oh, i m stand on the same side.... wondering y so many rich pple "CAN"Originally Posted by DC33_2008
i am not offended, but wonder y the word carrot head is used so liberally in alot of threads
Junior
oh, i m stand on the same side.... wondering y so many rich pple "CAN"
i am not offended, but wonder y the word carrot head is used so liberally in alot of threads
Junior
So people who buy Rolex, BMW 3 series and LV = discerning? Interesting insight as these are fairly "mass market" brands for the middle class. The truly discerning don't need a big logo to prove their worth.
A person can wear a bag with big LV logo or BMW 3 series or Rolex whatever to prove "they can". It doesn't mean others cannot have a view whether this person has good taste or judgement. I've seen people who wear head to toe plastered with LV logo and rolex bling and still look more tacky and discerning. And that's not even because I'm jealous. Who can't afford a few LV bags or rolex? Money can't buy taste. Just because buy "famous architect" building like d'Leedon or Sky Habitat doesn't mean "discerning" or good taste or judgement. So if someone comment buy Sky Habitat at 1700psf is carrothead and bad judgement. So be it. Everyone is entitled to their views.
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Maybe resident on the 30 something floor will be looking down literally to those HDB block and "laughing" at them. If they had been more successful then they'll be here at the Open Terrace rather than the over-priced but still HDB, HDB
Everything is relative.
someone who lived in high end condo once said to me, the quality of people here is different.
typically the quality of EC, vs MM vs high end MM and Luxury can vary leaps and bound.
Of course the end of the scale is your typical HDB with urine in the lift where town council needs to install sensor and camera, flyers and litters all over the floor at letter box area type.
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Sky Habitat though expensive, it also means people who don't have the means will not and never be there.
Last edited by lufu; 14-04-12 at 23:12.
Junior
Both are 99 years pigeon hole lah. No wonder HDB upgraders like to buy condos surrounded by HDB flats... can look down on others... imagine surrounded by all private property, no one to look down upon....
Sky Habitat key selling point should be - surrounded by HDB flat and can haolian.
Talk so much. Anyone knows sell how many units?
Maybe resident on the 30 something floor will be looking down literally to those HDB block and "laughing" at them. If they had been more successful then they'll be here at the Open Terrace rather than the over-priced but still HDB, HDB
Everything is relative.
Junior
well if u read the message between the lines, you wont try to find bones in the egg. u probably need to improve your listening skills or reading skills. Well u cant fault me cause i m entitled to my views,so be it right?
when someone pays a premium for something, there is only 1 reason, because they can. Period. Nothing to do with value, taste, judgement or any traits along that line. Those things cannot be quantified and are subjective so no point arguing about it right?
the question is to bro DC33 y he thinks pple staying at HDB will laugh at SH just because they paid a premium to stay there. pay more = carrot? n i say in life there will be pple whom will always pay a premium.
sorry if i offended you, it just my opinion.
Newbie
You got the point.
The highest end in Bishan can howlian to the whole of Bishan (in fact the whole of OCR) they're the most high class and even to an extend some CCR.
e.g. Paying $3Mil for a unit at the Reflections Keppel, you are only one of those units, there are many others over $10 mil.
In theory at least, that what Capitaland wants the potential buyer to believe. That's how they were marketed. Highest psf in any heartlander
According to the agent over 80 units sold.
Junior
It's also my opinion that a forum is meant to share views and critique. Or else what's the point? So if someone thinks Sky Habitat is overvalued and people who bought it are carrothead, so be it. Or else what is there to share? Of course people who buy anything because "they can" right? But it doesn't mean others cannot comment whether it is a good or bad purchase. That's the main purpose of the forum = to share opinions - both positive and negative.
Of course recently as the market appears to be reaching the peak, there are always more bad opinions and good opinions in this forum. And many of us are no longer in "buying mode" - in short we are sharing views based on our honest views that market could be very near the peak. Of course we could be wrong but part of the fun is being wrong and learning from the process.
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No wonder dleedon (btw what a silly name) cannot sell. Condo dwellers want to haolian to those landed around Leedon and Gallop? Suicide.
Newbie
No wonder dleedon (btw what a silly name) cannot sell. Condo dwellers want to haolian to those landed around Leedon and Gallop? Suicide.
the power of marketing and perception. A very powerful tool when harness correctly.
that's the reason for Capitaland building all the hype and announcing the highest psf for any heartland area. never mind that many people will criticise. In fact the more the merrier.
Ultimately the more expensive people feel about this development and talk about it, the better it is for them.
