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millan
31-05-09, 18:51
Hi all,

I now looking at Condo at Distrct 23: Guilin View/Mederia/Warren/The Jade.

Any views?

Rgds

august
31-05-09, 21:34
considering how hdb has gotten so expensive.. oops, i mean how much private condo prices has dropped.. :D any condo is good value ~ ;)

Regulators
01-06-09, 03:35
if u have to choose 1 (whch i wont for any) i will go for jade whch is in a premium locatn for entire bt btok. Remember that the 90sqm 4rm flats in bt btok centrl (blk 620 621 n 622) are already valued n sold at almost 500k. Problem is it is nt easy to get gd value buys for that proj coz jade owners tend to be quite greedy
Hi all,

I now looking at Condo at Distrct 23: Guilin View/Mederia/Warren/The Jade.

Any views?

Rgds

Condorich
01-06-09, 09:29
if u have to choose 1 (whch i wont for any) i will go for jade whch is in a premium locatn for entire bt btok. Remember that the 90sqm 4rm flats in bt btok centrl (blk 620 621 n 622) are already valued n sold at almost 500k. Problem is it is nt easy to get gd value buys for that proj coz jade owners tend to be quite greedy

The Jade is simply too near the tracks and blocked from all over. Plus that kind of prices.... you need to wear jade to buy/stay in one..

vale
01-06-09, 13:30
Other than the facilities, the views and the amenities are the same whether u stay in Jade or the HDB blocks there, so is it worth to pay that kind of premium? :doh:

If u look out of yr window or balcony and u still see blocks and blocks of HDBs in close proximity surrounding u, u'd better get a HDB instead.:cheers1:

Warren seems to be a relatively better choice among the 4. Guilin View, though there is a little Guilin in front, but some Feng Shui practitioners advise the avoidance of facing such bare stony hill.

hayata1972
02-06-09, 20:45
Hi all,

I now looking at Condo at Distrct 23: Guilin View/Mederia/Warren/The Jade.

Any views?

Rgds

Very smart choices, all very near MRT stations.

Condorich
02-06-09, 22:06
Very smart choices, all very near MRT stations.

In future, if your development is not within 5 minutes away from a MRT station, be it a ulu station.... you will know that it is important to invest in any project that is near to a MRT station

Regulators
03-06-09, 00:16
aiya mrt station condos only applies to hdb upgraders kinda taste. talk bout the rich or ultra rich, they wont want to stay anywhere near mrt track or station....



In future, if your development is not within 5 minutes away from a MRT station, be it a ulu station.... you will know that it is important to invest in any project that is near to a MRT station

John Tan
03-06-09, 00:33
Hi Millan,

It depends on whether you are buying for your own stay or for investments.

Prices are important, but it should not be your most important consideration if you buying it for home stay. You have to decide which condo you like best and would be happy staying in with your family e.g. The serenity of the surroundings, the convenience of nearby amenities, schools, transportation etc. So what if it is built on an expensive plot of land, yet undesirably noisy?... So in my view, don't allow the talk of "Good plot, make lots $ next time" etch in your mind if you staying there for long term. It makes it hard for you to make a good decision to buy a good home.

Make appointments to see & 'felt' for yourself the condos you are asking about. It will help you make a better decision.

Transportation - I would think all the condos you mentioned are excellently located if you like your home to be near amenities & MRT. With the exception of Warren, the rest are within walking distance to MRT. Fetches good/stable rental if you are buying the property for investment. But of course, too close to MRT would also mean more noise.

School - No "Ivy League" schools nearby. Lots of schools though.

View - Perhaps Guilin View provides the best view of the little Guilin, Bukit Batok Reserve and Bukit Timah hill (on higher floors). Madeira provides the same view (on higher floors only). Fengshui wise, no comments.

Looks - Madeira and Warren provides a modern design exterior. But its a matter of perception and likings.

Facilities - Standard from what I know. Pool, gym, security which most condos would have.

Good Luck in your house hunting..

