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applelemon
28-06-08, 23:40
will it be good to generate rental income? I m toying with the idea of owning a 2 bedder. Need advise here. What is a reasonable psf?

rayaw
29-06-08, 00:10
Good price will be 650 psf

rayaw
29-06-08, 00:17
Looking at the historical record and based on the property value increase striaght line, 650 psf is good.

Now the market is moving at sharp curve and price shoot up to 8XX.

Wait for a while abt end of the year, it should land at 650~670 psf

Project NameFloor Area
(sqft) Price (S$)Price
Per SqftTransaction
DateThe Stellar2,2071,573,0007132008-03The Stellar1,3351,000,0007492008-02The Stellar1,3241,130,0008532007-11The Stellar1,001830,0008292007-11The Stellar2,0021,400,0006992007-11The Stellar1,3131,129,1808602007-10The Stellar947808,0008532007-08The Stellar947730,0007712007-08The Stellar1,4641,100,0007512007-08The Stellar1,3131,020,0007772007-08The Stellar1,044830,0007952007-07The Stellar1,3891,145,9258252007-07The Stellar1,3351,054,6507902007-07The Stellar1,281968,0007562007-07The Stellar1,033745,0007212007-07The Stellar1,206980,0008132007-07The Stellar1,3131,050,0008002007-07The Stellar1,3351,105,3808282007-07The Stellar2,0021,538,0007682007-07The Stellar1,324993,0007502007-06
Project NameFloor Area
(sqft) Price (S$)Price
Per SqftTransaction
DateThe Stellar1,324993,0007502007-06The Stellar1,9701,350,0006852007-06The Stellar1,335921,1506902007-06The Stellar1,378950,0006892007-06The Stellar1,6791,258,0007492007-06The Stellar1,3891,084,5007812007-06The Stellar1,3891,067,4007682007-06The Stellar1,7221,300,0007552007-06The Stellar1,3891,032,3007432007-06The Stellar1,4211,078,0007592007-05The Stellar1,4851,065,0007172007-05The Stellar1,4211,141,2008032007-05The Stellar1,389953,1006862007-05The Stellar1,4211,124,1007912007-05The Stellar1,3891,025,1007382007-04The Stellar1,389997,2007182007-03The Stellar1,389933,3006722007-02The Stellar1,5931,080,0006782007-02The Stellar1,389868,5006252006-12The Stellar1,7221,010,0005872006-12Project NameFloor Area
(sqft) Price (S$)Price
Per SqftTransaction
DateThe Stellar1,206770,0006382006-12The Stellar1,206777,0006442006-11The Stellar1,421863,0006072006-11The Stellar1,8941,007,2005322006-11The Stellar1,206783,8886502006-11The Stellar1,421887,8886252006-11The Stellar1,335776,0005812006-11The Stellar1,335788,0005902006-11The Stellar1,7331,100,0006352006-11The Stellar1,335720,0005392006-10The Stellar1,421842,0005932006-10The Stellar1,485875,0005892006-10The Stellar1,292710,0005502006-10The Stellar1,485880,0005932006-10The Stellar1,335780,0005842006-09The Stellar1,421895,0006302006-09The Stellar1,485880,0005932006-09The Stellar1,335736,0005512006-09The Stellar1,733934,0005392006-09The Stellar1,755998,0005692006-09Project NameFloor Area
(sqft) Price (S$)Price
Per SqftTransaction
DateThe Stellar1,485850,0005722006-09The Stellar1,033611,0005912006-08The Stellar1,528828,0005422006-08The Stellar1,593933,8005862006-08The Stellar1,389930,0006702006-08The Stellar2,2071,300,0005892006-08The Stellar2,2071,393,0006312006-08The Stellar1,033603,0005842006-08The Stellar1,7871,024,0005732006-08The Stellar1,7011,130,0006642006-08The Stellar1,421845,0005952006-08The Stellar1,464780,0005332006-08The Stellar1,421825,0005812006-08The Stellar1,033595,0005762006-08The Stellar1,313725,0005522006-08The Stellar1,335710,0005322006-08The Stellar947593,0006262006-08The Stellar1,281736,0005752006-08The Stellar1,421872,0006142006-08The Stellar1,023600,0005872006-08Project NameFloor Area
(sqft) Price (S$)Price
Per SqftTransaction
DateThe Stellar1,8841,008,0005352006-08The Stellar1,335788,0005902006-08The Stellar1,7761,080,0006082006-08The Stellar947614,0006482006-08The Stellar1,356730,0005382006-08The Stellar1,152735,0006382006-08

rayaw
29-06-08, 00:19
The Stellar1,8841,008,0005352006-08The Stellar1,335788,0005902006-08The Stellar1,7761,080,0006082006-08The Stellar947614,0006482006-08The Stellar1,356730,0005382006-08The Stellar1,152735,0006382006-08

rayaw
29-06-08, 00:23
Cannot get in right.

Please goto URA http://www.ura.gov.sg/realEstateWeb/realEstate/pageflow/transaction/submitSearch.do

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West Coast expert
29-06-08, 00:28
Price falling for sure. Caveats are for those bought before. Recent prices have slumped. Wait for 500 psf offers by end of the year. It should come.

applelemon
29-06-08, 17:36
Thanks for your response. Great help! :)
I am a rookie. Wouldn price inc after TOP considering Stellar will be TOP soon?
Is $780k for a 984 sq ft cheap?

rayaw
29-06-08, 20:56
620K will be a nice price.

