showrooms are meant to be built to the correct scale with a small variance of plus minus 1-2sqft.
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showrooms are meant to be built to the correct scale with a small variance of plus minus 1-2sqft.
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With the new launch at AMK hub selling $1000 psf and above, Clover looks like a very good buy, even if you factor in its further distance from MRT, Bishan is still a better estate than AMK.
Clover prices may rise I suspect , once TOP to $900 psf levels.
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With the Bishan Park, the upcoming landscape river and many facilities/resturants along the future river bank will definitely cause the price of Clover By The Park to go up. My estimate will be around $1000 psf for the park facing choice units.
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It is difficult to find condo with park & river view together in S'pore. See attached view of the park & a future great landscape river. As for condo near mrt, there are many around.
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Not difficult and no need to find condo with park & river view...just next door, HDB have the same view.Originally Posted by tantan
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Agreed. But the 25 years old HDB will cost you around $600k. Normally, the premium of a Condo with the same factors (view, location & etc) will cost 2 times more. ln this case, clover costs only 1.5 times more than HDB nearby. Maybe worth buying Clover as Centris at Jurong Point costs 2x more than the HDB beside.Not difficult and no need to find condo with park & river view...just next door, HDB have the same view.
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Singapore's waterways to receive makeover
By Yvonne Yong, channelnewsasia.com | Posted: 30 January 2007 1421 hrs
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Artist's impression of planned transformations at Bishan Park (Source: PUB)
Plan to transform Singapore's waterways
SINGAPORE: Singapore’s drains, canals and reservoirs will undergo transformations into more user-friendly streams, rivers and lakes by 2009, according to national water agency PUB.
The public can get a peek into the long-term plans at an exhibition next week.
The Active, Beautiful, Clean (ABC) Waters programme is intended to bring people closer to water through improved waterfronts and recreation areas as well as foster education about this precious resource.
"In the last two years, we have been trying to bring people nearer to water through the introduction of water activities at reservoirs, such as kayaking, rowing, fishing and so on," says Tan Nguan Sen, Project Director for ABC.
"Under the ABC Waters programme, we will bring the water to the people by exploiting the potential of our water bodies throughout the island."
Singapore already has a pervasive network of 14 reservoirs, 32 major rivers and more than 7000 km of canals and drains.
Since the launch of the ABC Waters programme last April, three projects at Bedok Reservoir, MacRitchie Reservoir and a stretch of Kallang River at Kolam Ayer have been underway.
The aim also is to increase Singapore’s water catchment areas from covering half of the island to two thirds, within five years.
Today, the PUB revealed further plans for the ABC Waters signature projects including two new reservoirs to be created in the northeast of Singapore; the rejuvenation of Kallang River; and Optimising Alexandra Canal and its water.
The two new reservoirs will be created when Sungei Punggol and Sungei Serangoon are dammed, to create Singapore’s 16th and 17th reservoirs by 2009.
The Punggol Reservoir will include a floating wetland the size of half a football field, where the public will be able to access via a suspended bridge on one side and a floating boardwalk on the other.
"The suspended bridge will offer an aerial view of the reservoir and of kayakers rowing beneath it, while the floating boardwalk gives an entirely different experience. As it floats just above the water, the floating boardwalk will move in tandem with any vibrations in the water," says Mr Tan.
Along the edge of Serangoon Reservoir, the Lorong Halus Wetland will become Singapore’s first constructed wetland, having been transformed from a former landfill.
This will be the size of 18 football fields and will bring together a range of plants such as cat tails and common reeds that filter surface run-off from the former landfill, allowing for natural purification to be part of the water treatment process.
The longest river in Singapore at 10 km, Kallang River, will also be given a facelift in areas where the public are likely to utilise it for recreation.
Under a joint ABC Waters project between PUB and the National Parks Board, the huge concrete canal at Bishan Park will also be transformed, becoming a river with landscaped banks.
Residents of the housing estate near Bishan Park now separated by the canal will have direct access to the Park with improved footbridges and be able to enjoy streams and water play areas.
"As part of the proposal for Bishan Park, the water edge of the river will be softened with plants which will create a strong connection and extension from Lower Peirce Reservoir, where the river originates. Water will be very much part of the park which will demonstrate how recreation and storm water management can co-exist", says Yeo Meng Tong, Director, Parks Development, National Parks Board.
A transformed 200m stretch of Kallang River at Kolam Ayer will feature interactive structures such as an Archimedes Screw and water wheel which will allow residents to draw water from the canal into a stream.
Patrons at the Zion Road Hawker Centre will also be able to enjoy outdoor water features along Alexandra Canal, one of the main canals flowing into the Singapore River.
"We want to bring everyone close to water so that we can all be inspired and motivated to take care of our precious water resource by using it wisely and keeping it clean. Water is a shared resource and as the national water agency, PUB hopes all of us will realize we are all owners of it," adds Mr Tan.
