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    breath taking sea view? breath taking cranes at work view is more apt description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East Coast Boy, 10 March 2010 8.36 pm
    Just heard that Horizon in Pasir Panjang will be launching at more than 1500psf ! I banged my head for not grabbing a unit in Maylea

    Is this true ???
    So when is this $1,500-psf Horizon Residences launching?

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    I've got a price of S$1.4M for a 2 bed room.
    I will need to borrow money to invest.
    Is it worth it?

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    The Peak is only selling at S$1.2M for 2 bed room in the open market. (The MCL initial price was S$0.9M).

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    One set back about this project the entrance is on top of the pp hill. No small gate along pp road according to the draft. Need to walk a long way to mrt & busstop unlike [email protected] and parc imperial.

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    Will have good leg muscles staying there. How about cars then? It is rather steep to pay such high $psf.

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    What is the % are you borrowing?

    Quote Originally Posted by richwang
    I've got a price of S$1.4M for a 2 bed room.
    I will need to borrow money to invest.
    Is it worth it?


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    The Peak is only selling at S$1.2M for 2 bed room in the open market. (The MCL initial price was S$0.9M).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PropertiesHunter
    One set back about this project the entrance is on top of the pp hill. No small gate along pp road according to the draft. Need to walk a long way to mrt & busstop unlike [email protected] and parc imperial.
    Was at west coast plaza today and those FEO staff are there. there is a side gate to pasir panjang road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gohsoonk
    What is the % are you borrowing?
    The new offer is S$1.3M for 2 bed room. But all the 2 bed rooms are facing uphill. Sea view 3 bed room would cost S$1.7M. I need to borrow 70% - 80%. That's too risky.
    China property market is peaking - most state-owned companies are ordered to exit property market by the Government. That normally hints a near peak.
    If China property market starts to come down, it will ripple to Hong Kong, and maybe Singapore.

    I really don't feel comfortable to buy now. If the interest rates start to hike, a 2 bedder could be prepared to drop to S$1M.

    ... or maybe I will miss the boat and will NEVER get a chance to buy in future. Anyone believes a 2 bedder can cost S$2M in 5 or 10 years' time?

    It's so hard to find bargain now - be it property or stocks.

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    PS. I am sure there will be a side door to access the train station. Just look at West-N, etc. There must be members in the family not driving. So that's not my concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwang, 21 March 2010 10.58 pm
    The new offer is S$1.3M for 2 bed room. But all the 2 bed rooms are facing uphill. Sea view 3 bed room would cost S$1.7M. I need to borrow 70% - 80%. That's too risky.
    China property market is peaking - most state-owned companies are ordered to exit property market by the Government. That normally hints a near peak.
    If China property market starts to come down, it will ripple to Hong Kong, and maybe Singapore.

    I really don't feel comfortable to buy now. If the interest rates start to hike, a 2 bedder could be prepared to drop to S$1M.

    ... or maybe I will miss the boat and will NEVER get a chance to buy in future. Anyone believes a 2 bedder can cost S$2M in 5 or 10 years' time?

    It's so hard to find bargain now - be it property or stocks.

    Thanks,
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    PS. I am sure there will be a side door to access the train station. Just look at West-N, etc. There must be members in the family not driving. So that's not my concern.
    "... China property market is peaking - most state-owned companies are ordered to exit property market by the Government. ..."
    Do you mean "ordered to exit" or "ordered to enter"?

    What you mentioned differs from what is happening on the Chinese ground.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reuters

    Land prices smash records in Beijing property frenzy
    Aileen Wang, Zhou Xin and Simon Rabinovitch
    Reuters
    Beijing, China
    Tuesday, 16 March 2010, 6.45 pm CCT

    2 land sales in Beijing have shattered price records and both buyers were state-owned companies, sparking outrage and astonishment at the city's frothy property market.

    The soaring land prices came as worries have mounted about a housing bubble in China, though economists said that the latest auction prices reflected peculiarities of the Beijing market and did not necessarily point to nationwide trouble.

    China has tweaked taxes and stiffened mortgage rules in recent months to cool housing prices and analysts think it may hold off on further property curbs for a while amid signs that these earlier measures have had some success.

    But many in the market think the country's 3rd increase this year of banks' required reserves is imminent to counter broader inflationary pressures.

