Hundred Trees (Former Hong Leong Garden @West Coast Drive)

[amk]

Hong Kong has already hit S$6,000 psf (HK$30,025 psf).

sorry that's cheap.

it's already HK$75,000 psf, for this project: http://www.thecullinan.com.hk/

(SHK just raised price by 50% last month.)

[Reporter]

sorry that's cheap.

it's already HK$75,000 psf, for this project: http://www.thecullinan.com.hk/

(SHK just raised price by 50% last month.)

Thanks for adding that.

I think the S$15,000-psf (HK$75,000-psf) penthouses has not been sold yet. Nevertheless, it's only a matter of time before the Chinese lay their hands on them.

[new2mondrian]

Monte Carlo, well said! I also have this feeling that Singapore is looking more and more like Monaco. Of course, the differences are that Singapore is bigger, has its own armed forces and many different industries (e.g. manufacturing, banking & finance, etc.) beside tourism. But both are small countries that need to find a niche way to survive and prosper.

Hong Kong has already hit S$6,000 psf (HK$30,025 psf).
Let's see if Singapore can play some catch up.

Hong Kong has a huge Chinese hinterland to rely upon.... tonnes of mainland funds being parked in Hong Kong, hence their equity and property markets are well-supported (not always good cos the man in the street gets priced out). Singapore is a vastly different market from Hong Kong, unless Indonesia/Malaysia can achieve the same purchasing power parity as the Chinese towkays in time to come. Plus the Singapore housing market is highly regulated; with 80% of its population in HDB dwelling and demand/supply and entry pricing being controlled. To reach $6k psf may really take years and years to come.... so let's not bet on it.

Wow, so much ado about having a chute! Personally, I prefer having a chute outside the house for the following reasons:

1) Fumigation is always a nightmare. And for units below 5 storeys, cockroaches is a huge problem... not to mention the free smells..... esp during durian season.

2) The refuse chute chamber counts towards the gross floor area. Plus the area around the chute is often wasted space. In land scarce Singapore, my psf cost can go towards better uses.

If having a chute outside the house affects one's sense of pride, then plse spare a thought about the landed gentry. Those towkays/MPs/Ministers who stay in our D9/10/11 GCBs (Jet Li inclusive) will have to ensure that all their refuse is transported out of the house, past the garden, and out of the gate. That is what I term as a real pain..... But then again, these people have domestic helpers to do the work. so the same should go for most of the forum users here who can afford one or more private housing.

[kane]

sorry that's cheap.

it's already HK$75,000 psf, for this project: http://www.thecullinan.com.hk/

(SHK just raised price by 50% last month.)

wow... the ID and packaging looks pretty well done though.

[proud owner]

Please don't lie. According to URA data, the final 4 units at Carabelle were sold in June 2007 at 715 and 723psf and in July at 696 and 792psf. The Parc was only launched in August. You couldn't have bought your Carabelle after comparing it with The Parc.

one point to note

URA caveat not accurate ... i sold my condo in june ..till now its not reflected in the caveat ..

i checked with agent and found out ..the buiyer didnt plan to lodge caveat ..

so there will be cases where transactions are not reflected ..and no one will ever know .. except for the buyer and seller concerned

[xtink]

we are def going the path of HK...with more and more mickey mouse (MM) now and maybe more mini mickey mouse (MMM) units in future being built.

I don't think we want to go down the route of HK. HK's apartments are so small and yet expensive. Over rated by the way.

[proud owner]

Monte Carlo, well said! I also have this feeling that Singapore is looking more and more like Monaco. Of course, the differences are that Singapore is bigger, has its own armed forces and many different industries (e.g. manufacturing, banking & finance, etc.) beside tourism. But both are small countries that need to find a niche way to survive and prosper.

Hong Kong has already hit S$6,000 psf (HK$30,025 psf).
Let's see if Singapore can play some catch up.

another similar feature between Monaca and Singapore ...

both are MONARCHY ... they have king and queen

we also have ... emperor and empress ... and princes too ..

