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    Default Jurong To Transform From Industrial Zone To Lake District


    Jurong to transform from industrial zone to Lake District
    Jessica Cheam
    The Straits Times
    Saturday, 5 April 2008


    An impression of Jurong Lake District in the future. -- Photo: URA


    Lakeside, will provide attractions with an education element to attract families. -- Photo: URA

    Mention Jurong now and it conjures images of industrial land and sleepy suburban homes - but within the next decade, this district will get a stunning makeover that will transform it into Singapore's only lakeside destination to live, play and work.
    The blueprint for Jurong - to be re-branded Jurong Lake District - was unveiled by National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan on Friday at the Urban Redevelopment Authority's (URA) annual seminar for industry players.

    The ambitious plan, to be developed over the next 10 to 15 years, involves enlarging waterways, building 1,000 new private homes, 2,800 hotel rooms and adding 500,000 sq m of office space. New tourist attractions, public parks and water activities will also add sparkle to the rejuvenated town.

    Jurong Lake District will consist of two complementary precincts - Jurong Gateway and Lakeside - around the Jurong East MRT Station and Jurong Lake in the west region of Singapore.

    New homes, offices and retail space will sprout around the Jurong East MRT Station, to be known as Jurong Gateway, making it an attractive commercial hub serving the west region, outside the city centre.

    Next to it, a unique leisure destination, Lakeside, will provide attractions with an education element to attract families.

    Located around the Jurong East MRT Station, the new plans for the 70 ha Jurong Gateway is to develop it into a vibrant commercial hub with a good mix of office, retail, residential, hotel, entertainment, food & beverage and other complementary uses.

    It will be the biggest commercial hub outside the city centre. New waterways and pedestrian linkages will provide seamless connections between the two precincts.

    An integrated network of pedestrian walkways between buildings and public facilities will also be created. New landscaped open spaces and park connectors at the street-level and skyrise greenery in buildings will add to the already lush and scenic areas.

    Speaking to a 500-strong audience, Mr Mah said Jurong East is perceived by many Singaporeans as a suburban residential and industrial area 'located far away from the citiy centre'. 'However, Jurong is a gem that has yet to be uncovered and refined,' he said.

    URA's chief executive Mrs Cheong Koon Hean added: 'Jurong Gateway and Lakeside are precious gems which offer exciting opportunities for the development of leisure attractions and the biggest commercial hub outside the city centre.'

    'To realise this vision, the planners have developed strategies that capitalise on the wonderful assets these areas have. These include building upon the strategic location of Jurong Gateway which is well served by road and rail, and in the midst of a large population and customer catchment.

    'The lake and its greenery are also unique features which can be enhanced. We would like to bring about a transformed image for this area. The Jurong Lake District will become a much sought after lakeside destination for business and leisure.'

    The total potential area for development is 360 ha, close to the size of Marina Bay. The existing Chinese and Japanese Gardens will have added new facilities and activities to make them more attractive for both residents and tourists.

    URA said all the attractions around the Jurong Lake will be developed with 'a sensitive approach to the surrounding environment and natural greenery'.


    Site Plan Of Jurong Lake District


    Jurong Lake DIstrict In The Future

    Blueprint for Jurong Lake District unveiled
    Jurong Gateway: Biggest commercial hub outside the city




    Located around the Jurong East MRT Station, the new plans for the 70 ha Jurong Gateway is to develop it into a vibrant commercial hub with a good mix of office, retail, residential, hotel, entertainment, food & beverage and other complementary uses. It will be the biggest commercial hub outside the city centre.

    Jurong Gateway is one of the three regional centres identified under the Concept Plan 1991, as part of a decentralisation strategy to sustain Singapore's growth. While Marina Bay and the city remain as the main commercial centres, new commercial hubs like Jurong Gateway will also be developed outside the city centre to provide more choices of attractive business locations and bring jobs closer to homes. The other two regional centres are Tampines and Woodlands.

    Jurong Gateway offers a highly attractive location outside the Central Business District for company headquarters, business services as well as companies in the science and technology sectors. Companies that set up their offices at Jurong Gateway will be able to:
    - gain ready access to a large labour and customer pool from more than one million residents in the surrounding towns of Clementi, Bukit Batok, Jurong East and Jurong West.