    A plot of residential land in Dongsheng, a 15-minute drive from the center of Beijing, was auctioned for 28,000 yuan (US$4,100) psm, the highest price ever paid in the city -- and just a fraction below the area's average house price.

    At a separate auction, a 185,000-sqm block of residential land deep in suburbia in Yizhuang went for 5.25 billion yuan (US$769 million), the most ever paid in a single land transaction in Beijing.

    An added wrinkle was that in both cases the buyers were state-owned enterprises (SOEs).

    China Ordnance Equipment Group Corporation, a military company, bought the Dongsheng land. CITIC Group, the country's largest financial conglomerate and one which is directly led by the State Council, China's cabinet, bought the Yizhuang plot.

    "The SOEs get even wilder. A crazy day for the Beijing land market" screamed the headline of the Chinese-language 21st Century Business Herald.

    Private developers have complained that the deck was stacked in favor of state-run firms in Beijing's land auctions because the city required bidders to have registered assets that far outstrip those of some of the biggest listed property companies.

    Liu Liyong, a research director at E-House China, a leading real estate service company, said state firms benefit from a close relationship with the government as well as vast capital bases.

    "That's why the SOEs can always win the land auctions," Liu said.
    Property prices across China rose 10.7 percent in February from a ye
    ar earlier, though prices have increased far more steeply in certain segments of the market, such as high-end housing in top cities like Beijing and Shanghai.

    Land prices have been even hotter, more than doubling over the past year.

    Feng Ke, a finance and property professor at Beijing University, said it was only natural for prices to rocket in the capital.

    "Land demand far exceeds supply because of the accelerating progress of urbanization," Feng said.

    "Besides, the cost for primary developers in preparing a piece of land, including expenses in relocating residents and land clearance, has also increased in recent years, so it is understandable that land can be sold at such a high price."

    But the country's most successful private property developers have been sidelined in the process.

    SOHO China, whose avant-garde buildings have made an indelible mark on the center of Beijing, sat out the auctions.

    SOHO chairman Pan Shiyi chided Ren Zhiqiang, chairman of Huayuan Property and China's best-paid property tycoon, for his failed bid, saying there was no point in battling against state-backed firms.

    "Mr. Ren did not listen to me, and paid hundreds of millions of yuan in deposits to participate in the bidding," Pan wrote on his blog. "It is not spending money for land but for shame."

    Ren replied that he would persevere.

    "At least, we are still there," he wrote. "Mr. Pan has no guts to even get in. The auction system has killed all of Pan's confidence and courage."

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    "... China property market is peaking - most state-owned companies are ordered to exit property market by the Government. ..."
    Do you mean "ordered to exit" or "ordered to enter"?

    What you mentioned differs from what is happening on the Chinese ground.
    Your quote is dated back to Mar 16. We are now in Mar 21.
    Could you check the latest report and come back again? It should read something like "apart from 12 full time property companies, the rest of 70+ state-owned companies are ordered to exit the property market".

    It immediately happened precisely because of the record prices reached mentioned in your "old" report.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwang
    Your quote is dated back to Mar 16. We are now in Mar 21.
    Could you check the latest report and come back again? It should read something like "apart from 12 full time property companies, the rest of 70+ state-owned companies are ordered to exit the property market".

    It immediately happened precisely because of the record prices reached mentioned in your "old" report.

    Thanks,
    Here we go. You can find lots more.

    http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9...2/6924396.html

    Beijing rushes to curb housing bubble



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    China's authorities, apparently trying to allay rising complaints about housing prices and an urban land selling spree, decided Thursday to close door on State-owned enterprises purchasing land and engaging in property development.

    More than 70 State-owned firms are being ordered to unwind their real estate business, once their current development projects are completed, a spokesman from the State Council's State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission told reporters in Beijing.

    One day after China's Premier Wen Jiabao vowed at a press conference held upon the closing of the annual National People's Congress on March 14, in the capital city of Beijing, three plots of land earmarked for housing development were auctioned and their prices topped at record highs at the hammer.

    The voracious appetite for land in cities like Beijing and Shanghai where housing prices have already soared by strides and are not affordable by most ordinary residents, immediately caused an uproar and fierce criticism on the Internet chat-rooms.

    The super-wealthy State-owned enterprises, which are administered by the Beijing Central Government, are blamed for firing up the land acquisition frenzy, which is sure to push up housing prices further.

