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    Quote Originally Posted by stalingrad
    Taiwan hikes key interest rate


    TAIPEI - TAIWAN'S central bank raised its key interest rate on Thursday to curb inflation and battle skyrocketing property prices.
    The bank hiked the discount rate by 12.5 basis points to 1.75 per cent faced with inflationary pressure notably from rising commodity prices.
    'As crude oil and grain prices keep rising... the consumer price index is forecast to rise 2.0 per cent this year,' the bank warned in a statement following a board meeting.
    'The board feels that raising interest rates is expected to ease anticipation of further inflation and thus help stabilise prices.' Taiwan's CPI stood at 1.0 per cent in 2010.
    Soaring property prices, signs of a steady economic recovery and healthy exports also prompted the bank to raise rates, it said.
    The island's economy grew 10.82 per cent in 2010, its fastest rate for 24 years, fuelled by rapid expansion in the island's main trading partner China. -- AFP


    Will MAS tighten up its monetary policy to curb inflation instead of hiding behind the "open economy" argument when asked to curb real estate speculation?

    you know what? I bet mas will do nothing, as usual. MAS's motto is growth at all costs.
    Stalingard...... . happy reading

    MAS Monetary Policy Statement

    Date: 14 Oct 2010
    INTRODUCTION
    1 In April this year, MAS re-centred the exchange rate policy band at the prevailing level of the S$NEER, and shifted the policy band from that of a zero percent appreciation path to one of modest and gradual appreciation. This policy decision took into account the strong rebound of the Singapore economy from the downturn and incipient inflationary pressures emanating from domestic and external sources.
    Chart 1
    S$ Nominal Effective Exchange Rate (S$NEER)

    2 Since then, the S$NEER (Chart 1) has fluctuated in the upper half of the policy band, reflecting investors’ assessment of the more favourable growth outlook for Asia compared to the weaker prospects of the advanced economies. Against conditions of abundant liquidity globally, the domestic three-month interbank rate has eased further to 0.50% as at end-September this year.

    OUTLOOK FOR 2010 AND 2011

    3 Following the exceptionally strong pace of expansion in the first half of this year, the Singapore economy contracted by 19.8% on a quarter-on-quarter seasonally adjusted annualised basis in Q3 2010, according to the Advance Estimates released by the Ministry of Trade and Industry today. This reflected a sharp pullback in pharmaceutical output and some moderation in the underlying growth momentum in the rest of the economy, particularly in the trade-related industries.1 The downshift in economic growth in the second half of the year was largely expected as the temporary boost from inventory restocking waned and some pharmaceutical plants switched to the production of a different value-mix of active ingredients. Notwithstanding the sequential contraction in Q3, the economy recorded growth of 15.5% year-on-year in the first three quarters of this year. For 2010 as a whole, GDP is on track to grow by 13% to 15%.
    4 Looking ahead, economic activity in the major industrial economies is likely to expand at a slower pace, following a fairly brisk recovery from the recession. Unemployment remains elevated and credit growth subdued. With fiscal consolidation underway, the pace of transition to private demand-led growth in the G3 economies is expected to be gradual. In Asia, growth will be supported by robust domestic demand and a resilient financial sector. While some slowdown is expected, overall economic conditions in the region should stay firm. Against this backdrop, the level of economic activity in Singapore is projected to remain high across a broad range of industries although growth could further ease in the near term. In 2011, the domestic economy will continue to expand but at a more sustainable rate in line with its growth potential.
    5 Domestic CPI inflation rose significantly from 0.9% in Q1 2010 to 3.1% in Q2, and edged up further to 3.2% in July-August. While inflation has been largely driven by higher car and commodity prices so far this year, other domestic sources of cost pressures have emerged amidst buoyant economic conditions. For instance, the costs of accommodation and domestic-oriented services accounted for more than half of CPI inflation on a sequential basis in July-August. With the economy already operating at close to full employment, labour cost pressures have picked up and will persist into 2011. Externally, food commodity prices have risen, in part due to the recent supply disruptions. More of these costs could potentially be passed on to consumers in a strengthened domestic economy. Even as base effects dissipate, the build-up in sequential price increases will cause the headline CPI inflation rate to rise to around 4% by the end of 2010 and stay high in the first half of 2011 before moderating.

