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Makelele
06-03-07, 16:00
921 Bukit Timah Road (S)589624

It has a land area of approximately 27,570.8 sqm. In its immediate locality are good class bungalows and high end condominium developments.

Eateries like Cold Storage, King Albert Park, Coronation Plaza and Bukit Timah Plaza, good schools like Methodist Girls' School, Ngee Ann Polytechnics and Hwa Chong Junior College and reputable clubhouses like Singapore Island Country Club, Raffles Town Club and our 'close to nature' Singapore Botanic Garden are within easy access, making this an ideal and convenient location.

This is a high end condominium development consisting of 13 blocks with approximately 536 units and basement carpark. These luxurious 3/4 bedroom units are approximately 170 to 200 sqm each. Facilities include clubhouse, swimming pool, water features and tennis courts.


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Unregistered
06-03-07, 19:33
Tessarina and Nexus are not even sold out yet, and now another one launching?? This is bad news for owners of Maplewoods who want to sell at a good price.

Unregistered
13-03-07, 19:58
Tessarina and Nexus are not even sold out yet, and now another one launching?? This is bad news for owners of Maplewoods who want to sell at a good price.

I do not think that Allgreen will launch this any time soon. They will watch the market closely especially in this location to pick a good time for launch.

ahlahdin
14-05-07, 16:37
Expected average launch price: $900 psf

Unregistered
14-05-07, 18:07
Expected average launch price: $900 psf

Fair pricing.

insanity
14-05-07, 19:54
I dun think it will eventually be so cheap. Maybe this is just preview price. I heard when they launch it will be around $1100 psf. Why cheaper than Jardin huh? I know it is a little congested here with so many condos around but is Jardin's location any better?

jrdl
14-05-07, 21:08
"Why cheaper than Jardin huh?" Far East is overly ambitious and it is not surprising if Jardin is not sold out even after TOP....

Unregistered
15-05-07, 22:09
I dun think it will eventually be so cheap. Maybe this is just preview price. I heard when they launch it will be around $1100 psf. Why cheaper than Jardin huh? I know it is a little congested here with so many condos around but is Jardin's location any better?

Far East mah.... they think they are Wheelock or something ....

Unregistered
15-05-07, 22:54
A ERA agent invited me to preview. Said indicative price of Cascadia is $1100 to 1300psf

Unregistered
18-05-07, 22:55
A ERA agent invited me to preview. Said indicative price of Cascadia is $1100 to 1300psf

Did you go to the preview? How're the units?

roza sure bagus
18-05-07, 23:05
Far East mah.... they think they are Wheelock or something ....


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Unregistered
09-06-07, 23:18
I saw there're a few agents outside the showflat today. Is is open for booking already? What's the pricing like?

Unregistered
12-06-07, 22:43
1200~1300 psf

charis0
12-06-07, 22:53
That's cheap considering that Maplewoods resale is now going at 1000-1100 psf!!! :scared-5:

Unregistered
12-06-07, 23:11
Jardin, next to Gardenvista asking ~$1400psf.
So, Cascadia seems a better buy.

Unregistered
12-06-07, 23:26
Heard that more than 200 cheques collected for 1 phase launch... meaning 1st phase more or less fully sold...

Unregistered
12-06-07, 23:35
Heard that more than 200 cheques collected for 1 phase launch... meaning 1st phase more or less fully sold...

Bad sign! Means actual pricing will be higher than that.

Unregistered
23-06-07, 00:46
Bad sign! Means actual pricing will be higher than that.

what is the current pricing?Has Nexus next to it sold out?

Unregistered
23-06-07, 01:12
NEXUS is fully sold out.

Unregistered
23-06-07, 02:10
I rather look at Raintree further up. Resale units ~$650-$700psf only.
TOP2008.

Unregistered
25-06-07, 23:52
Raintree is leasehold. Of cos cheaper lah :)

Unregistered
26-06-07, 00:43
Raintree is leasehold. Of cos cheaper lah :)

Is half the price justifiable?

DC
03-07-07, 23:02
Just received agent update that this will be previewed by mid july @1300~1500 psf. Sounds like too wide a gap compared to Duchess Residence nothwithstanding the difference in district.

ahlahdin
11-07-07, 17:22
$900 psf? dream on! :D

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Unregistered
15-07-07, 22:47
when is this launching?

moonk123
19-11-08, 21:19
Project Name-THE CASCADIA
Developer-Boonridge Pte Ltd(Allgreen Properties)
Property Type-Condominium
Tenure - Freehold
Total Units - 536
Completion Date - est 31 dec 2014
District - 21

1 bedroom / Studio (570 - 710sf)
2 bedroom (882 - 1162sf)
3 bedroom (1173 - 1356sf)
4 bedroom (1410 - 1593sf)
Penthouse (1679 - 5231sf)

take a 720 degree virtual tour from

http://www.virtualhomes.sg/thecascadia

sushi
06-03-09, 23:05
Any idea when is it going to TOP? hear say it will TOP by 2011. Any chance to get a unit under $1000psf?? :cheers1:

dimspice
20-07-09, 10:04
Are they still marketing this project or stopped for the time being?

Mongoose
17-05-10, 10:01
read in the papers that this proj will be launched this week.
or is this actually a "re-launch"???

Was there an earlier launch or preview in 2008 or 2009? if so, anyone know what kind of pricing it was then, and what's expected pricing now?

bargain hunter
17-05-10, 11:34
its a relaunch, last launched in 2007. 2 foreign funds bought at 1500psf but a handful of buyers paid 1700 to 1800psf at the peak. current indicative is 1300 to 1600psf. i think may TOP at year end or early next year.



read in the papers that this proj will be launched this week.
or is this actually a "re-launch"???

Was there an earlier launch or preview in 2008 or 2009? if so, anyone know what kind of pricing it was then, and what's expected pricing now?

teddybear
17-05-10, 13:19
To pay this price for this location? Ha ha ha!
But then to think again, nothing is impossible if The Vision can sell at S$1300 psf! :scared-1:


its a relaunch, last launched in 2007. 2 foreign funds bought at 1500psf but a handful of buyers paid 1700 to 1800psf at the peak. current indicative is 1300 to 1600psf. i think may TOP at year end or early next year.

bargain hunter
17-05-10, 13:26
will be interesting to see if people will bite. hope someone who is following the preview this week can update us on the sales figures. :)


To pay this price for this location? Ha ha ha!
But then to think again, nothing is impossible if The Vision can sell at S$1300 psf! :scared-1:

devilplate
17-05-10, 13:52
its a relaunch, last launched in 2007. 2 foreign funds bought at 1500psf but a handful of buyers paid 1700 to 1800psf at the peak. current indicative is 1300 to 1600psf. i think may TOP at year end or early next year.

In early 2007, i was told by knight frank agts tat indicative prices was 1100-1300psf and i submitted chq...ended up delay till mid 07 and marketed overseas at 1700psf..:sleep:

Mongoose
17-05-10, 13:55
To pay this price for this location? Ha ha ha!
But then to think again, nothing is impossible if The Vision can sell at S$1300 psf! :scared-1:

well... floridian was already going at 1250psf - 1300psf in june09, just before the mkt picked up again.
i think vision is only about 1000 - 1100psf on avg, not 1300psf, altho i agree that even at 1100psf its pricey for a 99yr devt.

cascadia location is not too bad along bt timah, but kinda stuck btw 2 future mrt stations (blackmore and 6th ave i think).

the new showflat is actually along old holland road behind MGS. have been driving past it for a while now.

bargain hunter
17-05-10, 14:29
LOL....same here! :cheers4: waited till the cows come home and they NEVER launched until the peak!



In early 2007, i was told by knight frank agts tat indicative prices was 1100-1300psf and i submitted chq...ended up delay till mid 07 and marketed overseas at 1700psf..:sleep:

bargain hunter
17-05-10, 14:32
its a pity. the old showflat from 2007 was hardly used, done up nicely, kept empty for ages, then torn down. :doh:



well... floridian was already going at 1250psf - 1300psf in june09, just before the mkt picked up again.
i think vision is only about 1000 - 1100psf on avg, not 1300psf, altho i agree that even at 1100psf its pricey for a 99yr devt.

cascadia location is not too bad along bt timah, but kinda stuck btw 2 future mrt stations (blackmore and 6th ave i think).

the new showflat is actually along old holland road behind MGS. have been driving past it for a while now.

devilplate
17-05-10, 15:07
LOL....same here! :cheers4: waited till the cows come home and they NEVER launched until the peak!

another similar case: novelis @ novena....submitted chq for the 2 penthses as i was indicated ard 1100psf or even lesser by Huttons. ended up sold to a ppty firm...:sleep: (but serves them right, they cannot make much $ and still trying to let go) :D :D :D

teddybear
17-05-10, 15:33
During peak hours, e.g. evening 6.30pm-8pm, Bukit Timah road from Robin Road junction northwards towards Ngee Ann Poly direction always jam like hell!
(Similarly for southwards travel in morning peak hours from Ngee Ann side).


well... floridian was already going at 1250psf - 1300psf in june09, just before the mkt picked up again.
i think vision is only about 1000 - 1100psf on avg, not 1300psf, altho i agree that even at 1100psf its pricey for a 99yr devt.

cascadia location is not too bad along bt timah, but kinda stuck btw 2 future mrt stations (blackmore and 6th ave i think).

the new showflat is actually along old holland road behind MGS. have been driving past it for a while now.

Mongoose
17-05-10, 21:07
During peak hours, e.g. evening 6.30pm-8pm, Bukit Timah road from Robin Road junction northwards towards Ngee Ann Poly direction always jam like hell!
(Similarly for southwards travel in morning peak hours from Ngee Ann side).

with the amt of cars on the road these days, its perpetually jammed every you go btw 8am - 9am, and 6pm - 8pm. even if not jammed, traffic is heavy, and slows to a crawl.

i can't think of any major arterial roads that are free flowing that during these hours - that's why its called peak hour traffic. even within hdb estates e.g. in choa chu kang, or punggol/sengkang, getting out of the estate takes some 15 - 20 min for some pple in the mornings.

bargain hunter
21-05-10, 08:31
Published May 21, 2010
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/mnt/static/image/ax/c.gif
MGPA offloads 162 Cascadia units to Alpha fund

By KALPANA RASHIWALA

(SINGAPORE) Private equity property group MGPA is understood to have sold its stake in the 162 apartments it bought at The Cascadia in 2007 to a fund managed by Keppel Land's Alpha Investment Partners.

BT understands the latest sale priced the freehold apartments on Bukit Timah Road at about $1,280- 1,300 per square foot on average. This is about 10-12 per cent below the $1,450 psf average price or $280.36 million that MGPA paid for the units more than three years ago.

livenlove
21-05-10, 10:30
Hi,
Drove passed the showflat on way home along Blackmore Drive at arnd 6.30pm yesterday, saw showflat carpark full and cars parked on roadside extending more than 150m-wow!
If the price is really $1280-1300 psf assuming for 3brm 1300 or so sqft. would be IMO very do-able relatively speaking for the area.
Any forumer actually been to the showflat and able to feedback on actual $, etc.


