep and as complex as those in USA? :tongue3:
Their Researchers tested samples of indoor and outdoor air for over 150 chemicals.
Don't know NEA can and willing to test for just 100 chemicals for homes within 10km of those refineries or not? :rolleyes:
Will it be ok if I quote what you said to NEA and ask them to response to your comments about people living in Jurong having higher risk of cancer?
Oil Refinery Toxics Found in Air of Nearby Homes
March 29, 2010
Test Results Released as EPA Considers Addressing Refinery Pollution
Chevron Urges Court to Allow Expansion of a Refinery
Toxics from a Chevron oil refinery were found in the indoor air of homes in Richmond, California, according to a peer-reviewed study in American Journal of Public Health. The results are being released as the EPA considers measures to reduce pollution from refineries nationwide, and as Chevron is appealing a court decision barring the expansion of one of the nation’s largest refineries in Richmond, California.
Researchers tested samples of indoor and outdoor air for over 150 chemicals in 40 homes in Richmond, California (low-income, predominantly minority neighborhoods bordering a Chevron oil refinery, marine shipping corridors and other polluters), and 10 homes in Bolinas, CA (a non-industrial comparison community). The air indoors, where Americans spend 90 percent of their time, was more polluted than the air outdoors in both communities, with 104 toxics detected inside Richmond homes and 69 in Bolinas.
This study marks the first time that indoor air was tested to fingerprint pollutants from oil refineries and shipping corridors. “We found that living near an oil refinery adds exposures that may be hazardous to your health,” said Julia Brody, PhD, lead author of the study and Executive Director of Silent Spring Institute. “Toxic pollution from oil refineries doesn’t stay outside; it seeps into homes, where people spend most of their time. We hope that federal regulators and the courts will take our findings into consideration as they address air pollution from refineries nationwide.”
Air in Richmond homes had more chemicals present and at higher concentrations than in Bolinas. Fine particulates (PM2.5) were found at concentrations above California’s annual ambient air quality standard in nearly half of Richmond homes even though the residents were nonsmokers. Particulates are considered an aggregate measure of air pollution. Health studies have linked them to respiratory and cardiovascular problems, including premature death.
Levels of vanadium and nickel in Richmond were among the highest in the state, implicating heavy oil combustion from the nearby refinery and marine port. These compounds indicate the presence in homes of hundreds of unmeasured pollutants from the refinery.
Richmond, in Contra Costa County, has high cancer and respiratory risks associated with industrial air toxics. The county’s 15% asthma prevalence rate is among the state’s highest.
“There are a lot of people in this community, a lot of people with cancer. A lot of people with asthma, the children have a high incidence of asthma here,” said one Richmond study participant.
The Richmond Chevron refinery is one of the nation’s largest, covering 2,900 acres and processing over 240,000 barrels of crude oil a day into gasoline, jet fuel, diesel, and lubricants. Communities for a Better Environment has voiced concerns about air pollution from flaring (venting and uncontrolled burning of gaseous emissions in routine operations and emergencies) and has sued to block Chevron’s requested permit changes to replace and add equipment that reportedly would increase emissions of sulfur dioxide, sulfates, and metals by refining lower grade crude oil with higher sulfur content.
“Richmond residents living by Chevron’s oil refinery are already worried about health risks from air pollution. Now is the time to reduce pollution by making a green transition, rather then lock in dirtier crude refining that could exacerbate health issues and climate change,” said Jessica Tovar, a community organizer with Communities for a Better Environment.
The California State Court of Appeal has not yet ruled on Chevron’s appeal of a July 2009 court decision that put the Chevron permit changes on hold in response to a lawsuit brought by CBE and other community organizations. The court ruled that the Environmental Impact Report supported by Chevron and approved by the City of Richmond was illegal because it did not disclose whether the project will allow Chevron to process dirtier oil or address the cumulative pollution burden on Richmond residents.
The study was conducted by Silent Spring Institute, the University of California, Berkeley, Brown University, and Communities for a Better Environment (an environmental justice organization). The California Department of Public Health, Commonweal, Breast Cancer Fund, and Breast Cancer Action contributed information to the study.
Brani to Sentosa Cove
Pulau bukom to sentosa.... Pulau bukom got refinery....
Not so free lah. May be you can ask Stalingrad or Ringo33 to map out for you and tell us the results? :beats-me-man:
I was trying to figure it out.... Thanks...
Can u help me map out one for distance from bukom to sentosa ???bukom to reflection????
Not so free lah. May be you can ask Stalingrad or Ringo33 to map out for you and tell us the results? :beats-me-man:
I using iPad... So don't know how to use... Computer, I no problem...
I think those at reflection will kana... Those sentosa also will kana...:banghead::banghead::banghead:
Some more pay so much....:simmering::simmering:
This is called bang balls...
HAHAHAHAHAHA....
I think can go sentosa site and reflection site to share with them... Hahahahahaha
Pulau bukom to sentosa.... Pulau bukom got refinery....
Not sure why a simple things like air quality in Jurong is worse than other parts of Singapore need so much debate ?
Ask around those people you know la!
Colleagues, relatives, friends, ...
At least for Office Boy when I ask around the office, most people says that. Though maybe not very fair because not that many people in my office stay in Jurong. But even those stay also say that.
One point to clarify though, when we say bad, it is not as if people die immediately la! The way you all put it is as if it is chemical weapons.
This is the same as saying that the probability that construction workers' hearing are more likely to be impeded over a long period of exposure to loud noises. That DJs who spin music in clubs is more likely to have hearing problems if they work in clubs over a period of time.
Very difficult to understand ?
DKSG
Bro, dj in club will lose hearing over long term... If they don't put some ear plugs ....
I cannot understand why govt say tanjong pagar is prime land when so near refinery... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I agree with u lar... This people making a mountain out of a molehill....
Buay tahan.... Now I really pity the sentosa folks....:banghead::banghead::scared-1::scared-1:
But why no one will tell them ah???? Why no balls to antagonize the rich ar.... Hahahahahahah
Not sure why a simple things like air quality in Jurong is worse than other parts of Singapore need so much debate ?
Ask around those people you know la!
Colleagues, relatives, friends, ...
At least for Office Boy when I ask around the office, most people says that. Though maybe not very fair because not that many people in my office stay in Jurong. But even those stay also say that.
One point to clarify though, when we say bad, it is not as if people die immediately la! The way you all put it is as if it is chemical weapons.
This is the same as saying that the probability that construction workers' hearing are more likely to be impeded over a long period of exposure to loud noises. That DJs who spin music in clubs is more likely to have hearing problems if they work in clubs over a period of time.
Very difficult to understand ?
DKSG
If only our NEA can be more pro-active like EPA rather than reactive? :banghead:
Will it be ok if I quote what you said to NEA and ask them to response to your comments about people living in Jurong having higher risk of cancer?
Oil Refinery Group Sues EPA Over Request for Emissions Data
By GABRIEL NELSON of Greenwire (http://www.greenwire.com)
Published: June 1, 2011
An oil and gas trade group has taken the rare step of challenging a U.S. EPA information request, saying the agency is seeking too much data as it revisits a George W. Bush-era analysis of refineries' cancer-causing emissions.
In its effort to update toxic pollution limits that date back to 1995, EPA has asked refineries to estimate their emissions of benzene and other carcinogenic chemicals, as well as pollutants that form soot and smog. The agency has long required refineries to use pollution controls to prevent such emissions, but now, it's doing a "residual risk review" to figure out whether remaining emissions give people an additional one-in-a-million chance of getting cancer.
The American Petroleum Institute filed a lawsuit (http://www.eenews.net/assets/2011/06/01/document_gw_03.pdf) yesterday in federal court to challenge the data request, which could provide the underpinnings for a stricter set of pollution rules.
By ordering data from all 152 U.S. refineries, rather than just a sample, EPA's February request will waste the oil industry's time and money, API attorney John Wagner said. The agency is seeking an "unprecedented" amount of information from each refinery, and wants it sooner than the owners can manage, he wrote in an email statement.
Refiners needed to provide the first responses by yesterday. Two more batches of data are due by the end of June and the end of August.
"The extremely tight timeframes will make it difficult if not impossible to present complete and quality-assured data to EPA," Wagner said. "That being said, I understand the refineries will be responding as they are able given the artificial limitations being placed on them."
Underlying their concerns is a fear that the Obama administration will be stricter in its review than the George W. Bush administration, which released a rule in its final days saying that refineries didn't need new equipment to protect the public from their toxic emissions.
The incoming Obama administration refused to publish the rule, which was signed by former EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson four days before President Bush left office in January 2009. Later that year, EPA made it known that it would formally withdraw the rule and redo the study of cancer risks.
Public health groups and environmentalists had claimed that the Bush-era study used flawed methodology to spare the industry from adding new controls. For instance, they said, EPA had calculated the cancer risk from exposure to a single plant rather than the compound effect of living near Houston's Ship Channel or the refinery-packed Louisiana corridor that is often derided as "Cancer Alley."
