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    http://www.straitstimes.com/News/Hom...ry_350320.html

    March 15, 2009 Sunday

    Small flats, big sellers

    Demand for smaller space leads developers to downsize units to as tiny as 300-plus sq ft

    By Tan Dawn Wei


    Crowds flocked to a preview of condominium Domus on Friday. Its smallest units are 474 sq ft. -- ST PHOTO: JOSEPH NAIR FOR THE SUNDAY TIMES

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    What do you call a space which can fit four hawker stalls?

    In the case of a new property development called Kembangan Suites, the space is called a one-bedroom apartment.

    It is all of 344 sq ft.

    But small is now big. On just the first day of a preview last week, the developer sold out 60 units of mostly one- and two-bedders ranging in size from 344 sq ft to 581 sq ft.

    The smallest units were going for about $300,000.

    Industry sources said demand is coming from local and foreign singles, young couples as well as cost-conscious buyers and investors.

    Before that, Alexis @ Alexandra sold all its 293 units, including 114 one-bedders (366 sq ft to 527 sq ft), with prices from $450,000.

    Other new launches like Mount Sophia Suites in Sophia Road, Nova 88 in Bhamo Road and Zenith in Zion Road are offering studio apartments or one-bedders from 366 sq ft to 484 sq ft.

    Crowds flocked to a preview on Friday of new condominium Domus in Irrawaddy Road. The smallest units there - one-bedders at 474 sq ft each - were going for more than $400,000.

    Its developer, Lakeview Investments, said those were the most popular and all units released in the first phase had been sold.

    'It's the size of a hotel room,' veteran designer Jay Ang said of the new 300-something sq ft homes.

    'You have space only to sleep and eat. There's definitely no place to entertain,' noted the specialist in space planning and storage space customising.

    But while there are no rules on how small apartments can go, designers and architects have to make concessions for standard dimensions, like how wide a door is, how long a bed is or how deep a wardrobe is.

    Developers have quickly cottoned on to this demand for small spaces. Several have rejigged or are considering tweaking their designs and making space for smaller units.

    Sing Holdings' project The Laurels in Cairnhill Road will go from its original 150 units of mostly three- and four-bedders to 290 units that include more one- and two-bedroom units.

    UOL Group may also resize the units of its Green Meadows project in Upper Thomson to attract more cost-conscious buyers.

    Alexis' developer, ECPrime, had done the same before the project's launch.

    City Developments said studio apartments in centrally located projects had always been popular because of the lure of city-living.

    Studio apartments comprised almost 40 per cent of the offerings at its downtown project, The Sail @ Marina Bay, which was completed last year.

    Carving up space for more units is one way a developer can achieve higher dollar per square foot value, said Mr Nicholas Mak, director of research and consultancy at Knight Frank.

    'Developers manage to sell such small units because they make it affordable in absolute terms,' he said.

    But, property pundits said, when apartments continue to shrink and prices per square feet remain high, home-seekers may go back to buying HDB flats and those looking to rent may decide to go for HDB rooms instead.

    The size of private one-bedroom units has halved from 10 years ago.

    HDB flats have downsized too, from about 1,130 sq ft for a four-room in 1987 to 970 sq ft now.

    Still, Singapore homes have not shrunk to the proportions of those in Hong Kong and Tokyo, where apartments can be as tiny as 140 sq ft.

    That is not to say that all buyers are happy with the slimming effect.

    Finance executive Audrey Yap, 35, who is shopping for a bachelorette pad, said: 'I can't afford the bigger apartments but the studio apartments are ridiculously small and claustrophobic. I think I may have to settle for a resale HDB flat.'

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    Medical tourism on the mend
    Shuli Sudderuddin
    The Sunday Times
    Sunday, 14 December 2009


    The medical tourism industry looks to be in the pink of health again, after suffering the recession. - Photo: Chew Seng Kim, ST

    The medical tourism industry looks to be in the pink of health again.

    Things are looking up after the recession — which hit last year and continued for much of this year — caused some pain.

    As many countries’ economies have stabilised, industry folk like Dr Wong Seng Weng are more upbeat.

    Wong, medical director at The Cancer Centre, said the end of last year was “a quiet period but there’s been a return of confidence”.

    Over at Parkway Health, its spokesman said it has seen a “steady recovery” since the middle of this year.

