View Full Version : Optima (D16, 99 years leasehold, TID <Hong Leong / Mitsui Fudosan>)
Maybe people feel more shoik when they got discount.. To me, it's the same.
Anyway, at 930 to 970psf for 2 bedders, might as well go buy OA or Esta. Top up a bit only. Then again, no MRT lah.. OA and Esta sellers will be thinking if Optima can subsale 1000psf, mine can subsale 1200 liao..
it is the same anw.. u go funan, they mark up price then give u member discount. Liike wat mr mah said, make sure affordability is the key. Anyhow, do you homework and check the surrounding condo developments and see how much psf they can fetch in today's market. Frm wat I see the 99LH at this pricing is really siao especially for 1-2 bedders. Would be interesting to see if really 1 day sell-out. Like that can qualify for SG book of records for most number of units sold for a development or not?
bargain hunter
31-07-09, 17:21
so how's the sales status at these prices? all ballot liao?
latest 2 BR = 880-920 (depending on floor)
1 BR= 1000- 1050(depending on floor)
after all the discount etc:doh:
can someone confirm this. is it true that the developer bought the land in 03, so how many years will be left if it's going to TOP in 2014 ?
Ask those KIASU people that rush to queue and ballot to buy this condo. If it is really bought it in 2003 then GOOD LUCK to them.
By the it TOP, 11 years gone, left 88 years.
Maybe, that is the whole idea...HUAT AH !!!!!!
Ballot going on. 2bedroom 947sqft on high floor is about 830k which is about 880psf.
Ballot going on. 2bedroom 947sqft on high floor is about 830k which is about 880psf.
How would you compare Tenah Merah in the East and Lakeside in the West. To me both are OCR, 99 LH and near MRT. So, why Caspian selling (or sold) at $600+ and Optima can sell at close to $ 900 psf? Maybe East OCR has higher value than West OCR but people in the East are going "Siao":simmering:
proud owner
31-07-09, 22:33
How would you compare Tenah Merah in the East and Lakeside in the West. To me both are OCR, 99 LH and near MRT. So, why Caspian selling (or sold) at $600+ and Optima can sell at close to $ 900 psf? Maybe East OCR has higher value than West OCR but people in the East are going "Siao":simmering:
to me they are the same ..
too bad caspian launched first .. and Optima takes off from where caspian left off
once optima is sold ..and another launch at west ..bet it will start from where optima settles
How would you compare Tenah Merah in the East and Lakeside in the West. To me both are OCR, 99 LH and near MRT. So, why Caspian selling (or sold) at $600+ and Optima can sell at close to $ 900 psf? Maybe East OCR has higher value than West OCR but people in the East are going "Siao":simmering:
Simple, sentiment. When people feel confident about keeping their job, feel confident that they will make $$$ come TOP time in 2014. If Caspian lauched this month, probably can sell at 800-900psf also. When 2/3 persons are targeting the same unit, the project suddenly turns into LV status (a lot of ppl dun know what is OCR & 99LH sorry).
proud owner
31-07-09, 22:41
Simple, sentiment. When people feel confident about keeping their job, feel confident that they will make $$$ come TOP time in 2014. If Caspian lauched this month, probably can sell at 800-900psf also. When 2/3 persons are targeting the same unit, the project suddenly turns into LV status (a lot of ppl dun know what is OCR & 99LH sorry).
dont mean to be sarcastic
but to HDB upgraders ..moving from HDB to a condo ..within 100m is consider UPGRADE
and UPGRADE = pay more
i always tell my wife .. when we are older and retiring, i will keep one private to collect rent ..and buy a HDB , near swimming pool , near MRT.. its no difference from buying centro / optima / caspian / etc etc
no need to pay maintenance .. public pool is cheap
maybe make friends with someone stupid staying in the condo .. i can still walk in and use the facilities
Simple, sentiment. When people feel confident about keeping their job, feel confident that they will make $$$ come TOP time in 2014. If Caspian lauched this month, probably can sell at 800-900psf also. When 2/3 persons are targeting the same unit, the project suddenly turns into LV status (a lot of ppl dun know what is OCR & 99LH sorry).
Haha, Capsian sell @ 800-900 psf, how to make $$$???????
Dun tell me when Caspian TOP, can sell 1000-1100psf???????
However, I still hope that people keep buying to keep the momentum going. Hope I can sell off mine before the bubble burst, haha. :tongue3:
dont mean to be sarcastic
but to HDB upgraders ..moving from HDB to a condo ..within 100m is consider UPGRADE
and UPGRADE = pay more
i always tell my wife .. when we are older and retiring, i will keep one private to collect rent ..and buy a HDB , near swimming pool , near MRT.. its no difference from buying centro / optima / caspian / etc etc
no need to pay maintenance .. public pool is cheap
maybe make friends with someone stupid staying in the condo .. i can still walk in and use the facilities
Recently I talked to one friend. He says he wants to upgrade to condo bcos:
1. He is sick that his family need to wait for shower facilities in public pool ... and foreign construction workers jumping into public pool without shower 1st (he can even see the pool water turn yellowish)
2. He is sick of driving out to use gym or swimming pool .. drive in/out waste time and his car becomes dirty
So if you want to stay in HDB, make sure you survey your public pool nearby first :D
Haha, Capsian sell @ 800-900 psf, how to make $$$???????
Dun tell me when Caspian TOP, can sell 1000-1100psf???????
However, I still hope that people keep buying to keep the momentum going. Hope I can sell off mine before the bubble burst, haha. :tongue3:
New must be good, long q must be good, expensive must be good.
Remember the Mc Donald Hello Kitty phenomenon ?
dont mean to be sarcastic
but to HDB upgraders ..moving from HDB to a condo ..within 100m is consider UPGRADE
and UPGRADE = pay more
i always tell my wife .. when we are older and retiring, i will keep one private to collect rent ..and buy a HDB , near swimming pool , near MRT.. its no difference from buying centro / optima / caspian / etc etc
no need to pay maintenance .. public pool is cheap
maybe make friends with someone stupid staying in the condo .. i can still walk in and use the facilities
Talking abt facilities...:doh: :doh: :doh:
I always go gf house which is a condo, also seldom use facilities. Use less than once a month though go quite frequent. Her relative also never use, always not at home. Dun know people pay so much to buy expensive condo with full facilities for what.
But I use the free carpark water to wash car, hehe:ashamed1:
Ask those KIASU people that rush to queue and ballot to buy this condo. If it is really bought it in 2003 then GOOD LUCK to them.
By the it TOP, 11 years gone, left 88 years.
Maybe, that is the whole idea...HUAT AH !!!!!!
it's dec 2008...
dont mean to be sarcastic
but to HDB upgraders ..moving from HDB to a condo ..within 100m is consider UPGRADE
and UPGRADE = pay more
i always tell my wife .. when we are older and retiring, i will keep one private to collect rent ..and buy a HDB , near swimming pool , near MRT.. its no difference from buying centro / optima / caspian / etc etc
no need to pay maintenance .. public pool is cheap
maybe make friends with someone stupid staying in the condo .. i can still walk in and use the facilities
Not true no maintenance. I pay $90 a month for carpark and $83 a month for SCCC. So already about $200 liao...
thomastansb
01-08-09, 01:09
Don't forget $110 TV license. Some mass market condo only charge $170-180 per month.
HDB cost more than Condo. And Condo got security, privacy, swimming pool, facilities etc.. Some might like a Condo address also...
Not true no maintenance. I pay $90 a month for carpark and $83 a month for SCCC. So already about $200 liao...
Ballot going on. 2bedroom 947sqft on high floor is about 830k which is about 880psf.
a current advert for a TOP condo in boon lay: 2 bedroom, 979 sq ft ( $820 PSF ).
optima has the edge in being in a cluster of condo.
SP specialist
01-08-09, 09:48
Now Optima only left typical penthouse units and very few 3/4brm units on low & ground floor level.
Even 2brm units facing mrt oso have takers.. Hope they can make money in future..
Now Optima only left typical penthouse units and very few 3/4brm units on low & ground floor level.
Even 2brm units facing mrt oso have takers.. Hope they can make money in future..
Metropolitian is also near MRT, and it is so noisy...:scared-3: :scared-3: :scared-3:
Just wonder did the buyers went to metropolitan and listern to to noise before buying those units facing MRT...:confused: :confused: :confused:
Really pray they can make money in the future...:2cents: :2cents: :2cents:
How to sell when buyer come to view your house and it is so noisy...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Property_Owner
02-08-09, 01:24
Now Optima only left typical penthouse units and very few 3/4brm units on low & ground floor level.
Even 2brm units facing mrt oso have takers.. Hope they can make money in future..
You guys see the ways these agents are talking nowadays. so yata papaya!
''optima 2rm face mrt also have takers leh.''
Metropolitian is also near MRT, and it is so noisy...:scared-3: :scared-3: :scared-3:
Just wonder did the buyers went to metropolitan and listern to to noise before buying those units facing MRT...:confused: :confused: :confused:
Really pray they can make money in the future...:2cents: :2cents: :2cents:
How to sell when buyer come to view your house and it is so noisy...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Nowadays, people seem to have high tolerance level to noise judging from number of number of condos bordering expressway. Or you can say that when they sign options, they are in the showflats so don't realize the noise. After signing S&P, they will just say 'aiya, noise not an issue lah'. Wait till TOP, they will get a shock of their life if they are not used to the noise level. Recently I watch TV, there are HDB people complaining about newly-opened petrol station car-washing noise ... say cannot sleep at all. Condo worse, come with oversized balcony facing expressway/MRT ... will become laundry area only.
Nowadays, people seem to have high tolerance level to noise judging from number of number of condos bordering expressway. Or you can say that when they sign options, they are in the showflats so don't realize the noise. After signing S&P, they will just say 'aiya, noise not an issue lah'. Wait till TOP, they will get a shock of their life if they are not used to the noise level.
once they move in then they will know
You guys see the ways these agents are talking nowadays. so yata papaya!
''optima 2rm face mrt also have takers leh.''
I was chatting with one ERA agent. I was asking him why HDB upgraders don't buy Casa Merah (almost TOP) at same price or nearby subsale condos like DBR @ 750-800psf instead of paying Optima @ 900psf. Are all of them fools? The agent laughed: "Yah, buy DBR subsale, the diff in price + interest you can buy one car for free. But hoh, these people cannot afford to buy subsale from Casa Merah/DBR bcos they do not have cash. Because you buy subsale, you must pay the seller cash to top up difference btn option price and subsale price. These HDB upgraders, can only afford 5% to pay by cash, 15% & stamp duty using CPF."
No wonder Optima can sell at 900psf. Scary situation. I think the government shold really release more lands in suburbs.. Otherwise very soon, many HDB upgraders will become slaves of bank loan.
Sounds like we are going to enter our own sub-prime crisis if something were to derail the improvement of the economy..... :eek: So do u think current condo owners should sell now? :beats-me-man:
I was chatting with one ERA agent. I was asking him why HDB upgraders don't buy Casa Merah (almost TOP) at same price or nearby subsale condos like DBR @ 750-800psf instead of paying Optima @ 900psf. Are all of them fools? The agent laughed: "Yah, buy DBR subsale, the diff in price + interest you can buy one car for free. But hoh, these people cannot afford to buy subsale from Casa Merah/DBR bcos they do not have cash. Because you buy subsale, you must pay the seller cash to top up difference btn option price and subsale price. These HDB upgraders, can only afford 5% to pay by cash, 15% & stamp duty using CPF."
No wonder Optima can sell at 900psf. Scary situation. I think the government shold really release more lands in suburbs.. Otherwise very soon, many HDB upgraders will become slaves of bank loan.
sub-sale condos nearing or at TOP have raised their prices making them unpalatable.
the 5% outlay fro new projects ( dirt low ? ) could be a factor where the property market is feverish ( high ) when the economy is still not well.
Yup, sounds logical ... around the same time as u posted this one, another forumer oso made the same comment (some other thread) ... scary hor ...
