Flat prices will rise but still be affordable

[proud owner]

garment says want to cool off property prices but yet HDB boiling hot...or is it priced at future pricing 2013 completion date? Up Up & away

its not the price ... its the SIZE


105 sqm = 1129 sqft for a 5 rm HDB ? thats 4 bedroom + living room ..

assuming total 5 bedroom .. thats about 226 sqft per room ..and i havent even added kitchen

thats MM size all over again ...

if its a studio for 1 person .. understandable ..
this HDB is 4 studios put together .. 4 persons means 4 times more the clutters ..

aiyo ..how to live ?

[Regulators]

after what MM said about hdb prices rising with the economy, how can hdb prices go down? govt wont let hdb prices go down coz they want our economy to improve which can only mean rising hdb prices. Also, everyone got to give MM face....

garment says want to cool off property prices but yet HDB boiling hot...or is it priced at future pricing 2013 completion date? Up Up & away

[proud owner]

after what MM said about hdb prices rising with the economy, how can hdb prices go down? govt wont let hdb prices go down coz they want our economy to improve which can only mean rising hdb prices. Also, everyone got to give MM face....

as he gets older ... i find his face looks more and more like a monkey ...

[Regulators]

I think he is a strong advocate for darwinism...

as he gets older ... i find his face looks more and more like a monkey ...

[maisonjai]

as he gets older ... i find his face looks more and more like a monkey ...

haha...more like slowly turning into wax soon

[xebay11]

its not the price ... its the SIZE


105 sqm = 1129 sqft for a 5 rm HDB ? thats 4 bedroom + living room ..

assuming total 5 bedroom .. thats about 226 sqft per room ..and i havent even added kitchen

thats MM size all over again ...

if its a studio for 1 person .. understandable ..
this HDB is 4 studios put together .. 4 persons means 4 times more the clutters ..

aiyo ..how to live ?

5 room flat is 4 bedrooms? I thought 3?

[Cactus72]

5 room flat is 4 bedrooms? I thought 3?

5-bedrm unit for HDB refers to 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm. Executive unit comes with 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm + 1 study rm/bedrm.

In the past (1970s), 5 bedrm units were those 25-storey point block with size of 125sqm. Then slowly those 5bedrm units becomes 110sqm. And now, it is going to 105sqm and lower. Gahmen is satisfying its citizen who wants to own 5-bedrm unit with affordability by reducing the size of units instead, with slight increase in price. Hence, 5 bedrm unit at this prime location doesn't appear too expensive as the size of unit has been reduced.

[proud owner]

5-bedrm unit for HDB refers to 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm. Executive unit comes with 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm + 1 study rm/bedrm.

In the past (1970s), 5 bedrm units were those 25-storey point block with size of 125sqm. Then slowly those 5bedrm units becomes 110sqm. And now, it is going to 105sqm and lower. Gahmen is satisfying its citizen who wants to own 5-bedrm unit with affordability by reducing the size of units instead, with slight increase in price. Hence, 5 bedrm unit at this prime location doesn't appear too expensive as the size of unit has been reduced.

so not expensive ?

its like selling chicken rice with rice and chilli only..and no chicken .. and keep the price at $2.50- 3.00 ... so is this plate of chicken rice cheap
if it is sold in prime location, in an ION restuarant ??

[xebay11]

5-bedrm unit for HDB refers to 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm. Executive unit comes with 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm + 1 study rm/bedrm.

In the past (1970s), 5 bedrm units were those 25-storey point block with size of 125sqm. Then slowly those 5bedrm units becomes 110sqm. And now, it is going to 105sqm and lower. Gahmen is satisfying its citizen who wants to own 5-bedrm unit with affordability by reducing the size of units instead, with slight increase in price. Hence, 5 bedrm unit at this prime location doesn't appear too expensive as the size of unit has been reduced.

I never saw the dining room as a room at all, all I know is that if you enter a HDB and don't see a dining table in the kitchen it means 5 room and bigger flat.....dining room my ass.

[Regulators]

105sqm is the size of a 4A model. Some old model 4rm flats can go to as big as 120sqm (including recess area). New model 4A is just 84-90sqm and 5A a tiny 110sqm, really pathetic.

5-bedrm unit for HDB refers to 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm. Executive unit comes with 3 bedrms + 1 living rm + 1 dining rm + 1 study rm/bedrm.

In the past (1970s), 5 bedrm units were those 25-storey point block with size of 125sqm. Then slowly those 5bedrm units becomes 110sqm. And now, it is going to 105sqm and lower. Gahmen is satisfying its citizen who wants to own 5-bedrm unit with affordability by reducing the size of units instead, with slight increase in price. Hence, 5 bedrm unit at this prime location doesn't appear too expensive as the size of unit has been reduced.

