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    I was so glad to see the newspaper report this morning. In fact I got a shock when I saw the sales brochure last week. How can they possibly publish location and names of the stations even before the authorities announced it? The map is also very misleading. The closest 'planned' station is supposed to be beyond the TPE exit but on the map, it is drawn so close to the condo site. In actual fact, the TPE exit is a good 2 bus stops away.

    I think it is not only the agents and developers at fought. Check other forum threads and u can find overzealous owners of Waterfront Waves and Clover BY the Park who are contributing rumours about 'upcoming' MRT stations at Bedok Park and Bishan Park.

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    haha sue UOL fr misrepresentation and get a refund or discount...

    good luck to buyers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanchan
    I was so glad to see the newspaper report this morning. In fact I got a shock when I saw the sales brochure last week. How can they possibly publish location and names of the stations even before the authorities announced it? The map is also very misleading. The closest 'planned' station is supposed to be beyond the TPE exit but on the map, it is drawn so close to the condo site. In actual fact, the TPE exit is a good 2 bus stops away.

    I think it is not only the agents and developers at fought. Check other forum threads and u can find overzealous owners of Waterfront Waves and Clover BY the Park who are contributing rumours about 'upcoming' MRT stations at Bedok Park and Bishan Park.
    I FULLY AGREE that the industry needs to be heavily regulated.
    - Maps are so misleading.....shld give the actual map besides those fancy ones that total misrepresent the location
    - Dimensions of unit must be given as well
    - Specs must be more detailed
    - Agents must be regulated...and becos of their unique position, they need to be regulated to prevent trading and asymetrical info.
    - There needs to have a central national database for sale and buying of units....full disclosure and transparency

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    not only UOL, FEO also...

    Quote Originally Posted by kurby
    haha sue UOL fr misrepresentation and get a refund or discount...

    good luck to buyers....

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    yeah, i better re-quote the FEO part in the Silversea thread. Not that anyone bothers with that project anymore and FEO firing on all cylinders with adverts on both local tv, bloomberg and CNBC i saw last night.


    Quote Originally Posted by noblebaby
    not only UOL, FEO also...

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    Misleading Ads => Developer's Fault
    Never do due diligence => Your Fault

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    Quote Originally Posted by focus
    Misleading Ads => Developer's Fault
    Never do due diligence => Your Fault
    I don't think is buyers fault...

    Buyers are innocent...


    Due diligence should be marketing agent fault...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honesty
    I don't think is buyers fault...

    Buyers are innocent...


    Due diligence should be marketing agent fault...
    Ever heard pf caveat emptor? Or buyer beware?

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    i knew something is fishy with this ppty. good luck to those who bought it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfstan
    i knew something is fishy with this ppty. good luck to those who bought it.
    Let the buyers decide... either they are right or they are wrong. But there could be some possibility for it to coincide with the govt's plans. We don't know for certain until it is announced officially. You take a bet and gamble. Win if right, lose if wrong. Life is like that anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condorich
    Let the buyers decide... either they are right or they are wrong. But there could be some possibility for it to coincide with the govt's plans. We don't know for certain until it is announced officially. You take a bet and gamble. Win if right, lose if wrong. Life is like that anyway.
    You mean Kelong or not Kelong???

    If the location is exactly the plan, then must do a cross check, see who leak out information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condorich
    Let the buyers decide... either they are right or they are wrong. But there could be some possibility for it to coincide with the govt's plans. We don't know for certain until it is announced officially. You take a bet and gamble. Win if right, lose if wrong.
    that's true. it's known there is a "Thomson Line" announced. So buyer makes his own judgment/bet on this.

    In actual fact, the selling point of this project is never about MRT. You think those people already staying in Teacher's Estate, along Thomson road, Lentor area, Sin Ming area worry about MRT ? This project is targeting all those staying in old houses/old condos along Thomson area, not for HDB upgraders. For example , almost all the "normal" 3bds and 4bds are very large units so the quantum is way over 1m; also for all 4bds, there are 2 basin/washers ("his and hers") in master bathrm. Plus private lifts for almost all units. All these should suggest this is meant to be a mid level project.

    .. not that I agreed to the pricing though I think $800 could have been a sweet spot.

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    great job!