The ques is .. even if the govt were to release more land, doesn't nec translate to cheaper land or cheaper launches leh ... :2cents:
I was chatting with one ERA agent. I was asking him why HDB upgraders don't buy Casa Merah (almost TOP) at same price or nearby subsale condos like DBR @ 750-800psf instead of paying Optima @ 900psf. Are all of them fools? The agent laughed: "Yah, buy DBR subsale, the diff in price + interest you can buy one car for free. But hoh, these people cannot afford to buy subsale from Casa Merah/DBR bcos they do not have cash. Because you buy subsale, you must pay the seller cash to top up difference btn option price and subsale price. These HDB upgraders, can only afford 5% to pay by cash, 15% & stamp duty using CPF."
No wonder Optima can sell at 900psf. Scary situation. I think the government shold really release more lands in suburbs.. Otherwise very soon, many HDB upgraders will become slaves of bank loan.
Yup, sounds logical ... around the same time as u posted this one, another forumer oso made the same comment (some other thread) ... scary hor ...
The ques is .. even if the govt were to release more land, doesn't nec translate to cheaper land or cheaper launches leh ... :2cents:
they can release and set watever price they want but if no one buys they will lan lan have to lower price.. until demand picks up again.. end of day is still demand supply qns, see how prices plummet from nov 08 to mar 09? no one was buying ..
So none of u here bought optima ah? Looks like i'm the only fool/sucker/chaitao here :ashamed1:
But sorry hor i'm not one of those kiasu ones who went to queue hor. I just heard got balloting so i da yiao da pai walk in ok....:cool:
Metropolitian is also near MRT, and it is so noisy...:scared-3: :scared-3: :scared-3:
Just wonder did the buyers went to metropolitan and listern to to noise before buying those units facing MRT...:confused: :confused: :confused:
Really pray they can make money in the future...:2cents: :2cents: :2cents:
How to sell when buyer come to view your house and it is so noisy...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Some of the units at Centro is even nearer to MRT stn and line than Metropolitan and people are still paying more than $1000psf for it. They may have higher threshold for noise.:banghead:
Some of the units at Centro is even nearer to MRT stn and line than Metropolitan and people are still paying more than $1000psf for it. They may have higher threshold for noise.:banghead:
Just wonder how do these people watches TV at home...every 3 minutes a train pass-by...some more both side of direction.
This type of places that is so noisy, should be cheaper then the rest...some more paid for sure a high price...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
will DBR face the same problem? :beats-me-man:
Just wonder how do these people watches TV at home...every 3 minutes a train pass-by...some more both side of direction.
This type of places that is so noisy, should be cheaper then the rest...some more paid for sure a high price...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
DBR is near the track with cruising mrt is not as bad as next to mrt station. The braking and moving off sound, doors opening and closing is very irritating, plus the announcements.
DBR is near the track with cruising mrt is not as bad as next to mrt station. The braking and moving off sound, doors opening and closing is very irritating, plus the announcements.
Sorry! what is DBR? I was at my friend's place at Northvale near Choa Chu Kang (lot 1). I could hear it even at a distance when the train moves on the track. I believe continous noise is more bearable than intermittent noise like stopping,closing and moving off at the station. People will get use to it after a while unless they are hyper-sensitive to noise.
Completely SOLD OUT!! :scared-3:
http://www.h88.com.sg/article/Optima%40Tanah+Merah+completely+sold+out/
Completely SOLD OUT!! :scared-3:
http://www.h88.com.sg/article/Optima%40Tanah+Merah+completely+sold+out/
Ya man....crazy hor...as at last nite 9pm when i was there to sign my option, Only 3 penthouses left.
Ya man....crazy hor...as at last nite 9pm when i was there to sign my option, Only 3 penthouses left.
what was the avg psf?
i think wanbao reported that 1/3 of buyers took up 90% loan. can anyone verify? my mandarin cannot make it
Completely SOLD OUT!! :scared-3:
http://www.h88.com.sg/article/Optima%40Tanah+Merah+completely+sold+out/
Outdone 8@W! :cool:
what was the avg psf?
Not too sure abt that but newspapers put $780psf. The range is quite big, like my unit is only slightly over $600 whilst the 1BR were going for around $1000psf. 3BR mid floors around $800. Didnt notice 2BR but looks like should be around $900psf. Since most units are 1 and 2BR...i think the avg should be higher than what has been reported. I'm guessing should be around $900psf.
i think wanbao reported that 1/3 of buyers took up 90% loan. can anyone verify? my mandarin cannot make it
Wah that means quite a no of 1st time buyers? From what i understand most banks only grant up to 70% o 80% for 2nd property.
Not too sure abt that but newspapers put $780psf. The range is quite big, like my unit is only slightly over $600 whilst the 1BR were going for around $1000psf. 3BR mid floors around $800. Didnt notice 2BR but looks like should be around $900psf. Since most units are 1 and 2BR...i think the avg should be higher than what has been reported. I'm guessing should be around $900psf.
$600psf for that area is fair. But $900-1000 psf? anything above $800psf for a LH in such an area is pure suicide, unless the economy stabilizes. And if the wanbao reports of 90% loans are true - this is the start of Singapore's sub-prime.
$600psf for that area is fair. But $900-1000 psf? anything above $800psf for a LH in such an area is pure suicide, unless the economy stabilizes. And if the wanbao reports of 90% loans are true - this is the start of Singapore's sub-prime.
iirc optima is FH ~
iirc optima is FH ~
90% loan? which bank tie-up? or is it hong leong finance? :confused:
Ppl staying in the Sails also read wanbao?!? :D
i think wanbao reported that 1/3 of buyers took up 90% loan. can anyone verify? my mandarin cannot make it
90% loan? which bank tie-up? or is it hong leong finance? :confused:
dunno, but this thread title says its leasehold leh.
most banks can offer up to 90% loan, it all depends on your risk profile.
hihi... no surprise... this is a small development, near to MRT... ppl will just grab... wonder they did any research before buying....
Completely SOLD OUT!! :scared-3:
http://www.h88.com.sg/article/Optima%40Tanah+Merah+completely+sold+out/
Ppl staying in the Sails also read wanbao?!? :D
lol i can't read mandarin properly lah. my friend smsed me this info
buying property is like buying stock... research + news... buy low sell high... :cheers1:
hope optima owners r not buy high sell low... :D
Completely SOLD OUT!! :scared-3:
http://www.h88.com.sg/article/Optima%40Tanah+Merah+completely+sold+out/
buying property is like buying stock... research + news... buy low sell high... :cheers1:
hope optima owners r not buy high sell low... :D
a small hike in stamp duty will stop the frenzy hehee ~
$600psf for that area is fair. But $900-1000 psf? anything above $800psf for a LH in such an area is pure suicide, unless the economy stabilizes. And if the wanbao reports of 90% loans are true - this is the start of Singapore's sub-prime.
Mine with pes thats why lower psf. I did my homework. The recent transactions for pes units at casa merah already $653psf - $700psf. The lower range one has very bad facing as in no pool view facing tennis court, or fence or afternoon sun. $700psf one facing some water feature but not the main pool. My unit at optima is pool facing with no afternoon sun and still cheaper. On top of it the finishing is really nice much better quality.
I also went to waterfront key and the gale. The gale is cheaper around $560 to $580psf but so ulu. Waterfront key even more expensive. Was quoted $700psf for pool facing and $800++psf for reservoir facing...well in my case ground unit will be road facing.
I think it was a gd buy for me but really cant say the same for those paying 900-1000psf for a pigeon hole. esp those facing the mrt stn. Good luck to those guys....
look like bigger units pricing still reasonable, unlike those studios n 2 bedders. The 2 bedders i like, is $900psf, siao.
look like bigger units pricing still reasonable, unlike those studios n 2 bedders. The 2 bedders i like, is $900psf, siao.
You went to the showflat? The darker tone finishing is really nice right?
any photos?
You went to the showflat? The darker tone finishing is really nice right?
You went to the showflat? The darker tone finishing is really nice right?
I prefer Waterfront Key finishing ... the white marble option. So far, it is the best among all the projects I have seen including WFW, The Gale, Optima, DBR, Livia. WFK 2br has no planter and IMO it is worth 730+psf. Too bad no MRT till 2016, otherwise would be very tempted to q.
If government want to kill the demand, it is easy. Fisrt 20% & stamp duty must pay cash, no CPF allowed. :scared-5: Increase stamp duty will punish those who are rich as well so not a good solution.
Optima Fully sold............:scared-1:
DBR is near the track with cruising mrt is not as bad as next to mrt station. The braking and moving off sound, doors opening and closing is very irritating, plus the announcements.
Actually distance to noise source is not a problem as long as you have something in between to absord the sound waves. My existing flat is 350m away from MRT and 400m from PIE but I cannot hear any noise as the noise absorbed by buildings in between.
1. Low floor better than high floor. Because sound waves will be absorbed by tree/soil/fence & more reflection to diffuse it.
2. Multi-storey carpark facing MRT track ... many HDBs/condos near MRT are designed in this way e.g. Central Grove in Aljunied, Eunos Court near Eunos MRT, DBR at Simei
3. Trees/Green Wall/Waterfall/Water features etc will help to further drown/absord sound
The most obvious problem is probably the first MRT in the morning about 5.45-6 am. Other than that, MRT does not operate when u are sleeping anyway.
why you need MRT?!? since you drive... should go and Q...
I prefer Waterfront Key finishing ... the white marble option. So far, it is the best among all the projects I have seen including WFW, The Gale, Optima, DBR, Livia. WFK 2br has no planter and IMO it is worth 730+psf. Too bad no MRT till 2016, otherwise would be very tempted to q.
If government want to kill the demand, it is easy. Fisrt 20% & stamp duty must pay cash, no CPF allowed. :scared-5: Increase stamp duty will punish those who are rich as well so not a good solution.
Actually distance to noise source is not a problem as long as you have something in between to absord the sound waves. My existing flat is 350m away from MRT and 400m from PIE but I cannot hear any noise as the noise absorbed by buildings in between.
1. Low floor better than high floor. Because sound waves will be absorbed by tree/soil/fence & more reflection to diffuse it.
2. Multi-storey carpark facing MRT track ... many HDBs/condos near MRT are designed in this way e.g. Central Grove in Aljunied, Eunos Court near Eunos MRT, DBR at Simei
3. Trees/Green Wall/Waterfall/Water features etc will help to further drown/absord sound
The most obvious problem is probably the first MRT in the morning about 5.45-6 am. Other than that, MRT does not operate when u are sleeping anyway.
Not so le. Used to stay on 4th floor HDB at Bedok North about 500m from Tanah Merah MRT Stn & Track and still hear the noise throughout the day. :scared-4:
Only option will be to closed the Windows and "On" aircon whole day. :rolleyes:
I prefer Waterfront Key finishing ... the white marble option. So far, it is the best among all the projects I have seen including WFW, The Gale, Optima, DBR, Livia. WFK 2br has no planter and IMO it is worth 730+psf. Too bad no MRT till 2016, otherwise would be very tempted to q.
I hv seen all the above too and so far optima's finishing is the only one that really caught my attention. Color combinations and texture very unique. WFK white option is too plain and boring. The wall, floor, sink, toilet bowl, shower everything white no contrast at all. Actually the master toilet looks exactly the same as my current plc which is already 4 years old...design so outdated. The agent still can tell me i cant find this kind of finishing anywhere else...not even 5 star hotel. Obviously he has nvr chkd into a 5star hotel b4.
Did u see the floor and wall tiles in the common bath at optima? Does it remind u of something? not unique enuf for u?
i visited some condos at simei, when i stand at the swimming pool, the whole place is like air-plane landing when the train is passing by.... very noisy... :doh:
Not so le. Used to stay on 4th floor HDB at Bedok North about 500m from Tanah Merah MRT Stn & Track and still hear the noise throughout the day. :scared-4:
Only option will be to closed the Windows and "On" aircon whole day. :rolleyes:
did you hav any photo of the Optima showflat? no chance to see it...
yeah, white marble is not my cup of tea, i dont like... looks outdated... :eek:
I hv seen all the above too and so far optima's finishing is the only one that really caught my attention. Color combinations and texture very unique. WFK white option is too plain and boring. The wall, floor, sink, toilet bowl, shower everything white no contrast at all. Actually the master toilet looks exactly the same as my current plc which is already 4 years old...design so outdated. The agent still can tell me i cant find this kind of finishing anywhere else...not even 5 star hotel. Obviously he has nvr chkd into a 5star hotel b4.
Did u see the floor and wall tiles in the common bath at optima? Does it remind u of something? not unique enuf for u?
