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[westman]

if i am him i will make sure aljunied pay a price and face the consequence for change. war is never fair

Can aljunies residents don't pay taxes?
As a matter if fact, I really hope PAP does it... The harsher the better.

Best:
-Install ERP for all roads connecting to ALJ GRC
-Cut all funding for HDB
-ALJ GRC Residents pay triple amount of taxes than fellow Singaporean
-Increase Hawkers stall rental there...
-ambulance take donkey time to reach....
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Why can't PAP adopt "以德服人＂?

best： 攻心为上，攻城为下。

[ay123]

Can aljunies residents don't pay taxes?
As a matter if fact, I really hope PAP does it... The harsher the better.

Best:
-Install ERP for all roads connecting to ALJ GRC
-Cut all funding for HDB
-ALJ GRC Residents pay triple amount of taxes than fellow Singaporean
-Increase Hawkers stall rental there...
-ambulance take donkey time to reach....
...
...
...

Why can't PAP adopt "以德服人＂?

best： 攻心为上，攻城为下。

DID GEORGE YEO DIDNT DO A GOOD JOB??? he is one of the good minister, he lose, we lose one good minister. is it good to have one good minister to exchange for a voice in parliament???

[westman]

DID GEORGE YEO DIDNT DO A GOOD JOB??? he is one of the good minister, he lose, we lose one good minister. is it good to have one good minister to exchange for a voice in parliament???

Bro, Did you just mentioned war is never fair?
Do you agree voting "yes" to casino is a good man? Please define what is good.

Common, don't like that leh... Double standard.

[ay123]

Bro, Did you just mentioned war is never far?
Do you agree voting "yes" to casino is a good man? Please define what is good.

Common, don't like that leh... Double standard.

do u agree casino help spore economy? w/o casino ppl also gamble underground. w/o geylang ppl also go "gio guay" right. so make it legal and control than let it run wild

my "good" is he does his work well to be honest there is no so call good politician. anyone enter politics must be cunning. impt is result

[westman]

do u agree casino help spore economy? w/o casino ppl also gamble underground. w/o geylang ppl also go "gio guay" right. so make it legal and control than let it run wild

my "good" is he does his work well to be honest there is no so call good politician. anyone enter politics must be cunning. impt is result

For one, I disagree with Casino.
-A colleague divorced her husband after 20years of marriage due yo casino debt.
-A childhood friend of mine run into gambling problem at MBS, i help to pay his kid's education fee every months via passing money to his wife (which accidentally my wife kindergarten's classmate)
-there are many more social problems then you actually tot.

As for. Benefits.. Hmm.. Was told decision to go with casino aids job creation The hard truth, jobs go to FT instead. Dun't believe? Go there to take a look to draw your own conclusion.

As for GY, he is from City Harvest, rite?
Going back on your believe for casino, rite meh?

[DC33_2008]

Politics are never clean. Everyone behind in the party has to tow the line. Look at those who do not tow will have to go as you can see with former Pres Ong (no state funeral) and some MPs this round.

do u agree casino help spore economy? w/o casino ppl also gamble underground. w/o geylang ppl also go "gio guay" right. so make it legal and control than let it run wild

my "good" is he does his work well to be honest there is no so call good politician. anyone enter politics must be cunning. impt is result

[devilplate]

For one, I disagree with Casino.
-A colleague divorced her husband after 20years of marriage due yo casino debt.
-A childhood friend of mine run into gambling problem at MBS, i help to pay his kid's education fee every months via passing money to his wife (which accidentally my wife kindergarten's classmate)
-there are many more social problems then you actually tot.

As for. Benefits.. Hmm.. Was told decision to go with casino aids job creation The hard truth, jobs go to FT instead. Dun't believe? Go there to take a look to draw your own conclusion.

As for GY, he is from City Harvest, rite?
Going back on your believe for casino, rite meh?

oi bro....

casino is everywhr....