Published May 21, 2010
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/mnt/static/image/ax/c.gif
MGPA offloads 162 Cascadia units to Alpha fund

By KALPANA RASHIWALA

(SINGAPORE) Private equity property group MGPA is understood to have sold its stake in the 162 apartments it bought at The Cascadia in 2007 to a fund managed by Keppel Land's Alpha Investment Partners.

BT understands the latest sale priced the freehold apartments on Bukit Timah Road at about $1,280- 1,300 per square foot on average. This is about 10-12 per cent below the $1,450 psf average price or $280.36 million that MGPA paid for the units more than three years ago.

G17
21-05-10, 10:39
I think the launch price is $1500 to 1600psf.

bargain hunter
21-05-10, 11:09
1280 to 1300 is the 162 unit bulk purchase price which keppel land fund bought from MPG foreign fund. They will probably hold till TOP to rent out or sell at the price then. I think Allgreen's price is 1300 to 1600psf, some agents sms said 1400 to 1700psf.

1280 to 1300psf of course do-able. :D but not available.


Hi,
Drove passed the showflat on way home along Blackmore Drive at arnd 6.30pm yesterday, saw showflat carpark full and cars parked on roadside extending more than 150m-wow!
If the price is really $1280-1300 psf assuming for 3brm 1300 or so sqft. would be IMO very do-able relatively speaking for the area.
Any forumer actually been to the showflat and able to feedback on actual $, etc.

livenlove
21-05-10, 17:30
Hi,
Thought so- too good to be true!:mad:
No need to rush down this evening then.
Tks


1280 to 1300 is the 162 unit bulk purchase price which keppel land fund bought from MPG foreign fund. They will probably hold till TOP to rent out or sell at the price then. I think Allgreen's price is 1300 to 1600psf, some agents sms said 1400 to 1700psf.

1280 to 1300psf of course do-able. :D but not available.

bargain hunter
21-05-10, 21:56
since you seem to stay so near, should go down. they already advertise on tv today, tomorrow should see a crowd. :) seems like you will be the only one able to update us on the sales status. :) rather quiet on this thread otherwise.




Hi,
Thought so- too good to be true!:mad:
No need to rush down this evening then.
Tks

bargain hunter
21-05-10, 21:57
i think the quantum should be ok, psf same as floridian but smaller sq ft so quantum is probably market rate.


Hi,
Thought so- too good to be true!:mad:
No need to rush down this evening then.
Tks

peterng8
22-05-10, 15:55
I think the launch price is $1500 to 1600psf.


went down just now...1 bed room at S$860 000 (minimum) at 570sqft 3rd floor price quoted after discount...

devilplate
22-05-10, 17:54
went down just now...1 bed room at S$860 000 (minimum) at 570sqft 3rd floor price quoted after discount...

1500psf...not too bad..hmm much better den the wat jln anak bukit...similar psf

peterng8
22-05-10, 19:42
1500psf...not too bad..hmm much better den the wat jln anak bukit...similar psf


The layout also not bad...squarish layout...but seems that not many people are in a rush to buy...there are still alot of so called star buy units (galore as one whole list shown to me)...more choices nowsaday...

devilplate
22-05-10, 20:18
due to EU...

MBR jus sold one 4X-04 1bedder at only 2350psf
FIRESALE

bargain hunter
23-05-10, 00:37
did they say roughly how many units had been sold since the preview?

was the showflat crowded when u dropped by?

i also think the layout is quite alright for an old plan (planter and bay windows design). nothing too excessive.


The layout also not bad...squarish layout...but seems that not many people are in a rush to buy...there are still alot of so called star buy units (galore as one whole list shown to me)...more choices nowsaday...

bargain hunter
23-05-10, 00:39
MBR firesale? so fast hit already? i thought usually will take months of down stock market before it happens. market only down for 1 month leh.


due to EU...

MBR jus sold one 4X-04 1bedder at only 2350psf
FIRESALE

devilplate
23-05-10, 01:11
MBR rental yield too low mah...sell 2350psf also ard 1.7mil...rental oni 4.5k max:eek:

1.7mil also can make alot liao...initial launch ard 1300-1500psf

by the way, the mbr seaview facing nth great...lots of cranes + noisy...southbank nicer view hehe

peterng8
23-05-10, 10:19
did they say roughly how many units had been sold since the preview?

was the showflat crowded when u dropped by?

i also think the layout is quite alright for an old plan (planter and bay windows design). nothing too excessive.


ny kids have plenty of space to run around....:D

Rysk
23-05-10, 17:23
MBR rental yield too low mah...sell 2350psf also ard 1.7mil...rental oni 4.5k max:eek:

1.7mil also can make alot liao...initial launch ard 1300-1500psf

by the way, the mbr seaview facing nth great...lots of cranes + noisy...southbank nicer view hehe

Wah! 2350psf good price for developer lor.. property mkt still hv demand..

devilplate
23-05-10, 18:21
just been to cascadia and dunearn suites(spend less den 5min)

Dunearn is a flop 18xxpsf for a studio...such a small piece of land...High end DOG hole? :scared-2:

Cascadia although quite a big plot of land...but feels very cramped...blocked both sides left and right....not much view so to speak...2bedder from 1.4mil+, nicer 1bedder 04-55 is 900k. the only gd thing it is gona TOP end of yr...gd for genuine home buyers. quantum and psf quite high for D21...sales very so-so..similar to flamingo V

other den the 1xxunits sold to Fund hse...4x units r sold to public so far...very poor response...given 5mins walk to king albert park MRT doesnt help :beats-me-man:

Wild Falcon
23-05-10, 22:35
Is the fund just going to rent out the units? The fund with 1xx units would have significant votes during AGM (since 90% of residents do not attend) to veto any decisions :(

bargain hunter
24-05-10, 00:02
that's a good update! :) think i missed dunearn suites advert on sat, still saw one last week, they so fast cut cost already? LOL.

actually, cascadia, although quite a big plot of land, actually for low rise 12 storey to fit in 500+ units, the blocks need to take up quite a lot of the big plot of land so remaining space is not too much left, maybe that's why you feel that its cramp.

40+ sold after preview and 1st weekend launch? :doh: means 300+ to go lor. and we don't even know if the keppel fund which bought at 1280 to 1300psf is going to unload upon TOP or rent them out.

Could the poor response be because its going to TOP soon?! indicating that the recent demand consists more of people who don't intend to stay in the units they bought?




just been to cascadia and dunearn suites(spend less den 5min)

Dunearn is a flop 18xxpsf for a studio...such a small piece of land...High end DOG hole? :scared-2:

Cascadia although quite a big plot of land...but feels very cramped...blocked both sides left and right....not much view so to speak...2bedder from 1.4mil+, nicer 1bedder 04-55 is 900k. the only gd thing it is gona TOP end of yr...gd for genuine home buyers. quantum and psf quite high for D21...sales very so-so..similar to flamingo V

other den the 1xxunits sold to Fund hse...4x units r sold to public so far...very poor response...given 5mins walk to king albert park MRT doesnt help :beats-me-man:

devilplate
24-05-10, 01:00
that's a good update! :) think i missed dunearn suites advert on sat, still saw one last week, they so fast cut cost already? LOL.

actually, cascadia, although quite a big plot of land, actually for low rise 12 storey to fit in 500+ units, the blocks need to take up quite a lot of the big plot of land so remaining space is not too much left, maybe that's why you feel that its cramp.

40+ sold after preview and 1st weekend launch? :doh: means 300+ to go lor. and we don't even know if the keppel fund which bought at 1280 to 1300psf is going to unload upon TOP or rent them out.

Could the poor response be because its going to TOP soon?! indicating that the recent demand consists more of people who don't intend to stay in the units they bought?

not so sure y such a poor response...mabe due to the news about the original fund hse offload at a loss...in fact the pricing not tat ridiculous...nearby resale is oredi 1.1 to 1.2kpsf....given FH and 5mins future MRT...:beats-me-man:

but doesnt entice me...no view, MRT 2015...rental yield quite low....furnishing very mass market...porcelain tiles :scared-3: (agt still say marble quality) :banghead:

jitkiat
24-05-10, 09:36
that's a good update! :) think i missed dunearn suites advert on sat, still saw one last week, they so fast cut cost already? LOL.

actually, cascadia, although quite a big plot of land, actually for low rise 12 storey to fit in 500+ units, the blocks need to take up quite a lot of the big plot of land so remaining space is not too much left, maybe that's why you feel that its cramp.

40+ sold after preview and 1st weekend launch? :doh: means 300+ to go lor. and we don't even know if the keppel fund which bought at 1280 to 1300psf is going to unload upon TOP or rent them out.

Could the poor response be because its going to TOP soon?! indicating that the recent demand consists more of people who don't intend to stay in the units they bought?

For genuine stayers who can afford a 3br here, owning 2 cars + 2 maids and home tutors liao, MRT not that attractive relative to suburbs.

bargain hunter
24-05-10, 09:54
no need (can't fit in also) 2 maids, 3 bedroom not that big in size for a so-called upmarket development. Devilplate said use tiles which agent claims looks like marble? sounds like mass market product selling at upmarket price at the border of the upmarket district.


For genuine stayers who can afford a 3br here, owning 2 cars + 2 maids and home tutors liao, MRT not that attractive relative to suburbs.

bargain hunter
24-05-10, 13:47
wah, even less than what the agent told devilplate. only 30 units? :beats-me-man:


Asia Pacific  Singapore

Real Estate Development (GICS)  Real Estate/Property (Citi)

Company

24 May 2010  7 pages

Allgreen Properties (AGRN.SI)

Downgrade to Sell: Risk of Further Disappointment

 Downgrade to Sell/Low Risk from Buy, TP lowered to $0.93 from S$1.38 — We
are cutting our FY10E earnings by 21% following disappointing sales at Cascadia
and assuming delays in new launches. Facing more downside risk, the stock is
likely to trade at an RNAV discount of 50% (previous 25%), on our analysis.

 Lackluster performance in residential properties — A showflat visit revealed that
sales at The Cascadia, along Bukit Timah Road, have been disappointing, with
approximately 30 units sold (out of around 140 units launched) during the first
weekend of its launch. Concurrently, MGPA, the previous buyer of 162 units
Cascadia’s initial phase, has sold its stake to Alpha Investment Partners at an
estimated 10-12% loss.

 Launches likely to be delayed — Allgreen will pace the release of other projects
like RV Residences, Riverbay and Riviera 38 in line market demand. Citing
increasing demand from buyers, future projects are expected to be launched with
a higher proportion of smaller (450 sq ft) units. Given Allgreen’s current sales
figures, we assume delays in project launches.

 Stable performance from investment properties — Performance from its
investment properties with retail and office rents averages S$7.50 and S$6.80 psf
respectively. Serviced apartments and hotels have also been seeing higher
occupancy rates, with the former above 90% and hotels around 85%. Current
average rents for serviced apartments stand at S$8,500/month and hotel room
rates at S$190/night.

