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    Default False addresses and P1 registration: MOE rules and Q&As on using rental addresses

    The Ministry of Education (MOE) has made it clear that children who gain entry into schools through distance priority should be living “in the address used for registration during their primary school education”.
    As for whether pupils have to reside at the same address for all six years of their primary education, an MOE had clarified before that it will assess instances on a case-by-case basis.
    There are very few proven cases of parents who use false addresses. But any parent found to have done so will be referred to the police for investigation, and the child transferred to another school.
    In 2007, a lawyer was jailed for renting a condominium unit in Bukit Timah solely for the purpose of registering his child in a nearby school.
    The lawyer, Tan Sok Ling, and his family, were living in Bedok in 2003 when he decided to rent a place within the 1km radius of the Bukit Timah school in order to enrol his daughter there.
    He managed to find a unit at Maplewoods Condominium and paid a $1,600 monthly rent for 41/2 months from April 2003. He told the property agent that he was not going to live there but wanted to use the address.
    After signing the licence agreement, he went to the Siglap Neighbourhood Police Post on July 6 that year to change his address to the Bukit Timah one when he knew that it was false.
    His daughter was admitted to the school. But later that year, an MOE official lodged a police report stating that two applicants at the 2003 Primary 1 registration exercise had used the same address.
    Another similar case was in 2004 in which an air stewardess was fined $1,000 for lying about her address to get her daughter into a popular Special Assistance Plan school. The girl was later transferred to a school in her neighbourhood.
    For giving false information to a public servant, the maximum penalty is one year's jail and a $5,000 fine.
    MOE has said before that a child who wins a place in a school based on false information will be transferred to another school with vacancies after all eligible children have been registered.
    What is your view on parents “renting” their way to popular primary schools?
    Here are some questions I have received at ST's Education Community on renting a property and using the address of a new property for Primary 1 registration
    Q: I intend to rent a place near a popular boys' school to gain a place there for my son. Am I allowed to use the address of a rental property as opposed to one that I own? How long must I reside in that property?
    A: MOE rules state that children who gain entry into schools through distance priority should be living “in the address used for registration during their primary school education”. So, you can use the address of a property you are renting provided you and your family are living there.
    As to the length of stay, MOE had said before that it will look at it on a case-by-case basis.
    Q: Do schools check on whether parents are indeed living at the addresses that they use for Primary 1 registration to gain priority?
    A: School principals do checks when they receive complaints or when they have reason to believe that the parent used a false address.
    Q: I am buying a new property along Bukit Timah Road to be near a school which I want to enrol my daughter in. Do I have to live there from the start of Primary 1? The property will only be ready in 2015.
    A: The address of your new home can be used if you can produce evidence that you have bought the property.
    For private property, you must produce the original sales and purchase agreement. For this year’s registration exercise, the property’s Temporary Occupation Permit must not be obtained after Dec 31, 2016.
    In the case of a Housing Board flat, the Agreement for Lease is required. For registration this year, the delivery possession date must not be later than 31 December 2016.
    In both cases, you also have to sign a letter of undertaking, which states that you will move into the new property within two years of the child starting Primary 1.
    - See more at: http://www.stcommunities.sg/educatio....bf9lt1kT.dpuf

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    I was from elite schools, two full generations and am proud of it and can tell you if you cheat your way in or use a rental address, you will simply not fit in the system, get it straight!

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    Tell this to LKY, see how he answer you.

    Are you Peter or Gandhi.

    Brilliant!

    When Mahatma Gandhi was studying law at the University College of London, a white professor, whose last name was Peters, disliked him intensely and always displayed prejudice and animosity towards him.

    Also, because Gandhi never lowered his head when addressing him as he expected, there were always "arguments" and confrontations.

    One day, Mr. Peters was having lunch at the dining room of the University, and Gandhi came along with his tray and sat next to the professor. The professor said, "Mr Gandhi, you do not understand. A pig and a bird do not sit together to eat."

    Gandhi looked at him as a parent would a rude child and calmly replied, "You do not worry professor. I'll fly away," and he went and sat at another table.

    Mr. Peters, reddened with rage, decided to take revenge on the next test paper, but Gandhi responded brilliantly to all questions.

