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    I wouldn't quote a man on China whom they once called "a Sinner for a Thousand Generations" and a "Snake".



    ‘The interesting thing is that more and more people are becoming PRs and citizens,’ he says. ‘A lot of them are very rich and want the best product. So you’ve got to be a good developer producing good products like Wheelock or SC Global or Hotel Properties Ltd (HPL).’

    We also know that right now the government is cutting back on approving new PR and Citizen applications. In this economic climate the disquiet revolving around the size of the foreign population is going against this observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snail
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    We also know that right now the government is cutting back on approving new PR and Citizen applications. In this economic climate the disquiet revolving around the size of the foreign population is going against this observation.
    Really?

    Well, I guess we will have to depend on STB to bring in the USD millionaires then.

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    STB hopes to attract more high net worth individuals to Singapore
    Wong SiewYing
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    Wednesday, 21 October 2009, 2058 hrs


    Singapore's skyline

    The tourism stakes are high and Singapore is trying to woo more visitors. It is betting on the two integrated resorts due to open next year, and also spinning for a more diverse crowd.

    The Singapore Tourism Board (STB) said that it is on track to meeting its target of attracting 9 to 9.5 million visitors to the city this year. Despite the economic downturn, 6.2 million tourists visited Singapore in the first 8 months of this year.

    STB's strategy ahead is to woo more high net worth individuals, or those with at least a million US dollars to invest.

    "Singapore is limited by its size and capacity and therefore, in that case, we need to make sure that we attract the right kind of audience," said Chew Tiong Heng, director, Destination Marketing, Singapore Tourism Board.

    "While we will not neglect people with smaller budgets, we want to make sure there are options to attract people in the high net worth category," Mr Chew added.

    STB told a media conference that Singapore can no longer compete on price, as operating cost is higher here compared with its neighbours. What it can offer is more value and activities for visitors, on top of high profile events like the Youth Olympic Games, the F1 race and F1 Rocks concerts in 2010.

    Mr Chew said: "2010 is going to be an exciting year. It is going to be a year where we are going to present a transformed Singapore to the world, so that if they find it a bit more costly to come to Singapore, they understand that there is a reason why that is so.

    "So in terms of the value proposition that we are giving to consumers henceforth, it will be something of a very first world experience that they get in this part of the world."

    Singapore is also working with its neighbours to boost the cruise industry and attract long-haul visitors to the region. The Pacific Asia Travel Association said that Asia Pacific is a top choice for over two-thirds of travellers from the UK and US.

    STB is also looking at promoting Singapore more aggressively at emerging markets like the Middle East, and it expects to launch a branding campaign there over the next one to two years. However, STB noted that competition is heating up.

    "Seoul is very aggressive in positioning itself as a convention city. Thailand is also very aggressively positioning itself as an exhibition city," said Jacqueline Ng, director, Industry Development Division, Singapore Exhibition & Convention Bureau.

    STB hopes to build on 2008, a record year for Singapore's business travel industry with 3 million business visitors - garnering S$6 billion in tourism receipts.

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    More land for private housing
    The Straits Times
    Friday, 6 November 2009, 3:56pm


    Of the 24 residential sites and two mixed-use sites where private homes can be built, 10 are new ones and 5 are sites for executive condominiums (EC). -- Photo: Alphonsus Chern, ST

    Government on Friday announced that its land sales programme for the first half of 2010 will have 42 sites, including a slew of residential plots.

    8 of the sites are on the confirmed list, which means that these will be put up for tender regardless of developers' interest, and these are all for residential developments.

    The rest of the sites are on the reserve list, where sites will be pushed out for sale only after a developer indicates his interest by committing to a minimum bid.

    Of the 24 residential sites and two mixed-use sites where private homes can be built, 10 are new ones and 5 are sites for executive condominiums (EC).

    All the residential sites are located outside the city centre, where more affordable private housing are expected to be built.

    The confirmed list sites include sites in Tampines Avenue 1, Sembawang Road and a new EC site in Buangkok Drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrecisionDrive, SkyscaperCity
    Non-EC Confirmed List
    1. Choa Chu Kang Road / Woodlands Road (above Bukit Panjang LRT Depot)
    2. Tampines Avenue 1/ Tampines Avenue 10
    3. Boon Lay Way / Lakeside Drive
    4. Simei Street 3
    5. Upper Serangoon Road / Pheng Geck Avenue

    6. Sembawang Road / Canberra Drive (sales agent: HDB)

    Non-EC Reserved List
    1. Jalan Jurong Kechil
    2. Upper Changi Road North / Flora Drive
    3. Bartley Road / Lorong How Sun
    4. Hougang Avenue 2
    5. Stirling Road
    6. Jalan Eunos/Foo Kim Lin Road

    7. Tampines Road (sales agent: HDB)
    8. Bishan Street 14 (sales agent: HDB)
    9. Sengkang West Avenue / Fernvale Link (sales agent: HDB)
    10. Yishun Avenue 7 / Canberra Drive (sales agent: HDB)
    11. Hougang Avenue 7 (sales agent: HDB)
    12. Pasir Ris Drive 3 / Pasir Ris Drive 4 (sales agent: HDB)
    13. Miltonia Close (sales agent: HDB)


    EC Confirmed List
    1. Buangkok Drive/Compassvale Bow
    2. Yishun Avenue 11

    EC Reserved List
    1. Punggol Field / Punggol Road
    2. Jurong West Street 42
    3. Sengkang East Avenue / Buangkok Drive
    Wah! So many EC sites!
    Will there be takers for these EC sites? There were few takers or no taker the last few rounds.

