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    By Joel Cooper
    This story was first published in The Straits Times on March 17, 2013

    Right now is a funny time to be a foreigner in Singapore.

    From the crowds clogging up the MRT to the sky-high price of housing, it seems that everywhere I look, people like me are considered part of the problem.

    Things weren't always this way. At least, that's not how it felt when I arrived from London 21/2 years ago. Back then, the anti-foreigner sentiment was little more than a twinkle in a blogger's eye.

    Right from the word go, I was struck by how friendly people seemed and how they went out of their way to chat to me in coffee shops - asking where I was from and making sure I tried all the local dishes.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Singaporeans have suddenly become cold or xenophobic. And I understand the feeling many have of being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of outsiders. Yet it still stings to see some of the online comments about "FT scum" - a less-than- flattering term for foreign talent.

    This is a nation grappling with an intense debate about how many newcomers to allow in and what role they should play in society.

    But as a member of this muchmaligned group, I hope people do not rush to embrace a narrative that sidelines all the positives that foreigners have brought. After all, the country does not take in outsiders out of the goodness of its heart. There are no asylum seekers here. Instead, most foreigners come to work hard, contribute to the economy and, yes, make a decent living for themselves.

    If Singaporeans decide they would rather have slightly less economic growth in return for fewer people crowding onto this small island, that is fair enough. But it's worth remembering that even foreigners who do not sink roots are hardly bandits who simply take without leaving anything behind.

    Whether it is the construction workers toiling to build the city's homes or the multinational bosses who bring jobs, people from overseas continue to make an important contribution. And while I understand the need to preserve a Singaporean identity, I hope we do not end up becoming a convenient scapegoat for the country's woes. Of course, the foreigners here are far from a homogenous group. My experience will differ vastly from that of a maid or a wealthy Chinese national. So far, I've not noticed any change in attitudes towards me on a day-to-day level. Maybe people avoid the topic of immigration out of politeness, so as not to make me feel uncomfortable.

    Yet I'm aware of the perception that expatriates receive special treatment in the workplace.

    Last year, allegations of bias against locals made up half of the employment- related complaints. Perhaps reducing the number of people allowed in could help, at least temporarily.

    In the long run, however, the best way to root out a culture in which bosses do not hire based on merit might be to bring in anti-discrimination laws that allow disgruntled workers to take action. That way, both they and their employers would know exactly where they stand.

    As I watch the population debate unfold, I can't help comparing the situation with that in London. There, resentment crops up occasionally against low-wage migrants and the super-rich foreigners who push property prices beyond the reach of ordinary families.

    Both groups have been accused of taking advantage of state handouts or tax perks. But unlike in Singapore, local people who tire of high prices or seeing their neighbourhood filled with unfamiliar faces can always move out of the city. Here, space constrictions mean that's not possible - perhaps one of the factors behind last month's major demonstration against the Government's population white paper.



    My wife and I came to Singapore because it was a great opportunity to live and work in a global city at the heart of booming Asia.

    We've done our best to integrate and been welcomed in return, with friends inviting us to visit their homes and celebrate with them at weddings, parties and religious festivals.

    It may now transpire that the Republic doesn't need to keep recruiting as many migrants and expatriates, particularly those chasing the executive jobs that Singaporeans desire most.

    That's up to the public and politicians to decide. But as a foreigner, I just hope the debate doesn't become too acrimonious.

    It would be a shame if a knee-jerk reaction against outsiders spoiled that openness which makes Singapore such a unique and fascinating place to live.

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    the 'hate' word again. what's next? accusing sporeans of 'xenophobia'?
    standard old party tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by august
    the 'hate' word again. what's next? accusing sporeans of 'xenophobia'?
    standard old party tricks.

    If u dont read it and jump to conclusion nothing can be said.
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    i am sure anybody at their shoe will feel unhappy alto' we are not certain which FT singaporean is unhappy with.

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    Phew, for a moment I thought minority was a foreigner!

    But everyone is a foreigner if he is not in his own country.
    So we should give everyone a chance.