    - enjoy the close proximity to a substantial cluster of multinational and global businesses of more than 3,000 companies around the International Business Park and the Jurong and Tuas Industrial Estates.

    - tap on a large talent pool from the many surrounding tertiary institutions and research hubs like the Nanyang Technological University, National University of Singapore, One-North and the Science Park 11 Jurong Gateway is already a major transport hub.

    The Jurong East MRT station is the interchange station for the East-West and North-South MRT lines. It is well served by three MRT stations and a bus interchange. Jurong Gateway is also well connected to the rest of the island by two major expressways. It is only about 20 minutes away from the city centre by car or train and just 15 minutes to the Second Link.

    More new spaces to come

    With more than 50 ha of vacant land available for development, Jurong Gateway will provide about 750,000 sq m of commercial space, more than two and a half times the size of Tampines Regional Centre today.

    The 750,000 sq m of commercial space consist of:
    - 500,000 sq m of office space and

    - 250,000 sq m of retail, food & beverage and entertainment space.

    About 2,800 hotel rooms will also be introduced at the fringe of Jurong Gateway, next to Lakeside, to meet the increasing demand for hotel rooms and to cater to the new leisure attractions and businesses that will be introduced around Jurong Lake and Jurong Gateway.

    In addition to the commercial space, at least 1,000 new homes will be added around the Jurong East MRT station, providing more opportunities to live and work in the area.

    Seamless connections, more greenery

    Singaporeans and visitors can look forward to seamless connections and more greenery at Jurong Gateway.

    From Jurong East MRT station, pedestrians can walk conveniently and comfortably to most developments and public facilities around the area through an extensive network of walkways. They can also stroll to attractions at Jurong Lake area through a new pedestrian walkway.

    There will be an experience of lush greenery with new landscaped open spaces and park connectors introduced at the street-level. Skyrise and rooftop greenery will also be encouraged on many of the buildings in the area.

    Key buildings will have scenic views of the lake. For example, buildings around the Jurong East MRT station will step down towards the lake, allowing most developments to have panoramic views of the lake.

    Lakeside: New waterfront playground

    Jurong Lake and the area around it, known as Lakeside, is the other area in the Jurong Lake District. Spread over 220 ha of land and 70 ha of water, Lakeside is envisaged to be developed into a major leisure destination for Singaporeans and tourists.

    The attractions at Jurong Lake will be differentiated from others located in Marina Bay, Southern Waterfront and Mandai.

    Singaporeans can look forward to enjoy greater access to the lake with additional green spaces and new attractions around the lake for the whole family.

    Bringing the lake closer

    There will be greater access to the lake from Jurong Gateway. One idea is to create new waterways to bring the experience of the lake closer to the main commercial hub. Another idea is to create a landscaped walkway from Jurong Gateway to the Lakeside.

    New green spaces, better access to the lake

    A new public park will be developed at the western edge of Jurong Lake, next to Lakeside MRT station. The waterfront promenade along Jurong Lake will be enhanced as well, making it easier and more pleasant for residents and visitors to enjoy breathtaking views of the lake.

    New water activities like kayaking and dragon-boating will be introduced in the lake by the end of 2008 as part of Public Utilities Board (PUB)'s Active Beautiful Clean programme. PUB will also be implementing more public amenities such as boardwalks, fishing points, wetlands and water features at selected stretches of the lake by the end of 2009 to allow people to enjoy more of the lake.

    New attractions around the lake

    Land is available for four to five attractions around the lake catering to families with young children. Possible attractions could be those with edutainment theme or nature-based attractions leveraging on the lake, or attractions with hotels, food & beverage and retail uses.

    They will complement the attractions that are already in Jurong, for example, the Jurong Bird Park, Science Centre and Singapore Discovery Centre. Blending in with the garden and lake settings, these new attractions will offer fresh recreational opportunities around the lake.

    The first anchor attraction is the new world class Science Centre. It will be moved next to the Chinese Garden MRT station. The new Science Centre will not only be bigger and more accessible, the new location also provides exciting opportunities to extend the learning experiences beyond the centre to the lake and surrounding green spaces.

    A new lakeside village will be created next to the Jurong Lake. Just 10 minutes walking distance away from Jurong Gateway, the village offers an alternative shopping and dining experience, with food & beverage, retail and entertainment uses and boutique hotels by the lakeside.