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    Do not confuse this as being bullish on property in general and especially do not be confused with SG properties that is priced in SGD that is apprecaiting against the greenback.

    If u hold usd dollars then u should buy assets quick. Especailly property in HK due to the USD dollar peg. This is the way the tycoons try to preserve their wealth. This explains why HK luxury property is soaring but SG luxury property is struggling to rise.



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    Henderson’s Lee Sells Shares to Buy Land in Hong Kong
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    Friday, 30 October 2009, 6:32pm CCT



    Billionaire Lee Shau-kee said he has sold as much as 30% of his Hong Kong stock investments and is buying land, betting that the government’s efforts to cool home prices won’t work.

    Lee, chairman and controlling shareholder of Henderson Land Development Co., has put HK$20 billion (US$2.6 billion) of proceeds from the sale of shares into real estate, he said at a press conference in Hong Kong yesterday.

    Hong Kong’s third-richest man is increasing his holdings as the government tries to rein in a 28% surge in home values that’s sparked tensions with the city’s developers. The government has raised down payments for luxury apartments and threatened to intervene if the market becomes “unhealthy.”

    The new mortgage measures are not going to have much impact on luxury home prices,” said Lee, 81, whose wealth was estimated at $9 billion by Forbes Magazine in March. “Most of those buyers are tycoons and don’t need to take up mortgages to buy.”

    While luxury home prices have been rising, a weekly measure of Hong Kong homes priced at less than HK$10 million -- the Centa-City Leading Mass Index -- declined 0.3% for the week ended Oct. 25.

    Some buyers have been holding off in hopes they “will benefit since the government doesn’t want prices to continue rising,” said Wong Leung-sing, an associate director at Centaline Property Agency Ltd., which produces the index with City University of Hong Kong.

    Henderson Land rose 7.5% on the Hong Kong stock exchange to HK$55.80, making it today’s best-performer on the Hang Seng Property Index. The shares snapped a five-day decline spurred by concern that government attempts to rein in speculation would hurt earnings.

    Sales Tactics

    Lee’s comments came as Hong Kong Financial Secretary John Tsang stepped up criticism of developers’ sales tactics and expressed concern that the boom in the luxury market would spread to smaller apartments.

    “Developers should not mislead the market or distort the public’s views on the market,” Tsang told legislators yesterday, according to a transcript on the government’s Web site. “I’m concerned about the confusion over the recent sales tactics and transacted prices of the primary residential market.”

    Lawmakers have criticized Henderson for renumbering floors in its 39 Conduit Road development. The top floor of the 46- story building was labeled 88 because the number is considered lucky in Chinese.

    “Our clients like auspicious numbers and it’s common for Hong Kong developers to omit some floors,” Lee said yesterday. The floor-numbering was specified in the developer’s brochures and is “nothing special,” he said.

    'I Don’t Lie'

    Lee also said the HK$439 million price paid for a duplex in 39 Conduit Road was “100% real.” Henderson claimed the HK$71,280 psf price was a record for Asia.

    I don’t lie,” Lee said. “Buyers like these apartments as they are similar to rare jewelry. The more expensive it is, the more the buyers like it.”

    The increase in luxury prices hasn’t affected the mid- segment market, he said. An apartment larger than 1,000 sqft (93 sqm) is categorized as luxury under local industry standards.

    Hong Kong luxury home prices rose 28% in the first nine months of 2009, according to Colliers International. On Oct. 14, Hong Kong Chief Executive Donald Tsang expressed concern that a property bubble may be forming.

    The Hong Kong dollar is pegged to the U.S. currency, so a decline in the U.S. dollar makes the city’s assets cheaper for non-residents, boosting demand further.

    Depreciating Dollar

    “With the depreciation in the dollar, if you don’t buy fixed assets, you will lose money,” Lee said.

    Henderson Land and partner New World Development Co. will pay HK$9.6 billion ($1.24 billion) for a building site, Lee said. Henderson is also spending more than HK$10 billion buying old buildings for redevelopment.

    Values of homes of at least 160 sqm have broken a previous record set in the third quarter of 1997, the Hong Kong Monetary Authority, the city’s central bank, said in an Oct. 23 statement to banks when it tightened downpayment requirements.

    Henderson and New World agreed to buy an agricultural site from the government and convert it to residential use, with an allowed 2.95 million square feet of floor area, Henderson said in a Hong Kong stock exchange statement yesterday.

    The average price is HK$3,253 psf, according to the statement. Henderson units will pay HK$6.53 billion. Of that, HK$5.45 billion will be paid by the company, with outside shareholders in the units paying the balance.

    Henderson’s Land

    Henderson owned 32.4 million sqft of agricultural land in Hong Kong as of June 30, the biggest among the city’s developers, the company said in August.

    The developer also has paid HK$4.2 billion for nine old buildings it bought to redevelop in Hong Kong, and expects to pay another HK$6 billion for similar acquisitions, it said in the statement.