"We remain disappointed that EPA never published the final rule after years of analysis and copious technical support," said Howard Feldman, API's director of regulatory and scientific affairs. He described it as a "a very costly and unnecessary approach, considering that EPA already had a final rule completed."
Data submitted by oil companies would also be used to update the New Source Performance Standards (NSPS) for refineries. Due late next year under a settlement deal with environmentalists, the standards will include greenhouse gas limits for an industry with higher emissions than any but the power sector.
John Walke, clean air director at the Natural Resources Defense Council, said he was surprised by the new lawsuit. It is unusual for trade groups to challenge information collection requests, which don't require companies to curb their pollution, he said.
"This is something that communities have a right to know, but that API is going to extraordinary lengths to block," Walke said.
Under the Obama administration, EPA has taken heavy fire from critics on Capitol Hill after releasing strict new toxic emissions limits for power plants, industrial boilers and cement kilns.
Each of those rules was preceded by an information collection request, which must be reviewed by the White House Office of Management and Budget. Lawsuits tend to pile up whenever EPA puts out a major rule, but the past three data requests were not challenged in court.
EPA estimated that the data request for refineries would take 69,000 hours and cost $30.9 million, but API and the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association predict that it will take 540,000 hours and cost more than $77 million.
Walke said it appears that refineries are trying to starve EPA of the information it needs to write solid rules. The request isn't very expensive, he said, and when the agency starts with an incomplete data set, as industry groups claimed it did with the recent set of rules for industrial boilers, there are often damaging problems with the proposed rule.
"It's not only hypocrisy -- it's hypocrisy on stilts," Walke said. "In Washington, they scream that EPA doesn't have accurate data and is imposing unrealistic emissions standards. And what do they do? They turn around and try to block EPA's collection of data."
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I agree with u lar... This people making a mountain out of a molehill....
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who are this people har?
the ones who cannot accept JG at 14xx and SOME JG MMs at 16xx-17xx?
who are this people har?
the ones who cannot accept JG at 14xx and SOME JG MMs at 16xx-17xx?
The ones that keep saying got pollution...
If they stay in Bangkok, Jakarta, KL... I wonder how??? Will they stay at prime location or outskirts???? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Not sure why a simple things like air quality in Jurong is worse than other parts of Singapore need so much debate ?
Ask around those people you know la!
Colleagues, relatives, friends, ...
At least for Office Boy when I ask around the office, most people says that. Though maybe not very fair because not that many people in my office stay in Jurong. But even those stay also say that.
One point to clarify though, when we say bad, it is not as if people die immediately la! The way you all put it is as if it is chemical weapons.
This is the same as saying that the probability that construction workers' hearing are more likely to be impeded over a long period of exposure to loud noises. That DJs who spin music in clubs is more likely to have hearing problems if they work in clubs over a period of time.
Very difficult to understand ?
DKSG
so will have shorter lifespans and more health problems for those who stay in Jurong?
my question not very difficult to understand right?
so will have shorter lifespans and more health problems for those who stay in Jurong?
The kids will inherit earlier... Their pets will die earlier... But why I see so many old folks in jurong ar????
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
A dog lifespan of 1 year is equivalent to 7 human years... A dog typically have a life span of 9-13 years... So those in jurong will live to 5 years????
Obvious right? So another article below, this time from Obama... :p
And read the statement "Oil companies were already warning of plant closings" and "ConocoPhillips (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=COP:US) Chief Executive Officer Jim Mulva (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Jim+Mulva&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) said the legislation may lead to the “potential shutdown of refineries and investment and, ultimately, employment.” " - If any other countries other than USA is given such threat, you think they won't carve in to these oil companies demand? :eek:
so will have shorter lifespans and more health problems for those who stay in Jurong?
Exxon, Valero Face New Curbs on Cancer-Causing Gases
By Jim Efstathiou Jr. - July 2, 2009 12:37 EDT
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=avimage&iid=i6lXRsbHiv8o
U.S. President Barack Obama
July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack+Obama&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) is considering new curbs on U.S. oil refineries whose gas emissions pose a cancer risk to hundreds of thousands of people living near the plants, setting up a potential conflict with companies over the cost of new regulations.
The White House suspended a ruling (http://www.epa.gov/ttncaaa1/t3/fr_notices/petrefin_ats_fa_011609.pdf) signed by President George W. Bush (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=George+W.+Bush&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) four days before he left office that found refiners were adequately controlling benzene and other cancer-causing gases, said Cathy Milbourn (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Cathy+Milbourn&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), a spokeswoman at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (http://www.environmentamerica.org/).
The decision may lead to regulations requiring some of the 156 refineries in the U.S. to add or upgrade equipment or limit the burning of waste gases, the environmental group Natural Resources Defense Council (http://www.nrdc.org/) said. New limits may prompt a lawsuit by refiners, which have spent about $100 billion in almost two decades to lower pollution, according to an industry group.
“We’re going to take whatever action we think is necessary if we think the rule isn’t justified,” said John Wagner (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=John+Wagner&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), senior attorney for the American Petroleum Institute (http://www.api.org/?gclid=CMPrku26kZsCFQQVswodJxRdpw), based in Washington. Oil companies were already warning of plant closings after the House last week approved the first U.S. regulation of global warming gases.
John Walke (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=John+Walke&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), clean-air director for the New York-based Natural Resources Defense Council, said he was encouraged by the Obama administration’s decision to suspend the Bush ruling.
“I read into their action a willingness to consider and to adopt more protective practices,” Walke said “Otherwise, they could have simply and quietly published the Bush administration rule.”
‘Premature’ Ruling
A White House spokesman, Ben LaBolt (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Ben+LaBolt&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), referred questions on refinery emissions to the EPA, where Milbourn said the gas ruling by Bush had been “premature.”
While U.S. law doesn’t cap toxic emissions from refineries, which convert crude oil into gasoline and diesel fuel, it does require plants to match what the best refiners are achieving at reducing hazardous pollution. Thirteen of the 20 largest refineries are in Texas and Louisiana, according to the U.S. Energy Department (http://www.energy.gov/).
Standards were last set in 1995. If Obama finds those measures insufficient, the government may take six to nine months to propose new requirements and a similar amount of time after that to adopt them, Walke said.
Valero Energy Corp., Exxon Mobil Corp. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=XOM:US) and other oil companies together spent $100 billion from 1990 to 2007, and $8.3 billion in 2008, to cut pollution at refineries, according to the American Petroleum Institute. Further regulation may increase refiners’ costs and raise the gasoline prices paid by consumers, according to the lobbying group.
Fumes from refineries, factories and utilities account for about a quarter of man-made emissions in the U.S. that are potentially hazardous to human health, the EPA has said. While it’s impossible to estimate the potential cost of new rules the agency may propose, additional pollution controls will add to the cost of making gasoline, said Howard Feldman, the API’s director of regulatory and scientific affairs.
“It’s hard to attribute any final retail price to any specific control but it certainly does impact the cost of manufacturing, which ultimately will impact the cost of fuel,” Feldman said in an interview.
Limits on carbon dioxide emissions blamed for global warming were adopted by the House on June 26 in a 219-212 vote. ConocoPhillips (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=COP:US) Chief Executive Officer Jim Mulva (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Jim+Mulva&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) said the legislation may lead to the “potential shutdown of refineries and investment and, ultimately, employment.”
Clean Air Act
Irving, Texas-based Exxon Mobil, owner of the largest U.S. refinery, in Baytown, Texas, increased profit to a record $45.2 billion last year. San Antonio-based Valero, the biggest U.S. refiner, reported a net loss of $1.13 billion for 2008.
The pollution controls put in place during the last 14 years were required by Congress under the Clean Air Act and its 1990 amendments. The EPA, under Bush appointee Stephen Johnson (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Stephen+Johnson&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), conducted the first review of how well those measures were protecting the public from exposure to hazardous gases.
The agency found that under controls already in place, about 460,000 people in the U.S. were exposed to an added risk of getting cancer of 1 to 30 in a million because of refinery emissions. The EPA deemed those odds “acceptable.”
For the U.S population, the lifetime risk (http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/1975_2006/results_merged/topic_lifetime_risk.pdf) of getting any type of cancer is about 40 percent, according to the National Cancer Institute (http://www.cancer.gov/).
Walke’s View
The NRDC’s Walke, a former attorney in the EPA’s clean air division, said Bush’s ruling failed to consider the effect of aggregate emissions from neighboring refineries or to account for fumes from all equipment. The risk of getting cancer from refinery pollution should be lowered to 1 in a million, he said.
