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    Quote Originally Posted by pathetichindsight
    Just out of curiosity, with most things being equal like land tenure and proximity to MRT, would a Redhill condo command a premium over Trevista?
    Both are quite close in terms of pricing, but I think Redhill has a slight premium.

    Redhill's Metropolitan has more transactions above $1,100 psf with the highest at $1,329 psf, even higher than Centro's!

    TreVista on the other hand peaks at around $1,200+ psf.

    Redhill has a more direct MRT route to Shenton Way, whereas Toa Payoh has a more direct MRT route to Orchard Road. Draw 1-1.

    However, from Redhill to Orchard Road, just need to take a bus down Tanglin Road and immediately you're in Orchard Road. Whereas from Toa Payoh take bus to Shenton Way ... a bit cumbersome. Redhill wins 1-0.

    So overall score 2-1.

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    Metropolitan would have a bigger noise issue with the overground mrt compared to Trevista. But Metropolitan is closer to the more posh Tanglin area....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    Both are quite close in terms of pricing, but I think Redhill has a slight premium.

    Redhill's Metropolitan has more transactions above $1,100 psf with the highest at $1,329 psf, even higher than Centro's!

    TreVista on the other hand peaks at around $1,200+ psf.

    Redhill has a more direct MRT route to Shenton Way, whereas Toa Payoh has a more direct MRT route to Orchard Road. Draw 1-1.

    However, from Redhill to Orchard Road, just need to take a bus down Tanglin Road and immediately you're in Orchard Road. Whereas from Toa Payoh take bus to Shenton Way ... a bit cumbersome. Redhill wins 1-0.

    So overall score 2-1.
    Toa Payoh has direct route to both Orchard Road and Shenton Way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    Both are quite close in terms of pricing, but I think Redhill has a slight premium.

    Redhill's Metropolitan has more transactions above $1,100 psf with the highest at $1,329 psf, even higher than Centro's!

    TreVista on the other hand peaks at around $1,200+ psf.

    Redhill has a more direct MRT route to Shenton Way, whereas Toa Payoh has a more direct MRT route to Orchard Road. Draw 1-1.

    However, from Redhill to Orchard Road, just need to take a bus down Tanglin Road and immediately you're in Orchard Road. Whereas from Toa Payoh take bus to Shenton Way ... a bit cumbersome. Redhill wins 1-0.

    So overall score 2-1.
    To me, i think your comparison is not fair.
    Redhill - MRT above ground
    Braddell - MRT under ground.

    Furthermore, Braddell got access to bigger shopping centre within one MRT stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pathetichindsight
    Just out of curiosity, with most things being equal like land tenure and proximity to MRT, would a Redhill condo command a premium over Trevista?
    Metro vs Trevista. Yes. Based on land value of location. Nothing to do with proximity to MRT station. Else these 2 would cost more than Ardmore/ Nassim area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonleelk
    Sales of old projects tapering off is not suprising, as the better units are all gone (unless develop still has new stacks to release) , and the remaining units at a higher price. Their sales will only pick up if there is a newer development nearby starting sale at a higher price (like what micasa did to caspian, and vista did to arte). With trivesta, centro and silversea not exactly "value for money", not easy for their sales to pick up.

    Lesson for developers...always aim a site where nearby has FEO project, then chiong to release before FEO.
    Went to showroom recently. One of the best stacks in the project, stack 6, still have many high floor units left. Units there have unblocked view spanning the length of the 50m pool plus clubhouse and they have no afternoon sun. Not sure why they are not taken up fully. Maybe it's because they are 3-bedders and the absolute price is high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    Went to showroom recently. One of the best stacks in the project, stack 6, still have many high floor units left. Units there have unblocked view spanning the length of the 50m pool plus clubhouse and they have no afternoon sun. Not sure why they are not taken up fully. Maybe it's because they are 3-bedders and the absolute price is high.
    Best stack is stack 7. Pool view of longer edge is definitely better.