    Mr. Peters, unhappy and frustrated, asked him the following question. "Mr Gandhi, if you were walking down the street and found a package, and within was a bag of wisdom and another bag with a lot of money, which one would you take?"

    Without hesitating, Gandhi responded,"The one with the money, of course."

    Mr. Peters , smiling sarcastically said, "I, in your place, would have taken the wisdom, don't you think?"

    Gandhi shrugged indifferently and responded, "Each one takes what he doesn't have."

    Mr. Peters, by this time was fit to be tied. So great was his anger that he wrote on Gandhi's exam sheet the word "idiot" and gave it to Gandhi.

    Gandhi took the exam sheet and sat down at his desk, trying very hard to remain calm while he contemplated his next move.

    A few minutes later, Gandhi got up, went to the professor and said to him in a dignified but sarcastically polite tone, "Mr. Peters, you signed the sheet, but you did not give me the grade."

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11 View Post
    I was from elite schools, two full generations and am proud of it and can tell you if you cheat your way in or use a rental address, you will simply not fit in the system, get it straight!
    Are u implying people who cannot afford properties near elite schools will not be elites, and can't fit in? I can only say that people try to beat the system because it is so discriminatory. It discriminates against those whose parents are not alumni of the so-called elite schools. Get it straight, many rich kids are just relying on parents' connections to make it into the branded schools, rather than based on their own merit.

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    Come on, people are complaining about parents' connections and alumni as unfair etc, BUT,
    please also tell us, is getting into these schools because their parents are PAP grassroot leaders, clan/church members, parent volunteers (they volunteer just to hit the min 40 hours and thereafter they disappeared forever!), fair to the others?

    I can see big difference between parents who are alumnis vs the other parents. The alumnis have the school's spirit in their heart and are always around to help in school activities and fund raising. The same cannot be said about the other group of parents who also get priority but........


    Quote Originally Posted by timmy View Post
    Are u implying people who cannot afford properties near elite schools will not be elites, and can't fit in? I can only say that people try to beat the system because it is so discriminatory. It discriminates against those whose parents are not alumni of the so-called elite schools. Get it straight, many rich kids are just relying on parents' connections to make it into the branded schools, rather than based on their own merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Come on, people are complaining about parents' connections and alumni as unfair etc, BUT,
    please also tell us, is getting into these schools because their parents are PAP grassroot leaders, clan/church members, parent volunteers (they volunteer just to hit the min 40 hours and thereafter they disappeared forever!), fair to the others?

    I can see big difference between parents who are alumnis vs the other parents. The alumnis have the school's spirit in their heart and are always around to help in school activities and fund raising. The same cannot be said about the other group of parents who also get priority but........
    Fully agreed about the fund raising thingy. Even singing the school song makes your blood feel like burning, that is the pride of an alumni, be him or her is now an ordinary citizen or an elite.

    Why say "an ordinary citizen" or "an elite"? Because going popular school doesn't equate to finally become an elite and going neighbourhood school doesn't equate to finally become an ordinary citizen. It's really up to the hard work or not of the child. Chinese proverb says, "Master bring you into the door, success depends on the individuals". 师傅带进门, 成功靠个人

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    i am sure there are many more cases like this, just that not found out by authorities...

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    All man are equal but some man are more equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmy View Post
    Are u implying people who cannot afford properties near elite schools will not be elites, and can't fit in? I can only say that people try to beat the system because it is so discriminatory. It discriminates against those whose parents are not alumni of the so-called elite schools. Get it straight, many rich kids are just relying on parents' connections to make it into the branded schools, rather than based on their own merit.
    I am not implying but outright declaring it. Why want to go to elite school if you are not an elite? Starting from my parents, all my generation and generation after, are in elite schools due to alumini connections and are doing well, so?

    You consider, cheating in addresses and renting property near elite schools as entering by "their own merit" ? Why this hang up on elite schools? After all our Govt did promise that neighbourhood schools are just as good, build from there, work hard and you would be an elite and next time your kid can get in an elite school, what is so discriminatory?

    Unless you are a nobody and yet want to get into an elite school, that is a "wannabe".

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11 View Post
    I am not implying but outright declaring it. Why want to go to elite school if you are not an elite? Starting from my parents, all my generation and generation after, are in elite schools due to alumini connections and are doing well, so?