Not so le. Used to stay on 4th floor HDB at Bedok North about 500m from Tanah Merah MRT Stn & Track and still hear the noise throughout the day. :scared-4:
Only option will be to closed the Windows and "On" aircon whole day. :rolleyes:
That is because you don't have something in between to absorb the sound. Ok, you come to Simei, you go to the back of Eastpoint shopping centre, do you notice any MRT sound? At the back of Easpoint is only 200m from MRT. It is the same with expressway like PIE/ECP, if unblocked, 500m away high floor also noisy, if blocked, even 300m cannot hear.
That is because you don't have something in between to absorb the sound. Ok, you come to Simei, you go to the back of Eastpoint shopping centre, do you notice any MRT sound? At the back of Easpoint is only 200m from MRT. It is the same with expressway like PIE/ECP, if unblocked, 500m away high floor also noisy, if blocked, even 300m cannot hear.
Think there are no less than 5 HDB blocks between the unit and MRT track, but perhaps not all the MRT track are blocked then. Btw, will you want to stare at a MSCP or another block of flat? :doh:
i visited some condos at simei, when i stand at the swimming pool, the whole place is like air-plane landing when the train is passing by.... very noisy... :doh:
Modena/TSpring design got one big problem. It is a U-shape (i.e. the opening of U is towards the MRT track. So all the MRT noise enters via the U opening and reflect within the U. You can take a lift, go up to HDB block 227 opposite TSpring. The sound level will be only 10% of that you hear in TSpring as all the sound is absorbed by Modena/T.Spring. And my friend stay right in the middle in Simei Green, he say he does not notice MRT sound at all.
Optima is about 50m from the track i think and noise is going to be loud bcos nothing in between..
For those that is familiar with the area, mrt noise is 50%.. the other 50% is the busy road, esp in the early morning, many buses fetch workers to changi biz park, bedok industrial areas, etc.. those are very noisy, and when they wait, and others impatient, honking become very common..:scared-4:
why you need MRT?!? since you drive... should go and Q...
I don't drive. I have decided 10 years ago that car is a big liability in Singapore. The cost of driving is 400k for owning 3 cars in your life time if you factor in bank loan, petrol, insurance, road tax, ERP. And I expect cost of driving will go up significantly once all the MRT network is up.
jitkiat: so what do u think of the optima's common bathroom tiles? what does it look like?
jitkiat: so what do u think of the optima's common bathroom tiles? what does it look like?
If I remember it is black in color ... hmm ... I don't like black. And I don't have a peaceful feeling when looking at Master bedroom marble in Optima. I guess it is up to personal preference in terms of finishing as I prefer something simple.
If I remember it is black in color ... hmm ... I don't like black. And I don't have a peaceful feeling when looking at Master bedroom marble in Optima. I guess it is up to personal preference in terms of finishing as I prefer something simple.
It's not black. It's dark brown with mock leather look....
Was very crowded so only managed to snap a few pic using my mobile.
The 2nd pic actual color tone is lighter. Dunno why the pic turned out so dark...
I hv seen all the above too and so far optima's finishing is the only one that really caught my attention. Color combinations and texture very unique. WFK white option is too plain and boring. The wall, floor, sink, toilet bowl, shower everything white no contrast at all. Actually the master toilet looks exactly the same as my current plc which is already 4 years old...design so outdated. The agent still can tell me i cant find this kind of finishing anywhere else...not even 5 star hotel. Obviously he has nvr chkd into a 5star hotel b4.
Did u see the floor and wall tiles in the common bath at optima? Does it remind u of something? not unique enuf for u?
I actually quite confused why buyer are very particular about the furnishing. If you really dun like the finishing, you can always change it right? For example, you can just re-laminate the whole furnishing to suit your preference. And I think it wun cost more than $10k. But what is 10k if you are buying a condo for more than $1m right? Would you select your second choice condo just because it is $10k cheaper?
I dun mean it in a confrontation way.... Just wanted to understand the thought process...
I actually quite confused why buyer are very particular about the furnishing. If you really dun like the finishing, you can always change it right? For example, you can just re-laminate the whole furnishing to suit your preference. And I think it wun cost more than $10k. But what is 10k if you are buying a condo for more than $1m right? Would you select your second choice condo just because it is $10k cheaper?
I dun mean it in a confrontation way.... Just wanted to understand the thought process...
Of course location and layout come 1st lah. If the finishings are nice all the better lor. Don't forget the $1m u paid includes all these stuff. U paid for them and they are brand new. Just bcos u dun like them u gonna tear everything down and redo? Of course if u are very rich and no where else to spend your money then i got nothing to say. For me i'm not so rich, i paid more than a mil bucks for something i better make sure it worth my money. Just like if u pay hundreds of thousands for a nice new beemer u want to choose the body color, leather color. etc rite? You don't just take whatever the salesman give you and after that u realise u don't like the color u spend money to spraypaint it or change the whole leather seats eventhough it won't cost u a lot of money to do that.
And it's not just about money. It's not environmental friendly too. :rolleyes:
Property_Owner
03-08-09, 10:14
Was very crowded so only managed to snap a few pic using my mobile.
Are you the lady in the mirror? :)
Are you the lady in the mirror? :)
oops...:ashamed1:
Property_Owner
03-08-09, 11:33
Last heard, 100% sold. :doh:
. Just like if u pay hundreds of thousands for a nice new beemer u want to choose the body color, leather color. etc rite? You don't just take whatever the salesman give you and after that u realise u don't like the color u spend money to spraypaint it or change the whole leather seats eventhough it won't cost u a lot of money to do that.
And it's not just about money. It's not environmental friendly too. :rolleyes:
I would buy a 2nd hand car, the most chialat color, the most chialat interior - it will be priced far cheaper than the other 'close to new' - then bring it for respray, reupholster to italian leather, maybe convert the iDrive to play DVDs/PS3/Nav. The sum i save will still be more than what it costs for 'close to new', and definitely a lot more than brand new. But that's juz me
Mine with pes thats why lower psf. I did my homework. The recent transactions for pes units at casa merah already $653psf - $700psf. The lower range one has very bad facing as in no pool view facing tennis court, or fence or afternoon sun. $700psf one facing some water feature but not the main pool. My unit at optima is pool facing with no afternoon sun and still cheaper. On top of it the finishing is really nice much better quality.
I also went to waterfront key and the gale. The gale is cheaper around $560 to $580psf but so ulu. Waterfront key even more expensive. Was quoted $700psf for pool facing and $800++psf for reservoir facing...well in my case ground unit will be road facing.
I think it was a gd buy for me but really cant say the same for those paying 900-1000psf for a pigeon hole. esp those facing the mrt stn. Good luck to those guys....
I don't want to sound negative here !! Paying for PES meaning your absolute quantum is more $$$ no doubt your overall psf is lower when compared to 2nd floor without the PES. Eventually when (if) you sell, will the next buyer be willing to pay for extra $$$ for the PES area, taking note most buyers take note of the Liveable areas (internal sq ft). This is not a landed property , some more it is not FH. Even freehold ground floor with PES may not find buyers willing to pay for the PES. Why ? - PES is considered "common" area no doubt it is fenced.
I would buy a 2nd hand car, the most chialat color, the most chialat interior - it will be priced far cheaper than the other 'close to new' - then bring it for respray, reupholster to italian leather, maybe convert the iDrive to play DVDs/PS3/Nav. The sum i save will still be more than what it costs for 'close to new', and definitely a lot more than brand new. But that's juz me
Yes after all the works the car may look as gd as new but the engine is still old and weary. Ok...what if the cost of 2nd car plus all the fancy stuff come up to be the same as a brand new car with original nice interior, which one will u choose? when u choose your wife it's about the whole package rite? u must like her personality, her looks and everything abt her. Unless u are one of those guys who will make their wives go for plastic surgery so she will look exactly how they want her to look. :D
Haha...just ignore me....talking nonsense. must be due to PMS. ;)
Yes after all the works the car may look as gd as new but the engine is still old and weary. Ok...what if the cost of 2nd car plus all the fancy stuff come up to be the same as a brand new car with original nice interior, which one will u choose? when u choose your wife it's about the whole package rite? u must like her personality, her looks and everything abt her. Unless u are one of those guys who will make their wives go for plastic surgery so she will look exactly how they want her to look. :D
Haha...just ignore me....talking nonsense. must be due to PMS. ;)
notti girl, dun give me ideas leh. lol
notti girl, dun give me ideas leh. lol
haha...your wife needs "refurbishing"? just get a new "car" lah....everything original. hee hee
I don't want to sound negative here !! Paying for PES meaning your absolute quantum is more $$$ no doubt your overall psf is lower when compared to 2nd floor without the PES. Eventually when (if) you sell, will the next buyer be willing to pay for extra $$$ for the PES area, taking note most buyers take note of the Liveable areas (internal sq ft). This is not a landed property , some more it is not FH. Even freehold ground floor with PES may not find buyers willing to pay for the PES. Why ? - PES is considered "common" area no doubt it is fenced.
Yeah i know most ppl hv the same mentality as you.
Firstly PES is not "common" area, it belongs to me. Other residents hv no access. I can do whatever i want to it, put all my barang barang there but other residents can't.
I'm buying for own stay so not too concerned with the selling part for now. Besides i'm sure there are ppl who do appreciate patio units like me, u see DBR all ground units sold out? Nowadays units are getting smaller and smaller, I like my kids to hv more space to run around rather than "trapped" in a "bird cage". Did consider landed but i'm very greedy, i want condo facilities and 24hrs security as well, so best of both world lor.
Finally, these days do ppl still think FH better than LH?? I say it's LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. Years back when i bought a 99LH, my friends were boosting to me they got their FH units cheaper than mine. But now, my LH value has almost doubled but theirs? still stagnant at the original purchase price. I rest my case :)
Yeah i know most ppl hv the same mentality as you.
Firstly PES is not "common" area, it belongs to me. Other residents hv no access. I can do whatever i want to it, put all my barang barang there but other residents can't.
I'm buying for own stay so not too concerned with the selling part for now. Besides i'm sure there are ppl who do appreciate patio units like me, u see DBR all ground units sold out? Nowadays units are getting smaller and smaller, I like my kids to hv more space to run around rather than "trapped" in a "bird cage". Did consider landed but i'm very greedy, i want condo facilities and 24hrs security as well, so best of both world lor.
Finally, these days do ppl still think FH better than LH?? I say it's LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. Years back when i bought a 99LH, my friends were boosting to me they got their FH units cheaper than mine. But now, my LH value has almost doubled but theirs? still stagnant at the original purchase price. I rest my case :)
I dun know whether you have stayed in landed or low floors before. One problem is mosquito. Just curious, why do you think Tanah Merah a very good location? Why not WFK or other projects in the East? Why not Casa Merah?
Yes after all the works the car may look as gd as new but the engine is still old and weary. Ok...what if the cost of 2nd car plus all the fancy stuff come up to be the same as a brand new car with original nice interior, which one will u choose? when u choose your wife it's about the whole package rite? u must like her personality, her looks and everything abt her. Unless u are one of those guys who will make their wives go for plastic surgery so she will look exactly how they want her to look. :D
Haha...just ignore me....talking nonsense. must be due to PMS. ;)
I think you just made my point. When I choose wife, I look at the complete package. But I will still choose her if I dun like her clothes and dresses. Because I know that I can help her change her wardrobe, which no doubt will cost a bit.
What I meant is that there is no perfect condo (at least for me). But at least the important factors should be the things that I can't change (ie. location, floor, external, facilities, etc..). Nice internal furnishing is a bonus, but if it is not ideal, just treat it as a chance to change everything to your liking..
I dun know whether you have stayed in landed or low floors before. One problem is mosquito.
My 1st home was also a ground flr unit. Didnt hv mozzies problem, but had cockroaches which i hate. That was bcos the rubbish collection pt was just right next to my yard! We didnt realise that until we moved in. Not only that every morning when they came to collect the rubbish....so noisy and smelly.
Just curious, why do you think Tanah Merah a very good location?
Nice quiet neighbourhood...laid back... Stayed there for 6 yrs and hv fond memories with that plc. miss my late nite supper....prata. :)
Why not WFK or other projects in the East? Why not Casa Merah?