 Increased exposure to China ahead with launch of new projects — Management is
expecting the launch of mixed-use projects in Chengdu (25% stake) in June 2010.
In the pipeline are projects in Tangshan, Shenyang, Tianjin and Qinhuangdao,
with Allgreen having equity interests ranging from 10% to 31%.

Wild Falcon
24-05-10, 14:30
Porcelain tiles disguised as marble flooring? Faint!

I think the "mid-market" new launch is over-valued liao. Primary "mid" market reaching strong resistance at 1400psf. Look at Flamingo, The Shore and this Cascadia, there is no longer demand at such price points. The Meyer cluster bungalow also reduce price by $350k within 2 weeks.

bargain hunter
24-05-10, 14:32
yeah, all these are suppose to be mid market but trying to price themselves as upmarket, thus, the resistance.


Porcelain tiles disguised as marble flooring? Faint!

I think the "mid-market" new launch is over-valued liao. Primary "mid" market reaching strong resistance at 1400psf. Look at Flamingo, The Shore and this Cascadia, there is no longer demand at such price points. The Meyer cluster bungalow also reduce price by $350k within 2 weeks.

livenlove
24-05-10, 14:59
Was looking for 3 to 4 bedrooms: disappointment with very tight indoor space: 3 brm, 4brm were 1180 and 1410-1490sf respectivley. what with the bay windows and planter(but only for living room width and narrow but no balcony) remaining space rather tight.
Understandably the show flat had one bedrm abutting the living removed for a more acceptable living room space; and id had customised beds to built over bay windows in brms, otherwise can hardly walk for showflt visitors.
Both of the order of 1500+psf.
No marble but porcelin: looks quite like homogenous to me.
Quantum I supposed is made more acceptable due to the smaller area.
But personally missing the feel good factor for own stay/family: perhaps mainly not used to the cramped feel as my current 3brms also nearby, is already abt 1400sf and with no bay windows/planters!
Have to look elsewhere.



no need (can't fit in also) 2 maids, 3 bedroom not that big in size for a so-called upmarket development. Devilplate said use tiles which agent claims looks like marble? sounds like mass market product selling at upmarket price at the border of the upmarket district.

bargain hunter
24-05-10, 15:06
yeah, quantum is comfortable but if can't feel comfortable staying in it then no point. size would appeal to hdb upgrades but not the quantum. quantum would appeal to current pte ppty owners but not the size...ok that explains the poor sales. LOL.



Was looking for 3 to 4 bedrooms: disappointment with very tight indoor space: 3 brm, 4brm were 1180 and 1410-1490sf respectivley. what with the bay windows and planter(but only for living room width and narrow but no balcony) remaining space rather tight.
Understandably the show flat had one bedrm abutting the living removed for a more acceptable living room space; and id had customised beds to built over bay windows in brms, otherwise can hardly walk for showflt visitors.
Both of the order of 1500+psf.
No marble but porcelin: looks quite like homogenous to me.
Quantum I supposed is made more acceptable due to the smaller area.
But personally missing the feel good factor for own stay/family: perhaps mainly not used to the cramped feel as my current 3brms also nearby, is already abt 1400sf and with no bay windows/planters!
Have to look elsewhere.

bargain hunter
24-05-10, 15:09
actually allgreen has a similar interior floor plan product called one devonshire launched near the bottom of the market at 1600 to 1800psf which attracted long queues and grabbed. i think pple are more willing to sacrifice size for a high rise skyscraper in a prime location. :)



yeah, quantum is comfortable but if can't feel comfortable staying in it then no point. size would appeal to hdb upgrades but not the quantum. quantum would appeal to current pte ppty owners but not the size...ok that explains the poor sales. LOL.

livenlove
24-05-10, 15:47
I think that basically describes the conundrum.


yeah, quantum is comfortable but if can't feel comfortable staying in it then no point. size would appeal to hdb upgrades but not the quantum. quantum would appeal to current pte ppty owners but not the size...ok that explains the poor sales. LOL.

valariewood18
22-06-10, 21:28
The Cascadia

Condo for Sale@ Bukit Timah Road, District 21

Near Sixth Avenue MRT Station,

Nearby Turf City, Singapore Institute of Management and many other educational institutes.

Badminton hall, BBQ pits, Swimming pool, Basketball court, Clubhouse, Tennis courts

Average psf: S$1528

For pictures and contact details visit: http://bit.ly/aixdx6

leslens
07-07-10, 19:51
I think that basically describes the conundrum.

any updates on sales of cascadia?
when is it TOPing?

Mongoose
07-07-10, 22:54
any updates on sales of cascadia?
when is it TOPing?

i think TOP end of this year.
But sales quite slow. 1450psf for this kind of finishing, and with other projects (old and new) around is not that good value for $
Quite a few stacks not released yet, even those released i heard take up only so-so. Actually for Allgreen proj, I was a bit disappointed.

leslens
23-07-10, 13:18
i think TOP end of this year.
But sales quite slow. 1450psf for this kind of finishing, and with other projects (old and new) around is not that good value for $
Quite a few stacks not released yet, even those released i heard take up only so-so. Actually for Allgreen proj, I was a bit disappointed.

last transacted was psf 13XX
prices are pulling back evidently

devilplate
23-07-10, 13:35
last transacted was psf 13XX
prices are pulling back evidently

prices to me looks pretty same....i doubt got any drop in developer's price lah...if u use small units PSF to compare with low flr bigger units psf...of coz drop lor:D

941 Bukit Timah Road #09-45
Freehold
$1432
1507
$2158k
08 Jul 10
931 Bukit Timah Road #03-22
Freehold
$1377
1238
$1704k
01 Jul 10
939 Bukit Timah Road #02-39
Freehold
$1452
581
$844k
30 Jun 10
935 Bukit Timah Road #03-31
Freehold
$1330
1184
$1575k
28 Jun 10
935 Bukit Timah Road #07-32
Freehold
$1479
883
$1305k
25 Jun 10
939 Bukit Timah Road #07-42
Freehold
$1489
990
$1474k
23 Jun 10
935 Bukit Timah Road #06-34
Freehold
$1408
1184
$1667k
23 Jun 10

leslens
23-07-10, 17:29
well to spot a trend, u got to look into the details and do some homework

it wont be staring at u...

devilplate
23-07-10, 21:57
well to spot a trend, u got to look into the details and do some homework

it wont be staring at u...

wah...so many experts here...:scared-3:

vince.toh70
17-11-10, 01:22
Visited the showflat yesterday, quiet like this development
Pricing around mid $1,400 psf. Comparing to older project,
The Sterling, the asking price is probably mid to high $1,200 psf.
For Sterling, given its age, will need $50psf for renovation.
Need opinion on which of the 2 is a better investment.

bargain hunter
15-12-10, 12:40
30 units sold at median price of 1413psf in nov. 176 units to go.

azeoprop
10-01-11, 16:55
Wonder if there are any more 1 or 2 bedroom units left? :beats-me-man:

bargain hunter
10-01-11, 21:36
i visited the showflat 2 weeks back. i think still have. but pretty close to bukit timah main road.


Wonder if there are any more 1 or 2 bedroom units left? :beats-me-man:

azeoprop
10-01-11, 21:38
Seems like a bargain now if still selling around 1450psf. :beats-me-man: Some more already TOP and brand new.

http://www.thecascadia.com.sg/

bargain hunter
10-01-11, 22:19
i m not sure about 1 bedrooms but the 4+study was quoted at that price. i heard (not sure how true) prices will be raised this friday when buyers may be allowed to view the units that they are keen in. so if u r keen, better take a look in the next few days. :)


Seems like a bargain now if still selling around 1450psf. :beats-me-man: Some more already TOP and brand new.

http://www.thecascadia.com.sg/

focus
27-01-11, 12:02
sianz.. haven't sell finished already hit by flooding news..
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/this_urban_jungle/542812/thunderstorm_hits_bukit_timah_and_leaves_condo_carpark_flooded.html

http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/542812/thumbnail/thunderstorm_hits_bukit_timah_and_leaves_condo_carpark_flooded-thumbnail.jpghttp://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/542814/data/ff_cascadia2-data.jpg

Flooding of basement carpark? this type cannot rectify one right? or can ask developer to rectify with this photo.

stalingrad
27-01-11, 12:21
thanks. I was waiting for the price to drop to 1000-1200psf before pouncing. With these photos, I am not keen even at those prices.

it was just a brief thunder storm. what if one of those once-in-100-years monster storm hits. the whole carpark would turn into another underwater world.

I also heard that maplewoods' carparks got flooded in 2010 a few times.

bargain hunter
27-01-11, 12:33
the most insulting part is the photographer purposely included the signage for the show suite. LOL. how to sell the balance units like that?


sianz.. haven't sell finished already hit by flooding news..
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/this_urban_jungle/542812/thunderstorm_hits_bukit_timah_and_leaves_condo_carpark_flooded.html

http://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/542812/thumbnail/thunderstorm_hits_bukit_timah_and_leaves_condo_carpark_flooded-thumbnail.jpghttp://static.stomp.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/stomp/542814/data/ff_cascadia2-data.jpg

Flooding of basement carpark? this type cannot rectify one right? or can ask developer to rectify with this photo.

mcmlxxvi
27-01-11, 12:39
Wonder if there are any more 1 or 2 bedroom units left? :beats-me-man:

Have but won't be cheap...

The last 1BR sold caveated

945 Bukit Timah Road #03-55 Freehold $1571 570 $896k 24 Nov 10

amk
27-01-11, 12:41
i'm curious to see what the developer has to say/do abt this. can buyers blame "design fault" and demand rectificatoin ? architects pay compensation ? for once consumers sue the big boys and win ? (yea I know wishful thinking)

stalingrad
27-01-11, 13:21
i'm curious to see what the developer has to say/do abt this. can buyers blame "design fault" and demand rectificatoin ? architects pay compensation ? for once consumers sue the big boys and win ? (yea I know wishful thinking)

not design fault. the whole area is prone to flooding. tessarina, maplewoods, and now cascadia. the whole area is now blacklisted.

amk
27-01-11, 14:44
not design fault. the whole area is prone to flooding.

this is not necessarily true. if the area is known to be prone to flooding, the design of the basement carpark should then consider this fact, and design with additional drainage/barrier. had this been a gov project, say a school, the architect and builder will be held responsible. If it's a MRT project, not only they will be held responsible, they may even be charged in court, if serious incidents happen, for "negligence and failure to comply CP###" ! dun believe me ? u can go check some of the tender documents for public projects. too bad we are small flies, and have to look after our interest ourselves.

so yea for once I agree with u: this area is blacklisted ;)

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 15:05
I visited this condo last week. Agent wasn't convincing enough and kept stressing that prices have come down as compared to launch. But wasn't able to convince apple to apple, 3br to 3br. She kept comparing studio's psf to 4br psf. :doh:

Now with flooding, I hope they can drop price. Small land space for 500+ units? :banghead:

azeoprop
27-01-11, 15:36
Luckily never buy....scary. :eek:

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 16:50
The problem is prices doesn't and never seem to drop after flooding issues. Heard majority of units were bought by fund companies thus strong holding power. Agent told me.

