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    http://www.straitstimes.com/Money/St...ry_668452.html

    May 14, 2011

    Clock ticks on for older leasehold condos

    But there are ways to slow slide in property value, say experts

    By Esther Teo, Property Reporter



    IT MIGHT seem like a long time, but 60 years can be a worryingly short time for a property lease.

    The 60-year mark is a key milestone for private properties: go under that, and values often depreciate quicker as there are fewer interested buyers and banks can be reluctant to lend.

    Owners of ageing properties, it seems, have little choice as the clock ticks on, other than to watch their homes fall in value or try to offload their homes in a collective sale.

    Actually, things are not quite that bad. Banks can be flexible with mortgages on older homes, while the Central Provident Fund (CPF) can also accommodate buyers eyeing mature properties.

    The plight of owners of older properties made headlines last month when the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) refused to grant The Arcadia condo a lease top-up.

    The decision came despite The Arcadia obtaining 100 per cent support from owners, who also agreed to foot the bill if permission was given to top up the project's lease to 99 years. There are 67 years left on the lease of the 164-unit condo.

    The SLA decision has turned the spotlight on other ageing condos such as Hollandswood Court, One Tree Hill Mansions and Lutheran Towers. The Peace Centre and Peace Mansions complex, which has 58 years left on its lease, has turned to the collective sale market, but others like Hillcrest Arcadia have resisted that option.

    While collective sales have been the main way for owners to unlock the value of their homes, experts say there are other ways to stem the slide in value.

    Cushman & Wakefield's senior manager of Asia-Pacific research, Mr Ong Kah Seng, said owners who want to stay put should keep the property in good condition. This is especially so if it has historic features that enhance its value and make it a candidate for preservation, he added.

    Even if a lease top-up request is denied, there are still resale opportunities if the development is well maintained and the infrastructure and amenities are enhanced. 'Owners of some aged prime developments may be able to expect better buying interest from purchasers who are cash-rich and do not require home loans.'

    Mr Colin Tan, research and consultancy director at real estate firm Chesterton Suntec International, said owner-occupiers are often less concerned about leases.

    'When the green movement gets stronger, we might also see fewer en blocs. Instead of tearing down older buildings, which is a blatant wastage, they can be refurbished like in other countries,' he added.

    Banks can help out as well. While they are reluctant to finance loans for older properties, they told The Straits Times that other factors, such as location, the tenor of the loan and the borrower's profile, are also taken into consideration.

    Ms Lui Su Kian, DBS managing director and head of deposits and secured lending, said that while most banks do not finance homes with fewer than 30 years left on the lease, applications are reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

    OCBC Bank head of consumer secured lending Phang Lah Wah added that banks generally reduce the loan tenor or quantum of financing if the remaining lease falls below 40 years on loan maturity.

    The CPF has specific policies regarding older homes. In 2005, it reduced the minimum outstanding lease of qualifying homes to 30 years from 60 years for Singaporeans and permanent residents looking to buy a private home.

    But the remaining lease must be long enough so that the youngest owner using CPF savings to buy the property can live in the home until he or she turns 80. The buyer will also be subject to lower CPF withdrawal limits. So, a 45-year-old buyer has to buy a home that has at least 35 years left on the lease.

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    Default just a question

    Lakepoint is an old condo.

    In 2006, 2 bedroom loft was selling around $270000
    In 2007, it was selling at $450000+
    In 2011, it was sold at $690000.

    So i like to ask when does the price slide actually happen? Is there a number where if the condo passes that age, the prices will definitely slide down.

    Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.




    Quote Originally Posted by mr funny
    http://www.straitstimes.com/Money/St...ry_668452.html

    May 14, 2011

    Clock ticks on for older leasehold condos

    But there are ways to slow slide in property value, say experts

    By Esther Teo, Property Reporter



    IT MIGHT seem like a long time, but 60 years can be a worryingly short time for a property lease.

    The 60-year mark is a key milestone for private properties: go under that, and values often depreciate quicker as there are fewer interested buyers and banks can be reluctant to lend.

    Owners of ageing properties, it seems, have little choice as the clock ticks on, other than to watch their homes fall in value or try to offload their homes in a collective sale.

    Actually, things are not quite that bad. Banks can be flexible with mortgages on older homes, while the Central Provident Fund (CPF) can also accommodate buyers eyeing mature properties.

    The plight of owners of older properties made headlines last month when the Singapore Land Authority (SLA) refused to grant The Arcadia condo a lease top-up.

    The decision came despite The Arcadia obtaining 100 per cent support from owners, who also agreed to foot the bill if permission was given to top up the project's lease to 99 years. There are 67 years left on the lease of the 164-unit condo.

    The SLA decision has turned the spotlight on other ageing condos such as Hollandswood Court, One Tree Hill Mansions and Lutheran Towers. The Peace Centre and Peace Mansions complex, which has 58 years left on its lease, has turned to the collective sale market, but others like Hillcrest Arcadia have resisted that option.

    While collective sales have been the main way for owners to unlock the value of their homes, experts say there are other ways to stem the slide in value.

    Cushman & Wakefield's senior manager of Asia-Pacific research, Mr Ong Kah Seng, said owners who want to stay put should keep the property in good condition. This is especially so if it has historic features that enhance its value and make it a candidate for preservation, he added.

    Even if a lease top-up request is denied, there are still resale opportunities if the development is well maintained and the infrastructure and amenities are enhanced. 'Owners of some aged prime developments may be able to expect better buying interest from purchasers who are cash-rich and do not require home loans.'

