Which Government's service is the worst?

[Laguna]

Since last year, I been to hospitals SGH, TTSH, and poly clinics, etc. The average turnaround time including collecting the medicine is 4 horus.

The worst, like the shuttle bus in SGH, the waiting time is 45 minutes.

I had a trigger thumb last Friday, went as private to SGH yesterday, charged me $170, including of 1 min of laser pen treatment and 5 minutest of hot sand treatment. The waiting time at the Specialist clinic was ok as I was a private, and the wait time at the Pharmacy was 1.5 hours.

I was not pleased with the treatment at SGH, so I went to Poly clinic today, the turnaround time is almost 4 hours. Of course, cheap. The young doctor at the Poly clinic was very caring and prescibed me medicine, explained to me the stages of treatment I can receive and risk. Whereas the AP at SGH, just gave me the univeral cream Fastum, and that is.

Last week, at A&E, saw a young PRC woman there for sore throat.

The standard of public medical services is now in hell, badly under-capacity, lack of care. All poly clinics, are flooded with aged and sick.

I grade the public health service is the worst among all.....

[hyenergix]

Since last year, I been to hospitals SGH, TTSH, and poly clinics, etc. The average turnaround time including collecting the medicine is 4 horus.

The worst, like the shuttle bus in SGH, the waiting time is 45 minutes.

I had a trigger thumb last Friday, went as private to SGH yesterday, charged me $170, including of 1 min of laser pen treatment and 5 minutest of hot sand treatment. The waiting time at the Specialist clinic was ok as I was a private, and the wait time at the Pharmacy was 1.5 hours.

I was not pleased with the treatment at SGH, so I went to Poly clinic today, the turnaround time is almost 4 hours. Of course, cheap. The young doctor at the Poly clinic was very caring and prescibed me medicine, explained to me the stages of treatment I can receive and risk. Whereas the AP at SGH, just gave me the univeral cream Fastum, and that is.

Last week, at A&E, saw a young PRC woman there for sore throat.

The standard of public medical services is now in hell, badly under-capacity, lack of care. All poly clinics, are flooded with aged and sick.

I grade the public health service is the worst among all.....

The service will get worse and price of treatment will increase. Time to register yourself for Afiniti and Avira projects to enjoy wellness.

[thomastansb]

I rate transport as the worst and healthcare as 2nd worst.

[Lovelle]

It maybe better service to go acrossborder in jb to attend private hosp service.

[minority]

the popular TCM I go to in my neighborhood is worst. wait for 3hrs before can see the TCM guy. so which is worst?

[teddybear]

Different people have to different needs, so worst may be due to individual circumstances?

I heard people say public transport is the worst! Always breakdown, and for more than half a day some more!

I heard people say Singapore's education has become worst ever! What democracy and justice is there when GEP kids based on scoring on P3 exams can go straight to Best Sec School via DSA (don't need to see their PSLE results and don't need to compete fairly based on their PSLE results for entrance into best Sec School) and then the best Sec Schools are now IP schools and don't have to compete using "O" level results again to get into best JC! Wow! 1 P3 exams determined them no competition for next 9 years until they take their A level exams! What's more, the GEP kids are supposed to be cleverest kids need small class size of about 20 students to 1 teacher vs lousy kids grouped into class of 40+ students to 1 teacher! Who are the ones who implemented GEP and IP schools and give these GEP kids all the super priority without needing to compete fairly? These people complaining say they deserve to be shot!

Since last year, I been to hospitals SGH, TTSH, and poly clinics, etc. The average turnaround time including collecting the medicine is 4 horus.

The worst, like the shuttle bus in SGH, the waiting time is 45 minutes.

I had a trigger thumb last Friday, went as private to SGH yesterday, charged me $170, including of 1 min of laser pen treatment and 5 minutest of hot sand treatment. The waiting time at the Specialist clinic was ok as I was a private, and the wait time at the Pharmacy was 1.5 hours.

I was not pleased with the treatment at SGH, so I went to Poly clinic today, the turnaround time is almost 4 hours. Of course, cheap. The young doctor at the Poly clinic was very caring and prescibed me medicine, explained to me the stages of treatment I can receive and risk. Whereas the AP at SGH, just gave me the univeral cream Fastum, and that is.

Last week, at A&E, saw a young PRC woman there for sore throat.

The standard of public medical services is now in hell, badly under-capacity, lack of care. All poly clinics, are flooded with aged and sick.

I grade the public health service is the worst among all.....