Honestly, I would sell mine otherwise a lot of sleepless nights whenever it rains.

gfoo
27-01-11, 17:29
see bay heng..... i was so very tempted to execute on a largish unit here in Oct - first thing i asked was if the carpark will flood. agent said he checked with developer, and gave some cock bull story that no problems as developer has learned from the then recent floods and built it so that it can't happen lah, then another bullshit thing about gradient lah. luckily sentosa cove distracted me.

heng....see bay heng.

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 18:04
see bay heng..... i was so very tempted to execute on a largish unit here in Oct - first thing i asked was if the carpark will flood. agent said he checked with developer, and gave some cock bull story that no problems as developer has learned from the then recent floods and built it so that it can't happen lah, then another bullshit thing about gradient lah. luckily sentosa cove distracted me.

heng....see bay heng.

Why would a HNWI buy cascadia when sentosa cove is affordable? :D

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 18:05
not design fault. the whole area is prone to flooding. tessarina, maplewoods, and now cascadia. the whole area is now blacklisted.

Agent say no flooding. Carpark was wet bcos ah neh washing carpark. :D

leslens
27-01-11, 19:06
Agent say no flooding. Carpark was wet bcos ah neh washing carpark. :D

wonder how tessarina did
so it stands now

blacklist
1. tessarina
2. cascadis

if u wanna know which condos flood, just ask the security guard

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 19:42
wonder how tessarina did
so it stands now

blacklist
1. tessarina
2. cascadis

if u wanna know which condos flood, just ask the security guard

I always make friends with the security guards. They will tell you whether there are flood problems, gambling problems, fighting neighbors problems and even if there were suicides and unnatural deaths in any units.

stalingrad
27-01-11, 19:53
wonder how tessarina did
so it stands now

blacklist
1. tessarina
2. cascadis

if u wanna know which condos flood, just ask the security guard

reviewers on propertyguru.com said that maplewoods also has flooding problems.

gfoo
27-01-11, 20:23
Why would a HNWI buy cascadia when sentosa cove is affordable? :D

sorry who is hnwi? back then cascadia 1400psf, scove 1600psf mah

Wild Falcon
27-01-11, 20:43
This condo looks very very cluttered. Something wrong with the layout. Now with flooding, really CMI liao. I thought flooding problem rectified liao? Didn't some woman come out and say she singlehandedly resolve the flooding problem at Tessarina (and presumably other nearby condos)?

BTW, now all the flooding news are under the radar liao. And the rain wasn't even heavy. Can't imagine heavy rain.


I visited this condo last week. Agent wasn't convincing enough and kept stressing that prices have come down as compared to launch. But wasn't able to convince apple to apple, 3br to 3br. She kept comparing studio's psf to 4br psf. :doh:

Now with flooding, I hope they can drop price. Small land space for 500+ units? :banghead:

land118
27-01-11, 21:20
Total 536 units, wonder how many sold todate. Allgreen will be very sian now. Tis stomp very damaging....jialak for those who bought earlier

leslens
27-01-11, 22:02
reviewers on propertyguru.com said that maplewoods also has flooding problems.

bro, nice try talking down prices to buy at 1000-1200psf :)

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 22:05
sorry who is hnwi? back then cascadia 1400psf, scove 1600psf mah

HNWI = high net worth investor. :)
Woah, now can still get scove 1600psf?

bargain hunter
27-01-11, 22:05
a "keppel alpha fund" or something bot 162 units recently from a macquarie fund. not sure if the intention is to sell or rent these units out. after excluding these, 143 units to go as at end dec 2010.


Total 536 units, wonder how many sold todate. Allgreen will be very sian now. Tis stomp very damaging....jialak for those who bought earlier

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 22:07
bro, nice try talking down prices to buy at 1000-1200psf :)
:D I sure hope prices fall to $1000psf. If can get at $1000psf, I don't care flood or not since tenants don't normally own any cars.

leslens
27-01-11, 22:09
:D I sure hope prices fall to $1000psf. If can get at $1000psf, I don't care flood or not since tenants don't normally own any cars.

i have been monitoring v closely
i was shocked to see tessarina still transacting at >1200psf IMMEDIATELY after the major floods, newspaper reporting of car being submerged

leslens
27-01-11, 22:10
cascadia lay out got real issues

internally: units are too small and cramped for the number of bedrooms
externally, it seems like the swimming pool is too small for so many units and seems fenced in 360 by all blocks in a ring

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 22:11
This is too clustered. I viewed some units and those facing inside, you could see opposite units' bedrooms and hall very clearly. FYI, I have poor vision. :)

mygeemeel
27-01-11, 22:15
i have been monitoring v closely
i was shocked to see tessarina still transacting at >1200psf IMMEDIATELY after the major floods, newspaper reporting of car being submerged

I know one of the owners who owned a patio unit. He told me it's a nice condo and flood or no flood, he will not sell. I guess he super malu, need to save his face. I am very sure buyers would condemn these condos before signing the cheque. Remember: this is after all a prime residential estate.

leslens
27-01-11, 22:18
I know one of the owners who owned a patio unit. He told me it's a nice condo and flood or no flood, he will not sell. I guess he super malu, need to save his face. I am very sure buyers would condemn these condos before signing the cheque. Remember: this is after all a prime residential estate.

tessarina is a very condo with qutie a lot of space between units
a functional pool , a nice pond
the only problem is flooding and v far from future mrt (the farthest)

kane
27-01-11, 23:15
suay luck for the developer. and it wasn't the kind of heavy downpour we saw last year that turned tessarina's carpark into an indoor swimming pool.

HP65
28-01-11, 09:26
see bay heng..... i was so very tempted to execute on a largish unit here in Oct - first thing i asked was if the carpark will flood. agent said he checked with developer, and gave some cock bull story that no problems as developer has learned from the then recent floods and built it so that it can't happen lah, then another bullshit thing about gradient lah. luckily sentosa cove distracted me.

heng....see bay heng.

gfoo, your child is boy or girl? Which school you targeting? Does it need to be within 1km or just near for convenience?

gfoo
28-01-11, 12:57
gfoo, your child is boy or girl? Which school you targeting? Does it need to be within 1km or just near for convenience?

my child girl, still less than a year old so got a few more years to act. exploring non 1km options. mostly the older or mission schools, pref the latter as pastoral care is important to us

HP65
28-01-11, 15:14
my child girl, still less than a year old so got a few more years to act. exploring non 1km options. mostly the older or mission schools, pref the latter as pastoral care is important to us

Of the lot, I would rate Methodist family (MGS, PLMGS, FMPS) and St Marg as possible choices. The presby family of schools you might want to consider too but if i could choose, I will go with the Methodist schools (personal choice). They clearly have a balanced curriculum and will not sacrifice character building over academic performance. I gather this through talking to my sister and friends whose children go to MGS and FMPS. The principal of FMPS told the parents of the P6's there will not be a cut-back in ECA just because of PSLE. They want to send the message across that academic excellence is not at all costs. Good stuff if you ask me.

I also know the VP of MGS and thus I know what are their goals in child education (and their corresponding progs) and if I have a girl, I will definitely send her to MGS or FMPS.

Guess once you have decided on the schools, you have to choose which church to be a member of then, haha. Alright, I'm kidding! I'm sure if you are a christian, you will not switch membership just to get the affiliation. But do note MGS do not accept parent's volunteer. So the only way is through RC/ NC if you are not a Methodist. Unless you already have a HDB, I doubt you will sell TS just to join an RC, so that leaves you with NC or if you are a board member. But hey, after writing so much, I realized all might be moot if your wife's an old girl of the school you want to put your daughter in, haha.

Anyway, coming back to this stretch of condos, the condo which I think is under-rated is Blossomvale. I didnt think much of it until 1 day I had to attend my son's classmate birthday party. Its not bad actually.

Also, have you considered landed? If not, take a look at Toh Tok, Lor Kismis, Lor Pisang, Yuk Tong area. Near to amenities and future MRT. Only thing to dislike I guess is the traffic can be a tad jam.

gfoo
28-01-11, 18:40
Of the lot, I would rate Methodist family (MGS, PLMGS, FMPS) and St Marg as possible choices. The presby family of schools you might want to consider too but if i could choose, I will go with the Methodist schools (personal choice). They clearly have a balanced curriculum and will not sacrifice character building over academic performance. I gather this through talking to my sister and friends whose children go to MGS and FMPS. The principal of FMPS told the parents of the P6's there will not be a cut-back in ECA just because of PSLE. They want to send the message across that academic excellence is not at all costs. Good stuff if you ask me.

I also know the VP of MGS and thus I know what are their goals in child education (and their corresponding progs) and if I have a girl, I will definitely send her to MGS or FMPS.

Guess once you have decided on the schools, you have to choose which church to be a member of then, haha. Alright, I'm kidding! I'm sure if you are a christian, you will not switch membership just to get the affiliation. But do note MGS do not accept parent's volunteer. So the only way is through RC/ NC if you are not a Methodist. Unless you already have a HDB, I doubt you will sell TS just to join an RC, so that leaves you with NC or if you are a board member. But hey, after writing so much, I realized all might be moot if your wife's an old girl of the school you want to put your daughter in, haha.

Anyway, coming back to this stretch of condos, the condo which I think is under-rated is Blossomvale. I didnt think much of it until 1 day I had to attend my son's classmate birthday party. Its not bad actually.

Also, have you considered landed? If not, take a look at Toh Tok, Lor Kismis, Lor Pisang, Yuk Tong area. Near to amenities and future MRT. Only thing to dislike I guess is the traffic can be a tad jam.

thanks much for the advice sir, tis invaluable. yes mgs is a great choice - too bad its situated in a less than ideal locality. another school i like is scgs. unfortunately my wife has no affiliation, and unless my methodist boys school goes coed, i'm stuck. i'm hoping that mgs etc starts charging school fees marked to market, but that's slim. toh tuck etc is more than 1km rite?

amk
28-01-11, 19:18
If the current P1 reg system stays (big IF ;) ), MGS even at 1b u still need to ballot within 1km. With all the new projects coming up, u can imagine the situation will only get worse. Also, let me be frank, the projects ard MGS are not expensive enough to deter parents from buying/renting just for this purpose. U will have a lot of competition.
I think SCGS will have a better chance. balmoral area is quite nice too, can consider.

azeoprop
28-01-11, 20:10
The all important website:
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/

:p

focus
28-01-11, 21:51
Coast is clear! Buy Buy Buy! ..

http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/this_urban_jungle/544300/pub_bukit_timah_condo_carpark_flooded_due_to_choke_in_drainage.html

PUB: Bukit Timah condo carpark flooded due to choke in drainage system

kane
28-01-11, 22:14
what caused the choke? will it be choked again?

land118
28-01-11, 23:08
Coast is clear! Buy Buy Buy! ..

http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/stomp/sgseen/this_urban_jungle/544300/pub_bukit_timah_condo_carpark_flooded_due_to_choke_in_drainage.html

PUB: Bukit Timah condo carpark flooded due to choke in drainage system
Thought after last flood PUB would hv been on the ball, now excuse is choke. If so easy get choke, how to ensure nt time no more choke?

mygeemeel
28-01-11, 23:23
I will still not buy this condo bcos of it's size. Too crowded.

bargain hunter
28-01-11, 23:52
just read that this fund has appointed Jones Lang Laselle as the exclusive marketing agent for leasing out the 162 units they bought.


a "keppel alpha fund" or something bot 162 units recently from a macquarie fund. not sure if the intention is to sell or rent these units out. after excluding these, 143 units to go as at end dec 2010.

kingkong1984
29-01-11, 10:56
Fund play, u buy to eat only. Dun play.

hyenergix
29-01-11, 11:42
just read that this fund has appointed Jones Lang Laselle as the exclusive marketing agent for leasing out the 162 units they bought.