    MONETARY POLICY

    6 The Singapore economy will continue to expand, although at a slower and more sustainable pace after recovering robustly from the downturn. At the same time, domestic cost pressures are rising, given the high level of resource utilisation in the economy and tight labour market in particular, as well as the diminishing boost from the cyclical uplift in productivity seen earlier this year. Thus, the balance of risks is weighted towards inflation going forward.
    7 MAS will therefore continue with the policy of a modest and gradual appreciation of the S$NEER policy band in the period ahead. However, the slope of the policy band will be increased slightly, with no change to the level at which the band is centred. The policy band will at the same time be widened slightly in view of the volatility across international financial markets. This policy stance will remain supportive of economic growth while seeking to cap CPI inflation at 2-3% in 2011 from 2.5-3.0% in 2010, and ensure medium-term price stability. The MAS underlying inflation measure, which excludes the cost of accommodation and private road transport, is expected to average around 2% in 2010 and 2-3% next year.

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    when inflation is running at the 5-6% rate, the sing dollar exchange should be much higher to curb imported inflation. also, does it amaze you that with 14% growth per year, interest rates are still so low, at less than 1%? shouldn't MAS reconsider this gradual appreciation policy? it is not working definitely.

    electric bills for everyone has just gone up by 6.5%. this wouldn't have to happen if the exchange rates are raised more vigorously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalingrad
    when inflation is running at the 5-6% rate, the sing dollar exchange should be much higher to curb imported inflation. also, does it amaze you that with 14% growth per year, interest rates are still so low, at less than 1%? shouldn't MAS reconsider this gradual appreciation policy? it is not working definitely.

    electric bills for everyone has just gone up by 6.5%. this wouldn't have to happen if the exchange rates are raised more vigorously.
    It is always an intricate balance for MAS. Depending on what they want and obviously last year when they easily achieve record GDP, they'll try to ensure that our dollar don't climb too fast. This would result in inflation for our people and they can easily explained that the whole world is going through the same inflation. To me, it is clear which way I'll take if I'm the govt.

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    Default Prices up 2.1%

    http://www.ura.gov.sg/pr/text/2011/pr11-38.html

    CCR: +0.9%
    RCR: +2.2%
    OCR: +3.1%

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    Slowdown in price growth for public and private housing in Q1
    Travis Teo
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    Friday, 1 April 2011, 1328 hrs


    Singapore property market

    Resale prices of public and private housing recorded slowdown in the first quarter of this year.

    Resale prices of HDB flats are up 1.6% in the first quarter, a slowdown from the previous quarter which saw prices increase by 2.5%.

    This is according to estimates released by the Housing & Development Board.

    It added that it will offer 22,000 new Build-to-Order or BTO flats this year if demand is sustained.

    Singapore's private property prices also saw a slowdown in growth, rising 2.1% in the first quarter, compared to 2.7% in the previous quarter.

    The Urban Redevelopment Authority estimates showed that growth is led by the suburban areas which went up by 3.1%.

    This is followed by prices in the city fringe areas which grew 2.2%, and the prime city areas which grew 0.9%.

    The slowdown in price increase for both public and private housing came after strong cooling measures were introduced by the government earlier this year.

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    1 quarter 2%, 4 qtr 8% also very strong wor

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    It's e momentum hence sentiment that is turning... the results of e election will have significant impact on e govt policies which will afftect sentiment either upwards or downwards. If e policy is to sacrifice economic growth slightly n reduce congestion n inflation, then it will not b good for property price growth.

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    Import more foreign talents sustains the basic housing needs.

