The Parc (D5, Freehold, Chip Eng Seng & Lehman Brothers)

[jwong71]

Why must he say something nice when he feel there is none?




Are you saying Multi-Storey carpark (MSCP) is no less then basement carpark?

Hello, accessing Permissible GFA may not neccesary must be build upward, you could go down as well. Land space are wasted which could be utilise as nice common area otherwise. Developer opt for MSCP due to cost, structure, ventilation, lighting, lift, etc. Have you ever park in basement and accessing the lift to your unit? And comparing to MSCP?

There are also tyre drifting sound affecting resident when vehicle moving up the slope as well as undesire light shining on adjacent unit. And not forgetting going all the way up at night when the ground level are full. And climbing all the stairs, so to speak.

strongly agreed. screeching tyres sound and headlights protuding into living hall from cars in mscp. Bad fengshui too if headlights protuding in. *if im not wrong..
Resulting in that particular unit to suffer,to sell cheaper than any neighbours units. duely to all the negative factors mentioned.

[proud owner]

strongly agreed. screeching tyres sound and headlights protuding into living hall from cars in mscp. Resulting in that particular unit to suffer,to sell cheaper than any neighbours units. duely to all the negative factors mentioned

although MSCP is unsightly and the land can be better used if they had built basement carpark instead ...

i have this experience once ..

i used to live at Charleston (river valley) with basement carpark ..
the exit upslope faces One Shanghai .. and in the night when cars emerged from the car park, the 2,3,4 flr units across the road in One shanghai get direct head light beam ..

hence the draw the curtains almost 24/7 ...

so sometimes buying properties also have to look around, at other nearby projects ..

having said that ..

i do prefer basement car park ...

and also agree that developers saved a lot of $$ doing MSCP and yet this savings is not passed on to the buyers of the project ..

[apple3]

There is a chinese say: Respect others and you will receive the same respect from others.

When you attack other condos, be prepared to receive the same treatment on the one you own. If you have nothing good to say, nobody say you must criticise.

Would you prefer compliments or criticisms?

Similar analogy, when someone visit your house, would you mind if your visitors criticise your home?

You mean life is a bed of rose with ass-licking people around telling you what a wonderful world you have? Everything simply perfect?

Let me put my position straight & upfront. Coming from a chinese school & born in Singapore shortly after WW2, I would puke at Stalingrad on how he detest and belittle chinese or Singaporean.

But he certainly has some credits for bring some truth on the condominium development going around us, especially D5. And much often the flaws with a tinge of sarcasm or humor, whats wrong with that?

In fact, the players in the circle know sim lian or lien beng been builder-turn-developer, it is within expectation that from flooring to bathtub, carabelle win most of the surrounding development hands-down. But been just too traditional, the architect design still cant match most of those.

The way I see, it just that most of the time people tend to get into defensive mode and deny frantically to safeguard their precious asset and only to corner up themselve from Stalingrad's powderful england.

hahah.. for goodness sake, one would have enough flowery compliment coming out from the fanciful brouchure given out in showroom. What? Talking up the price or value of your condo in this forum? Forget it LAH..

By the way, is there anything bad about carabelle? On GFA utililisation aspect, it is much better on residential usage ratio comparing to neighbour development and not forgetting a decent rubbish chute. i don't own any of those though.

[apple3]

strongly agreed. screeching tyres sound and headlights protuding into living hall from cars in mscp. Bad fengshui too if headlights protuding in. *if im not wrong..
Resulting in that particular unit to suffer,to sell cheaper than any neighbours units. duely to all the negative factors mentioned.

And my illustration is on the assumption that lift are provided in MSCP with reasonable walking distance and shelter to unit. Consider those without.

Perhaps the owner of the center stack will think about this posting after a fruitful trip from the cold storage at west coast plaza.

