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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    STRANGEST ACT!!! WHAT ARE THEY UP TO ????????????????????
    they think owners desperate to sell and will agree to all their terms. no money to pay addl 5% but can start survey work as if prep for devt continues. any1 know if surveyor paid?

    FORGET THIS DEAL IF DON'T C NEXT 5% BY 7TH AND MOVE ON. LET'S NOT GET BULLIED !!!
    With the market change and downturn, I think developers who jumped on the en bloc bandwagon last year are caught with their pants down. They are now stuck with expensive land and to make a profit, they must sell at a higher price than what they paid for. This is not possible in the current market or for the next few quarters. So the developer may decide to forfeit the 5% and just drop out of the deal. After all, there's no 'penalty' for them to do that and owners can't sue them.

    But do you seriously think you will be able to get another developer to buy such a large land in this climate? I doubt it. I'm sure the current buyer will also try to ask for a lower selling price or some form of extended payment scheme. That may mean not all owners will get their payment up front too.

    All this is moot anyway. SC decides for everyone so we just sit and be at their mercy.

  2. #122
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    STRANGEST ACT!!! WHAT ARE THEY UP TO ????????????????????
    they think owners desperate to sell and will agree to all their terms. no money to pay addl 5% but can start survey work as if prep for devt continues. any1 know if surveyor paid?

    FORGET THIS DEAL IF DON'T C NEXT 5% BY 7TH AND MOVE ON. LET'S NOT GET BULLIED !!!
    I think its not a matter of bullied. must be real problem with money. with market so bad now in sub-prime crisis, every developer is facing some problem, big or small. bank are 100% cautious in lending in case we like US
    My take is since we have come so far, let hope we can accomplished with them the impossible. good night

  3. #123
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    But do you seriously think you will be able to get another developer to buy such a large land in this climate?
    quite happy to stay put. looking forward to mrt.

  4. #124
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    dON'T let them continue with survey or other work if next 5% not paid. no such thing as free lunch.
    They pay not we pay, where gt free? let do, we also hope not to interrupt their works

  5. #125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    quite happy to stay put. looking forward to mrt.
    with $$$ in pocket, isnt better than MRT?????

  6. #126
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    with $$$ in pocket, isnt better than MRT?????
    Being able to keep your home is better than $$$ in pocket.
    With inflation, there is no way that property price will drop in the long run. On the converse, value of your $$$ will become smaller with time.

  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    So the developer may decide to forfeit the 5% and just drop out of the deal. After all, there's no 'penalty' for them to do that and owners can't sue them.
    OWNERS BEWARE DANGER VIEW FR DEVELOPER. SAID THEY WIN ANYWAY COS WE CAN'T SUE. LET'S CALL OFF DEAL N INVEST 5% NOW THAN TAN KU KU.

  8. #128
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    OWNERS BEWARE DANGER VIEW FR DEVELOPER. SAID THEY WIN ANYWAY COS WE CAN'T SUE. LET'S CALL OFF DEAL N INVEST 5% NOW THAN TAN KU KU.
    R U SERIOUS?

  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    R U SERIOUS?
    Saw Straits Times News,
    A SMALL property firm that snapped up enough sites to place it among the top en bloc players last year has put off completing two deals while it ties up funding.
    Because of the delays, owners at one condo are still waiting to pick up cheques for well over $1 million each. They expected payment in late February but an extension put this back to March and now the due date is late this month.

    The payments are pending from Bravo Building Construction, a relatively new firm on the property scene. It bought freehold Pender Court condominium in the Telok Blangah area for $80 million last July and soon after purchased Tulip Garden near Holland Road - also freehold - for $516 million.

    But completion of both deals seems to have stalled.

    Completion is at the final stage of the sale process and triggers the final payment - usually around 95 per cent of the purchase price - to owners. The remaining 5 per cent is paid when the owner vacates.

    These headaches for the owners come amid a slowing market for collective sales. The first quarter this year saw just one relatively small deal, compared with some 25 notched up in the same period last year.

    The Tulip Garden transaction is expected to be completed late next month but Bravo has already asked for two postponements - first to July 23 and then Aug 7.

    It has also asked for extensions to pay an additional 5 per cent of the purchase price - $25.8 million.

