All say HDB not affordable. lets take a look the URB BTO prices

[Molotov]

And people blame the Government. Funny. All developed countries are having this issue. Not only Singapore. Yes, we have flawed policies but we got 90% right. That is most important. You want 100% right, maybe in heaven I guess.

To me, we have a bunch of useless people out there that blame the Government for everything. Even if that person fell down in his house, he will curse the Government.

I get the feeling that a few of u here are hardcore PAP grassroots activists. Save yr rhetoric about the PAP. They r the ruling party not the de facto government .

[triple70]

When ppl are ignorant, then u need a nanny govt to dictate the direction.
When ppl become educated and self driven, then a lesser govt is more appropriate.

My issue is whether the current policies are too prescriptive, resulting in a too uniform landscape. Every HDB town and shopping mall is almost identical. Parking at changi is the same rate as parking in Bukit Merah, thanks to the coupon parking system

The current govt can be less precriptive and thus attract less complaints. Think HK, Taipei.. are they that worse off? I would think those are happier places.

[eng81157]

I don't agree with stop at two. At that point of time, we barely can survive. Our economy is not robust, most of our parents are working in factories/manufacturing and earn $700 a month. Usually 1 parent working only. With that kind of scenario, the Government will say 2 is enough to warn the majority. If you want to have your 3rd, then you have to be financially better off because your 3rd child won't get tax rebates. I think it is a good policy.

But things changes with situation. If not, we will still be a fishing village. And we will be using Nokia bar phone, not iPhone or S3.

the stop-at-2 policy was not used singularly for the said purpose. it was eugenics, attempting to reduce birth rates among the lowly educated/paid while other forms of policies were in place to favor uni female grads.

this is bad governing, and a clear violation of our national pledge

[stl67]

Prices look cheap to me. Now fresh graduate pay $3200-5000 pm basic!
15 years ago only $2200 pm! HDB BTO is about same price then....

my starting salary was $1500 20 yrs back. after a few jump witihin 2-3 years, then ho say..but now stagnant liao... no productivity lor...

[RCT]

It all depends on how much you are earning. I know somebody earn a lot but we also have a lot of people that earn little.

[RCT]

And people blame the Government. Funny. All developed countries are having this issue. Not only Singapore. Yes, we have flawed policies but we got 90% right. That is most important. You want 100% right, maybe in heaven I guess.

To me, we have a bunch of useless people out there that blame the Government for everything. Even if that person fell down in his house, he will curse the Government.

Yes Yes.. Other developed countries also never pay so much for MP and minister. Since we are paying so much, so we thought our government must be better than others ma. But it appeared what problems other developed countries have, we also have. Only thing that they have that we don't have is a government that take less tax payer money.

[stl67]

Pap is competent but they made a few major mistakes along the way that is irreversible

First is stop at two
Second is allow use of CPF OA to buy properties
Third is giving up control for interest rate setting

No cure liao, first means must rely on immigration to sustain GDP growth, 2nd means hdb rental and resale value growth must outperform 2.5pc pa, 3rd means Sg will suffer comsequences of prolonged super low or high int rate as determined by US central bank

I still remember the "2 is enough" policy advertisement as a kid. To be fair, during that time, there were not enough jobs so it is quite logical for any government to say 2 is enough. Then when things get better, the policy change to "3 is better"... On the family planning level, I would have done the same..

No 2 or No 3, you are right to a certain extent.

[ysyap]

Yes Yes.. Other developed countries also never pay so much for MP and minister. Since we are paying so much, so we thought our government must be better than others ma. But it appeared what problems other developed countries have, we also have. Only thing that they have that we don't have is a government that take less tax payer money.

You are funny... lol...

[minority]

the stop-at-2 policy was not used singularly for the said purpose. it was eugenics, attempting to reduce birth rates among the lowly educated/paid while other forms of policies were in place to favor uni female grads.

this is bad governing, and a clear violation of our national pledge

This is to help the less well off survive too what. without proper family planing its a big burden for the less well of. how bad is that?

[minority]

my starting salary was $1500 20 yrs back. after a few jump witihin 2-3 years, then ho say..but now stagnant liao... no productivity lor...

with the 20yr inflation assumption. $1500 20yrs ago is equal to today's $3000.

