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Thread: A few CCR transactions sold at a loss (reported in The Edge)

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    This is what they do in China!

    SHANGHAI: Chinese couples are flocking to divorce to evade a new tax on home sales after the government cracked down on property speculation, the Shanghai Daily newspaper reported Wednesday.

    China's central government last Friday issued rules to rein in house prices, including a nationwide capital gains tax of 20 percent on profits owners make from selling residential property.


    But a loophole allows couples with two properties who divorce and put each house into one person's name to then sell them tax-free under certain conditions, after which they can remarry, the state-backed newspaper said.


    Government marriage registration offices -- which also handle divorces -- in China's commercial hub of Shanghai were swamped by scores of couples this week trying to untie the knot, including at least one pregnant woman, the paper said.


    "She told me she came here to avoid the possible loss in a property transaction, and I could say nothing," it quoted a harried official saying at the registry in the city's Yangpu district, which saw divorces double.


    "I told all of them to come here again for remarriage registration," he told the newspaper.


    An exemption for the tax -- which was previously only an option available to local governments, many of which did not impose it -- is available for vendors who are selling their main home and have owned it for more than five years.


    Shanghai's civil affairs bureau confirmed the planned tax had triggered a rise in the number of divorces, but declined to give a total for cases across the city, the newspaper said.


    An official cautioned wives to beware, however, warning that some unfaithful men might actually want a permanent divorce.


    "Some men might trick their wives into getting a divorce using the tax as an excuse. But they might have a mistress and truly want a divorce," He Zhanbiao of the Shanghai Civil Affairs Bureau told the newspaper.


    Three years ago another set of rules introduced to control the property market, including limits on buying second homes, also sparked a trend of snap divorces so that both members of a couple could own a property.


    -AFP/fl


    Quote Originally Posted by sunny88
    I would also like to know the legal costs. Can PM me?

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    Botanika:

    Bought May 2007 for $2498psf, sold Feb 2013 for $1612psf. 2605 sq ft, i.e. lost $2.03m!!

    I would have bought this unit man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by starrynight
    Botanika:

    Bought May 2007 for $2498psf, sold Feb 2013 for $1612psf. 2605 sq ft, i.e. lost $2.03m!!

    I would have bought this unit man!
    how is that possible? times are go bad meh?
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    thanks for updating, bro. i'm too busy today hahaha. no time to go URA website at all!

    see lah, these are the kind of deals which won't reach us one lor.

    Quote Originally Posted by starrynight
    Botanika:

    Bought May 2007 for $2498psf, sold Feb 2013 for $1612psf. 2605 sq ft, i.e. lost $2.03m!!

    I would have bought this unit man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    thanks for updating, bro. i'm too busy today hahaha. no time to go URA website at all!

    see lah, these are the kind of deals which won't reach us one lor.
    This looks a little dodgy to me. I suspect it could be an arranged deal. perhaps to lower the quantum to meet the LTV or to minimizing ABSD.

    Maybe inter family decoupling deal or something
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    if they can afford to buy the unit at that original price, would they sell it at a loss? this is a sale to own people. the "loss" is actually a gift to own people.

    Quote Originally Posted by starrynight
    Botanika:

    Bought May 2007 for $2498psf, sold Feb 2013 for $1612psf. 2605 sq ft, i.e. lost $2.03m!!

    I would have bought this unit man!

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    please lah, its entirely possible. esp. those who set records. 2498psf was bought at the height of 2007 and is the RECORD PSF for the project. i noticed a lot of pple who pay record psf all leveraged to buy during the hype of 2007 peak and all buay tahan liao now.

    i personally know of pple who stretched to buy $5m apartments during the peak and sold for > 20% loss subsequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    thanks for updating, bro. i'm too busy today hahaha. no time to go URA website at all!

    see lah, these are the kind of deals which won't reach us one lor.
    Yup, that's why must move up the chain to be a part-time ppty agent so that I am 1 step closer to the source of the fire sales

    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    This looks a little dodgy to me. I suspect it could be an arranged deal. perhaps to lower the quantum to meet the LTV or to minimizing ABSD.

    Maybe inter family decoupling deal or something
    That was my initial reaction too. But there really are desperate sellers from time to time.