    According to The Beijing News, a local newspaper, the three firms that bid the highest, with an aggregate price tag of 11 billion yuan (US$1.6 billion), are all State-owned large enterprises. One tract of the land, located in Wangjing, northeast the city, sold for 27,000 yuan (US$3,970) per square meter, even higher than the price of finished apartments in the area.

    Dangerous Asset Bubbles

    Without specifying a date, the State Council's commission in charge of more than 120 mega State-owned enterprises, ruled that 78 state companies, whose main businesses were not property development, will be put under "adjustment and restructuring” as soon as their current projects under development are accomplished, said commission spokesman Du Yuan-quan at a press conference held on Thursday.

    However, 16 central government-run enterprises approved by the commission in 2003 to mainly operate in the real estate sector, will remain in the business, Du said. The 16 companies' net profit was 18.8 billion yuan in 2009.

    In another government move to curtail land prices, the Ministry of Land and Resources, also under the State Council, decreed last week that realty developers pay a 50 percent down payment on land acquisitions within a month of signing a contract.

    China's ordinary urban residents have complained hard that home prices have been rising out of their reach, despite a set of government policies to rein in speculation and asset bubbles. The National Bureau of Statistics said that housing prices increased by 10.7 percent in February from a year earlier.

    Some Chinese analysts say that a large proportion of the government's 4-trillion-yuan (US$586 billion) stimulus spending plan has gone to State-owned enterprises, but many of which poured the money into the property market, creating an imminent housing sector bubble in the country in 2009. Some SOEs have grabbed enormous profits in the property sector because their official background makes them easier to obtain land and bank loans.

    Economists have cautioned the central government of growing risks posed by the real estate bubbles, which if burst, might trigger the American-style mortgage crisis, dealing a blow to the country's banking system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reuters

    China's order on SOEs to help key property developers
    Lee Chyen Yee
    Reuters
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    Friday, 19 March 2010

    China's plans to ask some state firms whose core business is not property to exit the sector will likely benefit major developers by helping consolidate the industry, analysts said on Friday.

    China's latest order came days after a state military company and a financial conglomerate bought two pieces of land in Beijing at record-high prices, sparking market worries that the property market was getting out of hand.

    On Friday, Shanghai and Hong Kong property indices inched up. A-shares of China Vanke, the biggest Chinese residential developer by sales, rose as investors welcomed the order aimed at curbing land prices.

    "This is administrative interference to the business of the SOEs (state-owned enterprises)," said Lee Hing Yin, research director at Colliers International. "The measure is in response to high land prices."

    "This is one way to rein in property prices at their source by controlling land prices," Lee said.

    China's real estate sector is booming, enticing many firms to venture into the business to take advantage of high prices. In February, urban property prices rose 10.7% from a year earlier, the fastest pace in almost 2 years.

    Chinese leaders have tried verbal persuasion to try to curb prices over the past few months, with analysts expecting more specific measures to be announced if words had little impact.

    On Thursday, the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission said it would require 78 centrally administration SOEs whose core business was not in real estate to withdraw from the business, but did not state a timeframe.

    "If the government bans these companies from the real estate business, it will be beneficial to the existing players, especially the listed companies like China Overseas Land, said Adrian Ngan, an analyst at CCB International Securities.

    "The impact will be positive because in the future, some of the players will be eliminated and that will mean less competition," Ngan said.

    Even though the move is seen as positive for existing developers, the boost in sales or earnings might be muted as property SOEs still make up the bulk of total property sales and assets among state firms.

    The commission said there were now 16 property SOEs with total assets of 561.6 billion yuan ($83 billion), representing 85% of SOEs' total property assets. Sales of SOEs dedicated to the real estate sector account for 86% of the total property sales of all government-owned firms.
    "richwang", you are right. I just read that piece of news.


    Nevertheless, I disagree with your statement "China property market is peaking - most state-owned companies are ordered to exit property market by the Government. That normally hints a near peak.

    If China property market starts to come down ..."

    The Chinese government is not trying to bring down the market. It is trying to ensure (aka support) that the property market has a stable growth by eliminating (aka kill) any explosive rise which is unhealthy.

    While it has every reason to support the market, it has no reason to bring down the market.