4D/toto so convenient too

many retirees still continue their wkly or mthly trip to genting casino.....they hiam $100 or 2k entry fee expensive....

does it really make a difference to hf casinoes in SG?

i totally do not pity those gamblers.....

not just casinoes....shall we also ban ppl from frying forex? stocks?

so u want govt to force us to contribute more into CPF? oredi force ppl to buy into annuity after retirement age....u want more?

one side say govt sxxxx......lock up our CPF $$....pls dun treat us like kids as if we do not noe how to manage our own cpf $$.....den govt let u withdraw all...some go ntuc jackpot....frequent genting.....so HOW?!?!?!

[devilplate]

very easy to shoot question!

why pay and pay....y GST....y COE....y ERP.....y geylang OKT? ops...hehe

[Regulators]

Vote opposition and vote for first world parliament. Vote pap and continue to be bullied for another 5years with higher cost of living, higher taxes, marginalisation of singaporeans through foreign immigration policies.

[Regulators]

vote pap medical bills will continue to escalate and we will all become medical tourists in other countries or even sell your properties to pay for medical bills

[ay123]

by voting opp....
1) cost of living will come down?
2) GST will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?

wow opp will be a superman if all the above come true.....i will definitely vote them in.

[westman]

oi bro....

casino is everywhr....

4D/toto so convenient too

many retirees still continue their wkly or mthly trip to genting casino.....they hiam $100 or 2k entry fee expensive....

does it really make a difference to hf casinoes in SG?

i totally do not pity those gamblers.....

not just casinoes....shall we also ban ppl from frying forex? stocks?

so u want govt to force us to contribute more into CPF? oredi force ppl to buy into annuity after retirement age....u want more?

one side say govt sxxxx......lock up our CPF $$....pls dun treat us like kids as if we do not noe how to manage our own cpf $$.....den govt let u withdraw all...some go ntuc jackpot....frequent genting.....so HOW?!?!?!

Bro, you have hit the jackpot on my behalf and you have brought quite a handful for me to answer....

For gambling,
1) Who own Singapore Pool?
2) Who push for Casino?

Yes, I don't pity gamblers as they have their part to blame.
However, can you dismissed the fact that Garment also need to be scrutinise too?

Which is nearer? Going to Genting or going to MBS/Sentosa?
The logic goes with condo near MRT loh...
When you bring it closer, more will go and with more to go, how?

For Gambling vs Investing (CPF???)
I think it would be very challenging to argue with the claim that investing is a good thing. Commonly, investing is widely regarded as the engine that drives capitalism and greed. It tends to put money in the hands of those with the most promising and productive uses for it, and drives the economy gradually upward. Investors aren't merely betting on which companies will succeed, they're providing the capital those companies need to accomplish their goals.

Gambling, on the other hand, tend to brings with it well-documented unpleasant side effects. I'll leave it up to the forumer members here to decide whether gambling is, on the balance, a plus or a minus. Looking to the financial markets, it's not difficult to observe one could make the case that people who gamble in this realm often hope to strike rich in a fast and furious manners.

The questions of whether gambling is morally wrong and how strictly it should be regulated are important. I have no problem with a person being morally opposed to gambling, as long as that person knows exactly what he/she means by 'gambling' or investing in CPF. However, by turning to Sins Industry such as Casinoes opening up in Singapore, it give me the feeling that PAP has run out of ideals what to bring Singaporeans forward.

[DC33_2008]

It is not possible to achieve all these with any parties. They will need a balance of all these.

by voting opp....
1) cost of living will come down?
2) GST will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?

wow opp will be a superman if all the above come true.....i will definitely vote them in.

[devilplate]

westman...u making too much assumptions liao

i like to go to casino.....i frequent genting last time....den stop and jumpship to macau bcoz more casinoes there....haha

i visited both mbs/genting sg, visited once for both....tats it....and i still continue wif my frequent macau trip

near is not always better....not bcoz there r only 2 casinoes there....but just dun hf the feel to gamble there.....i feel silly to gamble at our own casino.....but dun hf tat feeling when i was at macau and in fact feel vy shiok to gamble in macau.....dun ask me y? i aso duno y! hahahahaa

[westman]

by voting opp....
1) cost of living will come down?
2) GST will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?

wow opp will be a superman if all the above come true.....i will definitely vote them in.