    “Generally, in a downturn, patients tend to postpone non-critical surgery,” noted the spokesman.

    In the 4th quarter of last year, Parkway’s 3 hospitals saw a 7% to 8% drop in the number of Indonesian patients.

    At Pacific Healthcare Holdings, which runs specialist centres and clinics, things are also looking up. It suffered a 10% fall in medical tourists last year.

    Indonesians form the largest group of medical tourists. The financial crisis last year weakened the rupiah, and there were also uncertainties about the economy and when it would rebound,” said Dr William Chong, chief executive of Pacific Healthcare.

    Those in the industry noted that while treatments in Singapore are not cheap, our reputation as a hub of medical excellence continues to be a draw.

    Comparing prices, Nanyang Technological University’s Professor David Reisman said a procedure for cardiac bypass costs US$18,500 here, versus US$9,000 at a reputable hospital in Malacca or Penang.

    “The same procedure would cost US$130,000 in the US, so Asia is still a good buy,” he added.

    Medical groups are targeting patients from places as far away as Russia, Germany and Sweden. They are also attracting patients from the US who are covered by their companies, or personal health insurance.

    The medical travel sector is fairly resilient, given that health-care treatments are often a matter of necessity, and we continue to work towards the 2012 target,” said a spokesman for the Singapore Tourism Board.

    It aims to attract 1 million patients by 2012.

    Figures from SingaporeMedicine show that last year, 646,000 visitors were associated with the nation’s health-care services, up from 571,000 in 2007.

    This number counts both patients and those who accompanied them here, as well as tourists who received incidental health care.

    SingaporeMedicine is a government-industry partnership to promote the country as a world-class health-care destination.

    Efforts include that of Dr Wei Siang Yu, who founded medical tourism portal Fly Free For Health. Users can get opinions from doctors and nurses online so that they feel reassured about travelling here, said Wei, who has also seen heavier traffic over the last 4 months.

    Certainly, while many people may still be careful about spending, even as the global economy is mending, they take health — a matter of life and death — seriously.

    Take the case of Dzung Nguyen, 30, who took his father Nguyen Van Hung, 53, to The Cancer Centre when the latter was diagnosed with gastro-intestinal cancer 3 months ago.

    So far, Dzung, a letter carrier in Vietnam, has spent about $10,000 on chemotherapy, lodging and airfare.

    “We’ve been tightening our budget because of the recession, but we decided to come to Singapore. While it’s the most expensive place in South-east Asia, it’s also one of the best and one of the closest to us,” he said.

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    Excellent Freehold Investment in District 9, Fantastic layout.
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    Buzz in private housing sales continues
    Weekend sales of about 45 units at Waterscape at Cavenagh and over a dozen units at L'VIV
    Kalpana Rashiwala
    The Business Times
    Thursday, 25 February 2010

    The buzz in private home sales appears to be continuing even after last Friday evening’s government announcement of new measures to cool the property market.

    About 45 units at Hiap Hoe’s Waterscape at Cavenagh are said to have been sold since Saturday – the bulk of them 1-bedders although some 2- and 3-bedroom units were also sold. Hiap Hoe is understood to have offloaded 61 units so far in the 200-unit project, which will be officially launched soon. The majority of buyers are understood to be Singaporeans; foreigners made up about 15%-20% of purchasers.

    The freehold project is 5 to 7 storeys high. The average price achieved is understood to be about $1,873 psf, with prices ranging from $1,738 to $2,010 psf. The lowest-priced unit sold was a 1-bedder of 581 sqft on the 2nd level that fetched $1.03 million or $1,778 psf.

    Wing Tai is also understood to have sold slightly more than a dozen units over the weekend at L’VIV at Newton Road. This takes total sales to about 35 units.

    The 147-unit freehold project comprises almost entirely of 1- and 2-bedroom units (both with study). The average price is said to be about $2,000 psf and buyers have to purchase on the old deferred payment scheme (DPS). They pay 20% of the purchase price initially with the rest deferred till the 32-storey project receives Temporary Occupation Permit, which is expected around 2013.

    Developers that had obtained approval from the authorities to sell projects on DPS prior to the scheme being scrapped in October 2007 are still allowed to offer DPS.