    You consider, cheating in addresses and renting property near elite schools as entering by "their own merit" ? Why this hang up on elite schools? After all our Govt did promise that neighbourhood schools are just as good, build from there, work hard and you would be an elite and next time your kid can get in an elite school, what is so discriminatory?

    Unless you are a nobody and yet want to get into an elite school, that is a "wannabe".
    lawyer cited in the case not considered elite?
    anyway, new launch project specialist considered elite or not arr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful View Post
    lawyer cited in the case not considered elite?
    anyway, new launch project specialist considered elite or not arr?
    "The lawyer, Tan Sok Ling, and his family, were living in Bedok in 2003" ie. a true blue heartlander, these days many non-grad policemen also became lawyers, so elite or wannabe? Most of my classmates with lawyer parents had QAP, KAP, Watten Estate addresses back in the day.

    Also I believe very strongly in this statement, "You can move the man out of the HDB but can never move the HDB out of the man", mentatlity and behavior die hard.

    Anyway if all elite schools start taking in "wannabes" from neighbourhoods, won't that make them the same as neighbourhood schools? So save your money and send your kids to neighbourhood schools if you don't have the connections.

    For a person involved in new launches whether he is elite or not? You be the judge, I am a fell through the cracks guy, but still much better than the rest of the local population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11 View Post
    I was from elite schools, two full generations and am proud of it and can tell you if you cheat your way in or use a rental address, you will simply not fit in the system, get it straight!
    so are u saying even if someone get it the so called elite school based on distance also will not fit it? some who got in because of clan/volunteer etc will not fit in?

    u bigger then the govt ah?

    Ong lai ah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onglai View Post
    so are u saying even if someone get it the so called elite school based on distance also will not fit it? some who got in because of clan/volunteer etc will not fit in?

    u bigger then the govt ah?

    Based on distance will fit in, because most elite schools are surrounded by elite neighbourhoods, so that is what I believe and so does the Govt, but those who cheat on system to make the distance criteria will not fill in.

    Those who get in by clan or volunteer may not fit in the system....in elite schools students do go to school in chauffer driven cars, Lambos, Ferraris, etc you think they will be able to fit in? Please don't subject the child to feeling inadequate in such an environment, you would be doing them a disservice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11 View Post
    Based on distance will fit in, because most elite schools are surrounded by elite neighbourhoods, so that is what I believe and so does the Govt, but those who cheat on system to make the distance criteria will not fill in.

    Those who get in by clan or volunteer may not fit in the system....in elite schools students do go to school in chauffer driven cars, Lambos, Ferraris, etc you think they will be able to fit in? Please don't subject the child to feeling inadequate in such an environment, you would be doing them a disservice.
    fair enough... since u fell thru the crack.. meaning u are no longer 'one of them' (even though u are still better then many hdb-ers), i suppose u will not send ur children to ur alumni school to subject them to feel inadequate right?
    Ong lai ah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11 View Post
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    Those who get in by clan or volunteer may not fit in the system....in elite schools students do go to school in chauffer driven cars, Lambos, Ferraris, etc you think they will be able to fit in? Please don't subject the child to feeling inadequate in such an environment, you would be doing them a disservice.
    i see the elite schools also have bus stops in front of them. who are the students taking the buses? (the buses are also crowded with the said students)

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    Quote Originally Posted by onglai View Post
    fair enough... since u fell thru the crack.. meaning u are no longer 'one of them' (even though u are still better then many hdb-ers), i suppose u will not send ur children to ur alumni school to subject them to feel inadequate right?
    what he means by fell thru the crack means he not lawyer, not doctor, not businessmen, not banker.
    how much does a top property agent earns, hundreds of thousand. dont play play. same as lawyer, doctor, business, banker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful View Post
    what he means by fell thru the crack means he not lawyer, not doctor, not businessmen, not banker.
    how much does a top property agent earns, hundreds of thousand. dont play play. same as lawyer, doctor, business, banker.
    Yes, right, but there are many of course here much more richer and more elite, I did inherit the family business but chose not to continue and just do some low key property investments, now mainly smelling the roses and browsing around.