They only need to make the 500 odd people happy. (500 over units at Sky Habitat) These are the ones who will buy it and the rest will wow and many say crazy but it makes the buyer feel they achieve the "status" of rich and successful among others. (heartlanders and OCR)
Peers, friends and the rest of heartlanders of these (500 over buyers) will have a perception of them (the buyer) being rich/successful as they're able to pay so much for a designer condo.
my 2 cents worth of analysis based on how Capitaland marketed this project.
Last edited by lufu; 14-04-12 at 23:37.
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Agree that both positive and negative comments should be shared freely in a forum. That's the purpose of the forum (besides being a place where one can learn from each other).
But I personally feel that if one is to critique another person(s), there is no need to belittle that person. Unfortunately, some of the postings have ended up that way in this forum.
Still I enjoy the sharing (of advice, ideas and lessons) that I find in this forum.
Newbie
cool down folks. we share and learn from each other. that's the point.
I posted my view of Sky Habitat but someone could tell me I'm an idiot but please also help me to understand why am I silly and I would accept it.
Newbie
Just wish to share my personal 2 cents view of staying in Bishan.
I feel that the price here be it the HDB or Condo worth its value.
I like the location as its the centre of sg and can excess easliy to rest of sg by roads.
For my family, they can go out and return via 2 mrt lines or buses easliy too. Specially for my children. The time and energy save can be better put for their hobbies and studies.
Not to mention on the top schools here.
Environment and populations is very serene and civilise as compare to many other estate. I have a condo rented out and staying in the hdb. I never encounter urine in lift for the hdb here. Neighbour is friendly and nice.
Last but not least is the time We save on travelling and by saving that precious time, its equate more time to be together with my love and children.
Time and convenience is what i think paying a few hundred k more for a location is worth every penny.
Hope I dun get flame, as this is seriously from the bottom of my heart.
Senior
Bishan 8 launch price in 1997 was 1100psf. 15 years later skyhabitat launch at 1700psf, taking into account 15 years of inflation, ok mah.
Senior
That's about 15%. Why are they having so much difficulty selling d'leedon?
Global recession is coming....
Because they are selling d'leedon with super-cheap quality materials! Imagine you are a car salesman and you trying to sell a KIA Picanto to somebody living in bungalows and luxury condos?
Bishan not so difficult because they are like (analogy) car salesman trying to sell a Kia Picanto to somebody living in mass market condos & HDB upgraders.... Still a good fit mah....
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I find it quite difficult to imagine that people who can plonk that kind of money hasn't notice the similarity of finishing as those with d'leedon.Because they are selling d'leedon with super-cheap quality materials! Imagine you are a car salesman and you trying to sell a KIA Picanto to somebody living in bungalows and luxury condos?
Bishan not so difficult because they are like (analogy) car salesman trying to sell a Kia Picanto to somebody living in mass market condos & HDB upgraders.... Still a good fit mah....
Newbie
Agree with that and future more its an architectural art piece.Bishan 8 launch price in 1997 was 1100psf. 15 years later skyhabitat launch at 1700psf, taking into account 15 years of inflation, ok mah.
Frankly, everytime i drove past the MBS, I would not fail to look up to that giantic ship lookalike. ever since its complete, sg on the world map never look the same again.
Banned
Agree with that and future more its an architectural art piece.
Frankly, everytime i drove past the MBS, I would not fail to look up to that giantic ship lookalike. ever since its complete, sg on the world map never look the same again.
I have the same feeling when I drive pass Pinnacle too..
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You mention about time but AMK/Braddel is like 3-5 minutes away by MRT. How much time and convenience is that? In terms of convenience, there isn't really much difference between Bishan vs AMK/TPY. TPY is probably closer to Orchard than Bishan.Just wish to share my personal 2 cents view of staying in Bishan.
I feel that the price here be it the HDB or Condo worth its value.
I like the location as its the centre of sg and can excess easliy to rest of sg by roads.
For my family, they can go out and return via 2 mrt lines or buses easliy too. Specially for my children. The time and energy save can be better put for their hobbies and studies.
Not to mention on the top schools here.
Environment and populations is very serene and civilise as compare to many other estate. I have a condo rented out and staying in the hdb. I never encounter urine in lift for the hdb here. Neighbour is friendly and nice.
Last but not least is the time We save on travelling and by saving that precious time, its equate more time to be together with my love and children.
Time and convenience is what i think paying a few hundred k more for a location is worth every penny.
Hope I dun get flame, as this is seriously from the bottom of my heart.
Since they widened the CTE, now bishan, TPY, AMK all get stuck in the CTE jam as the bottleneck has shifted south to balestier/bukit timah.
