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    Fear pushes U.S. government debt interest rates negative
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    Tuesday, 24 November 2009, 19:19 U.S. EST

    Negative interest rates are back. Yields on short-term US government debt have fallen into negative territory as banks and investors park their cash in havens before the end of the year.

    Strong demand for US Treasury bills, US government debt with durations of 1 year or less, suggests that dislocation and fear still pervade the financial system as institutions and investors show they are willing to forgo interest income completely or even take a small loss to own securities considered safe.

    In the bond market, analysts say the heightened demand for short-term government debt also extends to the 2-year note, reflecting a quest by banks and institutional investors for pristine year-end balance sheets, in what is commonly called window dressing on Wall Street.
    Read this analysis from this very brilliant guy Warren Pollock:

    1. The Chinese are figuring out ways to extract themselves from the "USD Trap".

    2. China is letting longer dated Treasury notes mature and placing the proceeds into shorter dated T-Bills to assist their exit strategy.

    3. China is actively looking to buy hard asset companies (producers of raw materials and resources) in Australia and Canada. They have tried in the U.S. but have been blocked. It defeats the purpose to hold the currency of a country that won't let you use it to buy anything but that country's debt!

    I think this is the third time in as many centuries that the Chinese have fallen into an Ang Mo trap.


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    "Yes, the magnitude of the situation is dramatic for Dubai. But Dubai is not America - and a property crisis in Dubai will not cause the same global crisis as a property crisis in the States."

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    . Head of Regional Strategy, Asian Equities
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    "The good news about Dubai, from the point of view of western lenders to the emirate, is that it is easy to see how the financial damage might be slight. Abu Dhabi, Dubai's neighbour, is rich enough to fund a bailout and has an incentive to do so – it has its own reputation to protect."

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    is this statement true? Any comments from the expert here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter


    "Yes, the magnitude of the situation is dramatic for Dubai. But Dubai is not America - and a property crisis in Dubai will not cause the same global crisis as a property crisis in the States."

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    . Emil Wolter
    . Head of Regional Strategy, Asian Equities
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    A rising tide raises a thousand ships.

    Just look at the explosion of CDS spread no only for Dubai but also they emerging country counterpart.

    No one financial event is an isolated event nowadays.

    The main conclusion/lesson from this event is that which ever assumption there are out there, challenge it time and time again.

    Who would have think that Dubai will go via this path.
    Who would have think that Abu Dhabi is not coming in the make whole the debt?
    Isn't the ruler of both Abu Dhabi and Dubai come from the same lineage of Bani Yas tribe which means they are Brothers and will help out one another in time of crisis?

    This is just the beginning and not the end........

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    Resorts World househunt reaches into HDB heartland
    Property consultants say Sentosa IR is scouting for rental flats for some of its foreign staff
    The Business Times Weekend
    Saturday, 28 November 2009


    Resort World @ Sentosa

    Visitors to the Universal Studios theme park in Resorts World at Sentosa (RWS) will soon be able to live out adventures seen in various movies. There will be zones based on films such as Madagascar, Shrek and Jurassic Park, to bring thrill-seekers to a make-believe world far away from home.

    For some employees at RWS, being away from home will also be a new adventure. The integrated resort will be hiring a considerable number of foreigners, and it is said to be searching for hundreds of HDB flats to help them settle in. C&H Realty managing director Albert Lu said that RWS is looking for HDB flats to rent, and approached his firm a few months ago to find out about the rental market. RWS did not share many details then, but the number of flats is ‘in the hundreds’, he told BT.

    Another property market insider who declined to be named also said that RWS has been ‘aggressively looking for flats to rent’, and is probably in need of ‘a few hundred’ units.

    So far, there is no official statement on the number of foreigners that RWS could hire. Overall, it will employ about 10,000 people when it opens next year. RWS spokesman Robin Goh told BT that it remains committed in recruiting Singaporeans and Singapore permanent residents.

    A media report in June noted that RWS had hired 600 workers, of whom 80% are locals. Assuming that the local-foreign ratio stays constant, its headcount from abroad could reach 2,000.

    Going by HDB rules, 1- or 2-room flats can each be rented out to at most 4 people; 3-room flats to at most 6 people; and 4-roomers or bigger flats to at most 9 people. Assuming that RWS hires 2,000 foreigners and all of them rent 4-room flats, it would need to find at least about 220 units.

    Mr Goh said that RWS started looking for ’suitable accommodation’ for foreign staff early this year, with help from a ‘reputable service provider’. He did not specify the types and number of housing involved.

    ‘To help reduce their stress and anxiety of relocating overseas, we assist our foreign team members in addressing one of their basic needs – accommodation,’ he said. ‘We make sure that they settle down comfortably as well as enjoy working and living in Singapore.’ And it is important for RWS to keep its employees happy because that could enhance their work performance and in turn, visitors’ experience at the integrated resort, he said.

    Mr Goh added that RWS considered several factors in choosing accommodation, including the place’s accessibility and proximity to amenities such as convenience stores. ‘The locations we have chosen facilitate good interaction between the local community and foreign talent,’ he added. BT understands that units at Tiong Bahru and Toa Payoh have been found.