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    Mkt has really slowed down. D9 and 10 together only 4 pptys lodged on the URA caveat website today.

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    vol has dried up!


    Quote Originally Posted by starrynight
    Mkt has really slowed down. D9 and 10 together only 4 pptys lodged on the URA caveat website today.

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    D1 no caveats since Jan 2013!

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    D2 no RESALE or SUBSALE caveats since Jan 2013!

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    D4 only a total of 6 transactions dated Feb and Mar!

    and there is one loss:

    Reflections at Keppel Bay 1701 SQ FT:

    BOUGHT: 2007-05-18 1987PSF
    SOLD: 2013-02-18 1970PSF

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    Default Leonie Parc View

    barely made money:

    2013 sq ft

    BOUGHT 2009-08-02 2300PSF
    SOLD 2013-02-25 2409PSF

    4.7% price difference.

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    Default the ritz-carlton residences

    3057 sq ft

    BOUGHT 3762PSF 2010-03-09
    SOLD 3533PSF 2013-03-06

    ABSOLUTE LOSS 700K
    ADD STAMP DUTY TO GAHMEN 319K
    MINIMUM 1% AGENT FEE 108K
    TOTAL LOSS 1.13M

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    Default Reflections

    807 sq ft
    bought 2009-10-05 2070psf
    sold 2013-03-07 1999psf

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    these folks should be well-heeled individuals to even buy such an address, why would they sell at a loss when they can rent out to get regular income since after all they won't be getting any money back when they sell n incur losses?

    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    3057 sq ft

    BOUGHT 3762PSF 2010-03-09
    SOLD 3533PSF 2013-03-06

    ABSOLUTE LOSS 700K
    ADD STAMP DUTY TO GAHMEN 319K
    MINIMUM 1% AGENT FEE 108K
    TOTAL LOSS 1.13M

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    even they know when to re-allocate funds rite?

    they could have bought other units in 2011 which are subjected to SSD and can't sell so have to sell something which they bought before that?

    and........its not that easy to rent out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Regulators
    these folks should be well-heeled individuals to even buy such an address, why would they sell at a loss when they can rent out to get regular income since after all they won't be getting any money back when they sell n incur losses?

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    that means the guy hasnt really arrived yet
    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    even they know when to re-allocate funds rite?

    they could have bought other units in 2011 which are subjected to SSD and can't sell so have to sell something which they bought before that?

    and........its not that easy to rent out.

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    haha, yeah, there are lots of pple who have not arrived but bought CCR at the peak in 2007.

    Quote Originally Posted by Regulators
    that means the guy hasnt really arrived yet

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    So has ppl arrived to buy suburban at the peak now?

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    suburban, dun need to arrive also can buy mah? i thought everyone said its "affordable"?

    Quote Originally Posted by newbie11
    So has ppl arrived to buy suburban at the peak now?

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    Someone I know has a unit 4 bedded in Cosmo, next to great world city, vacant for 5 months coming... Still not leased out. The bigger apts are finding hard to get tenant, maybe budget cut for such tenants... All down graded to $5k and below...

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    Default RITZ-CARLTON RESIDENCES 3,057 sqft

    Sold 2013-03-06 3,533psf
    2010-03-09 3,762psf

    Loss : -$700,053
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    We can argue that some rich(or not there yet) are lacking holding power OR they decide to cut lost and move funds to alternative investment vehicle due to all the CMs. 15% absd on foreigners is no joke.

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    i agree. the can be selling for various reasons. whatever it is, they are willing to take some losses. and willing to sell with no intention of buying back (obviously!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosy
    We can argue that some rich(or not there yet) are lacking holding power OR they decide to cut lost and move funds to alternative investment vehicle due to all the CMs. 15% absd on foreigners is no joke.

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    Detached house, Sentosa Cove 13,433sqft

    Bought 2012-12-20 1,973psf
    Sold 2013-03-06 2,084psf
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    Big budget rentals aren't happening until income goes up much more from where we are now.

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    Pain pain!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    Detached house, Sentosa Cove 13,433sqft

    Bought 2012-12-20 1,973psf
    Sold 2013-03-06 2,084psf

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    At least they broke even.

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