    I am just sharing my experience on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful View Post
    i see the elite schools also have bus stops in front of them. who are the students taking the buses? (the buses are also crowded with the said students)
    All those who entered through the back door LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by onglai View Post
    fair enough... since u fell thru the crack.. meaning u are no longer 'one of them' (even though u are still better then many hdb-ers), i suppose u will not send ur children to ur alumni school to subject them to feel inadequate right?
    If I don't send my son to my alumini school then where? I have no connections with neighbourhood schools and don't live in HDB neighbourhood, what chance have I got under Phase 2B with neighbourhood school, when my alumni elite school is offering entry under Phase 1A.....sad isn't it? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11 View Post
    All those who entered through the back door LOL
    wah, so many people can entered through the back door.

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    Do you think you are special and elite and your family is forever elite.



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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11 View Post
    If I don't send my son to my alumini school then where? I have no connections with neighbourhood schools and don't live in HDB neighbourhood, what chance have I got under Phase 2B with neighbourhood school, when my alumni elite school is offering entry under Phase 1A.....sad isn't it? LOL
    and i empathize the anguish boiling within you that your son has no choice but to enter an elite school..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful View Post
    wah, so many people can entered through the back door.
    You think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157 View Post
    and i empathize the anguish boiling within you that your son has no choice but to enter an elite school..........
    Thank you, thank you....it's hard once you are stuck in an elite school it's a curse

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    Just tell moe to open many branches of the same popular elite school everywhere in singapore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop View Post
    Just tell moe to open many branches of the same popular elite school everywhere in singapore.
    You mean like this ? Nanyang Pri and Tao Nan all over SG.

    Nanyang Primary School (Bt Timah)
    Nanyang Primary School (Jurong East)
    Nanyang Primary School (Bedok)
    Nanyang Primary School (Serangoon)
    Nanyang Primary School (Woodlands)
    Nanyang Primary School (.......)

    Tao Nan (Marine Parade)
    Tao Nan (Clementi)
    Tao Nan (Boon Lay)
    Tao Nan (SengKang)
    Tao Nan (Nee Soon)
    Tao Nan (.......)

    All parents will have their kids in so call Nanyang Pri and Tao Nan. Same for Raffles Girls, St Hilda's and few others.

    Best is keep only top 10 Pri names and replicate everywhere. No need to fight anymore. All happy.

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    Anyone know where she from.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annabel_Chong

    I not from elite school don't know whether RGS is elite or not.

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    Have you ever been part of a group where one person’s negative attitude affected everyone in the group? If so, you may be familiar with the saying, “One bad apple can spoil the bunch.”

    That popular phrase is used to refer to a situation in which one person’s negative demeanor or bad behavior can affect a whole group of people, influencing them to have a similar negative attitude or to engage in the same bad behavior.

    The phrase comes from the idea that one rotten apple amongst a bunch of other apples can cause the others to go bad. But is that true? Can one bad apple really spoil the whole bunch? And if it can, why does it do that?

    No one knows for sure how or when this phrase got its start. It does have some basis in science, though. When apples begin to decay, they emit gases. If the rotting apple is mixed in with a group of other apples, the good apples can absorb these gases and begin to rot, too.

    Of course, we don’t always buy apples in big bunches today. Apples are readily available at the supermarket, so many people just buy a few at a time as they need them. If you ever do buy a bunch of apples, though, you might see this phrase in action if you don’t eat them right away and one begins to rot.

    So it’s easy to see how people’s real life experiences with apples in the distant past could have given rise to this common phrase we still use today. If you’ve ever seen how one person’s negative attitude or bad behavior can influence a whole group to think or act in the same way, then you can see why the phrase became so popular to describe people and situations, too. An example is when a bully spreads negative information and influences others to be mean and behave badly. In that case, one person certainly can spoil the bunch!

    You may feel these influences from time to time at school or in other social situations. Sometimes it’s referred to as peer pressure. This simply means the pressure you might sometimes feel when those who are similar to you — your peers — think or do certain things.

    It can be hard to stand up for yourself and think or do the right thing when others are thinking or doing the opposite. How hard can it be? It can be difficult if even just one influential individual has a negative attitude or behaves badly.

    But one bad apple doesn’t have to ruin the whole bunch. You can think for yourself and you can do what is right — regardless of what others are doing. Stay true to yourself and stand up for your beliefs!

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