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    » Developers rush to meet marketing rules deadline

    Straits Times: Tue, May 15


    DEVELOPERS are warning of administrative headaches in the changeover to new rules this Friday requiring them to be more transparent in the marketing of their projects.

    A check with developers by The Straits Times found that most are ready to meet the deadline on Friday.

    But they report a frenzy of activity as developers, lawyers and architects rush to tie up loose ends given the tight deadline of just one month since the changes were announced.

    Developers say that while they do not anticipate major challenges in complying with the new rules, the sales process will become much more complicated.

    There will be an increase in paperwork, especially for projects with units left unsold at the time of the change.

    They will need two versions of sales and purchase agreements and options to purchase - one for sales before May18 and another set after. Each will have different contractual obligations.

    This means that even if a few units in a launched project are unsold, the developer must use the new versions of the purchase documents mandated by the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) for all sales from Friday onwards.

    The URA made changes to its Housing Developers Rules last month, requiring developers to give more information in writing on the project and unit to buyers before the option to purchase is issued.

    This first phase of changes to ensure that 'what you see is what you get' requires developers to provide a drawn-to-scale project location plan and site plans. They must also give a unit floor plan and a breakdown of a unit's floor area by spaces such as bedrooms, balconies and bay windows.

    Other new requirements include getting the consent of home buyers before making changes such as adjustments to a unit's layout.

    A CapitaLand Residential Singapore spokesman said the firm has been adopting many of these best practices and does not anticipate major challenges in complying with the new rules.

    'We will work with our various project consultants to compile and present the required information in the clearest and most concise manner possible, whether in the form of text or diagrams, so as to help our home buyers make better informed decisions.

    'We believe this is a positive move that will enhance the attractiveness of the Singapore property market to both local and foreign home buyers, so we are fully supportive of it,' he added.

    One privately held developer, however, flagged the tight deadline as one of the key challenges in complying with the new regulations.

    'We have quite a number of projects that are affected and many of these projects are handled by the same consultants, so it means they have to work extra hard to meet the deadline,' it said.

    Another mainboard-listed developer, which declined to be named, noted that certain rules are not clearly defined, leaving some ambiguity as to what exactly they apply to.

    For instance, developers have to notify home buyers about 'substantive changes' to the common property in a project, but what constitutes 'substantive' is unclear. Positive improvements to the project could also possibly be held hostage by a single difficult buyer unless he chooses to forgo his purchase.

    Mr Lee Liat Yeang, a partner at Rodyk & Davidson's Real Estate Practice Group, noted that these rules are also applicable to executive condominiums and Design, Build and Sell Scheme projects.

    'Due to the special nature of such projects, developers and lawyers have spent extra time liaising with the regulatory authority HDB on the specific changes to be made to the option and sales and purchase agreement formats to be used for these projects.'

    Mr Lee added that industry players feel the preparation time given for the new rules to be implemented is too short, especially since they are also applicable to projects which have been partly sold before this Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    That's the standard Singaporean way of squeezing maximum profit out of assets ma... stay in cheapest and earn rental from the highest yield one...

    Ideally, since HDB is highest yield, they would love to stay in one HDB and rent out another HDB - but rule not allow.

    So they can only stay in HDB and buy MM (max they can afford). Although HDB is still highest yield to rent out, they cannot stay in the MM and rent out HDB as - rule not allow. Besides MM can't fit their whole family of 4/5.

    Therefore, exists the current situation. All caused by the typical HDB dwelling Singaporean middle class family with bit of extra money dunno where to spend.
    I thought nowadays can rent out HDB and stay PC if u meet the MOP requirements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanarazu
    I thought nowadays can rent out HDB and stay PC if u meet the MOP requirements?
    WITH APPROVAL.

    They can always choose to rescind the approval as and when necessary.