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    i heard that 3BD room units are priced above $1000/psf which aint exactly cheap, while 4BD room units are slightly below $1000/psf but few left... not sure how accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isaaclim
    Best stack is stack 7. Pool view of longer edge is definitely better.
    Hi, agreed Stack 7 may be a better choice than 6. Stack 6 may face privacy issue with stack 1. Its master bedroom and bathrooms facing stack 1. Stack 7 is very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCutie
    Hi, agreed Stack 7 may be a better choice than 6. Stack 6 may face privacy issue with stack 1. Its master bedroom and bathrooms facing stack 1. Stack 7 is very good.
    Well, I said that stack 6 is ONE of the best. And it still has unsold units. For me the best units are on stacks 7 and 16 but they are sold out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    Well, I said that stack 6 is ONE of the best. And it still has unsold units. For me the best units are on stacks 7 and 16 but they are sold out.
    I thought the chart at the showroom showed 5 units of stack 7 available, #24,#29,etc... Probably chart is not updated or more units sold over this week. Then stack 6 would be best choice with the full long view of pool.
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    Did anyone notice the full page ad that Choice Homes ran on Sat in Straits Times targeting the upgraders market? With 100 odd units still unsold, desperate times call for desperate measures. For a working couple with a combined monthly income of $9,000 a month, Choice Homes calculated that their out of pocket monthly instalment for a 3-bedroom unit costing $1.03m works out to $885 a month. Looks very affordable. The underlying assumption is that the couple must have $150K in CPF account, $50k in cash and are able to make a profit of $250k from selling their HDB flat.

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    I didn't notice the ad. They really did such detailed calculations with such unrealistic assumptions? and they assumed interest rates will stay at current lows forever?

    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    Did anyone notice the full page ad that Choice Homes ran on Sat in Straits Times targeting the upgraders market? With 100 odd units still unsold, desperate times call for desperate measures. For a working couple with a combined monthly income of $9,000 a month, Choice Homes calculated that their out of pocket monthly instalment for a 3-bedroom unit costing $1.03m works out to $885 a month. Looks very affordable. The underlying assumption is that the couple must have $150K in CPF account, $50k in cash and are able to make a profit of $250k from selling their HDB flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    Did anyone notice the full page ad that Choice Homes ran on Sat in Straits Times targeting the upgraders market? With 100 odd units still unsold, desperate times call for desperate measures. For a working couple with a combined monthly income of $9,000 a month, Choice Homes calculated that their out of pocket monthly instalment for a 3-bedroom unit costing $1.03m works out to $885 a month. Looks very affordable. The underlying assumption is that the couple must have $150K in CPF account, $50k in cash and are able to make a profit of $250k from selling their HDB flat.
    ya man..totally unrealistic assumptions... for a couple who earns only $9k combined, the is a good chance that they would have wiped off their CPF in purchasing the HDB..of course there are exceptions. Also, yes there are people making $250K profit for HDB flat, but how many are there? Also, bank loan depends on the age of the borrowers. To be able to build up another $150K based on only $9K income, it will take many years (assuming that they are using CPF to pay the HDB loan)..by then, the borrowers would probably be in their forties.. wonder why such misleading calculations can still be published!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    I didn't notice the ad. They really did such detailed calculations with such unrealistic assumptions? and they assumed interest rates will stay at current lows forever?
    yesh, it's there ... saw that .. almost flipped

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    ok, i will look out for it in next sat's ad. hey, cheerful, get ready for your final 4D idea of the year this thursday! oct really looks likely to have no more...trilight only sold 36 units at preview in the past 3 days.

    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful
    yesh, it's there ... saw that .. almost flipped

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    yah mann ... getting ready to cheong into ura site to check out the magic no.

    You may wish to check out last Sat's ST ... who knows they may not publish anymore if got pp write in to complain & then the authority got to step in & take action again ... hehe

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    With the Serangoon Ave 3 effect + no new negative news, Trevista should be gone soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangsiah, 4 weeks ago
    If US economic not picking up/down, will SG not affected even with IR?
    Let's keep our fingers crossed, shall we?

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    Singapore Raises 2009 Economic Forecast Amid Recovery
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?p...d=i9aAtScgUllo

    Singapore raised its 2009 economic forecast after gross domestic product expanded for a second consecutive quarter, strengthening a regional recovery that has prompted policy makers to consider ending stimulus measures.

    The economy will shrink 2% to 2.5% this year, less than an earlier forecast for a contraction of 4% to 6%, the trade ministry said in a statement today. GDP expanded an annualized 14.9% last quarter from the previous three months, the second consecutive expansion.

    Singapore’s central bank said today it will maintain a zero appreciation stance in its currency policy, after opting for a de-facto devaluation of the Singapore dollar in April to help reverse a collapse in exports. Central banks around the world have begun to indicate a willingness to raise interest rates as inflation returns with economic recovery.

    “Asian economies are recovering so we may see a slow withdrawal of fiscal and monetary stimulus because they can’t go cold turkey,” said Alvin Liew, an economist at Standard Chartered Plc in Singapore. “The export outlook is improving but there are still potential speed bumps such as unemployment and we may see a prolonged recovery process.”