[phantom_opera]

the popular TCM I go to in my neighborhood is worst. wait for 3hrs before can see the TCM guy. so which is worst?

this TCM doc must be good so u cannot complain ... demand & supply

[teddybear]

Ya lor they are not publish service. TCM is private, you think you need to wait very long then don't go la.

You have no choice but have to go public health service if you have no money for private. Public health service is supposed to serve the public at very affordable price. Nobody complains about private, the most is don't go private as you already paid premium to expect good services. If no good, don't go.

this TCM doc must be good so u cannot complain ... demand & supply

[hyenergix]

Different people have to different needs, so worst may be due to individual circumstances?

I heard people say public transport is the worst! Always breakdown, and for more than half a day some more!

I heard people say Singapore's education has become worst ever! What democracy and justice is there when GEP kids based on scoring on P3 exams can go straight to Best Sec School via DSA (don't need to see their PSLE results and don't need to compete fairly based on their PSLE results for entrance into best Sec School) and then the best Sec Schools are now IP schools and don't have to compete using "O" level results again to get into best JC! Wow! 1 P3 exams determined them no competition for next 9 years until they take their A level exams! What's more, the GEP kids are supposed to be cleverest kids need small class size of about 20 students to 1 teacher vs lousy kids grouped into class of 40+ students to 1 teacher! Who are the ones who implemented GEP and IP schools and give these GEP kids all the super priority without needing to compete fairly? These people complaining say they deserve to be shot!

I suppose your kids are not in GEP?

[teddybear]

What has this got to do with whether my kid is in GEP or not?

Just use crow sense not even common sense, also can't figure out any sense

You mean all GEP parents think that their kids are so smart that their kids deserve all the privileges and benefits as opposed to other normal kids since serve them right that they are less mortal?

You will be surprised that some GEP parents also do not think so but play by the rules as they don't want their kids to be deprived. Just can't bear to see the kids have no childhood nowadays.

Of course, some think so la.

I suppose your kids are not in GEP?

[hyenergix]

What has this got to do with whether my kid is in GEP or not?

Just use crow sense not even common sense, also can't figure out any sense

You mean all GEP parents think that their kids are so smart that their kids deserve all the privileges and benefits as opposed to other normal kids since serve them right that they are less mortal?

You will be surprised that some GEP parents also do not think so but play by the rules as they don't want their kids to be deprived. Just can't bear to see the kids have no childhood nowadays.

Of course, some think so la.

Juz curious which group of parent will u be as above if ur kids r smart enough to b in GEP?

[Regulators]

worst jobs are carpark attendants, everyone looks at them with scorn lol

[mcmlxxvi]

need to ask? of coz the taxman lah!

[Matador]

When they created jobs like Minister Mentor, Minister without Portfolio . . . service who, what? Mentoring full time? No portfolio? We have many firsts in the world. But the most inefficient is People's Association hands-down. Claim to be non-government but only do things for govt benefit. Organises events that people only come for goodie bags.

[eng81157]

Since last year, I been to hospitals SGH, TTSH, and poly clinics, etc. The average turnaround time including collecting the medicine is 4 horus.

The worst, like the shuttle bus in SGH, the waiting time is 45 minutes.

I had a trigger thumb last Friday, went as private to SGH yesterday, charged me $170, including of 1 min of laser pen treatment and 5 minutest of hot sand treatment. The waiting time at the Specialist clinic was ok as I was a private, and the wait time at the Pharmacy was 1.5 hours.

I was not pleased with the treatment at SGH, so I went to Poly clinic today, the turnaround time is almost 4 hours. Of course, cheap. The young doctor at the Poly clinic was very caring and prescibed me medicine, explained to me the stages of treatment I can receive and risk. Whereas the AP at SGH, just gave me the univeral cream Fastum, and that is.

Last week, at A&E, saw a young PRC woman there for sore throat.

The standard of public medical services is now in hell, badly under-capacity, lack of care. All poly clinics, are flooded with aged and sick.

I grade the public health service is the worst among all.....

my advise is never go to public hospitals as a private patient. there is no demarcation between A class and C class patients in terms of priority or service treatment. this is simply because public healthcare infrastructure was never geared towards treating the few rich but the commoners (and the situation of overstrained capacity was caused by the policies implemented by the buffon - Lim Hng Kiang)

[phantom_opera]

ST forum said dental must wait 1.5y ... by then tooth also come out by itself liao lol

Singapore spends bare minimum on healthcare so more money goes to Temasek/GIC to secure our future ... LKY hard truth

[hyenergix]

ST forum said dental must wait 1.5y ... by then tooth also come out by itself liao lol

Singapore spends bare minimum on healthcare so more money goes to Temasek/GIC to secure our future ... LKY hard truth

It is mysterious where the money from land sales, surpluses and returns from Temasek/GIC go to.