The public can find out more about the Active, Beautiful, Clean Waters programme at the Asian Civilisations Museum from Feb 6–11, where experts will share their views and water activities, such as electric boat rides and aqua bikes, will be available. - cna.com/yy
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How is the progress now?Singapore's waterways to receive makeover
By Yvonne Yong, channelnewsasia.com | Posted: 30 January 2007 1421 hrs
Artist's impression of planned transformations at Bishan Park (Source: PUB)
SINGAPORE: Singapore’s drains, canals and reservoirs will undergo transformations into more user-friendly streams, rivers and lakes by 2009, according to national water agency PUB.
The public can get a peek into the long-term plans at an exhibition next week.
The Active, Beautiful, Clean (ABC) Waters programme is intended to bring people closer to water through improved waterfronts and recreation areas as well as foster education about this precious resource.
"In the last two years, we have been trying to bring people nearer to water through the introduction of water activities at reservoirs, such as kayaking, rowing, fishing and so on," says Tan Nguan Sen, Project Director for ABC.
"Under the ABC Waters programme, we will bring the water to the people by exploiting the potential of our water bodies throughout the island."
Singapore already has a pervasive network of 14 reservoirs, 32 major rivers and more than 7000 km of canals and drains.
Since the launch of the ABC Waters programme last April, three projects at Bedok Reservoir, MacRitchie Reservoir and a stretch of Kallang River at Kolam Ayer have been underway.
The aim also is to increase Singapore’s water catchment areas from covering half of the island to two thirds, within five years.
Today, the PUB revealed further plans for the ABC Waters signature projects including two new reservoirs to be created in the northeast of Singapore; the rejuvenation of Kallang River; and Optimising Alexandra Canal and its water.
The two new reservoirs will be created when Sungei Punggol and Sungei Serangoon are dammed, to create Singapore’s 16th and 17th reservoirs by 2009.
The Punggol Reservoir will include a floating wetland the size of half a football field, where the public will be able to access via a suspended bridge on one side and a floating boardwalk on the other.
"The suspended bridge will offer an aerial view of the reservoir and of kayakers rowing beneath it, while the floating boardwalk gives an entirely different experience. As it floats just above the water, the floating boardwalk will move in tandem with any vibrations in the water," says Mr Tan.
Along the edge of Serangoon Reservoir, the Lorong Halus Wetland will become Singapore’s first constructed wetland, having been transformed from a former landfill.
This will be the size of 18 football fields and will bring together a range of plants such as cat tails and common reeds that filter surface run-off from the former landfill, allowing for natural purification to be part of the water treatment process.
The longest river in Singapore at 10 km, Kallang River, will also be given a facelift in areas where the public are likely to utilise it for recreation.
Under a joint ABC Waters project between PUB and the National Parks Board, the huge concrete canal at Bishan Park will also be transformed, becoming a river with landscaped banks.
Residents of the housing estate near Bishan Park now separated by the canal will have direct access to the Park with improved footbridges and be able to enjoy streams and water play areas.
"As part of the proposal for Bishan Park, the water edge of the river will be softened with plants which will create a strong connection and extension from Lower Peirce Reservoir, where the river originates. Water will be very much part of the park which will demonstrate how recreation and storm water management can co-exist", says Yeo Meng Tong, Director, Parks Development, National Parks Board.
A transformed 200m stretch of Kallang River at Kolam Ayer will feature interactive structures such as an Archimedes Screw and water wheel which will allow residents to draw water from the canal into a stream.
Patrons at the Zion Road Hawker Centre will also be able to enjoy outdoor water features along Alexandra Canal, one of the main canals flowing into the Singapore River.
"We want to bring everyone close to water so that we can all be inspired and motivated to take care of our precious water resource by using it wisely and keeping it clean. Water is a shared resource and as the national water agency, PUB hopes all of us will realize we are all owners of it," adds Mr Tan.
The public can find out more about the Active, Beautiful, Clean Waters programme at the Asian Civilisations Museum from Feb 6–11, where experts will share their views and water activities, such as electric boat rides and aqua bikes, will be available. - cna.com/yy
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Just started. Will be ready in 2011.
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Thanks. That is only 1+ years from now. That is a definitely a plus point for clover park facing units.
However, having said that, I am wondering would there be any water sport activities, like canoeing, etc be introduced....
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Not sure about that but according to the PUB master plan there will be a lot of Alfresco dining along the waterscaped river
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future of clover by the park looks promising...
even the nearby HDB flats too...
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for sure there will be... i see a man with a canoe...
section B-B is near to Clover indeed.
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I like the twin tower design of clover, a very nice masterpiece. Most condo is using the slab block design.