    From BT,

    "Sales at projects that have been on the market longer have tapered off. For instance, NTUC Choice Homes last week sold five units at its 99-year leasehold Trevista condo in Toa Payoh bringing total units sold to 478 units in the 590-unit condo.
    So far this month, the developer appears to have sold 65 units. The average price currently is $935 psf, higher than $898 psf initially. The price premium for IAS buyers is 2 per cent. So far 21 per cent of the total 478 units sold have been on IAS.
    Far East Organization sold 24 units last week at its various projects across the island. Its top selling projects were Waterfront Keys and Waterfront Waves in Bedok, Floridian in Bukit Timah, and Mi Casa in Choa Chu Kang.
    BT understands several other projects on the island saw sales of just one or two units over the weekend. Meadows @ Peirce is said to have seen sales of two units and Trizon in the Mount Sinai area, just one unit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    great job!

    From BT,

    "Sales at projects that have been on the market longer have tapered off. For instance, NTUC Choice Homes last week sold five units at its 99-year leasehold Trevista condo in Toa Payoh bringing total units sold to 478 units in the 590-unit condo.
    So far this month, the developer appears to have sold 65 units. The average price currently is $935 psf, higher than $898 psf initially. The price premium for IAS buyers is 2 per cent. So far 21 per cent of the total 478 units sold have been on IAS.
    Far East Organization sold 24 units last week at its various projects across the island. Its top selling projects were Waterfront Keys and Waterfront Waves in Bedok, Floridian in Bukit Timah, and Mi Casa in Choa Chu Kang.
    BT understands several other projects on the island saw sales of just one or two units over the weekend. Meadows @ Peirce is said to have seen sales of two units and Trizon in the Mount Sinai area, just one unit."

    RIGHT!!! As I mention before, the so call millionaire buyers had already "dry up"....

    The market now is stanaged, can't move anymore...

    No more bullets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honesty
    RIGHT!!! As I mention before, the so call millionaire buyers had already "dry up"....

    The market now is stanaged, can't move anymore...

    No more bullets...
    Implying that our Team Manager has forced our cars to a "pit drive through" while cars from other teams are surging forward?

    Perhaps we can do match-fixing in a F1 race, i.e. slowing down or crashing our cars to lose the race.

    However, I do not believe you can artifically fix your price to be much lower than your competitors. Market will find its level.

    Singapore is not much different from Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.. I do not believe we can "fix" our market ...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Business Times

    HK property on the fast track to recovery
    Home prices 26% up this year, erasing Q4 ‘08 post-Lehman loss
    The Business Times
    Tuesday, 29 September 2009

    Hedge fund manager Pan Lin Feng and two friends sensed opportunity when Hong Kong property prices plunged 20% last year after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc collapsed.

    In November, they bought a 1,500 square foot apartment, more than double the size of a typical Hong Kong flat, in the affluent Mid-Levels district for HK$9.8 million (S$1.8 million) from an owner shoring up stock and property losses. In July, the trio was offered HK$15 million.

    ‘It was a good deal,’ Mr Pan, 33, said. ‘It was real luck and everyone has benefited since.’

    Hong Kong home prices are up 26% this year, erasing losses posted between the Sept 15, 2008 demise of Lehman Brothers and Dec 31, 2008, according to the weekly Centa-City Leading Index. Mainland Chinese buyers and record mortgage rates lower than London and New York enabled Hong Kong to recover while the other financial centres struggle.

    Hong Kong is the world’s 5th-most expensive residential real estate market, after Monte Carlo, Moscow, London and Tokyo, according to Global Property Guide.

    The average value of all Manhattan apartments sold in the first six months of 2009 fell 12% from a year earlier, according to figures from Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate. Average home prices in London rose 0.3% in the first seven months, according to the UK Land Registry.

    Hong Kong property recovered faster because its banks are healthy and residents save money, said Khiem Do, head of the multi-asset group at Baring Asset Management (Asia) Ltd, which holds US$7 billion in assets, including shares of Hong Kong and China developers.

    Banks cut mortgage rates to their lowest in 19 years, with some offering loans with a 1%t interest rate, and the increasing number of customers helped boost property prices.

    ‘In Manhattan and London, if you see a great deal and you want to borrow from the bank, you’ll find it difficult,’ Mr Do said. ‘In Hong Kong and Singapore, the banks will be happy to lend.’

    Cindy Gan, a communications manager, said local banks undercut each other competing for her mortgage for a HK$3.8 million apartment near Causeway Bay in May. ‘They would counter-offer by improving the cash rebate and providing free first-year insurance,’ she said. ‘It was all about sweetening the deal.’