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    Most Singaporeans treat foreigners very well. The people don't hate foreigners but is upset with the government with overcrowding the tiny country with so many foreigners until Singaporeans don't recognize their home anymore and have lost all sense of identity. Worst still, taking away natural areas and our grandfather's tomb in Bukit Brown to build more homes to accommodate the massive influx of foreigners. I recall going to the Class 95 retrolicious concert and the screen was showing scenes of Singapore in 1980s, e.g. national theatre, children brushing their teeth by the drain in schools, triangular milk etc. One can tell the Singaporeans from the foreigners from their expression. When these familiar scenes appear, the Singaporeans will cheer because we all have a common identity. The foreigners will look around and wander what is the fuss about? These guys have absolutely no interest in Singapore's culture and history. There's nothing wrong with Singaporeans wanting to preserve our heritage and identity. We already have 40% of foreigners today. At the rate we are going, Singaporeans are going to be the minority. We love our country and our people and we want to preserve our culture and heritage - and there is nothing xenophobic about that.

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    Good article. As always there are good and bad foreigners. We just need to chase out the bad ones.

    Unfortunately there are also good and bad Singaporeans, even more unfortunate we can't chase the bad out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Falcon
    Most Singaporeans treat foreigners very well. The people don't hate foreigners but is upset with the government with overcrowding the tiny country with so many foreigners until Singaporeans don't recognize their home anymore and have lost all sense of identity. Worst still, taking away natural areas and our grandfather's tomb in Bukit Brown to build more homes to accommodate the massive influx of foreigners. I recall going to the Class 95 retrolicious concert and the screen was showing scenes of Singapore in 1980s, e.g. national theatre, children brushing their teeth by the drain in schools, triangular milk etc. One can tell the Singaporeans from the foreigners from their expression. When these familiar scenes appear, the Singaporeans will cheer because we all have a common identity. The foreigners will look around and wander what is the fuss about? These guys have absolutely no interest in Singapore's culture and history. There's nothing wrong with Singaporeans wanting to preserve our heritage and identity. We already have 40% of foreigners today. At the rate we are going, Singaporeans are going to be the minority. We love our country and our people and we want to preserve our culture and heritage - and there is nothing xenophobic about that.

    i second this. fear of losing our ricebowls, identity and culture does not equate to xenophobia, as purported by our one-and-only windtunnel. these are all legitimate reactions to change and uncertainty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Falcon
    Most Singaporeans treat foreigners very well. The people don't hate foreigners but is upset with the government with overcrowding the tiny country with so many foreigners until Singaporeans don't recognize their home anymore and have lost all sense of identity. Worst still, taking away natural areas and our grandfather's tomb in Bukit Brown to build more homes to accommodate the massive influx of foreigners. I recall going to the Class 95 retrolicious concert and the screen was showing scenes of Singapore in 1980s, e.g. national theatre, children brushing their teeth by the drain in schools, triangular milk etc. One can tell the Singaporeans from the foreigners from their expression. When these familiar scenes appear, the Singaporeans will cheer because we all have a common identity. The foreigners will look around and wander what is the fuss about? These guys have absolutely no interest in Singapore's culture and history. There's nothing wrong with Singaporeans wanting to preserve our heritage and identity. We already have 40% of foreigners today. At the rate we are going, Singaporeans are going to be the minority. We love our country and our people and we want to preserve our culture and heritage - and there is nothing xenophobic about that.
    Actually what do you mean don't recognized our home? u reconiginsed a home not by the people u see. but the people u live with closest to you. Its always sweet to look back. my ah kong or ah mah always look back they reminisce the good old village days. But they also remember the hardship they have to endure to come to singapore as well as the war. There are good memories and there are also bad ones. People will always remember the goods ones in the past. but do not forget we also have moved forward by leap n bounds over the last few decades. Which by all means are through hard work an perseverance. All this also encompass the growth we feel today.

    To say that today we are over crowded is like in the 80s looking back at the 40s thinking we are over crowded in the 80s. Without the Foreign workforce we could not have done all this on our own too. Yes we want less Foreigner sure. then we have to also accept the caveats that come with that. Be it slow growth, even higher cost , lesser jobs eventually if the MNC moves out. But if thats is what we want then be it.

    Being upset with the policies is one thing. Starting to brand and name call people base on race and nationality is crossing the Xenophobic line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    If u dont read it and jump to conclusion nothing can be said.
    Your title and your choice of the 'hate' word is telling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by august
    Your title and your choice of the 'hate' word is telling.
    So is the Xenophobic word in the paragraph too. If thats is what you look out for only.

    Then yes lots of Hate and Xenophobic mention in the in the content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    So is the Xenophobic word in the paragraph too. If thats is what you look out for only.