    Anyway, you have your points and I have mine too. Let's allow the market be our judge. You may be right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Business Insider

    Wen JiaBao Promises To Kill Bubbles While Supporting Asset Prices
    Vincent Fernando
    Business Insider
    Monday, 1 March 2010



    One wonders if the Chinese government is setting its citizens expectations dangerously high right now.

    According to Xinhua, Wen Jiabao staged a chat with Chinese 'netizens' whereby he promised to keep inflation under control and prevent a housing bubble.

    Thing is, we're pretty sure that the government is expected to support housing values and stock markets at the same time. While keeping the yuan pegged at a competitive rate vs. the dollar of course.

    Obviously China has gotten away with setting pretty high economic expectations for quite some time already, but it seems as if almost every economic variable is now expected to be under the deliberate control of the government.

    This is great for public relations while the economy is humming along, but one as to wonder if these government economic guarantees will one day come back to bite, hard. Maybe they should learn the importance of 'under-promising, over-delivering' rather than over-promising and then simply hoping for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut
    Was at west coast plaza today and those FEO staff are there. there is a side gate to pasir panjang road.
    not sure how the side gate works. its sandwich between other developments, unless one has to walk down the slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PropertiesHunter
    One set back about this project the entrance is on top of the pp hill. No small gate along pp road according to the draft. Need to walk a long way to mrt & busstop unlike [email protected] and parc imperial.
    There's a sidegate along Pasir Panjang Rd. Less than 2min walk to Haw Par Villa MRT station (opening next year) and the bus stop opposite Barossa Gardens. Bus services available are 10, 30, 51, 143, 175, 188, 200.




    Personally, I prefer those 2 bedders along Pasir Panjang Hill.

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    btw, I've also posted pictures of the showflat here.

    There's a 2 level basement carpark. So, take a lift to B2 and walk towards the sidegate to Pasir Panjang Road.

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    I notice that D5 condo especially the Pasir Panjang Areas after the juction of Versity Park, prices up very fast in the last 2 years. This place used to be a deserted area for some while others mistook as Bukit Panjang. Whats the reasons for the fast increase, can anyone share?

    Any potential to invest in this area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattydrama
    I notice that D5 condo especially the Pasir Panjang Areas after the juction of Versity Park, prices up very fast in the last 2 years. This place used to be a deserted area for some while others mistook as Bukit Panjang. Whats the reasons for the fast increase, can anyone share?

    Any potential to invest in this area?

    It is partly due to the 2 IRs that are pretty close, also near to town and the rental yield since near to NUS, Science PK, One North etc.

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    Further to that, older condos in the area were enbloc-ed and redeveloped resulting to higher transaction prices.

    CCL Haw Par Villa station will open next year (Don't think the Government built a station there for fun. There should potentially be plots of land around it for further development. I could think of YESS Centre, the Pasir Panjang Wholesale Centre and Haw Par Villa etc).


    Condos around the station are freehold. I think that's a strong point for long term investment.


    There's also a high possibility of the extension of CCL from Harbourfront to Marina Bay given the announcement of a masterplan to develop Tanjong Pagar port to a waterfront city. If Tanjong Pagar and Pasir Panjang ports can be consolidated at Tuas in the next 20 to 30 years' time, the upside potential can then be strongly felt.

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    Horizon Residences set benchmark for the Haw Par area, and pushed up asking prices for condos like Peak @ Balmeg.

    Also Pender Court nearer Vivocity went en bloc at over 1k ppr. New launch will have to be over 1.5k psf.
    So with Horizon Residences fetching 1.3k+ psf, everything between these two developments will be pushed up.

    High rentals (NUS, Biopolis etc), Sentosa IR, and up-coming MRT Circle lines are some of the reasons.

    There a few projects along this stretch (P Panjang MRT to Haw Par MRT) that are potential en bloc targets in future e.g. Island View , Pepys Hill Condo etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn108
    Horizon Residences set benchmark for the Haw Par area, and pushed up asking prices for condos like Peak @ Balmeg.

    Also Pender Court nearer Vivocity went en bloc at over 1k ppr. New launch will have to be over 1.5k psf.
    So with Horizon Residences fetching 1.3k+ psf, everything between these two developments will be pushed up.

    High rentals (NUS, Biopolis etc), Sentosa IR, and up-coming MRT Circle lines are some of the reasons.

