The Parc (D5, Freehold, Chip Eng Seng & Lehman Brothers)

[7dwc]

How else would you want to name it then? What I meant was that the multi-storey carpark was conveyed to the buyers right from the beginning.

[stalingrad]

How else would you want to name it then? What I meant was that the multi-storey carpark was conveyed to the buyers right from the beginning.

just a simple "carpark" would be enough.

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First you say buyers are forced to make a decision in 20 minutes and now you say that they are not.

What a joke !!

I sense some jealousy here that he couldn't get a unit..just like the Nanhua case..haha....

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as for you, please change your name to retard if you don't have anything informative to say but keep attacking people for no reason at all.

oh,..you losing your cool again?? Hmm...cool down...don't get angry over crappybelle built by a crappy developer...

Oh...you need informative news abt crappybelle? Internet has alot and I am capable of doing it..

[pinkamoon]

Actually I am utterly shocked at the attitude of some guys here. I don't normally criticise others' homes as I believe everyone values their own home and it is only polite to say good things about others, definitely not the other way round.

As for the meaning of plaza, it doesn't mean shopping centres here. Plaza means
1.a public square or open space in a city or town.
2.shopping centre
3. an area along an expressway where public facilities, such as service stations and rest rooms, are available.

In this case, I believe it means an open space. I don't see why the area cannot be called a plaza as the open area near bukit batok central is also called a plaza!

I was also there at the showflat and it was indeed a scary sight, not because I was given 20 minutes to decide but rather the homes were practically snatched up and everyone was given a number to make purchases. It was all up to the buyers to make a decision.

As for the carparks, I was told that there would be multi-storey carparks at both ends and the condos would be elevated as the 1st floor would be used for residents' carpark lots. No foul play.

I buy what I like. I did my homework and thought that the location was good. That was all it mattered to me. Before I bought The Parc, I was looking at Fontaine Parry Poh Huat Road. After viewing, there was only a few more units left. When I finally wanted to buy, the units were all gone. The developer refused to release anymore units, thinking that the prices would go up and agents were telling us to put a cheque to book for a particular unit we fancy, kind of a first come first serve basis, once the units are available for booking. We did not oblige of course. I don't blame the developers, neither am I angry with the agents. That's just how they do business.

姜太公钓鱼愿者上钩。

[stalingrad]

so you built a open area on top of the mscp, and afterward it is no longer a carpark, but rather a plaza. right? give me a break!!

[xebay11]

Actually I am utterly shocked at the attitude of some guys here. I don't normally criticise others' homes as I believe everyone values their own home and it is only polite to say good things about others, definitely not the other way round.

As for the meaning of plaza, it doesn't mean shopping centres here. Plaza means
1.a public square or open space in a city or town.
2.shopping centre
3. an area along an expressway where public facilities, such as service stations and rest rooms, are available.

In this case, I believe it means an open space. I don't see why the area cannot be called a plaza as the open area near bukit batok central is also called a plaza!

I was also there at the showflat and it was indeed a scary sight, not because I was given 20 minutes to decide but rather the homes were practically snatched up and everyone was given a number to make purchases. It was all up to the buyers to make a decision.

As for the carparks, I was told that there would be multi-storey carparks at both ends and the condos would be elevated as the 1st floor would be used for residents' carpark lots. No foul play.

I buy what I like. I did my homework and thought that the location was good. That was all it mattered to me. Before I bought The Parc, I was looking at Fontaine Parry Poh Huat Road. After viewing, there was only a few more units left. When I finally wanted to buy, the units were all gone. The developer refused to release anymore units, thinking that the prices would go up and agents were telling us to put a cheque to book for a particular unit we fancy, kind of a first come first serve basis, once the units are available for booking. We did not oblige of course. I don't blame the developers, neither am I angry with the agents. That's just how they do business.

姜太公钓鱼愿者上钩。

Exactly right, a plaza means an open space, in this case it happens to be on a car park roof top.

Just like void can mean the space between a particular person's ears.