Getting there takes spending, as “the lower the exposure gets, the more it costs to reduce it further,” said Michael Thun (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Michael%0AThun&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), vice president emeritus for epidemiology and surveillance at the Atlanta-based American Cancer Society (http://www.cancer.org/docroot/home/index.asp), which provides information on cancer research.
Benzene from turning crude oil into gasoline can cause leukemia, said Philip Landrigan (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Philip+Landrigan&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), head of community and preventive medicine at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York.
“This is not a situation where we talk in probabilities and possibilities,” Landrigan said in an interview. “Studies show excess rates of leukemia and related blood cancers in people, especially children, who live in communities adjacent to these refineries.”
Leukemia Link
Children under 20 living near the Houston Ship Channel in southeast Texas, an area with elevated levels of benzene from refineries, showed “significantly” higher than normal rates of leukemia, according to a 2008 study (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2592281) from the University of Texas School of Public Health, in Houston.
One day after taking office, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Rahm+Emanuel&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) moved to block the Bush ruling, which hadn’t taken effect, so the Obama administration could review it. Later the EPA said it would withdraw the refinery ruling “in order to reconsider” it, according to Milbourn.
The ruling, signed by Bush January 16, grades the effectiveness of pollution controls adopted by the EPA in 1995. The EPA under Bush found the maximum risk of getting cancer -- for someone living for 70 years within about 30 miles of the highest-polluting refinery -- to be 30 in a million. The agency didn’t name which plants were most polluting in the finding.
‘Right’ Conclusion
“We worked hard with the agency to give them information going into that risk determination,” Wagner said. “At that time, they didn’t find any residual risk. We thought that conclusion was right.”
From 1988 to 2007, hazardous emissions (http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/index.html) from making gasoline, diesel fuel and other products fell 65 percent, Feldman said. In 2005, refineries emitted 10,560 tons of toxic gases, according to the EPA’s latest National Emissions Inventory. Utilities released 408,650 tons.
The EPA is behind schedule in reviewing similar standards for other industries, the NRDC’s Walke said. A stricter rule for refiners could lead to tougher restrictions on other polluters. “This is the key test case and first opportunity to adopt more protective policies” for toxics, Walke said.
Since 1990, “emissions have gone down dramatically” as refineries, Bill Day (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Bill+Day&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), a spokesman for Valero, said in an interview. Day referred questions on the EPA rule to the American Petroleum Institute, as did Kristen Hellmer (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Kristen+Hellmer&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), a spokeswoman for Exxon Mobil.
New Technologies
The industry can do better, according to Monique Harden, an attorney for Advocates for Environmental Human Rights, (http://www.ehumanrights.org/index.html) a group based in New Orleans that helps communities push for environmental regulation. Some of the same companies operate refineries in Europe with lower emissions than at their sites in the U.S., she said.
“We really need this Obama EPA to pay close attention to innovative technologies that are used by the same companies in refineries in Europe,” Harden said.
Harden has worked with citizens in Mossville, Louisiana, who asked Houston-based ConocoPhillips (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=COP:US) to reduce pollution at its refinery in Lake Charles, Louisiana. The plant is one of 14 factories around Mossville, a community of about 300 families in Calcasieu Parish.
Shirley Johnson, a member of Mossville Environmental Action Now, a group pushing for lower refinery emissions, confronted ConocoPhillips CEO Mulva at the company’s annual meeting on May 13. He promised to visit Mossville within two months.
“What’s in the people’s bodies is the same thing that’s emitted from the refineries,” said Johnson, 71, who has lived in Mossville for 11 years. “We’re struggling here.”
Bill Stephens (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Bill+Stephens&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), a spokesman for the company, defended the existing regulation, saying in an e-mail that it was “very successful at reducing refinery emissions.”
ConocoPhillips plans to schedule the visit to Mossville, Stephens said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Jim Efstathiou Jr (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Jim+Efstathiou+Jr&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1). in New York at
[email protected]
You don't know many old folks in Jurong are imported? They don't live in Jurong previously, many from country side in China, India, etc... :beats-me-man:
The kids will inherit earlier... Their pets will die earlier... But why I see so many old folks in jurong ar????
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
A dog lifespan of 1 year is equivalent to 7 human years... A dog typically have a life span of 9-13 years... So those in jurong will leave to 5 years????
You don't know many old folks in Jurong are imported? They don't live in Jurong previously, many from country side in China, India, etc... :beats-me-man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurong_East#History
History of jurong....
By the way, those in reflection and sentosa jialat hor.....
Buy so ex, kana refinery exposure....:banghead::banghead::scared-1::scared-1:
Btw, u want to touch on crematorium and airport... U do research on pollution, there are stats confirming cancer on that leh.... You cannot be so one sided right... U must also warn those in bishan and east coast... If not people think y very bias leh.... Don't take care of those in bishan and east coast....
i am thinking of going underground, then i realise also have radon gas.
i am thinking of going underground, then i realise also have radon gas.
Bro, land a job in jurong island.... Once finish work, drive back home and switch on air con and air steriliser from the company
http://www.germitrol.com/
Our PM also use this...
Cheers
;)
Why you so bias, ignore Stalingrad post? He already provided research report to shows that toxic gases from Crematorium is so much insignificant compare to that from incinerators and refineries, so that one already cover.
As to airport, there is only one big one in Singapore in Changi, most people not affected lah since Changi generally very low population there and most people can't take the noise there anyway (which is already first warning signal)... ;)
I have to agree with you that those people never use their brains, pay so much for keppel bay reflections/carribeans and Sentosa to be near to Bukom refineries? :ashamed1:
Same for those pay more than $15xx psf for Jurong, regardless of MM or not! :scared-1:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurong_East#History
History of jurong....
By the way, those in reflection and sentosa jialat hor.....
Buy so ex, kana refinery exposure....:banghead::banghead::scared-1::scared-1:
Btw, u want to touch on crematorium and airport... U do research on pollution, there are stats confirming cancer on that leh.... You cannot be so one sided right... U must also warn those in bishan and east coast... If not people think y very bias leh.... Don't take care of those in bishan and east coast....
Teddy, crematoruim cause cancer...
http://www.flcv.com/IncinHE.html
Those living near it are affected...
How????? Or should we ignore this stat????
So how far is jurong island from jurong west or jurong east????
I found this
http://environment.about.com/od/pollution/a/airport_noise.htm
http://oem.bmj.com/content/56/9/577.full.pdf
http://www.flcv.com/IncinHE.html
http://www.ehhi.org/reports/exhaust/summary.shtml
Similar to your 7km from refinery...
Airport is a hazard and so is crematory
So is car pollution...
The title of your link is: "HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS of INCINERATORS ". Did you mistake these to be crematorium? Think you need to highlight this to Stalingrad and Ringo33 more about these incinerators in Jurong because there are many of them operating in Jurong and many more are going to be buid! :scared-1:
Teddy, crematoruim cause cancer...
http://www.flcv.com/IncinHE.html
Those living near it are affected...
How????? Or should we ignore this stat????
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
poor teddy no one take him seriously.
The title of your link is: "HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS of INCINERATORS ". Did you mistake these to be crematorium? Think you need to highlight this to Stalingrad and Ringo33 more about these incinerators in Jurong because there are many of them operating in Jurong and many more are going to be buid! :scared-1:
Teddy, please read further down....
Summary of References on Mercury Emissions from Crematoria (November 3, 2008 - by John Reindl, P.E., retired from Dane County, Wisconsin Department of Public Works; please send comments and feedback here)
Conclusions of Grinnell community residents studying mercury emissions from crematoria (good compilation of research on crematoria mercury emissions; see documentation and links at bottom of page)
Crematoria in the UK emit 11% of all the mercury released by industry and power plants (Your fillings will live on after your death to kill the environment, Sunday Herald, UK, 2/11/2001)
Mercury emissions from crematoria (UK Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs report, 2003)
2005 study shows that crematoria can't meet mercury and dioxin limits
Public Health Impact of Crematoria (report by Chief Medical Officer of British Columbia)
Executive Summary of the "Roadmap For Mercury" (US Environmental Protection Agency, 2006)
An Overview of Mercury Toxicity (Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection; 2008)
Chemical Profile for Mercury (Health impact info from Scorecard.org)
Mercury Fact Sheet (NJ Department of Health)
Effects on crematorium....
http://www.ejnet.org/crematoria/
Now please don't get over paranoid with central location after this hor.....
When burning humans or other animals, there are toxic emissions associated with it, particularly when the following contaminants are an issue:
any mercury amalgam dental fillings which haven't been removed
organohalogens (dioxins, furans, etc.) and other toxics accumulated through diet and other exposures (this is unavoidable, though a vegan/vegetarian diet will minimize exposure and toxin accumulation)
any plutonium pacemakers which haven't been removed
silicone breast implants, which can contain PVC, Methylene Chloride and other toxic chemicals
other metal or plastic implants in humans
radioactive or toxic tracers or testing chemicals from animal experimentation (for animal carcass incinerators)
metal or plastic implants of tracking chips in pets (for pet crematoria)
A great general resource site on crematoria pollution issues is: No Crematory
Public Health Impact of Crematoria (report by Chief Medical Officer of British Columbia outlining mercury, dioxin, particulate matter and other emissions concerns; report states that crematoria could have a negative impact on health and should not be located in residential neighborhoods)
Can someone advise how far Pasir Gudang is from Singapore????