If u hv read my previous post:
1) WFK quoted 700-850psf, optima 61Xpsf and got mrt, u choose which one? Actually mrt is not the reason why i bought optima as we dun take mrt. More for sentimental reason.
2) The gale abt 50psf cheaper but location...ahem..u know what i mean rite....(must be diplomatic now as my face has been exposed...hee hee)
3) Casa merah? dun like the layout, mickey mouse kitchen. Aunitie here does the cooking, so im particular with the functionality. Finishing? shall not comment further otherwise hkching will hv more things to say :scared-3:
4) DBR. price reasonable and nice facilities. Almost bought a unit there but no offence hor.(i know u r 1 of the owners) :) ..my other half doesnt like the MSCP and communal rubbish chutes. by the way u mentioned u dun like dark color finishing. DBR 3br and below all dark brown color leh and kitchen aiyoh bright orange :doh:
Yeah i know most ppl hv the same mentality as you.
Firstly PES is not "common" area, it belongs to me. Other residents hv no access. I can do whatever i want to it, put all my barang barang there but other residents can't.
I'm buying for own stay so not too concerned with the selling part for now. Besides i'm sure there are ppl who do appreciate patio units like me, u see DBR all ground units sold out? Nowadays units are getting smaller and smaller, I like my kids to hv more space to run around rather than "trapped" in a "bird cage". Did consider landed but i'm very greedy, i want condo facilities and 24hrs security as well, so best of both world lor.
Finally, these days do ppl still think FH better than LH?? I say it's LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION. Years back when i bought a 99LH, my friends were boosting to me they got their FH units cheaper than mine. But now, my LH value has almost doubled but theirs? still stagnant at the original purchase price. I rest my case :)
Sorry that you may not see my point about paying extra $$$ for PES in a Condo. If the PES area is too big say 25% of your total sq f, it become a critical factor in later selling. I have friends who own LH and FH Condo with big PES. It becomes a big factor when they later decide to sell their unit as those buyers do not want to pay for the non-living areas. :scared-2:
I think you just made my point. When I choose wife, I look at the complete package. But I will still choose her if I dun like her clothes and dresses. Because I know that I can help her change her wardrobe, which no doubt will cost a bit.
What I meant is that there is no perfect condo (at least for me). But at least the important factors should be the things that I can't change (ie. location, floor, external, facilities, etc..). Nice internal furnishing is a bonus, but if it is not ideal, just treat it as a chance to change everything to your liking..
If a woman is langar, no matter how she dresses up in designer labels still cannot beat a young pretty girl in simple tank top and shorts. :D right guys? when u look at women (when wives not around) do u look at their beautiful face or what designer outfit they are wearing?
True lah not easy to hv everything perfect. At least optima satisfies most of my requirements ie location, accessibility, layout, pricing..plus a bonus (finishing suits my taste...so hyatt)
Daniel Foo
03-08-09, 16:30
I dun know whether you have stayed in landed or low floors before. One problem is mosquito. Just curious, why do you think Tanah Merah a very good location? Why not WFK or other projects in the East? Why not Casa Merah?
For groundfloor PES unit, my 2 cents worth & feedback below :-
1) you are paying for the excess space. Your next buyer will not appreciate and may not pay the extra area unless it is "Ang Moh", they like pation & mini-garden to drink red wine in the patio.
2) being the ground floor unit, you are vulnerable to things dropping down from the higher floor. There was an incident in which my friend head was nearly hit when a miniature plant fell from a higher floor resident.
3) when it rains, the ground floor unit gets all the dirty rain water from your friend above (provides you install a automatic canopy or rain shutter)
4) everyone who walks pass your unit, human tendancy to peep or glance into your unit ==> no privacy
5) people who smoke on the higher floor tend to flick their ashes down.
6) your clothes left in the open to air or sun, tend to get stain by foreign objects flying down upstairs
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Sorry that you may not see my point about paying extra $$$ for PES in a Condo. If the PES area is too big say 25% of your total sq f, it become a critical factor in later selling. I have friends who own LH and FH Condo with big PES. It becomes a big factor when they later decide to sell their unit as those buyers do not want to pay for the non-living areas. :scared-2:
I get your point. IF the buyer is not willing to pay for PES then they won't even look at it in the 1st plc rite? If they actually go and view a PES unit they must be interested, perhaps they are just using that as an excuse to bargain. I hv seen enuf of such buyers, they come view your unit and complain this complain that then ask to lower the price.
I hv given my piece on why i like pes unit, it's a personal lifestyle preference. I'm not seeking approval from anyone here, or asking anyone to share the same view as me. If i really hv to sell at a loss in the future so be it.
1) you are paying for the excess space. Your next buyer will not appreciate and may not pay the extra area unless it is "Ang Moh", they like pation & mini-garden to drink red wine in the patio.
Ans can be found in my previous post.
2) being the ground floor unit, you are vulnerable to things dropping down from the higher floor. There was an incident in which my friend head was nearly hit when a miniature plant fell from a higher floor resident.
3) when it rains, the ground floor unit gets all the dirty rain water from your friend above (provides you install a automatic canopy or rain shutter
I do intend to install an awning, trellis or something like that.
4) everyone who walks pass your unit, human tendancy to peep or glance into your unit ==> no privacy
I'm ok with that...
5) people who smoke on the higher floor tend to flick their ashes down. h
If i catch the person who does that i will shoot him down. :D
The nite after we bought the unit my hubby has a nightmare that someone threw the cigerette butt and our pes caught fire. lol
6) your clothes left in the open to air or sun, tend to get stain by foreign objects flying down upstairs
ans same as no 5
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Just curious, why do you think Tanah Merah a very good location?
Nice quiet neighbourhood...laid back... Stayed there for 6 yrs and hv fond memories with that plc. miss my late nite supper....prata. :)
Bedok simpang.... they got pretty good satay over there too.... :p
I get your point. IF the buyer is not willing to pay for PES then they won't even look at it in the 1st plc rite? If they actually go and view a PES unit they must be interested, perhaps they are just using that as an excuse to bargain. I hv seen enuf of such buyers, they come view your unit and complain this complain that then ask to lower the price.
I hv given my piece on why i like pes unit, it's a personal lifestyle preference. I'm not seeking approval from anyone here, or asking anyone to share the same view as me. If i really hv to sell at a loss in the future so be it.
Sure as long you do not feel like :banghead: :banghead:
1) you are paying for the excess space. Your next buyer will not appreciate and may not pay the extra area unless it is "Ang Moh", they like pation & mini-garden to drink red wine in the patio.
Ans can be found in my previous post.
2) being the ground floor unit, you are vulnerable to things dropping down from the higher floor. There was an incident in which my friend head was nearly hit when a miniature plant fell from a higher floor resident.
3) when it rains, the ground floor unit gets all the dirty rain water from your friend above (provides you install a automatic canopy or rain shutter
I do intend to install an awning, trellis or something like that.
4) everyone who walks pass your unit, human tendancy to peep or glance into your unit ==> no privacy
I'm ok with that...
5) people who smoke on the higher floor tend to flick their ashes down. h
If i catch the person who does that i will shoot him down. :D
The nite after we bought the unit my hubby has a nightmare that someone threw the cigerette butt and our pes caught fire. lol
6) your clothes left in the open to air or sun, tend to get stain by foreign objects flying down upstairs
ans same as no 5
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If the project comes with trellis cover it fine .. if not not too sure if you can erect anything of your own even though it is in your private area. My frens stay in one with huge PES and MA do not allowed anything to be erected after 10 years staying ground floor. Up to now she is not really enjoying the idea of thing thrown from upstair. Worst part is that she still :banghead: about paying for the PES and not getting a bigger unit for the extra $$$ paid , and buyers not interested in paying for PES :banghead:
4) DBR. price reasonable and nice facilities. Almost bought a unit there but no offence hor.(i know u r 1 of the owners) :) ..my other half doesnt like the MSCP and communal rubbish chutes. by the way u mentioned u dun like dark color finishing. DBR 3br and below all dark brown color leh and kitchen aiyoh bright orange :doh:
I agreed with you on point (4) - MSCP & communal rubbish chute very typical HDB features... :banghead:
If the project comes with trellis cover it fine .. if not not too sure if you can erect anything of your own even though it is in your private area. My frens stay in one with huge PES and MA do not allowed anything to be erected after 10 years staying ground floor. Up to now she is not really enjoying the idea of thing thrown from upstair. Worst part is that she still :banghead: about paying for the PES and not getting a bigger unit for the extra $$$ paid , and buyers not interested in paying for PES :banghead:
I have got neighbors that claimed that the developer has given them agreement to erect the awning like structure to shield against flying objects falling from above. But eventually when the MCST took over, they demanded these structures to be dismantled as it contravenes the building regulations act.... blah... blah... blah.... :confused:
If the project comes with trellis cover it fine .. if not not too sure if you can erect anything of your own even though it is in your private area. My frens stay in one with huge PES and MA do not allowed anything to be erected after 10 years staying ground floor. Up to now she is not really enjoying the idea of thing thrown from upstair. Worst part is that she still :banghead: about paying for the PES and not getting a bigger unit for the extra $$$ paid , and buyers not interested in paying for PES :banghead:[/QUOTE]
May i know which condo is that?
I agreed with you on point (4) - MSCP & communal rubbish chute very typical HDB features... :banghead:
I won't even touch HDB with communal rubbish chute and would probably even go for older resale units with my own chute coz I believe in being able to throw rubbish at my own convenience..... :D
If the project comes with trellis cover it fine .. if not not too sure if you can erect anything of your own even though it is in your private area. My frens stay in one with huge PES and MA do not allowed anything to be erected after 10 years staying ground floor. Up to now she is not really enjoying the idea of thing thrown from upstair. Worst part is that she still :banghead: about paying for the PES and not getting a bigger unit for the extra $$$ paid , and buyers not interested in paying for PES :banghead:
May i know which condo is that?[/quote]
Hi Venus, not sure you read the last Sat (1 Aug) Straits Times Special Report - It's my condo....
There is one section that mentioned abt The Tropica in Tampines.
This is the extract :
In recent years, residents of ground-floor units have erected trellises over their patios, citing safety concerns about litter dropped from higher floors. But this worried second-floor residents who felt the trellises could help intruders break into their units. According to chairman Kenny Khoo, the management council found the trellises could be deemed to breach biulding guidelines. But rather than force the removal of trellises immediately, the council set up a Q&A session last week with a lawyer present, allowing residents to have their questions addressed.
May i know which condo is that?
Hi Venus, not sure you read the last Sat (1 Aug) Straits Times Special Report - It's my condo....
There is one section that mentioned abt The Tropica in Tampines.
This is the extract :
In recent years, residents of ground-floor units have erected trellises over their patios, citing safety concerns about litter dropped from higher floors. But this worried second-floor residents who felt the trellises could help intruders break into their units. According to chairman Kenny Khoo, the management council found the trellises could be deemed to breach biulding guidelines. But rather than force the removal of trellises immediately, the council set up a Q&A session last week with a lawyer present, allowing residents to have their questions addressed.[/QUOTE]
yes i read that article. My present condo has no problem with ground units installing awnings.
WolleyDragon
03-08-09, 17:48
If the project comes with trellis cover it fine .. if not not too sure if you can erect anything of your own even though it is in your private area. My frens stay in one with huge PES and MA do not allowed anything to be erected after 10 years staying ground floor. Up to now she is not really enjoying the idea of thing thrown from upstair. Worst part is that she still :banghead: about paying for the PES and not getting a bigger unit for the extra $$$ paid , and buyers not interested in paying for PES :banghead:
May i know which condo is that?[/quote]
look thru your Sales & Purchase agreement.. specifically no self erection of structures allowed.
Think the main reason is that being a condo environment, all structures should have uniform erections (I somehow seem to repeat this word).. else you'll have tom with his gazebo in PES while Ah Seng with his own pagoda.. complete madness & eyesore everywhere.
Some MC is very flexible with this....hope you can install the trellises.
Like the pics you posted. Nice!
Hi Venus, not sure you read the last Sat (1 Aug) Straits Times Special Report - It's my condo....
There is one section that mentioned abt The Tropica in Tampines.