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Centro at AMK already hitting $1150 psf & heard that Trevista at Toa Payoh will also be at around this price. This is making Clover very attractive for a $750 psf park facing unit & $650 psf HDB facing unit.
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Price already increase for clover
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clover is for bay window n unusable space lovers
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my 2 cents thought...
Clover is at least 15 mins to nearest MRT, so the only selling point will be Park and Catholic High... given that even those within 1km and do volunteer work have to draw lot (I will rule out the school factor first).
On the Park side... I believe that those facing the park will definitely worth 750psf, but not so sure about those facing the HDB (especially the low floor). Why buy a condo with a balcony facing HDBs ... what you get is newer ppty (v the nearby HDB plus facilities). From history ... condo located within HDB area seldom appreciate much, and since this is not near the "R" school, the rental value should not be as good.
I have been looking at this for quite a while... if there are still park facing (which have all being sold) at 750psf ... I will be interested ... but not the other.
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not sure about the one in TPY ... but definitely I won't pay 1150psf for Centro...would rather get Pavilion II (freehold, D11) rental value easily $4-5psf.
The other reason is my bias for FE ... haven't seen many people (first hand buyer) who made money from FE ppty (other than those get it in 05-06 which is more due to the whole Spore market up a lot). This is because FE is rich with cash and will always make sure that they get the best potential value. The other reason (likely my bias again) FE usually source on a big bulk basis and the item they get are those that look good when it is new ...
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Beware Buyers!!!!
Below is what the real market we are in:-
"He added that it is uncertain if the buying momentum seen in recent months can be sustained."
"The forecast is still for negative growth this year. Although it's not as negative as it was in the beginning of the year. I think there is still uncertainty... But what is important really is for all of us, all the players in the market, to make sure that the market remains healthy," said Mr Mah.
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Heard that the developer just released the few remaining park facing units that they kept. As for condo near HDB, at least better than those condo near expressway, factories, industrial building & funeral service providers.
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Pros:
1) Great park view
2) Great future river view
3) Serene & quiet environment
4) Although 12 mins walk to mrt but got shuttle bus & 4 SBS buses to mrt. Stop directly in front of the station. Very convenient for taking buses (2 mins ride)
5) Nice & open twin tower design.
6) About 70% of the area used for landscaping & facilities
7) Central Singapore (Bishan!). A well sought after district outside the prime 9, 10 & 11.
8) Near to city & orchard
9) Very very high ceiling at 3.15 m (normal condo only about 2.8 m)
10) Within 1 km from Catholic High. Ranked top 5 primary school in Singapore based on academic.
11) Bishan mrt is a interchange station. Potential for future develpment (malls, offices, business hubs & etc) on the many empty land around. Condo near or around will have more potential as compared to a mrt who is not interchange.
12) Reliable developer who also do their own construction
13) Upcoming future development in the park (e.g Alfresco dining, recretional activities & etc) as per Npark & PUB masterplan
14) All units are N & S facing (No west sun)
15) Very near amenities
16) With the coming Thomson Line. High chance of a mrt station near Clover
17) Cheaper at ave $650 - $750 psf. A lot of upside potential given the high asking price of new condo nearby.
Cons:
1) Not near mrt
2) 4 bedroom layout not ideal. A lot of space wastage (3 bedroom ok)
3) Balcony & Bay Window (almost all new condo have this also)
4) Traffic to Bishan can be quite bad with ERP
5) Near HDB
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The layout of the 4 bdrm unit is bad. Therefore, I brought a 3 bdrm choice unit facing the park during the initial launch. Like the relax, peaceful & quiet environment. I am looking to buy another park facing unit at the sub-sales market for investment. Told my agent willing to pay $50 - 80K more than the launch price. Hope can get one as I see great potential after TOP & when the bishan park/river makeover is ready.
Don't think near HDB is a bad point. Bishan HDB flats are nice, clean, well maintained & one of the most expensive in S'pore. Especially the parking facing HDB flats are very difficult to get, only 9 blocks out of about 200 HDB flats in Bishan. I have tried to find one parking facing HDB before I brought Clover, nobody selling. So when Clover launch, I grab one parking facing unit immediately.
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agree that Bishan HDBs though old, they remind me of european style with red bricks.... definitely wont go out of fashion.....
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Sharing the beautiful views of Clover. See pictures below.
Last edited by tantan; 31-07-09 at 20:02.
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More pictures.
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Nice pictures. Looks like I have made the right decision to buy Clover.
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I second to your decision....really very nice development.....huge land with only 2 Iconic Towers....hence i also bought at the Clover....CheersNice pictures. Looks like I have made the right decision to buy Clover.
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Add on. Near HDB better than some condo near Red Light District. For example, City Sq and Dakota are within 5 mins to the nearest brothel.
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Best of both worlds.....got full Condo Facilities and yet many amenities and this thanks to the surrounding HDBs for making the amenities viable.
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