[zeamybro]

My record waiting time at SGH was a 4hrs wait at the specialist clinic. Appointment given was 1:30pm but waited till 5:30pm to see the doc.

But I thought recently, the waiting time for specialist clinics has improved tremendously. Had my last few rounds of visit at TTSH specialist clinic. Each wait was not more than 5 min (from my given appointment time) to see my specialist. But to get the 1st appointment date is like a 3-mth wait...

[eng81157]

ST forum said dental must wait 1.5y ... by then tooth also come out by itself liao lol

Singapore spends bare minimum on healthcare so more money goes to Temasek/GIC to secure our future ... LKY hard truth

SHHHHHH!!!!! later ISD invite you lim kopi

back to dental, PTTUUUUIIIII!!!! had a tooth fracture years back and needed to do an emergency crowning, so called national dental centre.

guess what?! NO staff price, have to wait for months (imagine this for an emergency) and the cost quoted is higher than what private dental clinics charge (by $100-200)

[Laguna]

I was told that, not sure how true it is
Even in name you have a Professor to operate on you, but in the OT, you could be ended up in someone else's hands

[hopeful]

govt has a purpose.
the bad service in healthcare is to encourage us to take care of own health better.

[chiaberry]

SHHHHHH!!!!! later ISD invite you lim kopi

back to dental, PTTUUUUIIIII!!!! had a tooth fracture years back and needed to do an emergency crowning, so called national dental centre.

guess what?! NO staff price, have to wait for months (imagine this for an emergency) and the cost quoted is higher than what private dental clinics charge (by $100-200)

For NUH dental, if it is an emergency, you can turn up without appt as a "walk in" patient and you will be attended to. I am not sure of the procedure for SGH but I suspect it's the same.

Agree that for their "routine" appts, you have to wait for weeks/months, depending on the dept. But I am a satisfied customer as I need the services of their specialists and I think the prices charged by the specialists is reasonable overall.

[chiaberry]

govt has a purpose.
the bad service in healthcare is to encourage us to take care of own health better.

This also makes a healthy market for the private hospitals and clinics.

[hyenergix]

A lot of people are mistaken. Most of our hospitals are run privately:
http://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_we...Hospitals.html

[teddybear]

This piece of news is still new!
They just updated 5 days ago but do not know which has been udpated!

How come they didn't make announcement?
So, do we have public hospitals in Singapore?

I help you to paste here:
Hospital Services



In 2006, there were a total of about 11,545 hospital beds in the 29 hospitals and speciality centres in Singapore, giving a ratio of 2.6 beds per 1,000 total population. About 72% of the beds are in the 13 public hospitals and speciality centres with bed complements between 185 to 2,064 beds. On the other hand, the 16 private hospitals tend to be smaller, with capacity ranging from 20 to 505 beds. The Government's role as the dominant health care provider allows the Government to influence the supply of hospital beds, the introduction of high-tech/high-cost medicine, and the rate of cost increases in the public sector which sets the bench mark in terms of pricing for the private sector.
The 8 public hospitals comprise 6 acute general hospitals (SGH, NUH, CGH, TTSH, KTPH & AH), a women's and children's hospital (KKH) and a psychiatry hospital (IMH). The general hospitals provide multi-disciplinary acute inpatient and specialist outpatient services and a 24-hour emergency department. In addition, there are 6 national specialty centres for cancer, cardiac, eye, skin, neuroscience and dental care.
Within the public hospitals, patients have a choice of the different types of ward accommodation on their admission. 80% of the public hospitals' beds (class B2 and C) are heavily subsidised with the remaining 20% with lower subsidy at 20% for class B1 and no subsidy for A class wards. In Jun 2006, the average length of stay in the acute care hospitals is about 4.7 days while the average occupancy rate is around 75%.
The Government has restructured all its 14 acute hospitals and speciality centres to be run as private companies wholly-owned by the government. This is to enable the restructured hospitals to have the management autonomy and flexibility to respond more promptly to the needs of the patients. In the process, commercial accounting systems have been introduced, providing a more accurate picture of the operating costs and instilling greater financial discipline and accountability. The restructured hospitals are different from the other private hospitals in that they receive an annual government subvention or subsidy for the provision of subsidised medical services to the patients. They are to be managed like not-for-profit organisations. The restructured hospitals are subject to broad policy guidance by the Government through the Ministry of Health.
The Government has also introduced community hospitals for intermediate healthcare for the convalescent sick and aged who do not require the care of the general hospitals.