[xebay11]

Man, please don't reply to any posts if you don't know anything about the condos in question. We were at the showflat, and we saw how CES and lehman were selling the product. how about you? were you there? did you see that the visitors were given only 20 minutes to make a decision?

as I said, if you just keep quiet on something you don't know, that is perfectly normal. have you mother ever told you that? you must have been raised by a mother with zero education and zero etiquette. your mother would be very ashamed of your behavior.

I strongly suggest that you withdraw all comments you made about my mother, you have been reported to the mods for extreme harassment to me and my family, you have done nothing in this forums but make fun of Singaporeans and the nation, talking down on others developments, suggesting illegal activities, trying to play the racism card knowing very well that you are the only person guilty of and making seditious remarks all of which could see you on the other side of the law and resulting in you losing your permanent residency status.

[xebay11]

The Parc buyers and all supporters of this development, please feel free to report Stalingrad's bad posts, it is the exclamation mark icon, before he does further unecessary damage to the reputation of the developers and the development.

If anyone knows the developers please also inform them of these posts here as well and hopefully they can take legal action.

[stalingrad]

The Parc buyers and all supporters of this development, please feel free to report Stalingrad's bad posts, it is the exclamation mark icon, before he does further unecessary damage to the reputation of the developers and the development.

If anyone knows the developers please also inform them of these posts here as well and hopefully they can take legal action.

haha, keep this up, and this place will turn into a mental asylum.

[Regulators]

You sound like a parapoondek with the way you push ur arguments in this forum.

haha, keep this up, and this place will turn into a mental asylum.

[Regulators]

Fools often have no need for time to consider coz their brains are often impenetrable or they don't know what to consider so even 20 minutes may seem too long for them.

I would NEVER buy property in a 20 minute window, thank you very much.

I guess that explains why you bought Carabelle

[pinkamoon]

My dear stalingrad, I do not understand y u r so angry about the whole project when u r not even staying there. so if u think it's not good, then so be it. u don't have to make enemies here. So what if they utilise the rooftop of the carpark, let them be. FYI, so many developments (even HDB) already have rooftop gardens, if you do not know by now. The plaza that is only a space for residents to gather, there is a treehouse there and also bbq pit and a playground on top of the carpark. I personally find it okay, but if u hate the idea, fine... and congratulations, u do not own a property there. likewise, congratulations to all Parc owners.

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you must have been raised by a mother with zero education and zero etiquette. your mother would be very ashamed of your behavior.

I am surprised you stood so low to mention somebody's mother when you can't win an argument..I really look down on you.

[stalingrad]

My dear stalingrad, I do not understand y u r so angry about the whole project when u r not even staying there. so if u think it's not good, then so be it. u don't have to make enemies here. So what if they utilise the rooftop of the carpark, let them be. FYI, so many developments (even HDB) already have rooftop gardens, if you do not know by now. The plaza that is only a space for residents to gather, there is a treehouse there and also bbq pit and a playground on top of the carpark. I personally find it okay, but if u hate the idea, fine... and congratulations, u do not own a property there. likewise, congratulations to all Parc owners.

Did not come here to make enemies. Came here to warn that developers have and will continue to use tricks to get people to buy. Everyone knows that people like underground parking vs. above ground parking, which raises the rate of depreciation due to exposure to sunlight and the strain on the engine when the car goes up the ramp. Given the preference for underground parking, I think the developer should at least confess that above ground carparks are planned, not underground carparks. but instead, they labeled the carparks "plazas" to distract attention from the touchy issue.

Instead of arguing with me in a reasonable and cool-headed manners, these guys immediately poured insults and scorns on me. haha, I am not hurt at all. Thank you for educating me about the singapore way of polemics. Its a baptism by fire.

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Instead of arguing with me in a reasonable and cool-headed manners, these guys immediately poured insults and scorns on me. haha, I am not hurt at all. Thank you for educating me about the singapore way of polemics. Its a baptism by fire.

Let me further educate you about us..When we argue or want to scold someone, we don't bring in our parents, grandparents or our closed ones. I would think you wouldn't want others to do this to you. Do you?