    Australia last week became the first among the Group of 20 nations to raise borrowing costs since the height of the global financial crisis, and U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said the Fed is prepared to tighten monetary policy when the outlook for the economy “has improved sufficiently.”

    Stocks Rise

    Singapore’s benchmark stock index rose 0.6% as at 9:55 a.m. The measure has surged 52% this year as a rebound in manufacturing helped the nation emerge from its worst recession since independence in 1965.

    “A clear but modest recovery is under way globally,” the trade ministry said today. “One-off factors such as restocking activities and fiscal stimulus measures will continue to support growth in the near term.”

    Asia is leading the world’s recovery from its economic slump after the region’s policy makers slashed interest rates to unprecedented lows and governments announced more than $950 billion of stimulus.

    “Singapore is always the first in the region to provide a reliable GDP report so a strong reading would be a positive sign for other outcomes in the region,” said Matthew Hildebrandt, an economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in Singapore. “The worst of global economic turmoil is behind us,” reducing the need to further ease monetary policy, he said.

    Exchange Rate

    The Singapore dollar fell 0.5% to S$1.4001 against the U.S. currency as at 9:55 a.m. The Monetary Authority of Singapore, known as MAS, maintained a neutral stance in its twice-yearly currency policy review today, favoring neither appreciation nor depreciation against its trade-weighted basket of currencies.

    The central bank, which uses its exchange rate rather than interest rates to control inflation, said the strength of the economic recovery may ease after an “initial uplift,” and GDP growth in 2010 is expected to be slower than in previous post- recession periods.

    Singapore is forecast by economists including JPMorgan’s Hildebrandt to delay any change in its currency policy until April. The government is due to say this week if it will extend a program that pays companies to retain workers.

    “Singapore’s economy is extremely volatile” and the boost to growth from companies rebuilding inventory and government stimulus is starting to fade, said Hildebrandt. “Because of this uncertainty, we do not expect the MAS to change its monetary policy stance. The risk to inflation is still low so the MAS has no need to tighten policy.”

    Inflation Forecast

    The central bank expects inflation to be about zero this year, before accelerating to a range of 1% to 2% in 2010, it said in a statement today.

    Singapore’s $182 billion economy grew 0.8% in the third quarter from a year earlier, the first expansion in more than a year. The government has raised its 2009 economic forecast twice this year from an April prediction for a contraction of as much as 9%.

    “Uncertainties over the pace of the withdrawal of monetary and fiscal stimulus measures pose an additional risk” globally, the trade ministry said. “While these factors may dampen growth in the second half of 2010 and result in an uneven recovery, the likelihood of a return to recessionary conditions is low in the absence of further financial shocks.”

    Drugs, Chips

    Manufacturing, which accounts for about a quarter of the economy, rose 8.3% from a year earlier last quarter, after sliding a revised 1.1% in the three months through June.

    Improving demand for pharmaceuticals and electronics has prompted companies including Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing Ltd. to predict sales will increase. Singapore’s exports fell the least in almost a year in August.

    The island’s services industry declined 2.4% last quarter from a year earlier, after falling 4.8% in the previous three months. The construction industry gained 12.4% as real-estate developers including Frasers Centrepoint Ltd. built homes, hotels and office towers.

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    haha, beat you before it again! 1143...really next month no more liao.


    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful
    yah mann ... getting ready to cheong into ura site to check out the magic no.

    You may wish to check out last Sat's ST ... who knows they may not publish anymore if got pp write in to complain & then the authority got to step in & take action again ... hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    haha, beat you before it again! 1143...really next month no more liao.
    LOL ... hey how come can't see yet huh ... or my system slow.. hmmm ...

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    must upgrade computer liao. my old computer also had same problem every month. these 2 months i use new laptop from PC show wor. $1000 only with many freebies leh. u can see liao?

