Senior
MRT is supposed to serve corridors of high population density to ease traffic congestion. Of all the MRT lines, circle line stands out as a curiosity as it seems to serve mostly landed estates instead of cutting through areas of higher population density. It appears to be more politically motivated than spurred by necessity. Any views, please?
Global recession is coming....
Circle line is necessary as it cut short the distance people need to travel say from Yishun to Tuas and to Punggol etc and vice versa. On the other hand, the rumoured another East line through Marine Parade is not really necessary since there is already a East-West line and people can switch to bus from nearest MRT station to go there.
T relieve jams in CBD, the right way should be to make the MRT stations in CBD walking distance to each other (<=500m apart) and get ride of all buses in there (they are causing so much jams over there and also because of reserving 1 stupid bus lane!).Make it just like in London central where each Metro station is <=500m apart and hence taking bus is not necessary. Make sure the station is wheelchair friendly as well.
Originally Posted by hyenergix
Junior
It is the most useless line but it serves the purpose of linking certain suburbs to suburbs. That's why I'm not too impressed by properties near the circle line - ultimately still have to make a lot of walking and interchanges just to get to most places. I think LTA probably make the wrong decision to build the circle line before the downtown line or ERL or TL becos those lines are definitely more critical than the useless circle line that very few people will use since it runs in circles and lead nowhere with no real benefits to anyone, even for those living near the stations. I'm not surprised the circle line stations will become ghosttowns.
Music of the night
Who say is useless:
1. From D16/18 to Suntec City now is 25mins peak hours, 30mins non peak, previously must go Cityhall and walk 10 mins
2. From D16/D18 to Bishan / AMK, cut short by 15 mins at least
3. Once the circle extension to Marina Bay Sands completed, same as (1)
4. You can access National Stadium, Kallang Leisure Park, National museum, future Botanic Garden easily
5. The future DTL3 can change at MacPherson and go Suntec direct or switch to EWL at Paya Lebar (the interchange walking distance is fairly close)
Last edited by phantom_opera; 03-03-11 at 09:30.
Exalted
agreeCircle line is necessary as it cut short the distance people need to travel say from Yishun to Tuas and to Punggol etc and vice versa. On the other hand, the rumoured another East line through Marine Parade is not really necessary since there is already a East-West line and people can switch to bus from nearest MRT station to go there.
T relieve jams in CBD, the right way should be to make the MRT stations in CBD walking distance to each other (<=500m apart) and get ride of all buses in there (they are causing so much jams over there and also because of reserving 1 stupid bus lane!).
oredi got DTL3 for the east and duno y we nid another ERL line.......its confirmed in the pipeline lor....
some of the lines/stations looks redundant now....but i am sure govt got plans to increase the population density surrounding it
another point to add....mabe govt realise we shd build all the mrt lines first b4 building residential....i tink its much better
Last edited by devilplate; 03-03-11 at 09:57.
Newbie
Density in the east is very high. To travel to Eunos and Kembangan MRT stations takes at least 10 - 15 min (bus/ walking). Plus the roads around Telok Kurau, East Coast already jammed packed now. Don't forget it is now quite inconvenient to get to East Coast Park using public transport. How to cope without having a dedicated line for that area in 10 years' time?
Exalted
but tat stretch only marine parade is high density rite?
mabe ERL will include a station at tanjong rhu and got plans to develop tat area.....
Junior
Useless in the sense that its going to be so underutilised as compared to other lines like DTL which should take priority. Seriously, how many people need to go from D18 to Bishan during peak hours? Resources should be allocated to the most pressing needs. Let's take a poll here to see how many of us have actually taken the circle line? I have NOT till today. Even those staying near the station don't find it too useful. I can bet my bottom dollar its going to be the most under-utilised line.
Music of the night
Seriously, I always use EWL+CCL to go Suntec Convention, it is much better than driving.
A mature MRT system like London offers multiple routes to reach the same destination so when the overall DTL2/DTL3 are up, then you can see the value of CCL.