So many tenants? Imagine if u r buying to rent too. There will be lots of competition.

land118
29-01-11, 12:07
a "keppel alpha fund" or something bot 162 units recently from a macquarie fund. not sure if the intention is to sell or rent these units out. after excluding these, 143 units to go as at end dec 2010. fund has 162 out of 531 units, abt 30%, wonder where r all the retail buyers/investors, people who buy will have different neighbours now and then if funds lease them out or offload. Tough competition all round.

kingkong1984
29-01-11, 13:21
Fun play liao.. Dun get funked

ymgsterling
29-01-11, 18:54
B4 the last cooling measure, heard from
Agents that the fund is offloading the units.
Maybe after the last measure, they are not able
To achieve target price and so decide to lease.




just read that this fund has appointed Jones Lang Laselle as the exclusive marketing agent for leasing out the 162 units they bought.

hyenergix
29-01-11, 20:02
The project is over-priced. Likely in the next few months they cannot find enough tenants to rent out at the prices they are looking for.

kane
29-01-11, 22:03
very heavy downpour tonight. is there any "ponding" at cascadia or its neighbouring developments?

bargain hunter
29-01-11, 22:27
the worst part is the fund is providing "ancillary services to the tenants on 24/7 basis!" the JLL lady was also quoted as saying tenants prefer corporate landlord as a bonus as issues are handled and resolved in a prompt and professional mannter.

siao liao. retail investors no fight! :scared-1:


So many tenants? Imagine if u r buying to rent too. There will be lots of competition.

kane
29-01-11, 22:53
the worst part is the fund is providing "ancillary services to the tenants on 24/7 basis!" the JLL lady was also quoted as saying tenants prefer corporate landlord as a bonus as issues are handled and resolved in a prompt and professional mannter.

siao liao. retail investors no fight! :scared-1:

this fund can either sabo the owners there or set a high standard and price of rental there with their 24/7 service.

bargain hunter
29-01-11, 23:16
yes. their units will surely command high rental. not sure if it will help the retail investors or not though.


this fund can either sabo the owners there or set a high standard and price of rental there with their 24/7 service.

kane
29-01-11, 23:55
yes. their units will surely command high rental. not sure if it will help the retail investors or not though.

if they can set a high rental price standard, it'll help the neighbours. look at far east. but if they low ball against the retailers, then it's lights out for them.

mygeemeel
30-01-11, 09:02
Rained all night, any flooding?

stalingrad
30-01-11, 09:14
Rained all night, any flooding?

that is my question too.

bargain hunter
30-01-11, 09:26
but in this case, the 162 units could be offered as a differentiated product. closer to a service apartment type of service i expect, and charging a premium for it.


if they can set a high rental price standard, it'll help the neighbours. look at far east. but if they low ball against the retailers, then it's lights out for them.

mcmlxxvi
30-01-11, 09:30
Rain is only getting worse... Amazing. Finally feeling the global warming effects coming to Singapore...

focus
30-01-11, 10:07
but in this case, the 162 units could be offered as a differentiated product. closer to a service apartment type of service i expect, and charging a premium for it.

Thought there was a case of a agent grouping a few units in MBR as service residence and URA came out and say it is not allowed?

mygeemeel
30-01-11, 10:50
Floods seem to wreak havoc in developments along bukit timah. However, prices have not been affected. I am waiting for $1000 - $1100 psf. :D

kane
30-01-11, 10:56
Today's a good day to take a look at cascadia.

kingkong1984
30-01-11, 11:38
Today's a good day to take a look at cascadia.
Yes, bucket timah area

bargain hunter
30-01-11, 11:40
for the 162 units owned by alpha fund, i guess JLL will go very close to a service residence without breaching the rules. how do we define "ancillary services to the tenants on a 24/7 basis"? :beats-me-man:


Thought there was a case of a agent grouping a few units in MBR as service residence and URA came out and say it is not allowed?

bargain hunter
30-01-11, 11:44
From a 2007 BT article, "A Spanish private-equity fund is believed to have bought 20 apartments at The Cascadia, further down Bukit Timah Road, at about $1,600 psf."

not sure if they have sold or also intend to rent out. but 20 is not a lot vs the 162 one.

kingkong1984
30-01-11, 11:48
Like this har.....

They rent to their countrymen?

The project mainly for rental Liao......

kane
30-01-11, 14:59
United nations service apt.

mygeemeel
30-01-11, 22:06
Anyone able to obtain caveat data?

sleek
30-01-11, 22:13
Can check on Streetsine (http://streetsine.com/static/home2/map.jsp#postalcode-589624-CND). :)


Anyone able to obtain caveat data?

mygeemeel
30-01-11, 22:27
Prices not moving much. Hopefully the flood and MBT's cooling measure will push prices down at this condo. :D

azeoprop
31-01-11, 07:30
3rd day of continuous rain, wonder how is the condition now.... :rolleyes:

land118
31-01-11, 08:40
http://www.asiapropertymagazine.com/property-value-in-flood-prone-areas-could-suffer-if-problem-not-fixed/
Property value in flood-prone areas could suffer if problem not fixed


Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 10:04
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They said prices and rental rates for residential and commercial properties could fluctuate if the problem continues for another three months. This may force businesses to move out.
Landlords may have to lower rent or take measures to prevent flooding to attract tenants.
Some buyers are now asking about the risk of flooding when they check out a property, including those that are not directly hit.
Executive director of Residential Projects, Orange Tee, Steven Tan, said: “In the past, this was never an issue. Now we can see that they are starting to have a concern whether the condominium or house that they want to buy will encounter this problem.”
Nicholas Mak, Real Estate lecturer at Ngee Ann Polytechnic, said: “Even if the property is not prone to flooding, but just because it is near another property that often suffers flooding whenever it rains, it could be guilty by association and its value could also be adversely affected.”

Source: Channel NewsAsia

kane
31-01-11, 09:04
3rd day of continuous rain, wonder how is the condition now.... :rolleyes:

how's tessarina i wonder with their new flood prevention barriers.

mygeemeel
31-01-11, 11:19
how's tessarina i wonder with their new flood prevention barriers.

What kind of flood barriers did they put? Sandbags? :D

kane
31-01-11, 14:05
Wasn't it in the papers they put up some barricades? Not as advanced as those in Orchard Rd of course.

land118
31-01-11, 14:09
Wasn't it in the papers they put up some barricades? Not as advanced as those in Orchard Rd of course.

Wonder if the barriers are effective. See newspaper report below in TODAY tis mth:

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC110110-0000120/Watching-the-waters

Watching the waters


CCTV monitoring trial along flood-prone Bukit Timah Canal

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by Leong Wee Keat (http://forums.condosingapore.com/)
05:55 AM Jan 10, 2011
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Singapore - Like security personnel watching out for unwelcome guests via closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras, the PUB may soon be using similar equipment to monitor the presence of an unwelcome guest - floods.

The national water agency plans to install six cameras along Bukit Timah Canal and Jalan Haji Alias outlet drain, which will allow the PUB to remotely monitor the situation in real-time in the event of heavy rain.

The PUB currently monitors road situations through the Land Transport Authority's (LTA) network of video cameras, but this is not enough. "We are installing more to ensure that PUB staff are able to monitor critical areas not covered by the LTA network," a PUB spokesperson said.

According to tender documents, the six designated locations are: Pei Wah Avenue, King's Road, opposite Hillcrest Road, Anamalai Avenue, Coronation Road West (near Jalan Haji Alias) and Swiss Club Road.

If the six-month trial proves successful, the PUB says it will eventually roll it out to other flood-prone areas that do not have CCTV cameras.

While residents and tenants welcomed the move, some developments previously affected by floodwaters are not taking their chances. The Tessarina condominium along Wilby Road is installing two waist-high floodgates at its entrance to prevent floodwaters from entering its basement car park.

The gates will close when the nearby Bukit Timah Canal is 90 per cent full, MediaCorp understands.

And works to raise nearby Wilby Road by half a metre are complete.

Drainage improvement works for the stretch of Bukit Timah Canal from Jalan Kampong Chantek to Maple Avenue commenced in late November, last year.

Scheduled to be completed by December next year, this is the first stage of an overall drainage scheme to improve the Bukit Timah First Diversion Canal from Bukit Timah Road to Clementi Road.

Some developments are mulling further flood prevention measures.

Sixth Avenue Centre's estate managing agent, for example, has asked PUB to study the possibility of raising Anamalai Avenue and adjacent roads. A road hump will also be constructed at its car park entrance - the building's "weak point" - to alleviate the flooding.

While he welcomes the measures, restaurant owner Hareesh Kumar, 34, is not leaving things to the authorities or the building management.

Besides attending to patrons' needs, he has been keeping a close watch on the weather and the surrounding drains this past week.

Floodwaters had previously submerged several vehicles in the basement carpark of Sixth Avenue Centre, where Mr Hareesh's restaurant is located and where he parks his van.

He said: "If it rains heavily, I will quickly run a check on the carpark.

"Ultimately, the management is not responsible if something happens. We just have to keep a close eye ourselves."



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A flood gate installed at The Tessarina off Bukit Timah Rd. Photo by WEE TECK HIAN

hopeful
01-02-11, 08:09
how does the flood gate works?

only installed at carpark entrance? so car cannot move in and out of the carpark?

mygeemeel
01-02-11, 10:11
how does the flood gate works?

only installed at carpark entrance? so car cannot move in and out of the carpark?

When it rains, i rather not drive into the carpark and wait outside.
If car is in carpark, i think unable to drive because the flood would have turned your car upside down. :D

stalingrad
01-02-11, 10:15
When it rains, i rather not drive into the carpark and wait outside.
If car is in carpark, i think unable to drive because the flood would have turned your car upside down. :D

so, floodgate or not, these condos along buket timah are goners. I wouldn't buy them unless and until I give up my cars.

mygeemeel
01-02-11, 10:22
so, floodgate or not, these condos along buket timah are goners. I wouldn't buy them unless and until I give up my cars.

For some people, having a Bukit Timah address is a dream. If prices do come down, i would really consider. But with global warming etc, i am very sure floods will continual to wreak havoc to all the properties along this stretch. It would be nightmares, no more dreams.