    She chose a 15-year loan with ICBC (Asia) Ltd starting with a 1% rate.
    The Hong Kong Monetary Authority (HKMA), the de facto central bank, warned lenders this month that their ‘intense price competition’ on home loans wasn’t sustainable.

    Financial services in Hong Kong suffered fewer job losses than in New York or London. The number of people employed on March 31 was 181,860, the Census and Statistics Department said. That’s down 10,840 since 2007.

    New York City is projected to lose 68,300 finance jobs in 2008 and 2009 combined, according to the New York State Department of Labor.

    In London, those losses will total an estimated 57,000, the Centre for Economics and Business Research said in April.

    Luxury homes in Hong Kong outperformed the housing market as tycoons snapped up properties, said Wong Leung-sing, research director at Centaline Property Agency Ltd. Prices of homes worth at least HK$10 million rose 30% this year, he said.

    ‘It’s reflecting not only a buoyant economy, but also the shortage of new supply in an extremely limited pipeline in the luxury market,’ said Simon Smith, senior director of research at Savills LLC in Hong Kong.

    In July, a house in Sky High on the Peak, the city’s most expensive residential area, sold for HK$300 million, making it this year’s most costly at HK$41,500 per square foot, said Benedict Ma, an analyst at CB Richard Ellis Group Inc. Sky High has four homes ranging in size from 540 to 620 square metres.

    Sun Hung Kai Properties Ltd, Hong Kong’s biggest developer by market value, raised prices of two penthouses at The Cullinan project by 50%. The 4,000 sq ft apartments are offered for HK$300 million, or HK$75,000 psf, each, said Victor Lui, executive director of the company’s real-estate broker.

    That would be the world’s second-most expensive price after a Monaco developer asked for the equivalent of HK$100,000, said Xavier Wong, head of research for Greater China at Knight Frank.

    Those amounts signal a price bubble in Hong Kong, said Francis Lun, general manager at Fulbright Securities Ltd.

    ‘The property developers are charging unconscionable prices and making obscene profit,’ Mr Lun said. ‘Those luxury properties are bought by mainlanders as trophies.’

    Luxury home prices may rise another 10% the rest of this year because of low interest rates and improving stock markets, Mr Ma said. The most ever paid psf for a local luxury house is HK$56,000 in June 2008 for Severn 8 at the Peak, another Sun Hung Kai project.

    ‘It’s hard to put a cap on the luxury end as you can’t use affordability ratio for any tycoon,’ said Buggle Lau of Midland Holdings Ltd, real estate firm.

    Prospective buyers lined up outside The Masterpiece, a high-rise across Victoria Harbor from the Central District, for apartments with 180-degree views of the skyline. A mainland Chinese client paid HK$150 million, or about HK$37,000 psf, for a furnished 4,088 sq ft show flat, said Jeff Lau, senior sales and marketing manager for builder New World Development Co.
    A local businessman paid HK$24.5 million, or HK$30,025 psf, for a one-bedroom, 816 sq ft apartment there.

    The overall home index may rise another 7% points for an annual gain of 30%, Mr Wong said.

    Interior designer Andrew Bell moved to Hong Kong two years ago and bought a 40-year-old walk-up apartment in the trendy Soho district. He sold the 400 sq ft unit last year for HK$4.5 million, double what he paid.

    He then bought a 260 sq ft unit last month for HK$2 million. He hopes to rent it for HK$25,000 after furnishing it with Qing dynasty antiques.

    ‘A lot of people think I’m crazy for buying this place,’ Mr Bell, 53, said. ‘But I really have confidence because everybody is really thanking God that the crisis is over.’

    Hong Kong home prices rebounded faster than the stock market. The weekly measure by Centaline and the City University of Hong Kong recovered to levels before Lehman’s collapse by June. The Hang Seng Index reached pre-collapse levels about a month later.

    Hong Kong’s yearlong recession ended last quarter, when a boost in export demand from China helped the economy grow 3.3% from the previous three months. Sales of all residential apartments in August almost tripled to HK$41 billion from a year ago, Land Registry figures show.

    The number of sales agreements on luxury residences more than tripled to 500, the agency said.

    The average size of a Hong Kong flat is about 700 sq ft, Knight Frank’s Mr Wong said. An apartment larger than 1,000 sq ft is considered a luxury flat by local industry standards.