[minority]

Yes Yes.. Other developed countries also never pay so much for MP and minister. Since we are paying so much, so we thought our government must be better than others ma. But it appeared what problems other developed countries have, we also have. Only thing that they have that we don't have is a government that take less tax payer money.

LOL..
other countries have other sources of income. non declared. and for example in US many after they finish their term they become lobbist. where the $$$ flow in.

you only look at the surface.

[minority]

It all depends on how much you are earning. I know somebody earn a lot but we also have a lot of people that earn little.

do share the stats of a somebody and a lot of people? in terms of no.s?

[eng81157]

This is to help the less well off survive too what. without proper family planing its a big burden for the less well of. how bad is that?

helping?! do you even know your singapore pledge?!

where is the equality when official policies are in place to penalize the poor, while encouraging an even greater divide amongst citizens. how are we then different from hitler?

and please, if it was that bloody good, do you think the government would have scrapped it after it cost them dearly in 1984.

[minority]

helping?! do you even know your singapore pledge?!

where is the equality when official policies are in place to penalize the poor, while encouraging an even greater divide amongst citizens. how are we then different from hitler?

and please, if it was that bloody good, do you think the government would have scrapped it after it cost them dearly in 1984.

other then u know how to recite the pledge. how can you help people? talk is so cheap bro.

The objective is to get as many people educated as possible then they can help themselves. If the family is over burden with hand to mouth issues. and parents cannot bring up the kids. how can that be done?

u are so mypoic. its application is in different times where everyone are use to large families decoz all come from farming and labour background. have more kids means more hands. as the population get more educated policies change with times.

u mean a polices that are applied in 1600 for example will be all still be applicable till 2030? what rubbish!

[eng81157]

other then u know how to recite the pledge. how can you help people? talk is so cheap bro.

The objective is to get as many people educated as possible then they can help themselves. If the family is over burden with hand to mouth issues. and parents cannot bring up the kids. how can that be done?

u are so mypoic. its application is in different times where everyone are use to large families decoz all come from farming and labour background. have more kids means more hands. as the population get more educated policies change with times.

u mean a polices that are applied in 1600 for example will be all still be applicable till 2030? what rubbish!

eh, hare brained. the government has already acknowledged its mistake, so what grounds are you contesting on?! do you know that children of the poor were penalized, with primary school admission priority given to those of graduate parents?

quoting from your own words "get as many people educated as possible", then shouldn't children of the poor even more be educated so as to promote social mobility and help them get out of the poverty cycle?

[minority]

eh, hare brained. the government has already acknowledged its mistake, so what grounds are you contesting on?! do you know that children of the poor were penalized, with primary school admission priority given to those of graduate parents?

quoting from your own words "get as many people educated as possible", then shouldn't children of the poor even more be educated so as to promote social mobility and help them get out of the poverty cycle?

what another woodhead.

so how a family with 10 kids and the parents can care less how the kid fair? Who help? state can provide the free education, and books and all but the kids dont have a environment the can focus on.

verses teaching the parents to manage their resources and put the focus on few kids so they have a better chance?

also u so simply forgot the times. in the 1970s family are poor so are the state. job are scare to. so u want to compare the Singapore of 1970s to today 2013?

anyway forget it. another wood head nothing can help..

[eng81157]

what another woodhead.

so how a family with 10 kids and the parents can care less how the kid fair? Who help? state can provide the free education, and books and all but the kids dont have a environment the can focus on.

verses teaching the parents to manage their resources and put the focus on few kids so they have a better chance?

also u so simply forgot the times. in the 1970s family are poor so are the state. job are scare to. so u want to compare the Singapore of 1970s to today 2013?

anyway forget it. another wood head nothing can help..

wah piang, moron with a capital M. u just shot yourself in the foot.
the state didn't provide free education to the poor. if fact, it did the opposite by giving priority to children of graduates.

secondly, you mentioned teaching parents to manage resources. does financial and social penalties equate teaching? aren't there better alternatives to do so?

[minority]

wah piang, moron with a capital M. u just shot yourself in the foot.
the state didn't provide free education to the poor. if fact, it did the opposite by giving priority to children of graduates.

secondly, you mentioned teaching parents to manage resources. does financial and social penalties equate teaching? aren't there better alternatives to do so?

really u been to secondary schools? or primary schools? many never pay school fees but they are still allow to finish schools.

scholarships are given base on merit. not on background. so you are saying there are no one from a poor back ground getting scholarship?

wat rubbish u spewing?