    Lee ranked third in Forbes Magazine’s list of Hong Kong’s wealthiest people published in March, behind Li Ka-shing and the Kwok family of Sun Hung Kai Properties Ltd.

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    More property cooling measures: 8 mass market sites
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    Saturday, 7 November 2009, 11:41

    The government will be force feeding the mass market private property segment with at least 6 residential and 2 Executive Condominium (EC) sites to cool down the market.

    With mass market condos leading a bull charge since early 2009 and HDB prices skyrocketing to record highs, the government has made good its promise made on 14th September. All 8 sites are clearly located in the suburbs sending a clear signal that they will not tolerate irrational exuberance.

    The sites on the confirmed list are:
    1. Choa Chu Kang Road / Woodlands Road (above Bukit Panjang LRT Depot) ~200 units
    2. Tampines Avenue 1/ Tampines Avenue 10 ~605 units
    3. Boon Lay Way / Lakeside Drive ~525 units
    4. Simei Street 3 ~ 250 units
    5. Upper Serangoon Road / Pheng Geck Avenue ~150 units
    6. Sembawang Road / Canberra Drive ~290 units
    7. Buangkok Drive/Compassvale Bow (Executive Condo) ~520 units
    8. Yishun Avenue 11 (Executive Condo) ~385 units

    It is estimated that 2,925 units are expected to be yielded from this confirmed list. There are also a long list of other sites that have been put on the reserve list here which in could flood the market with up to another 7,625 residential units. In total, 10,550 residential units could be built on all these land ... so the next time someone tries to sell you something with "Singapore is short of land ... price sure go up ...", give him/her a dirty look okay?

    Here are snapshots of the site locations taken from URA:

    1. Choa Chu Kang Road / Woodlands Road (above Bukit Panjang LRT Depot) ~200 units
    Are we reading this right? A condo is to be built over an existing LRT Depot (Ten Mile Junction)?


    2. Tampines Avenue 1/ Tampines Avenue 10 ~605 units
    If you love views, this could be it! Reservoir/Greenery view (on two sides!) anyone? This is on the northern shores of Bedok Reservoir, beside The Tropica and Temasek Polytechnic in District 18.


    3. Boon Lay Way / Lakeside Drive ~525 units
    We find out today what is going to happen to the site between Lakeside MRT and the Caspian - its going to be another massive mass market condo with around 525 units! Now ... what will they do with that empty piece of land directly south of the MRT?


    4. Simei Street 3 ~ 250 units
    As if this place is not crowded enough with 5 mass market condominiums and 1 DBSS (Parc Lumiere) around the corner ... but it is beside Eastpoint Mall and Simei MRT, making this one of the most attractive sites in the area. We expect a hotly contested war between developers for this piece of land considering the response Double Bay got earlier in the year.


    5. Upper Serangoon Road / Pheng Geck Avenue ~150 units
    It's weird. The designation is Upper Serangoon Road and the Planning area is Toa Payoh ... but hardly any of it refers to this place to what we all know it as: Potong Pasir. Beside Potong Pasir MRT and with its back facing a huge landed estate with unblocked view. This site will give 8@Woodleigh a run for its money!


    6. Sembawang Road / Canberra Drive ~290 units
    Well this isn't exactly the best location at first glance, but it does have its charm. This area is mostly landed and pretty quiet! Close to Sembawang Shopping Centre.


    7. Buangkok Drive/Compassvale Bow (Executive Condo) ~520 units
    This site was watched by many couples waiting for a BTO launch in the area. Although it doesn't take up the whole stretch of empty fields, we expect more EC's to come. The Quartz, which was recently complted can be seen across the road and Buangkok MRT station is just a short walk away.


    8. Yishun Avenue 11 (Executive Condo) ~385 units
    It is interesting to note that the Yishun Avenue 11 site (~385 units) designated for Executive Condominium use is in the same estate as the unlaunched The Estaury at Yishun Avenue 2 and might give MCL a hard time. Executive Condominium purchases have the advantage of a usually lower price point and even a $30,000 HDB first-timer grant in a very price sensitive market segment. Perhaps MCL should buy this up as well and corner the market?

    Now the big question though, is whether all this land being injected into the system will translate to what we all want: lower prices! Developers can buy low ... but will they sell low?

    Another question is if the bidding war between developers heats up and the winner takes the plot at a crazy price, will the government reject a ridiculously high bid for the land?

    High land price? No problem! Just make every unit a Studio or 2BR and magic! Singaporeans buy. Strange right?

    Do you like these plots of land? Or are you doubtful this will help the market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter

    More property cooling measures: 8 mass market sites
    H88
    Saturday, 7 November 2009, 11:41

    The government will be force feeding the mass market private property segment with at least 6 residential and 2 Executive Condominium (EC) sites to cool down the market.

    With mass market condos leading a bull charge since early 2009 and HDB prices skyrocketing to record highs, the government has made good its promise made on 14th September. All 8 sites are clearly located in the suburbs sending a clear signal that they will not tolerate irrational exuberance.