    This village will be connected to Jurong Gateway through a network of walkways, making it a natural gathering place for residents, visitors and people working nearby.

  2. #62
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    Default Re: Lakeshore (D22, 99-year Leasehold, by Far East Organization)

    Quote Originally Posted by mr funny
    April 5, 2008

    HOUSING

    Over 1,000 private homes to be built


    TARGETING YOUNG FAMILIES: View of Lakeside park. New private housing will be coming up close to the area.

    PROPERTY hunters looking to buy a stake in the newly revamped Jurong Lake District will be happy that more than 1,000 private homes will be built there.

    But no more new Housing Board flats are planned for Jurong, said National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan yesterday.

    This is also partly because the focus is on building up Sengkang and Punggol towns, said Mr Mah.

    'There is sufficient public housing in Jurong so the next phase will be... on private housing,' he added.

    However, if demand is strong for the private homes, more land can be re-allocated for condominiums.

    That is why the sites around the MRT stations are mostly white sites, said Mr Mah.

    'But all this ultimately has got to depend on the market and how it responds, whether the emphasis is more on office or housing.'

    The Urban Redevelopment Authority said yesterday that the residential buildings at Jurong Gateway are likely to be 35 storeys at most, and building heights will gradually step down towards the lake to enable good views.

    Colliers International's director of research and consultancy, Ms Tay Huey Ying, said it was timely for the Government to make early plans to accommodate and tap on any spillover in demand from the Central Business District.

    This could occur from the office, hotel and residential sectors when mega projects, such as the two integrated resorts and Marina Bay Financial Centre, are completed and up and running, she said.
    Wah more suppy. Prices surely falling.!!!!!

  3. #63
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    Default Re: Lakeshore (D22, 99-year Leasehold, by Far East Organization)

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Wah more suppy. Prices surely falling.!!!!!
    TRUE MUCH MORE SUPPLY THAN EXPECTED. CAN LOOK FORWARD TO A DOWNSIDE OF 30% ATLEAST.

  4. #64
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    How can price fall when the government just announced 'up grading' of the area and even named it a new district . Even with a additional of a thousand of private apartments coming up it will only push up the value of the whole estate. Be optimistic the future is bright for the NEW Jurong Lake District!

  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    How can price fall when the government just announced 'up grading' of the area and even named it a new district . Even with a additional of a thousand of private apartments coming up it will only push up the value of the whole estate. Be optimistic the future is bright for the NEW Jurong Lake District!

    I think 1000 new apartments is not sufficient when the business hub & leisure facilities are in place. Think about it . Onlly 3 projects of 335 units each over 10-15 years. IMHO this is insufficient. Remember Jurong hub will be the biggest regional hub outside the CBD. Just compare the number of private apartments in Tampinese & surrounding areas like Simei with that of Jurong. There are certainly not enough condos in Jurong to complement a hub 2.5 times the size of Tampinese.

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    Default Re: Lakeshore (D22, 99-year Leasehold, by Far East Organization)

    Does that 1000 extra include the 600+ that will be building next to Lakeholmz? I agree even if it's additional 1000 it will not be enough. Government said no more HDB will be built in Jurong, so there will be both upgraders and new families vying for that meagre 1000 more private housing. I think government is being prudent not to commit too many and let the market forces determine. Government will concentrate in building the infrastructure and mapping out the land usage for the longer term.

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    Default New Master Plan Expected To See Selective Changes


    New Master Plan expected to see selective changes
    Key sectors seen benefiting include hotels, aerospace, healthcare, transport

    Kalpana Rashiwala
    The Business Times
    Tuesday, 6 May 2008

    Urban Redevelopment Authority's Master Plan 2008 - which will be exhibited soon - will see changes in land use and increases in plot ratios, but these will be selective and focused on growth areas, rather than a widespread upgrade in densities, DBS Vickers Securities said in a report dated yesterday.

    The strategic initiatives from the Master Plan will filter down to improved growth fundamentals for various economic sectors. While the property sector will be a key and obvious beneficiary, also standing to benefit from the strategic outline are the hotels, aerospace, healthcare, transport and construction sectors, the report said.

    More land will be provided for development of the aerospace industry and the establishment of a designated hub near Seletar Airport will continue to provide strong fundamentals for the sector's continued growth. For the healthcare sector, DBS Vickers sees a medical hub developing around the Novena area and 'we could see rezoning of land parcels in this area to facilitate the development of this medical hub'.