    This is a routine payment required once the Strata Titles Board approves a sale. An initial 5 per cent deposit was paid when the sale was done.

    The deadline for the second 5 per cent payment was March 13 but Bravo won approval to move it to April 7. Then in mid-March, it again asked to move the date, this time to May 5.

    However, before the sale committee could respond to the request, it is understood that Bravo asked again to have the date moved even further back, to June 7.

    Tulip Garden sold for about $1,018 per sq ft. It has 164 units comprising 96 flats, 66 maisonettes and two shophouses. Flat owners stand to reap $2.5 million to $4.2 million while maisonette owners will receive about $3.4 million each. The shop units will get about $1.1 million each.

    The owners are meeting this weekend to consider Bravo's requests that the completion date be pushed back to Aug 7 and the deadline for the $25.8 million payment be extended to June 7.

    The Pender Court deal is even further behind schedule.

    Bravo was supposed to have completed the sale on Feb 25 but had it postponed, initially to around mid-March. It then asked for a further extension to April 24, which has apparently been granted.

    Pender Court's 48 owners should each get $1.6 million or so for their flats, which sold for about $872 psf.

    Sources have told The Straits Times that they understand Bravo is committed to completing the two purchases and just needs more time to arrange funding.

    Bravo, which was registered in 2002, reportedly picked up $824.5 million worth of en bloc sale deals last year, making it the fourth-largest buyer of en bloc sites.

    Bravo's directors could not be reached for comment, despite numerous telephone calls and a visit to its office in an industrial building in Geylang Road last Friday. A Bravo staff member said that the company directors were away on business.

    GAME OVER

  10. #130
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Saw Straits Times News,
    A SMALL property firm that snapped up enough sites to place it among the top en bloc players last year has put off completing two deals while it ties up funding.
    Because of the delays, owners at one condo are still waiting to pick up cheques for well over $1 million each. They expected payment in late February but an extension put this back to March and now the due date is late this month.

    The payments are pending from Bravo Building Construction, a relatively new firm on the property scene. It bought freehold Pender Court condominium in the Telok Blangah area for $80 million last July and soon after purchased Tulip Garden near Holland Road - also freehold - for $516 million.

    But completion of both deals seems to have stalled.

    Completion is at the final stage of the sale process and triggers the final payment - usually around 95 per cent of the purchase price - to owners. The remaining 5 per cent is paid when the owner vacates.

    These headaches for the owners come amid a slowing market for collective sales. The first quarter this year saw just one relatively small deal, compared with some 25 notched up in the same period last year.

    The Tulip Garden transaction is expected to be completed late next month but Bravo has already asked for two postponements - first to July 23 and then Aug 7.

    It has also asked for extensions to pay an additional 5 per cent of the purchase price - $25.8 million.

    This is a routine payment required once the Strata Titles Board approves a sale. An initial 5 per cent deposit was paid when the sale was done.

    The deadline for the second 5 per cent payment was March 13 but Bravo won approval to move it to April 7. Then in mid-March, it again asked to move the date, this time to May 5.

    However, before the sale committee could respond to the request, it is understood that Bravo asked again to have the date moved even further back, to June 7.

    Tulip Garden sold for about $1,018 per sq ft. It has 164 units comprising 96 flats, 66 maisonettes and two shophouses. Flat owners stand to reap $2.5 million to $4.2 million while maisonette owners will receive about $3.4 million each. The shop units will get about $1.1 million each.

    The owners are meeting this weekend to consider Bravo's requests that the completion date be pushed back to Aug 7 and the deadline for the $25.8 million payment be extended to June 7.

    The Pender Court deal is even further behind schedule.

    Bravo was supposed to have completed the sale on Feb 25 but had it postponed, initially to around mid-March. It then asked for a further extension to April 24, which has apparently been granted.

    Pender Court's 48 owners should each get $1.6 million or so for their flats, which sold for about $872 psf.

    Sources have told The Straits Times that they understand Bravo is committed to completing the two purchases and just needs more time to arrange funding.

    Bravo, which was registered in 2002, reportedly picked up $824.5 million worth of en bloc sale deals last year, making it the fourth-largest buyer of en bloc sites.

    Bravo's directors could not be reached for comment, despite numerous telephone calls and a visit to its office in an industrial building in Geylang Road last Friday. A Bravo staff member said that the company directors were away on business.