    The sites on the confirmed list are:
    1. Choa Chu Kang Road / Woodlands Road (above Bukit Panjang LRT Depot) ~200 units
    2. Tampines Avenue 1/ Tampines Avenue 10 ~605 units
    3. Boon Lay Way / Lakeside Drive ~525 units
    4. Simei Street 3 ~ 250 units
    5. Upper Serangoon Road / Pheng Geck Avenue ~150 units
    6. Sembawang Road / Canberra Drive ~290 units
    7. Buangkok Drive/Compassvale Bow (Executive Condo) ~520 units
    8. Yishun Avenue 11 (Executive Condo) ~385 units

    It is estimated that 2,925 units are expected to be yielded from this confirmed list. There are also a long list of other sites that have been put on the reserve list here which in could flood the market with up to another 7,625 residential units. In total, 10,550 residential units could be built on all these land ... so the next time someone tries to sell you something with "Singapore is short of land ... price sure go up ...", give him/her a dirty look okay?

    Here are snapshots of the site locations taken from URA:

    1. Choa Chu Kang Road / Woodlands Road (above Bukit Panjang LRT Depot) ~200 units
    Are we reading this right? A condo is to be built over an existing LRT Depot (Ten Mile Junction)?


    2. Tampines Avenue 1/ Tampines Avenue 10 ~605 units
    If you love views, this could be it! Reservoir/Greenery view (on two sides!) anyone? This is on the northern shores of Bedok Reservoir, beside The Tropica and Temasek Polytechnic in District 18.


    3. Boon Lay Way / Lakeside Drive ~525 units
    We find out today what is going to happen to the site between Lakeside MRT and the Caspian - its going to be another massive mass market condo with around 525 units! Now ... what will they do with that empty piece of land directly south of the MRT?


    4. Simei Street 3 ~ 250 units
    As if this place is not crowded enough with 5 mass market condominiums and 1 DBSS (Parc Lumiere) around the corner ... but it is beside Eastpoint Mall and Simei MRT, making this one of the most attractive sites in the area. We expect a hotly contested war between developers for this piece of land considering the response Double Bay got earlier in the year.


    5. Upper Serangoon Road / Pheng Geck Avenue ~150 units
    It's weird. The designation is Upper Serangoon Road and the Planning area is Toa Payoh ... but hardly any of it refers to this place to what we all know it as: Potong Pasir. Beside Potong Pasir MRT and with its back facing a huge landed estate with unblocked view. This site will give 8@Woodleigh a run for its money!


    6. Sembawang Road / Canberra Drive ~290 units
    Well this isn't exactly the best location at first glance, but it does have its charm. This area is mostly landed and pretty quiet! Close to Sembawang Shopping Centre.


    7. Buangkok Drive/Compassvale Bow (Executive Condo) ~520 units
    This site was watched by many couples waiting for a BTO launch in the area. Although it doesn't take up the whole stretch of empty fields, we expect more EC's to come. The Quartz, which was recently complted can be seen across the road and Buangkok MRT station is just a short walk away.


    8. Yishun Avenue 11 (Executive Condo) ~385 units
    It is interesting to note that the Yishun Avenue 11 site (~385 units) designated for Executive Condominium use is in the same estate as the unlaunched The Estaury at Yishun Avenue 2 and might give MCL a hard time. Executive Condominium purchases have the advantage of a usually lower price point and even a $30,000 HDB first-timer grant in a very price sensitive market segment. Perhaps MCL should buy this up as well and corner the market?

    Now the big question though, is whether all this land being injected into the system will translate to what we all want: lower prices! Developers can buy low ... but will they sell low?

    Another question is if the bidding war between developers heats up and the winner takes the plot at a crazy price, will the government reject a ridiculously high bid for the land?

    High land price? No problem! Just make every unit a Studio or 2BR and magic! Singaporeans buy. Strange right?

    Do you like these plots of land? Or are you doubtful this will help the market?
    For the BUYERS, please read the FINE PRINT for today papers.
    Alot site will be out. BUT it will be priced near 1000psf.
    Only the value in old condos, will be pulled slightly up again.
    But if u are thinking if more sites for sale, resulting in lower prices.

    READ FINE PRINT AGAIN,for their estimated launching price.

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    Huat Tat loh. All praise to Mr Mah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Property_Owner
    Huat Tat loh. All praise to Mr Mah.

    For so called cooling measures to the property market..
    Is another history making of newer levels,in term prices and psf.

    HUAT CAI LIAO..!!!

    One of the buyer for my own unit,told me. Tdy papers announce more sites to be launched.
    I told him read FINE PRINT. Launches be selling at $1000psf. U only read the Main HEADLINES huh.??

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    What does your buyer mean? If he think there are so many more sites to be launched and property price is going to be cheaper, why is he still a buyer now? Might as well wait for the price to go down again first before looking to buy?

    If we look at all the land sites to be launched, we can see that there are no land sites in CCR region. As such, we can gauge that the aim of the govt is to provide more mass market condos and ECs at more affordable prices (since mass market condos have surpasses their 2007 peaks while prime region condos still much below 2007 peaks).

    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    For so called cooling measures to the property market..
    Is another history making of newer levels,in term prices and psf.

    HUAT CAI LIAO..!!!

    One of the buyer for my own unit,told me. Tdy papers announce more sites to be launched.
    I told him read FINE PRINT. Launches be selling at $1000psf. U only read the Main HEADLINES huh.??