Bro Hopeful... Dd some checking for you.... Hope u get it earlier... Jobs at Jurong Island... You are ist welcome...:D
Your fears will all disappear....:D:2cents:
http://www.jobs.com.sg/,-Jurong-Island-jobs
Bro, land a job in jurong island.... Once finish work, drive back home and switch on air con and air steriliser from the company
http://www.germitrol.com/
Our PM also use this...
Cheers
;)
Ok thanks for the good search!
Since "Crematoria in the UK emit 11% of all the mercury released by industry and power plants",
that means "In UK, 89% of all the mercury are released by the rest of industry and power plants excluding 'Crematoria'!!!" right!
Got your message!
To summarize the information you refer us to:
1) If you live near Crematoria, you are likely to be exposed to a dosage of about 11% of mercury released!
2) If you live near the rest of the heavy industry and power plants, your dosage is even worse, you are likely to be exposed to a dosage of about 89% of mercury released (OR 809.09% more than living near Crematoria)!!!
So, Your message to us is clear:
* Avoid any property within 7km of Crematoria that are found in Bishan and Mandai!
Since this is something relatively new, please ask NEA to seriously seriously look into the Crematoria issue in Bishan!
*** Avoid any property within 7km of incinerators, refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants etc that are found in Jurong and Tuas!
Avoid Jurong at all costs because your exposure to mercury is going to be 809.09% more than living near Crematoria! Got it? If not, please consult chestnut!
Teddy, please read further down....
Summary of References on Mercury Emissions from Crematoria (November 3, 2008 - by John Reindl, P.E., retired from Dane County, Wisconsin Department of Public Works; please send comments and feedback here)
Conclusions of Grinnell community residents studying mercury emissions from crematoria (good compilation of research on crematoria mercury emissions; see documentation and links at bottom of page)
Crematoria in the UK emit 11% of all the mercury released by industry and power plants (Your fillings will live on after your death to kill the environment, Sunday Herald, UK, 2/11/2001)
Mercury emissions from crematoria (UK Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs report, 2003)
2005 study shows that crematoria can't meet mercury and dioxin limits
Public Health Impact of Crematoria (report by Chief Medical Officer of British Columbia)
Executive Summary of the "Roadmap For Mercury" (US Environmental Protection Agency, 2006)
An Overview of Mercury Toxicity (Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection; 2008)
Chemical Profile for Mercury (Health impact info from Scorecard.org)
Mercury Fact Sheet (NJ Department of Health)
Beautiful lake right in the heart of JLD.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-euAWVIRqmfg/UEgPm_Tl1ZI/AAAAAAAAAVE/YaN5m5BLC0A/s640/Chinese_Garden-Pagoda_Twins.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3576/3518291528_bca4e648bf_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5115/7001476666_842f9c2118_b.jpg
R33, can you dont post fake pictures?
i say fake because the pictures are so clear. should be hazy and smoggy due to the industrial pollution coming from Jurong Island, Tuas.
Aiyo, why u like gold fm?
So can ignore this warning????
Public Health Impact of Crematoria (report by Chief Medical Officer of British Columbia outlining mercury, dioxin, particulate matter and other emissions concerns; report states that crematoria could have a negative impact on health and should not be located in residential neighborhoods)
So second hand smoke killing is higher means better smoke so won't get second hand smoke???
Ok thanks for the good search!
Since "Crematoria in the UK emit 11% of all the mercury released by industry and power plants",
that means "In UK, 89% of all the mercury are released by the rest of industry and power plants excluding 'Crematoria'!!!" right!
Got your message!
To summarize the information you refer us to:
1) If you live near Crematoria, you are likely to be exposed to a dosage of about 11% of mercury released!
2) If you live near the rest of the heavy industry and power plants, your dosage is even worse, you are likely to be exposed to a dosage of about 89% of mercury released (OR 809.09% more than living near Crematoria)!!!
So, Your message to us is clear:
* Avoid any property within 7km of Crematoria that are found in Bishan and Mandai!
Since this is something relatively new, please ask NEA to seriously seriously look into the Crematoria issue in Bishan!
*** Avoid any property within 7km of incinerators, refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants etc that are found in Jurong and Tuas!
Avoid Jurong at all costs because your exposure to mercury is going to be 809.09% more than living near Crematoria! Got it? If not, please consult chestnut!
R33, can you dont post fake pictures?
i say fake because the pictures are so clear. should be hazy and smoggy due to the industrial pollution coming from Jurong Island, Tuas.
you mean something like this? :D
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/spore062013/s_s02_70895598.jpg
how high are the chimneys at the crematories?
where did dksg, mermaid, eng go?
the brawl fight seems to be ending.
R33, can you dont post fake pictures?
i say fake because the pictures are so clear. should be hazy and smoggy due to the industrial pollution coming from Jurong Island, Tuas.
Hi bro,
Nothing wrong with Ringo's photo leh as I jog every morning there. I am sure that you are not the westie...:rolleyes:!
Hi bro,
Nothing wrong with Ringo's photo leh as I jog every morning there. I am sure that you are not the westie...:rolleyes:!
I think he meant it as a joke.
I think he meant it as a joke.
ok. Btw, the air is so fresh in the morning that I jog almost everyday before going to work..:D
ok. Btw, the air is so fresh in the morning that I jog almost everyday before going to work..:D
Actually I was told that the ambient temperature at night is about 2 degree cooler in the west than in the central.
Perhaps to the the large catchment area in the western region.
proud owner
12-10-13, 18:08
Actually I was told that the ambient temperature at night is about 2 degree cooler in the west than in the central.
Perhaps to the the large catchment area in the western region.
I have a landed house very close to Kent Ridge park ...
once the sun sets ... its very cooling
every morning ... my glass façade, my car screens all fog up ... like a chilled beer mug ...
I love it ....
some will say that the air there is so moist that one cant dry the laundry ..
it is true ... if u leave them in the open over night ... they are 'damp'....
but we never leave our laundry out overnight ... even when we live in condo
Why people tell you good things about the West you believe? :rolleyes:
Why people can tell you bad things about the West regarding all those refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, incinerators, power generation plants producing lots of toxic gases and even point you to all those research articles that had proven this fact BUT you still don't believe? Why why why? :banghead:
Actually I was told that the ambient temperature at night is about 2 degree cooler in the west than in the central.
Perhaps to the the large catchment area in the western region.
No, I never ignore the warning. I already said:
1) Avoid within 7km of Crematorium like those in Bishan because of 11% mercury expose.
2) BUT MUST SURELY SURELY AVOID within 7km of refineries, incinerators etc like those in Jurong because of 89% (and this is 809% worst than Bishan) mercury exposure!!!
If people have only 2 choices, either BISHAN or JURONG, which do you think they will choose? Bishan with 11% mercury exposure or Jurong with 809% more mercury exposure than Bishan? The answer is obvious right? Do I need to explain more? :beats-me-man:
Aiyo, why u like gold fm?
So can ignore this warning????
Public Health Impact of Crematoria (report by Chief Medical Officer of British Columbia outlining mercury, dioxin, particulate matter and other emissions concerns; report states that crematoria could have a negative impact on health and should not be located in residential neighborhoods)
So second hand smoke killing is higher means better smoke so won't get second hand smoke???
Ok thanks for the good search!
Since "Crematoria in the UK emit 11% of all the mercury released by industry and power plants",
that means "In UK, 89% of all the mercury are released by the rest of industry and power plants excluding 'Crematoria'!!!" right!
Got your message!
To summarize the information you refer us to:
1) If you live near Crematoria, you are likely to be exposed to a dosage of about 11% of mercury released!
2) If you live near the rest of the heavy industry and power plants, your dosage is even worse, you are likely to be exposed to a dosage of about 89% of mercury released (OR 809.09% more than living near Crematoria)!!!
So, Your message to us is clear:
* Avoid any property within 7km of Crematoria that are found in Bishan and Mandai!
Since this is something relatively new, please ask NEA to seriously seriously look into the Crematoria issue in Bishan!
*** Avoid any property within 7km of incinerators, refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants etc that are found in Jurong and Tuas!
Avoid Jurong at all costs because your exposure to mercury is going to be 809.09% more than living near Crematoria! Got it? If not, please consult chestnut!