    C&H Realty’s Mr Lu said that he believes that RWS would want flats in areas near Sentosa, such as Telok Blangah. But he pointed out that the supply of rental flats in such central locations is tight, and RWS might have to broaden its search to estates near MRT stations.

    Rents of HDB flats in the central region rose between the second and third quarter of the year. For instance, the median sub-letting rent for a four-room flat in the area increased from about $2,000 to $2,200.

    HDB’s website shows that up to the third quarter of this year, the agency has granted 11,235 sub-letting approvals. The bulk of these – 3,978 or 35 per cent – were for three-room flats. Another 3,593 approvals were for four-room flats.

    Also, looking across all towns and flat types, median sub-letting rents have remained relatively steady from the first to third quarter.

    Dennis Wee Group director Chris Koh observed that the HDB rental market is ‘more stabilised’ compared with the period when collective sales were rife and many displaced residents were looking for lodging. His firm has seen more rental enquiries direct from foreigners working with RWS.

    Marina Bay Sands, the other integrated resort due to open next year, has not engaged property agents to look for accommodation for its foreign staff. ‘Housing arrangements will take into account the needs of the prospective foreign employees,’ said a spokeswoman. ‘At this time, Marina Bay Sands is giving priority to attracting and selecting Singaporeans and permanent residents for our job opportunities.’

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    Resorts World househunt reaches into HDB heartland
    Property consultants say Sentosa IR is scouting for rental flats for some of its foreign staff
    The Business Times Weekend
    Saturday, 28 November 2009
    Resort World @ Sentosa

    For some employees at RWS, being away from home will also be a new adventure. The integrated resort will be hiring a considerable number of foreigners, and it is said to be searching for hundreds of HDB flats to help them settle in. C&H Realty managing director Albert Lu said that RWS is looking for HDB flats to rent, and approached his firm a few months ago to find out about the rental market. RWS did not share many details then, but the number of flats is ‘in the hundreds’, he told BT.

    Another property market insider who declined to be named also said that RWS has been ‘aggressively looking for flats to rent’, and is probably in need of ‘a few hundred’ units.


    A media report in June noted that RWS had hired 600 workers, of whom 80% are locals. Assuming that the local-foreign ratio stays constant, its headcount from abroad could reach 2,000.


    Mr Goh added that RWS considered several factors in choosing accommodation, including the place’s accessibility and proximity to amenities such as convenience stores. ‘The locations we have chosen facilitate good interaction between the local community and foreign talent,’ he added. BT understands that units at Tiong Bahru and Toa Payoh have been found.


    Rents of HDB flats in the central region rose between the second and third quarter of the year. For instance, the median sub-letting rent for a four-room flat in the area increased from about $2,000 to $2,200.


    first of all ..what a joke to house your FOREIGN TALENT in HDB ...

    secondly 9 person to a 4 room HDB , each costing a rent of 2-2.2k = $250 per person of housing allowance ..

    SO MM, studio buyers (owners) ..do you still think theres demand for your investment ?

    i kept reminding people rushing to buy MM units ..using macau as an example the income level of these employees ... how to afford a studio rental ?

    so RWS subsidize $250 a mth .. one has to top up at least 2k to rent a studio ..

    is it now still worth buying studio ? paying 1000 psf ? is there stilll demand for such units when IRs open ??

    this is exactly what i said before ..they would go for HDB ...to house 3 to a room ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    But Dubai is not America- Emil Wolter Head of Regional Strategy, Asian Equities RBS
    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    the financial damage might be slight - Nils Pratley Financial Editor Guardian
    Quote Originally Posted by Douk
    is this statement true? Any comments from the expert here?
    Quote Originally Posted by kali-yuga
    This is just the beginning and not the end........
    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner
    SO MM, studio buyers (owners) ..do you still think theres demand for your investment ?
    What we should not do is to be caught up by the "Eternal Crisis Syndrome". The world will always have lots of crises. If we are always worried about crises, we will end up never purchasing any property.

    Read the following headline news.

    1964 Racial Riot 23 Killed, 556 Injured

    1965 Konfrontasi Indonesia bombed MacDonald's House at Orchard Road

    1971 British Troop Pullout of Singapore PM Lee Angry, Threatens to Disrupt British Shipping and Trade

    1973 First Oil Crisis Oil price Quadrupled to US$12 per Barrel !!! US Economy in Shock !!!

    1975 Fall of Vietnam

    Extract from Lee Wei Ling's recent Straits Times article

    "My parents called a family meeting in their bedroom soon after Saigon fell.

    My father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, then Singapore’s Prime Minister, told us: ‘Mama and I will stay here to the bitter end. Hsien Loong is already in the SAF and must do his duty. But the three of you need not feel obliged to stay.’

    1979 Second Oil Crisis

    Amid massive protests, the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, fled his country in early 1979, allowing the Ayatollah Khomeini to gain control. While the new regime resumed oil exports, it was inconsistent and at a lower volume, forcing prices to go up.

    1980 Iran-Iraq War

    In 1980, following the Iraqi invasion of Iran, oil production in Iran nearly stopped, and Iraq's oil production was severely cut as well.