I am sure lots of gamblers will like to reach Sands or Gardens By the Bay by train
And it is in sync with government strategy to build regional business centre like Changi Biz Park, JLD so people may stay in Bishan but work in CBP
Junior
I kind of agree the MRT lines are grossly "eastern-skewed" - so there will be 4 lines running up the east corridor (EW,NE,DTL3,ERL) , only 2 lines up north and 2 lines up west. But then east is also the most crowded and dense part of SG as the entire area is built up to the max. But could have something to do with strong MPs in the east? In Singapore, a lot of things are politically motivated. But 4 lines up east seems a bit OTT - and imagine if got strong earthquake in Indonesia and east part mainly marine sand, what will happen.
but tat stretch only marine parade is high density rite?
mabe ERL will include a station at tanjong rhu and got plans to develop tat area.....
Exalted
dun bet here and there la.....now under utilised but in future who noes rite....last time NEL line aso under utilised wat.....and ppl criticise saying who gona live in punggol
circle at least it helps to relieve EW workload abit after paya lebar....if not those ppl after paya lebar towards city got no chance to board the train....hehe.....my fren complain about getting in the train at lavender stn....hehe
Senior
Every MRT line will serve its purpose to relieve congestion. The issue is the areas that the circle line is passing through are not high population density areas that have more pressing need for MRT.
Junior
That's why I talk about PRIORITY. There're definitely more pressing areas that need MRT/transportation more than the circle line. Yes, maybe 10 years later it shall be fully utilised lah - but now, it's almost like white elephant n waste of tax payers money.
Bricks & Mortar
PAP heavyweights skewed to central and east...SM Goh, MBT, WKS, TCH, LSL, GY...
Newbie
I believe this is the correct idea behind the CCL - to relieve MRT stress at the main interchanges at Raff Place and City Hall.
Unfortunately, to make it a 'Circle' the line had to have stations in areas that ordinarily shouldn't have one.
But it kinda make sense to me. The 'Circle' makes a boundary that 'creates' a central zone for commerce and residences. Anything outside is more 'satellite' towns developed 'linearly' with the radial MRT lines.
That said, I doubt if CCL will make big profits for the next 10 yrs.
Bricks & Mortar
Some of the Downtown line tenders updates in LTA website...
http://app.lta.gov.sg/tender_home1.asp
A few of the Stage 3 tenders of stations for Downtown Line are closing this month
Bricks & Mortar
Tunneling works for Thomson Line awarded last last month by LTA..
http://tunnellingjournal.com/news/lta-thomson-line-awards/
LTA Thomson Line awards
By Tris Thomas on February 23, 2011 · Comments
Singapore’s LTA has awarded the contracts for the Architectural and Engineering Consultancy Services for the Proposed Thomson Line (TSL) – Mainline Packages A, B, and C. The winners are:
Package A: Arup Singapore Private Limited and Aedas Pte Ltd for S$21,533,580.00
Package B: TY Lin International Pte Ltd /DP Architects Pte Ltd for S$43,536,808.00
Package C: AECOM Singapore Pte Ltd and SAA Architects Pte Ltd for S$29,315,556.06
The Thomson Line will run for up to 30km completely underground from the heart of Marina Bay northwards through the Central Business District and up through Ang Mo Kio all the way to Woodlands connecting estates such as Sin Ming, Kebun Baru, Thomson and Kim Seng which currently do not have a direct MRT link.
Construction is due for completion in 2018.
Bricks & Mortar
http://news.omy.sg/News/Local%2BNews...03-224706.html
期:
24/02/2011新闻来源:我报
汤申线可能比原先计划长
</IMG>预计在2018年建成的汤申线（Thomson Line）有可能比原先计划的长，所设站数也可能比原本多5个，共23个地铁站。（早报制图
预计在2018年建成的汤申线（Thomson Line）有可能比原先计划的长，所设站数也可能比原本多5个，共23个地铁站。
根据陆路交通管理局（LTA）最近发出的汤申线工程招标书，该线预计全长30km，比3年前宣布的陆路交通发展总蓝图中的27km还要长。
全线将建在地下，采用全自动化的无人驾驶地铁系统，并将设有23个地铁站和1个总车厂。根据之前公布的计划，这条新地铁线原本设有18个地铁站，从兀兰一直往南延伸，途经宏茂桥、哥本峇鲁（Kebun Baru）、新民、汤申和金声区，直通中央商业区（CBD）和滨海湾。
汤申线会在滨海湾与预计2020年启用的新东区线（Eastern Region Line）连接。
采用4节车厢
有别于现有的地铁线，汤申线采用4节车厢的列车设计。目前，人流量最高的南北与东西线和东北线使用的是客容量较大的6节车厢列车，即将在今年第四季全面通车的环线列车则设有3节车厢。
LTA受询时说，当局在策划新地铁线的具体路线与运载能力时，考虑的因素包括汤申线在扩大地铁网络的工作上所扮演的角色、公众的乘车习惯，以及本地住宅单位和就业的分布情况。
汤申线将经过多个人口密集的住宅区，包括目前完全没有地铁川行的地区，预计日后的乘客量会相当可观。
专门研究交通模式的新加坡国立大学（NUS）土木工程系副教授李德纮博士指出，如果汤申线采用与环线一样大小的列车，客容量恐怕无法应付日后的需求。（联合早报）
From another forum, someone (user: zoneoutz) translated the above to English below:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=73085073
translation:
"The Thomson Line (slated for completion in 2018) may be longer than originally predicted, with five additional stations, making it a total of 23 stations.