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    Quote Originally Posted by Property_Owner
    Huat Tat loh. All praise to Mr Mah.
    For so called cooling measures to the property market..
    Is another history making of newer levels,in term prices and psf.

    HUAT CAI LIAO..!!!

    One of the buyer for my own unit,told me. Tdy papers announce more sites to be launched.
    I told him read FINE PRINT. Launches be selling at $1000psf. U only read the Main HEADLINES huh.??
    Do you notice that everytime the government trys to "cool" the market by releasing more land, the market gets hotter and hotter?

    It's like this satay man using his fan to "cool" the fire ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    Do you notice that everytime the government trys to "cool" the market by releasing more land, the market gets hotter and hotter?

    It's like this satay man using his fan to "cool" the fire ...

    Priced near 1000psf for those areas? Logical?

    How much people are at the buying queue now? The total tally for primary market sales last month came in at about 700-800 units - down significantly from the 1,143 private homes sold in September.

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    No queue never mind, Developers don't bid for land to be sold by Govt, so no new condos available. Today ST Forum published an idiot asking Govt to ballot sale of land at controlled price for private properties so that private properties will remain cheap and affordable to most Singaporeans. He take it for granted that it is Govt responsibilities to provide cheap condos for him to buy just like providing cheap HDBs? Does he not know that Govt need the funding from the land sale to do many things? Otherwise he thought where they get all the goodies and rebates given to Citizens in recent years?

    Also lower transactions do not mean prices will drop. (Just like lower number of shares transacted means share price will drop). In fact, lower transactions could also mean sellers asking for higher & higher prices and not desperate to sell down at current bidders' lower prices and hence in an uptrend market prices will sure go higher? (Postulating experience from shares trading).

    Quote Originally Posted by ronyyk76
    Priced near 1000psf for those areas? Logical?

    How much people are at the buying queue now? The total tally for primary market sales last month came in at about 700-800 units - down significantly from the 1,143 private homes sold in September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    For the BUYERS, please read the FINE PRINT for today papers.
    Alot site will be out. BUT it will be priced near 1000psf.
    Only the value in old condos, will be pulled slightly up again.
    But if u are thinking if more sites for sale, resulting in lower prices.

    READ FINE PRINT AGAIN,for their estimated launching price.
    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    For so called cooling measures to the property market..
    Is another history making of newer levels,in term prices and psf.

    HUAT CAI LIAO..!!!

    One of the buyer for my own unit,told me. Tdy papers announce more sites to be launched.
    I told him read FINE PRINT. Launches be selling at $1000psf. U only read the Main HEADLINES huh.??
    You are probably referring to the news on The Straits Times today.

    Anyway, with 5 EC sites on hand, the government is politcally covered even if some of these sites choose to join the OCR $1,200 psf Club, whose members include Centro, Trevista, 100 Trees, Serangoon A3, Meadows, etc..

    Quote Originally Posted by The Straits Times

    Government to offer slew of sites for homes
    Eight confirmed sites and as many as 26, to allay fears of shortage
    Joyce Teo
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    Saturday, 7 November 2009

    The government acted ahead of schedule yesterday in following through on its pledge to release plenty of land sites to meet strong demand for mass market homes outside the city centre.

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    Units on the sites may then sell for close to $1,000 psf, he added.

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    In all, 42 sites are available for sale in the first half of next year, comprising 24 purely residential sites, two mixed use sites that must include residential use, five commercial sites, 10 hotel sites and one site permitting a range of uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Business Times Weekend

    Singapore’s eighth wonder
    Faced with competition from regional countries also eyeing the benefits of the casino gaming industry, the two IRs cannot afford to be complacent
    Roland Tan
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    Saturday, 7 November 2009

    A few weeks ago, Singaporeans watched in awe the hoisting of a seven hundred tonne beam linking the towers of Marina Bay Sands (MBS) to form the Skypark – a vast rooftop garden, while at Sentosa, Resorts World Sentosa (RWS) was working on the finishing touches to the rides for its Universal Studios Theme Park.

    Just how awesome these two integrated resorts (IRs) are is becoming more visible by the day. Together, they will cost in excess of $13 billion when they are complete. Not only will they be iconic attractions, but within five years they could bring in 17 million top quality tourists who will spend in excess of $30 billion and help create over 100,000 jobs, directly and indirectly.

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    Singapore’s superb infrastructure and security has already attracted many high net worth families to make this country their second home. MICE operators are also already taking bookings to hold meetings and exhibitions in Singapore.

    London is a good example of how casinos helped attract many Arab families to relocate there when their second homes in Beirut were overrun by the civil war in the 1970s. Of course, casinos were not the only attraction: London, like Singapore, has some of the best private schools, medical facilities and shopping. But for high net worth individuals, its casinos were an important part of its entertainment value. More than 5,000 high net worth families from Beirut and elsewhere in the Middle East moved to London during the late 1970s, causing a mini boom in the markets for housing and top-end services.

    Today, many wealthy foreigners are choosing to spend time in Singapore – as evidenced by the notable levels of purchases of property by foreigners in recent years. With the opening of the IRs, it is likely that demand for high-end accommodation will increase further.

