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    http://www.straitstimes.com/Singapor...ry_607814.html

    Nov 27, 2010

    Parking disputes get nasty at condo

    Residents riled by new rules that see their cars clamped

    By Amanda Tan


    TEMPERS are flaring at a condominium in Marine Parade over fees which residents who own more than one car have to pay.

    Cars have been clamped, heated arguments have raged at management council meetings and police reports have been lodged following a row at The Seaview.

    Some council members even claimed they had been harassed by residents.

    It is the latest in a string of disputes over parking issues at condos, where space is at a premium due to high land prices and space constraints. But it is one of the few to turn ugly.

    Sixteen cars were clamped at The Seaview in a single day, on Nov 8. And about 30 cars have been clamped in total, because their owners did not comply with the rules. Residents have to pay about $150 each to have the clamps removed.

    The chairman of the management council, Ms L.K. Tan, told The Straits Times that an unhappy resident banged on her door early in the morning to demand explanations about the parking rules. She said the resident later snatched a security guard's keys and unlocked a wheel clamp.

    Residents who complied with the rules and paid the fees were also allegedly threatened that their cars would be scratched, The Straits Times has learnt.

    The dispute arose when the management council started enforcing parking fees for owners with more than one car. Each home owner at the 546-unit condo, which is more than two years old and has local and expatriate residents, is allowed one free parking space.

    The fees were put in place at the condo's first annual general meeting last year. Car owners were supposed to pay $120 a month for their second vehicle, $150 for the third, and $200 for the fourth. But because there were still ample parking spaces for those with more than one car, the management did not make the residents pay the fees.

    Last month, during a review of parking spaces at a council meeting, members found that spaces at the estate were oversubscribed, with 652 vehicle registrations for 546 spaces available for residents. To solve the problem, the management council started enforcing the payment rule and raised fees for the third and fourth car to $300 and $400 respectively. It has since reduced the amounts for all cars by $50.

    Residents unhappy with the rule said there are enough parking spaces and questioned why it is being enforced now.

    A housewife, who wanted to be known only as Mrs Lum, said six residents surveyed the carpark over two nights last week and found there were enough free spaces. 'I don't know why the management says the carpark is full when it is not. It is unjustified,' the 61-year-old said.

    She added that she does 'not mind paying if the management can prove that it is more than 86 per cent occupied'.

    The new rules were enforced on Nov 8, after one week of reminders to residents to pay for their extra vehicles, said the council. Police confirmed several reports against unruly residents had been lodged and said they are looking into the matter.

    The council has engaged a lawyer, Mr Samuel Seow of Samuel Seow Law Corporation, to act on its behalf. It is looking into possible defamation and criminal charges.

    Not all residents are unhappy with the new rules. Analyst Tan Jit Ming, 37, who has two cars, said: 'It's only fair that you pay if you want more than your entitlement.'

    It is not uncommon for condos, especially the newer ones, to impose parking fees for a resident's second car onwards.

    Mr Francis Zhan, chief executive of the Association of Management Corporations in Singapore, said: 'Due to land constraints and the increasing price of space, newer condos have less space than the older ones, which may have ratios like 1.5 lots per household.'

    The Straits Times reported in April that police were called to mediate after security guards towed away a family's Mercedes at a condo in Hillview Avenue.

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    Bringing disrepute to what is possibly a better condo in that area.

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    The MC didn't communicate to its residents properly. It should have just sound out the residents by showing the car statistics and project the growth to show the next 1 year when it will cause issue. Then implement over the next few months. Seeing your car clamped can really send your temper to the roof as sometimes you are in a rush to use the car for urgent matters or going to office.

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    the mc is hiring lawyer to sue resident? Using the fund from residents? How can? Even if there is misconduct on the part of mc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komo
    the mc is hiring lawyer to sue resident? Using the fund from residents? How can? Even if there is misconduct on the part of mc?
    I think it is right for the MCST to engage lawyer in order for them to enforce the house rule if necessary.

    I fully support the MCST of The Seaview as those disagreed to the carpark charges are simply too much, see how did this guy blocked the carpark entrance (see New paper)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    I think it is right for the MCST to engage lawyer in order for them to enforce the house rule if necessary.

    I fully support the MCST of The Seaview as those disagreed to the carpark charges are simply too much, see how did this guy blocked the carpark entrance (see New paper)
    Agree - usually there are only a couple of black sheep that needs to be kept in tow. You have to pay more if you want more than your entitlement, simple as that. There are idiots who demand 3, 4 parking lots just because they stay in a duplex and pay more maintenance fees.You can have 2 lots if you own 2 units but not because if your unit is bigger than others.

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    Agree .. Tis indeed is n ultimate disgust ...fogeign talent goto chop space for their lalative
    Quote Originally Posted by mantrix
    Agree - usually there are only a couple of black sheep that needs to be kept in tow. You have to pay more if you want more than your entitlement, simple as that. There are idiots who demand 3, 4 parking lots just because they stay in a duplex and pay more maintenance fees.You can have 2 lots if you own 2 units but not because if your unit is bigger than others.

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    reduce Visitor lots, implement hourly-parking charges for visitors too ~

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    Tats a great idea n win-win too ultimately monies collected go back to the mcst building fund benefiting all
    Quote Originally Posted by august
    reduce Visitor lots, implement hourly-parking charges for visitors too ~

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    Blocking the carpark exit is very extreme. Simply low class. And there many such people in our society. Good luck to you if you stay near these people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban
    Bringing disrepute to what is possibly a better condo in that area.
    Condo quality is good yes however one can never guarantee the quality of its residents. Project with more units get increased chances of having resident who might be major uncivilised cb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpepperj
    Blocking the carpark exit is very extreme. Simply low class. And there many such people in our society. Good luck to you if you stay near these people.
    Also good lah
    he got a very serious stern warning from the police on the spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    Also good lah
    he got a very serious stern warning from the police on the spot.
    You will be surprised with what they would and would not do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    Also good lah
    he got a very serious stern warning from the police on the spot.
    it is disgusting ...

    for him to block the entrance and claim his mechanic coming from JB

    the police should have cuff him and towed the car away

    i think the mtgm and security already give face to him

    with just a warning ..he wins already

    next time he will do it again ..when he cant get his things done


    this kind of people only know how to bully the weaker one .. if govt implement a policy that he doesnt like .. you think he dares to drive his car and block the parliament ?

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    Chow kuan this old bugger. Want to own multiple cars must also be prepared to fork out more money mah.

    You mean HDB carpark charge only 1 season parking even if you have 4 cars parked there meh?

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    warnings + records on his p.file as evidence against his future wrong doings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    Also good lah
    he got a very serious stern warning from the police on the spot.

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    it is unavoidable to have some black wolves in private estate... The newspaper usually like to blow the things up...

    Recently an "ahole" parked his 14 workshops car at our estate. Luckily we have a group of active residents which discover the act in the first night of wrong doing. The night sup was buttered and replaced!

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