According to the latest Thomson Line tenders by LTA, the line is expected to be 30km long, which exceeds the 27km announced in the LTA Masterplan from three years ago.
The Thomson Line, consisting of 23 stations and 1 depot, will be built completely underground, and will run on a fully-automated driverless system. According to the previously released plans, the line had 18 planned stations, travelling southwards from Woodlands, passing by areas like Ang Mo Kio, Kebun Baru, Sin Ming, Thomson and Kim Seng, direct to the CBD and Marina Bay.
The Thomson Line will connect to the Eastern Region Line (slated for completion in 2020) at Marina Bay.
Unlike the other lines, the Thomson Line will run on 4-car trains. The most heavily-utilised lines (North-South, East-West and North-east Lines) are currently running on 6-car trains, while the Circle Line, which will be fully opened in the fourth quarter of the year, runs on 3-car trains.
When interviewed, LTA stated that some deciding factors during the process of planning the route and capacity of the line included the role Thomson Line would play in expanding the MRT network, commuter habits, and the distribution of residential and commercial space.
As the Thomson Line passes through areas that have no current MRT coverage, its expected future ridership is sizeable.
An NUS professor specialising in Transportation states that the Thomson Line would have trouble coping with rising demands in the future if it were to run on 3-car trains like the Circle Line. "
Junior
All of you very funny.... When gahmen build more lines you say useless, don't build u say the never plan since population increase so fast... I heard from my friend in LTA that the MRT master plan is impressive... Gonna have lines for all parts of Singapore man...
The ultimate aim is to make sure no ones want to drive into the city coz it's more convenient to take mrt....
Those who have been to Tokyo Osaka will know what I mean....
All kinds of different lines connecting to all parts of japan...
it actually make taking train much more convenient then taking cab....
And after a while there you discover that you just follow the masses and it becomes a habit and you just take the train system without thinking about it...
Plus since Singapore so hot and humid, mrt all underground and connected to all buildings, will make it even more popular...
By the wa, the master plan for LTA has many more line than now k.... They are just not firmed up yet.... Itsunder review... At least three more lines...
If they can build another three lines over and above what have been Announced en I think no congestion problem... Tink about it..... Simoang bedok, lim chu kang, still have no mrt lines....
Senior
You missed my point. Building more MRT lines is good, but it is funded by tax payers. So the circle line should have been built over areas that need them most to relieve congestions. Places like Pasir panjang don't need MRT as urgently as other places. If it doesn't maximise benefits, don't bother to build and waste money.
Junior
Both circle and thomson lines sure will win a lot of votes from the northern residence. Been neglected for quite a while already. So much actions everywhere including ulu ponggol and industrial jurong
Bricks & Mortar
Your point is valid, but personally, it is also about timing, eventually Singapore will be very connected by MRT. Perhaps the some stations on the circle did not justify the timing but eventually circle line would still need to be built. I suppose Government of the day, then, (was it Goh's era?) that concept was approved, must have done their feasibility study...
Also, building of infrastructure such as MRT line, do have other positive impact on the economy, jobs creation,etc.
Junior
Like that, becoming a taxi driver is no longer a backup plan
Bricks & Mortar
Still can, drive those merc taxi, corporate visitors still need limousine ...to get around, can't take MRT maLike that, becoming a taxi driver is no longer a backup plan
Music of the night
Unlike the other lines, the Thomson Line will run on 4-car trains. The most heavily-utilised lines (North-South, East-West and North-east Lines) are currently running on 6-car trains, while the Circle Line, which will be fully opened in the fourth quarter of the year, runs on 3-car trains.
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