Telok Kurau - Value buy?

[Regulators]

If traffic is such an issue to wild falcon, i think his hillview condo is lagi jialat. 2 constantly and perpetually jammed roads one road ending at a roundabout with cars queuing to get zapped by ERP gantry along upper bukit timah outside hume every morning. owners there have to wait for more than 10 years before a row of stupid shophouses converted to supermarket, eateries etc came to fruition (The Rail Mall) and the much awaited MRT station to come on only in 2015 outside salvation army.

Ha Ha, no worries dude, actually all you say has some truth but show me a convenient, well located place in Singapore, FH, near beaches, MRT, shops, expressway, not far away from city which is not congested and crowded, affordable (cheap) and I will make my investment there

I mean TK must have something going for it to be so built and crowded right? You don't see this kind of action and density in upper (somewhere) right?

[bullman]

The birdie stays on a tree on Pulau Ubin. Seaview, no traffic, windy, no neighbors at all and his nest is the only "development" around. What more can he ask for?

[mogyi]

The birdie stays on a tree on Pulau Ubin. Seaview, no traffic, windy, no neighbors at all and his nest is the only "development" around. What more can he ask for?

Ubin Cove? hey! better start buying kampong there , my grandchildren "ho Seh" already!

[amk]

Bro 2 terrace houses cannot become 50 units. I know you want to make a point

hey bro at least u know I'm just making a point. and I also stated TK is a nice area.

I'm just against that particular "prestigious" statement. I find it really says something abt one's character.

[teddybear]

TK is "prestigious"? Ha ha ha! Ya ya, more "prestigious" to Woodlands in comparison.

hey bro at least u know I'm just making a point. and I also stated TK is a nice area.

I'm just against that particular "prestigious" statement. I find it really says something abt one's character.

[Jazzer]

TK is "prestigious"? Ha ha ha! Ya ya, more "prestigious" to Woodlands in comparison.

U see what i mean... sigh!

[Wild Falcon]

Now you make sense. As I say, someone ask for opinion and list ONLY the good points for obvious reasons. You just need someone else to state the negative points of a location and then he gets offended and start all kinds of personal attacks. AMUSING. If you only want to hear the good things, then don't even bother to ask. The place is crowded and cluttered which will get worse in the future as more 1-2 houses become 50 units. And I also highlighted the fact that the new developments in the area have resorted to shoebox units to artificially keep PSF high. This is the LAST AMMO of developers. What next? Units cannot go lower than 300 sq ft. Suddenly, all kinds of attacks start appearing. What do you want to hear? Someone else say "stone's throw to the beach and the IR" and everyone think he give a darn good "opinion". How childish can one get? You want opinion, you get opinion. If you want VALIDATION of your views, then say so lah. It is a stone's throw to the IR and the beach and is spacious units with lush gardens. And its shoebox units are considered highly prestigious and more atas than Toa Payoh. Whatever. Now everyone in this thread is happy.

If you like crowded and high density places, then buy. Just don't take it se seriously for goodness sake and start calling people "birdie" or whatever. And worse still start putting down on AMK or Toa Payoh which is irrelevant.

Ha Ha, no worries dude, actually all you say has some truth but show me a convenient, well located place in Singapore, FH, near beaches, MRT, shops, expressway, not far away from city which is not congested and crowded, affordable (cheap) and I will make my investment there

I mean TK must have something going for it to be so built and crowded right? You don't see this kind of action and density in upper (somewhere) right?

[Wild Falcon]

Agreed fully . Beautiful area with no negative points at all. VERY attractive area. BUY. Best in Singapore. Happy can already.

I never used to think of Telok Kurau as being ideal for investment, but again with Freehold land getting scarcer, TK seems to look more attractive. Again, there is a height limit to developments in that area which makes it less ideal for future en blocs and the fact that there is no mrt also makes it less accessible. I can only see 5 main draws to the place:
1) largely freehold land
2) near good schools like tao nan
3) near east coast beach
4) exclusive private residential area
5) lower psf compared to full condos in that area like amber rd, tanjong rhu etc

Would like to hear what you guys think of this area

[Bignose88]

Agreed fully . Beautiful area with no negative points at all. VERY attractive area. BUY. Best in Singapore. Happy can already.