    It also suggests plot ratio increases in some mature HDB estates, as part of the rejuvenation plan. With Jurong and Paya Lebar earmarked as new business hubs outside the CBD, 'we are likely to see a concentration of Government Land Sale projects in these two areas in the medium term'.

    Noting that the authorities have revealed plans for new residential enclaves such as the area around Marina South Gardens and Kallang Basin, it said, 'we expect rezoning and plot ratio adjustments in these areas'.

    'We expect much of the key significant land use and plot ratio changes to be concentrated in certain strategic areas - Seletar (aerospace industrial use), Jurong (new regional centre), Paya Lebar (commercial hub near city fringe), Marina Bay (white sites and residential), Novena (medical and healthcare), Kallang Basin (residential) and Ophir-Rochor (mixed development).'

    The report added: 'With the phased opening of the Circle Line from 2009 onwards, we also expect to see an increase in plot ratios for undeveloped state land sites that are close to Circle Line MRT stations, and in particular those that intersect with existing MRT stations.'

    'With interchange stations planned at Paya Lebar, Serangoon, Bishan, Buona Vista, Harbourfront and Dhoby Ghaut, we believe that the highest potential for plot ratio changes could come at the Paya Lebar and Serangoon stations, given that the area around the remaining interchange stations are already relatively built up,' DBS Vickers said.


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    borat Guest

    Default Re: New Master Plan Expected To See Selective Changes

    may i know in future who will stay at these 1000+++ odd hotel and private rooms? immigrants from kazakhstan?

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    Just heard an angmoh resident in condo engaged in a heated arguement with Lawrence Chen ( former Parc Oasis condo mage but transfered after several complaints of harassing residents )who is now at Ulu Pandan condo. Angmo very angry when Lawless Chen demanded his marriage cert to prove his wife 's car indeed belonged to them. Angmo "Fcuk" Lawrence for making such insensitive demands , his wife is Filipina but Lawrence thinks he has the power to refuse him a carpark label . Since this is a renewal of carpark label angmo was fuming mad , he askes Lawrence whether he wants to know how many times he "Fcuk" his wife a day too? Lawrence like an idiot kept smiling and pretended to be cool , making angmo angrier. This son of a bitch has been harassing residents in Parc Oasis before he was transfered here after many complaints , now he starts his nonsense again, it wont be long before news will report he is being smashed on his face. He thinks he owns the condo , an old fool trying to act like Chief Justice in a condo , often clamping cars of residents' friends and relatives during their visits . Own condo but harassed by manager ? Management committee buat bodoh , maybe next AGm then action can be taken. Amgmo shouted at Lawrence that he even got the cheek to coerce contractors working in the condo to buy wines from his wine shop located at Newton which he wants to report him for corruption. Shocking that there are such managing agents providing hooligans to work in condo making life miserable for residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PARC OASIS
    Just heard an angmoh resident in condo engaged in a heated arguement with Lawrence Chen ( former Parc Oasis condo mage but transfered after several complaints of harassing residents )who is now at Ulu Pandan condo. Angmo very angry when Lawless Chen demanded his marriage cert to prove his wife 's car indeed belonged to them. Angmo "Fcuk" Lawrence for making such insensitive demands , his wife is Filipina but Lawrence thinks he has the power to refuse him a carpark label . Since this is a renewal of carpark label angmo was fuming mad , he askes Lawrence whether he wants to know how many times he "Fcuk" his wife a day too? Lawrence like an idiot kept smiling and pretended to be cool , making angmo angrier. This son of a bitch has been harassing residents in Parc Oasis before he was transfered here after many complaints , now he starts his nonsense again, it wont be long before news will report he is being smashed on his face. He thinks he owns the condo , an old fool trying to act like Chief Justice in a condo , often clamping cars of residents' friends and relatives during their visits . Own condo but harassed by manager ? Management committee buat bodoh , maybe next AGm then action can be taken. Amgmo shouted at Lawrence that he even got the cheek to coerce contractors working in the condo to buy wines from his wine shop located at Newton which he wants to report him for corruption. Shocking that there are such managing agents providing hooligans to work in condo making life miserable for residents.
    Oh I better dont consider Lakeshore then. Is Parc Oasis a good place to live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregisterd
    Oh I better dont consider Lakeshore then. Is Parc Oasis a good place to live?
    Are you Lawrence?