    Quote Originally Posted by cheerful
    LOL ... hey how come can't see yet huh ... or my system slow.. hmmm ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number_9z
    ya man..totally unrealistic assumptions... for a couple who earns only $9k combined, the is a good chance that they would have wiped off their CPF in purchasing the HDB..of course there are exceptions. Also, yes there are people making $250K profit for HDB flat, but how many are there? Also, bank loan depends on the age of the borrowers. To be able to build up another $150K based on only $9K income, it will take many years (assuming that they are using CPF to pay the HDB loan)..by then, the borrowers would probably be in their forties.. wonder why such misleading calculations can still be published!??
    It is a realistic assumption. Yes, many people won't meet the criteria but there is enough people who do. You must remember Choice Homes is not looking for 10,000 buyers. It is looking for 100-odd buyers for its unsold 3 bedders.
    Also, a couple or family who is able to make a profit of $250k from selling their HDB flats would probably have owned it for 7 years or more. In that time, they would have built up sufficient cash and/or cpf savings.
    5-room HDB flats less than 10 years old around Toa Payoh hub can sell for $650k. To make the leap from $650k to $1.03m condo for a family earning $9k a month is really no stress on their finances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    must upgrade computer liao. my old computer also had same problem every month. these 2 months i use new laptop from PC show wor. $1000 only with many freebies leh. u can see liao?
    Yup, can see already ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by URA
    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of September 2009

    Project Name . Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    Trevista ............ RCR ........ 459 .......................... 59 .............................. 1,219 ............ 938 ............... 855
    Err ... missed August's high of $1,222 psf by $3 psf leh.

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    Foreigners back in private home market
    Foreign buyers are streaming back into the private homes market in growing numbers, especially those from China
    Joyce Teo
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    Thursday, 5 November 2009


    New research from property consultancy Savills Singapore shows foreigners accounted for 22.7% of private home sales in the third quarter. -- Photo: Desmond Foo, ST

    Foreign buyers are streaming back into the private homes market in growing numbers, especially those from China.

    New research from property consultancy Savills Singapore shows foreigners accounted for 22.7% of private home sales in the third quarter – above the 19.7% average since the start of 2000.

    Buyers from China have dislodged those from India for the No. 3 spot in the rankings this year with a contribution of nearly 15% of total foreign purchases. This puts China just behind Indonesia in the second spot and Malaysia at No. 1.

    In the past two years, India had been in third spot, but it has slipped to fourth.

    Last year, buyers from China had moved up to the No. 4 spot, dislodging buyers from Britain.

    Buyers from Myanmar featured more strongly, coming in at No. 8. They did not make it to the top 10 last year, and were 10th in 2007.

    In the July to September period, foreign buyers – including permanent residents – lodged 2,448 private home caveats, a key step to buying a home.

    This is up from 1,807 caveats in the second quarter and just 498 in the first, according to data compiled by Savills.

    In all, permanent residents bought 1,389 homes in the third quarter.

    DTZ said its preliminary data for the third quarter showed that foreigners accounted for about 25% of total sales, compared with about 33% during the boom of 2007.

    The most popular project sought by foreigners was Sophia Residence, a project launched in July. Then came Caribbean at Keppel Bay, Ascentia Sky, One Devonshire and Viva.

    Permanent residents preferred Melville Park, a 99-year leasehold condominium in Simei, the recently launched Trevista, followed by Caribbean at Keppel Bay.

    About 54% of the purchases by China buyers were for resale homes, said DTZ head of South-east Asia research Chua Chor Hoon.

    Like Malaysian buyers, buyers from China tend to prefer homes priced between $500,000 and $1 million.

    One-fifth of them bought homes costing $1.5 million to as much as $5 million.

    Indonesians, however, tended to go for higher priced projects, particularly those priced $1.5 million to $5 million.

    They like properties located at Novena, River Valley and the Singapore River.

    They had been the biggest group of foreign buyers, taking first place from 2004 to 2007, only to lose the spot to Malaysia during the recent economic crisis, said Ms Christine Sun, Savills Singapore’s senior research & consultancy manager.

    The latest figures featured a substantial rise in the number of foreign transactions for higher-priced properties.

    A total of 86 properties priced above $5 million were sold in the quarter, up from 27 in the second and a mere six in the first.

    Also, there was a 60% rise in deals for projects costing between $1.5 million and $5 million. Demand from foreigners for mass market homes was little changed from the second quarter.

    Savills said recent data showed that foreigners who are not permanent residents tend to buy more pricey projects.

    This group was also more likely to buy homes in prime districts than permanent residents, said Ms Sun. ‘We are hearing that more of these super-rich mainland Chinese buyers have come in recent weeks to buy prime properties like the bungalows in Sentosa Cove.’

    But the big influx of foreigners to the luxury market in the 2006-2007 boom has not quite returned, consultants said.

    Still, support from regional buyers could rise further. Jones Lang LaSalle’s head of residential, Ms Jacqueline Wong, said the firm has had rising interest from new potential buyers from India, China and Russia in the past four months.