Plus free-flow of mossies....

[Jazzer]

Plus free-flow of mossies....

sorry to disappoint you on this.....

[Jazzer]

Plus free-flow of mossies....

sorry to disappoint you on this.....

[mogyi]

Now you make sense. As I say, someone ask for opinion and list ONLY the good points for obvious reasons. You just need someone else to state the negative points of a location and then he gets offended and start all kinds of personal attacks. AMUSING. If you only want to hear the good things, then don't even bother to ask. The place is crowded and cluttered which will get worse in the future as more 1-2 houses become 50 units. And I also highlighted the fact that the new developments in the area have resorted to shoebox units to artificially keep PSF high. This is the LAST AMMO of developers. What next? Units cannot go lower than 300 sq ft. Suddenly, all kinds of attacks start appearing. What do you want to hear? Someone else say "stone's throw to the beach and the IR" and everyone think he give a darn good "opinion". How childish can one get? You want opinion, you get opinion. If you want VALIDATION of your views, then say so lah. It is a stone's throw to the IR and the beach and is spacious units with lush gardens. And its shoebox units are considered highly prestigious and more atas than Toa Payoh. Whatever. Now everyone in this thread is happy.

If you like crowded and high density places, then buy. Just don't take it se seriously for goodness sake and start calling people "birdie" or whatever. And worse still start putting down on AMK or Toa Payoh which is irrelevant.

how can you guys put down AMK and toa payoh, go look at the caveat for centro and duno wat vista in toa payoh, you'll realised these 2 areas are doing even higher PSF than TK, i believe >1200 psf. Prestige wise... i duno so better keep quiet

[Jazzer]

how can you guys put down AMK and toa payoh, go look at the caveat for centro and duno wat vista in toa payoh, you'll realised these 2 areas are doing even higher PSF than TK, i believe >1200 psf. Prestige wise... i duno so better keep quiet

Nothing wrong...

there will be some people who are willing to pay $1,200psf in AMK.. for reasons known only to them. Who are we to say they are crazy if they are rich?

[kellogs]

AMK seems like a nice place to stay ... with all the hawker center, bus, mrt and hdb ...

but 1200 is too expensive i think? for a 99 years condo ...

I am just happy god given me the ability to purchase an unit in TK which is big enough for me and my family to live. quiet and peaceful environment

prestigious or not ... does not matter to me

[xebay11]

If you like crowded and high density places, then buy. Just don't take it se seriously for goodness sake and start calling people "birdie" or whatever. And worse still start putting down on AMK or Toa Payoh which is irrelevant.

Bro I never called you names And not put down AMK or TPY Peace!

[xebay11]

AMK seems like a nice place to stay ... with all the hawker center, bus, mrt and hdb ...

but 1200 is too expensive i think? for a 99 years condo ...

I am just happy god given me the ability to purchase an unit in TK which is big enough for me and my family to live. quiet and peaceful environment

prestigious or not ... does not matter to me

Kellogs, your diplomacy never fails to impress me.

[xebay11]

hey bro at least u know I'm just making a point. and I also stated TK is a nice area.

I'm just against that particular "prestigious" statement. I find it really says something abt one's character.

Bro, if living among landed properties in a landed private property estate is not prestigous in Singapore than what is?

It may not be the most prestigious landed estate in Singapore but if you take Singapore with 80% HDB public housing estates as a whole vs private property landed estate, TK is prestigious enough.

If you really do a research on Singapore history, you would know that TK was an area where many chinese towkays and business men used to live, google Singapore archive photos and search Telok Kurau, granted some houses are run down and the roads need some attention to rampant illegal parking but drive around QAP and you will also find some run down mansions as well, this is where the old rich never really caught up with the new rich.