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    Frankly speaking, banning MMs is not inline with free market principles. Khaw is right to say that introducing anything to limit/ban developers building MMs give everybody impressions that he knows better, which is not true anyway. So, better leave everything to market forces then. Khaw just need to make sure that the developers show floorplan with detail dimensions and the rest is up to buyers. Quoting that MMs are mostly bought by those with HDB flats addresses and they are wrong don't make sense because this give people impression that they know better. In fact, I find many HDB flat address owners are very shrewd. Who knows, they may be right - there is indeed tremendous demand for MMs in OCRs!

    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    The atmosphere in recent times seem to be addressing HDB owners' purchase of PC and more acutely MM units because of their affordability. He may just ban HDB owners from buying MM units hence forth.

    Property price may not be sustainable in the near future if the next CM is introduced amid home price stabalizing.

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    Yes agree, the very old 3rm HDB flats only 7xx sqft, now they even build new 2rm HDB flats, didn't get the actual size but off-hand should be about 6xx sqft only or 5xx sqft only? So if they ban MMs less than say 600 sqft, it should also apply to HDB flats!

    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    AM I right to say, HDB is the biggest producer of MM?
    studio apartment, one /two bedroom or even 3 bedrooms?

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    No lah, I believe I know their mentality (from conversation with a few of them). They bought OCR MMs now preparing for retirement - First they rent out MMs, when they retire at 55-62 years old, only the couple will move to MMs since kids all grown up and then rent out the HDB as retirement source of income. Smart right?
    However, there is only 1 thing that could smash their plan - Govt policies. If govt ever implement anything against MMs that smash their retirement plan and dream, think they will not just loose 1 GRC only in next & subsequent elections (that is their threat!).

    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    That's the standard Singaporean way of squeezing maximum profit out of assets ma... stay in cheapest and earn rental from the highest yield one...

    Ideally, since HDB is highest yield, they would love to stay in one HDB and rent out another HDB - but rule not allow.

    So they can only stay in HDB and buy MM (max they can afford). Although HDB is still highest yield to rent out, they cannot stay in the MM and rent out HDB as - rule not allow. Besides MM can't fit their whole family of 4/5.

    Therefore, exists the current situation. All caused by the typical HDB dwelling Singaporean middle class family with bit of extra money dunno where to spend.

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    HDB no facilities, plus live among foreign workers (many 3rm HDB flats rented to big group of foreign workers all squeeze within 1 unit!) and the lowest rung group of people in Singapore? Not sure you ever visited those HDB flats where whole blocks consist of 3rm HDB flats, then you will understand how bad these places and environment are!

    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    They can rent a whole 3RM HDB for the same price.

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    D19 fast becoming the next D15

    KOVAN RESIDENCES KOVAN ROAD Condominium 1 1,250,000 883 Strata 1,416psf May-12
    KOVAN RESIDENCES KOVAN ROAD Condominium 1 1,280,000 883 Strata 1,450psf May-12

    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    » Developers rush to meet marketing rules deadline
    CM can be targetted at either HDB or resale market so developers not involved or minimally involved...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    D19 fast becoming the next D15

    KOVAN RESIDENCES KOVAN ROAD Condominium 1 1,250,000 883 Strata 1,416psf May-12
    KOVAN RESIDENCES KOVAN ROAD Condominium 1 1,280,000 883 Strata 1,450psf May-12

    This is not pricey considering its landed enclave and right next to mrt, few stops to Orchard belt

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    CM can be targetted at either HDB or resale market so developers not involved or minimally involved...
    You really wish for CM meh... Actually since I already made all my moves I also wish for it to PUNISH the stupid buyers leh.... Make them pain deep deep