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    Unregistered10 Guest

    Angry PRICE coming down

    Hello All

    heard the price of lakeshore is coming down , maybe worth to try although worried that the master plan is now on hold and just heard another property coming up near by price will drop futher like a rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered10
    Hello All

    heard the price of lakeshore is coming down , maybe worth to try although worried that the master plan is now on hold and just heard another property coming up near by price will drop futher like a rock
    Just checked. What you mentioned is not true.

    Did you forget to check your facts or you are just baselessly lying?

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    Unregistered10 Guest

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    i don understand why u say lying go see what the developer are offering u then comment please,, also please don use strong statement unless u are very sure!!!

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    Unregistered10 Guest

    Default project delay

    also is it not true there is delay in the jurong project it is affecting everyone

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    Unregistered999 Guest

    Default JURONG has FILTHY AND POLLUTED air

    I work in jurong and find the air polluted. The smell of cocoa and other substances is in the air almost everyday and the smell is interchangeable with smell of wierd chemicals from nearby factories. NEA has never bothered to test the quality of the air in jurong area as it is known to be an industrial town. Why buy a property in an industrial town however much the govt promises to develop the area. The smell of the air in jurong is enough to make me want to puke everytime i go to jurong, not to mention living there. Don't get conned by the beautiful lakes blar blar blar the govt has planned. i think singaporeans deserve a better quality of life that comes with better quality air. i have no objections to visiting jurong for its recreation but as for living there, it is a no no due to the nearby factories and jurong island!!!

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    Unregistered9999 Guest

    Default agree

    yes i agree wat a lousy plc unlike east so much quieter and cleaner ,better quality of life to plus much more good primary schools. i think the govt will take a long time to change the mind of the singaporean . btw lakeshore so cramp , 800 plus units u kidding me how to sell?

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    Total rubbish. East Coast has airport pollution which is worst than industrial air. Most developed countries have moved their airports far away from city centers. In any case, Tuas is quite far from Jurong. Studies have found that those areas near the central reserves has the best air, e.g. Bukit Timah, Thomson, upper bukit timah etc. Look at the oil spills at East Coast beach. No fish can survive in those waters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered999
    I work in jurong and find the air polluted. The smell of cocoa and other substances is in the air almost everyday and the smell is interchangeable with smell of wierd chemicals from nearby factories. NEA has never bothered to test the quality of the air in jurong area as it is known to be an industrial town. Why buy a property in an industrial town however much the govt promises to develop the area. The smell of the air in jurong is enough to make me want to puke everytime i go to jurong, not to mention living there. Don't get conned by the beautiful lakes blar blar blar the govt has planned. i think singaporeans deserve a better quality of life that comes with better quality air. i have no objections to visiting jurong for its recreation but as for living there, it is a no no due to the nearby factories and jurong island!!!

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    Good schools? Guest

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    Good primary schools in the east? You have very low standards issit? Name the best primary schools - Raffles Girl's primary, Nanyang Primary, SCGS, MGS, St Nicks, ACS etc. Which is in the east? NONE. I know you're gg to name "tao nan" which is a hokkien school that NEVER produce any top PSLE student.

    East Coast very CLEAN? Go look at the waters. The noise and air pollution from Paya Lebar airbase and Changi Airport and those factories in central east at Ubi is enough. The best air quality in SG is proven to be northwest near the nature reserves. Incidentally it is nearer the west than the east.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered9999
    yes i agree wat a lousy plc unlike east so much quieter and cleaner ,better quality of life to plus much more good primary schools. i think the govt will take a long time to change the mind of the singaporean . btw lakeshore so cramp , 800 plus units u kidding me how to sell?

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    Unregistered999 Guest

    Default don bother

    Look at Lakeshore the whole plc so crowded , not like the east , density is lower and with india nation coming in , just go parc oasis , u will understand, i think the MRT , plc , pple , Jp (lots of gathering of workers) are very bad for growth and kids upbringing , all those mentioned what so good of west are all bull shit, industrial are in west. the start ; jtc...