[Regulators]

yeah...like anyone would believe ur crap . Negative points are welcome by anyone about telok kurau since i started the thread, but it is the way some people do it that turns one off, moreso the fact that we all know where you live. At least i can say that many boutique developments in telok kurau are moving (with exception of The Sound), but the only new development in hillview in the past few years (Hillvista) is already a flop from the start, so for the sake of argument, what can we say about hillview compared to telok kurau? I do not own any properties in the east but i can safely say telok kurau is a much better choice of investment and for own stay compared to hillview anytime. speaking of mozzies, i think the hills near hillview would be bringing on more of that.

Agreed fully . Beautiful area with no negative points at all. VERY attractive area. BUY. Best in Singapore. Happy can already.

[proud owner]

yeah...like anyone would believe ur crap . Negative points are welcome by anyone about telok kurau since i started the thread, but it is the way some people do it that turns one off, moreso the fact that we all know where you live. At least i can say that many boutique developments in telok kurau are moving (with exception of The Sound), but the only new development in hillview in the past few years (Hillvista) is already a flop from the start, so for the sake of argument, what can we say about hillview compared to telok kurau? I do not own any properties in the east but i can safely say telok kurau is a much better choice of investment and for own stay compared to hillview anytime. speaking of mozzies, i think the hills near hillview would be bringing on more of that.

ok

i am impartial ... i neither own Hillview..nor TK ..

for landed housing .. ignoring traffic, amenities ..

just the environment itself .. if i have to choose ONE between Hillview and TK .. my choice is Hillview ..

my reasons :

1.Hillview has more landed feel,

2. the road, lanes are cleaner, mainly semi D's in Hillview

3. Hillview is not a flat area..so i like the fact that some houses are on higher ground

4.TK has mainly inter terraces.. the land are longish .. meaning long drive way, long back yard ..if you tear down and rebuild.. you would want to take advantage by building more on the land.. hence the house also become longish .. and when u do that ..you MAY make enemies with your neighbours on your left and right side , as you now 'protrude' out ..and sort of able to 'look' into their house .. this has been an real case with 2 friends i know of living in TK

5. TK is indeed more crowded


6. due to 'straight' flat lanes/roads in TK, walking around seems longer and more boring TO ME, as oppose to walking along winding , sloping lanes in Hillview


NOTE

this is purely my personal opinions ...

[Regulators]

not sure about the landed feel in hillview where there are many tall condos there, namely hume park1/2, Century Mansions, Hillview Green, Hillview Heights, Hillington Green, upcoming Hillvista. The cluster with 99yr landed properties along hillview is quite small and limited compared to TK which is predominantly landed. the biggest turn off living is that hillview residents have to take a shuttle service to the bukit batok heartlands to share amenities with bukit batok hdb dwellers
who are much better equipped with amenities. At least i would think that TK residents do not need to feel that dependency towards hdb amenities in their day to day living.


i suppose the biggest draw to TK is the fact that it is near east coast beach and the laid back charm of the estate.

ok

i am impartial ... i neither own Hillview..nor TK ..

for landed housing .. ignoring traffic, amenities ..

just the environment itself .. if i have to choose ONE between Hillview and TK .. my choice is Hillview ..

my reasons :

1.Hillview has more landed feel,

2. the road, lanes are cleaner, mainly semi D's in Hillview

3. Hillview is not a flat area..so i like the fact that some houses are on higher ground

4.TK has mainly inter terraces.. the land are longish .. meaning long drive way, long back yard ..if you tear down and rebuild.. you would want to take advantage by building more on the land.. hence the house also become longish .. and when u do that ..you MAY make enemies with your neighbours on your left and right side , as you now 'protrude' out ..and sort of able to 'look' into their house .. this has been an real case with 2 friends i know of living in TK

5. TK is indeed more crowded


6. due to 'straight' flat lanes/roads in TK, walking around seems longer and more boring TO ME, as oppose to walking along winding , sloping lanes in Hillview


NOTE

this is purely my personal opinions ...

[jlrx]

zzz..so many agts ard...

Bro, I am RE Agent cum investor and helping others invest, find dream home only, make friends and enjoy property, don't really depend on it for income.

Not really lean and hungry, die die sales pitch type turn black to white type of agent.

Ok lah cons of TK is that it is not really classy place, compared to Frankel or Siglap. But good enough, as it is still mainly exclusive landed area.