Anyway, i recall many floods caused damages on an annual basis. Even to the landed props. Is this Bukit Timah or Longkang Timah? :(

HP65
02-02-11, 10:42
thanks much for the advice sir, tis invaluable. yes mgs is a great choice - too bad its situated in a less than ideal locality. another school i like is scgs. unfortunately my wife has no affiliation, and unless my methodist boys school goes coed, i'm stuck. i'm hoping that mgs etc starts charging school fees marked to market, but that's slim. toh tuck etc is more than 1km rite?

Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood I thought you were looking for more than 1Km options when you said `non 1Km'.

Yeah, its more than 1 KM.

kane
03-02-11, 15:50
For some people, having a Bukit Timah address is a dream. If prices do come down, i would really consider. But with global warming etc, i am very sure floods will continual to wreak havoc to all the properties along this stretch. It would be nightmares, no more dreams.

Anyway, i recall many floods caused damages on an annual basis. Even to the landed props. Is this Bukit Timah or Longkang Timah? :(

previously, the flooding if i remember correctly affected the NJC, HCJC area. then with the expansion of the canal there, the flooding hasn't happened in years. With the kind of freakish weather the world's experiencing, I would seriously think twice of getting that stretch, unless it's perched on higher ground. like perhaps the Shelford area or something.

melodies
03-02-11, 22:22
Don't think that will help as residents there still get trap and cannot drive out to Durnearn Road if Dunern road is flooded badly.


previously, the flooding if i remember correctly affected the NJC, HCJC area. then with the expansion of the canal there, the flooding hasn't happened in years. With the kind of freakish weather the world's experiencing, I would seriously think twice of getting that stretch, unless it's perched on higher ground. like perhaps the Shelford area or something.

ymgsterling
04-02-11, 10:50
This flood is only a once off incident?
If so, do we need to be overconcern?
As time passed, I think people will forget about
it.

hyenergix
04-02-11, 11:24
Unfortunately no due to climate change. The problem will get worse if the drainage system is not improved significantly along bukit timah road. In fact Singapore's entire drainage + reservior system + (sea) flood control should be re-designed because the weather will become more erratic.

Wild Falcon
04-02-11, 15:54
I think u guys have been brainwashed by the mainstream media. Please stop blaming the weather or climate change. The weather is NOT that much more erratic than the past. Those days that had serious floodings around Singapore were not anywhere near the highest rainfall in Singapore history. It's just that we have added some much more concrete and increase the population density on this tiny island without upgrading the drainage system. It's not the weather's fault. It's human's fault.

hyenergix
04-02-11, 19:46
The floodings in Singapore last year was largely due to La Nina, but it was intensified by climate change http://environment.about.com/od/globalwarming/a/elninolanina.htm

land118
12-02-11, 09:07
Today ST page c9' colour ad promoting "immediate occupation, new release of choice units", no sign of discounts or furniture vouchers / rebates

hyenergix
12-02-11, 18:02
Since it has already TOP, if the units is still not sold or rented out, the owners will be slowly bleeding from the maintenance fee, property tax and interest. If the rental market is really that good, then the owners would have rented out and collect the rental instead of selling the units.

mygeemeel
13-02-11, 20:42
What do you think? Overpriced or buyers are spoilt for choices?

land118
13-02-11, 22:16
What do you think? Overpriced or buyers are spoilt for choices?
More because of the choices with more than 100+ units owned by fund waiting to offload or rent out, this is overwhelming. Average price of $1400+ psf FH at current market is at most slightly overpriced. Perhaps learning lesson for buyers, if project has substantial % of units bought by Fund or single party, may not be good as decision of this major stakeholder has overwhelming impact of the project.

kingkong1984
14-02-11, 04:16
Fund play, u buy to eat only. Dun play.

A lesson indeed...

proud owner
14-02-11, 07:08
More because of the choices with more than 100+ units owned by fund waiting to offload or rent out, this is overwhelming. Average price of $1400+ psf FH at current market is at most slightly overpriced. Perhaps learning lesson for buyers, if project has substantial % of units bought by Fund or single party, may not be good as decision of this major stakeholder has overwhelming impact of the project.


anyway ...so many people in the firum say ,,,rental is picking up ..(which i dont see at all) .... then rent out lor ...

teddybear
14-02-11, 09:14
Rental is picking up lah! My tenants paying more for my properties (all in CCR) upon renewal for past few months! :D
All the talk about over-supply of private properties in CCR don't need to care because rentals are just going up if you bother to ask for more and stick to your gun (tenants will always want to pay less and give over-supply as reasons to negotiate)! :cheers1:


anyway ...so many people in the firum say ,,,rental is picking up ..(which i dont see at all) .... then rent out lor ...

spikey69
14-02-11, 13:25
%-wise, how much more are your tenants paying?

teddybear
14-02-11, 16:01
about 5-10%.


%-wise, how much more are your tenants paying?

CCR
14-02-11, 20:17
Just renewed my rental for one of my units in CCR.... 8% more...signed for two years.... Tenant wanted three I said no lol.....

CCR
14-02-11, 20:22
anyway ...so many people in the firum say ,,,rental is picking up ..(which i dont see at all) .... then rent out lor ...

This is what I really don't understand.... 1400+ psf for Cascadia against 900+
to 1k+ psf for Canberra condo and waterfronT Isle and people flock to buy the latter two condo rather than Cascadia?

I know the units in Cascadia is a bit too close to each other, but in terms of location many times better but costs only 40% more and the up graders flock to these OCR properties.....

Any comments?

land118
14-02-11, 20:41
This is what I really don't understand.... 1400+ psf for Cascadia against 900+
to 1k+ psf for Canberra condo and waterfronT Isle and people flock to buy the latter two condo rather than Cascadia?

I know the units in Cascadia is a bit too close to each other, but in terms of location many times better but costs only 40% more and the up graders flock to these OCR properties.....

Any comments?
Think there may be many reasons, some of which I feel:

A. Upgraders more comfortable to live in same estate or closely where they reside now

B. Quantum value; say an upgrader in OCR sell his 5 rm for $500k-$600k, buy Canberra or waterfront isle, 3 room, say $1-1.1m (just squeeze a bit), it is only double of their hdb, but if buy Cascadia or similar condo, may have to fork out $1.5m and above, 3 times their Hdb flat value, can be quite "siong"

C. Perspection that certain areas are beyond their reach, not well informed, just follow "herd" instinct, neighbors say nearby got new condo launch, so go look look see see, also put down cheque and buy

There could be others...., do list them if u know of their reason

devilplate
14-02-11, 20:55
This is what I really don't understand.... 1400+ psf for Cascadia against 900+
to 1k+ psf for Canberra condo and waterfronT Isle and people flock to buy the latter two condo rather than Cascadia?

I know the units in Cascadia is a bit too close to each other, but in terms of location many times better but costs only 40% more and the up graders flock to these OCR properties.....

Any comments?

1.4kpsf is still ex...12xxpsf more reasonable as its not really close to MRT....might as well use simei 99LH manhanttan high flr 1bedder at 1.4kpsf to compare....den all shd grab cascadia at 1.4kpsf? :tsk-tsk: :p

land118
14-02-11, 21:03
1.4kpsf is still ex...12xxpsf more reasonable as its not really close to MRT....might as well use simei 99LH manhanttan high flr 1bedder at 1.4kpsf to compare....den all shd grab cascadia at 1.4kpsf? :tsk-tsk: :p
Ya, premium for next to MRT is quite high now. I mean for those next to MRT. Manhantan really living up to it's name....Bukit Timah vs Simei, almost same price, FH vs 99LH, Allgreen vs CEL (Chip Eng Seng HDB specialist ), if buyers of Manhanttan know this, will they still buy?

devilplate
14-02-11, 21:10
Ya, premium for next to MRT is quite high now. I mean for those next to MRT. Manhantan really living up to it's name....Bukit Timah vs Simei, almost same price, FH vs 99LH, Allgreen vs CEL (Chip Eng Seng HDB specialist ), if buyers of Manhanttan know this, will they still buy?

dun have to use cascadia lor....just use double bay subsale oredi can scare them off? hehe

CCR
14-02-11, 21:56
Think there may be many reasons, some of which I feel:

A. Upgraders more comfortable to live in same estate or closely where they reside now

B. Quantum value; say an upgrader in OCR sell his 5 rm for $500k-$600k, buy Canberra or waterfront isle, 3 room, say $1-1.1m (just squeeze a bit), it is only double of their hdb, but if buy Cascadia or similar condo, may have to fork out $1.5m and above, 3 times their Hdb flat value, can be quite "siong"

C. Perspection that certain areas are beyond their reach, not well informed, just follow "herd" instinct, neighbors say nearby got new condo launch, so go look look see see, also put down cheque and buy

There could be others...., do list them if u know of their reason

Then these up graders will definitely lose out long term if they keep looking at quantum..... Pricing of condo in orchard and bukit timah is at least 2-3 times more when it's only 5-10 mins drive.... And Canberra is another 20 to 30 mins drive from bucket timah and it's only 50 percent more? Strange right? And cascade will have met soon as well...

I think it's more the fact they just assume they cannot afford prime and high class area so don't bother to look.... Plus their parents sure ask them to stay near them and hence Bo Bian coz wanna stay condo so just buy.... Never think about future investment returns.....

DaytonaSS
14-02-11, 21:58
This is what I really don't understand.... 1400+ psf for Cascadia against 900+
to 1k+ psf for Canberra condo and waterfronT Isle and people flock to buy the latter two condo rather than Cascadia?

I know the units in Cascadia is a bit too close to each other, but in terms of location many times better but costs only 40% more and the up graders flock to these OCR properties.....

Any comments?

Its all abt absolute quantum issnt it?

devilplate
14-02-11, 22:00
Then these up graders will definitely lose out long term if they keep looking at quantum..... Pricing of condo in orchard and bukit timah is at least 2-3 times more when it's only 5-10 mins drive.... And Canberra is another 20 to 30 mins drive from bucket timah and it's only 50 percent more? Strange right? And cascade will have met soon as well...

I think it's more the fact they just assume they cannot afford prime and high class area so don't bother to look.... Plus their parents sure ask them to stay near them and hence Bo Bian coz wanna stay condo so just buy.... Never think about future investment returns.....

quantum vy impt la....u got lots of cash tats y got more options....many r having just enuff $ to pay 20% down leh....

ymgsterling
14-02-11, 22:01
This is what I really don't understand.... 1400+ psf for Cascadia against 900+
to 1k+ psf for Canberra condo and waterfronT Isle and people flock to buy the latter two condo rather than Cascadia?

I know the units in Cascadia is a bit too close to each other, but in terms of location many times better but costs only 40% more and the up graders flock to these OCR properties.....

Any comments?

Comparing to Floridan, I think Cascadia is a good buy.
As I understand, Floridan is selling well.
Any comments?

land118
14-02-11, 22:02
....
I think it's more the fact they just assume they cannot afford prime and high class area so don't bother to look.... Plus their parents sure ask them to stay near them and hence Bo Bian coz wanna stay condo so just buy.... Never think about future investment returns..... quite possible, I know in some cases, parents now using their retirement $ & chipping in to help young couples pay part of the downpayment

CCR
14-02-11, 23:01
Comparing to Floridan, I think Cascadia is a good buy.
As I understand, Floridan is selling well.
Any comments?