    1985 Singapore's 1st Recession

    1991 Gulf War , Asian Financial Crisis 1997 , Dot Com Crisis 2000 , September 11 2001 , Argentina Debt Default 2002 , SARS 2003 , Lehman Brothers 2008 ...
    Last edited by jlrx; 28-11-09 at 20:22.

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    Extract from dailyreckoning.com:

    Fiat Money -Toilet Paper Money



    The history of fiat money, to put it kindly, has been one of failure. In fact, EVERY fiat currency since the Romans first began the practice in the first century has ended in devaluation and eventual collapse.

    Fiat Money -Rome — The Denarius

    Emperors that succeeded Nero liked the idea of devaluing their currency in order to pay the bills and increase their own wealth. Around the time of Rome’s collapse, the denarius contained only 0.02% silver and virtually nobody accepted it as a medium of exchange or a store of value.

    Fiat Money -China — Flying Money

    Kublai Khan eventually had some success with fiat money. The best families in the empire were ruined, a new set of men came into the control of public affairs, and the country became the scene of internecine warfare and confusion.

    Fiat Money -France — Livres, Assignats, and Francs

    By 1795, inflation of assignats was running at approximately 13,000%.

    Weimar Germany — Mark

    Inflation got so bad in this period that German citizens were literally using stacks of marks to heat their furnaces. December 1923: 1 US dollar = 4.2 trillion marks.

    Extract from "The Coming Collapse of the Dollar. First Print 2004" (Now the title has changed to "The Collapse of the Dollar. 2008")

    Why will the dollar be the first of today’s fiat currencies to collapse?

    U.S. debt now comes to about US$45 trillion, or US$600,000 per family of four.

    What happens when the dollar collapses?

    European and Asian leaders will respond with the only weapon they have left: monetary inflation. The result of these “competitive devaluations” will be a death spiral for all major fiat currencies.

    Moral of the story ... don't hold on to toilet paper.


    Even if you don't like properties, quickly exchange your toilet paper for something that has a limited supply, like Gold, Silver, Paintings, Antiques, Stamps, Antique Cars, Old Books, even Toilet Paper (I mean the real type of toilet paper).


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    It really also depends on the type of crisis. Crisis like DP World is actually good for Singapore & US! Let's wait and see. Very soon, the stock markets will recover as people get to understand the implications and stock prices will go even higher (with lots of money exiting Dubai & other middle east & unstable countries and going into more stable countries in Asia (e.g. Singapore) and also back to US because of their safe haven status in times of uncertainty).

    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    What we should not do is to be caught up by the "Eternal Crisis Syndrome". The world will always have lots of crises. If we are always worried about crises, we will end up never purchasing any property.

    Read the following headline news.

    1964 Racial Riot 23 Killed, 556 Injured

    1965 Konfrontasi Indonesia bombed MacDonald's House at Orchard Road

    1971 British Troop Pullout of Singapore PM Lee Angry, Threatens to Disrupt British Shipping and Trade

    1973 First Oil Crisis Oil price Quadrupled to US$12 per Barrel !!! US Economy in Shock !!!

    1975 Fall of Vietnam

    Extract from Lee Wei Ling's recent Straits Times article

    "My parents called a family meeting in their bedroom soon after Saigon fell.

    My father, Mr Lee Kuan Yew, then Singapore’s Prime Minister, told us: ‘Mama and I will stay here to the bitter end. Hsien Loong is already in the SAF and must do his duty. But the three of you need not feel obliged to stay.’

    1979 Second Oil Crisis

    Amid massive protests, the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, fled his country in early 1979, allowing the Ayatollah Khomeini to gain control. While the new regime resumed oil exports, it was inconsistent and at a lower volume, forcing prices to go up.

    1980 Iran-Iraq War

    In 1980, following the Iraqi invasion of Iran, oil production in Iran nearly stopped, and Iraq's oil production was severely cut as well.

    1985 Singapore's 1st Recession

    1991 Gulf War , Asian Financial Crisis 1997 , Dot Com Crisis 2000 , September 11 2001 , Argentina Debt Default 2002 , SARS 2003 , Lehman Brothers 2008 ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner
    first of all ..what a joke to house your FOREIGN TALENT in HDB ...

    secondly 9 person to a 4 room HDB , each costing a rent of 2-2.2k = $250 per person of housing allowance ..

    SO MM, studio buyers (owners) ..do you still think theres demand for your investment ?

    i kept reminding people rushing to buy MM units ..using macau as an example the income level of these employees ... how to afford a studio rental ?

    so RWS subsidize $250 a mth .. one has to top up at least 2k to rent a studio ..

    is it now still worth buying studio ? paying 1000 psf ? is there stilll demand for such units when IRs open ??

    this is exactly what i said before ..they would go for HDB ...to house 3 to a room ..
    I am not a MM supporter. However, you should not twist the fact.

    RWS did not say they will house up to 9 persons in a flat. In fact, RWS did not say anything. Please read the news properly.

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    From mass market to high end
    Analysts upgrade property counters with exposure to the top end of the sector
    Uma Shankari
    The Business Times Weekend
    Saturday, 28 November 2009



    Sales of high-end homes have picked up. And as a result, analysts are more upbeat about property counters with exposure to the top end of the market.