Wunderkind
12-10-13, 20:40
It is amazing that we can spend so much time on some petty arguments that leaves none the less any better than before. It will be easier for all to accept that nothing is perfect in this imperfect world.
just wondering how come you never warn ppl in the east? oh maybe u stay in the east? :scared-4:
you sound like an expert and you can't be hiding the effect of pollution from ships and airplanes right? Do you know how many ships along east coast pk? They are less than a 1 KM you know???
http://www.airclim.org/acidnews/2011/AN2-11/ship-pollution-causes-50000-deaths-year
I help you to enhance your knowledge on pollution. some more articles about pollution of ships and you should know that it is worst than Jurong island...it is worst, you are an expert don't tell me you don't know. go ahead, goggle for more. :2cents:
Why you so bias, ignore Stalingrad post? He already provided research report to shows that toxic gases from Crematorium is so much insignificant compare to that from incinerators and refineries, so that one already cover.
As to airport, there is only one big one in Singapore in Changi, most people not affected lah since Changi generally very low population there and most people can't take the noise there anyway (which is already first warning signal)... ;)
I have to agree with you that those people never use their brains, pay so much for keppel bay reflections/carribeans and Sentosa to be near to Bukom refineries? :ashamed1:
Same for those pay more than $15xx psf for Jurong, regardless of MM or not! :scared-1:
Oh really? Ships and airplanes pollution so bad? I thought they have only 1 or 2 type of toxic gases released as a result of burning fuel, as compared to >150 chemicals from refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, incinerators etc (according to the US research study)! Imagine >150 chemicals! It will be very difficult to check and measure and monitor so many different types of chemicals! That is why, I say the West is the worst in terms of toxic gases pollution and there are just too many things we don't know!
Still, better be safe than sorry! I will avoid any property near the coasts of Singapore (think is D15, D16, D17 areas?) and the Changi area around the Changi Airport as well (in addition to the great WEST region)! Thank you for highlighting to all forumers here.
And also, don't forget to live in a house higher than 8th level because according to a UK study, your chance of dying from heart attack etc will be lower!
just wondering how come you never warn ppl in the east? oh maybe u stay in the east? :scared-4:
you sound like an expert and you can't be hiding the effect of pollution from ships and airplanes right? Do you know how many ships along east coast pk? They are less than a 1 KM you know???
http://www.airclim.org/acidnews/2011/AN2-11/ship-pollution-causes-50000-deaths-year
I help you to enhance your knowledge on pollution. some more articles about pollution of ships and you should know that it is worst than Jurong island...it is worst, you are an expert don't tell me you don't know. go ahead, goggle for more. :2cents:
whether 1 or 10 or 150 chemical, it still kills....I can see that now you are spreading to include many districts to avoid...:D
you didn't know pollution from airplane is very serious? I know you free...go read about carbon tax that EU almost wanted to implemented straight away which impact on all airlines flying thru Europe, this is just one eg...:D
and why u ask ppl to stay high high huh??? u want ppl to die faster? common sense is to stay low le...go for landed :D. why chimney so high u know? go google le.
Oh really? Ships and airplanes pollution so bad? I thought they have only 1 or 2 type of toxic gases released as a result of burning fuel, just like cars (except they produced much much more volume of such toxic gases than cars!), as compared to >150 chemicals from refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, incinerators etc (according to the US research study)! Imagine >150 chemicals! It will be very difficult to check and measure and monitor so many different types of chemicals! That is why, I say the West is the worst in terms of toxic gases pollution and there are just too many things we don't know!
Still, better be safe than sorry! I will avoid any property near the coasts of Singapore (think is D15, D16, D17 areas?) and the Changi area around the Changi Airport as well (in addition to the great WEST region)! Thank you for highlighting to all forumers here.
And also, don't forget to live in a house higher than 8th level because according to a UK study, your chance of dying from heart attack etc will be lower!
However, the gases from burning fuels are not the most toxic. Out of these 150 chemicals, there are chemicals with even much worse toxicity than those produced from burning fuels! That is why that US study did measurement on those 150 chemicals!
You forgot cars / buses / taxis produced a lot of pollution everyday? These particles are heavy and tends to stay around ground levels (up to a few storeys high). That is why the UK research study tell people to live at higher than 8th level can reduce your exposure to all these vehicles' pollutions to the minimum and reduce harmful effect to your health! The worst are those landed just beside the road! BAD BAD BAD! :doh:
whether 1 or 10 or 150 chemical, it still kills....I can see that now you are spreading to include many districts to avoid...:D
you didn't know pollution from airplane is very serious? I know you free...go read about carbon tax that EU almost wanted to implemented straight away which impact on all airlines flying thru Europe, this is just one eg...:D
and why u ask ppl to stay high high huh??? u want ppl to die faster? common sense is to stay low le...go for landed :D. why chimney so high u know? go google le.
hello, one basic u forgotten from school. I told u to go study more already...hot air rises la...so, meaning? I don't think I need to explain that right? :doh:
now go google about the weight of each chemical u mentioned and then tell us what is left on ground level... :D
go study more la. :)
However, the gases from burning fuels are not the most toxic. Out of these 150 chemicals, there are chemicals with even much worse toxicity than those produced from burning fuels! That is why that US study did measurement on those 150 chemicals!
You forgot cars / buses / taxis produced a lot of pollution everyday? These particles are heavy and tends to stay around ground levels (up to a few storeys high). That is why the UK research study tell people to live at higher than 8th level can reduce your exposure to all these vehicles' pollutions to the minimum and reduce harmful effect to your health! The worst are those landed just beside the road! BAD BAD BAD! :doh:
Enough of side show from NEA office Teddybear.
Time to focus on the real stuffs.
In about 8 weeks time, we are going to see the opening of Westgate shopping mall, and the Japanese expat around West Coast / Jurong area are going to welcome the arrive of Isetan supermarket to Jurong Gateway, (the first and only Isetan supermarket outside Orchard).
With this, I am sure we are going to see an increase in Japanese expats moving to the west and this can only be good news for estates around Japanese school.
The recent opening of JEM Mall and the sold out success of J Gateway is an indication that the beautiful Western Dragon is finally awake. In the coming weeks and months, you will noticed an increase in viewing activities in your estate, and you will get many call from property agents trying to solicit you to sell you property, and some might even make you an indecent offer for your unit.
What we are seeing in 2013 is only the 1st wave of the JLD effect, the next wave will come in 2014, when the VVIPs from MND BCA and AVA move into JEM.
In Fengshui, we believe that if the land is occupied by VVIP, the estates in around the area will prosperous. Dont believe? Just look at the property prices of places where ministers and banking and property tycoon live.
The 3rd wave will come in 2015, this is when NTFGH/JCH TOP and LTA will also announce the details and alignment of the Jurong Region MRT Line, and Cross Region Line. Those property located within 5km radius will huat big time in 2015.
The 4th and final wave will come in 2016/7 when STB, URA, MND make a big announcement on the development on the Lakeside District theme park. Details of the theme park is sketchy at the moment, but rest assure that when STB, EDB, URA NPark and other ministry are involved, it will be BIG.
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/180/9sx6.jpg
Yes, you are right hot air rises, creating vacuum which is further filled up by those toxic gases because those toxic gases and chemicals don't rise up to the sky but will infiltrate indoors into many ground and low level houses (according to the US research report which conducted the first comprehensive research on measuring 150 chemicals in houses near from refineries, a portion of the report of which I cut and paste below for your reference). Many of these toxic chemicals stay around ground levels and up to a few storeys high because of perturbations!