    GAME OVER
    Geylang address?

  11. #131
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    Anyone knows how much business they have done since registering in 2002?

  12. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Geylang address?
    THE SALE IN THE BEGINING IS SET FOR THE DOOM, Y NOBODY PAY ATTENTION TO THESE?????

  13. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    THE SALE IN THE BEGINING IS SET FOR THE DOOM, Y NOBODY PAY ATTENTION TO THESE?????
    ppl already no the verdit. run far far.

  14. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    ppl already no the verdit. run far far.
    each house get 5% of option $$$ den stut again.(:

  15. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    each house get 5% of option $$$ den stut again.(:
    must pay agent's commission?????

  16. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    must pay agent's commission?????
    the boss had all the say???????????

  17. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Geylang address?
    Didn't lawyer check buyer's back b4 SPA signed?

  18. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Being able to keep your home is better than $$$ in pocket.
    With inflation, there is no way that property price will drop in the long run. On the converse, value of your $$$ will become smaller with time.
    Pinetree Condominium site relaunched for sale by tender

    Posted: 31 March 2008 2225 hrs


    SINGAPORE: The freehold Pinetree Condominium site in prime district 10 has been re-launched for sale by tender.

    The property in the Balmoral area currently comprises a five-storey block with 50 apartment units.

    Consultants Jones Lang LaSalle, which is marketing the site, said it has an indicative asking price of S$128 million.

    But if a neighbouring plot, which is presently housing some landed homes, is included, the total price increases to S$190 million.

    Overall, the successful developer may be paying S$1,700 per sq ft per plot ratio.

    Under the masterplan, the 41,361 sq ft property is zoned for residential use and has a gross plot ratio of up to 1.6. This means the new development can be up to 12 storeys high.

    The site could be redeveloped into an exclusive residential development with a gross floor area of 66,178 sq ft, subject to approval. No development charge is payable.

    Jones Lang LaSalle also said the land could be combined with an adjoining plot of landed properties to form a total potential land area of 81,303 sq ft. This will yield a combined gross floor area of 130,084 sq ft.

    With this combined area, a developer could build 60 to 80 high-end apartment units of between 1,500 and 2,000 sq ft each.

    The tender will close on 23 April.

    $516M x 20% less = $412.3M. anybody selling?????

  19. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Pinetree Condominium site relaunched for sale by tender

    Posted: 31 March 2008 2225 hrs


    SINGAPORE: The freehold Pinetree Condominium site in prime district 10 has been re-launched for sale by tender.

    The property in the Balmoral area currently comprises a five-storey block with 50 apartment units.

    Consultants Jones Lang LaSalle, which is marketing the site, said it has an indicative asking price of S$128 million.

    But if a neighbouring plot, which is presently housing some landed homes, is included, the total price increases to S$190 million.

    Overall, the successful developer may be paying S$1,700 per sq ft per plot ratio.

    Under the masterplan, the 41,361 sq ft property is zoned for residential use and has a gross plot ratio of up to 1.6. This means the new development can be up to 12 storeys high.

    The site could be redeveloped into an exclusive residential development with a gross floor area of 66,178 sq ft, subject to approval. No development charge is payable.

    Jones Lang LaSalle also said the land could be combined with an adjoining plot of landed properties to form a total potential land area of 81,303 sq ft. This will yield a combined gross floor area of 130,084 sq ft.

    With this combined area, a developer could build 60 to 80 high-end apartment units of between 1,500 and 2,000 sq ft each.

    The tender will close on 23 April.

    $516M x 20% less = $412.3M. anybody selling?????
    No lah, should be higher.
    How much is $1700 x Baseline GFA?

  20. #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Saw Straits Times News,
    A SMALL property firm that snapped up enough sites to place it among the top en bloc players last year has put off completing two deals while it ties up funding.
    Because of the delays, owners at one condo are still waiting to pick up cheques for well over $1 million each. They expected payment in late February but an extension put this back to March and now the due date is late this month.

    The payments are pending from Bravo Building Construction, a relatively new firm on the property scene. It bought freehold Pender Court condominium in the Telok Blangah area for $80 million last July and soon after purchased Tulip Garden near Holland Road - also freehold - for $516 million.