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    Check your facts. The Indians favourite spot is East Coast and Tanjong Rhu. Let's be fair. The East Coast is meant for high density housing with the highest plot ratio possible. The condos there are very cramped. With all the enblocs and massive construction, oil spills and airports, the air there is the WORST. Rainfall is the lowest and temperature highest in the east. Go check your facts, Not forgetting there're no grade A schools in the East. May of the students from "top" schools in the east like Chung Cheng are not that impressive. In fact, many easterners travel quite far to attend the top schools along the northwestern corridor. Also, the universities are in the west.

    In all fairness, I don't stay in the west or near Lakeshore. But it is not nice to go around saying other people's schools are lousy, air quality is lousy when it is not much better in the east. How can Meyer road air be good when cranes and construction and land reclaimation, oil spills and airbase are nearby? As for Indians, my friend's condo at Meyer has the highest concerntration of Indians. Indians also like going hand in hand at East Coast beach. Also, I just don't see why you should be such a racist talking bad about Indians. They're after all decent people coming here to make a living. The only thing that is special about the east is the streetwalkers and prostitutes which are now invading Katong and Marine Parade areas.

    Interestingly, I don't see people from the west bashing other people's property and promoting their own. Going through the threads, it appears the westerners are definitely a more cultured bunch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered999
    Look at Lakeshore the whole plc so crowded , not like the east , density is lower and with india nation coming in , just go parc oasis , u will understand, i think the MRT , plc , pple , Jp (lots of gathering of workers) are very bad for growth and kids upbringing , all those mentioned what so good of west are all bull shit, industrial are in west. the start ; jtc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good schools?
    Good primary schools in the east? You have very low standards issit? Name the best primary schools - Raffles Girl's primary, Nanyang Primary, SCGS, MGS, St Nicks, ACS etc. Which is in the east? NONE. I know you're gg to name "tao nan" which is a hokkien school that NEVER produce any top PSLE student.

    East Coast very CLEAN? Go look at the waters. The noise and air pollution from Paya Lebar airbase and Changi Airport and those factories in central east at Ubi is enough. The best air quality in SG is proven to be northwest near the nature reserves. Incidentally it is nearer the west than the east.
    you from one of those so-called good schools? that shows that we shouldn't put our children in those schools if they breed people like you.

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    Why do you have to resort to name calling? You are the one who went onto a Lakeshore thread bashing the west with NO BASIS whatsoever and started koyok selling that the East has the best schools and very clean waters. I am just telling you that this is not true and the best schools are not in the east. Instead of using proper analysis to contradict what I say, you call me a whatever "breed". What makes you then? Name calling is always unwarranted. Pls also note that you're the one you launched the attack first, lambasting other people's home has poor air quality and make racist remarks like the west has a lot of Indians. I'm shocked at your racism and lack of finesse. I'm not surprised that you're not from a good school with good pedigree - your total lack of critical thinking and racist remarks confirms that. That futher confirms that your area lack good school that teaches one critical thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by @#$@
    you from one of those so-called good schools? that shows that we shouldn't put our children in those schools if they breed people like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered1
    Why do you have to resort to name calling? You are the one who went onto a Lakeshore thread bashing the west with NO BASIS whatsoever and started koyok selling that the East has the best schools and very clean waters. I am just telling you that this is not true and the best schools are not in the east. Instead of using proper analysis to contradict what I say, you call me a whatever "breed". What makes you then? Name calling is always unwarranted. Pls also note that you're the one you launched the attack first, lambasting other people's home has poor air quality and make racist remarks like the west has a lot of Indians. I'm shocked at your racism and lack of finesse. I'm not surprised that you're not from a good school with good pedigree - your total lack of critical thinking and racist remarks confirms that. That futher confirms that your area lack good school that teaches one critical thinking.
    Looking at the latest report, east coast projects will be flooded in the next 3 years and prices for east coast will definately dive like no tomorrow. west coast is safe as not too much projects TOP.

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    Unregistered10 Guest

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    i think west is definitely more Hdb upgraders .. their behavior tend to be more obvious hanging clothes along the corridors, children toy cars parking everywhere.. not exclusive unlike those in the premium condo like hillview .. side.. i think also lakeshore too near to JP. all those in the thread if got chance try going there on sat evening or sunday... it is really not too saved.. which shopping centre besides serangoon can see huge influx of these pple who will bring social issues too... i think racist being one thing but the other complex consideration should not be left out.
    Also fighter planes kept flying ...it is not conducive for condo if you paid almost a million dollar!
    the choice is yrs but i think don be fooled by the rest

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    Read Straits Times just one month ago. The highest proportion of HDB upgraders is in the East. Please, I beg you guys to check your facts or else it just shows how uneducated you are. Bedok, Marine Parade, Hougang, Pasir Ris, Tampines, Sengkang etc. are all HDB areas. The west of course has Jurong, Bukit Batok, Queenstown, Clementi but these are very much peppered with private estates like Bukit Timah, Holland, Dover, Hillview, West Coast etc.