    DBS Group Research has upgraded its calls on SC Global, Ho Bee Investment and Wheelock Properties to ‘buy’. The three developers have significant exposure to the high end of the market.

    ‘We see value emerging for these companies, following price consolidation in recent months, and this is backed by our expectation of a pick-up in activity in the high-end segment come 2010,’ DBS analyst Adrian Chua said in a Nov 17 report.

    DMG & Partners Securities analyst Brandon Lee said in a Nov 16 note: ‘The confluence of the integrated resorts’ opening, strong real estate fundamentals and more positive economic newsflow should lead to an upswing in high-end prices from current levels over the next six months.’

    Mr Lee issued fresh ‘buy’ calls on City Developments, Wing Tai Holdings and SC Global.

    The property recovery started in the mass market, where sales began to improve as early as February this year. Activity at the top end of the market only started to pick up in Q3.

    ‘The number of units transacted at more than $2,000 psf – our definition of high-end – is just below the number of units we saw back in Q1 2007, prior to the run-up in the high-end market,’ said DBS’s Mr Chua.

    And while the property market cooled in October, the high end held up. Developers sold 811 new private homes in October, down from the 1,143 in September.

    But the number of high-end homes sold climbed month on month. Goldman Sachs said that 285 homes with a median price of more than $1,500 psf were sold in October 2009, compared with 115 in September. Prime district sales are now the driver, the bank said on Nov 16.

    Analysts cited a number of reasons for betting on high-end homes. Policy risk is smaller for this segment as government policies tend to focus on the mass market.

    The government announced cooling measures in September and warned recently that further pre-emptive measures will be taken, if necessary, to ensure a stable market.

    But the government has traditionally been less concerned with the top end of the market, as this is seen to be the playing field of high net-worth individuals.

    Any new cooling measures, if prudent, will also only have a near-term negative impact on share prices, as improving property fundamentals and still attractive valuations matter more, according to Goldman Sachs analysts Paul Lian and Rishab Bengani. They have ‘buy’ calls on two property stocks – CapitaLand and City Developments.

    Another boon for the high end is the opening of the integrated resorts (IRs) in early 2010, which could boost demand from foreigners in particular.

    DBS’s Mr Chua said that high-end homes in Singapore now look relatively cheap compared to those in Hong Kong – similar to the valuation gap before the 2007 high-end run here. He said that the high-end segment here could also be a beneficiary of Chinese demand, which did not factor in a big way in 2007 but could be a force in 2010.

    Looking ahead, top-end prices are expected to trend upwards. Prices here have stayed between $1,750 and $1,825 psf over the past quarter, up 38-44% from the bottom in April 09, DMG’s Mr Lee said. ‘Nonetheless, this represents 15-20% off Q4 2007 peaks, which should head upwards over the subsequent 6 months in the wake of the IRs’ opening and improved economy.’

    Property analysts are also encouraged by developers’ Q3 results. They came in mostly ahead of expectations, with year-on-year bottom-line growth.

    ‘Perhaps the most important takeaway is the substantial improvement in developers’ balance sheets,’ CIMB Research said in its Q3 2009 earnings round-up. ‘Robust property sales and stabilising asset values helped push down average net gearing from 0.5 times in Q2 2009 to 0.3 times for developers under our coverage.’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    I am not a MM supporter. However, you should not twist the fact.

    RWS did not say they will house up to 9 persons in a flat. In fact, RWS did not say anything. Please read the news properly.
    again i am not twisting any facts..

    i am posting my opinion to reinstate as to why those buying studio to rent to IR demand is just being too naive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    I am not a MM supporter. However, you should not twist the fact.

    RWS did not say they will house up to 9 persons in a flat. In fact, RWS did not say anything. Please read the news properly.
    I think proud owner just doing us a favour and painting a worst case scenario to beware of buying MM units as investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11
    I think proud owner just doing us a favour and painting a worst case scenario to beware of buying MM units as investment.
    i am only concern for those who bought studio on the belief that there will be such demand from IRs ..

    fact remains that IR general workers which will make up the bigger pct , simply cannot afford to rent a studio .. however close they are to the IR

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    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner
    i am only concern for those who bought studio on the belief that there will be such demand from IRs ..

    fact remains that IR general workers which will make up the bigger pct , simply cannot afford to rent a studio .. however close they are to the IR
    Believe it or not, I think it is very nice of you to raise your concern.

    Unfortunately, you use the wrong article. There are articles that warn buyers of the risk in buying MMs. This one doesn't.

    Those figures of 9 people in a flat, etc. are the rules of HDB - not RWS' plan/expectation. You did not twist the fact but you did misread them.

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    even 3 IR workers to a hdb flat of $2,200 in rental still means MM studios have been badly overpriced right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Believe it or not, I think it is very nice of you to raise your concern.

    Unfortunately, you use the wrong article. There are articles that warn buyers of the risk in buying MMs. This one doesn't.

    Those figures of 9 people in a flat, etc. are the rules of HDB - not RWS' plan/expectation. You did not twist the fact but you did misread them.