[jwong71]

one point to note

URA caveat not accurate ... i sold my condo in june ..till now its not reflected in the caveat ..

i checked with agent and found out ..the buiyer didnt plan to lodge caveat ..

so there will be cases where transactions are not reflected ..and no one will ever know .. except for the buyer and seller concerned

Yup, mine vista park was not lodge in the URA caveat in Dec when i bought it.

[proud owner]

Hong Kong has a huge Chinese hinterland to rely upon.... tonnes of mainland funds being parked in Hong Kong, hence their equity and property markets are well-supported (not always good cos the man in the street gets priced out). Singapore is a vastly different market from Hong Kong, unless Indonesia/Malaysia can achieve the same purchasing power parity as the Chinese towkays in time to come. Plus the Singapore housing market is highly regulated; with 80% of its population in HDB dwelling and demand/supply and entry pricing being controlled. To reach $6k psf may really take years and years to come.... so let's not bet on it.

Wow, so much ado about having a chute! Personally, I prefer having a chute outside the house for the following reasons:

1) Fumigation is always a nightmare. And for units below 5 storeys, cockroaches is a huge problem... not to mention the free smells..... esp during durian season.

2) The refuse chute chamber counts towards the gross floor area. Plus the area around the chute is often wasted space. In land scarce Singapore, my psf cost can go towards better uses.

If having a chute outside the house affects one's sense of pride, then plse spare a thought about the landed gentry. Those towkays/MPs/Ministers who stay in our D9/10/11 GCBs (Jet Li inclusive) will have to ensure that all their refuse is transported out of the house, past the garden, and out of the gate. That is what I term as a real pain..... But then again, these people have domestic helpers to do the work. so the same should go for most of the forum users here who can afford one or more private housing.

if the chute is outside the unit .. it vastly reduce the construction cost .. have anyone ever wonder why they developers are doing that ? and marketing hygiene etc as a reason ?

we shold demand lower psf since they easily reduce the cost 3 times assuming 4 units to a floor ..

[bargain hunter]

i didn't get the info from the caveat. it's from the monthly sales page.

one point to note

URA caveat not accurate ... i sold my condo in june ..till now its not reflected in the caveat ..

i checked with agent and found out ..the buiyer didnt plan to lodge caveat ..

so there will be cases where transactions are not reflected ..and no one will ever know .. except for the buyer and seller concerned

[jlrx]

Not disagreeing with you, but here is my two cents, I undertand your pet peeves but I wonder what pride is there about the chute outside?

Unless you come from HDB background, this feature will abolutely scare you, as it reminds you of your HDB experience, hence the aversion and (snobbishness?), but if you have lived in landed property, throwing rubbish outside is a norm.

Personally, as long as the chute outside is conveniently located, ie. no need to walk very far like in in some HDBs, I feel a chute outside, in a well ventilated area is cleaner and more hygenic, I don't like the idea of a chute in my unit where there is possiblity of smell, germs, or funny things coming out of it when open, it may also be a diesease spreading avenue when you open the chute and what is below may crawl or fly out into your house itself, and also decor wise a chute outside makes the kitchen area look nicer, instead of having an ugly chute door or spending good money just to conceal it, so pride aside, I think of the potential health hazard, but hey that is just me, you guys are just too atas to think about these things.

I have been to many top developments in Western countries and never seen a chute in the unit itself, it is a uniquely Asian / Singapore thing where environmental issues take a back seat and it is deemed OK and even high class to live with a chute in the house, just for convenience.

Frankly, a chute in the bin in the house is just low class.

Taking your rubbish out in a landed house is different from taking your rubbish out to the chute.

Outside the house you can chit-chat with your neighbours.