That's something I can never understand.... Project side side by but fFEO can sell 20% more than it's neigbour.... And casacadia is also new... And it's not just this project... All FEO project the same.... Silver sea also the same...

Really respect them man..... Any reasons why the can sell so high?

devilplate
14-02-11, 23:04
That's something I can never understand.... Project side side by but fFEO can sell 20% more than it's neigbour.... And casacadia is also new... And it's not just this project... All FEO project the same.... Silver sea also the same...

Really respect them man..... Any reasons why the can sell so high?

i tink FEO got lobangs from china....foreigners $$ easier to earn as they duno how to make comparison....i noticed china buyers signing the dot at the altez whrby they cud actually buy at a cheaper price at subsale market...Mi Casa another eg....subsale cheaper but still got ppl buy from FEO now...

every mth silversea got some transactions....and i doubt ANY of us here bot a unit there....hehe

land118
14-02-11, 23:33
i tink FEO got lobangs from china....foreigners $$ easier to earn as they duno how to make comparison....i noticed china buyers signing the dot at the altez whrby they cud actually buy at a cheaper price at subsale market...Mi Casa another eg....subsale cheaper but still got ppl buy from FEO now...

every mth silversea got some transactions....and i doubt ANY of us here bot a unit there....hehe
FEO advertisement on Singapore airlines inflight is impressive especially if u are a foreigner, it list all its awards and accolades over the years. Perhaps one good reason why it has been able to draw and bring in foreigners to pay higher $ for its projects. Hats off to them.

bargain hunter
15-02-11, 01:27
floridian may be overpriced (by how much i don't know), but it is definitely worth a premium vs cascadia. for a start, its 300+ units vs 500+ units on a plot of land which is not a lot smaller than cascadia. floridian's layout and unit sizes are also more in tune with the bukit timah brand. the finishing and quality of materials used is also better. cascadia is more of a mid market product which would have done very well further up in upper bukit timah. for bukit timah proper, real bukit timah fans would prefer floridian if its within their budget.




That's something I can never understand.... Project side side by but fFEO can sell 20% more than it's neigbour.... And casacadia is also new... And it's not just this project... All FEO project the same.... Silver sea also the same...

Really respect them man..... Any reasons why the can sell so high?

stalingrad
15-02-11, 09:11
floridian may be overpriced (by how much i don't know), but it is definitely worth a premium vs cascadia. for a start, its 300+ units vs 500+ units on a plot of land which is not a lot smaller than cascadia. floridian's layout and unit sizes are also more in tune with the bukit timah brand. the finishing and quality of materials used is also better. cascadia is more of a mid market product which would have done very well further up in upper bukit timah. for bukit timah proper, real bukit timah fans would prefer floridian if its within their budget.

the flooding picture doesn't help either.

mygeemeel
15-02-11, 09:25
floridian may be overpriced (by how much i don't know), but it is definitely worth a premium vs cascadia. for a start, its 300+ units vs 500+ units on a plot of land which is not a lot smaller than cascadia. floridian's layout and unit sizes are also more in tune with the bukit timah brand. the finishing and quality of materials used is also better. cascadia is more of a mid market product which would have done very well further up in upper bukit timah. for bukit timah proper, real bukit timah fans would prefer floridian if its within their budget.

So with Cascadia > 1km from MGS and not fantastic finishings, small plot size, congested development, more than 100 fund invested units... looks like we should avoid investing here?

bargain hunter
15-02-11, 09:55
MGS is most definitely within 1km of Cascadia. but still need to ballot anyway. plot size is not small but the design and shape constraint + more units made it feel more cramped.

whether to invest or not is up to individual. i think for rental, the yield may be higher for cascadia because of smaller unit sizes + lower psf purchase price. for own stay, i can safely say floridian is better if price is not an issue.



So with Cascadia > 1km from MGS and not fantastic finishings, small plot size, congested development, more than 100 fund invested units... looks like we should avoid investing here?

mygeemeel
15-02-11, 10:11
MGS is most definitely within 1km of Cascadia. but still need to ballot anyway. plot size is not small but the design and shape constraint + more units made it feel more cramped.

whether to invest or not is up to individual. i think for rental, the yield may be higher for cascadia because of smaller unit sizes + lower psf purchase price. for own stay, i can safely say floridian is better if price is not an issue.

Floridian is well positioned. But you sure their furnishing is good? Very unlikely for FEO projects.

stalingrad
15-02-11, 10:16
Went to pay the cascadia a visit on the weekend. the agent said that the flood water in the basement carpark came from Floridian, while showing overt anger. obviously agents for the two projects don't like each other. asking her to provide a guarantee that there will be no flooding in the future, she refused. So, I have no idea that flooding is gonna be a problem or not.

the problem with the site plan is that all the blocks are positioned in a way that leaves pockets of empty space along the fringes of the projects that cannot be used, while reducing the space in the middle considerably.

No, I did not see any marble. The finishes are definitely mid market.

mygeemeel
15-02-11, 10:43
[quote=stalingrad]Went to pay the cascadia a visit on the weekend. the agent said that the flood water in the basement carpark came from Floridian, while showing overt anger. obviously agents for the two projects don't like each other. asking her to provide a guarantee that there will be no flooding in the future, she refused. So, I have no idea that flooding is gonna be a problem or not.
quote]

I went to view the units after the flooding incident. Had a chance to speak to the bangalas and they say floods are quite common there. I tried asking the security guard too and he smiled. Wife says better forget about this dev because when it rains, she has to bring in the clothes and if we buy Cascadia, she has more things to worry... our cars.

land118
15-02-11, 10:55
[quote=stalingrad]Went to pay the cascadia a visit on the weekend. the agent said that the flood water in the basement carpark came from Floridian, while showing overt anger. obviously agents for the two projects don't like each other. asking her to provide a guarantee that there will be no flooding in the future, she refused. So, I have no idea that flooding is gonna be a problem or not.
quote]

I went to view the units after the flooding incident. Had a chance to speak to the bangalas and they say floods are quite common there. I tried asking the security guard too and he smiled. Wife says better forget about this dev because when it rains, she has to bring in the clothes and if we buy Cascadia, she has more things to worry... our cars. Haha, Allgreen pushing FEO the bark...of flooding..Good that u check with Banglas, they blur blur anything also tell u, security guard probably told not to say anything lo..., smiling mean = Yes... Heard from my friend staying at Nexus, which has no flood that there are raising the road level or curbs in the surrounding area.....not sure of exact details..

amk
15-02-11, 10:56
floridian may be overpriced (by how much i don't know), but it is definitely worth a premium vs cascadia.

be careful ;) only the Floridian "premium" are more like "in tune with the bukit timah brand". The earlier ones are just as common as Cascadia (but they were cheaper too).

staling: why are you scouting around here ? ;) have you revisited your favorite duchess residences yet ? ;)

proud owner
15-02-11, 11:43
i tink FEO got lobangs from china....foreigners $$ easier to earn as they duno how to make comparison....i noticed china buyers signing the dot at the altez whrby they cud actually buy at a cheaper price at subsale market...Mi Casa another eg....subsale cheaper but still got ppl buy from FEO now...

every mth silversea got some transactions....and i doubt ANY of us here bot a unit there....hehe

feo also advertise non stop in SIA ... for the longest time it was Silversea ...now Jardin

mygeemeel
15-02-11, 12:29
feo also advertise non stop in SIA ... for the longest time it was Silversea ...now Jardin

I noticed that too.

bargain hunter
15-02-11, 13:14
if i din recall wrongly. ;)

i visited floridian showflat after the market burst in 2007 and i only visited cascadia's showflat one or two months back. but if i din recall wrongly, floridian left a much better impression on me.

anyway, i have visisted the higher end FEO projects in the past year or so and their finishing and layout is better than peers who launch nearby but i still feel doesn't justify the price. :ashamed1:



Floridian is well positioned. But you sure their furnishing is good? Very unlikely for FEO projects.

bargain hunter
15-02-11, 13:20
yup, of course only referring to floridian. but new projects are alright lah, Cyan also ok in terms of layout and finishing (can't say the same about accessibility from keng chin though ;))

shouldn't it be "OUR" fav duchess resi? hahahahha. so how amk? u still looking to buy there? i have given up on that project liao unless maybe 1000psf hahahhaha.



be careful ;) only the Floridian "premium" are more like "in tune with the bukit timah brand". The earlier ones are just as common as Cascadia (but they were cheaper too).

staling: why are you scouting around here ? ;) have you revisited your favorite duchess residences yet ? ;)

stalingrad
15-02-11, 14:23
yup, of course only referring to floridian. but new projects are alright lah, Cyan also ok in terms of layout and finishing (can't say the same about accessibility from keng chin though ;))

shouldn't it be "OUR" fav duchess resi? hahahahha. so how amk? u still looking to buy there? i have given up on that project liao unless maybe 1000psf hahahhaha.


1000psf? I think you would have to kill the owners to sell one to you at that price.

amk, I am checking in that area cause my kid goes to american school, which is too far from where we live. DR is too expensive for me. so, perhaps cascadian. but I am afraid of flooding problems.

ymgsterling
15-02-11, 20:28
Buy the flood free projects like Casa, Nexus or The Sterling.
No such issue and have piece of mind.

mygeemeel
15-02-11, 21:42
Buy the flood free projects like Casa, Nexus or The Sterling.
No such issue and have piece of mind.

No certainty anymore with weather getting worse. If I remember correctly, the stretch of Bukit Timah seemed to experience flooding every year. It could happen on any dev. I think FEO might be the winner with their mscp.

land118
15-02-11, 23:11
No certainty anymore with weather getting worse. If I remember correctly, the stretch of Bukit Timah seemed to experience flooding every year. It could happen on any dev. I think FEO might be the winner with their mscp.
Years ago, I remember telling my friend that his FEO condo with MSCP look like a Fenced up HDB flats with better finishes and facilities since HDB also have MSCP. now if u are owners of Tessarina, u wish u have MSCP rather than flood prone basement carparks.

DaytonaSS
15-02-11, 23:33
Years ago, I remember telling my friend that his FEO condo with MSCP look like a Fenced up HDB flats with better finishes and facilities since HDB also have MSCP. now if u are owners of Tessarina, u wish u have MSCP rather than flood prone basement carparks.