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    From URA:

    "Supply in the Pipeline
    As at 4Q2010, there was a total supply of 65,699 uncompleted units from private housing projects in the pipeline.1 Of these, 33,000 units were still unsold. This supply can last for about 3 years based on the historical annual take-up over the past 5 years. This supply also does not take into account new sites that were recently sold2 or will be made available for development through the Government Land Sales (GLS) programme. Prospective home-buyers are advised to take into consideration the ample pipeline supply of private housing, as well as the potential supply of private housing from GLS sites, when making decisions on property purchase."

    What are they trying to tell home-buyers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fclim
    From URA:

    "Supply in the Pipeline
    As at 4Q2010, there was a total supply of 65,699 uncompleted units from private housing projects in the pipeline.1 Of these, 33,000 units were still unsold. This supply can last for about 3 years based on the historical annual take-up over the past 5 years. This supply also does not take into account new sites that were recently sold2 or will be made available for development through the Government Land Sales (GLS) programme. Prospective home-buyers are advised to take into consideration the ample pipeline supply of private housing, as well as the potential supply of private housing from GLS sites, when making decisions on property purchase."

    What are they trying to tell home-buyers?
    It's coming down sharply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    It's coming down sharply?
    Then why implement cooling measures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    http://www.ura.gov.sg/pr/text/2011/pr11-38.html

    CCR: +0.9%
    RCR: +2.2%
    OCR: +3.1%
    Hi sorry for this silly Q, but District 15 comes under which category?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fclim
    Prospective home-buyers are advised to take into consideration the ample pipeline supply of private housing, as well as the potential supply of private housing from GLS sites, when making decisions on property purchase."

    What are they trying to tell home-buyers?
    Dun rush to buy OCR projects. Plenty of supply coming. Those already sold and going to be sold under GLS are almost all OCR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sufri
    Hi sorry for this silly Q, but District 15 comes under which category?
    RCR. . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by amk
    Dun rush to buy OCR projects. Plenty of supply coming. Those already sold and going to be sold under GLS are almost all OCR.
    that is very misleading. there are 10,000 unoccupied condos in CCR even as we speak.

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    Stanlingrad really funny.... Always trying tp slam CCR so that when prices drop he can buy? By the way, singapore market goes up and down together, so if CCR drop OCR will also drop...

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    So the forecast for the next few quarters is still price increase, but at a slow 1 to 2% per quarter?

    Unless some international/asian financial crisis happens.

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    The only way Singapore market can go down is from another global crisis... If you look at our history, it's always from crisis that market go down... Never from measures....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalingrad
    that is very misleading. there are 10,000 unoccupied condos in CCR even as we speak.
    no wonder pple say CCR owners are rich. Buy and but there, no need rental to cover.... power.

    Unless u suggesting CCR is inferior to OCR condo. wait... 10k units unoccupied then y holland road jam to Orchard road, then jam to river valley?

    pple dont like to stay in CCR but all like to travel to Orchard/Holland/River valley? So.... y u think got so much jam in Holland n Orchard?

    Anyone got answer? so confusing...

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    Have la.

    1997 inplement of capital tax. Drop some, than follow by currency crisis.

    Quote Originally Posted by CCR
    The only way Singapore market can go down is from another global crisis... If you look at our history, it's always from crisis that market go down... Never from measures....

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    some parts RCR but some parts are OCR. e.g. telok kurau, St. Pat's. the more eastern side of D15 are OCR.

    Quote Originally Posted by sufri
    Hi sorry for this silly Q, but District 15 comes under which category?

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    Assuming its in the interest of developers not to have a major price drop, will they behave like a cartel and hold unsold units in an attempt to probe up property prices? What u guys think?

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    while teddy will agree with u and i do not wish to get into another argument of need rental to cover or not, i have seen some "specuvestors" who do need rental to cover for CCR, especially bot during the 2007 peak, there will be some (i do not know the number, maybe just a handful?) who will struggle at 2%+ current rental yields.

    if CCR owners don't need rental, then why are there such adverts? some r such nice penthouses, if dun stay also should leave empty mah. rent out for others to damage is so sad.

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ent-ardmore-ii

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ent-ardmore-ii

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...-thomas-suites

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ess-residences

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...rent-montebleu

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...th-by-the-cove

    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    no wonder pple say CCR owners are rich. Buy and but there, no need rental to cover.... power.