[Property_Owner]

one point to note

URA caveat not accurate ... i sold my condo in june ..till now its not reflected in the caveat ..

i checked with agent and found out ..the buiyer didnt plan to lodge caveat ..

so there will be cases where transactions are not reflected ..and no one will ever know .. except for the buyer and seller concerned

One more thing to add. Those unit bought from flippers will only show original purchase price.

[jwong71]

One more thing to add. Those unit bought from flippers will only show original purchase price.

Yap. True,but not all ppl know of this.

[pmet]

One more thing to add. Those unit bought from flippers will only show original purchase price.

Care to explain? Thought this is no longer allowed?

[xebay11]

Taking your rubbish out in a landed house is different from taking your rubbish out to the chute.

Outside the house you can chit-chat with your neighbours.

What can I say? You trade convenience for hygiene.

[apple3]

What can I say? You trade convenience for hygiene.

Are you sure? I have been living without an in-house rubbish chute for more than 50 years and I would say your statement of hygiene trade-off hold no bearing. Would you go to the lift-chute for every piece of rubbish?

Owners of Botannia and Silly Trees would merely create another rubbish collection zone in their house and only to bring to the lift after accumlating their household shit.

Yes, chute are part of GFA but is silly tree buyer getting any trade off in pricing? And unlike furnishing or even the lousy colour of Carabelle which coucil could vote out existing colour on BCA 6years rule, like multi-storey carpark, chute are STRUCTURE item which mean no way it could be change. And because it cater to more of owner occupier, it will be a deciding factor.

Only some small apartments (Look, apartment status, not condo classification) omit chute shaft. For bigger project, CDL is the 1st to kick off the chute thingy on botannia on the pretext of eco friendly which a few recycle bins like what most condo do could do the shit. The saving on centralise rubbish chute is tremendous.

[proud owner]

Are you sure? I have been living without an in-house rubbish chute for more than 50 years and I would say your statement of hygiene trade-off hold no bearing. Would you go to the lift-chute for every piece of rubbish?

Owners of Botannia and Silly Trees would merely create another rubbish collection zone in their house and only to bring to the lift after accumlating their household shit.

Yes, chute are part of GFA but is silly tree buyer getting any trade off in pricing? And unlike furnishing or even the lousy colour of Carabelle which coucil could vote out existing colour on BCA 6years rule, like multi-storey carpark, chute are STRUCTURE item which mean no way it could be change. And because it cater to more of owner occupier, it will be a deciding factor.

Only some small apartments (Look, apartment status, not condo classification) omit chute shaft. For bigger project, CDL is the 1st to kick off the chute thingy on botannia on the pretext of eco friendly which a few recycle bins like what most condo do could do the shit. The saving on centralise rubbish chute is tremendous.

how are you man ?

you have been away ? having seen you online for a while

yes i did mention .. that the cost of cutting the chute from 4 to 1 common chute (assuming 4 unit per floor) is huge and never passed down to the buyers ... yet there are people kana conned into the 'green' or ' hygiene' theme .. silly

thank you for supporting this part

[xebay11]

Are you sure? I have been living without an in-house rubbish chute for more than 50 years and I would say your statement of hygiene trade-off hold no bearing. Would you go to the lift-chute for every piece of rubbish?

Owners of Botannia and Silly Trees would merely create another rubbish collection zone in their house and only to bring to the lift after accumlating their household shit.

Yes, chute are part of GFA but is silly tree buyer getting any trade off in pricing? And unlike furnishing or even the lousy colour of Carabelle which coucil could vote out existing colour on BCA 6years rule, like multi-storey carpark, chute are STRUCTURE item which mean no way it could be change. And because it cater to more of owner occupier, it will be a deciding factor.

Only some small apartments (Look, apartment status, not condo classification) omit chute shaft. For bigger project, CDL is the 1st to kick off the chute thingy on botannia on the pretext of eco friendly which a few recycle bins like what most condo do could do the shit. The saving on centralise rubbish chute is tremendous.