Last updated on 22 Mar 2013

A lot of people are mistaken. Most of our hospitals are run privately:
http://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_we...Hospitals.html

[eng81157]

A lot of people are mistaken. Most of our hospitals are run privately:
http://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_we...Hospitals.html

eh, that's just another failed legacy of lim hng kiang. our pay is pegged to the civil service even though we have a "pte ltd" on our company registration. we don't have a free rein and have to take cue from MoH

[logic]

What has this got to do with whether my kid is in GEP or not?

Just use crow sense not even common sense, also can't figure out any sense

You mean all GEP parents think that their kids are so smart that their kids deserve all the privileges and benefits as opposed to other normal kids since serve them right that they are less mortal?

You will be surprised that some GEP parents also do not think so but play by the rules as they don't want their kids to be deprived. Just can't bear to see the kids have no childhood nowadays.

Of course, some think so la.

Hahaha.... this is a simple and obvious case of jealousy.

You won't be spouting this nonsense if your kids are in GEP.

[teddybear]

Nonsense?

So you are telling us that:
1) a P3 exam can tell whether a person is gifted?

2) a P3 exam can determine that a student can be exempted from all future fair competition for the best schools and this is fair, equitable, and democratic?

3) a GEP students are so good that they need a 20:1 students:teacher ratio while a normal kids can learn well with a 40+:1 students:teacher ratio?

The answers to above are very obvious. So, the education system are terribly screwed!

My comments has nothing with jealous or not, but putting a fair statements to ask the govt & MOE to really practise equality, fairness, and democracy in their implemented policies. People who are objecting to calls for equality and fairness are, well, we know what kind of characters you are.

Hahaha.... this is a simple and obvious case of jealousy.

You won't be spouting this nonsense if your kids are in GEP.

[stl67]

govt has a purpose.
the bad service in healthcare is to encourage us to take care of own health better.

like your humour

[ysyap]

Since last year, I been to hospitals SGH, TTSH, and poly clinics, etc. The average turnaround time including collecting the medicine is 4 horus.

The worst, like the shuttle bus in SGH, the waiting time is 45 minutes.

I had a trigger thumb last Friday, went as private to SGH yesterday, charged me $170, including of 1 min of laser pen treatment and 5 minutest of hot sand treatment. The waiting time at the Specialist clinic was ok as I was a private, and the wait time at the Pharmacy was 1.5 hours.

I was not pleased with the treatment at SGH, so I went to Poly clinic today, the turnaround time is almost 4 hours. Of course, cheap. The young doctor at the Poly clinic was very caring and prescibed me medicine, explained to me the stages of treatment I can receive and risk. Whereas the AP at SGH, just gave me the univeral cream Fastum, and that is.

Last week, at A&E, saw a young PRC woman there for sore throat.

The standard of public medical services is now in hell, badly under-capacity, lack of care. All poly clinics, are flooded with aged and sick.

I grade the public health service is the worst among all.....

The long wait time is largely due to the following 2 factors...

1. Insufficient hospitals and medical facilities. This is long overdue. Like MRT breakdown. There is a lack of anticipation for the huge increase in population thus MRT breakdown (of course plus a list of other reasons). Here, Singapore is a fast aging population. This is an age old knowledge but only until this year did the govt promise to build another 3 hospitals (or is it 4?) and XX polyclinics. Same scenario for the construction of the NS highway to run parallel with CTE. Long overdue. Jam like crazy over the last 10 years at CTE. Only using ERP to control that stretch of traffic and pushing vehicles to other roads. Increase in population would inevitably cause an increase in car ownership (and did they only know it recently?) but only after things have ballooned was remediation action taken.... sigh! Don't get me started on HDB undersupply... Only when KBW took over did he propose to build, build and build. Recently he even said its ok to have a bit of oversupply to control HDB prices (bravo). Such a trend is ever so prevalent in our country, isn't it? This, my friend, is what they call 'fire-fighting'. No fire no need to fight lah...

2. Lack of medical practitioners, whether doctors or pharmacists alike. No choice therefore hire many foreigners. Well I must admit that some foreign doctors are pretty good though! If a doctor is inexperienced (as all new doctors will be as new doctors are brought in every other month to meet the ever increasing demand for them), they would inevitably take a longer time to diagnose or prescribe the appropriate medication or carry out various medical procedures. Such an unfortunate situation is probably here to stay for some time to come.

Btw, some of my colleagues mentioned that SGH is nothing more than a high class polyclinic.