    Mr Pan and his friends paid about HK$6,533 psf. They rejected the HK$15 million offer for their 27-year-old flat, where the monthly rent triples the mortgage payment.

    ‘We think there’s more upside if we wait,’ Mr Pan said.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Straits Times

    South Korea: Housing market sizzles again
    Lee JunBok
    The Straits Times
    Friday, 25 September 2009

    It is hard to miss the upbeat mood in South Korea these days. The latest economic indicators coming out of Asia’s fourth-largest economy show that the country is edging out of the financial doghouse that the world was thrown into late last year.

    One indicator that analysts have pointed to is the slowly but steadily rising housing prices. The appetite to buy property has returned on the back of record low borrowing costs.

    Since April, housing prices have climbed for 5 consecutive months, according to market data by Kookmin Bank. Last month, prices rose another 0.3% above the previous month.

    Housing prices in Seoul, the economic heart of the country, have a bearing on prices nationwide, and they went up by 0.5%. Transactions also picked up.

    'People are confident enough to buy houses because they sense they don’t need to hold on to cash any more,' said Mr Lee Chung Yeol, .....

    ..........
    ..........
    ..........

    ..... all that liquidity.’
    Quote Originally Posted by CNA

    Property prices in Taipei skyrocketing
    Christina Lo
    Taiwan Correspondent
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    Taipei, Taiwan
    Friday, 18 September 2009, 0028 hrs


    Taiwan property

    "To Let" or "For Sale" signboards were everywhere in Taipei when the global financial crisis hit in the fourth quarter last year.

    The real estate industry was among the most badly affected. Weak demand for residential property and office space also caused a sharp fall in prices.

    But a year later, property prices in Taipei have skyrocketed, while home sales in the West are still experiencing a slump.

    Professor Chang Chin-eh, Land Administration Department, National Chengchi University, said: "The financial crisis should have lowered housing prices. It actually did for a while, but large sums of capital kept coming in as everyone expected greater cross-strait relations."

    Low interest rates have also boosted demand and attracted speculators to the property market.

    "Houses have become popular investment tools. News reports encourage people to put money into housing market since the interest rate is low. So, the prices go up," said Prof Chang.

    Residing in Metropolitan Taipei is not easy. A housing magazine's survey has showed that Taipei citizens will have to work over 23 years, without spending on eating or drinking, if they want to save up for a three-bedroom apartment.

    A 100-square metre home costs about US$630,000 in the Taiwanese capital – a huge sum, considering that the average income of people in their early 30s is just over US$2,000 a month.

    One said: "It's a huge gap. It's difficult to buy a house for a family that only makes US$1,600 per month."

    "The rich will get richer. They have more chances to invest, but the middle-class might suffer from limited income," another added.

    Prof Chang said: "You will become a mortgage slave if you buy an overpriced house. It's a heavy burden if you buy it. In Taiwan, there are too many over-consumption and over-investment. It's not healthy."

    Property prices are expected to go up by another 20 to 30% in the next two to three years.

    Analysts said if nothing is done about it, continued strong demand could lead to over-inflated prices, developing into a housing bubble.

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    cannot, if you don't have enough fuel to get to the pits, u can't even do your drive through penalty.


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    Implying that our Team Manager has forced our cars to a "pit drive through" while cars from other teams are surging forward?

    Perhaps we can do match-fixing in a F1 race, i.e. slowing down or crashing our cars to lose the race.

    However, I do not believe you can artifically fix your price to be much lower than your competitors. Market will find its level.

    Singapore is not much different from Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.. I do not believe we can "fix" our market ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    great job!

    From BT,

    "Sales at projects that have been on the market longer have tapered off. For instance, NTUC Choice Homes last week sold five units at its 99-year leasehold Trevista condo in Toa Payoh bringing total units sold to 478 units in the 590-unit condo.
    So far this month, the developer appears to have sold 65 units. The average price currently is $935 psf, higher than $898 psf initially. The price premium for IAS buyers is 2 per cent. So far 21 per cent of the total 478 units sold have been on IAS.
    Far East Organization sold 24 units last week at its various projects across the island. Its top selling projects were Waterfront Keys and Waterfront Waves in Bedok, Floridian in Bukit Timah, and Mi Casa in Choa Chu Kang.
    BT understands several other projects on the island saw sales of just one or two units over the weekend. Meadows @ Peirce is said to have seen sales of two units and Trizon in the Mount Sinai area, just one unit."
    Why only half of the article was posted. Too excited over F1 and forgot to pay his subscription to The Business Times. That's why he received only half of the article?