    ..........
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    In the face of such competition, it will be a constant challenge for Singapore’s IRs to keep reinventing themselves to draw in high-rollers from around the world and keep their attractions compelling to tourists.

    Ronald Tan is a casino gaming consultant who has been associated with the industry since the 1970s.
    "Early January 2010" (for RWS) is only 2 months away.
    Let's see if Ronald is right. Hopefully he is.

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    What happens if one day the government runs out of land to sell?

    When I look at these sites, they are mostly already surrounded by developments.

    Will there be a day when the news headline reads like this ...

    "The Government has Finished Selling its Last Piece of State Land

    Minister Mah Bow Tan said that his ministry has no more land to sell.

    As a gesture of goodwill, Mr. Mah will put up his bungalow for sale by tender to interested developers. "That's practically the last piece of land I have on hand", he said."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    What happens if one day the government runs out of land to sell?

    When I look at these sites, they are mostly already surrounded by developments.

    Will there be a day when the news headline reads like this ...

    "The Government has Finished Selling its Last Piece of State Land

    Minister Mah Bow Tan said that his ministry has no more land to sell.

    As a gesture of goodwill, Mr. Mah will put up his bungalow for sale by tender to interested developers. "That's practically the last piece of land I have on hand", he said."
    haha..Nice one.
    But, not sure any country experienced such before. Hong Kong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    No queue never mind, Developers don't bid for land to be sold by Govt, so no new condos available. Today ST Forum published an idiot asking Govt to ballot sale of land at controlled price for private properties so that private properties will remain cheap and affordable to most Singaporeans. He take it for granted that it is Govt responsibilities to provide cheap condos for him to buy just like providing cheap HDBs? Does he not know that Govt need the funding from the land sale to do many things? Otherwise he thought where they get all the goodies and rebates given to Citizens in recent years?

    Also lower transactions do not mean prices will drop. (Just like lower number of shares transacted means share price will drop). In fact, lower transactions could also mean sellers asking for higher & higher prices and not desperate to sell down at current bidders' lower prices and hence in an uptrend market prices will sure go higher? (Postulating experience from shares trading).
    Agreed. Too much intervention by Gov will make the trade un-attractive to investors. Singapore is far behind Hong Kong.

    When there is nobody buying, ain't some serious sellers need to sell cheaper to attract buyer? That transaction will trigger bad market's price? . Unless all sellers have plenty holding power. Else, surely there will be some desperate sellers going to spoilt the market.During July-September, most of these condo were brought by singaporean investors are actually HDBd upgrader from middle class. Just wonder how long can these folks hold on to their investment, and hope they don't spoilt the market price.

    Market price shall be determined by both parties, the buyer and the seller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    London is a good example of how casinos helped attract many Arab families to relocate there when their second homes in Beirut were overrun by the civil war in the 1970s. Of course, casinos were not the only attraction: London, like Singapore, has some of the best private schools, medical facilities and shopping. But for high net worth individuals, its casinos were an important part of its entertainment value. More than 5,000 high net worth families from Beirut and elsewhere in the Middle East moved to London during the late 1970s, causing a mini boom in the markets for housing and top-end services.

    Today, many wealthy foreigners are choosing to spend time in Singapore – as evidenced by the notable levels of purchases of property by foreigners in recent years. With the opening of the IRs, it is likely that demand for high-end accommodation will increase further.

    ..........
    ..........

    In the face of such competition, it will be a constant challenge for Singapore’s IRs to keep reinventing themselves to draw in high-rollers from around the world and keep their attractions compelling to tourists.

    Ronald Tan is a casino gaming consultant who has been associated with the industry since the 1970s."Early January 2010" (for RWS) is only 2 months away.


    Let's see if Ronald is right. Hopefully he is.
    You have just reminded me of an article from The Edge Singapore.

    The Edge Singapore

    NY Eclipses London as Financial Centre, Singapore's No 2 in Poll

    The ascent of Singapore and the decline of London reflect the rise of specialised financial centres that cater to specific segments of the industry

    November 2, 2009

    New York has withstood the worst economic crisis in seven decades and remains the leading global financial centre, followed by Singapore, which topped London as investors' preferred place for doing business, according to the Bloomberg Global Poll.

    NewYork 29%
    Singapore 17%
    London 16%
    Shanghai 11%
    Dubai 5%
    Tokyo 1%
    Some other place 11%
    Have no idea 10%

    If Singapore is able to pull off its hat trick, I guess there's really no limit to how high property prices here can rise.

    Seriously, Singapore is the only financial city in the world which is rejunvenated.

    I won't be surprised if Singapore eventually replaces New York as well.

    Just look at the contrast below ...





    Which city looks like a financial centre for the 22nd century? And which looks exactly like it did 76 years ago when King Kong climbed the Empire State Building?


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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    What does your buyer mean? If he think there are so many more sites to be launched and property price is going to be cheaper, why is he still a buyer now? Might as well wait for the price to go down again first before looking to buy?

    If we look at all the land sites to be launched, we can see that there are no land sites in CCR region. As such, we can gauge that the aim of the govt is to provide more mass market condos and ECs at more affordable prices (since mass market condos have surpasses their 2007 peaks while prime region condos still much below 2007 peaks).
    Probably the buyer wan to stage down the prices with these news.
    But he didnt know that we buy at some low prices, and is so much easier to hold.
    The 1 month rental can cover for my 2 months mortgages.