I don't know about your upbringing in Canada but you just tell me that you didn't have a good one afterall.

[stalingrad]

Let me further educate you about us..When we argue or want to scold someone, we don't bring in our parents, grandparents or our closed ones. I would think you wouldn't want others to do this to you. Do you?

I don't know about your upbringing in Canada but you just tell me that you didn't have a good one afterall.

but if xebay behaves so badly, who am I to blame other than his mom? blame his teacher, or his wife? Or was he just borne to be so obnoxious?

[xebay11]

but if xebay behaves so badly, who am I to blame other than his mom? blame his teacher, or his wife? Or was he just borne to be so obnoxious?

I was keeping quiet all this while when you continued your personal attacks on my mother, family, my wife and teacher, but I guess we can only draw the lines so far on fair play, so by your twisted logic, I should also blame your mother, your wife, your father, your teacher that they must all be thugs, law breakers, scum bags and crooks since you could even suggest breaking the laws in Singapore so that you could get to Vivo city faster illegally on a public forum, all this just to make your development appear more conveniently located than it actually is.

Aren't you the same as the so called deceptive developers you were so trying to slam just a few posts ago? So if you were the developer for Crappybelle you would also proclaim in all the sales materials, leave West Coast Crappybelle at 9.00 and reach Vivo at 9:10 for coffee.

Don't try and be an Angel and try to cover up, everyone can see who you are and the enemies you make.

[Regulators]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard from a supposedly educated guy. Each time your children do wrong, you would tell them "It is mummy's and daddy's fault and you are this way becoz of us"??? Does your tiny mind even understand what the term 'free will' is?

but if xebay behaves so badly, who am I to blame other than his mom? blame his teacher, or his wife? Or was he just borne to be so obnoxious?

[xebay11]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard from a supposedly educated guy. Each time your children do wrong, you would tell them "It is mummy's and daddy's fault and you are this way becoz of us"??? Does your tiny mind even understand what the term 'free will' is?

Evolution does make mistakes in the case of Stalingrad and his dysfunctional lineage.

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but if xebay behaves so badly, who am I to blame other than his mom? blame his teacher, or his wife? Or was he just borne to be so obnoxious?

You really surprise me more each time you post. I wouldn't do that if I am you. I would apologise to xebay11 and move on from there.

On one hand, you were telling us you want to educate your sons to respect the elders (e.g. giving seats to the elders when taking public transport) but here you are scolding someone's elders. Would you educate your sons to scold their classmates' parents if they don't see eye to eye?

[Regulators]

it would seem that stalingrad's upbringing is such that his parents get the blame each time he commits a wrong whch is what made hm the way he is today. I think for each insult he hurls on others, you guys can go straight and scold his parents (bypassing him) coz we have to respect his culture

Let me further educate you about us..When we argue or want to scold someone, we don't bring in our parents, grandparents or our closed ones. I would think you wouldn't want others to do this to you. Do you?

I don't know about your upbringing in Canada but you just tell me that you didn't have a good one afterall.

[xebay11]

it would seem that stalingrad's upbringing is such that his parents get the blame each time he commits a wrong whch is what made hm the way he is today. I think for each insult he hurls on others, you guys can go straight and scold his parents (bypassing him) coz we have to respect his culture

Yes sorry but the gloves have come off for me.

[stalingrad]

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard from a supposedly educated guy. Each time your children do wrong, you would tell them "It is mummy's and daddy's fault and you are this way becoz of us"??? Does your tiny mind even understand what the term 'free will' is?

apologize to all. it is indeed "free will" in the case of xebay. His mom, nor his relatives are to blame for how he has turned up.

[stalingrad]

You really surprise me more each time you post. I wouldn't do that if I am you. I would apologise to xebay11 and move on from there.

On one hand, you were telling us you want to educate your sons to respect the elders (e.g. giving seats to the elders when taking public transport) but here you are scolding someone's elders. Would you educate your sons to scold their classmates' parents if they don't see eye to eye?

