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    Default CPF minimum sum to rise

    http://mom.gov.sg/newsroom/Pages/Pre...spx?listid=430

    30 May 2012


    1. CPF members who turn 55 between 1 July 2012 and 30 June 2013 will need to set aside a Minimum Sum (MS) of $139,000. The MS for 2011 was $131,000.
    2. The MS has been adjusted over the years to account for inflation, longer life expectancies and Singaporeans' rising expectations of their quality of life post-retirement. Since 2004, the MS has been increased by $4,000 (in 2003 dollars ) each year to reach $120,000 (2003$ ) in 2013, as recommended by the Economic Review Committee in 2003. The actual increases in MS are also adjusted for inflation each year.
    3. Based on 2011 inflation and incorporating the annual $4,000 (in 2003 dollars) adjustment, the increase in MS due this year would have been $12,000, which is relatively large compared to previous years. In response to concerns over large increases in MS in any given year, we will spread out the remaining MS increases needed to reach the $120,000 (2003$) target over a longer period of four years. This means we will reach the target in 2015, instead of 2013.
    4. With this change, the 2012 MS will be $139,000, a 6% increase ($8,000) over 2011. Without the change, the 2012 MS would have been $143,000 or a 9% increase over 2011.

      Medisave Minimum Sum and Medisave Contribution Ceiling
    5. The Medisave Minimum Sum (MMS) is the amount that a person turning 55 needs to set aside for his hospitalisation expenses in subsidised Class B2 and C wards, subsidised outpatient treatment for selected chronic conditions and basic MediShield and ElderShield premiums in his old age. Regular MMS adjustments are necessary to help Singaporeans plan for their long-term healthcare needs.
    6. From 1 July 2012,

      a. The Medisave Minimum Sum (MMS) will be raised to $38,500 from $36,000, a 7% increase. Members will be able to withdraw their Medisave savings in excess of the MMS at or after age 55.

      b. The maximum balance a member may have in his Medisave Account, known as the Medisave Contribution Ceiling (MCC), is set at $5,000 above MMS and this would be increased correspondingly to $43,500, from $41,000.
    7. As announced previously, any Medisave contribution in excess of the prevailing MCC will be transferred to the member’s Special Account if he is below age 55 or to his Retirement Account if he is above age 55 and has a MS shortfall.

      CPF Board organises free talks for members reaching 55
    8. As part of CPF Board's ongoing efforts to help members reaching 55 understand the MS and make informed choices about their CPF savings, the CPF Board will be organising three talks opened for members' registration from June to August. More information on the talks, please refer to CPF website.

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    Garment really worried for Singaporean. Wonder when can medisave fund be used for malaysian hospital. Heard Peter Lim is working on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    Garment really worried for Singaporean. Wonder when can medisave fund be used for malaysian hospital. Heard Peter Lim is working on it.
    you think garment really worried for singaporean?
    how come only minimum sum is raised?
    why not increase the interest earned in CPF, pegged to inflation?

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    i check the cpf account for my mother few days ago..

    shocked to see she have a huge amount of $$ under medifund account.. all these cannot be touch...but only can be use for insurance and general hospital stuffs..(heard not all hospital bill can be bill using medisave
    I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” - Robert Frost quotes (American poet, 1874-1963)

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    Gahmen worry, we take CPF $ go visit our 2 casinos and beef up Sands & Genting P&L..., left with big welfare bill and liabilitie$...

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    Quote Originally Posted by land118
    Gahmen worry, we take CPF $ go visit our 2 casinos and beef up Sands & Genting P&L..., left with big welfare bill and liabilitie$...
    gahmen also worry about old men taking out huge amount of money from CPF and wanting to marry young china women and then get cheated off their life savings. After tat no money these pathetic old men have to fall back on society and children and government.

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    This may form part of Singapore's reserve which is there in our personal statement but really not sure if it is there physically. Hope they have not gone into bad investment in the last few years.
    Quote Originally Posted by roly8
    i check the cpf account for my mother few days ago..

    shocked to see she have a huge amount of $$ under medifund account.. all these cannot be touch...but only can be use for insurance and general hospital stuffs..(heard not all hospital bill can be bill using medisave

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    This may form part of Singapore's reserve which is there in our personal statement but really not sure if it is there physically. Hope they have not gone into bad investment in the last few years.
    Can be sure there are a lot of bad investments. If not more earnings from the investments should have been returned to CPF owners so that they can enjoy a golden old age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    This may form part of Singapore's reserve which is there in our personal statement but really not sure if it is there physically. Hope they have not gone into bad investment in the last few years.
    you know i know...can already..

    no one dare to say our money already gone down the drain during the last crisis & other investments..
    I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” - Robert Frost quotes (American poet, 1874-1963)

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    "Does Temasek manage CPF funds or Singapore’s foreign reserves?