    Unless u suggesting CCR is inferior to OCR condo. wait... 10k units unoccupied then y holland road jam to Orchard road, then jam to river valley?

    pple dont like to stay in CCR but all like to travel to Orchard/Holland/River valley? So.... y u think got so much jam in Holland n Orchard?

    Anyone got answer? so confusing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    while teddy will agree with u and i do not wish to get into another argument of need rental to cover or not, i have seen some "specuvestors" who do need rental to cover for CCR, especially bot during the 2007 peak, there will be some (i do not know the number, maybe just a handful?) who will struggle at 2%+ current rental yields.

    if CCR owners don't need rental, then why are there such adverts? some r such nice penthouses, if dun stay also should leave empty mah. rent out for others to damage is so sad.

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ent-ardmore-ii

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ent-ardmore-ii

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...-thomas-suites

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...ess-residences

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...rent-montebleu

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listi...th-by-the-cove
    no no no, this is singapore, not china. Pple buy house sure rent out one, we make rational decision. I m questioning y CCR got 10k units vacant as suggest by stalingard. i find it funny that only OCR can rent out buy CCR got 10k empty. CCR got ghost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    Assuming its in the interest of developers not to have a major price drop, will they behave like a cartel and hold unsold units in an attempt to probe up property prices? What u guys think?
    Its already like that...all got power to hold.

    During 2008, the launch and preview of Livia, CDL was condamned by other developers for launching at lower than expected price.

    Then the great financial crisis came later so most developers have no choice but to relaunch some units at special starbuy prices.

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    we may want to look at the 08-09 period. offhand i can't remember all the projects but others may wish to contribute.

    some projects which sold a handful of units in 07 subsequently was relaunched soon after the market bottomed in early 09. for e.g. The Wharf (Capitaland), Martin Place (Fraser). these are big listed companies, certainly not without holding power! they still cut price.

    in novelty's case, they were so desperate they cut lucida's price to 1100 (any floor same price) so pple started buying from top down.


    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    Assuming its in the interest of developers not to have a major price drop, will they behave like a cartel and hold unsold units in an attempt to probe up property prices? What u guys think?

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    all this suggestion points to 1 thing, suddenly because of CM4, and 10k unoccupied units in CCR + MBT assurance....... A major correction is coming. Is that the sentiments you guys are hinting??

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    i m not sure how many empty units there are. but as bro devilplate had mentioned, on the ground, rental asking above 8k are having problems finding tenants. so happens that current TOP spree is on these big units which will demand 8k or more rental: Duchess Resi, Trillium, Latitude, St. Thomas Suites, Ardmore II and more coming. may need some time to digest these but i have no doubt that once this is digested over the next year or two, the supply in CCR will be very limited.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    no no no, this is singapore, not china. Pple buy house sure rent out one, we make rational decision. I m questioning y CCR got 10k units vacant as suggest by stalingard. i find it funny that only OCR can rent out buy CCR got 10k empty. CCR got ghost?

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    dunno about the 10k lah. its always hard to say how many pple need rental to cover. as teddy would say, most indos and other rich buy to leave empty.

    i (i can't speak for the rest) m not hinting anything becoz i seriously dunno becoz the low interest rates mean most pple can continue to tahan. As Warren Buffett would say, "When the tide goes out (in this case, if interest rates go up), then we will know who has been swimming naked."

    for now need to observe more, can't see any correction coming yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    all this suggestion points to 1 thing, suddenly because of CM4, and 10k unoccupied units in CCR + MBT assurance....... A major correction is coming. Is that the sentiments you guys are hinting??

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    Wrong price point lah. No need to have ghosts. Just lower price probably can rent out already. Unfortunately, even at this price point, yield is already pathetic, and if lower some more, it's a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    no no no, this is singapore, not china. Pple buy house sure rent out one, we make rational decision. I m questioning y CCR got 10k units vacant as suggest by stalingard. i find it funny that only OCR can rent out buy CCR got 10k empty. CCR got ghost?

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