    Then yes lots of Hate and Xenophobic mention in the in the content.
    eh moron, this is what the write wrote

    "Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Singaporeans have suddenly become cold or xenophobic"

    so based on that single word, singaporeans are xenophobic in your eyes??

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    eh moron, this is what the write wrote

    "Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Singaporeans have suddenly become cold or xenophobic"

    so based on that single word, singaporeans are xenophobic in your eyes??

    Did I say singaporean are xenophobic in this thread? Aug mention Hate in title sum up as party tricks. So since he all he interested in is key words then he should also pick fault with the Xenophobic word in the passage too. Thus I pointed out he miss another word to pick on.

    Just like u! Jumping up n down. come to think of it. so sensitive. There have to be some truth in it that U are XENOPHOBIC!

    HERE U GO. I am Calling U XENOPHOBIC. not all singaporean. Song bo?


    U must be some blind bat. with a dumb ass brain. Go wank off man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    Did I say singaporean are xenophobic in this thread? Aug mention Hate in title sum up as party tricks. So since he all he interested in is key words then he should also pick fault with the Xenophobic word in the passage too. Thus I pointed out he miss another word to pick on.

    Just like u! Jumping up n down. come to think of it. so sensitive. There have to be some truth in it that U are XENOPHOBIC!

    HERE U GO. I am Calling U XENOPHOBIC. not all singaporean. Song bo?


    U must be some blind bat. with a dumb ass brain. Go wank off man.

    don't flip-flop. you have always maintained that singaporeans are xenophobic in so many other threads, contrary to what so many of us have stated repeatedly that singaporeans, by large, aren't.

    fear of new immigrants and FT/FW is never xenophobia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    don't flip-flop. you have always maintained that singaporeans are xenophobic in so many other threads, contrary to what so many of us have stated repeatedly that singaporeans, by large, aren't.

    fear of new immigrants and FT/FW is never xenophobia.
    let me google for u since u major fail in this round. from Dictionary ok. Doing u blind brainless fool a favor.

    xenophobia

    xen·o·pho·bi·a [zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-] Show IPA
    noun
    an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/xenophobia

    u dont flip flop from ur previous quote ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    let me google for u since u major fail in this round. from Dictionary ok. Doing u blind brainless fool a favor.

    xenophobia

    xen·o·pho·bi·a [zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-] Show IPA
    noun
    an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/xenophobia

    u dont flip flop from ur previous quote ok.

    UNREASONABLE FEAR OR HATRED - which of that does singaporeans, at large, exhibit? i've always maintained that singaporeans, by a good majority, aren't xenophobic and that fear of unknown or uncertain is a normal reaction.

    just as anyone of us go through a period of transition, there is inevitably moments of anxiety. with the fabric of society changing so rapidly and the infusion of foreign elements, singaporeans expressing fear is expected and REASONABLE.

    you are the moron that has been claiming otherwise. now i'm throwing down the gauntlet - prove that the singapore society has exhibited UNREASONABLE FEAR or HATRED. prove that we singaporeans have demonstrated an unreasonable amount of fear toward foreigners without provocation.

    i challenge you to

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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    let me google for u since u major fail in this round. from Dictionary ok. Doing u blind brainless fool a favor.

    xenophobia

    xen·o·pho·bi·a [zen-uh-foh-bee-uh, zee-nuh-] Show IPA
    noun
    an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.


    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/xenophobia

    u dont flip flop from ur previous quote ok.
    by the way, thanks for slapping yourself in the face again. WAHAHAHAHA

    goes only to demonstrate your ignorance as to the key elements of xenophobia, and many other things like inability to differentiate between capitalism and socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    by the way, thanks for slapping yourself in the face again. WAHAHAHAHA

    goes only to demonstrate your ignorance as to the key elements of xenophobia, and many other things like inability to differentiate between capitalism and socialism.

    do u have something better to say than these Bullshit recycled stuff? u lack the grey matter for creativity?
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    I don't think Singaporeans are xenophobic, they suffering from demophobia (fear of foreigners crowding our tiny island) n athazagoraphbia ( fear of being ignored by the govt).

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    Since this thread is rather sensitive and my nick name also a quite sensitive for some members, I refrained from post any comments.

    But I think I need to share my view regarding this foreigner thingy.
    Will not talk about Singaporean and Ang Moh, only want to shared what I read and heard from my Indonesian friends.