    Temasek does not manage any CPF funds - these are managed by the Board of the Central Provident Fund, nor does it manage Singapore’s Official Foreign Reserves, which are managed by the Monetary Authority of Singapore.

    More information on the management of Singapore’s reserves is available by visiting the Singapore Ministry of Finance website, http://app.mof.gov.sg, which has a Frequently Asked Questions section on the management of reserves."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allthepies
    gahmen also worry about old men taking out huge amount of money from CPF and wanting to marry young china women and then get cheated off their life savings. After tat no money these pathetic old men have to fall back on society and children and government.
    ya, already happening..., old men feel the 2nd love wind, buying china mei mei their "love nest" in china...

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    How about GIC?
    Quote Originally Posted by TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
    "Does Temasek manage CPF funds or Singapore’s foreign reserves?

    Temasek does not manage any CPF funds - these are managed by the Board of the Central Provident Fund, nor does it manage Singapore’s Official Foreign Reserves, which are managed by the Monetary Authority of Singapore.

    More information on the management of Singapore’s reserves is available by visiting the Singapore Ministry of Finance website, http://app.mof.gov.sg, which has a Frequently Asked Questions section on the management of reserves."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allthepies
    gahmen also worry about old men taking out huge amount of money from CPF and wanting to marry young china women and then get cheated off their life savings. After tat no money these pathetic old men have to fall back on society and children and government.
    Old women not susceptible.
    So minimum sum for women can be less or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roly8
    i check the cpf account for my mother few days ago..

    shocked to see she have a huge amount of $$ under medifund account.. all these cannot be touch...but only can be use for insurance and general hospital stuffs..(heard not all hospital bill can be bill using medisave
    Use it to get some better shield plans, so she get better coverage in her golden years. Recently, I realise the restructured hospital really cmi and as you said, Medisave is as good as cannot get back one, so a pte hospital in time of need is $ better spent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    How about GIC?
    http://www.asiaone.com/Business/My+M...924-26743.html

    Maybe not directly. But left pocket right pocket etc could be. Unless your surname is Ho or Lee probably you don't really know the exact details...

    Anyhoo, I'm happy I almost emptied my CPF OA already using all for properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakasa2002
    Use it to get some better shield plans, so she get better coverage in her golden years. Recently, I realise the restructured hospital really cmi and as you said, Medisave is as good as cannot get back one, so a pte hospital in time of need is $ better spent...
    the restructured hospital maybe got no bed for you .. lol
    I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” - Robert Frost quotes (American poet, 1874-1963)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
    http://www.asiaone.com/Business/My+M...924-26743.html

    Maybe not directly. But left pocket right pocket etc could be. Unless your surname is Ho or Lee probably you don't really know the exact details...

    Anyhoo, I'm happy I almost emptied my CPF OA already using all for properties.
    President suppose to check and also know..., but most Singaporean do not know where...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttercarp
    Old women not susceptible.
    So minimum sum for women can be less or not?
    Old women also will go find those white faced aunty killers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    Garment really worried for Singaporean. Wonder when can medisave fund be used for malaysian hospital. Heard Peter Lim is working on it.
    yes, u can

    http://ask-us.cpf.gov.sg/hybrid/Them...Id=&SourceId=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful
    you think garment really worried for singaporean?
    how come only minimum sum is raised?
    why not increase the interest earned in CPF, pegged to inflation?
    Exactly!!!

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    found this estimated CPF min sum in the future, based on 3, 4, 5% inflation rate
    3 4 5% inflation
    2020 190,000 203,300 217,400 (7 more years)

    2030 255,200 300,900 354,300 (17 more years)

    2040 343,000 445,200 577,000 (27 more years)

    2043 374,800 500,800 668,000 (30 more years)

    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    found this estimated CPF min sum in the future, based on 3, 4, 5% inflation rate
    3 4 5% inflation
    2020 190,000 203,300 217,400 (7 more years)

    2030 255,200 300,900 354,300 (17 more years)

    2040 343,000 445,200 577,000 (27 more years)

    2043 374,800 500,800 668,000 (30 more years)

    Wah from 7 to 17 yrs, a period of 10 yearrs, a jump of $65k but the next 10 years, its another jump of $88k. Faint liao... how to retire man. Must top up cpf...

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    The sad thing is payout is not inflation adjusted. It is linked to your batch.
    So the "older" will get less monthly pay than the "younger".

    For example, 30 years later, depending on the eventual Minimum Sum, you will something like this:

    a 90 year old will get S$1.2K,
    a 80 year old will get S$2.5k,
    a 70 year old will get S$4k.

    Still a very funny system.
    Last edited by richwang; 13-07-13 at 20:53.

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