[apple3]

although MSCP is unsightly and the land can be better used if they had built basement carpark instead ...

i have this experience once ..

i used to live at Charleston (river valley) with basement carpark ..
the exit upslope faces One Shanghai .. and in the night when cars emerged from the car park, the 2,3,4 flr units across the road in One shanghai get direct head light beam ..

hence the draw the curtains almost 24/7 ...

so sometimes buying properties also have to look around, at other nearby projects ..

having said that ..

i do prefer basement car park ...

and also agree that developers saved a lot of $$ doing MSCP and yet this savings is not passed on to the buyers of the project ..

Hey pal, did I see 1536 postings from you? What, I only MIA for a few months. You should be bestowed with some awards.

NYC or SIN?

[jwong71]

And my illustration is on the assumption that lift are provided in MSCP with reasonable walking distance and shelter to unit. Consider those without.

Perhaps the owner of the center stack will think about this posting after a fruitful trip from the cold storage at west coast plaza.

Oh ya,i missed out that point too.. simei green EC is a good example with no shelter to unit. owners stuck in the rain/mscp.

[apple3]

Oh ya,i missed out that point too.. simei green EC is a good example with no shelter to unit. owners stuck in the rain/mscp.

That one? I think it was ntuc test project.. finance by dbs.

[Kon2]

Received my letter from the lawyer on 23 Feb 2010 indicating that TOP for the development is likely to be issued between May and July 2010.

[xebay11]

Why must he say something nice when he feel there is none?

Then don't say anything at all. What does he gain by putting down other developments? You buy all that about being careful of deceptive advertising from developers? All the well intentioned "cautioning" should be done before buyers have bought The Parc and not after.

BTW that post was btw me and Stalingrad and is personal, he asked me why I hounded him and I replied, it has nothing to do with you and I suggest you stay out of it unless you are also just trying to make trouble.

Are you saying Multi-Storey carpark (MSCP) is no less then basement carpark?

Hello, accessing Permissible GFA may not neccesary must be build upward, you could go down as well. Land space are wasted which could be utilise as nice common area otherwise. Developer opt for MSCP due to cost, structure, ventilation, lighting, lift, etc. Have you ever park in basement and accessing the lift to your unit? And comparing to MSCP?

There are also tyre drifting sound affecting resident when vehicle moving up the slope as well as undesire light shining on adjacent unit. And not forgetting going all the way up at night when the ground level are full. And climbing all the stairs, so to speak.

I come from a development with basement carpark and used to envy those above ground car parks as they were bright and well ventilated. The basement car park was always wet, damp and hot. The central rubbish chutes were also emitting smells.

Most modern MSCPs are connected to the lift lobby so what climbing of stairs? Shining of lights? If the access ramp is away facing from the units there won't be any lights shining to your units, just common sense design.

Tire drifting sounds? Not if the surface of the MSCP is porous and this can also be easily solved with anti skid coating, even HDB carparks have this.

So we simply agree to disagree. You may have your points and I have mine, everyone is different. You have just described the worst of HDB MSCPs and not modern well designed condo MSCPs. So such problems do not really exist for newer better designed buildings, so no need to take it further.

There is no turning back now, smaller rooms, central rubbish chutes, huge balconies and planters, MSCPs are the trends, as they maximise profits of developers, like it or not, we all can scream murder here but is it going to change? I made the post about unlivable space and MM sized units in The Estuary thread, if we stop buying, developers would stop selling, but as another poster rightly pointed out, it is all about demand and supply.

Just be a little be more positive and look at the bright side of things, you will feel better. Trust me.

[Avatar]

You mean life is a bed of rose with ass-licking people around telling you what a wonderful world you have? Everything simply perfect?

Let me put my position straight & upfront. Coming from a chinese school & born in Singapore shortly after WW2, I would puke at Stalingrad on how he detest and belittle chinese or Singaporean.

But he certainly has some credits for bring some truth on the condominium development going around us, especially D5. And much often the flaws with a tinge of sarcasm or humor, whats wrong with that?