Not seeing eye to eye is one thing, being obnoxious is another. he has been hounding me since god knows when. Whenever I posted something or whatever the topic, he would write something obnoxious to aggravate me. back off, xebay!!!!

[xebay11]

Not seeing eye to eye is one thing, being obnoxious is another. he has been hounding me since god knows when. Whenever I posted something or whatever the topic, he would write something obnoxious to aggravate me. back off, xebay!!!!

Just say something nice about The Parc and see if I hound you.

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Not seeing eye to eye is one thing, being obnoxious is another. he has been hounding me since god knows when. Whenever I posted something or whatever the topic, he would write something obnoxious to aggravate me. back off, xebay!!!!

There is a chinese say: Respect others and you will receive the same respect from others.

When you attack other condos, be prepared to receive the same treatment on the one you own. If you have nothing good to say, nobody say you must criticise.

Would you prefer compliments or criticisms?

Similar analogy, when someone visit your house, would you mind if your visitors criticise your home?

[stalingrad]

There is a chinese say: Respect others and you will receive the same respect from others.

When you attack other condos, be prepared to receive the same treatment on the one you own. If you have nothing good to say, nobody say you must criticise.

Would you prefer compliments or criticisms?

Similar analogy, when someone visit your house, would you mind if your visitors criticise your home?

That is totally wrong. the purpose of this forum is to exchange views, positive or negative. As long as you express your opinions honestly, unbiased by your own personal interests, your opinions should be respected. The current situation is the entirely opposite. if you say something negative, people hound you to the end of the earth, even if there is a real problem. The multi-story carparks at the parc are a perfect example. it is a real problem, and the developers have not been honest about it. So, what is wrong with talking about as a warning to other condo buyers? why were my postings followed by a bunch of obnoxious personal attacks by you and xebay?

[pinkamoon]

okay. I think stalingrad's good intentions were misinterpreted. Sometimes we all know that when an argument gets heated up, we tend to hurl verbal abuses at one another. Basically, nothing nice comes out of our mouths. At least he apologises.

Thanks stalingrad, for warning us about the tricks developers use. I think stalingrad happen to meet 1 agent who did not do his/her homework well. I was at the showflat and was informed about the multi-storey carparks and was even told it would be 6 storeys high! Thank goodness the carparks are only 3 storeys high. I think it was never the intention of the developer to conceal this fact. Besides, the model displayed also had the multi-storey carparks.

We all buy what we like and sometimes after buying things we may regret. However, other things may make up for the faults... here at the Parc, the multi-storey carparks may not be nice, but at least we know that our cars parked at the first floors onwards will not be submerged by rain water like those in bukit timah. 阿Q精神。

The location is not bad, cos it is walkable to clementi central and mrt. Although the Parc is surrounded by HDB, but it is near amenities and convenient for us. Near expressway also means that we aren't too far from home once we exit the expressway. We don't have to waste time in a jam. I think it's all about how we process and interpret all these information. Think long term and we can see that the Parc is worth the investment.

[apple3]

Just say something nice about The Parc and see if I hound you.

Why must he say something nice when he feel there is none?

Yes the Parc is way superior to crappybelle in terms of location. I don't find anything wrong with the facade or the MSCP, even if these things are ugly, so what? it only affects other people looking at the development and not even staying there, the actual residents would be enjoying the convenience and amenities being near Clementi Town centre, and already The Parc has breached $1k psf......look at the potential.

Are you saying Multi-Storey carpark (MSCP) is no less then basement carpark?

Hello, accessing Permissible GFA may not neccesary must be build upward, you could go down as well. Land space are wasted which could be utilise as nice common area otherwise. Developer opt for MSCP due to cost, structure, ventilation, lighting, lift, etc. Have you ever park in basement and accessing the lift to your unit? And comparing to MSCP?

There are also tyre drifting sound affecting resident when vehicle moving up the slope as well as undesire light shining on adjacent unit. And not forgetting going all the way up at night when the ground level are full. And climbing all the stairs, so to speak.