This is the extract :
In recent years, residents of ground-floor units have erected trellises over their patios, citing safety concerns about litter dropped from higher floors. But this worried second-floor residents who felt the trellises could help intruders break into their units. According to chairman Kenny Khoo, the management council found the trellises could be deemed to breach biulding guidelines. But rather than force the removal of trellises immediately, the council set up a Q&A session last week with a lawyer present, allowing residents to have their questions addressed.
yes i read that article. My present condo has no problem with ground units installing awnings.[/quote]
yes i read that article. My present condo has no problem with ground units installing awnings.
Most prob all the folks living on the 2nd floor don't see this as an issue threatening the security, that's why they didn't bother the management and in return, the management also didn't bother u....
Hi all,
At the end of the day, it is all about personal choice, so I reckon there is no point trying to negate Venus's decision to opt for a PES unit. :doh: Let us be more gracious and be more positive here yeap, since there is absolutely no need for her to defend her choice to be honest.
Btw, even though I do prefer high floor units myself, I have enjoyed the wonders that an extended PES can bring one; am pretty sure it can be a real lifestyle enhancer if used properly. May you enjoy your PES in a couple years' time Venus. Cheers!
look thru your Sales & Purchase agreement.. specifically no self erection of structures allowed.
Think the main reason is that being a condo environment, all structures should have uniform erections (I somehow seem to repeat this word).. else you'll have tom with his gazebo in PES while Ah Seng with his own pagoda.. complete madness & eyesore everywhere.
Apparently it also contravenes some building regulation act.... not sure if the MCST will kena fine or not for allowing such structures to stand...
WolleyDragon
03-08-09, 17:58
Apparently it also contravenes some building regulation act.... not sure if the MCST will kena fine or not for allowing such structures to stand...
yeah, heard that the money people who paid for PES is cheaper to BCA as it's an uncovered area.. if you erect structures to cover your PES, basically got to pay as it's considered a built-in area.. as compared to open area.
Some MC is very flexible with this....hope you can install the trellises.
Like the pics you posted. Nice!
Still got few years to TOP...will deal with that when the time comes....relax lah. Anyway appreciate all of you for your feedbacks, pointers, +ve and -ve comments. Pardon me if i may sounded silly sometimes....just some lighthearted exchanges. Dun be so serious leh....
ken: seen all your pics at WFW thread too....nice. u must be an avid photographer. Did u rec my PM?
Still got few years to TOP...will deal with that when the time comes....relax lah. Anyway appreciate all of you for your feedbacks, pointers, +ve and -ve comments. Pardon me if i may sounded silly sometimes....just some lighthearted exchanges. Dun be so serious leh....
ken: seen all your pics at WFW thread too....nice. u must be an avid photographer. Did u rec my PM?
Congrats on finding an ideal place that meets your requirements! In fact your views are pretty balanced... at least to me... :cheers1:
THANK YOU! Should change your nick to "kindsoul" :)
Each type of units got their pros and cons. Some ppl may think penthouse is the best. But there is this penthouse unit at my present plc got struck by lightning during a thunderstorm.
Hi all,
At the end of the day, it is all about personal choice, so I reckon there is no point trying to negate Venus's decision to opt for a PES unit. :doh: Let us be more gracious and be more positive here yeap, since there is absolutely no need for her to defend her choice to be honest.
Btw, even though I do prefer high floor units myself, I have enjoyed the wonders that an extended PES can bring one; am pretty sure it can be a real lifestyle enhancer if used properly. May you enjoy your PES in a couple years' time Venus. Cheers!
Hi venus, thanks.
Fyi, I'm a very lousy photographer. Just keen to take construction progress photos to share with my WFW Crazy family.
Yes received. I have PM you.
Still got few years to TOP...will deal with that when the time comes....relax lah. Anyway appreciate all of you for your feedbacks, pointers, +ve and -ve comments. Pardon me if i may sounded silly sometimes....just some lighthearted exchanges. Dun be so serious leh....
ken: seen all your pics at WFW thread too....nice. u must be an avid photographer. Did u rec my PM?
when u look at women (when wives not around) do u look at their beautiful face or what designer outfit they are wearing?
Neither.. I look at somethingS else.. if they are not noticable, then she is invisible.. :D
Neither.. I look at somethingS else.. if they are not noticable, then she is invisible.. :D
ok...whichever "parts" u look at....the last thing u will notice is the outfit rite? :tsk-tsk: notti notti
Congrats on finding an ideal place that meets your requirements! In fact your views are pretty balanced... at least to me... :cheers1:
Thank you. This is a public forum for everyone to exchange views. Sometimes ppl dun agreed with one another...thats alright. As long as there is no personal attack, profanities and name callings it's fine. :cheers1:
proud owner
03-08-09, 20:46
Thank you. This is a public forum for everyone to exchange views. Sometimes ppl dun agreed with one another...thats alright. As long as there is no personal attack, profanities and name callings it's fine. :cheers1:
is it true its sold out ??
if it is .. this thread is be quiet soon ...just liek metropolitan .. hardly any input .. come TOP lagi worse ..
but waterfront waves will b an exception... Lol
is it true its sold out ??
if it is .. this thread is be quiet soon ...just liek metropolitan .. hardly any input .. come TOP lagi worse ..
but waterfront waves will b an exception... Lol
yes confirmed 100% sold as at yesterday.
So envious of WFW owners so united. poor me the only one here ....sob sob.
Dont be sad... In WFW, we hav come a long way...
yes confirmed 100% sold as at yesterday.
So envious of WFW owners so united. poor me the only one here ....sob sob.
proud owner
03-08-09, 21:40
Dont be sad... In WFW, we hav come a long way...
i am happy for the WFW owners..really good spirits ..
so i can only conclude that the buyers of WFW are people who buy to stay ..
congrats to all optima buyers...i am NOT one of them...:doh:
Optima flippers in action already
The word "flip", "flipper" and "flipping" has rarely been mentioned since the property market cool down in September 2007. However things seem to be a changing...
Amongst rumors of property agents grabbing a few coveted units for themselves at Optima@Tanah Merah, we have sighted the first signs of flippers even before ink on the options have dried.
One of our sources that wish to remain anonymous spotted units in Optima@Tanah Merah being flipped in an agent multi-listing system:
"SOLD OUT PROJECT!! OPTIMA @ TANAH MERAH PREMIER STACK 17, 2+STUDY, 947SQFT, #04, #06, #07 $993psf. CALL: 985XXXXX - Charles"
So an uncompleted two bedroom in Tanah Merah is now asking for $940k. Oh, and expect more ads from Optima@Tanah Merah flippers in the papers tomorrow.
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Optima@Tanah Merah completely sold out
Well folks, it seems that there is no end to this buying frenzy and it's just getting worse. We have just received word that Optima@Tanah Merah was completely sold out this afternoon.
We know its just beside the MRT, but with prices edging close to S$1,000psf for a condo at the very edge of District 16 (we're talking about Tanah Merah after all), we wonder if the frenzy is just feeding the frenzy.
2BR and 2+1BR units went for about S$860psf, 3BR were going for S$820psf. Studios were hitting close to the S$1,000 psf mark.
come join us....we welcome u too....hehehe....;)
yes confirmed 100% sold as at yesterday.
So envious of WFW owners so united. poor me the only one here ....sob sob.
come join us....we welcome u too....hehehe....;)
I would love to....but i'm broke now after buying optima :o
hi venus, which stack you bought ?
Regulators
04-08-09, 03:03
what is ur motivatn to pay 9xxpsf for tanah merah ?
I would love to....but i'm broke now after buying optima :o
Property_Owner
04-08-09, 09:11
what is ur motivatn to pay 9xxpsf for tanah merah ?
share leh. I know sure have people bought new launch recently but most of them keep quite. You must tell us. :)
http://www.straitstimes.com/Money/Story/STIStory_411987.html
August 4, 2009 Tuesday
Sold out in 3 days
297-unit Optima homes sold for around $810 psf; other launches also see strong demand
By Joyce Teo, Property Correspondent
SINGAPORE may still be mired in recession, but tell that to the home hunters who are flocking to the latest launches.
In the east, a new 297-unit condominium development on the doorstep of Tanah Merah MRT station completely sold out in the three days that followed its preview last Thursday.
Units at Optima went for an average price of around $810 per sq ft, or from $470,000 to $2.06million per unit.
Demand remained strong even after developer TID - a joint venture between Hong Leong Group and Mitsui Fudosan - raised prices by 5per cent, from $790 psf on Thursday to $830 psf by Friday.
Keen buyers were already seen queueing days before the launch of the 99-year leasehold condominium.
And TID had to conduct a ballot of 120 units for 300 buyers just before midnight on Thursday to prevent them having to camp out overnight for the public launch the next day.
Buyers were a good mix of HDB upgraders and investors, said the Hong Leong Group spokesman.
City Developments has now put on fast track the launch of its 396-unit project at the former Hong Leong Garden condominium site.
Over in Ang Mo Kio, another new suburban launch has attracted relatively strong demand, though some price resistance may have settled in over the weekend.
The 329-unit Centro Residences has sold 93 out of the 144 units that were released for sale last week.
Most of the units sold were two- to three-bedders. The smallest two-bedders have been sold, leaving those from 872sqft and above, and priced from $1million.
Far East Organization said yesterday that 50per cent of the buyers are HDB upgraders from nearby towns, while the rest are residents from private estates.
Prices at the 99-year leasehold condominium started from $1,100 psf - a price level more typical of city-fringe or prime projects, property watchers observed.
'Such prices can get you a freehold condo in Upper Bukit Timah,' said Mr Nicholas Mak, a former property consultant. 'Buyers should be a bit more rational. Demand at such price levels shows that some buyers may be getting carried away by the current euphoria.
'If they are hoping for capital appreciation, they must ask themselves who is going to buy from them at an even higher price when a three-bedroom unit in a suburban project is usually priced less than $1,000 psf,' he added.
Elsewhere, some other fairly new launches continued to attract buyers, but at a much slower pace.
Waterfront Key in Bedok Reservoir sold another eight units at an average price of $735 psf, bringing total sales to 193 out of 278 released units.
At the 329-unit The Gale in Flora Road, sales remained around the 90per cent level cited late last week.
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hahaha...its ok....u can come join us at our little party when TOP. Then u can invite us all over when ur turn comes....frankly speaking, I have not been to Optima showroom....so its a good time to view it 3yrs down...:)
I would love to....but i'm broke now after buying optima :o
The government has spoken. Unfortunately, this will lead to more frenzy as people will rush to buy now in case the government starts implementing new policies, such as increasing the cash component to 10%, higher stamp duties, CPF restrictions etc, which will put their dream homes out of reach.
Thank Q so much for taking me in. I feel like an orphan all alone here :( Now I feel the warmth of kampong spirit :)
I last heard they may keep the showflt opened for 2 wks for buyers to hv a better look since it was too chaotic the 1st 2 days.Such a waste to tear it down after few days rite? Go and get some ID ideas for your new plc also gd mah. Ken very free (got so much time to take pics) can go chk if its open. ;)
hahaha...its ok....u can come join us at our little party when TOP. Then u can invite us all over when ur turn comes....frankly speaking, I have not been to Optima showroom....so its a good time to view it 3yrs down...:)
haha...yes i will go down to check it out...of coz with my camera:D
Thank Q so much for taking me in. I feel like an orphan all alone here :( Now I feel the warmth of kampong spirit :)
I last heard they may keep the showflt opened for 2 wks for buyers to hv a better look since it was too chaotic the 1st 2 days.Such a waste to tear it down after few days rite? Go and get some ID ideas for your new plc also gd mah. Ken very free (got so much time to take pics) can go chk if its open. ;)
share leh. I know sure have people bought new launch recently but most of them keep quite. You must tell us. :)
Was wondering got 297 buyers how come I'm the only one here. Dunno to call myself hero or dumb to own up :o
I don't want to talk about my new buy anymore lah. u didn't see how I kena whacked left right centre yesterday? So many guys bully one lady :rolleyes: nursing my injury now :p
haha...yes i will go down to check it out...of coz with my camera:D
Hey post one with your handsome face in it ok? :D
Great! Walking distance from ur home...hahaha....Remember to take more nice pictures ok? Thks!
haha...yes i will go down to check it out...of coz with my camera:D
:D :D :D :D :D
I will skip the bathrooms...
