JURONG GATEWAY CONDO LAUNCHING!!

[Regulators]

I chose waterford coz that is still within affordability range of ocr ppl. In terms or location, lifestyle, condo tenure, any jurong condo wont hold a candleto waterford. Ccr condos typically dont yield better than ocr condo in rental , but that is not why ppl buy ccr condos. Do ppl pay $20k for a hermes to show that it is a better carrying bag than Kate spade? When you talk to others, what would be the difference in reaction if you tell others you live in river valley as opposed to jurong. Ppl who live in river valley, tanglin, nassim don't really give a shit about mrt in front of their condo if u get my point.

I am just wondering out of some many CCR project, why did you choose Waterford, which is perhaps one of the worst performing new condo in CCR. Definitely many times worst than Jurong condo that is right next to MRT track. The centris for example. The recent unit that was sold, make an annual return of 18% since 2009. That is many many times more than what Waterford seller made over 6 years.

I guess prestige actually come with a cost, not gain?

[mygeemeel]

Newsflash...
My bangla and Indian friends are filthy rich. They like convenience and they spend like no tmr.

Ok, back to your debates.

[Ringo33]

I am not saying j gateway should be worth only the launch px of centris etc. For condo prices to increase by $1000psf in an area in a few short years is sounding the slarm signal. If you do not believe the changing demo of tenants in jurong , just call agents to ask them.

$1000psf in few short years? How short? what basis are you comparing?
3 bedders old development vs 1 bedder MM in new developing like J Gateway? Is this unique to Jurong only?

You said the rental has peaked and demography in Jurong is changing. So please tell us more instead of asking me to call AGENT. Double AGENT 007?

We need FACTS please

[Regulators]

moreover waterford is minutes walk to orchard rd which is the world's number one shopping street, not JLD. Tired of shopping can walk the other direction a few minutes away to Robertson quay to enjoy the singapore river. In terms of location, i am very surprised there are people saying waterford's location is inferior to j gateway. even mackenzie 88 i cited is in a better location than j gateway

I am just wondering out of some many CCR project, why did you choose Waterford, which is perhaps one of the worst performing new condo in CCR. Definitely many times worst than Jurong condo that is right next to MRT track. The centris for example. The recent unit that was sold, make an annual return of 18% since 2009. That is many many times more than what Waterford seller made over 6 years.

I guess prestige actually come with a cost, not gain?

[taeyeon]

WOW??!!

S$ 2,396,440 (Guide Price)
S$ 1,810.00 psf (built-up)
1,324 sqft / 123 sqm (built-up)

http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...sale-j-gateway

[Regulators]

Caspian was launched at $5xxpsf in 2009 and j gateway selling at $1600psf in 2013, is that short enough for you?

For the change in rental demography, who better to ask than an agent specialising in rental for jurong. So you are telling me before you book a unit in j gateway, the only agents you listen to are those at the showflat? lol...no wonder you have so many questions at this point...

$1000psf in few short years? How short? what basis are you comparing?
3 bedders old development vs 1 bedder MM in new developing like J Gateway? Is this unique to Jurong only?

You said the rental has peaked and demography in Jurong is changing. So please tell us more instead of asking me to call AGENT. Double AGENT 007?

We need FACTS please

[Ringo33]

I chose waterford coz that is still within affordability range of ocr ppl. In terms or location, lifestyle, condo tenure, any jurong condo wont hold a candleto waterford. Ccr condos typically dont yield better than ocr condo in rental , but that is not why ppl buy ccr condos. Do ppl pay $20k for a hermes to show that it is a better carrying bag than Kate spade? When you talk to others, what would be the difference in reaction if you tell others you live in river valley as opposed to jurong. Ppl who live in river valley, tanglin, nassim don't really give a shit about mrt in front of their condo if u get my point.

you choose Waterford purely because you needed something to back up your nonsensical claim that at $1600psf, you might as well buy something in CCR instead of J Gateway.

However what you didnt say is that you are comparing psf price of MM <500sqft apartment in J gateway to a CCR apartment that is >1000sqft in Singapore, right next to Buddhist temple, and the closest MRT station is around 800m to 1km away.

Now you are dragging Nassim Tanglin into the picture.???

[Regulators]

i suggest you check what your beloved j gateway is selling first before you comment. A 9xx sqft unit at J gateway is selling for close to $1.6 million (http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...sale-j-gateway) when a 1087 sqft unit at waterford is going for only $1.75 million (http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ord-residence). One is freehold CCR in prime location while the other is 99yr in ulu jurong, i think in a place like singapore where prestige and status is important to many, i think you can be the judge which is a better buy.

you choose Waterford purely because you needed something to back up your nonsensical claim that at $1600psf, you might as well buy something in CCR instead of J Gateway.