Regulators
03-06-09, 01:12
many people live in good investment homes and nice living environment, so who says can't have the best of both worlds? those condos you mentioned are all hdb condos (meaning surrounded by hdbs) so it is better to be close to the premium hdb blocks in that area, which is bukit batok central. If I were you, I will go for Jade anytime coz it is not only near amenities n mrt, it boasts of one of the best views in bukit batok if you are able to get a high floor unit. although it is a purely hdb upgrader type of condo, i am sure this is what you are looking for.....

hayata1972
03-06-09, 10:04
many people live in good investment homes and nice living environment, so who says can't have the best of both worlds? those condos you mentioned are all hdb condos (meaning surrounded by hdbs) so it is better to be close to the premium hdb blocks in that area, which is bukit batok central. If I were you, I will go for Jade anytime coz it is not only near amenities n mrt, it boasts of one of the best views in bukit batok if you are able to get a high floor unit. although it is a purely hdb upgrader type of condo, i am sure this is what you are looking for.....

Jade owners are asking for the sky. Check the papers to see the asking prices... Wow.. high end of $6XX to $7XXpsf... View wise nothing to shout about... Noise level wise... Very loud...

I have a friend staying there, he complains that he does not need a alarm clock as the first train wakes him up everyday...

hayata1972
03-06-09, 10:27
aiya mrt station condos only applies to hdb upgraders kinda taste. talk bout the rich or ultra rich, they wont want to stay anywhere near mrt track or station....

When you try to rent out your unit to foreign talent, then you will know the difference. Closer proximity to MRT = higher rents.

vale
03-06-09, 13:48
When you try to rent out your unit to foreign talent, then you will know the difference. Closer proximity to MRT = higher rents.
If u are renting out, then u shd look at the rental yield instead. No need to care abt high or low selling price, "HDB" or "non-HDB condo", noisy or not noisy, as long as the selling price is within yr budget and the rental yield is acceptable (for the whole devt as well as for yr intended unit), u invest. :cheers1:

If u buy Jade at $700psf, and able to rent at $3.5psf, u get 5% yield. This is the same as buying another condo at $500psf and getting $2.5psf. The only diff is yr purchasing budget.

cheerful
03-06-09, 14:00
Sorry to hijack here ... but I think it was not mentioned that he is not looking at rental yield ... he said with MRT it's easier to fetch higher price (probably translate to rental yield). If location no good, then no takers, then no need to talk abt yield liao rt?

Regulators
03-06-09, 14:08
noise depends on which side you face. one side has nicer view but has west sun and facing the track while the other side that faces the hdb flats has east sun and does not face the track so minimal noise.



Jade owners are asking for the sky. Check the papers to see the asking prices... Wow.. high end of $6XX to $7XXpsf... View wise nothing to shout about... Noise level wise... Very loud...

I have a friend staying there, he complains that he does not need a alarm clock as the first train wakes him up everyday...

hayata1972
03-06-09, 21:53
noise depends on which side you face. one side has nicer view but has west sun and facing the track while the other side that faces the hdb flats has east sun and does not face the track so minimal noise.

So... either way... not very good.:)
Good view but loud noise and hot or Quiet but no view...:doh:

Regulators
03-06-09, 22:09
not that it is no good, all condos have plus and minus points. Plus points must stand out more than minus points in conjunction with right pricing for people to buy a property.



So... either way... not very good.:)
Good view but loud noise and hot or Quiet but no view...:doh:

vale
03-06-09, 23:54
Safer to buy with tenancy, then u have the yield immediately. :cheers1:

Btw, if the unit is able to rent out, now or in recent history, at the market rate (or higher) for that devt, then it is a good unit. U don't really need to care abt near MRT or not near MRT, noisy or not noisy, there must be something that the tenants are looking for in that devt/unit. So, as long as the yield is good, the unit is good. U invest because u want value-for-money returns, right?

vale
03-06-09, 23:59
If u buy for yr own use, then yr own criteria will apply, like near MRT, not noisy, good view, near amenities, near workplace, near parents house etc etc. It can be an entirely different set of criteria from buying to rent out.

puppet
04-06-09, 08:55
Hi Millan,

It depends on whether you are buying for your own stay or for investments.