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    阿布扎比要助迪拜渡难关 世界领袖:迪拜危机只是小巫
    吴汉钧
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    星期日, 29-11-2009

    迪拜出现债务危机,阿布扎比表示将选择性协助迪拜渡过难关。

    阿布扎比已通过阿拉伯联合酋长国中央银行和两家私人银行向迪拜注资150亿美元 (US$15 billion)。阿联酋央行表示将密切关注迪拜债务危机,确保不对国家经济造成负面后果。

    世界领袖和国际银行也就迪拜债务危机大派定心丸。他们称,这个危机同环球金融危机比较是小巫见大巫,而且经过金融海啸洗礼的全球金融体系已有更好的防范措施。

    阿布扎比一名要求匿名的政府官员说,阿布扎比将有选择性地协助债务累累的迪拜。

    这名官员说:“我们会视迪拜的承诺而定,按个别情况协助他们。这不意味着阿布扎比将会承担所有的债务。”

    “迪拜的一些发展计划是商业性和半政府性质的。阿布扎比将会选择何时及从何协助。在事情明朗前,很难对债券作出进一步的投资决策。许多事情都有待迪拜厘清。”

    许多投资者以为,富裕的阿布扎比会对迪拜提供全面援助。

    根据阿联酋宪法,7个酋长国在这个松散的联邦内拥有独立的司法权,掌控自己的天然和财政资源。联邦政府不一定能使用这些资源,也没有义务为任何一个酋长国承担债务。

    尽管迪拜债务危机在全球引发广泛担忧,但世界领袖对经济复苏仍有信心。

    英国首相布朗说:“这虽然是一个挫折,但我认为我们会发现它和我们过去应付的危机规模不一样。世界金融体系如今更强韧了,能够应付浮现的问题。”

    法国总理菲永说,阿联酋有资源确保世界不会再度陷入第二轮金融动荡。

    加拿大财长费海提说,七国集团已商讨了迪拜债务危机,正在关注其后果。美国财政部也在密切监视迪拜的情况。

    印度财长慕克吉说,这个危机不会对印度造成太大影响。不过,政府会密切关注局势,会在必要时采取行动防止余波冲击。

    他说:“它的影响可能不会太大,因为我们的参与是如此的小,涉及的金额和世界经济相比是微乎其微。不过,保持警惕和适时有效干预,能避免一些眼前的危机。”

    阿联酋是印度第二大出口市场,来自阿联酋外汇收入占了印度总外汇收入的10%至12%。

    国际银行估计,它们在迪拜的曝险顶总额只是介于120亿至130亿美元(167亿至181亿新元 (approximately S$16.7-18.1 billion))。同国际货币基金组织预计欧美银行在2007年至2010年间减记的2万8000亿美元 (约3万9000亿新元 (approximately S$3.9 trillion))相比,这是小巫见大巫

    汇丰银行和摩根大通都表示不太担心迪拜世界的情况。汇丰银行在阿联酋的投资额约为159亿美元(约221亿新元 (approximately S$22.1 billion))。

    欧洲央行理事会成员欧菲尼德斯说:“近日在迪拜的事件只是一个打嗝,如果你喜欢这么说的话,或者说这是其中一个困难,这再次证明我们强调我们面临不确定性和前路可能依然崎岖不平是正确的。”

    投资者冷静下来后,分析迪拜危机的散播风险不如想像中严重,股市窜逃现象已见缓和。美国股市周五开市时暴跌超过2.0%,后来跌幅收窄,闭市时跌了近1.5%。欧洲股市经历周四的3.0%大跌后,周五回弹。

    分析家认为,这个危机不会造成长期影响,更不会导致脆弱的经济停止复苏

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    Singapore may be the new financial hub
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    Saturday, 28 November 2009, 2102 hrs IST


    Stars who own villas in Dubai Who is who in Dubai corporate map?

    The jury is out on what the future holds for Dubai. Fund managers and high-street bankers see the fall of Dubai as a prelude to the emergence of Singapore as the undisputed financial centre of Asia.

    “Dubai has a different charm. Many Indians, I feel, have discovered the world of numbered accounts in Dubai... besides, there’s no tax for individuals and corporates. Only foreign banks and insurance companies have to pay a nominal tax,” says Dilip J Thakkar, an expert on Fema matters.

    Surely, Singapore or Hong Kong, with tax rates of 18% and 16%, respectively, can’t match this. Many, like Mr Thakkar, are betting that it will soon be business as usual. They think that investors will take haircuts, European banks (which may be holding as much as $40 billion of Dubai’s $80 billion debt) will sell a slice of their investments, and a Kazakh-style clean-up and debt write-off will get the builder’s paradise up on its feet.

    But many fear the stigma would stick.

    “Market forces in Dubai never work the way they do in other parts of the world. Dubai never really became a financial centre and a large part of its progress was based on what was taking place in its real estate market. It never attained the stature that was given to a market like Hong Kong,” feels Munesh Khanna, managing director of the investment bank Centrum Capital. Singapore, according to Mr Khanna, will be a major beneficiary.

    It will be a bigger damage if Dubai authorities are not quick enough in striking a deal with the lenders, as this will impact capital flows to many emerging markets. The very shadow of default could make life difficult for the private sector in the entire Gulf region. Over the past few years, private firms have turned more dependent on foreign borrowing to fund their local growth, and chances are that foreign banks may trim exposure to the region.