Bro ay123, thanks for bring this up.
Thanks for making my job easier to bring across my points...

1) Cost of living will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
Thanks to MBT's land policies. See what happened to industrial/commercial land sales now... Industrial land bidding hitting 500~600 psf. Do you think that is good for Singapore?

Don't you know this will push up business costs (fixed costs) for company operating in Singapore? Assuming all factors being equal and constant(labour costs and variable costs), what would happened to costs of living?

Then when the costs of living goes up, what can we lesser mortal do then?

Ask yourself, are we financially ready to shoulder current land costs and hosuing price bor? Remember, housing price will need to be backup by income.

With business costs goes up and assuming incomes need to raise to meet high costs of living. Do you think Singapore can be competitive in global competition? Hope now you understand why garment keep surpressing our income growth and also PAP turns to sins industry....

2) GST will come down?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?
Thaman just said we are financially sound, thus a little cut back to help us during this hard time, can bor?

Also, since we are financially able now, a small cut make a long way for poor can bor?

[westman]

westman...u making too much assumptions liao

i like to go to casino.....i frequent genting last time....den stop and jumpship to macau bcoz more casinoes there....haha

i visited both mbs/genting sg, visited once for both....tats it....and i still continue wif my frequent macau trip

near is not always better....not bcoz there r only 2 casinoes there....but just dun hf the feel to gamble there.....i feel silly to gamble at our own casino.....but dun hf tat feeling when i was at macau and in fact feel vy shiok to gamble in macau.....dun ask me y? i aso duno y! hahahahaa

Bro, that is not assumptions wor but cold hard fact.
Problem is, most of us pretend it does not exist at all. I'm very sad with this...

[Regulators]

It makes no sense for government to advocate thrift, hardwrk and prudence and have the govt build a casino for people to squander away their hard earned money. All that talk about helping problem gamblers blar blar blar is just so fake[/LIST]

westman...u making too much assumptions liao

i like to go to casino.....i frequent genting last time....den stop and jumpship to macau bcoz more casinoes there....haha

i visited both mbs/genting sg, visited once for both....tats it....and i still continue wif my frequent macau trip

near is not always better....not bcoz there r only 2 casinoes there....but just dun hf the feel to gamble there.....i feel silly to gamble at our own casino.....but dun hf tat feeling when i was at macau and in fact feel vy shiok to gamble in macau.....dun ask me y? i aso duno y! hahahahaa

[land118]

Bro, that is not assumptions wor but cold hard fact.
Problem is, most of us pretend it does not exist at all. I'm very sad with this...

Personally, if the government is genuine about protecting the citizens and just tapping on foreign gamblers, it should NOT be a self exclusion policy like now to enter casinos but a OPT IN policy for citizens. Like this, only those who genuinely want to gamble, will take the trouble to opt in. We can also have a opt in period, after this period, to go again, citizen need to apply again. Can have various form to opt in, online also can since it is social, perhaps we may be going with families also to enter Universal Studios. After all, most of us do visit Genting once a year, or once every half a year, not much trouble for us to opt in. But for true gamblers, really want to gamble, then surely they can buy yearly pass or apply for opt in and specify period. But by opting in, it does sent a Further clearer message that government try to find additional ways to protect citizens....and not encourage gambling

[westman]

Personally, if the government is genuine about protecting the citizens and just tapping on foreign gamblers, it should NOT be a self exclusion policy like now to enter casinos but a OPT IN policy for citizens. Like this, only those who genuine want to gamble, will take the trouble to opt in. We can also have a opt in period, after this period, to go again, citizen need to apply again. Can have various form to opt in, online also can since it is social, perhaps we may be going with families also to enter Universal Studios. After all, most of us do visit Genting once a year, or once every half a year, not much trouble for us to opt in. But for true gamblers, really want to gamble, then surely they can buy yearly pass or apply for opt in and specify period. But by opting in, it does sent a Further clearer message that government try to find additional ways to protect citizens....and not encourage gambling

IMHO, building two casinoes are like allowing brothels opening in your condo project. MC would claimed these brothels helps to reduced monthly maintenance costs (for sure lah, rental income mah). AFter letting in, many husbands start visiting these brothels while. Wife cannot tahan and start complaining to MC. MC threatened that if without brothels, maintenance costs would goes up!