    Indonesia is a big country and populated by some 230million inhabitants. Most of them are Malay descent and considered as bumiputra. There are small percentage of this so called Indonesian who is Chinese descent. Amounted at around 3% but yet they control 95% of the country economy. Anything that related with trade will have to go through this Chinese Indonesian networks. All of their employees are Indonesian and they live together harmoniously for decades. Live harmoniously...maybe those Chinese Indonesian need to think about it again when 1997 riot happened. Their business and houses were burned, their women raped, their men killed. All this happen because bumiputra think that even though those Chinese Indonesian were born in Indonesia and even some of their grandparents also born in Indonesia, they still considered foreigner and will only be in Indonesia to leech on their resources. Instead of working hard to upgrade their own conditions, this bumiputra conveniently vent their frustration on those Chinese Indonesian.

    Do you think that what those bumiputra did was a right things?

    Should we blamed others for our condition instead of work hard to upgrade our position in this world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeignTalent
    Since this thread is rather sensitive and my nick name also a quite sensitive for some members, I refrained from post any comments.

    But I think I need to share my view regarding this foreigner thingy.
    Will not talk about Singaporean and Ang Moh, only want to shared what I read and heard from my Indonesian friends.

    Indonesia is a big country and populated by some 230million inhabitants. Most of them are Malay descent and considered as bumiputra. There are small percentage of this so called Indonesian who is Chinese descent. Amounted at around 3% but yet they control 95% of the country economy. Anything that related with trade will have to go through this Chinese Indonesian networks. All of their employees are Indonesian and they live together harmoniously for decades. Live harmoniously...maybe those Chinese Indonesian need to think about it again when 1997 riot happened. Their business and houses were burned, their women raped, their men killed. All this happen because bumiputra think that even though those Chinese Indonesian were born in Indonesia and even some of their grandparents also born in Indonesia, they still considered foreigner and will only be in Indonesia to leech on their resources. Instead of working hard to upgrade their own conditions, this bumiputra conveniently vent their frustration on those Chinese Indonesian.

    Do you think that what those bumiputra did was a right things?

    Should we blamed others for our condition instead of work hard to upgrade our position in this world?
    bcos the mass populace were for decades under a dictatorial regime and could not seek recourse through the system, they vent on the easiest targets.

    therein lies the lesson even for those who are privileged. An undemocratic system may appear calm on the surface & benefit certain interest groups for a long time, but is in the end untenable and will one day implode. History reminds us of this all the time.

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    you must be Indonesian Chinese, am I right?
    Quote Originally Posted by ForeignTalent
    Since this thread is rather sensitive and my nick name also a quite sensitive for some members, I refrained from post any comments.

    But I think I need to share my view regarding this foreigner thingy.
    Will not talk about Singaporean and Ang Moh, only want to shared what I read and heard from my Indonesian friends.

    Indonesia is a big country and populated by some 230million inhabitants. Most of them are Malay descent and considered as bumiputra. There are small percentage of this so called Indonesian who is Chinese descent. Amounted at around 3% but yet they control 95% of the country economy. Anything that related with trade will have to go through this Chinese Indonesian networks. All of their employees are Indonesian and they live together harmoniously for decades. Live harmoniously...maybe those Chinese Indonesian need to think about it again when 1997 riot happened. Their business and houses were burned, their women raped, their men killed. All this happen because bumiputra think that even though those Chinese Indonesian were born in Indonesia and even some of their grandparents also born in Indonesia, they still considered foreigner and will only be in Indonesia to leech on their resources. Instead of working hard to upgrade their own conditions, this bumiputra conveniently vent their frustration on those Chinese Indonesian.

    Do you think that what those bumiputra did was a right things?

    Should we blamed others for our condition instead of work hard to upgrade our position in this world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by august
    bcos the mass populace were for decades under a dictatorial regime and could not seek recourse through the system, they vent on the easiest targets.

    therein lies the lesson even for those who are privileged. An undemocratic system may appear calm on the surface & benefit certain interest groups for a long time, but is in the end untenable and will one day implode. History reminds us of this all the time.