    Last Friday, just hours before the government’s announcement, a joint venture between Sing Holdings and Forum Partners is said to have sold more than 40 units at The Laurels on Cairnhill Road, which is being developed on the former Hillcourt Apartments site.

    The units were sold at a 1-day private preview held for former owners of Hillcourt Apartments as well as the developers’ staff and business associates. Those who turned up for the preview were quoted a price range of $2,500 to $2,900 psf, although a one-bedder on the 18th floor is said to have sold at just a shade below $3,000 psf. In absolute quantum, the highest-priced unit transacted was a penthouse with 4 bedrooms and a garden that fetched almost $9.9 million or about $2,040 psf, BT understands.

    The buyers were mostly Singaporeans, although some Indonesians who had formerly lived in Hillcourt are also said to have bought. The Laurels will be next previewed in a fortnight, on March 13.

    The project is near Capitaland’s Urban Suites, where 88 units were sold last month at prices ranging from $2,213 psf to $2,921 psf.

    The landed housing market also continues to teem with activity. RealStar Premier Property Consultant managing director William Wong says that his firm has brokered or co-brokered 4 bungalow deals in the past few days. These include a 2½-storey property at Berrima Road off Dunearn Road that sold for $8.75 million or $1,944 psf, based on its land area of about 4,500 sqft. The bungalow was completed a few months ago.

    At Kheam Hock Road nearby, a brand new bungalow sold for $8.5 million or $1,577 psf. The other 2 transactions were at Namly Grove ($10.8 million or $1,125 psf) and Coronation Road West ($10.4 million or $906 psf).

    Mr Wong does not expect the measures announced by the government last Friday – which include a seller’s stamp duty for those who sell a residential property within a year of purchase – to affect landed property buyers. Those who buy bungalows often renovate them and this could take 6 months to a year; so they’re unlikely to have been planning to resell within a year, according to Mr Wong. Besides, bungalow buyers usually have more holding power, he added.

    Mr Wong forecasts a 5-10% rise in landed home prices this year, citing limited supply; the stock of landed homes on the island is much smaller than condos/apartments.

    Singaporeans make up about 60% of Mr Wong’s bungalow buyers these days; the other 40% are permanent residents, who are allowed to buy bungalows with land areas up to around 15,000 sqft.

    Meanwhile, at West Coast Crescent, agents marketing The Vision are said to be collecting cheques ahead of the 99-year leasehold project’s preview planned in the 2nd week of March.

    Those issuing cheques are said to have been told prices could be in the $1,000 psf to $1,200 psf range, although there will be an early bird discount.

    The Vision, being developed by a Singapore unit of Cheung Kong Holdings, comprises 281 apartments housed in 2 33-storey towers and 14 strata houses. The development will not have any 1-bedroom apartments, which typically are the first to be snapped up these days because of the lower entry barrier in terms of a smaller lumpsum investment.

    Instead, The Vision’s apartments will be 2-, 3-, and 4-bedders as well as penthouses. The majority of units are 3-bedroom apartments – mostly ranging from 1,259 to 1,313 sqft, with 3 ground floor units (inclusive of private enclosed space) of 1,776 sqft to over 2,000 sqft.

    Summing up the continued enthusiasm of home buyers, a seasoned property consultant said: ‘Buyers are quite confident prices wön’t fäll; in fact, they’re likely to rise because of the improving economy and the completion of the IRs.

    Agreeing, an agent says: ‘There’s still a lot of mönëy; if you can’t put it in property, where else can you put it?

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    2 Blocks of 20 Storey Tower in the heart of Orchard
    Consist of 229 untis of 1, 2, 3 and 4 bdrooms


    Laurels unit sizes:
    1 bdrm 549/ 604 sqft
    2 bdrms 883/990 sqft
    2+study 1001 sqft
    3 bdrms 1281-1313 sqft
    4 bdrms 1819 sqft

    Located in super prime District 9 Orchard
    Iconic Twin 20 Storey high development
    Excellent Freehold Investment in District 9, Fantastic layout.
    Exclusive, Prestigious and Glamorous Singapore Urban City Living
    Only mins walk to Orchard Road
    3 mins walk to the Heeren shopping mall
    4 mins drive to Clarke Quay, Diamaru and Central Shopping Mall
    5 mins drive to future Marina IR, Singapore Flyer and CBD
    6 mins walk to Somerset MRT
    10 mins walk to Mount Elizabeth Hospital
    Hundreds of amenities and shopping mall easily within reach
    Near Future Art Entertainment, Esplanade and City Hall
    Close Proximity to SMU and many international institutes
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    High Quality Finishes and MIELE branded appliances to every unit
    Highly rentable and popular among expatriates
    High Capital appreciation and Rental Yield