However what you didnt say is that you are comparing psf price of MM <500sqft apartment in J gateway to a CCR apartment that is >1000sqft in Singapore, right next to Buddhist temple, and the closest MRT station is around 800m to 1km away.

Now you are dragging Nassim Tanglin into the picture.???

[Ringo33]

Caspian was launched at $5xxpsf in 2009 and j gateway selling at $1600psf in 2013, is that short enough for you?

For the change in rental demography, who better to ask than an agent specialising in rental for jurong. So you are telling me before you book a unit in j gateway, the only agents you listen to are those at the showflat? lol...no wonder you have so many questions at this point...

1 bedder in Capian was never price at $5xx psf during launch, so please dont come here and smoke us with all that nonsense, plus Caspian is Lakeside MRT and J Gateway is right in the heart of JLD, what is there to compare.

Nah, you talk so much about giving advice here and there, and now you are saying you dont have concrete information to back up what you said.

who is so dumb to ask such information from property agent anyway?

[Regulators]

at launch who gives a shit about buying one bedder caspian when a two bedder is $5xxk nia.

if you invest in j gateway blindly for rental yield without asking agents on the ground about rental movement in jurong, i think seasoned forumers here would indeed say u r dumb.

1 bedder in Capian was never price at $5xx psf during launch, so please dont come here and smoke us with all that nonsense, plus Caspian is Lakeside MRT and J Gateway is right in the heart of JLD, what is there to compare.

Nah, you talk so much about giving advice here and there, and now you are saying you dont have concrete information to back up what you said.

who is so dumb to ask such information from property agent anyway?

[Ringo33]

i suggest you check what your beloved j gateway is selling first before you comment. A 9xx sqft unit at J gateway is selling for close to $1.6 million (http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...sale-j-gateway) when a 1087 sqft unit at waterford is going for only $1.75 million (http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ord-residence). One is freehold CCR in prime location while the other is 99yr in ulu jurong, i think in a place like singapore where prestige and status is important to many, i think you can be the judge which is a better buy.

I think its about time for you to realize that propertyguru is not a place where you find transacted price, so please stop using propertyguru as facts for reference.

Prestige or not, prime or not, at the end of the day, the guy who sold his centris in ULU Jurong last month made an average of 18% per year since 2009, while the the guy who sold his waterford last month made a mere 2.8% since 2007. Plus Centris rental yield is so much high than Waterford you quoted.

How do you justify that investing in Waterford is wiser?

[Ringo33]

at launch who gives a shit about buying one bedder caspian when a two bedder is $5xxk nia.

if you invest in j gateway blindly for rental yield without asking agents on the ground about rental movement in jurong, i think seasoned forumers here would indeed say u r dumb.

Why dont just admit that you are comparing apple to orange instead of tell us what no one give a shit about 1 bedder. If no one give a shit, who bought it? The invisible temple monks from Waterford?

[oops]

Big plans ahead for JLD if they are launching at this price. Just like Marina bay when prices appreciate within few years. Not many people believe it then and miss the boat.

[Regulators]

A 9xxsft 3 bedder at j gateway indicative is about $1.6 million. If you think that is a better value buy than waterford, you can plonk ur money in, don't say people never advise u here. If you expect your 9xxsft unit to rent for $5k a month (at a measly 3.75% gross yield), good luck to you in finding your future tenant, that is if you can even achieve $5k a month for that tiny 9xx sqft unit. If you still think j gateway is a good buy after this simple maths, go ahead and get ur fingers burnt.

I think its about time for you to realize that propertyguru is not a place where you find transacted price, so please stop using propertyguru as facts for reference.

Prestige or not, prime or not, at the end of the day, the guy who sold his centris in ULU Jurong last month made an average of 18% per year since 2009, while the the guy who sold his waterford last month made a mere 2.8% since 2007. Plus Centris rental yield is so much high than Waterford you quoted.

How do you justify that investing in Waterford is wiser?

[Ringo33]

A 9xxsft 3 bedder at j gateway indicative is about $1.6 million. If you think that is a better value buy than waterford, you can plonk ur money in, don't say people never advise u here. If you expect your 9xxsft unit to rent for $5k a month (at a measly 3.75% gross yield), good luck to you in finding your future tenant, that is if you can even achieve $5k a month for that tiny 9xx sqft unit. If you still think j gateway is a good buy after this simple maths, go ahead and get ur fingers burnt.