You can don't believe me, but you should believe the UK research report in 2013 which is further published in MyPaper on "住八楼以上早死风险少22%", linked below for your reference:
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=13282&page=11
*** 这项研究成果刊登在欧洲流行病学期刊(European Journalof Epidemiology)上。
Not only that, the same report has been cited in many other countries like below:
想长寿住高层
译者： 笔译实务
发表时间：2013-05-24
住高层是健康长寿的秘密？住在八楼以下早死的可能性是22%
住8楼以上楼层的人，死于肺病的可能性减少40%
死于严重性的心脏病的可能性减少35%
上空的环境也比地面上的污染少噪声低
Not only that, below is another research report conducted in Taiwan which basically comes to similar conclusion:
【台灣醒報記者黃雅娟台北報導】家住在1、2樓嗎？離馬路只有5公尺嗎？你可能已經成為空氣汙染的高風險群。國科會22日公布研究數據指出，大台北地區有80萬人住在高風險區域。大量汽機車排放的廢氣，是造成空氣汙染的主因。
國科會和中研院環境變遷中心聯合進行「都市空氣汙染暴險人口分佈研究」，針對台北市和新北市的居住環境做空氣汙染的風險評估。結果發現，女性且具教育程度高和申報所得稅高等特質，特別是居住在1、2樓，以及在距馬路5公尺內的民眾，都是暴露在空氣汙染中的高風險族群。
中研院副研究員龍世俊表示，國外的研究指出，居住在距離馬路50公尺內的民眾，發生冠狀動脈硬化的機率比在馬路外200公尺的民眾，還要高出六成以上。而大台北都會區更有98%的居民，住家都在馬路50公尺內，這項研究在國外發表時，也引起國外學者關注。
龍世俊分析，未婚女性可能為求生活機能方便，而選擇住在都會區。而台灣的高人口密度和機車密度，造成交通流量大增，也是形成高空氣汙染的主因之一。她指出，肺癌一直是台灣前十大死因，除了吸菸、烹調等原因，空氣汙染也是人體健康的殺手。龍世俊坦言，空氣汙染「沒有最低限值」，只能看你有多強壯。
People should not be iron-teeth to the detriments of themselves. If they want to detriment themselves, it is fine but please stop false propaganda because of self-interests and doing harm to others because of themselves don't want to believe all these research and trying all means to discredit them... :doh:
hello, one basic u forgotten from school. I told u to go study more already...hot air rises la...so, meaning? I don't think I need to explain that right? :doh:
now go google about the weight of each chemical u mentioned and then tell us what is left on ground level... :D
go study more la. :)
Oil Refinery Toxics Found in Air of Nearby Homes
March 29, 2010
Test Results Released as EPA Considers Addressing Refinery Pollution
Chevron Urges Court to Allow Expansion of a Refinery
Toxics from a Chevron oil refinery were found in the indoor air of homes in Richmond, California, according to a peer-reviewed study in American Journal of Public Health. The results are being released as the EPA considers measures to reduce pollution from refineries nationwide, and as Chevron is appealing a court decision barring the expansion of one of the nation’s largest refineries in Richmond, California.
Researchers tested samples of indoor and outdoor air for over 150 chemicals in 40 homes in Richmond, California (low-income, predominantly minority neighborhoods bordering a Chevron oil refinery, marine shipping corridors and other polluters), and 10 homes in Bolinas, CA (a non-industrial comparison community). The air indoors, where Americans spend 90 percent of their time, was more polluted than the air outdoors in both communities, with 104 toxics detected inside Richmond homes and 69 in Bolinas.
This study marks the first time that indoor air was tested to fingerprint pollutants from oil refineries and shipping corridors. “We found that living near an oil refinery adds exposures that may be hazardous to your health,” said Julia Brody, PhD, lead author of the study and Executive Director of Silent Spring Institute. “Toxic pollution from oil refineries doesn’t stay outside; it seeps into homes, where people spend most of their time. We hope that federal regulators and the courts will take our findings into consideration as they address air pollution from refineries nationwide.”
Air in Richmond homes had more chemicals present and at higher concentrations than in Bolinas. Fine particulates (PM2.5) were found at concentrations above California’s annual ambient air quality standard in nearly half of Richmond homes even though the residents were nonsmokers. Particulates are considered an aggregate measure of air pollution. Health studies have linked them to respiratory and cardiovascular problems, including premature death.
Levels of vanadium and nickel in Richmond were among the highest in the state, implicating heavy oil combustion from the nearby refinery and marine port. These compounds indicate the presence in homes of hundreds of unmeasured pollutants from the refinery.
Richmond, in Contra Costa County, has high cancer and respiratory risks associated with industrial air toxics. The county’s 15% asthma prevalence rate is among the state’s highest.
“There are a lot of people in this community, a lot of people with cancer. A lot of people with asthma, the children have a high incidence of asthma here,” said one Richmond study participant.
The figure with concentric rings look like areas ear-marked similar to "earth quake" zones, but is really "toxic gases hazard" zones. So forumers should just heed it and AVOID it and live outside of those rings!
Enough of side show from NEA office Teddybear.
Time to focus on the real stuffs.
In about 8 weeks time, we are going to see the opening of Westgate shopping mall, and the Japanese expat around West Coast / Jurong area are going to welcome the arrive of Isetan supermarket to Jurong Gateway, (the first and only Isetan supermarket outside Orchard).
With this, I am sure we are going to see an increase in Japanese expats moving to the west and this can only be good news for estates around Japanese school.
Congratulation to Jurong GRC God of Prosperity
http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/straitstimes.com/files/imagecache/story-gallery-featured/20131013/29388960e.jpg
Tharman named finance minister of the year by Euromoney magazine
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/singapore/story/tharman-named-finance-minister-the-year-euromoney-magazine-20131013
Looking at the reasons given by IMF, I thought those are the combined jobs and contributions from many ministries like MTI, MOM, NTUC, MAS, MHA, etc? May be the honour should go to PM Lee instead of Tharman for having done a good job coordinating all these ministries and making sure they collaborate and work well with other? Don't think a Finance Minister has control over MTI, MOM, NTUC, MHA right?
Congratulation to Jurong GRC God of Prosperity
http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/straitstimes.com/files/imagecache/story-gallery-featured/20131013/29388960e.jpg
Tharman named finance minister of the year by Euromoney magazine
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/singapore/story/tharman-named-finance-minister-the-year-euromoney-magazine-20131013
Tharman named finance minister of the year by Euromoney magazine
http://business.asiaone.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/2013/05/21/Tharman-Shanmugaratnam_SPH.jpg
Sunday, Oct 13, 2013
The Straits Times
SINGAPORE - Finance Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam was named Finance Minister of the Year by Euromoney magazine, a global banking and finance publication. He will receive the award today in a private presentation at the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) meetings in Washington.
http://www.asiaone.com/html/images/logos/st_logo.jpg (http://www.straitstimes.com)
Get the full story from The Straits Times (http://www.straitstimes.com).
Here is the press release from Euromoney:
Tharman Shanmugaratnam, the finance minister of Singapore, has been named as Euromoney's Finance Minister of the Year 2013.
Shanmugaratnam will receive this award during a private presentation at the World Bank/IMF annual meetings in Washington this week.
In conferring the award, Euromoney argues that Shanmugaratnam has played an over-arching role in enabling Singapore to shift its growth model from population-driven to productivity-driven expansion, while at the same time maintaining its status as an innovative trade and financial services hub to diversified export markets.
Commending Shanmugaratnam, Euromoney says: "Not content with resting on his laurels and relying on low taxes to attract foreign direct investment and business from Asia and elsewhere, finance minister Shanmugaratnam has spearheaded a push to find new sources of economic growth, while building a social safety net to address discontent over strained infrastructure and rising living costs.
"There is universal consensus that there is no better policymaker than Shanmugaratnam to push through this domestic agenda, while actively crafting policies to ensure the city-state maintains its relevance amid competition from such rivals as Kuala Lumpur, Shanghai and Dubai."
Euromoney, the world's leading publication for the global banking and finance industry, has been nominating a Finance Minister of the Year award for more than three decades. The previous three winners of the award are Russia's Alexei Kudrin in 2010, Australia's Wayne Swan in 2011 and the Philippines' Cesar Purisima last year.
Euromoney's decision is based on three factors: the opinions of a committee of Euromoney's senior editors, which is chaired by Euromoney's editor Clive Horwood; the views of the world's leading bankers, which we seek out in background meetings; and the analysis of the contributors to Euromoney Country Risk (ECR), which has more than 400 economists around the world contributing on a regular basis, as well as data sourced and compiled by ECR.
Hahaha...joker....I tell u go study more u don't want, down here keep thinking that u are expert, a lot of ppl laughing u know? U don't even believe our NEA and u ask ppl to believe the UK research report? What a clown...I don't think u know why chimney are high up don't you? Do u know where else on our small little island got such chimney....tell u what, I know u very free and like to act expert. Go see where is this location I talk about and see if u can find another research report that tells u more cancer patients coming from that location...:D
That location even more scary...:scared-5:
By the way, I think it is beneficial for all of us that you call NEA and then tell them where u think they should place the sensors. Basket, take so much tax payers money and none of them is better than this BEAR here....:rolleyes:
Yes, you are right hot air rises, creating vacuum which is further filled up by those toxic gases because those toxic gases and chemicals don't rise up to the sky but will infiltrate indoors into many ground and low level houses (according to the US research report which conducted the first comprehensive research on measuring 150 chemicals in houses near from refineries, a portion of the report of which I cut and paste below for your reference). Many of these toxic chemicals stay around ground levels and up to a few storeys high because of perturbations!