    Pls also bear in mind the record breaking HDB flats are in the west at Queenstown and Bukit Merah.

    The west has a fair share of wealthy people from Bukit Timah and Holland whose offsprings do not usually move to the east.

    I don't think one should look down on HDB upgrader as well. The more one goes around telling people "I'm wealthier than thou", the more I'm convinced this person is not wealthy at all. This is the general attitude of easterners like yourself. Also, don't look down on HDB upgrader. I hate to disappoint you but the the condos most popular with HDB upgraders are in the east. This is a fact - go read the news report. I'm not sure if you look down on your neighbours from Bedok, Tampines etc. but I hope you change your attitude. I have never stayed in a HDB but I never look down on HDB upgraders who manage to climb up the corporate ladder and do better in life.

    And of course, if HDB upgrader put you off so much, I suggest to look at condos other than the east, which has the highest proportion of upgraders, as reported just recently.


    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered10
    i think west is definitely more Hdb upgraders .. their behavior tend to be more obvious hanging clothes along the corridors, children toy cars parking everywhere.. not exclusive unlike those in the premium condo like hillview .. side.. i think also lakeshore too near to JP. all those in the thread if got chance try going there on sat evening or sunday... it is really not too saved.. which shopping centre besides serangoon can see huge influx of these pple who will bring social issues too... i think racist being one thing but the other complex consideration should not be left out.
    Also fighter planes kept flying ...it is not conducive for condo if you paid almost a million dollar!
    the choice is yrs but i think don be fooled by the rest

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    Unregistered10 Guest

    Default not true

    i been to marine parade, rest in east . And then to the west ... west has a lot of workers which made the estate look low class and populated... very unsafe.. east side how often u see indian workers loitering around hdbs, car park and coffee shops in weekends? they cause trouble after that.. how safe is that ? we are not talking just upgraders but also influx of new nationals with different habits, if u go india u know what i mean ..

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    I think you have to define west and east PROPERLY. You mean Jurong West has a lot of Indian workers? But this doesn't apply to say other areas like say Jurong East, Clementi, Upper Bukit Timah, Dover, West Coast etc., which is many times more wholesome than the east. It's like saying Geylang and Joo Chiat and Katong is full of streetwalkers and prostitutes and massage parlours and glue sniffing kids you start generalising the whole of the east is full of such people. Do you feel safe in Geylang/Joo Chiat when most murder cases originate from there? Recent news of overcrowding of foreign workers in condos are in Joo Chiat btw. Streetwalkers are walking down door to door in Joo Chiat asking for hourly rental. Just don't generalise and call people low class. As for overcrowded, it cannot be worse than the east because the west has pockets of nature reserves and green belts. The east is a continuos stretch of concrete jungle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered10
    i been to marine parade, rest in east . And then to the west ... west has a lot of workers which made the estate look low class and populated... very unsafe.. east side how often u see indian workers loitering around hdbs, car park and coffee shops in weekends? they cause trouble after that.. how safe is that ? we are not talking just upgraders but also influx of new nationals with different habits, if u go india u know what i mean ..

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    Unregistered111 Guest

    Default what nonsense

    u are not making sense
    I only meant lakeshore area n JP , if weekend u go JE nowadays they are visible. i think u are taking this beyond normal conversation.. it is still true the workers lodging are in the west mostly and guess what all the HDBs downstairs especially in JW are affected and they are concern !

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    Unregistered999 Guest

    Default don try to bull s

    hey everyone west is controversial but we love singapore !
    We stayed east we stayed west we love the nation. lakeshore is expensive , look elsewhere, facilities over populated , population of 900 with majority family of 4 or more, go there on sat and sunday and u will understand what i mean maybe should try others like hillvista and hillview regency for better class and less crowd.... now a days no one know tomorrow what will happen and when is the price going up or down ..

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