    More of trying his luck. Well some ppl are just born this way,if they missed the buy in March. And just wan try their luck to have a share of the pie. Especially alot making bucks from properties..

    But still not dare to venture into it. To me i guess,if they dont buy in the PAST,then wont buy at PRESENT. OR even in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    Do you notice that everytime the government trys to "cool" the market by releasing more land, the market gets hotter and hotter?

    It's like this satay man using his fan to "cool" the fire ...


    The government is smart in releasing the land sales,during the hot period. Enable to fetch higher price.

    Why the government dont want to sell lands when market is down.?? Of coz dont gain much,if gov is selling low in recession.

    Hip hip Horray..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronyyk76
    Agreed. Too much intervention by Gov will make the trade un-attractive to investors. Singapore is far behind Hong Kong.

    When there is nobody buying, ain't some serious sellers need to sell cheaper to attract buyer? That transaction will trigger bad market's price? . Unless all sellers have plenty holding power. Else, surely there will be some desperate sellers going to spoilt the market.During July-September, most of these condo were brought by singaporean investors are actually HDBd upgrader from middle class. Just wonder how long can these folks hold on to their investment, and hope they don't spoilt the market price.

    Market price shall be determined by both parties, the buyer and the seller.
    If u are referring to the HDB upgraders, these mass market condos to them is so much affordable. With the sale proceeds from HDB,the remaining sums is so insignificant. Plus the man and woman paying through their cpf, no hard cash require to pay for the mortgages.

    Mass market condo never plunge as much as High end condos,bcoz price is slightly more/same compared to HDB 5I or EA.

    The buyers find the price easy to swallow,and to cross the gap.

    *Some owners have their Hdb and condo..
    Worst rent out the HDB,easier to rent out. And stay in Condo.
    Husband CPF to pay off the HDB mortgages, while the Wife cpf pays off for the Condo mortgages. And with the rental from HDB 2k. Is comfortably pays off the maintaince and some differences in the condo mortgages if required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    Probably the buyer wan to stage down the prices with these news.
    But he didnt know that we buy at some low prices, and is so much easier to hold.
    The 1 month rental can cover for my 2 months mortgages.

    More of trying his luck. Well some ppl are just born this way,if they missed the buy in March. And just wan try their luck to have a share of the pie. Especially alot making bucks from properties..

    But still not dare to venture into it. To me i guess,if they dont buy in the PAST,then wont buy at PRESENT. OR even in future.
    Add on: They are unable to bring themselves to buy at the market prices,when they have seen lower prices in the past.

    Actually i also cant bring myself to buy,coz my parents bought a 60k HDB. That worth ard 380-400k at this current market.
    LOGIC.??

    But HDB buyers still LL buy the HDB at market price,like it or not.

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    Actually, it is like trading shares. These people should try their hands on shares first. Properties are just a longer-term version of shares. Very often, after price hits bottom and starts to climb back up, people will say sell me at $xxx low price or else I wait lah because so volatile sure drop one, not real recovery, economy still in recession mah.
    Price up some more they will say sell me at $xxx+1% low price or else I wait lah, sure have correction one because number of shares transacted have dropped (just like now many keep saying sure have correction one, especially transacted number of properties have dropped).
    Price up some more and they say sell me at $xxx+2% low price or else since I have waited so long, I sure wait lah.
    Then newspapers said economy recovered already, they say wah, economy recover already, coast cleared, cheonged ah! Must grab at any price otherwise sure go up a lot very quickly!

    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    Probably the buyer wan to stage down the prices with these news.
    But he didnt know that we buy at some low prices, and is so much easier to hold.
    The 1 month rental can cover for my 2 months mortgages.

    More of trying his luck. Well some ppl are just born this way,if they missed the buy in March. And just wan try their luck to have a share of the pie. Especially alot making bucks from properties..

    But still not dare to venture into it. To me i guess,if they dont buy in the PAST,then wont buy at PRESENT. OR even in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    You have just reminded me of an article from The Edge Singapore.

    The Edge Singapore

    NY Eclipses London as Financial Centre, Singapore's No 2 in Poll

    The ascent of Singapore and the decline of London reflect the rise of specialised financial centres that cater to specific segments of the industry

    November 2, 2009

    New York has withstood the worst economic crisis in seven decades and remains the leading global financial centre, followed by Singapore, which topped London as investors' preferred place for doing business, according to the Bloomberg Global Poll.

    NewYork 29%
    Singapore 17%
    London 16%
    Shanghai 11%
    Dubai 5%
    Tokyo 1%
    Some other place 11%
    Have no idea 10%

    If Singapore is able to pull off its hat trick, I guess there's really no limit to how high property prices here can rise.

    Seriously, Singapore is the only financial city in the world which is rejunvenated.

    I won't be surprised if Singapore eventually replaces New York as well.

    ..........
    ..........
    Let me post this piece of news from The Business Times, which was not posted here, for those who have missed it.