You can don't believe me, but you should believe the UK research report in 2013 which is further published in MyPaper on "住八楼以上早死风险少22%", linked below for your reference:
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=13282&page=11
*** 这项研究成果刊登在欧洲流行病学期刊(European Journalof Epidemiology)上。
Not only that, the same report has been cited in many other countries like below:
想长寿住高层
译者： 笔译实务
发表时间：2013-05-24
住高层是健康长寿的秘密？住在八楼以下早死的可能性是22%
住8楼以上楼层的人，死于肺病的可能性减少40%
死于严重性的心脏病的可能性减少35%
上空的环境也比地面上的污染少噪声低
Not only that, below is another research report conducted in Taiwan which basically comes to similar conclusion:
【台灣醒報記者黃雅娟台北報導】家住在1、2樓嗎？離馬路只有5公尺嗎？你可能已經成為空氣汙染的高風險群。國科會22日公布研究數據指出，大台北地區有80萬人住在高風險區域。大量汽機車排放的廢氣，是造成空氣汙染的主因。
國科會和中研院環境變遷中心聯合進行「都市空氣汙染暴險人口分佈研究」，針對台北市和新北市的居住環境做空氣汙染的風險評估。結果發現，女性且具教育程度高和申報所得稅高等特質，特別是居住在1、2樓，以及在距馬路5公尺內的民眾，都是暴露在空氣汙染中的高風險族群。
中研院副研究員龍世俊表示，國外的研究指出，居住在距離馬路50公尺內的民眾，發生冠狀動脈硬化的機率比在馬路外200公尺的民眾，還要高出六成以上。而大台北都會區更有98%的居民，住家都在馬路50公尺內，這項研究在國外發表時，也引起國外學者關注。
龍世俊分析，未婚女性可能為求生活機能方便，而選擇住在都會區。而台灣的高人口密度和機車密度，造成交通流量大增，也是形成高空氣汙染的主因之一。她指出，肺癌一直是台灣前十大死因，除了吸菸、烹調等原因，空氣汙染也是人體健康的殺手。龍世俊坦言，空氣汙染「沒有最低限值」，只能看你有多強壯。
People should not be iron-teeth to the detriments of themselves. If they want to detriment themselves, it is fine but please stop false propaganda because of self-interests and doing harm to others because of themselves don't want to believe all these research and trying all means to discredit them... :doh:
Oil Refinery Toxics Found in Air of Nearby Homes
March 29, 2010
Test Results Released as EPA Considers Addressing Refinery Pollution
Chevron Urges Court to Allow Expansion of a Refinery
Toxics from a Chevron oil refinery were found in the indoor air of homes in Richmond, California, according to a peer-reviewed study in American Journal of Public Health. The results are being released as the EPA considers measures to reduce pollution from refineries nationwide, and as Chevron is appealing a court decision barring the expansion of one of the nation’s largest refineries in Richmond, California.
Researchers tested samples of indoor and outdoor air for over 150 chemicals in 40 homes in Richmond, California (low-income, predominantly minority neighborhoods bordering a Chevron oil refinery, marine shipping corridors and other polluters), and 10 homes in Bolinas, CA (a non-industrial comparison community). The air indoors, where Americans spend 90 percent of their time, was more polluted than the air outdoors in both communities, with 104 toxics detected inside Richmond homes and 69 in Bolinas.
This study marks the first time that indoor air was tested to fingerprint pollutants from oil refineries and shipping corridors. “We found that living near an oil refinery adds exposures that may be hazardous to your health,” said Julia Brody, PhD, lead author of the study and Executive Director of Silent Spring Institute. “Toxic pollution from oil refineries doesn’t stay outside; it seeps into homes, where people spend most of their time. We hope that federal regulators and the courts will take our findings into consideration as they address air pollution from refineries nationwide.”
Air in Richmond homes had more chemicals present and at higher concentrations than in Bolinas. Fine particulates (PM2.5) were found at concentrations above California’s annual ambient air quality standard in nearly half of Richmond homes even though the residents were nonsmokers. Particulates are considered an aggregate measure of air pollution. Health studies have linked them to respiratory and cardiovascular problems, including premature death.
Levels of vanadium and nickel in Richmond were among the highest in the state, implicating heavy oil combustion from the nearby refinery and marine port. These compounds indicate the presence in homes of hundreds of unmeasured pollutants from the refinery.
Richmond, in Contra Costa County, has high cancer and respiratory risks associated with industrial air toxics. The county’s 15% asthma prevalence rate is among the state’s highest.
“There are a lot of people in this community, a lot of people with cancer. A lot of people with asthma, the children have a high incidence of asthma here,” said one Richmond study participant.
Please talk sense, and back with facts. I only believe in research reports from credible sources and facts, not from people trying to force their own personal opinions down our throats as though they are the authority (even authority cannot force people to do so, the most these people will do is to just keep quiet but scolding them upside down at the coffee shops drinking coffee and taking action with their vote! :rolleyes: Real stupid!). Such tactics are useless to many people like me, give people the impression that you think forumers are stupid and will blindly accept what you try to force down their throats? Really hilarious! :p
Hahaha...joker....I tell u go study more u don't want, down here keep thinking that u are expert, a lot of ppl laughing u know? U don't even believe our NEA and u ask ppl to believe the UK research report? What a clown...I don't think u know why chimney are high up don't you? Do u know where else on our small little island got such chimney....tell u what, I know u very free and like to act expert. Go see where is this location I talk about and see if u can find another research report that tells u more cancer patients coming from that location...:D
That location even more scary...:scared-5:
By the way, I think it is beneficial for all of us that you call NEA and then tell them where u think they should place the sensors. Basket, take so much tax payers money and none of them is better than this BEAR here....:rolleyes:
Yes, you are right hot air rises, creating vacuum which is further filled up by those toxic gases because those toxic gases and chemicals don't rise up to the sky but will infiltrate indoors into many ground and low level houses (according to the US research report which conducted the first comprehensive research on measuring 150 chemicals in houses near from refineries, a portion of the report of which I cut and paste below for your reference). Many of these toxic chemicals stay around ground levels and up to a few storeys high because of perturbations!
You can don't believe me, but you should believe the UK research report in 2013 which is further published in MyPaper on "住八楼以上早死风险少22%", linked below for your reference:
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=13282&page=11
*** 这项研究成果刊登在欧洲流行病学期刊(European Journalof Epidemiology)上。
Not only that, the same report has been cited in many other countries like below:
想长寿住高层
译者： 笔译实务
发表时间：2013-05-24
住高层是健康长寿的秘密？住在八楼以下早死的可能性是22%
住8楼以上楼层的人，死于肺病的可能性减少40%
死于严重性的心脏病的可能性减少35%
上空的环境也比地面上的污染少噪声低
Not only that, below is another research report conducted in Taiwan which basically comes to similar conclusion:
【台灣醒報記者黃雅娟台北報導】家住在1、2樓嗎？離馬路只有5公尺嗎？你可能已經成為空氣汙染的高風險群。國科會22日公布研究數據指出，大台北地區有80萬人住在高風險區域。大量汽機車排放的廢氣，是造成空氣汙染的主因。
國科會和中研院環境變遷中心聯合進行「都市空氣汙染暴險人口分佈研究」，針對台北市和新北市的居住環境做空氣汙染的風險評估。結果發現，女性且具教育程度高和申報所得稅高等特質，特別是居住在1、2樓，以及在距馬路5公尺內的民眾，都是暴露在空氣汙染中的高風險族群。
中研院副研究員龍世俊表示，國外的研究指出，居住在距離馬路50公尺內的民眾，發生冠狀動脈硬化的機率比在馬路外200公尺的民眾，還要高出六成以上。而大台北都會區更有98%的居民，住家都在馬路50公尺內，這項研究在國外發表時，也引起國外學者關注。
龍世俊分析，未婚女性可能為求生活機能方便，而選擇住在都會區。而台灣的高人口密度和機車密度，造成交通流量大增，也是形成高空氣汙染的主因之一。她指出，肺癌一直是台灣前十大死因，除了吸菸、烹調等原因，空氣汙染也是人體健康的殺手。龍世俊坦言，空氣汙染「沒有最低限值」，只能看你有多強壯。
People should not be iron-teeth to the detriments of themselves. If they want to detriment themselves, it is fine but please stop false propaganda because of self-interests and doing harm to others because of themselves don't want to believe all these research and trying all means to discredit them... :doh:
Oil Refinery Toxics Found in Air of Nearby Homes
March 29, 2010
Test Results Released as EPA Considers Addressing Refinery Pollution
Chevron Urges Court to Allow Expansion of a Refinery
Toxics from a Chevron oil refinery were found in the indoor air of homes in Richmond, California, according to a peer-reviewed study in American Journal of Public Health. The results are being released as the EPA considers measures to reduce pollution from refineries nationwide, and as Chevron is appealing a court decision barring the expansion of one of the nation’s largest refineries in Richmond, California.
Researchers tested samples of indoor and outdoor air for over 150 chemicals in 40 homes in Richmond, California (low-income, predominantly minority neighborhoods bordering a Chevron oil refinery, marine shipping corridors and other polluters), and 10 homes in Bolinas, CA (a non-industrial comparison community). The air indoors, where Americans spend 90 percent of their time, was more polluted than the air outdoors in both communities, with 104 toxics detected inside Richmond homes and 69 in Bolinas.