Lazy say lazy, no excuses, yes I admit it is more inconvenient without an inhouse chute, but how much wet garbage do you have? Just clearing your own rubbish point three times a day max would kill you? if you plan well once a day is OK. You don't have to go to the common chute for every piece of rubbish don't exaggerate just to make a point. Your argument is more for your convenience and not much substance to support you on the enviromental factors. PPL like you also hang laundry in the balconies right?

An in house chute is defintely more unhygenic, like I say most developed countries do not practise in house chutes. I guess Singporeans like you have a long way to go. Please be my guest to live with an in house chute. You have your opinion and I have mine. For you it is more about convenience. You are so paranoid about developer cost savings, then you should write and crusade against the recent move towards waterless chemical urinals, that would be more productive and beneficial.

[xebay11]

how are you man ?

you have been away ? having seen you online for a while

yes i did mention .. that the cost of cutting the chute from 4 to 1 common chute (assuming 4 unit per floor) is huge and never passed down to the buyers ... yet there are people kana conned into the 'green' or ' hygiene' theme .. silly

thank you for supporting this part

There is a component of cost savings not being passed down to consumers in the name of green or hygiene, so it is all about economics to you. I can name you many, ie. Newater recycling, waterless urinals, using natural gas for electricity, etc etc, all these also incur savings to the seller but are not being passed down to consumers, in fact the institutions earn even greater profits, but do you have an issue? I guess not, but when it hits your own convenience, it becomes a big hoo haa.

True others may be silly but you certainly are shallow.

[pmet]

Anyway, chute or not isn't that important. The cost cut is negligible to the developer as they have to setup a public chute area which is not chargeable. The chute space in your unit can now be better utilized (washing machine space for 2+1) and you don't have to worry about fumigation smoking your kitchen

Peace.

Now, the better prospect of this development is the upcoming Clementi Mall and library. I've also heard from a developer friend about Hong Leong Garden Shopping Center to be redeveloped

[xebay11]

If only we can look at the good side in life, even if they seem bad and not let small things stand in our way as deal breakers and nitty gritty, our lives would be much more happy and enjoyable.

[Reporter]

15 bids received for residential site at Serangoon Aveune 3
Channel NewsAsia
Wednesday, 7 October 2009, 1900 hrs



The Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) received 15 bids at the close of the tender for the residential site at Serangoon Avenue 3 on Wednesday.

The site, which was originally on the Reserve List of the Government Land Sales Programme, was launched for public tender on September 9. The 99-year leasehold site has an area of about 13,877 square metres and a maximum permissible gross floor area of 38,857 square metres.

Intrepid Investments submitted the highest bid of S$221.2 million, followed by Tuas Hi-Tech Park at S$195.9 million and Keppel Land at S$190 million. The lowest bid of S$120 million came from Lippo Estates.

Li Hiaw Ho, Executive Director, CBRE Research, said: "The popularity of the Serangoon Avenue 3 site is evidenced by the 15 bids that were submitted as well as their price quantum.

"Developers are very confident of this site because it is situated next to the Lorong Chuan MRT station and is close to the Australian International School. It is also close to amenities in Serangoon Gardens and the upcoming shopping mall, nex, at Serangoon Interchange station."

CBRE said the top bid of S$221.2 million works out to S$529 per square foot per plot ratio and is 164% above the reserve price of S$83.7 million.

"This price will likely translate into a breakeven price of about S$900 psf to S$950 psf for the future condominium project to be built on this site. Based on this breakeven estimate, the possible selling price could range from S$1,000 psf to S$1,100 psf," said Li.

Recent caveats of nearby properties - The Chuan, a 999-year leasehold condo development, and the freehold Goldenhill Park - showed selling prices ranging from S$830 to S$1,000 psf, while those in the 99-year leasehold The Springbloom were selling at S$600 to S$700 psf.