Prices are important, but it should not be your most important consideration if you buying it for home stay. You have to decide which condo you like best and would be happy staying in with your family e.g. The serenity of the surroundings, the convenience of nearby amenities, schools, transportation etc. So what if it is built on an expensive plot of land, yet undesirably noisy?... So in my view, don't allow the talk of "Good plot, make lots $ next time" etch in your mind if you staying there for long term. It makes it hard for you to make a good decision to buy a good home.



Transportation - I would think all the condos you mentioned are excellently located if you like your home to be near amenities & MRT. With the exception of Warren, the rest are within walking distance to MRT. Fetches good/stable rental if you are buying the property for investment. But of course, too close to MRT would also mean more noise.

School - No "Ivy League" schools nearby. Lots of schools though.

View - Perhaps Guilin View provides the best view of the little Guilin, Bukit Batok Reserve and Bukit Timah hill (on higher floors). Madeira provides the same view (on higher floors only). Fengshui wise, no comments.

Looks - Madeira and Warren provides a modern design exterior. But its a matter of perception and likings.

Facilities - Standard from what I know. Pool, gym, security which most condos would have.

Good Luck in your house hunting..



Hi John,
Thks for your systematic analysis. My objective is to near MRT and amenities and for LT staying.

I myself will hope to get The Jade. Have viewed one very high high floor. Noise is not audible.

But not many sellers and agree px is high. But It is really... very convenient.

Saw Guilin also top floor, the view on Guilin is really fantastic.

thks for the good luck, but really not easy to find a good one....

hayata1972
04-06-09, 09:41
Hi John,
Thks for your systematic analysis. My objective is to near MRT and amenities and for LT staying.

I myself will hope to get The Jade. Have viewed one very high high floor. Noise is not audible.

But not many sellers and agree px is high. But It is really... very convenient.

Saw Guilin also top floor, the view on Guilin is really fantastic.

thks for the good luck, but really not easy to find a good one....

What is the asking prices recently for the jade and guilin view?

Regulators
04-06-09, 09:45
good choice. you have to look out for a good buy at the jade now. not going to be easy as mentioned but worth a try. my advice for you is to look for a specialist agent who sells jade units and try and get him/her to do the haggling for you:) :) ...



Hi John,
Thks for your systematic analysis. My objective is to near MRT and amenities and for LT staying.

I myself will hope to get The Jade. Have viewed one very high high floor. Noise is not audible.

But not many sellers and agree px is high. But It is really... very convenient.

Saw Guilin also top floor, the view on Guilin is really fantastic.

thks for the good luck, but really not easy to find a good one....

Rich12345
11-07-13, 00:30
I'm planning to buy a unit for own stay and hope for capital gain at West Side condo. Now considering The Jade, Glendale Park, Hillview Park, THE MADEIRA, NORTHVALE, THE CENTRIS, YEWTEE RESIDENCES and SUMMERDALE. I choose the above as they are very near to the MRT. Not considering new launch as they are very expensive. Like to hear some feedback from anyone here.

CondoSGP
14-07-13, 12:19
I'm planning to buy a unit for own stay and hope for capital gain at West Side condo. Now considering The Jade, Glendale Park, Hillview Park, THE MADEIRA, NORTHVALE, THE CENTRIS, YEWTEE RESIDENCES and SUMMERDALE. I choose the above as they are very near to the MRT. Not considering new launch as they are very expensive. Like to hear some feedback from anyone here.

Same here, lookiong for more than 6 months but like no many choice on the west side.

Stockbroker
14-07-13, 13:07
If you looking to rent to foreigners, you may want to consider Guilin View. The view is fantastic and I tell you a secret. Normally, we buy condo need high floor. This one, if you can get mid, anything 5th floor up, you will get a nice view of the Guilin. If you get higher floors, one they cost more and two, it's like google earth. Forget about the Jade. Way overpriced. The Madeira can consider. But if you are looking at price and returns, you google, you will see Madeira is way more expensive, view is so so unless u buy high floor, cost even more. I can only comment on these 3 because my friend is looking at these 3 currently.

CondoWE
14-07-13, 16:15
I'm planning to buy a unit for own stay and hope for capital gain at West Side condo. Now considering The Jade, Glendale Park, Hillview Park, THE MADEIRA, NORTHVALE, THE CENTRIS, YEWTEE RESIDENCES and SUMMERDALE. I choose the above as they are very near to the MRT. Not considering new launch as they are very expensive. Like to hear some feedback from anyone here.