We will be FIXED by then...

[devilplate]

funny la...

1st world parliament blah blah....comparing SG with 1st world countries blah blah.....many many 1st world countries got casinoes too....

ppl only like to see and tok abt the stuff tat support their beliefs and ideas to make themselves feel gd.....when comes to election....opposition supporters only pin point bad stuff and mistakes.....

the list goes on....nid i say more? everyone pls do a self reflection of urself....we r no saint/holy/god....and so pls dun pretend to be one

[ay123]

IMHO, building two casinoes are like allowing brothels opening in your condo project. MC would claimed these brothels helps to reduced monthly maintenance costs (for sure lah, rental income mah). AFter letting in, many husbands start visiting these brothels while. Wife cannot tahan and start complaining to MC. MC threatened that if without brothels, maintenance costs would goes up!

We will be FIXED by then...

the world is changing. if we continue to be a frog staying in the well and don allow this don allow that.......we will die like a frog
u want to be world class but do things like 3rd world......cannot accept change
don forget we are so tiny and fragile, the more we must be brave enough to accept change. u cannot accept casino that bring economy growth to the country but can acccept opp not knowing what can they deliver?? really contradicting

[teddybear]

Let's face it! Everyone does the same tactics including PAP, in other countries too...remember the video case about the oppn candidate...n many other cases...

Could anyone recall who started with 1st world government first? Was it the justification of high salary? then oppns come up with 1st world parliament! Lol!

I don't understand why oppns used it n you felt strongly against it but not with the other party?

Hahaha....a bit skew..

funny la...

1st world parliament blah blah....comparing SG with 1st world countries blah blah.....many many 1st world countries got casinoes too....

ppl only like to see and tok abt the stuff tat support their beliefs and ideas to make themselves feel gd.....when comes to election....opposition supporters only pin point bad stuff and mistakes.....

the list goes on....nid i say more? everyone pls do a self reflection of urself....we r no saint/holy/god....and so pls dun pretend to be one

[Regulators]

We were first world before the irs came into the picture. Making money from vice very easy but repairing the social fabric after damage is done takes a long time

the world is changing. if we continue to be a frog staying in the well and don allow this don allow that.......we will die like a frog
u want to be world class but do things like 3rd world......cannot accept change
don forget we are so tiny and fragile, the more we must be brave enough to accept change. u cannot accept casino that bring economy growth to the country but can acccept opp not knowing what can they deliver?? really contradicting

[devilplate]

Let's face it! Everyone does the same tactics including PAP, in other countries too...remember the video case about the oppn candidate...n many other cases...

Could anyone recall who started with 1st world government first? Was it the justification of high salary? then oppns come up with 1st world parliament! Lol!

I don't understand why oppns used it n you felt strongly against it but not with the other party?

Hahaha....a bit skew..

i said b4 too....i feel underpriviledge when i serve fuxxking 2.5yrs NS and yet must wait till 35yo den can buy HDB whereas PR couples can happily buy one anytime they wish.....

NS is set up for gd cause of our country.....but wif saddist/losers managing it.....it become a CHORE to many singaporeans......how many ppl these days serve NS with pride?

i can list out so many many bad stuff and unhappiness about my life in SG so far.....but when i travel more.....i see more.....den i felt my unhappiness is just so so childish and minor.....

oh ya, i totally want to see a revision on our minister pay!!!