Think about it, if TK was really very exclusive the prices would be

As mentioned before, "xebay11" is our undercover from CONDOsingapore.com.

Knowing "xebay11" family background, he won't need any income.

Maybe I should also sign up to become agent. I know quite a lot about properties too (I think more than some agents).

I think it should be quite fun to be an agent if you don't need to depend on closing sales to make a living, otherwise it'll be quite a stressful job.

Maybe I should just sign up to be part-time agent and anyone who comes to the showflat I'll preach to them PROPERTISM - Property prices always go up in the long term hence properties should only be bought and not sold.

Who knows, maybe I'll be so convincing that I become the top agent?

[Regulators]

then you will probably be serving only buyers. After the sellers sign on the OTP, you can call them goons...

Knowing "xebay11" family background, he won't need any income.

Maybe I should also sign up to become agent. I know quite a lot about properties too (I think more than some agents).

I think it should be quite fun to be an agent if you don't need to depend on closing sales to make a living, otherwise it'll be quite a stressful job.

Maybe I should just sign up to be part-time agent and anyone who comes to the showflat I'll preach to them PROPERTISM - Property prices always go up in the long term hence properties should only be bought and not sold.

Who knows, maybe I'll be so convincing that I become the top agent?

[proud owner]

not sure about the landed feel in hillview where there are many tall condos there, namely hume park1/2, Century Mansions, Hillview Green, Hillview Heights, Hillington Green, upcoming Hillvista. The cluster with 99yr landed properties along hillview is quite small and limited compared to TK which is predominantly landed. the biggest turn off living is that hillview residents have to take a shuttle service to the bukit batok heartlands to share amenities with bukit batok hdb dwellers
who are much better equipped with amenities. At least i would think that TK residents do not need to feel that dependency towards hdb amenities in their day to day living.


i suppose the biggest draw to TK is the fact that it is near east coast beach and the laid back charm of the estate.

i agree with you ..that Hillview has no real amenities .. compared to TK

if you are codsidering buying TK .. let me give you a real issue that my friend faces ..

he bought a corner unit 4500 sqft land ..
like i said the land is longish .. to make good use of his land ..he rebuilt ..and 'pulled' the front of the house more into the front garden .. even then, he can still park 4 cars..in a straight line ..so you can imagine how long it is ..

most houses there have longish land ... instead of squarish ..


in the process of his construction, he recvd many complains from his only neighbour, as my friend has a corner unit .. that his now longer house blocks the wind , resulting in their home being 'warmer' than before..

other complains from neighbour include : lost of privacy ..
as my friend's house is now longer than his adjoining neighbour .. his second floor balcony can now 'look' into the neighbour's bedroom .. when previously, they were level ...

they never talk since then ...

and if you buy an inter terrace and start to pull your house longer into the front drive way .. your house will look like a sore thumb .. now you have whole rows of angry neighbours ..complaining you spoil their look, block their wind ..

unless you intend to have a long drive way .. and keep the same 'level' facade as the rest of your neighbour ..then thats fine

i am not sure is my friend's case isolated .. but check around before you commit

[xebay11]

i agree with you ..that Hillview has no real amenities .. compared to TK

if you are codsidering buying TK .. let me give you a real issue that my friend faces ..

he bought a corner unit 4500 sqft land ..
like i said the land is longish .. to make good use of his land ..he rebuilt ..and 'pulled' the front of the house more into the front garden .. even then, he can still park 4 cars..in a straight line ..so you can imagine how long it is ..

most houses there have longish land ... instead of squarish ..


in the process of his construction, he recvd many complains from his only neighbour, as my friend has a corner unit .. that his now longer house blocks the wind , resulting in their home being 'warmer' than before..

other complains from neighbour include : lost of privacy ..
as my friend's house is now longer than his adjoining neighbour .. his second floor balcony can now 'look' into the neighbour's bedroom .. when previously, they were level ...

they never talk since then ...

and if you buy an inter terrace and start to pull your house longer into the front drive way .. your house will look like a sore thumb .. now you have whole rows of angry neighbours ..complaining you spoil their look, block their wind ..

unless you intend to have a long drive way .. and keep the same 'level' facade as the rest of your neighbour ..then thats fine

i am not sure is my friend's case isolated .. but check around before you commit

I think that happens in many landed estates too. Check out Tana Merah estate, many old house with longish plots too.