This study marks the first time that indoor air was tested to fingerprint pollutants from oil refineries and shipping corridors. “We found that living near an oil refinery adds exposures that may be hazardous to your health,” said Julia Brody, PhD, lead author of the study and Executive Director of Silent Spring Institute. “Toxic pollution from oil refineries doesn’t stay outside; it seeps into homes, where people spend most of their time. We hope that federal regulators and the courts will take our findings into consideration as they address air pollution from refineries nationwide.”
Air in Richmond homes had more chemicals present and at higher concentrations than in Bolinas. Fine particulates (PM2.5) were found at concentrations above California’s annual ambient air quality standard in nearly half of Richmond homes even though the residents were nonsmokers. Particulates are considered an aggregate measure of air pollution. Health studies have linked them to respiratory and cardiovascular problems, including premature death.
Levels of vanadium and nickel in Richmond were among the highest in the state, implicating heavy oil combustion from the nearby refinery and marine port. These compounds indicate the presence in homes of hundreds of unmeasured pollutants from the refinery.
Richmond, in Contra Costa County, has high cancer and respiratory risks associated with industrial air toxics. The county’s 15% asthma prevalence rate is among the state’s highest.
“There are a lot of people in this community, a lot of people with cancer. A lot of people with asthma, the children have a high incidence of asthma here,” said one Richmond study participant.
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hahaha...who is not talking sense? You choose to believe a research report that is based on a different environment rather than what is presented as fact on the actual ground??? You call this sense? oh yes, nonsense....nobody is forcing anybody to believe anything. It is fact, but don't twist and turn and just because you personally believe that the sensors are wrongly place or it doesn't match your believe and you go google and get all this research report to support your believe. don't waste time la...you believe can, no need to tell ppl. keep it. ;) oh yes, really hilarious...:D
Please talk sense, and back with facts. I only believe in research reports from credible sources and facts, not from people trying to force their own personal opinions down our throats as though they are the authority (even authority cannot force people to do so, the most these people will do is to just keep quiet but scolding them upside down at the coffee shops drinking coffee and taking action with their vote! :rolleyes: Real stupid!). Such tactics are useless to many people like me, give people the impression that you think forumers are stupid and will blindly accept what you try to force down their throats? Really hilarious! :p
As somebody in the know, I can only say that there are many such research reports & all of them come to similar conclusions. Obviously, they are not conducted in Singapore, the actual ground, but I doubt the conclusion will be any different. Regardless, I will just make sure I live quite some distance from these refineries & incinerators, especially if their locations are heavily concentrated in a certain area.
hahaha...who is not talking sense? You choose to believe a research report that is based on a different environment rather than what is presented as fact on the actual ground??? You call this sense? oh yes, nonsense....nobody is forcing anybody to believe anything. It is fact, but don't twist and turn and just because you personally believe that the sensors are wrongly place or it doesn't match your believe and you go google and get all this research report to support your believe. don't waste time la...you believe can, no need to tell ppl. keep it. ;) oh yes, really hilarious...:D
yes, you are talking sense...nobody should stay near such infrastructures and there is always a safety distance...:o, which is why they are on an island. Sg is very small. no matter where you are, depending on the wind directions, you will have it in a matter of seconds. :2cents: anyway, enuf on this topic. thank you for the closure. ;)
As somebody in the know, I can only say that there are many such research reports & all of them come to similar conclusions. Obviously, they are not conducted in Singapore, the actual ground, but I doubt the conclusion will be any different. Regardless, I will just make sure I live quite some distance from these refineries & incinerators, especially if their locations are heavily concentrated in a certain area.
Owners in the east beware...
Tampines has 4 MRT stations. Which other town has more?
Owners in the east beware...
Tampines has 4 MRT stations. Which other town has more?
JLD is go big that they have to name a MRT line after Jurong.
2021-2025 - Jurong Region Line
http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/ltaweb/corp/PublicTransport/img/jurong-region-line-map.jpg
As somebody in the know, I can only say that there are many such research reports & all of them come to similar conclusions. Obviously, they are not conducted in Singapore, the actual ground, but I doubt the conclusion will be any different. Regardless, I will just make sure I live quite some distance from these refineries & incinerators, especially if their locations are heavily concentrated in a certain area.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Everyone can say whatever they want on the internet.
When someone says "SNGS was once the number 1 school in Singapore", (no disrespect to SNGS and its students, teachers, principals and alumni), I would be more discerning about the rest of the things they say...
Yawn... I knew you will say JRL. Bro let me tell u, the line will not be fully completed until 2030. My friend works in LTA. After TSL, it's going to be NSE n ERL before they start JRL.
Oh ya, please dun include west coast tengah etc or the east will start claiming bedok n pasir ris.
By then 20 yrs later ur JG already old condo n many of us here retired already. Lol
While other places enjoy the convenient for so many years, the west needs to wait until zzzzz...
I agree west got potential lah, but it's going to be so far away zzzz...
West already announce the plan n prices already shoot up.
Should u looking at east now while plans or not out yet n prices haven't shoot?
Hahahaha
Lalalala lazy Sunday...
Your friend in lta never get his info from my friend in hdb/ura? Nothing for the east except small little mall here and there as for the next 20 yrs, they are going to built and built nothing there...:D most of the activities will be on the west, south & north, sorry to say that, what all of us have will have is a bigger airport and yes, u from the east can go to airport more frequent...I think u need to yawn more and sleep more.;)
Yawn... I knew you will say JRL. Bro let me tell u, the line will not be fully completed until 2030. My friend works in LTA. After TSL, it's going to be NSE n ERL before they start JRL.
Oh ya, please dun include west coast tengah etc or the east will start claiming bedok n pasir ris.
By then 20 yrs later ur JG already old condo n many of us here retired already. Lol
While other places enjoy the convenient for so many years, the west needs to wait until zzzzz...
I agree west got potential lah, but it's going to be so far away zzzz...
West already announce the plan n prices already shoot up.
Should u looking at east now while plans or not out yet n prices haven't shoot?
Hahahaha
Lalalala lazy Sunday...
Yawn... I knew you will say JRL. Bro let me tell u, the line will not be fully completed until 2030. My friend works in LTA. After TSL, it's going to be NSE n ERL before they start JRL.
Oh ya, please dun include west coast tengah etc or the east will start claiming bedok n pasir ris.
By then 20 yrs later ur JG already old condo n many of us here retired already. Lol
While other places enjoy the convenient for so many years, the west needs to wait until zzzzz...
I agree west got potential lah, but it's going to be so far away zzzz...
West already announce the plan n prices already shoot up.
Should u looking at east now while plans or not out yet n prices haven't shoot?
Hahahaha
Lalalala lazy Sunday...
Please dont come and tell us about who you know this and that because there is already someone in this forum who is claiming to know many people, even have information about there the next IR is going to be. So yours will be pale in comparison.
The LTA masterplan which was announced recently indicated that both ERL and JRL will be completed around 2021 to 2025, so I am not sure if we should believe LTA or someone who know someone who work for somebody.
Tampines is a small estate comparing to Jurong, so lets not waste time trying to count the no. of MRT station.
Your friend in lta never get his info from my friend in hdb/ura? Nothing for the east except small little mall here and there as for the next 20 yrs, they are going to built and built nothing there...:D most of the activities will be on the west, south & north, sorry to say that, what all of us have will have is a bigger airport and yes, u from the east can go to airport more frequent...I think u need to yawn more and sleep more.;)
Sorry I stay in the central.
Please dont come and tell us about who you know this and that because there is already someone in this forum who is claiming to know many people, even have information about there the next IR is going to be. So yours will be pale in comparison.
The LTA masterplan which was announced recently indicated that both ERL and JRL will be completed around 2021 to 2025, so I am not sure if we should believe LTA or someone who know someone who work for somebody.
Tampines is a small estate comparing to Jurong, so lets not waste time trying to count the no. of MRT station.
Yawn... Cow...
East like Tampines seems quite built up already, so time for West to catch up? but unfortunately all those plans will need to wait till 2030 to materialize. Don't know why poeple will resort to lies about how good the West is when what the West have now is lots of toxic gases! Best thing for West is to move all those refineries, incinerators, power generation plants out and then got hope... :scared-2:
Your friend in lta never get his info from my friend in hdb/ura? Nothing for the east except small little mall here and there as for the next 20 yrs, they are going to built and built nothing there...:D most of the activities will be on the west, south & north, sorry to say that, what all of us have will have is a bigger airport and yes, u from the east can go to airport more frequent...I think u need to yawn more and sleep more.;)
East like Tampines seems quite built up already, so time for West to catch up? but unfortunately all those plans will need to wait till 2030 to materialize. Don't know why poeple will resort to lies about how good the West is when what the West have now is lots of toxic gases! Best thing for West is to move all those refineries, incinerators, power generation plants out and then got hope... :scared-2:
The time line of all the major developments around JLD has already been posted many times before.
if you still dont get it, then it might be better for you to just stick to air pollution discussion.
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