In fact, the players in the circle know sim lian or lien beng been builder-turn-developer, it is within expectation that from flooring to bathtub, carabelle win most of the surrounding development hands-down. But been just too traditional, the architect design still cant match most of those.

The way I see, it just that most of the time people tend to get into defensive mode and deny frantically to safeguard their precious asset and only to corner up themselve from Stalingrad's powderful england.

hahah.. for goodness sake, one would have enough flowery compliment coming out from the fanciful brouchure given out in showroom. What? Talking up the price or value of your condo in this forum? Forget it LAH..

By the way, is there anything bad about carabelle? On GFA utililisation aspect, it is much better on residential usage ratio comparing to neighbour development and not forgetting a decent rubbish chute. i don't own any of those though.

I think you haven't been reading how he degrade other projects other than his Crappybelle...from Botannia to Infiniti to Hundred Trees to Parc to Clementiwoods..almost all D5 projects were not spared except his Crappybelle.

So what's wrong about warning abt others on the developer who built Carabelle?

[cheerful]

Then don't say anything at all.

That's rite .. & no need to scold pp's mother, etc. Believe apple3 wld also detest that since nobody wants his/her mother, children, grandchildren to be cursed ..

[stalingrad]

That's rite .. & no need to scold pp's mother, etc. Believe apple3 wld also detest that since nobody wants his/her mother, children, grandchildren to be cursed ..

No, I did not have to bring xebay's mother into this. It is his "free will" that gives him such an obnoxious personality. In fact, I should apologize to all those relatives of his that I mentioned. They are as much victims as I am. They have suffered enough from him too, I will bet.

[stalingrad]

I think you haven't been reading how he degrade other projects other than his Crappybelle...from Botannia to Infiniti to Hundred Trees to Parc to Clementiwoods..almost all D5 projects were not spared except his Crappybelle.

So what's wrong about warning abt others on the developer who built Carabelle?

Nothing. but looks at the difference in attitude. Did I attack you personally, when you call carabelle crappybelle? Did I get defensive when you said the tiles popped out. NO. It's a free world, say whichever you like. Now you see the difference between me and you?

[xebay11]

No, I did not have to bring xebay's mother into this. It is his "free will" that gives him such an obnoxious personality. In fact, I should apologize to all those relatives of his that I mentioned. They are as much victims as I am. They have suffered enough from him too, I will bet.

Please examine yourself before you call others obnoxious.

You made fun of Ris Low, made fun of Nan Hua School, acted condescendingly on all Singaporeans, made fun of other's English grammer, made fun of other developments on D5, calling others racist, suggesting illegal activities, abused my family, you also abused a development in the city and the list goes on and on......go through all my posts they were not obnoxious at all but simply all all head-to-head against you while you were acting obnoxiously to everyone else on this forum.

You tone down and I will leave you alone, but even then others had to correct you on your patronizing views on hawkers in the Estuary thread....stop playing the victim here and hoping for sympathy. Chinese have a saying "you think everyone has stamps on their eyes?"

[Avatar]

Nothing. but looks at the difference in attitude. Did I attack you personally, when you call carabelle crappybelle? Did I get defensive when you said the tiles popped out. NO. It's a free world, say whichever you like. Now you see the difference between me and you?

Hmm..you are really forgetful and I leave it to you to search your previous postings...anyway you not only attack me personally but others as well..go through your previous postings if you can't remember.
I don't like to talk down a project like you do...but you enjoy giving nicknames for other projects (e.g. Hundred Trees as Hungry Trees)...so others cannot call carabelle as crappybelle?

Of course I see the difference btw you and me...I don't talk down another project if I didn't get a chance to own it...I don't talk down a school if my kids didn't manage to get in...I don't talk down my wife's fellow citizens but still smile at her everyday...

Oh..one more thing...I don't bring in other's parents into the topic during a heated argument....