Ouch, I feel sad for your friend. Buy condo kana suan

devilplate
15-02-11, 23:45
Years ago, I remember telling my friend that his FEO condo with MSCP look like a Fenced up HDB flats with better finishes and facilities since HDB also have MSCP. now if u are owners of Tessarina, u wish u have MSCP rather than flood prone basement carparks.

in future MSCP become popular and premium especially cars easily above 100k now? :scared-4:

i got ppty with MSCP leh....dun suan like dat la:p

land118
16-02-11, 00:06
in future MSCP become popular and premium especially cars easily above 100k now? :scared-4:

i got ppty with MSCP leh....dun suan like dat la:p
Don't worry, I suan my friend > 10 years ago, now I value MSCP project, u never know when the flood will come....if stay in flood prone or low-lying area. Am sure Aussies never thought such disaster will strike them also

ymgsterling
16-02-11, 05:56
Pardon me, what is MSCP?

spikey69
16-02-11, 06:48
multi storey car park

mygeemeel
16-02-11, 10:54
Saw numerous adverts on propguru by same agents. All asking above $1,400psf. After the flooding incident and views from people, I think I will avoid bukit timah all together. I'm sure there are better units at similar or lower prices. Any suggestions?

kingkong1984
16-02-11, 13:53
Water and jam dun make rice.

mygeemeel
16-02-11, 17:01
I don't know about the bigger units. Saw 882sqft and 990sqft. If anyone has seen the layout, you will find the 882sqft has a utility room facing the hall. Why would developer design it this way? :confused:

stalingrad
17-02-11, 08:53
I don't know about the bigger units. Saw 882sqft and 990sqft. If anyone has seen the layout, you will find the 882sqft has a utility room facing the hall. Why would developer design it this way? :confused:

so you can see exactly what the maid is doing 24 hours a day and 7 days a week?

my problem is that there is no yard. Expect every resident to air dry their laundry on the balcony or planter, or even living room windows.

land118
17-02-11, 09:06
so you can see exactly what the maid is doing 24 hours a day and 7 days a week?

my problem is that there is no yard. Expect every resident to air dry their laundry on the balcony or planter, or even living room windows.Maybe they expect every household to own a Dryer, not hang for sun to dry. Wonder if they provide washing machine & dryer for buyers in sale of units

mantrix
17-02-11, 09:19
No certainty anymore with weather getting worse. If I remember correctly, the stretch of Bukit Timah seemed to experience flooding every year. It could happen on any dev. I think FEO might be the winner with their mscp.

there was a news report on the bad traffic 2 days ago along dunearn road...somemore this is district 21, not 11, so asking 1500psf above will really be too much.

amk
17-02-11, 10:54
my problem is that there is no yard.
get the PH unit then. for example the one behind just next to Floridian and overlooking its pool ;) and at the same time can tell yourself you pay 40% less compared to your immediate neighbor. :D

stalingrad
17-02-11, 11:31
get the PH unit then. for example the one behind just next to Floridian and overlooking its pool ;) and at the same time can tell yourself you pay 40% less compared to your immediate neighbor. :D

that would be too big a yard!!!:scared-5:

bargain hunter
17-02-11, 23:12
bros amk & stalingrad, i just realised that in the sales data released two days back, duchess residences managed to sell 1 of the 2 remaining units at 1680psf. that's even lower than 5 of the 7 subsales which took place in the past 15 months! :scared-1:


be careful ;) only the Floridian "premium" are more like "in tune with the bukit timah brand". The earlier ones are just as common as Cascadia (but they were cheaper too).

staling: why are you scouting around here ? ;) have you revisited your favorite duchess residences yet ? ;)

stalingrad
18-02-11, 09:09
bros amk & stalingrad, i just realised that in the sales data released two days back, duchess residences managed to sell 1 of the 2 remaining units at 1680psf. that's even lower than 5 of the 7 subsales which took place in the past 15 months! :scared-1:

If it goes to $1400psf, I will pounce. Or I can wait for Casabella to drop to $1200psf.

If DP can fetch only this low price, what does that say about the chance of Capitaland selling D'leedon at $1650psf. only the gullible will buy.

mygeemeel
18-02-11, 09:21
If it goes to $1400psf, I will pounce. Or I can wait for Casabella to drop to $1200psf.

If DP can fetch only this low price, what does that say about the chance of Capitaland selling D'leedon at $1650psf. only the gullible will buy.

For Casabella to drop to S$1,200psf is a challenge. Limited units in this development so supply isnt enough.

I dont understand why previous owners would still buy D'leedon. I would have taken the money from enbloc and run to other developments. Was it sentimental reasons for buying D'leedon?

stalingrad
18-02-11, 09:29
For Casabella to drop to S$1,200psf is a challenge. Limited units in this development so supply isnt enough.

I dont understand why previous owners would still buy D'leedon. I would have taken the money from enbloc and run to other developments. Was it sentimental reasons for buying D'leedon?

the most recently transaction for casabella is only 1270psf.

bargain hunter
18-02-11, 12:49
if developer for Duchess Resi can only sell at 1680 (assumed to be big unit garden mansionette), then expect subsales to be around this level or even lower. prices looked pretty capped there.


If it goes to $1400psf, I will pounce. Or I can wait for Casabella to drop to $1200psf.

If DP can fetch only this low price, what does that say about the chance of Capitaland selling D'leedon at $1650psf. only the gullible will buy.

amk
18-02-11, 12:56
bros amk & stalingrad, i just realised that in the sales data released two days back, duchess residences managed to sell 1 of the 2 remaining units at 1680psf. that's even lower than 5 of the 7 subsales which took place in the past 15 months! :scared-1:

EDIT: ok I found. "garden maisonette" at $1680 is still higher than the "power buy" bunch ;)

btw shall we adjourn to the "official thread" ? :)

bargain hunter
18-02-11, 13:24
is there an official thread? i thot i posted in one before but no one wanted to discuss with me hahaha. ok let's move there.


EDIT: ok I found. "garden maisonette" at $1680 is still higher than the "power buy" bunch ;)

btw shall we adjourn to the "official thread" ? :)

mygeemeel
18-02-11, 15:56
Flashflood this weekend. Remember to bring swimming costume and floats.

mantrix
18-02-11, 19:46
Flashflood this weekend. Remember to bring swimming costume and floats.

Waterfront living at its best??

dmonddd
27-04-11, 19:19
see alot of units for sale and rent?

how are the transactions and the forum is quiet

stalingrad
28-04-11, 10:05
see alot of units for sale and rent?

how are the transactions and the forum is quiet

went to the showflats, and thought it was ridiculous that the unit did not sport even one slab of marble while you have to shell out $2-3 mil to get a unit with a decent size.

devilplate
28-04-11, 10:06
went to the showflats, and thought it was ridiculous that the unit did not sport even one slab of marble while you have to shell out $2-3 mil to get a unit with a decent size.

second tat:doh:

amk
28-04-11, 14:54
... it was ridiculous that the unit did not sport even one slab of marble ...

the specs read: 6. Finishes. Floor: Internal (b) Mable to Masterbath. ;)

mygeemeel
28-04-11, 18:56
I viewed this dev 3 times. Just cannot accept paying premium for this bukit timah standard. So I decided not buying. Wifey love this but I guess the layout for 2 br is wrong and no yard for 2 and 2+1 br units. But if I have more money, then I might consider their 3 or 4 br units. Then again we might face with different considerations. Just my opinion.

mygeemeel
28-04-11, 18:56
I viewed this dev 3 times. Just cannot accept paying premium for this bukit timah standard. So I decided not buying. Wifey love this but I guess the layout for 2 br is wrong and no yard for 2 and 2+1 br units. But if I have more money, then I might consider their 3 or 4 br units. Then again we might face with different considerations. Just my opinion.

azeoprop
28-04-11, 19:39
Until now still not sold out? :beats-me-man:

hyenergix
28-04-11, 20:07
V cramped devt. Most units r v near one another or facing e busy n dusty bukit timah road. With tt $ might as well get a landed.

land118
28-04-11, 20:50
the specs read: 6. Finishes. Floor: Internal (b) Mable to Masterbath. ;)
Wow, can ask for discount?

mygeemeel
28-04-11, 21:08
Wow, can ask for discount?
They wont bother giving discounts because majority already sold and some Fund holding numerous units.

Actually with GE coming, anyone feel that housing prices will rise or fall?

land118
28-04-11, 21:42
They wont bother giving discounts because majority already sold and some Fund holding numerous units.

Actually with GE coming, anyone feel that housing prices will rise or fall?
Think many of us will be distracted by GE, i think property interest will take a back seat...as for price...., probably in general sideways...

Serendipity
07-05-11, 22:27
Dropped by there a few days ago.
Currently only left 4 bedders, grd flr units and Penthouses.
I feel the grd flr units totally no privacy.
While i was walking thru the development, I can basically see everything that is happening in the unit.
You got to close your curtains at all times to get some privacy.

Penthouse seem ridiculous as the upper lvl is fully roof terrace.

After seeing that i m not interested in the Penthouses, 4 bedders or the grd flr units, the agent attending to me told me that the developer did not released 2 units of 3+S (5th flr and 6th flr) and will be releasing soon and showed me those unit.
These units look more decent but i do doubt that its really reserved by the developer.
Most likely is returned units.

Was told the price is likely to be in the region of $1.8 million plus.
As for the quality, I would say its ok except that i noticed the flooring is actually homogenous tiles which is quite shocking for the price to pay.

TheIdler
07-05-11, 23:56
There is an aircon vent in the dining area ... Is this more expensive or cheaper than a normal aircon unit? Easy to maintain? Reminds me of those found in chalet

dmonddd
08-05-11, 14:08
does the car park gets few inches of water level during heavy rain? the fear is always there after tessarina

mygeemeel
07-06-11, 01:44
does the car park gets few inches of water level during heavy rain? the fear is always there after tessarina

Flood again... Why isn't anyone cashing out? Even if their cars are not soaked, at least they should find inconvenience moving in and out of bukit timah right?

I find stretch getting very dangerous.

jencrs
07-06-11, 04:19
Flood again... Why isn't anyone cashing out? Even if their cars are not soaked, at least they should find inconvenience moving in and out of bukit timah right?

I find stretch getting very dangerous.
R u toking abt bukit timah in general or specifically cascadia kenna flooded (or ponding) like the last time as seen in stomp?

ymgsterling
12-06-11, 01:29
Prices along bukit timah are going higher each day.
Maybe cause of the flood, water = fortune:D

kane
12-06-11, 11:16
It's unsettling to know that when you wake up one morning, your car might be stuck in water in the basement carpark.

mygeemeel
12-06-11, 12:47
Problem includes not able to leave home bcos of flood along bukit timah, no transportations and going anywhere is inconvenient.

Prices at cascadia is majority owned by fund.

stalingrad
12-06-11, 12:52
Problem includes not able to leave home bcos of flood along bukit timah, no transportations and going anywhere is inconvenient.

Prices at cascadia is majority owned by fund.

yes more than 130 units are owned by a fund.

I also agree that during a down pour and afterward, the place is a prison.

mygeemeel
12-06-11, 14:20
Actually there are many choices in good locations at just about the same or lower price than cascadia. Having majority owned by Fund is something we need to bear in mind.

ymgsterling
12-06-11, 17:15
Actually there are many choices in good locations at just about the same or lower price than cascadia. Having majority owned by Fund is something we need to bear in mind.

Owning by fund is good or bad?

CCR
12-06-11, 23:31
Went there today... 90% sold.... Only lousy units left.... Surprised at the take up rate.... Units too close together, can see you neighbor clearly

cl0ver
13-06-11, 00:33
1 agent told me no sub sale for this project.
if want to buy, developer only left with 6 units.
Funds not interested to sell at the moment even at 1700psft..

Floridian next door asking 1900psft in the papers!

something is just not right here....