In fact, I find Bishan access to CTE worse than AMK which has 4 entrances to CTE. The ease of entering CTE from AMK probably more than make up in terms of time for the slighting longer stretch of CTE you have to travel.
Newbie
you actually TRUST a housing AGENT??!!!
Newbie
Use to stay at Amk when young. Personally i Prefer Bishan than amk.
Try going to amk hub during a holiday eve or the weekend. Bishan to CTE is all along fine with me but maybe i dun go office at peak hours.
Personally like jogging. pre breakfast job at macrichee, bishan park and park connector to kallang is refreshing
The population there is also bigger. Well i can access by lornie to orchard via holland exit. or via bartley to the east. Its amazingly fast. Toa Payoh is nice too but still prefer the resident at Bishan.
Last edited by movement_art; 15-04-12 at 02:07.
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MacRitchie Reservoir, newly revamped bishan park, pierce reservoir
And could access city via Lornie Road and the new North South Expressway too
Global recession is coming....
These groups of people can't tell the quality mah. To them, they are buying into 'CCR' like condo in bishan have already made them proud of it. They probably have not visited the d'leedon show house to do the comparison. CCR prime, the name itself has already fighten them away! Like those who go for 'LV'. They just want LV n quality has never their concern. They assumed that LV is branded means good quality. They think hermes is too big brand for them. little do they know that LV can only last for a few yrs. Whereas people who go for Hermes bag are looking for quality. Hermes bag can last many decades. My wife has a 30yr+ Hermes bag n still in good usable condition n shape. All her Hermes bag with >10+ages still look like pretty new! So, D'leedon can't attract people who buy Hermes bag even though it is located in CCR. It also failed to attract people who buy LV.
Newbie
They're helping Thomson Grand to sell.
The show flat at Thomson Grand was rather crowded yesterday, considering the very few units left for a project that was already launched a while ago last year.
After looking at the finishing at Sky Habitat, I personally thinks the finishing at Thomson Grand is way better.
Newbie
Bro can post a photo of your wife 30+ yrs old hermes bag? Really like to see how good the condition.These groups of people can't tell the quality mah. To them, they are buying into 'CCR' like condo in bishan have already made them proud of it. They probably have not visited the d'leedon show house to do the comparison. CCR prime, the name itself has already fighten them away! Like those who go for 'LV'. They just want LV n quality has never their concern. They assumed that LV is branded means good quality. They think hermes is too big brand for them. little do they know that LV can only last for a few yrs. Whereas people who go for Hermes bag are looking for quality. Hermes bag can last many decades. My wife has a 30yr+ Hermes bag n still in good usable condition n shape. All her Hermes bag with >10+ages still look like pretty new! So, D'leedon can't attract people who buy Hermes bag even though it is located in CCR. It also failed to attract people who buy LV.
Newbie
to be fair to Capitaland, I have to say they're really good and started following the URA guideline even before it being drafted into the law.
They will tell you exactly how big the balcony is, the PES, air con ledge etc.
They also put up a few huge boards showing the complete price list.
Never have I seen this with any other developers except Far East.
For all other developers the pricing kept under the table, in Agent small little scrap book. Completely unprofessional.
Now it's "Sim Lim Square style". Price List displayed on a huge board for all to see and reference.
A good step forward
Banned
still the same lah..at the end of the day, they are still keeping their discount a secret.to be fair to Capitaland, I have to say they're really good and started following the URA guideline even before it being drafted into the law.
They will tell you exactly how big the balcony is, the PES, air con ledge etc.
They also put up a few huge boards showing the complete price list.
Never have I seen this with any other developers except Far East.
For all other developers the pricing kept under the table, in Agent small little scrap book. Completely unprofessional.
Now it's "Sim Lim Square style". Price List displayed on a huge board for all to see and reference.
A good step forward
Senior
cos it sounds better than "Co$K HEAD"....
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For those people who stay in Bishan ... they deserve to buy Sky Habitat for the atas feelThe 1+S is only 300k more than 2br @ Archipelago, what is 300k for a Bishan HDB upgrader ... HDB COV already 150k right
Ride at your own risk !!!
Senior
it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out...if capital land looses money or screws up WHO suffers...SHAREHOLDERS....so they can bid how high they want...where they want....ask walt disneyNo wonder dleedon (btw what a silly name) cannot sell. Condo dwellers want to haolian to those landed around Leedon and Gallop? Suicide.
...to design their next condo....end of day if it screws up....share price crash...company got into liquidation....uncle/aunty/university student....cry until no more tears...
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