Hey post one with your handsome face in it ok? :D
Thks heroine but don't think i have the chance lah....been very tied up recently....probably u can come over to WFW thread to chit chat....at least won't get hantum...wahahaha....
Thank Q so much for taking me in. I feel like an orphan all alone here :( Now I feel the warmth of kampong spirit :)
I last heard they may keep the showflt opened for 2 wks for buyers to hv a better look since it was too chaotic the 1st 2 days.Such a waste to tear it down after few days rite? Go and get some ID ideas for your new plc also gd mah. Ken very free (got so much time to take pics) can go chk if its open. ;)
tats a good one! Anyway, if i ever see someone taking photos with a SLR at WFW then I noe its u...hahaha.....
:D :D :D :D :D
I will skip the bathrooms...
Thank Q so much for taking me in. I feel like an orphan all alone here :( Now I feel the warmth of kampong spirit :)
I last heard they may keep the showflt opened for 2 wks for buyers to hv a better look since it was too chaotic the 1st 2 days.Such a waste to tear it down after few days rite? Go and get some ID ideas for your new plc also gd mah. Ken very free (got so much time to take pics) can go chk if its open. ;)
Think they will keep the showflats until all options are exercised la. :cool:
Congrats on your purchased as used to live nearby too and always enjoy hanging out at Simpang Bedok Sarabat Stall. :D
tats a good one! Anyway, if i ever see someone taking photos with a SLR at WFW then I noe its u...hahaha.....
ya ya rub it in guys :tongue3:
hmmm...administrator so inefficient
Think they will keep the showflats until all options are exercised la. :cool:
Congrats on your purchased as used to live nearby too and always enjoy hanging out at Simpang Bedok Sarabat Stall. :D
I used to stay around there too. you lived in one of the landed?
I used to stay around there too. you lived in one of the landed?
No la, the HDB behind so we always cycle there as well as Bedok Corner for supper. :cool:
Btw, also one of those buyers who kena humtum left-right-center for the other sell-out project 8@W. :cheers1:
how you know he is using an SLR?:confused:
tats a good one! Anyway, if i ever see someone taking photos with a SLR at WFW then I noe its u...hahaha.....
:D :D :D :D :D
I will skip the bathrooms...
Actually I'm not the one in the pic. Im the one on the left side with hp held up in my hand but face hidden. Right ken?
now Optima is more popular than WFK.... :doh:
No la, the HDB behind so we always cycle there as well as Bedok Corner for supper. :cool:
Btw, also one of those buyers who kena humtum left-right-center for the other sell-out project 8@W. :cheers1:
u mean the bak chor mee there or bedok south?
haha congrats on your new buy too!
what is ur motivatn to pay 9xxpsf for tanah merah ?
I paid much lesser than 900psf. u not gonna say this is another piece of crap are u? :scared-2:
Regulators
04-08-09, 12:20
no comments :-)
I paid much lesser than 900psf. u not gonna say this is another piece of crap are u? :scared-2:
Property_Owner
04-08-09, 12:22
I paid much lesser than 900psf. u not gonna say this is another piece of crap are u? :scared-2:
We are just wondering what is on your mind when you buy optima?
u mean the bak chor mee there or bedok south?
haha congrats on your new buy too!
Bak Chor Mee side, behind Anglican High School actually. :spliff:
Bak Chor Mee side, behind Anglican High School actually. :spliff:
Lots of yummy food there too but parking is a big problem. next time I can just cycle there for my BCM fix :)
so are u still staying in the east now?
Lots of yummy food there too but parking is a big problem. next time I can just cycle there for my BCM fix :)
so are u still staying in the east now?
Yup, lots of yummy food there but my favourite still is the Pork Porridge at Blk 85. :hungry:
Had moved out from the east for 12 years now and residing in Bishan now. :D
Regulators
04-08-09, 13:27
B85 bedok famous for it BCM but the best BCM is at B511. The pigs kidney mee sua at 511 also very nice
Yup, lots of yummy food there but my favourite still is the Pork Porridge at Blk 85. :hungry:
Had moved out from the east for 12 years now and residing in Bishan now. :D
B85 got a few stall of BC. 2 along trhe first row of stalls... standard drop already....:tongue3:
Yup, lots of yummy food there but my favourite still is the Pork Porridge at Blk 85. :hungry:
Had moved out from the east for 12 years now and residing in Bishan now. :D
I like the BBQ stingray there.:)
just pure guessing....for someone who have a passion for taking photos, 85% chances r he have one.....some more he have quite a good tele lens to zoom in on the Bedok Fraser Mall from his home opposite.....even if he not on full SLR could something very close to it already....hahaha......;)
how you know he is using an SLR?:confused:
hv admin meh? u already kena hantum so badly already.... :confused:
ya ya rub it in guys :tongue3:
hmmm...administrator so inefficient
blah....the prata next to shell station not so nice already.....but still a good place with free parking to chill out with friends for kopi/tea tarek
I used to stay around there too. you lived in one of the landed?
blah....the prata next to shell station not so nice already.....but still a good place with free parking to chill out with friends for kopi/tea tarek
You mean the original stall CMK there? They are now at Syed Alwi Road, opposite the Mustafa Center. :D
probably its Venus.....whom aborted the sales at 8@W and bought Optima instead...hahahaa....just joking...:D .....I receive sms from agent tat say 3 units aborted...act quick if keen....
No la, the HDB behind so we always cycle there as well as Bedok Corner for supper. :cool:
Btw, also one of those buyers who kena humtum left-right-center for the other sell-out project 8@W. :cheers1:
there r two...one next to shell station and the other one at the end of the shop house....the one next to shell petrol station definately not nice....the prata 80% cook....eeek.....anyway....there are better prata in Bedok South....the one opp Tanamera Condo at the corner of kopi tiam is much better.....
You mean the original stall CMK there? They are now at Syed Alwi Road, opposite the Mustafa Center. :D
Daniel_Yee
04-08-09, 13:57
I went to Optima showflat and was told by one agent that the site area is extended to the showflat barrier. Don't know if you all remember but got one green low fencing that fence up the whole showflat till the end of the other road. But just want to let you all know that the showflat is NOT part of the site. The site ends where the mobile toilets are placed. I called TID to confirm already. Te: 62208358
there r two...one next to shell station and the other one at the end of the shop house....the one next to shell petrol station definately not nice....the prata 80% cook....eeek.....anyway....there are better prata in Bedok South....the one opp Tanamera Condo at the corner of kopi tiam is much better.....
Yup, the one beside Shell Stn no good already. :doh:
Btw, the roti prata at Ah Mei in Novena Square and Giant Food Court at Tampines also quite good. :D
Yup, the one beside Shell Stn no good already. :doh:
Btw, the roti prata at Ah Mei in Novena Square and Giant Food Court at Tampines also quite good. :D
the one next to shell stn sucks, i already boycott them when i was still living there. Prata lousy and bad svc. The ones opposite where the 7-11 better, but not the 1st stall....the 2nd one their fish curry very gd.
We are just wondering what is on your mind when you buy optima?
I know u must be thinking why ppl willing to pay 900-1000psf for a hobbit house and think they can make a quick buck out of it right? :doh:
But you asking the wrong person here cos im not one of them lah. if i had paid 1000psf for my unit u guys dun hv to huntum me....i'll kill myself 1st ;)
ever since i move to the North East, Prata house at Upp Thomson Road/Sin Ming and Jalan Kayu become my haunt for prata....
Yes, Ah Mei is good at Novena Sq....i noe..near my ofc...hahaha.......freshly made but have to wait....Have not tried the one at Tampines Giant food court thou...probably shd try it next time I'm there....
Yup, the one beside Shell Stn no good already. :doh:
Btw, the roti prata at Ah Mei in Novena Square and Giant Food Court at Tampines also quite good. :D
is tat the one tat serves the western food as well? I like the chicken chop with lots of gravy...yum yum...not forgetting the Milo Dino....*Slurp*
the one next to shell stn sucks, i already boycott them when i was still living there. Prata lousy and bad svc. The ones opposite where the 7-11 better, but not the 1st stall....the 2nd one their fish curry very gd.
u meant the this thread or the project...whahaha...we can always shift back to WFW to talk C*cK....hahaha.....
ok boys and gals...lets go bak home after u have ur fun at Optima....
now Optima is more popular than WFK.... :doh:
for health wise.....moving back to Bedok may not be such a good idea....too much good food already!!! think must organize daily run with the guys at WFW already....:doh:
u mean the bak chor mee there or bedok south?
haha congrats on your new buy too!
yup the BCM soup is tasty but too bad no dry one.....jiat luk...bound to put on more weights after moving back.....tsk tsk tsk.....
B85 bedok famous for it BCM but the best BCM is at B511. The pigs kidney mee sua at 511 also very nice
is tat the one tat serves the western food as well? I like the chicken chop with lots of gravy...yum yum...not forgetting the Milo Dino....*Slurp*
yes but dunno which western food u refering to. now got 2 western food stall there. one of them think called "mad jack" or something....quite ex. the nice prata one is next to it.
u meant the this thread or the project...whahaha...we can always shift back to WFW to talk C*cK....hahaha.....
ok boys and gals...lets go bak home after u have ur fun at Optima....
ay....u guys gonna abandon me here ah? :(
ay....u guys gonna abandon me here ah? :(
come talk at WFW. :D
yes please...come join my running club.....
I'm started a running club at my RC.
Recommend you guys one good 咸蛋螃蟹at Blk 144 Tampines Street 12 #01-400 - Hong Kong Street Jia Kee Coffee House.
Their XO 螃蟹 claypot beehoon also super shiok...
Yummy Yummy....
for health wise.....moving back to Bedok may not be such a good idea....too much good food already!!! think must organize daily run with the guys at WFW already....:doh:
crab my favorite!!!
can da bao the 咸蛋螃蟹 back home eat?
yes please...come join my running club.....
I'm started a running club at my RC.
Recommend you guys one good 咸蛋螃蟹at Blk 144 Tampines Street 12 #01-400 - Hong Kong Street Jia Kee Coffee House.
Their XO 螃蟹 claypot beehoon also super shiok...
Yummy Yummy....
Comparison of rental yield for mass market condos (7-10y old) at the east in the past few months:
Astoria Park (Kembangan)
958sqft ($2352)
1195sqft ($2860)
East Meadows (Tanah Merah)
1216sqft ($2891)
Modena/Tropica Spring (Simei)
1066sqft ($2582)
1410sqft ($3136)
The ClearWater (Bedok Reservoir)
1313sqft ($2979)
Changi Court (FH) @ Upper Changi Road East
840sqft ($1523)
1163sqft ($2323)
Carissa Park (FH) @ Flora Road
1302sqft ($2563)
Judging from above, Optima 2br @947sqft should be able to rent out @ 2500 per month. At 880-900psf, gross yield is about 3.5%, net yield could be 3% only.
No wonder Property_Owner said buy Kembangan. At 700psf it is a steal for rental.
yes please...come join my running club.....
I'm started a running club at my RC.
Recommend you guys one good 咸蛋螃蟹at Blk 144 Tampines Street 12 #01-400 - Hong Kong Street Jia Kee Coffee House.
Their XO 螃蟹 claypot beehoon also super shiok...
Yummy Yummy....
Dun "poison" me. i got high cholesterol :tsk-tsk:
yes you can but best to eat on the spot.
crab my favorite!!!
can da bao the 咸蛋螃蟹 back home eat?
yes you can but best to eat on the spot.
Just ta pao today... really very good....
when suddenly a few hundred units all enter the mkt together, u think 3pct yield still possible? Its going to bloodlust.
think mad jack is the newer one? yah...quite ex...about $8 for chicken chop but the gravy is shiok.....
yes but dunno which western food u refering to. now got 2 western food stall there. one of them think called "mad jack" or something....quite ex. the nice prata one is next to it.
Siao liao....at this rate run how many KM and swim 40laps everyday also not enough ah....
yes please...come join my running club.....
I'm started a running club at my RC.
Recommend you guys one good 咸蛋螃蟹at Blk 144 Tampines Street 12 #01-400 - Hong Kong Street Jia Kee Coffee House.
Their XO 螃蟹 claypot beehoon also super shiok...