    Indeed, “increased scrutiny by foreign lenders could curtail domestic growth in the region and aggravate the credit constraints on large family groups,” said an internal note of one of the foreign banks with exposure to the region.

    There is a higher possibility that investors would now prefer to operate out of more established jurisdictions, says Siddharth Shah who heads the corporate and securities practice group at the law firm Nishith Desai Associates. “What could help Singapore is its long history of a successful financial centre,” says Mr Shah.

    According to Seshagiri Rao, CFO and joint MD of JSW Group, markets may not collapse dramatically, but people fear that there may be more defaults of this kind in the days ahead. While many would agree with Mr Rao that the present sell-off in the financial market is to an extent sentiment-driven, global banks are grappling with an element of mistrust and disbelief.

    “Even if this does turn out to be a voluntary restructuring, the lack of clarity and ill-timing of this announcement are likely to raise the international cost of financing for the Emirate for some time to come,” says a note prepared by a large US bank. “Why did it happen? We frankly find no compelling explanation for such a move,” says the note.

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    Dubai's fall may be Singapore's gain
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    We've come across this article in The Economic Times which brought up a very interesting point - that IF things in Dubai don't improve, people might look elsewhere to put their moolah. A place that's much more stable and much more transparent, a city-state much like Dubai, but with only one fancy island for the uber-rich. You know who we're talking about. Yup, our glorious nation.

    Wow, imagine if Dubai fails spectacularly, and everyone flocks to Singapore! Wouldn't that be ... um ... great?

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    This is really hilarious......really..........
    Nearly fall of my chair just by reading the Subject......
    Anyway have a good week ahead.




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    Dubai's fall may be Singapore's gain
    H88
    Saturday, 28 November 2009, 22:47

    We've come across this article in The Economic Times which brought up a very interesting point - that IF things in Dubai don't improve, people might look elsewhere to put their moolah. A place that's much more stable and much more transparent, a city-state much like Dubai, but with only one fancy island for the uber-rich. You know who we're talking about. Yup, our glorious nation.

    Wow, imagine if Dubai fails spectacularly, and everyone flocks to Singapore! Wouldn't that be ... um ... great?

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    Not that I am black-heart but there are just this fixed amount of investment $ to go around and thus the demise of 1 competitor (in this case Dubai) will benefit the others (e.g. Singapore).

    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter

    Dubai's fall may be Singapore's gain
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    Saturday, 28 November 2009, 22:47

    We've come across this article in The Economic Times which brought up a very interesting point - that IF things in Dubai don't improve, people might look elsewhere to put their moolah. A place that's much more stable and much more transparent, a city-state much like Dubai, but with only one fancy island for the uber-rich. You know who we're talking about. Yup, our glorious nation.

    Wow, imagine if Dubai fails spectacularly, and everyone flocks to Singapore! Wouldn't that be ... um ... great?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Believe it or not, I think it is very nice of you to raise your concern.

    Unfortunately, you use the wrong article. There are articles that warn buyers of the risk in buying MMs. This one doesn't.

    Those figures of 9 people in a flat, etc. are the rules of HDB - not RWS' plan/expectation. You did not twist the fact but you did misread them.
    even 3 IR workers to a hdb flat of $2,200 in rental still means MM studios have been badly overpriced right?
    Then the following investments do not generate any rental returns (in fact even negative returns as they incur storage costs), so does that mean that they are even more badly overpriced?

    Gold, Silver, Paintings, Antiques, Stamps, Antique Cars, Old Books.

    Rental returns is something that is good to have, but is of secondary importance.

    The success or failure of an investment is determined by the big price movements, such as when a $40,000 Farrer Court HUDC apartment (1977) turned into $2.2 million (2007); a $195,000 Margate Road bungalow (1979) into $4.8 million (2006); or a US$85,000 Picasso's painting "Boy With A Pipe" (1950) into US$104 million (2004).



    In fact, there is a tendency (if you observe carefully) that the worse the rental return of a property, the higher the potential for capital appreciation (I'm not talking about MM studios here, as the verdict is still out).

    The reason is simple. The worse the rental return, the less competition there is from those with shallow pockets, as they are unable to hold.

    If you have the money, find something like this hotel (but it's too late for this one).










    Mitre Hotel, 145 Killiney Road.

    Room Rate (? %).

    Sold S$121 million. November 12, 2009.

    ps. the last photo is from another website and has nothing to do with this hotel.

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    i used to think h88 gave good reviews for its condos. now i am giving it a wide berth after it has become a propaganda station and clearly no longer unbiased.

    like you, i found it really hilarious...(i m still laughing now).

    apparently, no one cares about how much funds are now stuck/lost in dubai.

    Quote Originally Posted by kali-yuga
    This is really hilarious......really..........
    Nearly fall of my chair just by reading the Subject......
    Anyway have a good week ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Star

    Insight Down South
    Upper middle class folks are living in style
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    Saturday, 28 November 2009

    In recent months, I have had a few glimpses of how far Singapore’s upper middle class has moved ahead in the richest city in South-East Asia.

    The chance came as I was searching to rent a home, looking behind closed doors in the presence of an agent.