    This piece of news has great importance and implication. Please don't dismiss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Business Times Weekend

    Singapore pips London as No 2 financial hub
    New York stays clear favourite in global survey of investor choice
    The Business Times Weekend
    Saturday, 31 October 2009

    Singapore has emerged as the second leading global financial centre after New York.

    While New York has withstood the worst economic crisis in seven decades, London slipped behind Singapore as investors’ preferred place for doing business, according to a global survey.

    Some 29% of respondents in the quarterly Bloomberg Global Poll of investors, traders and analysts say that New York will be the best place for financial services two years from now. ‘Despite the carnage of 2008, I still expect the ‘new new’ thing in financial services to be developed and nurtured here (New York), and ultimately exported to the world,’ says Peter Rup, a fund manager at Artemis Wealth Advisors in New York.

    Singapore is chosen by 17% of the respondents and London is the pick of 16%. Shanghai has 11%. Tokyo, once considered a global hub, gets the nod from just 1%.

    On a separate question, respondents say that China, Brazil and India offer investors the best opportunities for making money. The US, Europe and Japan are seen to have less potential.

    The ascent of Singapore and the decline of London reflect the rise of specialised financial centres that cater to specific segments of the industry.

    Many hedge funds have left London because of a new top income-tax rate of 50% for higher earnings and regulations planned by the European Union that restrict the amount they can borrow.

    Consulting firm Kinetic Partners says that it had helped 23 hedge-fund firms move to Switzerland from London in the past 18 months and is looking to relocate another 15 since the UK announced a higher tax rate in April.

    ‘About 20% of the hedge-fund community could leave the UK in the next two or three years,’ says London-based David Butler, a founder of Kinetic. ‘The feeling among the hedge-fund community is there is a better place to be.’

    Singapore and Shanghai are growing in popularity as firms look for ways to tap the wealth that has accumulated in China and the rest of Asia. Private wealth management, in particular, is growing in Singapore, which has no capital-gains tax.

    Everything in Singapore is so well organised. Everything is so efficient. Everything works,’ says Gary Addison, a partner at the private-equity firm Actis Capital, which has US$2.9 billion under management. Mr Addison worked in London, then Tokyo, before moving to Singapore two years ago.

    The investment climate attracts firms seeking high returns. ‘I perceive Singapore to be a little more of the tawdry wild west, or I guess tawdry wild ‘east’,’ says Pacific Income Advisors in Santa Monica, California.

    Shanghai isn’t as well established as Singapore. Some 11% of those polled see the city as the top financial centre because of the huge growth potential in China. As credit remains tight in the US, China will try to unleash the excess savings of its citizens, says Anthony Comorat at Lydian Trust Co in Palm Beach, Florida.

    Dubai remains a popular regional financial centre for investors who want to take advantage of the oil wealth in the Middle East. The sheikdom is the preferred locale of 5% of those polled.

    ‘No one can compete with Dubai in terms of a place to live and work,’ says Paul Reynolds, head of debt and equity advisory for the Middle East at NM Rothschild & Sons, in Dubai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    Probably the buyer wan to stage down the prices with these news.
    But he didnt know that we buy at some low prices, and is so much easier to hold.
    The 1 month rental can cover for my 2 months mortgages.

    More of trying his luck. Well some ppl are just born this way,if they missed the buy in March. And just wan try their luck to have a share of the pie. Especially alot making bucks from properties..

    But still not dare to venture into it. To me i guess,if they dont buy in the PAST,then wont buy at PRESENT. OR even in future.

    For those who brought during March...Cheers! Return is good now.

    Property maket is not as Volatile as stock market. Generally, buyers and investors are more careful, more rational and have more patience to wait. If they miss that boat, they will generally wait longer(maybe next few quarters where supply could be overflow with completed or new projects) to buy a good property at a fair price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronyyk76
    For those who brought during March...Cheers! Return is good now.

    Property maket is not as Volatile as stock market. Generally, buyers and investors are more careful, more rational and have more patience to wait. If they miss that boat, they will generally wait longer(maybe next few quarters where supply could be overflow with completed or new projects) to buy a good property at a fair price.
    Depressed sale will be applicable to certain buyers that had bought at the high price, or if the buyer buy alone. Therefore holding power not strong enough.

    BUT most buyers are buying into new project,top in 2014 or 2015.. That they dont even need to hold until is topped. They are buying time,in hope recession be over by the time ready completeion. Flipping time.

    *There are alot cases,4 buyers pool in the downpayment of 1unit. Share share to buy. Share with frzds, with siblings, with relatives etc...
    Holding power is stronger than we can expect of, if u are not aware of too
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    Lucky for them, I doubt Singapore will take over just becoz we have prettier buildings .

    I think two very big reason why NY is going to be leading financial centre for a long long time =>
    NASDAQ => Market cap of USD$2.8 Trillion
    NYSE => Market cap of USD$10.8 Trillion
    Not to mention all the leading banks and investment firms.

    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    I won't be surprised if Singapore eventually replaces New York as well.

    Just look at the contrast below ...





    Which city looks like a financial centre for the 22nd century? And which looks exactly like it did 76 years ago when King Kong climbed the Empire State Building?

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    If they miss wat to do except to wait till next recession.

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    Wait for another 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Property_Owner
    If they miss wat to do except to wait till next recession.

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