[xebay11]

Knowing "xebay11" family background, he won't need any income.

Maybe I should also sign up to become agent. I know quite a lot about properties too (I think more than some agents).

I think it should be quite fun to be an agent if you don't need to depend on closing sales to make a living, otherwise it'll be quite a stressful job.

Maybe I should just sign up to be part-time agent and anyone who comes to the showflat I'll preach to them PROPERTISM - Property prices always go up in the long term hence properties should only be bought and not sold.

Who knows, maybe I'll be so convincing that I become the top agent?

Haha not all so glamorous bro, spend many Sunday mornings 7.30 am standing next to a rubbish dump at the market distributing flyers, what an experience. Once even got scolded by the cleaner for distributing flyers as he had to clean the floor. Alot of character building and reality checks

[bullman]

Hi guys,

Since the thread is on whether TK is considered a value buy. The discussions have certainly gone way off tangent since someone with wings compared TK with other places.

In my opinion, the landed units in TK are value for money purchases. Point taken that the plot is longish etc and also the problem with antagonising your neighbors with the rebuilt etc.

For the past year, I have been knocking on the doors of many units and asked the owners directly if they wish to sell. Got scolded most of the time but there are some who is very willing to sell. I think they are from the "old rich", now struggling with maintaining a landed. In this cases, I offer a win-win price for both of us and the deal is done. They are very willing to deal directly with a buyer offering cash as downpayment as opposed to an agent knocking on their door. I only do minimal restoration etc and use IKEA furniture and then get the tenants in. I think the yield is really high at 8-10% gross. If we are looking from this angle, I think its value for money.

I wonder if I can do the same for landed in the west.

[jlrx]

then you will probably be serving only buyers. After the sellers sign on the OTP, you can call them goons...

Hence if I become agent I'll probably be in new project marketing.

Otherwise will starve to death, everytime after getting exclusive (which is the most difficult part), I tell the seller that properties should only be bought and not sold.

At least if I'm marketing new projects, I can tell the developers that they are fools to sell their properties to the public, at least they'll feel very flattered that they are doing the nation a great service.

Haha not all so glamorous bro, spend many Sunday mornings 7.30 am standing next to a rubbish dump at the market distributing flyers, what an experience. Once even got scolded by the cleaner for distributing flyers as he had to clean the floor. Alot of character building and reality checks

Every profession which has sky as its limits will never be easy.

The university of life offers valuable lessons that schools can never match.

Hi guys,

Since the thread is on whether TK is considered a value buy. The discussions have certainly gone way off tangent since someone with wings compared TK with other places.

In my opinion, the landed units in TK are value for money purchases. Point taken that the plot is longish etc and also the problem with antagonising your neighbors with the rebuilt etc.

For the past year, I have been knocking on the doors of many units and asked the owners directly if they wish to sell. Got scolded most of the time but there are some who is very willing to sell.

Huh?

Isn't it easier to just look up the classifieds?

I think you can get a better price from someone who is already planning to sell, than someone who is not even thinking of selling in the first place.

[bullman]

Huh?

Isn't it easier to just look up the classifieds?

I think you can get a better price from someone who is already planning to sell, than someone who is not even thinking of selling in the first place.

I think the main difference is between paying retail price through the classifieds and wholesaling price through direct negotiations. More importantly, I control the conditions and terms of entry into the purchase which is critical in landed play.

Point taken that its much harder to convince them to sell if they are not thinking of it, but its still possible to find those that are willing. We are not looking at buying up the whole Telok Kurau.

[Wolverine23]

very soon, the value of Telok Kurau will be recognised. simply too cheap to be true!

[silver023]

very soon, the value of Telok Kurau will be recognised. simply too cheap to be true!

Is it still cheap now? Mostly asking $900+ psf, a few asking $1.1K+ and saw a $1.2K psf few days back. Thought price is quite high already.

But I will have no complaints if prices here go up further