    After visiting some two dozen homes in several estates, a picture soon emerged of how well the upper gentry — roughly a third of the population — has benefited from the island’s prosperity.

    The upper middle class is, of course, a loose socio-economic offshoot of a broad middle class population.

    Who makes up this group? Generally, they include professionals, businessmen, managers, executives and, of course, high-earning senior civil servants and politicians.

    In my hunt, I have met home-owning doctors, administrators and shipping directors, with wives, more often than not, in similar professional strata.

    (The middle, middle class earners are mostly in sales, technical and clerical work while the working class includes manual workers, cleaners and labourers.)

    One family wanted to sell me its well-heeled, three-storey terrace house for S$1.6 million (RM3.9million), with one proviso — delivery only after December. That was when the whole family would resettle in Australia.

    The upper middle class (UMC) is defined not only by its earnings or wealth but also by education, social influence and lifestyles.

    To me, the extent this group has advanced economically in the past decade or so has been phenomenal. I had realised it only in general terms, but too substantially.

    Singapore’s UMC, of course, does not include the super-rich or the tycoons (who are in a class of their own) or wealthy foreigners who have been attracted to its shores.

    The UMC is most likely a millionaire, living in a luxurious condo or a landed property, a scarce commodity on this land-short island.

    Increasingly, the UMC is gunning for landed houses. There are only 68,300 landed houses, or 29% of the total private properties in Singapore — and future growth is minimal.

    The upper middle class person has a car and a maid — possibly even two of each — and his family takes annual overseas trips every year.

    His growing emergence is the result of years of rapid economic expansion and an education system that pushed out tens of thousands of graduates ever year, particularly women.

    The economic power of the female professionals is one of the major factors for the phenomenon.

    The lifestyles of many of the residents are far more lavish than I had realised.

    Staggering to me is the number of owners who spent S$150,000 to S$600,000 (RM366,000 to RM1.4mil) refurbishing or rebuilding their homes, adding one or two storeys. It has changed the landscape.

    This sort of money could buy a bungalow even in suburban America, let alone in most parts of Asia. Not many UMC folk have swimming pools or spas or are chauffeur-driven but they are not short of other luxuries.

    For lack of a better phrase, I’d call them Singapore’s “poorer class of millionaires”.

    In a two-storey home, I saw various family members watching cable television on five 37-inch LCD sets in their own rooms. One was attached next to the dining table so that none needed to miss any programme while eating. In front of the house were parked two cars.

    When I mentioned it, a cable TV technician laughed: “You’re behind time. It’s quite common now. I just installed a set in a bathroom.”

    They send their children to study abroad, own several mobile phones, one for each family member (except possibly grandmum), and invest heavily in the latest high-tech gimmickry.

    At one restaurant, a friend of mine saw a family of four eating a meal that included premium New Zealand beef and prime ribs for the children that cost about S$25 (RM61) each.

    Some of the kids eat their school lunch at Japanese restaurants, update their mobile and table-top technology regularly — and go on European trips with classmates.

    Finance professor Francis Koh of the Singapore Management Univer­sity was quoted by a newspaper as saying: “The profile of the wealthy is changing; the wealth is filtering to younger people.

    “Today’s rich Singaporeans are not only more willing to spend, but want to be seen doing so.”

    The really wealthy, estimated at 8-10%, are described as having at least S$1mil (RM2.4mil) in financial assets. In the past few years, Singapore has recorded more new millionaires than any other country in the world.

    Next in line is the UMC; some economists estimate some 19-20% of Singaporeans belong to this group, with the broad middle class making another 37-40%.

    Estimates differ, sometimes widely, until a proper, detailed survey is carried out.

    On average, these high-earning individuals earn S$7,000 (RM17,000) a month, possibly much more.

    The third part of today’s Singapore is the lower middle class and the poor, the republic’s biggest potential for social friction. They make up the bottom 30% of society.

    In several previous columns, I have written about the widening gap between the rich and the poor and the public discontent that it has stirred.

    Class is often a sensitive and subjective matter in every country, including Singapore.

    To prevent tensions from simmering, the government wants to avoid (not always succeeding) any excessive flaunting of wealth, especially by well-paid government leaders.

    Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong warned: “If we let the politics of envy drive a wedge between us, our society will be destroyed and all will suffer.

    "That must never happen."
    Our friend up north watching us?

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    The reason I found it funny is, who the hell really give a damm about DIFC??? Its has always been a mickey mouse "Financial Centre" since its start in 2004. This is SO mainstream reporting.

    And even if funds flow out due to the potential/possible default, shouldn't moey go to QFC (Qatar Financial Centre) which is closer to home and where the sovereign balance sheet is way stronger???

    Sigh.....I really rest my case........


    quote=bargain hunter]i used to think h88 gave good reviews for its condos. now i am giving it a wide berth after it has become a propaganda station and clearly no longer unbiased.

    like you, i found it really hilarious...(i m still laughing now).

    apparently, no one cares about how much funds are now stuck/lost in dubai.[/quote]

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Economic Times

    Singapore may be the new financial hub
    Sugata Ghosh & Krishna Gopalan
    The Economic Times
    Mumbai, Maharashtra, India
    Saturday, 28 November 2009, 2102 hrs IST


    Stars who own villas in Dubai Who is who in Dubai corporate map?