    There a few projects along this stretch (P Panjang MRT to Haw Par MRT) that are potential en bloc targets in future e.g. Island View , Pepys Hill Condo etc

    island view and pepys hll will be tough to be enbloced

    Island view are mostly foreign owners ..they have resisted enbloc internally many many times over .. cos they simply love the size and surrounding and truly understand that they can never find a location in spore like it .. so DONT bang on it .. i have friends in there ..

    Pepys hill sits on a slope .. the land itself is very small .. not much chance really ..

    these 2 projects are truly one of its kind .. together with The Peak ( not balmeg) ... they are the true gems of pasir panjang

    if u are thinkin of enbloc for the 2 u mentioned .. my advise is ... dont bang on it ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyacinthus
    Further to that, older condos in the area were enbloc-ed and redeveloped resulting to higher transaction prices.

    CCL Haw Par Villa station will open next year (Don't think the Government built a station there for fun. There should potentially be plots of land around it for further development. I could think of YESS Centre, the Pasir Panjang Wholesale Centre and Haw Par Villa etc).


    Condos around the station are freehold. I think that's a strong point for long term investment.


    There's also a high possibility of the extension of CCL from Harbourfront to Marina Bay given the announcement of a masterplan to develop Tanjong Pagar port to a waterfront city. If Tanjong Pagar and Pasir Panjang ports can be consolidated at Tuas in the next 20 to 30 years' time, the upside potential can then be strongly felt.

    20-30 years, like that my neck very long leh. In the case, it could be better to put my money in Jurong Lake District at least is like 15 years.

    In 20 years time, Woodlands could also be developed with water front features less the port.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner
    island view and pepys hll will be tough to be enbloced

    Island view are mostly foreign owners ..they have resisted enbloc internally many many times over .. cos they simply love the size and surrounding and truly understand that they can never find a location in spore like it .. so DONT bang on it .. i have friends in there ..

    Pepys hill sits on a slope .. the land itself is very small .. not much chance really ..

    these 2 projects are truly one of its kind .. together with The Peak ( not balmeg) ... they are the true gems of pasir panjang

    if u are thinkin of enbloc for the 2 u mentioned .. my advise is ... dont bang on it ...
    Potentially what are the old projects likely to be en-bloc along Pasir Panjang Road?

    I quite like this place becos there is No HDB flats and high rise buildings along the pasir panjang road, it gives an exclusive feel as mostly all condos are low laying about 6 storey high & freehold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattydrama
    Potentially what are the old projects likely to be en-bloc along Pasir Panjang Road?

    I quite like this place becos there is No HDB flats and high rise buildings along the pasir panjang road, it gives an exclusive feel as mostly all condos are low laying about 6 storey high & freehold.
    developers may eye Island view and flynn park

    but owners very unwilling to be enbloc


    frangrance court .. is possible ..

    so is Gloria mansion

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    flynn park got gd potential for enbloc...but i cant fish out any gd deals since last yr lows...lol and asking prices up and uppppp

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    flynn park got gd potential for enbloc...but i cant fish out any gd deals since last yr lows...lol and asking prices up and uppppp
    u know my story right ?

    i bought a unit 2100 sqft at 900k .. gave cheque ..everything done ..
    stupid agent held on to the check .. couldnt get hold of owner ( as they lived oversea) ...waited 1 week ..by then owner changed their mind ..

    somehow they advertised 850k kept moving price ..until i hit at 900k still ran away .. now 2.1 mio

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    ouch! so painful...when was that? judging @2.1m if it is going to en-bloc, how much can pocket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattydrama
    ouch! so painful...when was that? judging @2.1m if it is going to en-bloc, how much can pocket?
    that was in 06 ...

    2.1 mio = 1000 psf ..

    u judge ..

    to enbloc at least 1500 psf otherwise owner not keen ..

    at 1500 psf .. develoerps will have to sell at least 2000 psf ( 300 psf const cost + 200 psf profit margin)

    2000 psf for the new condo at pasir panjang ??? then orchard will be 5000 psf ... will take years for PP to reach 2000 psf ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattydrama
    ouch! so painful...when was that? judging @2.1m if it is going to en-bloc, how much can pocket?
    if u really want to buy for enbloc ..

    look at Vista park .. 99 LH ..land huge ..alot of empty space .. very nice surrounding .. i feel that one more potential ...

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