[stalingrad]

Hmm..you are really forgetful and I leave it to you to search your previous postings...anyway you not only attack me personally but others as well..go through your previous postings if you can't remember.
I don't like to talk down a project like you do...but you enjoy giving nicknames for other projects (e.g. Hundred Trees as Hungry Trees)...so others cannot call carabelle as crappybelle?

Of course I see the difference btw you and me...I don't talk down another project if I didn't get a chance to own it...I don't talk down a school if my kids didn't manage to get in...I don't talk down my wife's fellow citizens but still smile at her everyday...

Oh..one more thing...I don't bring in other's parents into the topic during a heated argument....

show me evidence I attacked you personally?

[gfoo]

[stalingrad]

Please examine yourself before you call others obnoxious.

You made fun of Ris Low, made fun of Nan Hua School, acted condescendingly on all Singaporeans, made fun of other's English grammer, made fun of other developments on D5, calling others racist, suggesting illegal activities, abused my family, you also abused a development in the city and the list goes on and on......go through all my posts they were not obnoxious at all but simply all all head-to-head against you while you were acting obnoxiously to everyone else on this forum.

You tone down and I will leave you alone, but even then others had to correct you on your patronizing views on hawkers in the Estuary thread....stop playing the victim here and hoping for sympathy. Chinese have a saying "you think everyone has stamps on their eyes?"

correcting your grammar is making fun of you? if so, all your teachers that taught you english were bad persons that made fun of you.

I remember I first encountered your raging personality when you said "I don't like both" when you meant "I don't like either" and I corrected you. Your response? rather than gratitude to someone that helped you, you reacted like I had just smeared feces on your face. Yes, I do think your sensitivity is getting the better of you, and that explains your explosive personality.

[Avatar]

show me evidence I attacked you personally?

Hmm..I was about to copy and paste but then...decided not to..why? Because...why should I do as you instructed?....and it is not difficult to find the posts yourselves...

[stalingrad]

Hmm..I was about to copy and paste but then...decided not to..why? Because...why should I do as you instructed?....and it is not difficult to find the posts yourselves...

because you cannot find any incident of me starting a brawl. It was either you or xebay that started the fight by attacking me first, and I was just defending myself against you marauders.

perhaps I should write this in my reply to xebay, but I will say it here to save time. It is a free country, and you can say anything you want on the english proficiency of singaporeans or pros and cons of certain condos, or whatever. It is called comments. Comments are not the same as insults. Saying most Singaporeans' english proficiency needs improvement is not the same as insulting them. If I say "man, your english is atrocious, and please shut up" that would be insulting. But I have never done such things. I corrected some of you, but I have never insulted anyone. Insulting means malice, which I don't have.

[amk]

I'm the guy behind you

[xebay11]

correcting your grammar is making fun of you? if so, all your teachers that taught you english were bad persons that made fun of you.

I remember I first encountered your raging personality when you said "I don't like both" when you meant "I don't like either" and I corrected you. Your response? rather than gratitude to someone that helped you, you reacted like I had just smeared feces on your face. Yes, I do think your sensitivity is getting the better of you, and that explains your explosive personality.

Stalingrad said :

You would not choose both", you said. that means you would choose only one of the two. So, which of the two express ways is your favorite?

I can tell you really mean " I would not choose either" or "I would choose neither."

I guess the level of english proficiency in Singapore has dropped dramatically and consistently over time, what with immigration of non-english speakers form certain countries. I would come here and read some of the posts when I need a laugh bad. I guess it would be helpful if we demand certain english proficiency before allowing someone in.

What you said on correcting my grammar would only be true if you stopped at the second paragraph, instead you chose to go on with the third paragraph which was pure malice with a purpose to ridicule and make fun of me, Singapore and it's people. You always like to report half truths to gain sympathy votes.

Unlike Avatar, I will cut and paste your comments to show your misdeeds.