    The jury is out on what the future holds for Dubai. Fund managers and high-street bankers see the fall of Dubai as a prelude to the emergence of Singapore as the undisputed financial centre of Asia.

    “Dubai has a different charm. Many Indians, I feel, have discovered the world of numbered accounts in Dubai... besides, there’s no tax for individuals and corporates. Only foreign banks and insurance companies have to pay a nominal tax,” says Dilip J Thakkar, an expert on Fema matters.

    Surely, Singapore or Hong Kong, with tax rates of 18% and 16%, respectively, can’t match this. Many, like Mr Thakkar, are betting that it will soon be business as usual. They think that investors will take haircuts, European banks (which may be holding as much as $40 billion of Dubai’s $80 billion debt) will sell a slice of their investments, and a Kazakh-style clean-up and debt write-off will get the builder’s paradise up on its feet.

    But many fear the stigma would stick.

    “Market forces in Dubai never work the way they do in other parts of the world. Dubai never really became a financial centre and a large part of its progress was based on what was taking place in its real estate market. It never attained the stature that was given to a market like Hong Kong,” feels Munesh Khanna, managing director of the investment bank Centrum Capital. Singapore, according to Mr Khanna, will be a major beneficiary.

    It will be a bigger damage if Dubai authorities are not quick enough in striking a deal with the lenders, as this will impact capital flows to many emerging markets. The very shadow of default could make life difficult for the private sector in the entire Gulf region. Over the past few years, private firms have turned more dependent on foreign borrowing to fund their local growth, and chances are that foreign banks may trim exposure to the region.

    Indeed, “increased scrutiny by foreign lenders could curtail domestic growth in the region and aggravate the credit constraints on large family groups,” said an internal note of one of the foreign banks with exposure to the region.

    There is a higher possibility that investors would now prefer to operate out of more established jurisdictions, says Siddharth Shah who heads the corporate and securities practice group at the law firm Nishith Desai Associates. “What could help Singapore is its long history of a successful financial centre,” says Mr Shah.

    According to Seshagiri Rao, CFO and joint MD of JSW Group, markets may not collapse dramatically, but people fear that there may be more defaults of this kind in the days ahead. While many would agree with Mr Rao that the present sell-off in the financial market is to an extent sentiment-driven, global banks are grappling with an element of mistrust and disbelief.

    “Even if this does turn out to be a voluntary restructuring, the lack of clarity and ill-timing of this announcement are likely to raise the international cost of financing for the Emirate for some time to come,” says a note prepared by a large US bank. “Why did it happen? We frankly find no compelling explanation for such a move,” says the note.
    Since capital flowing into Dubai may now flow to Singapore instead, as predicted by the fund managers and bankers, maybe owners of The Sail @ Marina Bay should consider buying Burj Al Arab (Arab Sail) collectively?

    One must admit it is really nice looking, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Since capital flowing into Dubai may now flow to Singapore instead, as predicted by the fund managers and bankers, maybe owners of The Sail @ Marina Bay should consider buying Burj Al Arab (Arab Sail) collectively?

    One must admit it is really nice looking, right?
    It is all about confidence. Not sure whether funds will shift to Singapore but one thing for sure, gold is going up partly due to insiders knowing about Dubai's crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 联合晚报

    狗仔偷拍坏好事 陶喆移民狮城避狗仔?
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    陶喆明年将暂别歌坛,去圆导演梦。

    曾因港台狗仔偷拍以致恋情胎死腹中,陶喆想换个环境:现在住的环境让我很懊恼、很烦!

    ..........
    ..........

    陶喆目前大多时间都人在台湾,他表示,确实因饱受狗仔跟拍的困扰,多次考虑换一下居住的环境,“我当然想换环境,但不会只是这个(狗仔)原因,还会有多方面的考量。

    新加坡列入移居考虑范围之内,苦笑称:“至少新加坡没有狗仔!
    I am quite impressed with David Tao's songwriting and music. Maybe it is because I am too heavily influenced by American music.

    Hopefully he will migrate here.

    If he quit music, he can always become a policeman in our SPF since he was a former LAPD cop.

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    Does Abu Dhabi have a financial centre? not yet? Qatar didn't pop up in my mind but i found it hilarious why the report sounded like funds MUST move to sg because dubai has fallen. there are just too many alternatives.



    Quote Originally Posted by kali-yuga
    The reason I found it funny is, who the hell really give a damm about DIFC??? Its has always been a mickey mouse "Financial Centre" since its start in 2004. This is SO mainstream reporting.

    And even if funds flow out due to the potential/possible default, shouldn't moey go to QFC (Qatar Financial Centre) which is closer to home and where the sovereign balance sheet is way stronger???

    Sigh.....I really rest my case........


    quote=bargain hunter]i used to think h88 gave good reviews for its condos. now i am giving it a wide berth after it has become a propaganda station and clearly no longer unbiased.

    like you, i found it really hilarious...(i m still laughing now).

    apparently, no one cares about how much funds are now stuck/lost in dubai.
    [/quote]

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