[xebay11]

105sqm is the size of a 4A model. Some old model 4rm flats can go to as big as 120sqm (including recess area). New model 4A is just 84-90sqm and 5A a tiny 110sqm, really pathetic.

But many condos these days are even smaller.

[august]

But many condos these days are even smaller.

hence for own buy older condos, or big units

[Regulators]

small condo in a good location in the central still okay (i.e. Orchard or D1), but small condo in the suburbs like Jurong is terrible. Imagine living in a low floor tiny condo unit in an already terok and ulu location, the person who buys that is an ultimate goon.....

But many condos these days are even smaller.

[jlrx]

In the past (1970s), 5 bedrm units were those 25-storey point block with size of 125sqm. Then slowly those 5bedrm units becomes 110sqm.

its like selling chicken rice with rice and chilli only..and no chicken .. and keep the price at $2.50- 3.00 ... so is this plate of chicken rice cheap??

105sqm is the size of a 4A model. Some old model 4rm flats can go to as big as 120sqm (including recess area). New model 4A is just 84-90sqm and 5A a tiny 110sqm, really pathetic.

But many condos these days are even smaller.

[gfoo]

small condo in a good location in the central still okay (i.e. Orchard or D1), but small condo in the suburbs like Jurong is terrible. Imagine living in a low floor tiny condo unit in an already terok and ulu location, the person who buys that is an ultimate goon.....

i drove past centris today - unfortunately you are absolutely right. right smack in a super ulu place with acrid smell in the air - and it looks like the painted walls may not stand the test of time what with the bus terminal and acid rain. is the residents carpark shared with jurong point? traffic there is horrendous

[Reporter]

国家发展部（MND）：保持8000元申请组屋总月入顶限（income ceiling）不变（unchanged）
蔡永伟
早报星期天
星期天, 20-12-2009


政府组屋价格上涨。（档案照片）

尽管不断上涨的屋价引起民众再度提出调高申请新组屋8000元家庭总月入顶限的诉求，国家发展部昨天重申，这个月入顶限将维持不变。

内阁资政李光耀最近有关屋价将不断升值的讲话，加上建屋发展局前几天在女皇镇杜生（Dawson）推出相信是历来最贵的66万4000元组屋（$664,000 HDB flat），再度使节节攀升的房价和维持不变的申请新组屋家庭月入顶限，成为城中热门话题。

针对民众要求政府调高月入顶限的呼声，国家发展部（MND）昨天下午回复《联合早报》询问时重申，政府目前将不会调整月入顶限，而是通过慷慨的购屋津贴制度，确保人民继续负担得起组屋。

它解释说：“由于资源有限，我们得决定如何最好地分配这些津贴，而我们通过月入顶限这么做。”

国家发展部指出，政府也定期检讨月入顶限，确保绝大多数的新加坡人符合申请购屋津贴的条件。

[Regulators]

Hi Reporter, Thanks for updating us with the news, but since this is English-based forum, could you kindly post more English articles coz quite tiring having to trudge through those Chinese characters.

国家发展部（MND）：保持8000元申请组屋总月入顶限（income ceiling）不变（unchanged）
蔡永伟
早报星期天
星期天, 20-12-2009


政府组屋价格上涨。（档案照片）

尽管不断上涨的屋价引起民众再度提出调高申请新组屋8000元家庭总月入顶限的诉求，国家发展部昨天重申，这个月入顶限将维持不变。

内阁资政李光耀最近有关屋价将不断升值的讲话，加上建屋发展局前几天在女皇镇杜生（Dawson）推出相信是历来最贵的66万4000元组屋（$664,000 HDB flat），再度使节节攀升的房价和维持不变的申请新组屋家庭月入顶限，成为城中热门话题。

针对民众要求政府调高月入顶限的呼声，国家发展部（MND）昨天下午回复《联合早报》询问时重申，政府目前将不会调整月入顶限，而是通过慷慨的购屋津贴制度，确保人民继续负担得起组屋。

它解释说：“由于资源有限，我们得决定如何最好地分配这些津贴，而我们通过月入顶限这么做。”

国家发展部指出，政府也定期检讨月入顶限，确保绝大多数的新加坡人符合申请购屋津贴的条件。

[Laguna]

haha...more like slowly turning into wax soon

Please give due respect.

[Laguna]

as he gets older ... i find his face looks more and more like a monkey ...

Pl give due respect

[proud owner]

Pl give due respect

but its true ...

strangely he looks more and more like a monkey

what has respect to do with it ?

you mean you would tell a lie ? or not say what it really is ..just for Respect ? in your own definition ?


gosh ...

pls go read the book 'Kill the messenger"

in olden days ... the messengers only told the king what he wanted to hear ... and in the end .. even when the enemy attacked the kingdom .. the king was still unaware ...

simple becos of messengers like you

[proud owner]

Pl give due respect

dont you think there is some resemblance ?