    Anyway, here is the full article:


    Hundred Trees defies market chill elsewhere
    Sales taper off at many projects as cooling measures start to seep in
    Kalpana Rashiwala
    The Business Times
    Tuesday, 29 September 2009

    City Developments Ltd (CDL) sold a whopping 316 units last week at its Hundred Trees condo in the West Coast, a quarter of them on interest absorption scheme (IAS). Demand for most other projects, however, seemed to falter.

    'Hundred Trees is amongst the last few developments where buyers may opt for IAS,' CDL noted in its press release yesterday. The developer has raised the 956-year leasehold condo's average price from $895 psf initially to about $910 psf. Those who buy on IAS pay a 2.5% price premium.

    It was a different story elsewhere as house-hunters ponder the implications of the Sept 14 measures by the government to cool the market. These include scrapping IAS and restarting confirmed list government land sales in first half 2010.

    One property consultant even hazarded a guess that 'a pull-back in demand of 10% is not unrealistic'.

    BT understands that CapitaLand and its partners last week sold fewer than 20 units at The InterLace condo which will be developed on the Gillman Heights site, after selling 233 units the preceding week. No IAS is being offered for the 99-year leasehold condo.

    Analysts point out that the project's pricing is also not compelling. Prices range from $850 to $1,150 psf though market watchers say that on average, the price is about $1,000 psf. The project's unique design may appeal to some but not others, they added.

    InterLace also does not have any one-bedroom units, which typically involve a lower lump sum investment and tend to sell off fastest in projects, a market watcher said.

    In the Marine Parade location, GuocoLand sold another 21 units at its freehold Elliot At The East Coast project last week. This brings total units sold to 66 units. The developer has released 80 of the total 119 units in the five-storey project at an average price of $970 psf. It is offering IAS in exchange for a 2 per cent price premium. So far four buyers have taken up the scheme. GuocoLand began selling the condo on Sept 19.

    Sales at projects that have been on the market longer have tapered off. For instance, NTUC Choice Homes last week sold five units at its 99-year leasehold Trevista condo in Toa Payoh bringing total units sold to 478 units in the 590-unit condo.

    So far this month, the developer appears to have sold 65 units. The average price currently is $935 psf, higher than $898 psf initially. The price premium for IAS buyers is 2%. So far 21% of the total 478 units sold have been on IAS.

    Far East Organization sold 24 units last week at its various projects across the island. Its top selling projects were Waterfront Keys and Waterfront Waves in Bedok, Floridian in Bukit Timah, and Mi Casa in Choa Chu Kang.

    BT understands several other projects on the island saw sales of just one or two units over the weekend. Meadows @ Peirce is said to have seen sales of two units and Trizon in the Mount Sinai area, just one unit.

    A seasoned property consultant said: 'The market had cooled off slightly even before the Sept 14 measures as price resistance set in after rapid price increases between May and August. People throng showflats of newly released developments, looking for the best units and buy what they can afford. After that, it can be a slow climb in terms of sales volume.'

    Most developers and agents have been arguing that the removal of IAS will not make a big dent on home sales as only a minority of buyers in projects where it is offered at a price premium have been taking up the scheme in recent months.

    'However, it is not the removal of IAS but the overall message, that the government is monitoring the market closely and ready to do more if necessary, that is having a psychological impact,' reckons DTZ's South-east Asia research head Chua Chor Hoon.

    'The Sept 14 package was a warning to market participants and a reminder to potential buyers to be careful,' she added.

    A property agent told BT that some people have walked away from buying units in new condos from developers recently as prices at some just-completed developments nearby or projects which are nearing completion are about 20% less in some instances.

    CDL said yesterday that 85% of Hundred Trees' buyers were Singaporeans.

    'There was a balanced mix of HDB upgraders and buyers who hold private property addresses,' it added. All 22 one-bedroom units, priced from $500,000, and 66 two-bedroom apartments, priced from $701,000, have been sold,' it added.

    All six penthouses costing between $2.4 million and $2.6 million have also been taken up. So far, CDL has soft launched 350 of Hundred Trees' total 396 units.