    Mr Colin Tan, research and consultancy director at real estate firm Chesterton Suntec International, said owner-occupiers are often less concerned about leases.

    'When the green movement gets stronger, we might also see fewer en blocs. Instead of tearing down older buildings, which is a blatant wastage, they can be refurbished like in other countries,' he added.

    Banks can help out as well. While they are reluctant to finance loans for older properties, they told The Straits Times that other factors, such as location, the tenor of the loan and the borrower's profile, are also taken into consideration.

    Ms Lui Su Kian, DBS managing director and head of deposits and secured lending, said that while most banks do not finance homes with fewer than 30 years left on the lease, applications are reviewed on a case-by-case basis.

    OCBC Bank head of consumer secured lending Phang Lah Wah added that banks generally reduce the loan tenor or quantum of financing if the remaining lease falls below 40 years on loan maturity.

    The CPF has specific policies regarding older homes. In 2005, it reduced the minimum outstanding lease of qualifying homes to 30 years from 60 years for Singaporeans and permanent residents looking to buy a private home.

    But the remaining lease must be long enough so that the youngest owner using CPF savings to buy the property can live in the home until he or she turns 80. The buyer will also be subject to lower CPF withdrawal limits. So, a 45-year-old buyer has to buy a home that has at least 35 years left on the lease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tericia
    Lakepoint is an old condo.

    In 2006, 2 bedroom loft was selling around $270000
    In 2007, it was selling at $450000+
    In 2011, it was sold at $690000.

    So i like to ask when does the price slide actually happen? Is there a number where if the condo passes that age, the prices will definitely slide down.

    Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.
    nvr do in depth research....but px will generally 'depreciate' after 40yrs for 99LH.....cpf restrictions starts upon 40yo ppty

    now raising market mah.....wait till downturn to see the effect

    pearlbank another eg....i so tempted to buy one in 09....but no guts to buy wor....shd just bot it.....now can oredi sell it away ....dun hf to wait for enbloc

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    Quote Originally Posted by tericia
    Lakepoint is an old condo.

    In 2006, 2 bedroom loft was selling around $270000
    In 2007, it was selling at $450000+
    In 2011, it was sold at $690000.

    So i like to ask when does the price slide actually happen? Is there a number where if the condo passes that age, the prices will definitely slide down.

    Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.
    enbloc potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ay123
    enbloc potential.
    i wonder will old 99LH condos in OCR ever get enbloc anot? developer can readily buy from GLS rite? so far dun hf any rite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tericia
    Lakepoint is an old condo.

    In 2006, 2 bedroom loft was selling around $270000
    In 2007, it was selling at $450000+
    In 2011, it was sold at $690000.

    So i like to ask when does the price slide actually happen? Is there a number where if the condo passes that age, the prices will definitely slide down.

    Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.
    Not only for private but HDB also not sliding... maybe its referring to after certain age condo and also HDB???

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    i wonder will old 99LH condos in OCR ever get enbloc anot? developer can readily buy from GLS rite? so far dun hf any rite?
    heard there been discussion but after tat no action. is true tat chance of 99lh get enbloc is slim but if look at lakeside area, beside one more potential land (still unknown usage) near the lake, there isnt any good plot surrounding.....

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    *tick tock* *tick tock* *tick tock*

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    Default yet to see it

    i've concentrated on buying the oldest estates so far cuz i like them plus after a while you get a feel about them.

    Yet, each time have been able to sell them at good capital gains with price surpassing the previous transactions. So i was wondering if anyone has evidence of condo prices that persistently slide down despite all economic conditions.

    Many thanks again for taking the time to reply.


    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    nvr do in depth research....but px will generally 'depreciate' after 40yrs for 99LH.....cpf restrictions starts upon 40yo ppty

    now raising market mah.....wait till downturn to see the effect

    pearlbank another eg....i so tempted to buy one in 09....but no guts to buy wor....shd just bot it.....now can oredi sell it away ....dun hf to wait for enbloc

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    Quote Originally Posted by tericia
    i've concentrated on buying the oldest estates so far cuz i like them plus after a while you get a feel about them.

    Yet, each time have been able to sell them at good capital gains with price surpassing the previous transactions. So i was wondering if anyone has evidence of condo prices that persistently slide down despite all economic conditions.

    Many thanks again for taking the time to reply.
    ask proudowner to answer u lor...he said he will only buy FREEHOLD.....ask him y cannot buy older 99LH lor

    those ppl will say: keep for my children

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    i wonder will old 99LH condos in OCR ever get enbloc anot? developer can readily buy from GLS rite? so far dun hf any rite?
    Waterfront View condominium, an ex-HUDC in bedok reservoir sold for $385 million in 2006?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kengyong
    Waterfront View condominium, an ex-HUDC in bedok reservoir sold for $385 million in 2006?
    HUDC mah....bcoz owner can sell cheap and developer can convert to condo and sell much higher rite?

    minton aso ex hudc plot

    for ocr 99LH condo, got any manage to enbloc ar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    HUDC mah....bcoz owner can sell cheap and developer can convert to condo and sell much higher rite?

    minton aso ex hudc plot

    for ocr 99LH condo, got any manage to enbloc ar?
    Akan Datang. OCR condos mostly quite new. In 20 years time, OCR condos bought at today's $800 psf considered cheap because market could be $2,000 psf then. Just like HUDC. Last time expensive, now considered cheap rite?

    Agents are already touting Parc Oasis as enbloc potential. What was the price of Parc Oasis at launch? $400 to $500 psf? I remember people paying $50 to get queue number then. Cheap in today's terms. The Lakefront oredi hitting close to $1,200 psf.

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