    Are you insinuating something?
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    Don't need to have "SPEAK MANDARIN" campaign anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    UNREASONABLE FEAR OR HATRED - which of that does singaporeans, at large, exhibit? i've always maintained that singaporeans, by a good majority, aren't xenophobic and that fear of unknown or uncertain is a normal reaction.

    just as anyone of us go through a period of transition, there is inevitably moments of anxiety. with the fabric of society changing so rapidly and the infusion of foreign elements, singaporeans expressing fear is expected and REASONABLE.

    you are the moron that has been claiming otherwise. now i'm throwing down the gauntlet - prove that the singapore society has exhibited UNREASONABLE FEAR or HATRED. prove that we singaporeans have demonstrated an unreasonable amount of fear toward foreigners without provocation.

    i challenge you to
    Hey ding dong. u nim wit.

    now u suddenly say its moment of transition? I thought u are considering currently a invasion? make up ur mind dude. don't prata here prata there.


    I am calling u XENOPHOBIC.. u want challenge? Do I care bo? I think u are mentally challenged. That's the 1st hurdle u need to get over. read properly with ur not so blind eyes. I say U XENOPHOBIC. and I help u Google the meaning.

    u are demonstrating a unreasonably amount of fear towards foreigners now. get it? pls go one corner and manage ur transition quietly.
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    Like in army, there's only one goal. Everyone work hard for each other so that everyone huat together. Whether local or foreigner doesn't matter, nobody likes the chao kheng soldier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeignTalent
    Since this thread is rather sensitive and my nick name also a quite sensitive for some members, I refrained from post any comments.

    But I think I need to share my view regarding this foreigner thingy.
    Will not talk about Singaporean and Ang Moh, only want to shared what I read and heard from my Indonesian friends.

    Indonesia is a big country and populated by some 230million inhabitants. Most of them are Malay descent and considered as bumiputra. There are small percentage of this so called Indonesian who is Chinese descent. Amounted at around 3% but yet they control 95% of the country economy. Anything that related with trade will have to go through this Chinese Indonesian networks. All of their employees are Indonesian and they live together harmoniously for decades. Live harmoniously...maybe those Chinese Indonesian need to think about it again when 1997 riot happened. Their business and houses were burned, their women raped, their men killed. All this happen because bumiputra think that even though those Chinese Indonesian were born in Indonesia and even some of their grandparents also born in Indonesia, they still considered foreigner and will only be in Indonesia to leech on their resources. Instead of working hard to upgrade their own conditions, this bumiputra conveniently vent their frustration on those Chinese Indonesian.

    Do you think that what those bumiputra did was a right things?

    Should we blamed others for our condition instead of work hard to upgrade our position in this world?
    No, violence should never be condoned.
    Back in 1997, there were other elements that stoked anti-chinese sentiments (e.g. religious extremists) and shadow political play was taking advantage of the volatile situation to create chaos and ursup leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    Hey ding dong. u nim wit.

    now u suddenly say its moment of transition? I thought u are considering currently a invasion? make up ur mind dude. don't prata here prata there.


    I am calling u XENOPHOBIC.. u want challenge? Do I care bo? I think u are mentally challenged. That's the 1st hurdle u need to get over. read properly with ur not so blind eyes. I say U XENOPHOBIC. and I help u Google the meaning.

    u are demonstrating a unreasonably amount of fear towards foreigners now. get it? pls go one corner and manage ur transition quietly.
    u freaking brainless moron. when foreign elements disrupt a state of balance, that is called TRANSITION.

    what on earth are u rambling? u have been calling singaporeans xenophobic and i dare you to prove it.

    so many fellow forummers have voiced that we, as a society, aren't.
    don't be a bloody wuss. defend the statements you made, go on and prove that we, or even I, harbour unreasonable fear or hatred towards foreigners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    u freaking brainless moron. when foreign elements disrupt a state of balance, that is called TRANSITION.

    what on earth are u rambling? u have been calling singaporeans xenophobic and i dare you to prove it.

    so many fellow forummers have voiced that we, as a society, aren't.
    don't be a bloody wuss. defend the statements you made, go on and prove that we, or even I, harbour unreasonable fear or hatred towards foreigners.

    Dont change the topic. I say u are XENOPHOBIC . Why are u dragging others into the topic? u want me to help u google the meaning again? u forgot how to scroll? here is a hint. the up arrow.. up ah.. u noe? up? 上 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    Dont change the topic. I say u are XENOPHOBIC . Why are u dragging others into the topic? u want me to help u google the meaning again? u forgot how to scroll? here is a hint. the up arrow.. up ah.. u noe? up? 上 ?

    eh moron, i already challenged you to prove that i harbor unreasonable fear or hatred towards foreigners.

    don't be a bloody moron, go ahead and state your case

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