    But completion of both deals seems to have stalled.

    Completion is at the final stage of the sale process and triggers the final payment - usually around 95 per cent of the purchase price - to owners. The remaining 5 per cent is paid when the owner vacates.

    These headaches for the owners come amid a slowing market for collective sales. The first quarter this year saw just one relatively small deal, compared with some 25 notched up in the same period last year.

    The Tulip Garden transaction is expected to be completed late next month but Bravo has already asked for two postponements - first to July 23 and then Aug 7.

    It has also asked for extensions to pay an additional 5 per cent of the purchase price - $25.8 million.

    This is a routine payment required once the Strata Titles Board approves a sale. An initial 5 per cent deposit was paid when the sale was done.

    The deadline for the second 5 per cent payment was March 13 but Bravo won approval to move it to April 7. Then in mid-March, it again asked to move the date, this time to May 5.

    However, before the sale committee could respond to the request, it is understood that Bravo asked again to have the date moved even further back, to June 7.

    Tulip Garden sold for about $1,018 per sq ft. It has 164 units comprising 96 flats, 66 maisonettes and two shophouses. Flat owners stand to reap $2.5 million to $4.2 million while maisonette owners will receive about $3.4 million each. The shop units will get about $1.1 million each.

    The owners are meeting this weekend to consider Bravo's requests that the completion date be pushed back to Aug 7 and the deadline for the $25.8 million payment be extended to June 7.

    The Pender Court deal is even further behind schedule.

    Bravo was supposed to have completed the sale on Feb 25 but had it postponed, initially to around mid-March. It then asked for a further extension to April 24, which has apparently been granted.

    Pender Court's 48 owners should each get $1.6 million or so for their flats, which sold for about $872 psf.

    Sources have told The Straits Times that they understand Bravo is committed to completing the two purchases and just needs more time to arrange funding.

    Bravo, which was registered in 2002, reportedly picked up $824.5 million worth of en bloc sale deals last year, making it the fourth-largest buyer of en bloc sites.

    Bravo's directors could not be reached for comment, despite numerous telephone calls and a visit to its office in an industrial building in Geylang Road last Friday. A Bravo staff member said that the company directors were away on business.

    GAME OVER
    Like a MADE IN SINGAPORE - SUB-PRIME STORY, if deal go through. Luckily, local bank are saved.

  21. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Pinetree Condominium site relaunched for sale by tender

    Posted: 31 March 2008 2225 hrs


    SINGAPORE: The freehold Pinetree Condominium site in prime district 10 has been re-launched for sale by tender.

    The property in the Balmoral area currently comprises a five-storey block with 50 apartment units.

    Consultants Jones Lang LaSalle, which is marketing the site, said it has an indicative asking price of S$128 million.

    But if a neighbouring plot, which is presently housing some landed homes, is included, the total price increases to S$190 million.

    Overall, the successful developer may be paying S$1,700 per sq ft per plot ratio.

    Under the masterplan, the 41,361 sq ft property is zoned for residential use and has a gross plot ratio of up to 1.6. This means the new development can be up to 12 storeys high.

    The site could be redeveloped into an exclusive residential development with a gross floor area of 66,178 sq ft, subject to approval. No development charge is payable.

    Jones Lang LaSalle also said the land could be combined with an adjoining plot of landed properties to form a total potential land area of 81,303 sq ft. This will yield a combined gross floor area of 130,084 sq ft.

    With this combined area, a developer could build 60 to 80 high-end apartment units of between 1,500 and 2,000 sq ft each.

    The tender will close on 23 April.

    $516M x 20% less = $412.3M. anybody selling?????
    Pinetree back with lower en bloc asking price


    PINETREE Condominium, which was put up for collective sale in September 2007, has been relaunched at a lower indicative price of about $1,700 per square feet per plot ratio (psf ppr). This is about 20 per cent lower than the previous indicative price of $2,100 psf ppr seven months ago. The indicative asking price now is $128 million.

    The property is being marketed by Jones Lang LaSalle (JLL). JLL associate director (investments) David Batchelor said: 'Market conditions have changed.' But on the residential collective sales market, he added: 'I believe there is still interest but the market is more cautious.'