Yummy Yummy....
pls share some good makan place near bedok at WFW...
think mad jack is the newer one? yah...quite ex...about $8 for chicken chop but the gravy is shiok.....
best to eat it piping hot on the spot....crab tapau, the meat will turn a bit nuar.....not nice....
crab my favorite!!!
can da bao the 咸蛋螃蟹 back home eat?
yes please...come join my running club.....
I'm started a running club at my RC.
Recommend you guys one good 咸蛋螃蟹at Blk 144 Tampines Street 12 #01-400 - Hong Kong Street Jia Kee Coffee House.
Their XO 螃蟹 claypot beehoon also super shiok...
Yummy Yummy....
The fish head beehoon and prawn paste kitchen there is damm shiok too!! :p
One of my fave stalls!
where where? pls state the location. :D
The fish head beehoon and prawn paste kitchen there is damm shiok too!! :p
One of my fave stalls!
neber mind lah....eat 1st talk later....wahaha.....at most we start a TAF club....every evening must workout 1hr...:D
Dun "poison" me. i got high cholesterol :tsk-tsk:
hi hkching, u tabao the crab today? First time from this coffee shop?
Just ta pao today... really very good....
tot u used to live in Bedok previously? No?
too many to list already.....depend on what you want.....
1. Nana Curry at Bedok Interchange NTUC kopi tiam (for curry lovers)
2. Wanton/dumpling/roast duck noodle at blk 418 kopi shop nearer to 417 (day)
3. zhi zhar stall at blk 844 tampines st 82
4. Blk 85 market - too many to list (at night)
5. Blk 511 market - quite a few stall to list too (at night)
6. Blk 215 market - as above
7. Blk 416 Bedok north ave 2, fish soup stall
8. Blk 412 Bedok north ave, botak jones.
ken and venus can add on......
pls share some good makan place near bedok at WFW...
tot u used to live in Bedok previously? No?
too many to list already.....depend on what you want.....
1. Nana Curry at Bedok Interchange NTUC kopi tiam (for curry lovers)
2. Wanton/dumpling/roast duck noodle at blk 418 kopi shop nearer to 417 (day)
3. zhi zhar stall at blk 844 tampines st 82
4. Blk 85 market - too many to list (at night)
5. Blk 511 market - quite a few stall to list too (at night)
6. Blk 215 market - as above
7. Blk 416 Bedok north ave 2, fish soup stall
8. Blk 412 Bedok north ave, botak jones.
9. Blk 16 Bedok South market- fishball noodle
ken and venus can add on......
always long queue one...
Agreed.
Blk 416 - fish soup stall (Boon Keng) is yummy.
Blk 85 -i like one of the zhi zhar stall (天天Changi) there..cheap & good...fried rice yummy..lots of ingredients in it...must go early..else have to wait minimum 45mins if u go after 6pm on weekend. Too many good food here...no ending list...
Blk 216 - Very popular Nasi Lemak (红泥小厨)..queue start to form early in the morning...better than Changi Point one.....stall rest on Mon & Tue.
tot u used to live in Bedok previously? No?
too many to list already.....depend on what you want.....
1. Nana Curry at Bedok Interchange NTUC kopi tiam (for curry lovers)
2. Wanton/dumpling/roast duck noodle at blk 418 kopi shop nearer to 417 (day)
3. zhi zhar stall at blk 844 tampines st 82
4. Blk 85 market - too many to list (at night)
5. Blk 511 market - quite a few stall to list too (at night)
6. Blk 215 market - as above
7. Blk 416 Bedok north ave 2, fish soup stall
8. Blk 412 Bedok north ave, botak jones.
ken and venus can add on......
which one u refering to? the fish soup stall? bo pian...nice wat...hahaha....
always long queue one...
which one u refering to? the fish soup stall? bo pian...nice wat...hahaha....
The no.9 that i hv added....
where where? pls state the location. :D
It's the same Zi Char stall at Blk 144 Tampines St 12 that kEN9170 was talking about.
Yes, their fishhead been hoon, fishhead curry, thai style fried bean curb very popular too.
They have one signature vege soup dish that cook with wolfberry, century eggs..very nice too.:p
It's the same Zi Char stall at Blk 144 Tampines St 12 that kEN9170 was talking about.
For those who are willing to venture to the Tampines Round Market (Blk 137 Tampines St 11), they got pretty good food there as well.
Especially for Kway Chap fans, the kway chap stall there is excellent. IMO, it is better than the To-Rico stall in Old Airport Rd.
Then there is a stall that sells Lor Mee with fried fish fillet as the only ingredient...
There is a bak chor mee stall that sells braised pork rib noodles that is also very popular...Yum...yum...
Agreed.
Blk 416 - fish soup stall (Boon Keng) is yummy.
Blk 85 -i like one of the zhi zhar stall (天天Changi) there..cheap & good...fried rice yummy..lots of ingredients in it...must go early..else have to wait minimum 45mins if u go after 6pm on weekend. Too many good food here...no ending list...
Blk 216 - Very popular Nasi Lemak (红泥小厨)..queue start to form early in the morning...better than Changi Point one.....stall rest on Mon & Tue.
I add on
Blk 216 Nasi Lemak (红泥小厨) Must go there early. Lunch time Q min 30 min. Q for 30 min before from 11:15 - 11:45
Blk 216 coffee. Also must Q. Weekday 11:30am went down. Coffee finish. Q also there regardless weekday or weekend.
Blk 216, the 油条 (http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E6%B2%B9%E6%9D%A1&variant=zh-cn) stall beside the coffee stall. Nice to go with black coffee.
Blk 216 alot of nice food.
(http://www.flash512.com/2008/10/03/file81003011022731.html)
pls share some good makan place near bedok at WFW...
My family is vegetarian, I suggest Ling Ling Vegetarian @ Bedok North Ave 2 Blk 412 .. there is also a Botak Jones & Italian pasta outlet in the same coffee shop if one of your family members want non-veg. After makan, can go to Bedok library.
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Eat more vegetarian, eat less meat to save the Earth
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Eat more VEGETARIAN? :eek:
My family is vegetarian, I suggest Ling Ling Vegetarian @ Bedok North Ave 2 Blk 412 .. there is also a Botak Jones & Italian pasta outlet in the same coffee shop. After makan, can go to Bedok library.
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My family is vegetarian, I suggest Ling Ling Vegetarian @ Bedok North Ave 2 Blk 412 .. there is also a Botak Jones & Italian pasta outlet in the same coffee shop. After makan, can go to Bedok library.
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With more lands cleared to cater for commercial farms to grow vegetables isn't helping the earth very much either..... coupled with the widespread use of chemical fertilisers, persticides plus the effect of irrigation to re-direct water from their natural flow.... how to save the earth like that? :confused:
Yes...this Ling Ling Vegetarian stall is highly recommended by many residents there. Heard Italian pasta good too. Have not tried yet.
My family is vegetarian, I suggest Ling Ling Vegetarian @ Bedok North Ave 2 Blk 412 .. there is also a Botak Jones & Italian pasta outlet in the same coffee shop if one of your family members want non-veg. After makan, can go to Bedok library.
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With more lands cleared to cater for commercial farms to grow vegetables isn't helping the earth very much either..... coupled with the widespread use of chemical fertilisers, persticides plus the effect of irrigation to re-direct water from their natural flow.... how to save the earth like that? :confused:
If scared of chemicals, then you can try organic vegetarian food. There is one farm @ Lim Chu Kang (fireflies 萤火虫). You can buy their vegetable in many wet markes or organic shops.
Another vegetarian recommendation: 2nd floor Quality Hotel Balestiar there is a Lotus Vegetarian Restaurant ... catch their Taiwanese buffet on weekends, it is about 20$ per head
For Indian flavor, try Raj Restaurant @ Syed Alwi Road.
I add on
Blk 216 Nasi Lemak (红泥小厨) Must go there early. Lunch time Q min 30 min. Q for 30 min before from 11:15 - 11:45
Blk 216 coffee. Also must Q. Weekday 11:30am went down. Coffee finish. Q also there regardless weekday or weekend.
Blk 216, the 油条 (http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E6%B2%B9%E6%9D%A1&variant=zh-cn) stall beside the coffee stall. Nice to go with black coffee.
Blk 216 alot of nice food.
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Blk 216 is the hawker ctr next to bedok interchange?
OMG am I in the right forum... this isn't mankansutra forum is it? :D
Blk 216 is the hawker ctr next to bedok interchange?
OMG am I in the right forum... this isn't mankansutra forum is it? :D
not that one
the one opp POSB Bank
Daniel_Yee
05-08-09, 11:22
I am not a vegetarian and not intending to be one. But in order to have the same amount of meat to fill a person, we need 10-15 times more wheat or grain to feed the poultry / animal.
With more lands cleared to cater for commercial farms to grow vegetables isn't helping the earth very much either..... coupled with the widespread use of chemical fertilisers, persticides plus the effect of irrigation to re-direct water from their natural flow.... how to save the earth like that? :confused:
wah, this thread hijack until talk about food in the east ah? I just add one for WFW owners... Bedok Reservoir road, next to the Singaporepools store, there is a zi char stall called Super Lucky Restaurant around Blk 741. very cheap zi char. sunday morning, their porridge is very nice also. or even more cheapo, just order their mixed veg rice, also very good.
I am not a vegetarian and not intending to be one. But in order to have the same amount of meat to fill a person, we need 10-15 times more wheat or grain to feed the poultry / animal.
I can appreacite being vegetarian coz of religious or health purposes but I find it harder to fathom if the reason for being vegetarian is to save the earth.
IMO, moderation is key regardless whether u are vegetarian, canivore, omnivore or even cannibal especially it comes to saving the earth. No point ordering portions that can feed up to 10 persons when there are only 3 persons at the table. We will just end up with loads of wastage and at lot of resources are being churned up just to process our waste. Just walk around the restaurants and hawker centers or even people's dinner table at home and it's criminal how some of us waste food. :tsk-tsk:
I can appreacite being vegetarian coz of religious or health purposes but I find it harder to fathom if the reason for being vegetarian is to save the earth.
IMO, moderation is key regardless whether u are vegetarian, canivore, omnivore or even cannibal especially it comes to saving the earth. No point ordering portions that can feed up to 10 persons when there are only 3 persons at the table. We will just end up with loads of wastage and at lot of resources are being churned up just to process our waste. Just walk around the restaurants and hawker centers or even people's dinner table at home and it's criminal how some of us waste food. :tsk-tsk:
Well said, moderation is key.
Certain religious view on vegetarianism has relationship to saving the earth. In Buddhism, the Earth is a projection of common karmic force of living things on Earth. Killing animals (for food, for fur, for fun) generate negative karmic forces that may result in natural disaster, deterioration to environment & war. In Christianity, Genesis actually asking humans to take good care of animals. However, after the Noah incident, humans are allowed to eat meat (guess after the flood, no vegetable to eat :-)
In short, Earth will become pure land if every one of us has a pure mind. I will stop here :D
Apologies people! Didn't mean to drift in this thread.... ;)
Lately i hv been pondering what kind of diet I should adopt. During one of my visits to my gynae, he kept preaching abt vegetarian diet is better. Ask me to cut out all meat and dairy. Then recently I had some digestive problem and went to see GI and the doc told me to cut out all fibres (grains, wheat, fruits, vege). * sigh* then what am I gonna eat? meat cannot vege cannot. :confused:
Lately i hv been pondering what kind of diet I should adopt. During one of my visits to my gynae, he kept preaching abt vegetarian diet is better. Ask me to cut out all meat and dairy. Then recently I had some digestive problem and went to see GI and the doc told me to cut out all fibres (grains, wheat, fruits, vege). * sigh* then what am I gonna eat? meat cannot vege cannot. :confused:
IMO, digestive problem see TCM doctor better. Recommend the specialist clinic in Changi general Hospital, the doctor's surname is Chen. Come with powder, no need to boil herbs.
IMO, digestive problem see TCM doctor better. Recommend the specialist clinic in Changi general Hospital, the doctor's surname is Chen. Come with powder, no need to boil herbs.
Hospital got TCM clinic?
further down, at the other end of the junction with the SAVE SAVE SAVE prime mart opp....
u r lucky it did not turn out to be karma sutra forum.....:doh:
tats why Bedok is a good place to Live, Eat & Play!....whahahaha.......
Blk 216 is the hawker ctr next to bedok interchange?