Please mind your own business and stop being so key kiang and kaypoh about what people are buying for investment.

Everything that you said about MRT track, low rental, no demand, demographic change, alarm bell etc etc, are nothing more than just hot air.

If you are smart, you should just keep quiet and study the FACTS with a open mind.

Yes, FACTS is more important than blindly quoting propertyguru.

Btw, were you the one who say that D'Leedon is selling their 1 bedder at 14xx psf? What you waiting for?

[taeyeon]

Big plans ahead for JLD if they are launching at this price. Just like Marina bay when prices appreciate within few years. Not many people believe it then and miss the boat.

ERMMMMM MARINA BAY AND JLD LIKE DEM DIFF LEEDHH LMAO

[Regulators]

How much do you expect to rent out a $1.6 million 9xxsft unit in j gateway f or ? ? Geez....

Please mind your own business and stop being so key kiang and kaypoh about what people are buying for investment.

Everything that you said about MRT track, low rental, no demand, demographic change, alarm bell etc etc, are nothing more than just hot air.

If you are smart, you should just keep quiet and study the FACTS with a open mind.

Yes, FACTS is more important than blindly quoting propertyguru.

Btw, were you the one who say that D'Leedon is selling their 1 bedder at 14xx psf? What you waiting for?

[westman]

Please mind your own business and stop being so key kiang and kaypoh about what people are buying for investment.

Btw, were you the one who say that D'Leedon is selling their 1 bedder at 14xx psf? What you waiting for?

Dear bro, my advise for you when dealing with joker...

"Never argue with an idiot, or he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

This joker always want to win! Ask Teddybear... he can tell you tons of story about the joker..

[Ringo33]

How much do you expect to rent out a $1.6 million 9xxsft unit in j gateway f or ? ? Geez....

its doesnt really matter because you are not buying it anyway.

[Regulators]

You think everyone like you, talk up a place just because it benefits yo. All these while hiding behind the scenes like a dog n talk up the area to only be revealed u r vested in caspian. I dont stoop to your level to talk ppl into buying projects to their detriment even though it would benefit me. Not everyone is at your level

Dear bro, my advise for you when dealing with joker...

"Never argue with an idiot, or he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

This joker always want to win! Ask Teddybear... he can tell you tons of story about the joker..

[Regulators]

One more thing, i am also not as xiao ren as you to try n sow discord between two people. Tsk tsk

Dear bro, my advise for you when dealing with joker...

"Never argue with an idiot, or he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

This joker always want to win! Ask Teddybear... he can tell you tons of story about the joker..

[Ilikeu]

after reading the massive pages of arguments here between ringo33 and regulator. whom i do not know either of them, let's do a vote from the readers of this forum. Would u buy JLD or Waterford at $1600psf?

I start off first.

Waterford for me (for self stay).

[Ilikeu]

Peace. It is just my personal preference.

[oops]

JLD for self stay cum investment due to further capital appreciation and rental.

[Ringo33]

Peace. It is just my personal preference.

1600psf x 1000sqft = 1.6m
1600psf x 500sqft = 800K.

[westman]

9xxsqf=1500
7xxsqf=1600
6xxsqf=1650

[Zile]

Aiyo for me is not about which one better... It is about making $. Don't fall in love with your investment leh But if your investment horizon is > 10 years... Anything!Buy buy buy!! I'll will wait this out (MTB maybe ha ha). Don't scare lah miss one catch the other one. No scare no opportunity to make $.

[ecimbew]

Let's compare approx same size (but of course not the same num of bedrooms because it gets smaller as the years go by) and probably layout plus all the pros and cons of the areas.

[Ringo33]

after reading the massive pages of arguments here between ringo33 and regulator. whom i do not know either of them, let's do a vote from the readers of this forum. Would u buy JLD or Waterford at $1600psf?

I start off first.

Waterford for me (for self stay).

I would buy JLD for sure. the reason why Waterford is cheap relative to the surround condo is because of its location. Nobody likes to live directly next to temple because of negative chi where people go there to pray for sick, mad, broke dying and dead, not to mention the congestion and noise of prayer.

Since cost of car ownership is so high, it is a no brainer to be living in a place with easy access to public transport and also to have amenities within walking distant. At JLD, there are plenty, too many to list here. but at Waterford, you will have to talk easily 800m or more to find the nearest MRT station and you are located right at the top of a back alley where no taxi will pass by unless its for drop off.

So please dont kid yourself, and buy for the sake of district. if the place is conducive to stay, then it wont be appreciating at 2.3% per year for the past 6 years.

[Zile]

When the tide comes in all go up, when low tide all go down.