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    This is not pricey considering its landed enclave and right next to mrt, few stops to Orchard belt
    Even higher than Waterbank@Dakota
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    Even higher than Waterbank@Dakota
    Hello. Waterbank surrounded by hdb. Plus how many stops to DG....??? No fight totally. It also proves one point - MM is able to bring up and offer added boost to the value of even the large units in the area, including older developments. To owners, they are a godsend. Just look at where D15 is at today after proliferation of MM. I hereby proclaim new term MICKEYMAGIC!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    You really wish for CM meh... Actually since I already made all my moves I also wish for it to PUNISH the stupid buyers leh.... Make them pain deep deep
    Think I'm what you consider stupid coz I'm actually hoping to buy! Lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    Hello. Waterbank surrounded by hdb. Plus how many stops to DG....??? No fight totally.
    I am really amused, Dakota is only a few stops to DG and closer to Suntec/Marina Bay ... guess D14 is now inferior to D19 due to the WT effect

    And why 8@W 2br only 1000psf compared to Kovan? Same NEL but closer to DG woh?
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    Think I'm what you consider stupid coz I'm actually hoping to buy! Lol!
    Hmmm woops

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    I am really amused, Dakota is only a few stops to DG and closer to Suntec/Marina Bay ... guess D14 is now inferior to D19 due to the WT effect

    And why 8@W 2br only 1000psf compared to Kovan? Same NEL but closer to DG woh?
    8@W got no amenities like KR. Plus it hasn't TOP. Once TOP then see how the market respond to this project...

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    I am really amused, Dakota is only a few stops to DG and closer to Suntec/Marina Bay ... guess D14 is now inferior to D19 due to the WT effect

    And why 8@W 2br only 1000psf compared to Kovan? Same NEL but closer to DG woh?
    Dakota indeed closer to City. Depends where you frequent lor. Whether for work or leisure. 8W - sure or not. Not a fishing ad? Lodged caveat? Fire sale?

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    D19 has been commanding much respect in the housing market in recent years though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    D19 has been commanding much respect in the housing market in recent years though...
    Landed and NEX effect....

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    This is not pricey considering its landed enclave and right next to mrt, few stops to Orchard belt
    $1400psf is quite high for Hougang leh... but if compare against Sky Habitat, it's not la

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    More juicy stats, last 2yr, 50sqm purchase by purchaser address and districts


    Obviously KBW does not have stats on the family nucleus size of these HDB buyers and cross check with their MM purchase but assuming most HDB owners are couples with kid[s] a 50sqm unit is obviously for investment

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver023
    $1400psf is quite high for Hougang leh... but if compare against Sky Habitat, it's not la
    Kovan and Hougang different ok. Kovan Residence not under Opp....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrax
    More juicy stats, last 2yr, 50sqm purchase by purchaser address and districts


    Obviously KBW does not have stats on the family nucleus size of these HDB buyers and cross check with their MM purchase but assuming most HDB owners are couples with kid[s] a 50sqm unit is obviously for investment
    What happened in D25? What project is that

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    Oh PRW....
    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    What happened in D25? What project is that

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    Kovan and Hougang different ok. Kovan Residence not under Opp....
    Kovan Residences under Aljunied GRC...Opp

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    Looks like overall, HDB buyers are still a minority lah, other than D12, D14, D15, D19 - the usual "eastern" suspects with the bulk of MMs, so obviosly the HDB buyers are active there. But I think stats a bit skewed becos some districts have few transactions (<100) that are MM.

    Quote Originally Posted by dtrax
    More juicy stats, last 2yr, 50sqm purchase by purchaser address and districts


    Obviously KBW does not have stats on the family nucleus size of these HDB buyers and cross check with their MM purchase but assuming most HDB owners are couples with kid[s] a 50sqm unit is obviously for investment

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtrax
    More juicy stats, last 2yr, 50sqm purchase by purchaser address and districts


    Obviously KBW does not have stats on the family nucleus size of these HDB buyers and cross check with their MM purchase but assuming most HDB owners are couples with kid[s] a 50sqm unit is obviously for investment
    Thanks for sharing, brother dtrax. We need unselfish brothers like you here in the Lion City ")

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    Quote Originally Posted by fclim
    Kovan Residences under Aljunied GRC...Opp
    Haha thanks bro I still stuck in yesteryear...

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