[devilplate]

We were first world before the irs came into the picture. Making money from vice very easy but repairing the social fabric after damage is done takes a long time

ya la....all dun drive better.....use green energy.....y build coal plants.....

all damaging our mother earth!!!! tsunami.....more frequent earthquakes.....rising temperature.....rising sea level.....

we all SINNERS....and so pls dun pretend tat u r not.....

y build buildings.....commercialisation.....chemical plants???? to satisfy wat????

nvrending when toking about moral values....

[westman]

the world is changing. if we continue to be a frog staying in the well and don allow this don allow that.......we will die like a frog
u want to be world class but do things like 3rd world......cannot accept change
don forget we are so tiny and fragile, the more we must be brave enough to accept change. u cannot accept casino that bring economy growth to the country but can acccept opp not knowing what can they deliver?? really contradicting

Can you list what have you been benefiting from casino that bring economy growth to the country.

[westman]

Bro ay123, thanks for bring this up.
Thanks for making my job easier to bring across my points...

1) Cost of living will come down?
3) medical cost will come down?
4) property price will go up?
Thanks to MBT's land policies. See what happened to industrial/commercial land sales now... Industrial land bidding hitting 500~600 psf. Do you think that is good for Singapore?

Don't you know this will push up business costs (fixed costs) for company operating in Singapore? Assuming all factors being equal and constant(labour costs and variable costs), what would happened to costs of living?

Then when the costs of living goes up, what can we lesser mortal do then?

Ask yourself, are we financially ready to shoulder current land costs and hosuing price bor? Remember, housing price will need to be backup by income.

With business costs goes up and assuming incomes need to raise to meet high costs of living. Do you think Singapore can be competitive in global competition? Hope now you understand why garment keep surpressing our income growth and also PAP turns to sins industry....

2) GST will come down?
5) all the needy will be taken care of?
Thaman just said we are financially sound, thus a little cut back to help us during this hard time, can bor?

Also, since we are financially able now, a small cut make a long way for poor can bor?

AY1234, what your take on this?

[DaytonaSS]

For one, I disagree with Casino.
-A colleague divorced her husband after 20years of marriage due yo casino debt.
-A childhood friend of mine run into gambling problem at MBS, i help to pay his kid's education fee every months via passing money to his wife (which accidentally my wife kindergarten's classmate)
-there are many more social problems then you actually tot.

As for. Benefits.. Hmm.. Was told decision to go with casino aids job creation The hard truth, jobs go to FT instead. Dun't believe? Go there to take a look to draw your own conclusion.

As for GY, he is from City Harvest, rite?
Going back on your believe for casino, rite meh?

bro , u blame the govt for a man whom failed his family? i also go casino, i also lose $$$. If he is a MAN, admit he bring his own downfall. He ownself pay $100 and walk into the casino. PAP already tell singaporeans the casino is not meant for them, dont go. Govt didnt create social problem. Its the gamblers who create it.

u think about it..... those pple choose it. they dont lose their fortune in 1 time. Its a decision over a period to continue to go gambling.

PPle lose $$$ on stock market, can they blame govt open stock brokage?
PPle kanna ***ual diease, can they blame govt legalize geylang? OKT dont shoot me pls.

[ay123]

Can you list what have you been benefiting from casino that bring economy growth to the country.

isnt part of growth package come from casino contribution. isnt the lower income receive more

[devilplate]

Can you list what have you been benefiting from casino that bring economy growth to the country.

jobs and growth.....

attracts more foreign investments.....it pushes SG brand up to a new level

more foreign investment-->more monies flowing in-->more coy setting up-->more jobs

casino improves service sector.....tourism booms.....but not just tat.....ppty booms.....construction booms.....furniture biz booms....taxis boomss.....jobs booms.....many more.....VICE biz aso BOOM.....geylang OKT super HUAT!!! hahaha

i just list out some.....i am sure they r many more tangible and intangible benefits
tink along tat train of tots....casino does bring growth and branding to SG....

of coz, all these benefits dun comes for free.....it create social problems and unrest like wat westman bro had dutifully pointed out....

its all about striking a balance

i am not saying PAP r perfect.....but i support the idea of opening up of 2 IRs