OMG am I in the right forum... this isn't mankansutra forum is it? :D
tats y u have to live beside reservoir and drink water only.....:eek:
Lately i hv been pondering what kind of diet I should adopt. During one of my visits to my gynae, he kept preaching abt vegetarian diet is better. Ask me to cut out all meat and dairy. Then recently I had some digestive problem and went to see GI and the doc told me to cut out all fibres (grains, wheat, fruits, vege). * sigh* then what am I gonna eat? meat cannot vege cannot. :confused:
Hospital got TCM clinic?
Yes. But it is not cheap. Expect to pay above 50
http://www.h88.com.sg/article/Condo+Review%3A+Optima+%40+Tanah+Merah/
Yes. But it is not cheap. Expect to pay above 50
wah so really not cheap. Think I rather just drink water from bedok reservoir :p
wah so really not cheap. Think I rather just drink water from bedok reservoir :p
I am willing to pay 10 times more if the doctor can find the root cause and cure me. Otherwise, 20SGD also is expensive.
What kind of condition cannot eat food with fibre ... IBS? Frequent abdominal pain followed by diarrhea? I studied TCM b4 so curious to know.
yeah. so start flipping your Optima, and get the WFW :p since so many crazy ppl at WFW :p
wah so really not cheap. Think I rather just drink water from bedok reservoir :p
What kind of condition cannot eat food with fibre ... IBS? Frequent abdominal pain followed by diarrhea? I studied TCM b4 so curious to know.
Yes IBS which causes a lot of gas pain and fibre will aggrevate it. My doc also mentioned that a lot of ppl hv the misconception that increasing fibre intake will help to alleviate constipation. But truth is it will make it worse. Fibre cannot be digested and it will only add bulk to your bowels. Put it simply, if your colon is already "clogged up" and you keep adding indigestible fibre to it your sh** get even bulkier and thus even harder to pass.
yeah. so start flipping your Optima, and get the WFW :p since so many crazy ppl at WFW :p
So easy to flip meh? already ppl are saying im bound to lose money cos nobody will be willing to pay for my pes. ;)
I am willing to pay 10 times more if the doctor can find the root cause and cure me. Otherwise, 20SGD also is expensive.
Was just kidding about the reservoir water lah. Actually i spent 30 times more just to find out the root of my problem :(
Yes IBS which causes a lot of gas pain and fibre will aggrevate it. My doc also mentioned that a lot of ppl hv the misconception that increasing fibre intake will help to alleviate constipation. But truth is it will make it worse. Fibre cannot be digested and it will only add bulk to your bowels. Put it simply, if your colon is already "clogged up" and you keep adding indigestible fibre to it your sh** get even bulkier and thus even harder to pass.
Ya, you are right, I think all we need is a balance diet. A good mixed of meat and vegetable and drink enough of water everyday. (not reservoir water please).
Got money can also buy some fruits to eat...
Don't anyhow buy expensive house now.
Yes IBS which causes a lot of gas pain and fibre will aggrevate it. My doc also mentioned that a lot of ppl hv the misconception that increasing fibre intake will help to alleviate constipation. But truth is it will make it worse. Fibre cannot be digested and it will only add bulk to your bowels. Put it simply, if your colon is already "clogged up" and you keep adding indigestible fibre to it your sh** get even bulkier and thus even harder to pass.
You may want to read this:
http://www.tcmpage.com/hpirritable_bowel.html
In Singapore, more common is Spleen-Liver disharmony (means stress-induced) or damp heat (means infection).
u can try...just like fishing....if kena good....if not u don't lose anything....:)
So easy to flip meh? already ppl are saying im bound to lose money cos nobody will be willing to pay for my pes. ;)
u can try...just like fishing....if kena good....if not u don't lose anything....:)
I refuse to be a flipper. I detest those agents who buy gd units themselves and then flip it to genuine home buyers. I suspect the agents are the ones who's fueling the frenzy.
You may want to read this:
http://www.tcmpage.com/hpirritable_bowel.html
In Singapore, more common is Spleen-Liver disharmony (means stress-induced) or damp heat (means infection).
Thanks thats a very gd article. Think i might just try out TCM....
I refuse to be a flipper. I detest those agents who buy gd units themselves and then flip it to genuine home buyers. I suspect the agents are the ones who's fueling the frenzy.
Or they will be the first one burnt when the tide turns. 600psf for PES unit @ optima is very reasonable so nothing to worry.
Or they will be the first one burnt when the tide turns. 600psf for PES unit @ optima is very reasonable so nothing to worry.
Ya anyway its for own staying so I'm not too concerned even if bubble burst.
I think the rumor abt agents flipping gd units is quite rampant. At the optima I overheard a conversation btw 2 agents.
agent A: Think I'll be getting the 2 br unit. how abt u?
agent B: Cannot leh....
agent A: oh ya u just bought the other one. that one confirm make money...
But Im quite glad TID went with balloting system. Fairer and more transparent. Pricelist also on wall for all to see.
Or they will be the first one burnt when the tide turns. 600psf for PES unit @ optima is very reasonable so nothing to worry.
Ya anyway its for own staying so I'm not too concerned even if bubble burst.
I think the rumor abt agents flipping gd units is quite rampant. At the optima I overheard a conversation btw 2 agents.
agent A: Think I'll be getting the 2 br unit. how abt u?
agent B: Cannot leh....
agent A: oh ya u just bought the other one. that one confirm make money...
But Im quite glad TID went with balloting system. Fairer and more transparent. Pricelist also on wall for all to see.
In ur case, its not call flipping....but change of location....at the end of the day...not for profit but change to a place with more crazy and friendly neighbours...whahahaha....:D
I refuse to be a flipper. I detest those agents who buy gd units themselves and then flip it to genuine home buyers. I suspect the agents are the ones who's fueling the frenzy.
DBR owner also come chatting with WFW owner... must be boring there... no crazy ppl to talk to... :o
In ur case, its not call flipping....but change of location....at the end of the day...not for profit but change to a place with more crazy and friendly neighbours...whahahaha....:D
cos they dun get chatty neighbours there....hahaha.....;)
DBR owner also come chatting with WFW owner... must be boring there... no crazy ppl to talk to... :o
cos they dun get chatty neighbours there....hahaha.....;)
u guys are the best!!
Frankly speaking i do like WFW. If not because of the PES size i would like became your future neighbour long ago :)
Oh so sad...care to elaborate more on PES size? Too big or too small?
u guys are the best!!
Frankly speaking i do like WFW. If not because of the PES size i would like became your future neighbour long ago :)
Oh so sad...care to elaborate more on PES size? Too big or too small?
Too small. Also price a bit high budget not enough.
Too small. Also price a bit high budget not enough.
You found your ideal place already?
If not, we would like to invite you to our Crazy Club family.
so you like ground floor unit???
now still got starbuy? yeah, come join us... :D
Too small. Also price a bit high budget not enough.
so you like ground floor unit???
now still got starbuy? yeah, come join us... :D
Now developers are raising their price again. Wait for market too cool down a bit then see how. At the same time can save more money to buy. Hope i got chance to join your big crazy family!!
hmnn... think the sales will be slightly slower in the coming 2 months due to ghost festival... but price will still be hanging there, and may also edge up... 2010 will be the year to watch, expect greater recovery in the coming 15-18 months... recovery in the real economy, stock market and property market... :)
Now developers are raising their price again. Wait for market too cool down a bit then see how. At the same time can save more money to buy. Hope i got chance to join your big crazy family!!
who is the main contractor of this?
Dont hurry, patience pay, when everybody want to buy, price of coz go up, when pent up demand stabalize, price will find it's right level..
Dont hurry, patience pay, when everybody want to buy, price of coz go up, when pent up demand stabalize, price will find it's right level..
Agreed but also sometimes wonder what price is the stablise price? E.g. Now AMK is selling at $1200psf and everyone is saying that the economy had not recover yet. If the economy recover and the prices goes up to $1500psf and then stablises back to $1200psf, then it would be the same as getting it now. Think most people buying is because of this.
For investment, I believe for the current prices of condo, you might as well bet it on STI going to 3500. Profit would be much higher and much faster than investing in condo.
It is similar to stocks. E.g. stock price raise from $0.10 to $2.00 then fall to $0.70. People said last time only $0.10 but now $0.70, still expensive lah, can wait till it stabilize. Then, end up stabilize at $1.20 (cheapest people can get after missing $0.70).
Properties also sama sama. Orchard area properties rise from $1000 psf to $3000 psf, fall to $1400 psf but people think still expensive lah, economy still in recession and unemployment sure rise further and price sure drop somemore, but now already transacting at close to $2000 psf. :banghead:
Agreed but also sometimes wonder what price is the stablise price? E.g. Now AMK is selling at $1200psf and everyone is saying that the economy had not recover yet. If the economy recover and the prices goes up to $1500psf and then stablises back to $1200psf, then it would be the same as getting it now. Think most people buying is because of this.
For investment, I believe for the current prices of condo, you might as well bet it on STI going to 3500. Profit would be much higher and much faster than investing in condo.
It is similar to stocks. E.g. stock price raise from $0.10 to $2.00 then fall to $0.70. People said last time only $0.10 but now $0.70, still expensive lah, can wait till it stabilize. Then, end up stabilize at $1.20 (cheapest people can get after missing $0.70).
Properties also sama sama. Orchard area properties rise from $1000 psf to $3000 psf, fall to $1400 psf but people think still expensive lah, economy still in recession and unemployment sure rise further and price sure drop somemore, but now already transacting at close to $2000 psf. :banghead:
I don't know whether I have company....lately, I am tired of all the escalating prices. Re-sales are also hiking up in tune with the new launches.
There is something like 15% rise since Mar 09. If more people like me gets tired, perhaps the market will soften....haha
I don't know whether I have company....lately, I am tired of all the escalating prices. Re-sales are also hiking up in tune with the new launches.
There is something like 15% rise since Mar 09. If more people like me gets tired, perhaps the market will soften....haha
I think the hungry ghost month will soften the sales a bit.
My experience is that when the price is rising and there are still many people saying that "too over-priced lah, sure drop one lah, wait and see within 1-2 years ..." (blah blah blah), then most likely the price will continue to climb until almost everybody started climbing on board (they can't stand it anymore because wait so long to buy also never drop). Ha ha ha!
My experience is that when the price is rising and there are still many people saying that "too over-priced lah, sure drop one lah, wait and see within 1-2 years ..." (blah blah blah), then most likely the price will continue to climb until almost everybody started climbing on board (they can't stand it anymore because wait so long to buy also never drop). Ha ha ha!
Kinda bite the bullet and hope for the best lor. ;)
My experience is that when the price is rising and there are still many people saying that "too over-priced lah, sure drop one lah, wait and see within 1-2 years ..." (blah blah blah), then most likely the price will continue to climb until almost everybody started climbing on board (they can't stand it anymore because wait so long to buy also never drop). Ha ha ha!
i think those who has been waiting to buy and can afford would have entered the market by now, which explains last 2 months' surge. Those who cant afford and still wanna jump in for fear of missing the boat would not be too bright... :(
i think those who has been waiting to buy and can afford would have entered the market by now, which explains last 2 months' surge. Those who cant afford and still wanna jump in for fear of missing the boat would not be too bright... :(
That's my observation as well. :D
Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of August 2009
Project Name ............. Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
Optima @ Tanah Merah . OCR ...... 294 ...................... 164 ........................ 1,071 ........... 843 ............. 603
$1,071psf should be the high for Optima.
$1,071psf should be the high for Optima.
What! $1,071? :eek: :eek: :eek:
i think those who has been waiting to buy and can afford would have entered the market by now, which explains last 2 months' surge. Those who cant afford and still wanna jump in for fear of missing the boat would not be too bright... :(
Agree. Already missed the boat. :banghead:
What! $1,071? :eek: :eek: :eek:
18 Aug 2009, #13-15, 474 sqft, $1,095 psf, $518,800.
http://www.partydelights.co.uk/images/_AutoCreated/CUTO/CUTO005_imgaa.JPG
18 Aug 2009, #13-15, 474 sqft, $1,095 psf, $518,800.
http://www.partydelights.co.uk/images/_AutoCreated/CUTO/CUTO005_imgaa.JPG
This one is a subsale.
The seller must be celebrating at Disneylandİ now.
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