    ‘We are one of the places they are considering. They see Singapore as a safe haven,’ said Ms Wong.

    A senior private banker at a foreign bank said: ‘We are seeing some clients consider buying a Singapore property as one of a string of homes they have around the world. Luxury homes have come down 30% from the peak, so they are better value now.’

    DTZ’s Ms Chua said foreign buyers see the growing attraction of Singapore as a global city and expect prices to keep rising as the economy strengthens.

    ‘Prices of prime and luxurious units have not reached 2007 levels and there is still the potential of capital appreciation depending on the rate of economic recovery,’ she said.


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    Foreign property buyers go outside prime areas
    Districts 9, 10 and 15 still rule, but Novena, Jurong, Balestier pick up
    Joyce Teo
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    Savills said district 12 - which includes the Balestier (pictured), Serangoon and Toa Payoh areas - has emerged as one of the top new choices among foreigners this year. -- Photo: ST

    Foreign property investors are venturing out of traditional prime areas to snap up homes in other parts of the island.

    A new study has found overseas buyers have become keen on district 12, which includes the Balestier area and which is associated with karaoke bars and lighting shops.

    A Savills Singapore study found that districts 9, 10 and 15 have remained the top spots for foreign buyers over the past three years.

    District 9 includes the Orchard and River Valley areas; 15 covers Katong, Joo Chiat and Amber Road, and 10 includes the posh Ardmore area, and the Bukit Timah, Holland Road and Tanglin neighbourhoods.

    Districts 11 and 22 have become more popular thanks to the higher number of launches there, Savills said.

    In the past three years, there have been at least 30 major launches in district 11 – Novena and Thomson – alone, including Viva, Park Infinia at Wee Nam, and Miro at Lincoln Road.

    District 22 – it is centred on Jurong – has hosted launches of The Centris, The Caspian and The Lakeshore.

    Savills said district 12, which includes the Balestier, Serangoon and Toa Payoh areas, has emerged as one of the top new choices among foreigners this year.

    Its new projects include The Arte, Trevista, Vista Residences, Nova 48, Nova 88 and Domus.

    ‘These city-fringe projects are near to the city and yet relatively more affordable compared to core central projects,’ said Savills’ senior manager of research and consultancy, Ms Christine Sun.

    Consultants say that in district 12, average prices have been lower, at about $900 psf compared with the over $1,000 psf that Novena, only a few hundred metres away, can fetch. However, the gap is closing, partly due to district 12’s increased popularity as well as the small units offered which have a higher per unit asking price.

    A closer look at the sales data from the three most popular districts of 9, 15 and 10 shows that most of the foreign buyers came from Malaysia, Indonesia, mainland China and India.

    In fact, they accounted for 73.9% of total foreign private property purchases in the first nine months, compared with 59.1% for the whole of 2007 when the market was booming.

    A lot of foreigners came to Singapore to buy back then.

    Many of the high net-worth buyers from Europe, Russia and elsewhere have not quite returned, property experts said.

    But Malaysian buyer numbers have risen by 10% this year compared with 2007, although Indonesian investor numbers have fallen by 4%.

    Mainland Chinese buyers are also up 7.4%, while Indian buyers rose 1.1%.

    A recent Savills study showed that foreigners, especially those from China, were returning to the market.

    Foreigners formed about 22.7% of private home sales in the third quarter – above the 19.7% average since the start of 2000.

    ‘Malaysians and Indonesians prefer prime districts 9 and 10, which tend to be higher-priced projects,’ said Ms Sun.

    She added that mainland Chinese and Indian buyers bought more homes in the city fringe and outside of central regions, such as districts 15, 16, 18 and 22.

    The properties in these regions tend to be relatively less pricey and more mass market.

    Western buyers, including those from Australia, Britain and the United States, tend to congregate in certain districts, such as districts 9, 10 and 15.

    The Japanese prefer district 9, while the Koreans are keen on districts 9 and 10, as well as 16, which includes Bedok and Upper East Coast.
    District 9 has the highest concentration of foreign buyers, at 31%.

    The other top districts popular with foreigners had a proportion of between 19 and 25%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    haha, beat you before it again! 1143...really next month no more liao.
    0811 for Oct

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    yeah, nicer number than 8110. now can guess for nov liao....05xx? LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Err ... missed August's high of $1,222 psf by $3 psf leh.
    Too bad!
    Missed again!

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    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of October 2009

    Project Name . Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    Trevista ............. RCR ........ 468 ......................... 13 .............................. 1,083 ............ 1,013 ............. 905

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