[Avatar]

because you cannot find any incident of me starting a brawl. It was either you or xebay that started the fight by attacking me first, and I was just defending myself against you marauders.

perhaps I should write this in my reply to xebay, but I will say it here to save time. It is a free country, and you can say anything you want on the english proficiency of singaporeans or pros and cons of certain condos, or whatever. It is called comments. Comments are not the same as insults. Saying most Singaporeans' english proficiency needs improvement is not the same as insulting them. If I say "man, your english is atrocious, and please shut up" that would be insulting. But I have never done such things. I corrected some of you, but I have never insulted anyone. Insulting means malice, which I don't have.

Haha...say anything you want but I won't fall into your trap...

[stalingrad]

My statement 'I would come here and read some of the posts when I need a laugh bad' is over the top. perhaps I should've been more sensitive. But I meant no harm, certainly no malice.

[xebay11]

My statement 'I would come here and read some of the posts when I need a laugh bad' is over the top. perhaps I should've been more sensitive. But I meant no harm, certainly no malice.

Now when I catch you red handed you simply say "you meant no harm no malice" you have to be responsible for your words, you are an adult and this is a public forum.

I am willing to let go everything if you just tone down.

[stalingrad]

Now when I catch you red handed you simply say "you meant no harm no malice" you have to be responsible for your words, you are an adult and this is a public forum.

I am willing to let go everything if you just tone down.

While everyone needs to be sensitive when posting remarks here, one needs to understand that we should respect and treasure freedom of speech. Comments on schools, condos, government policies, economic trends, etc. should be respected, unless they are malicious and/or biased by personal interests. personal attacks on me or any other individuals just because they say things that go against your interests are offensive and should not be countenanced by anyone here.

[Tweety]

While everyone needs to be sensitive when posting remarks here, one needs to understand that we should respect and treasure freedom of speech. Comments on schools, condos, government policies, economic trends, etc. should be respected, unless they are malicious and/or biased by personal interests. personal attacks on me or any other individuals just because they say things that go against your interests are offensive and should not be countenanced by anyone here.

I like the way you preached innocent whenever things go horribly wrong against you after you have made those biased comments...I can understand heated arguments between individuals at times but when family members are being brought into the picture, it suggests that you have lost the plot altogether. This forum has no room for people like you who abuse others' parents, its definitely a cowardly act..For goodness sake, leave them alone.

[Avatar]

Don't generalize, Mr. Tweety. Other condos are in a much better locations that the stellar in terms of air quality and noise levels. the parc, botannia, varsity park, clementiwoods are much cleaner and less noisy than your little mouse hole.

I am not against the stellar, nor am I against the west coast area. I am just making objective comments. whether you like it or not, don't attribute to my comments to commerical motives.

Hmm...so Stellar where Tweety stays was not spared either...

[Regulators]

You insult other people's parents and later you apologise. You say nasty things about Singapore's standard of English and you later say it was without malice. Can you say that all those nasty remarks you have passed about everyone and any project in this forum is without malice? It does not take one who supposedly understands "good English" like you to know that some of your postings were meant to demean and belittle others and other people's projects and to create animosity in this forum. I have also openly criticised other people's project, but at least I don't plead innocence like the way you do.

My statement 'I would come here and read some of the posts when I need a laugh bad' is over the top. perhaps I should've been more sensitive. But I meant no harm, certainly no malice.

[stalingrad]

Hmm...so Stellar where Tweety stays was not spared either...

Do you see the commonality among all three of you, tweety, avatar and xebay? Whenever a negative comment is made about your pet condo, you guys attribute it to commercial motives, "you are talking down my condo, because you cannot afford it, because you are jealous, because you want the price to crash to make it affordable to yourself."

As I said, can't your guys grow up and take criticisms as they are, instead of attributing to profit motives. That said, I will continue to say what I want to say, whether you like it or not. Just don't expect a polite reply from me when you attack me or my motives in an obnoxious way.