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbird72, SkyscraperCity, 12 March 2010 4.01 pm
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    SING HOLDINGS
    Seeing a good run today with the stock up 7% at one point. Hearing they
    will be officially launching "The Laurels" at Cairnhill this weekend.
    Heard from client that 3 out of the 4 penthouses have been sold at around
    S$4978 psf. 54 of the 1-bedder and 25% of the 2-bedder have already been
    sold in the soft launch. The average price of the development is between
    S$2700 - 2800 psf. DMG is taking clients for a site visit this evening.
    Wow!
    Sold at around $4,978 psf?

    What should we say now?
    Why not $5,000 psf? It's only $22 psf away?
    Last edited by Reporter; 12-03-10 at 17:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Wow!
    Sold at around $4,978 psf?

    What should we say now?
    Why not $5,000 psf? It's only $22 psf away?
    HOHO......TAKE UP RATE VERY GOOD..... almost 70% of 100 preview units sold in 2 days.....UNBELIABLE....AVERAGE PSF for 2 Bedrooms around #10 up is $3000 psf!!! and buyers are biting!!!!....Don't know why out of sudden so many people got money to buy.....Entire release of 180 units out of 220 available, at least 150 units taken up to date liao!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saab
    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Wow!
    Sold at around $4,978 psf?

    What should we say now?
    Why not $5,000 psf? It's only $22 psf away?
    HOHO......TAKE UP RATE VERY GOOD..... almost 70% of 100 preview units sold in 2 days.....UNBELIABLE....AVERAGE PSF for 2 Bedrooms around #10 up is $3000 psf!!! and buyers are biting!!!!....Don't know why out of sudden so many people got money to buy.....Entire release of 180 units out of 220 available, at least 150 units taken up to date liao!!!
    IS IT TRUE? IS IT TRUE?

    Looks like I have to make some big adjustments to my property spreadsheet.

    Somehow this has a dreamlike feel ...


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    would anyone buy for 2 bedroom at $3000psf, i wonder....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattle
    would anyone buy for 2 bedroom at $3000psf, i wonder....
    I am as puzzled as you.....you can check up the showflat to see the truth for yourself. 2 bedrooms at $3100 is also available i think at #17 but may be gone as i type this... Please do not mistaken that I am an agent.... I am not vested in orchard road properties but intend to "scout" for one....but rate at which it is going up i think not enough time for "scout" to signal back to "infantry battalion".....to react....Heard Urban Resort next door with 64 ultra posh units by Capitaland will be starting at $3500psf and already 7 units are sold at $3200 psf ++

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattle
    would anyone buy for 2 bedroom at $3000psf, i wonder....
    Ya btw, i at first..... before last friday...also wonder would anyone pay $1200 psf for a 99yrs leasehold condo at west coast just beside blue horizon......so wondering not enough lah...check it out yourself!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx, 15 March 2010 2.26 am
    IS IT TRUE? IS IT TRUE?

    Looks like I have to make some big adjustments to my property spreadsheet.

    Somehow this has a dreamlike feel ...

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    Did you link your spreadsheet to CONDOsingapore.com to enable real-time update?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Did you link your spreadsheet to CONDOsingapore.com to enable real-time update?
    btw, the l'viv by wingtai at newton also sold like "roti prata" Out of 147 units only 30 + left.... wingtai have sold a few floors on a "per floor basis".....now still available 2+study (1001sqft) asking 2100psf at #12 and #2250psf at #22....

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    I understand that asia has increased it's quota of it's billionaires.Are they investing in singapore market?.Whatever will happen to the local like me!!

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    Well!
    We will have to wait a month before we can see the nëw hïgh of $4,978 psf for the penthouses?


    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of January 2010
    Project Name .. Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    The Laurel ........ CCR ........ 41 ........................ 41 ......................... 2,970 ........... 2,741 ........... 2,041

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    Sorry! Prices above are for February 2010 - not January 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Sorry! Prices above are for February 2010 - not January 2010.
    High during preview is $3200 p sf liao just yesterday 14 march 2010!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Did you link your spreadsheet to CONDOsingapore.com to enable real-time update?
    That's a good idea!