    It will release the remaining units this weekend, when it does an official launch, involving an ad campaign.

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    Today Reporter buying property, so I become his assistant reporter.

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    Residential site draws 6 bids

    By Joyce Teo

    THE tender for a 99-year leasehold residential plot in Upper Thomson Road closed on Thursday with six bids.

    The top bid came from Treasure Well Investments, at $251.34 million, or about $533 per sq ft of gross floor area.

    Other bidders are Tuas Hi-Tech Park, Sim Lian Land, Frasers Centrepoint, CEL Development and First Changi Development.

    The 2.08 ha plot is near Lower Peirce Reservoir Park and Bishan Park.


    When Hong Leong bid $529 psf ppr for the Serangoon Ave 3 site, at least it was next to the Lor Chuan MRT.

    This Lower Peirce Reservoir Park ...



    Last time analysts were predicting ...


    Analysts said the number of bids in this tender will likely be lower than the record 13 seen in recent tenders for sites at Dakota Crescent and Chestnut Avenue.

    They expect bids for the Thomson site to come in at between S$180 million and S$190 million.

    Donald Han said: "You'll end up (having) a break-even price of about close to S$700, S$720 per square foot. So for developers to make money - 10 to 12% profit - we're looking at selling this at about S$820, about S$850 per square foot."

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    This is interesting.....prices go up so high.....maybe close to monkeys and nature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    Today Reporter buying property, so I become his assistant reporter.

    The Straits Times

    Nov 5, 2009

    Residential site draws 6 bids

    By Joyce Teo

    THE tender for a 99-year leasehold residential plot in Upper Thomson Road closed on Thursday with six bids.

    The top bid came from Treasure Well Investments, at $251.34 million, or about $533 per sq ft of gross floor area.

    Other bidders are Tuas Hi-Tech Park, Sim Lian Land, Frasers Centrepoint, CEL Development and First Changi Development.

    The 2.08 ha plot is near Lower Peirce Reservoir Park and Bishan Park.
    When Hong Leong bid $529 psf ppr for the Serangoon Ave 3 site, at least it was next to the Lor Chuan MRT.

    This Lower Peirce Reservoir Park ...



    Last time analysts were predicting ...

    Analysts said the number of bids in this tender will likely be lower than the record 13 seen in recent tenders for sites at Dakota Crescent and Chestnut Avenue.

    They expect bids for the Thomson site to come in at between S$180 million and S$190 million.

    Donald Han said: "You'll end up (having) a break-even price of about close to S$700, S$720 per square foot. So for developers to make money - 10 to 12% profit - we're looking at selling this at about S$820, about S$850 per square foot."
    Thank you Sir for covering me.

    This is what separate 2007 X'mas and 2006 X'mas - land bidding getting higher and higher.

    They now have to sell around $1,100 psf!
    The better units will be higher!

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    Upper Thomson land parcel sees 6 bids
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    Thursday, 5 November 2009, 18:40



    The fifth site triggered in the reserve list has received a paltry 6 bids. Compared to the last four bids in Chestnut Avenue, Seletar, Dakota Crescent and Serangoon Ave 3, six bids is pathetic. Is there no more demand? Or have the big boys had their fill of land?

    Anyway, the potential winner might be Treasure Well Investments Limited. Who? Yes, we're wondering ourselves. Read on.

    Our search has come up with nothing so far (even on ACRA and Google) but we suspect they could be a joint venture, but between who? Stay tuned.

    Treasure Well tendered a bid of around $251.3m for this District 20, 99-year leasehold site with a permissible GFA of 471,254 sqft. That works out to be about $533.34 psf ppr. Coming in a distant second is Tuas Hi-Tech Park with a bid that is a good $44.5m less at $206.8m. Sim Lian, Frasers Centrepoint, CEL Development and First Changi Development make up the other losers.

    The minimum bid for the land was $82m or $174 psf ppr.



    Let's bring back what the experts said about this plot back then (BT - "Bids of $300-425 psf ppr seen for Upper Thomson plot")
    ‘Developers see there’s demand out there that can be satisfied. Of course, location becomes very important,’ said DTZ executive director (consulting) Ong Choon Fah.

    The property consultancy group’s South-east Asia research head, Chua Chor Hoon, predicts top bids of $300-350 psf ppr for the plot, with a likely average selling price of $850-900 psf for the project. ‘It’s a pretty attractive site, with lots of greenery, and it’s near Ai Tong School,’ she added.