[minority]

wah piang, moron with a capital M. u just shot yourself in the foot.
the state didn't provide free education to the poor. if fact, it did the opposite by giving priority to children of graduates.

secondly, you mentioned teaching parents to manage resources. does financial and social penalties equate teaching? aren't there better alternatives to do so?

what social penalties? u mean never give a clutch? how good is the clutch doing the malaysia bumiputra any good?

[eng81157]

really u been to secondary schools? or primary schools? many never pay school fees but they are still allow to finish schools.

scholarships are given base on merit. not on background. so you are saying there are no one from a poor back ground getting scholarship?

wat rubbish u spewing?

it is SCHOOL ADMISSION!!! wah piang, can't even read. who is talking about scholarships or giving a clutch?!

eh, please go polish up your ability to read or oh wait, forgot i forgot i'm talking to a synaptically challenged monocell

[minority]

it is SCHOOL ADMISSION!!! wah piang, can't even read. who is talking about scholarships or giving a clutch?!

eh, please go polish up your ability to read or oh wait, forgot i forgot i'm talking to a synaptically challenged monocell

what bullshit.

can u read ? Scholarship are given base on MERIT not some bulls shit u are spewing.

[Regulators]

As usual a numbskull that can't follow line of argument. you expect government to give scholarships to everyone? poor people who are deprived of education but cannot get scholarship would have fallen through the cracks. Just speak to the poorer older generation relatives and ask them how many couldn't afford schooling because they had no money. Many in my family had to give up schooling to go out and work. They have not much education but at least they don't talk with no brains like you.

what bullshit.

can u read ? Scholarship are given base on MERIT not some bulls shit u are spewing.

[eng81157]

what bullshit.

can u read ? Scholarship are given base on MERIT not some bulls shit u are spewing.

eh MORON. no one is debating about scholarship and merit.

the govt's policy against the children of poor is giving school admission priority to those of the rich


LEARN to READ

[minority]

eh MORON. no one is debating about scholarship and merit.

the govt's policy against the children of poor is giving school admission priority to those of the rich


LEARN to READ

wat a bunch or crock. wat cock u talk. one monument Kao pay scholar ship give to rich next say no its not its school admission. Go IHM get ur thoughts straighten out 1st before u sprew rubbish.

[eng81157]

eh, hare brained. the government has already acknowledged its mistake, so what grounds are you contesting on?! do you know that children of the poor were penalized, with primary school admission priority given to those of graduate parents?

quoting from your own words "get as many people educated as possible", then shouldn't children of the poor even more be educated so as to promote social mobility and help them get out of the poverty cycle?

eh moron, in case you can't read - it's school admission. no one talked about scholarship, you just conveniently shifted the goal post when you can't win the debate.

by the way, "one monument" WAHAHAHAHAHA

logic fail, grammar fail, sentence construction fail

[minority]

eh moron, in case you can't read - it's school admission. no one talked about scholarship, you just conveniently shifted the goal post when you can't win the debate.

by the way, "one monument" WAHAHAHAHAHA

logic fail, grammar fail, sentence construction fail

Wood head.

[Shanhz]

the stop-at-2 policy was not used singularly for the said purpose. it was eugenics, attempting to reduce birth rates among the lowly educated/paid while other forms of policies were in place to favor uni female grads.

this is bad governing, and a clear violation of our national pledge

LKY's gene pool theory

[eng81157]

LKY's gene pool theory

yup, a eugenics project that burnt. the failure is apparent all the more since dear Mr M don't seem to have genes that process logic

[minority]

So u are saying that it should not be base on MERIT? and then base on what? base on a person capability is the fairest. want clutch?

then later all scream not fair. blah blah blah complain kao pay kao bu .

This eng eng have some stuff up logic that is beyond phantom.

[eng81157]

So u are saying that it should not be base on MERIT? and then base on what? base on a person capability is the fairest. want clutch?

then later all scream not fair. blah blah blah complain kao pay kao bu .

This eng eng have some stuff up logic that is beyond phantom.

eh moron, in case you can't read - it's school admission. no one talked about scholarship, you just conveniently shifted the goal post when you can't win the debate.

by the way, "one monument" WAHAHAHAHAHA

logic fail, grammar fail, sentence construction fail