    The 41,361 sq ft site at Balmoral Park has a 1.6 plot ratio. JLL said the site has the potential to be redeveloped into a residential development with a gross floor area (GFA) of up to 66,178 sq ft, subject to approval. Mr Batchelor said that currently, Pinetree Condominium is built up to a plot ratio of about 1.816 and added that there is no development charge payable.

    The potential developer of the Pinetree site also has the opportunity to combine seven adjoining landed properties to form a total potential land area of 81,303 sq ft, yielding a combined GFA of 130,084 sq ft. This combined total will allow a developer to have a project with 60 to 80 apartment units ranging from 1,500 sq ft to 2,000 sq ft.

    Mr Batchelor said the seven landed properties have a total indicative price of about $62 million, bringing the total land price to about $190 million. There is also a development charge of $46 million to $47 million for the landed housing properties.

    In March 2006, Pinetree was on the market with an indicative price of around $59 million, or $888 psf ppr.

  22. #142
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    Calm and quietness filled CONDOsingapore.
    Everyone stared at their computer screens - completely dumbfolded as the bravo stories unfolded one by one.

  23. #143
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    It is natural to assume that the deals will fall thro. But there is no need to feel
    gloom and doom. For one, if every residence is paid 5% of the forfeited deposit and everyone is willing to a significant capital levy to upgrade the landscape and facade of the estate, will it not be worth much much more?
    Without the welcomed payment, some residents may be reluctant to contribute to estate upgrading.
    And think for a minute, will the buyer be willing to forgo the deposit and get
    bad publicity and never resurface as a developer? The deposit is by no means
    trivial even for a publicly listed company> They are asking for extentions to
    help save the purchases; it is natural. We would do the same if we were in the same shoes. Don't be too hard on yourself. Relax and let thing sort itself out.

  24. #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    It is natural to assume that the deals will fall thro. But there is no need to feel
    gloom and doom. For one, if every residence is paid 5% of the forfeited deposit and everyone is willing to a significant capital levy to upgrade the landscape and facade of the estate, will it not be worth much much more?
    Without the welcomed payment, some residents may be reluctant to contribute to estate upgrading.
    And think for a minute, will the buyer be willing to forgo the deposit and get
    bad publicity and never resurface as a developer? The deposit is by no means
    trivial even for a publicly listed company> They are asking for extentions to
    help save the purchases; it is natural. We would do the same if we were in the same shoes. Don't be too hard on yourself. Relax and let thing sort itself out.
    Fully agreed with you. Let the developer have some breathing space.

  25. #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Fully agreed with you. Let the developer have some breathing space.
    Do we have any other choice than let the developer breathe?

  26. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    It is natural to assume that the deals will fall thro. But there is no need to feel
    gloom and doom. For one, if every residence is paid 5% of the forfeited deposit and everyone is willing to a significant capital levy to upgrade the landscape and facade of the estate, will it not be worth much much more?
    Without the welcomed payment, some residents may be reluctant to contribute to estate upgrading.
    And think for a minute, will the buyer be willing to forgo the deposit and get
    bad publicity and never resurface as a developer? The deposit is by no means
    trivial even for a publicly listed company> They are asking for extentions to
    help save the purchases; it is natural. We would do the same if we were in the same shoes. Don't be too hard on yourself. Relax and let thing sort itself out.
    Fully agree with you.
    Let's upgrade the estate and the value of our property will be worth much more than what we are getting from this sale.

  27. #147
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Fully agree with you.
    Let's upgrade the estate and the value of our property will be worth much more than what we are getting from this sale.
    WAH! still want much more??? must be joking, already a developer has been victimised. How many developer u want to be killed by buying ur estate???

  28. #148
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    Victimised? Which planet are you from using such vocabulary?
    On our planet, we transact business on a willing buyer willing seller basis.

  29. #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Fully agree with you.
    Let's upgrade the estate and the value of our property will be worth much more than what we are getting from this sale.
    Huh? Whether you upgrade the estate or not will make no difference to the value of your overall estate. Developer will buy based on land price. It'll only make difference to individual unit price.

  30. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Victimised? Which planet are you from using such vocabulary?
    On our planet, we transact business on a willing buyer willing seller basis.
    Hope property price drop 50%, see whether u willing to sell?>>>>>buyer from another planet.

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