URA said a decision on the award of the tender for the Serangoon Avenue 3 site will be made after the bids have been evaluated.

It seems to me be that a thrash chute and thrashing each other D5 FH/999-LH condos is more important.
Whether their condo is selling below the price of 99-LH condos in D12 Toa Payoh ($1,222 psf), D20 Ang Mo Kio ($1,289 psf) and now D19 Serangoon ($1,100 psf) seems less important.

OK. On second thought, maybe I am wrong.

[jonleelk]

Now, the better prospect of this development is the upcoming Clementi Mall and library. I've also heard from a developer friend about Hong Leong Garden Shopping Center to be redeveloped

I believe that is a matter of time and $. Walking inside Hong Leong Garden Shopping Centre now reminds me of my childhood days of growing up in Outram Park.

[stalingrad]

I believe that is a matter of time and $. Walking inside Hong Leong Garden Shopping Centre now reminds me of my childhood days of growing up in Outram Park.

You should try using the toilets there. remind me of my visits to the remotest parts of china.

[james8899]

Hey All

I realised this property does not allow any windows to open to dry clothes my goodness everyone has to use dryer?

[pmet]

Hey All

I realised this property does not allow any windows to open to dry clothes my goodness everyone has to use dryer?

Can, agent told me can install those ceiling rack that can be pushed out of the kitchen window.

[apple3]

how are you man ?

you have been away ? having seen you online for a while

yes i did mention .. that the cost of cutting the chute from 4 to 1 common chute (assuming 4 unit per floor) is huge and never passed down to the buyers ... yet there are people kana conned into the 'green' or ' hygiene' theme .. silly

thank you for supporting this part

Yo pal! Kind of busy nowsaday and seldom come in.

And just step in see all these narrow minded ppl that have no sense of humor and couldn't take a single tinge of sarcasm from stalingrad. Seriously, they don't know what they have miss if this place lack of forumer like him. Someone actually post to rebuke his idea of placing cactus on planter to scare kids away. Goodness, either he can't read and enjoy a smile or ppl are really on different frequency here.

[apple3]

You should try using the toilets there. remind me of my visits to the remotest parts of china.

Nah.. it remind me of resident evil screen on star movie channel 58. racoon city?

[apple3]

Lazy say lazy, no excuses, yes I admit it is more inconvenient without an inhouse chute, but how much wet garbage do you have? Just clearing your own rubbish point three times a day max would kill you? if you plan well once a day is OK. You don't have to go to the common chute for every piece of rubbish don't exaggerate just to make a point. Your argument is more for your convenience and not much substance to support you on the enviromental factors. PPL like you also hang laundry in the balconies right?

An in house chute is defintely more unhygenic, like I say most developed countries do not practise in house chutes. I guess Singporeans like you have a long way to go. Please be my guest to live with an in house chute. You have your opinion and I have mine. For you it is more about convenience. You are so paranoid about developer cost savings, then you should write and crusade against the recent move towards waterless chemical urinals, that would be more productive and beneficial.

KNS.. What talking you? Are you becoming some headless chicken from my post or what?

Excuse me? You martian or what? Go compare my post and yours. ppl talk facts and singapore property here and you come and bring out human and personal behavioral pattern. are you one of those forummer they alway label as "deny-er"?

[apple3]

There is a component of cost savings not being passed down to consumers in the name of green or hygiene, so it is all about economics to you. I can name you many, ie. Newater recycling, waterless urinals, using natural gas for electricity, etc etc, all these also incur savings to the seller but are not being passed down to consumers, in fact the institutions earn even greater profits, but do you have an issue? I guess not, but when it hits your own convenience, it becomes a big hoo haa.

True others may be silly but you certainly are shallow.

不要来这里自视清高啦！

Where are you now?

Oii.. Hundred Trees and Botannia NO in-house rubbish chute. Why CDL do it and how it matter. <- I think we are talking something like this right?