    Here is more realtime than URA data! There are even live reports from showrooms!


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    wow u guys are really resourceful...I am impressed =) pls post link so we can all share the info !! Cheers!!

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    http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/...79840,00.html?

    April 5, 2010, 6.09 pm (Singapore time)

    Lian Beng wins S$95 mln contract to build Cairnhill Rd condo

    By ANGELA TAN


    Construction company Lian Beng Group has won a S$95 million contract by Sing Holdings (Cairnhill) Pte Ltd to design and build The Laurels, a premium condominium development situated at Cairnhill Road.

    The contract will include the construction of 229 apartment units housed within two 19-storey residential blocks, along a swimming pool, basement car park, and other ancillary facilities.

    Work on the development is scheduled to begin in April, and is expected to be complete by the first quarter of 2013.

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    hello.. does anybody have the latest transacted price for this property? thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattle
    hello.. does anybody have the latest transacted price for this property? thanks...
    Not sure abt last done, but current asking about $2,700 -$3,100. Future units released may be priced higher.

    Showflat to be closed on 19 Apr.

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    Developer is holding back 50 units for future re-launch...currently only balance 15 units of 3/4br.

    Anyone keen can feel free to contact me @ 81835132 for viewing before the showflat is closed down for construction.

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    The Laurels has a nëw hïgh of $3,193 psf!


    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of March 2010
    Project Name . Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    The Laurels ...... CCR ....... 156 ...................... 115 ......................... 3,193 ........... 2,830 ........... 2,097

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    Smile THE LAURELS

    Project Name: THE LAURELS
    Developer: Sing Holdings (Cairnhill) Pte. Ltd
    Property Type: Condominium
    Tenure: Freehold
    Completion Date: 30 Sept 2014
    Total Units: 229
    District No: 9










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    The Laurels in District 9 has a nëw hïgh of $3,337 psf!


    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of April 2010
    Project Name . Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    The Laurels ...... CCR ....... 175 ...................... 22 .......................... 3,337 ........... 2,904 ........... 2,367

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    Default The Laurels @ Cairnhill (District 9, Freehold)

    The Laurels @ Cairnhill (District 9)

    (Visit www.CondoExpert.sg or call Jonathan @ 8100-8004 for more information!)



    Summary


    Developer :
    Sing Holdings Pte Ltd.
    Est. TOP : Mid to End 2013
    District : 9 (Cairnhill)
    Est. Quantum Price : From $3+Mil Up (2+Study)
    Location : 38 Cairnhill Road
    No. Of Towers :
    2
    Tenure :
    Freehold
    No. Of Storey :
    19
    Site Area : 78,047 sqft
    No. Of Units : 229
    Main Orientation :
    North South Facing
    Units Composition : 1,2,2+Study,3,4 Bedrooms and Penthouse Distance to MRT : 10 Mins Walk to Somerset
    Buyers Eligibility : Locals/PRs/Foreigners
    Payment Scheme : Normal Progressive
    Primary Schools within 1km : Chatsworth International

    Unit Types and Sizes

    (No. of Units - Size (sqft))
    1 Bedroom
    45 - 549 / 667 / 721

    2 Bedrooms
    60 - 883

    2+ Study
    30 - 1001 / 1345

    3 Bedrooms
    75 - 1281 to 1927

    4 Bedrooms
    15 - 1819 / 2573

    Penthouses
    4 - 4768

    Total Units : 229

    Facilities


    Swimming Pool

    Jacuzzi
    Sky Terrace
    Children Playground
    BBQ pit
    Function Room
    Gymnasium
    Tennis Court

    Facilities



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    Visit www.CondoExpert.sg or call Jonathan @ 8100-8004 for more information on The Laurels as well as for other new launch condos!

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    such project should sell by itself....need not push sales through these forums/ even newspaper ad.

    i, bottom of league, definitely cant afford. maybe less than 10 forumers can afford. or more

    ain't this project supposed to be snapped by buyers at overseas roadshows?

    why advertise here?
    thot 90% sold....or that's not the case- nominees fronting as buyers?

    farnee

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