SUMMERDALE is a bit far from MRT. Why not consider Lakeholmz, Lakeshore, caspain...?

Shanhz
15-07-13, 12:21
SUMMERDALE is a bit far from MRT. Why not consider Lakeholmz, Lakeshore, caspain...?

he already said new one too exx. think he means newer ones

Shanhz
15-07-13, 12:22
If you looking to rent to foreigners, you may want to consider Guilin View. The view is fantastic and I tell you a secret. Normally, we buy condo need high floor. This one, if you can get mid, anything 5th floor up, you will get a nice view of the Guilin. If you get higher floors, one they cost more and two, it's like google earth. Forget about the Jade. Way overpriced. The Madeira can consider. But if you are looking at price and returns, you google, you will see Madeira is way more expensive, view is so so unless u buy high floor, cost even more. I can only comment on these 3 because my friend is looking at these 3 currently.

not for those who want good fengshui

lajia
20-07-13, 11:53
there is actually not much supply of condo in D22 which is why i think the rental would not fall too much if recession comes, if you are investing...and if you are thinking of own stay, try somewhere in lakeholm, summerdale or westwood area will be cheaper than those caspian, laksehore and parc oasis i think. besides, i personally think that westwood area would appreciate and have more potential since they are closer to the cleantech park, NTU, and much quieter. also, the upcoming jurong regional line will bring more convenience and closer to JLD, which is yet to announce. by driving it is only 5min i think...
make your choice while some are still under valued. :2cents: :)

Rich12345
06-08-13, 00:08
Anyone can recommend which condo to buy near Jurong Gate-Way for own stay cum investment over 4 years periods. I just sold my unit which has limited price appreciation. Looking now for a 3 bedder unit which has at least 30% capital gain potential over 4 years. Currently considering Summerdale, Parc Oasis and Madeira. Any advice?

westman
06-08-13, 07:39
Have you consider Lakeholmz or Caspian?

lajia
08-08-13, 13:47
for own stay...no no because to close to the mrt track. if die die want to be close to mrt, take lakeshore.

summerdale also better than lakeholmz because it is maybe about 200m away but the price is a lot diff i think because lakeholmz is newer, nearer to mrt while the other is EC and is older.

madeira would be a good choice for own stay with the nice environment...but the pricing as compared to some nearer mrt projects is a bit on the high side. but for own stay, taking a longer term view, i think should be fine as long as u like the environment.

for capital appreciation, EC tends to be a good choice. I would prefer The Floravale in westwood. once the regional line for jurong is announced, i think would be too late for you to lay your hands on them...ringo33 maybe can tell u more on this project...:D

but still, looking at the limited supply of private residential, there is a lot of potential especially for landed/cluster properties in D22. you can search for it, really really limited. with the proximity to JLD, a lot of upside potential comparing to other districts' landed...

this is my personal opinion. :)


Have you consider Lakeholmz or Caspian?

Rich12345
19-08-13, 23:15
I think The Floravale is too far from the Jurong Gateway where there will be a development happening. I think near to Jurong East better potential. When will the regional line for Jurong be announced? Meaning that the actual location of the MRT station have yet to be confirmed?

vanan75
13-09-13, 20:51
I realized this forum got few J-Gateway bashers. They simply can't understand why people bought units at a high psf price and causing a chain of effects on future launch prices to all OCR property near MRT.

Second, the bashers for this project often redicule owners of MM units. Looking at URA website on the caveat list for this project almost all the units have caveat launched against them. So investors of J-Gateway are "matcham" the most stubborn bunch who are confident about their purchase and shedding any negative light on their purchase never made any impact on them.

I think the J-Gateway are a "bochap" bunch with a daring appetite or may be they just thinking " its my property what! I like it lor!!"

CCR investors, who had plans to diversify their portfolio would have been pleased if OCR investors could have just bought their CCR properly instead of paying such high psf for OCR development.

Now, everyone has to wait for till TOP 2015 to see how quickly they can pass their batons and retire in Thailand....Sabai Sabai:D:D