[xebay11]

Respect is earned, not given.

[proud owner]

Respect is earned, not given.

Totally ...


and to Laguna ... whether or not i respect him .. does not change my view of what he looks like ..

If I were to lie about my view, just to show respect to him, I am sure he would lose respect for me ... or respect for anyone who does not speak his mind .. or people who sucks up

Laguna : if I say he looks like Brad (s)pitt, am I showing respect ??

[Regulators]

So you are simply saying you respect him for his achievements but can disrespect him by likening his appearance to an ape and assuming he will disrespect you if you had not been truthful about this? If he is a strong Darwin believer, hewill probably agree with you, but if he isn't, he will treat that as an insult. Whether he respects you for saying that boils down to his beliefs.

Totally ...


and to Laguna ... whether or not i respect him .. does not change my view of what he looks like ..

If I were to lie about my view, just to show respect to him, I am sure he would lose respect for me ... or respect for anyone who does not speak his mind .. or people who sucks up

Laguna : if I say he looks like Brad (s)pitt, am I showing respect ??

[proud owner]

So you are simply saying you respect him for his achievements but can disrespect him by likening his appearance to an ape and assuming he will disrespect you if you had not been truthful about this? If he is a strong Darwin believer, hewill probably agree with you, but if he isn't, he will treat that as an insult. Whether he respects you for saying that boils down to his beliefs.

when one's appearance is ugly ... he is ugly .. he would know that himself ..

just becos i say it ,,does not mean disrespectful ..

if you hold you little child to shake hand with him ..and the child commented .. you look like a monkey ..

is that disrespectful ?

just becos coming from an adult makes the difference ?

children can be innocent, and adult should lie ?

[Regulators]

adults are expected to have social graces but kids are not expected of it to the same extent as that coming from an adult. Imagine you go to a family party with all your relatives there and you start walking around naming your relatives as characters from the zoo and you justify your statements by telling them your comments were childlike innocent, put yourself in their shoes, what would they be thinking about you? They would probably think you need a psychiatric evaluation. You would probably exercise refrain from calling anyone in your family an ape coz they mean something to you. Likewise, the MM do mean something to a lot of Singaporeans especially the fact that he has transformed Singapore from third world to first world, so even if certain things are obvious, people exercise restraint when. i am not trying to say I am all for everything that he has done, but I am not all against him. I respect JB and Chee Soon Juan just as much as I respect MM, coz they are great in their own way.

when one's appearance is ugly ... he is ugly .. he would know that himself ..

just becos i say it ,,does not mean disrespectful ..

if you hold you little child to shake hand with him ..and the child commented .. you look like a monkey ..

is that disrespectful ?

just becos coming from an adult makes the difference ?

children can be innocent, and adult should lie ?

[proud owner]

adults are expected to have social graces but kids are not expected of it to the same extent as that coming from an adult. Imagine you go to a family party with all your relatives there and you start walking around naming your relatives as characters from the zoo and you justify your statements by telling them your comments were childlike innocent, put yourself in their shoes, what would they be thinking about you? They would probably think you need a psychiatric evaluation. You would probably exercise refrain from calling anyone in your family an ape coz they mean something to you. Likewise, the MM do mean something to a lot of Singaporeans especially the fact that he has transformed Singapore from third world to first world, so even if certain things are obvious, people exercise restraint when. i am not trying to say I am all for everything that he has done, but I am not all against him. I respect JB and Chee Soon Juan just as much as I respect MM, coz they are great in their own way.

talking about first world


spore is the only first world country in the world thats still collecting TV license

[proud owner]

adults are expected to have social graces but kids are not expected of it to the same extent as that coming from an adult. Imagine you go to a family party with all your relatives there and you start walking around naming your relatives as characters from the zoo and you justify your statements by telling them your comments were childlike innocent, put yourself in their shoes, what would they be thinking about you? They would probably think you need a psychiatric evaluation. You would probably exercise refrain from calling anyone in your family an ape coz they mean something to you. Likewise, the MM do mean something to a lot of Singaporeans especially the fact that he has transformed Singapore from third world to first world, so even if certain things are obvious, people exercise restraint when. i am not trying to say I am all for everything that he has done, but I am not all against him. I respect JB and Chee Soon Juan just as much as I respect MM, coz they are great in their own way.

by the way chimpanzee is the most intelligent primate ..
equivalent to human ...

[Regulators]

i never bother paying coz nobody bothers collecting from me. maybe becoz i move house so often.

talking about first world


spore is the only first world country in the world thats still collecting TV license

[jlrx]

Imagine you go to a family party with all your relatives there and you start walking around naming your relatives as characters from the zoo and you justify your statements by telling them your comments were childlike innocent

How do you know proud owner is not a child?