    Knight Frank chairman Tan Tiong Cheng predicts that a new condo on the site could sell at an average price of about $900-1,000 psf, and forecasts land bids of $350-400 psf ppr for the site, resulting in a breakeven cost of around $800 psf.

    ‘The plot is in an established residential area. Residents in the new development can walk to Bishan Park and Lower Peirce Reservoir Park. There are eating facilities nearby, for instance, at Thomson Plaza,’ he said.

    They sound so conservative now. Going by Knight Frank's Tan Tiong Cheng estimate of adding $400psf to the bid amount as a breakeven cost, which makes it $933psf, and then adding $100-$200 psf as profit, that works to about $1,033 to $1,133 psf as a potential selling price.

    By comparison, next door's The Gardens at Bishan were selling at an average of $698.70psf in September. Further up the street, brand new freehold Meadows@Peirce were going at around $1,000psf back in July. Wow! That's quite a fair bit to pay that for a 99-year condo nowhere near any MRT.

    Will you cough up that much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by URA
    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of September 2009

    Project Name ...... Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    Meadows @ Peirce . OCR ........ 338 .......................... 14 ..............................
    1,273 ............ 868 ............... 715
    Err ... $1,133 psf is no fight for Meadows' high of $1,273 psf leh.

    If Treasure Well Investments are serious about joining the OCR $1,200+ psf Club, they need to go above $1,200 psf lah.

    Meadows has already joined. Now Centro, Trevista, 100 Trees, Serangoon A3 and Meadows are just waiting for TWI.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter, Hundred Trees, 3 weeks ago
    Why $1,219 psf?

    Must 100 Trees be so jealous of Centro's $1,289 psf, Trevista's $1,222 psf and upcoming $1,200+ psf in Serangoon Avenue 3?

    Or these tress just want to join the OCR $1,200+ psf Club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    Today Reporter buying property, so I become his assistant reporter.
    hey OT a bit: has our dear Reporter revealed where he's buying ?

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    welcome to the guess the property game. Reporter, can you please start giving us more hints? we have reached critical mass in no. of participants.

    Quote Originally Posted by amk
    hey OT a bit: has our dear Reporter revealed where he's buying ?

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    Cheung Kong is top bidder for Upper Thomson Rd condo plot
    The Business Times Weekend
    Saturday, 7 November 2009

    The top bidder for the 99-year condo site on Upper Thomson Road on Thursday has been revealed as a unit of Hong Kong tycoon Li Ka-shing’s Cheung Kong Holdings.

    This was confirmed yesterday by Raymond Chui, general manager of the group’s Singapore-based unit Property Enterprises Development.

    Cheung Kong unit Treasure Well Investments’ bid was for $251.3 million or about $533 per square foot per plot ratio (psf ppr) – the highest seen for a private housing site at a state land tender this year.

    Mr Chui said the estimated breakeven cost of about $850 to $900 psf forecast by analysts quoted in the media was pretty accurate. ‘We’ll probably develop around 340 to 350 units,’ he added.

    Treasure Well’s top bid was 21.5% above the next highest offer, which was made by Singapore’s Far East Organization.

    When asked if Cheung Kong regretted having paid such a wide margin, especially in hindsight as the government announced its H1 2010 land sales programme the next day with substantial supply in the confirmed list, Mr Chui replied: ‘We’ve done our sums. The site is in a very good location and we have confidence in the future of the Singapore property market.

    The Upper Thomson Road site is located opposite the Singapore Island Country Club’s Island Golf Course and Lower Peirce Reservoir.

    The group will also be developing a 295-unit condo on a 99-year-leasehold site facing West Coast Park and overlooking the sea.

    That is likely to be launched next year, possibly in the second quarter, Mr Chui revealed.

    The project will comprise fairly regular-sized units. ‘Our showflat is not yet ready,’ he added.

    Cheung Kong clinched the West Coast site at a state tender in March last year, paying $110.44 million or $305 psf ppr.

    Interestingly, it also outbid Far East Organization for that site, but with a much narrower winning margin of just 1.4%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    Cheung Kong is top bidder for Upper Thomson Rd condo plot
    The Business Times Weekend
    Saturday, 7 November 2009

    The top bidder for the 99-year condo site on Upper Thomson Road on Thursday has been revealed as a unit of Hong Kong tycoon Li Ka-shing’s Cheung Kong Holdings.



    When asked if Cheung Kong regretted having paid such a wide margin, especially in hindsight as the government announced its H1 2010 land sales programme the next day with substantial supply in the confirmed list, Mr Chui replied: ‘We’ve done our sums. The site is in a very good location and we have confidence in the future of the Singapore property market.
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    Hong Kong tycoon sheds stock, loads up on land
    The Business Times Weekend
    Saturday, 31 October 2009



    Billionair Lee Shau-kee said he has sold as much as 30% of his Hong Kong stock investments and is buying land, betting that the government’s efforts to cool home prices won’t work.
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    Thanks for your tips the other day.
    I am executing my D9 plan later today.
    These three people have no respect at all for governments' cooling measures!

    Mah Bow Tan and Donald Tsang had already warned repeatedly that their respective governments were going to "cool" the property market, yet they went ahead and bought properties !?!

    These three people must be the most unsuccessful people on earth, as they do not listen to government advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    These three people have no respect at all for governments' cooling measures!

    Mah Bow Tan and Donald Tsang had already warned repeatedly that their respective governments were going to "cool" the property market, yet they went ahead and bought properties !?!

    These three people must be the most unsuccessful people on earth, as they do not listen to government advice!
    Err ... not my fault leh ... Prof Paul Yip told ... to do so mah ...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Straits Times

    'Severe asset inflation'
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    Asset inflation - meaning a rise in price of assets such as stocks and property - is a possible consequence of the United States' current expansionary fiscal policy. --ST Photo: Alphonsus Chern

    Singapore risks 'severe asset inflation' during the economic recovery, a local economist has warned.

    But this danger can be averted if the Government acts now to control the prices of HDB flats, said Mr Paul Yip, Nanyang Technological University (NTU) associate professor of economics.

    Asset inflation - meaning a rise in price of assets such as stocks and property - is a possible consequence of the United States' current expansionary fiscal policy, Professor Yip said on Tuesday.

    He was speaking at an NTU symposium - on exchange rate systems and Asian macroeconomic policies - which brought together 11 macroeconomists from institutions such as Stanford University and Delhi School of Economics.

    'Many people say that the property market is rebounding, but I don't think so; we are still bottoming. Recovery will be slow ... and a few years later we might have severe asset inflation, much more than the rise today,' Prof Yip said.

    'So if you are a stock investor or property investor, it's very easy. Just hold your stock and shares for another three or five years - the price will climb to be much higher. But if you lose money, don't blame me,' he quipped.

    Prof Yip noted that the US government has lowered interest rates and expanded its money supply in a bid to avoid a repeat of the Great Depression.

    But post-recession, the government may fail to shrink the money base back to pre-downturn levels, he said. In that case, excess US dollars would flood the market.

    'For Singapore, there may be an inflow of money from the US, increasing the money base and therefore the money supply... When the recovery comes, there will be wage inflation and consumer price index inflation, and this will fuel asset inflation,' he told The Straits Times.

    'Rents will rise and then people will be able to charge even higher rents, causing a vicious circle,' Prof Yip said.

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    Very funny. They (the billionaires) should listen to those people (not sure what background, may be multi-billionaires wannabe) who are telling others to wait because more govt land sales coming and properties will be cheaper than now. If they the billionaires don't listen to the multi-billionaires, they sure sooner or later will go pok-kai!

    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    These three people have no respect at all for governments' cooling measures!

    Mah Bow Tan and Donald Tsang had already warned repeatedly that their respective governments were going to "cool" the property market, yet they went ahead and bought properties !?!

    These three people must be the most unsuccessful people on earth, as they do not listen to government advice!

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    bigwigs throwing their weight around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Very funny. They (the billionaires) should listen to those people (not sure what background, may be multi-billionaires wannabe) who are telling others to wait because more govt land sales coming and properties will be cheaper than now. If they the billionaires don't listen to the multi-billionaires, they sure sooner or later will go pok-kai!
    Your statement has some errors.

    They (the billionaires) should read: They (the two multi-billionaires and one multi-millionaire).

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    Net Worth: US$ 16.2 billion (S$ 22.7 billion)


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    (That's the estimated average wealth of someone in Singapore who drives a S300L and is able to purchase a 1500-2300 sqft D9 property on impulse).

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