Be patient, Wait, you will see price tumbling down.

Stellar Supporter
30-06-08, 09:41
Price falling for sure. Caveats are for those bought before. Recent prices have slumped. Wait for 500 psf offers by end of the year. It should come.

Mr West Coast expert, kindly substantiate yr 500psf prediction. Even Bishan (woolu location) new condo launch reap average price of 750psf. New launches at little India (another woolu location) are reaping 1000psf. Even HDB prices are currently maintaining high price, especially city area.

With the high inflation not coming down soon, coupled with high steel and other raw material prices, I think you will have to wait long long to go anything near 500psf. If you are selling 500psf, I will be glad to buy from you. I think you are more of a "Tua Pow Sian" expert.

applelemon
30-06-08, 15:53
rayaw, can you share with me why you think prices will tumble? Do you expect bank int rates to increase sharply?

Half-thought
10-07-08, 13:46
West Coast area is an ok place lar, not the best or worse but so-so in between. So about 600 to 800 psf depending on type of land and developer. Stellar is hit with the current downside of capital shortage, uncertainty and economic downturn, and very much less demand. Compared to other west Coast condos, it is too near by the roads on both sides of the condo, so try to buy one in between so less noisy. Also, i think there is some big road work being porposed by Stellar. Do your homework carefully. With all these considered, units facing Clementi road ok at 500 to 550psf, facing the other road at 550 to 600psf ok, in the centre of the condo at about 580 to 620 psf can lar. Units facing Clementi road can even go lower to maybe 450psf, but only these units because they are badly located.

Tan Ku Ku
10-07-08, 14:10
West Coast area is an ok place lar, not the best or worse but so-so in between. So about 600 to 800 psf depending on type of land and developer. Stellar is hit with the current downside of capital shortage, uncertainty and economic downturn, and very much less demand. Compared to other west Coast condos, it is too near by the roads on both sides of the condo, so try to buy one in between so less noisy. Also, i think there is some big road work being porposed by Stellar. Do your homework carefully. With all these considered, units facing Clementi road ok at 500 to 550psf, facing the other road at 550 to 600psf ok, in the centre of the condo at about 580 to 620 psf can lar. Units facing Clementi road can even go lower to maybe 450psf, but only these units because they are badly located.

Bro, please substantiate your pricing on how you derived at yr psf. The way you talk like you know West Coast so well. Even woolu places are fetching above 600psf. If you sell at 450psf, I will buy from you.

i also want
10-07-08, 14:24
Bro, please substantiate your pricing on how you derived at yr psf. The way you talk like you know West Coast so well. Even woolu places are fetching above 600psf. If you sell at 450psf, I will buy from you.

$450 psf? Me too!

ZZZZ
10-07-08, 15:49
$450 psf? Me too!

Has been house hunting every weekends for the past 6 months for a bargain unit in the west. I was hoping to pick up a bargain couple with so many articles talking down on the property market.

However, the current asking price is still very stiff and the owners are not willing to lower their expectation.

For what I have gathered, current price in the west is as followed:-

$600+psf to $800+psf for leasehold project
$800+psf to $900+psf for freehold project

Less than $600psf is already hard to come by don't talk about less than $500psf.

Really Tan Ku Ku!!!

Tan Ku Ku
10-07-08, 16:49
Has been house hunting every weekends for the past 6 months for a bargain unit in the west. I was hoping to pick up a bargain couple with so many articles talking down on the property market.

However, the current asking price is still very stiff and the owners are not willing to lower their expectation.

For what I have gathered, current price in the west is as followed:-

$600+psf to $800+psf for leasehold project
$800+psf to $900+psf for freehold project

Less than $600psf is already hard to come by don't talk about less than $500psf.

Really Tan Ku Ku!!!

Bro,

Its now a waiting game to see who will crack, buyer or seller!!!! Whoever cannot tahan will crack and give in. For seller, its about holding power. For buyer, its about how urgent you need a roof. No other way out.

3 cents
11-07-08, 13:10
Got people say market will go down by 40% and the slide has started. As fast as it went up, it will suddenly tumble down even faster as gravity picks up speed. So if now 800psf, do your own maths lor, isit 500psf or less if prediction is correct? Stellar could be worse hit because of major road expansion being considered right next to it, so those by the road, like blk 10 and 12, very the jialak.

650psf now
11-07-08, 13:39
Go to Nation Property website, the asking price is now posted at 650psf, and if negotiable, means about 600 to 630psf. It's looking bad and returning to its launched price and maybe can go below. Stellar is probably badly hit by what's happening around it.

Flyover
11-07-08, 13:43
There was a ST report of a flyover proposal along Clementi Road for heavy vehicles to fly over to the ever expanding container port. If my calculation is correct, the vehicles will have close and almost full view of the Stellar's swimming pool, and Stellar swimmers will have full view of the flyover and its music. Hope my calculation is wrong. But if correct, how?

Reply to TKK
11-07-08, 13:48
Bro, please substantiate your pricing on how you derived at yr psf. The way you talk like you know West Coast so well. Even woolu places are fetching above 600psf. If you sell at 450psf, I will buy from you.

Dear TKK, I don't know West Coast that well lar, except that I have seen all the launches there stretching from Pasir Panjang to Infiniti area, from its not so good days to its high and now struggling time, and have bought and sold and profit from this area. I am giving my opinion to the applelemon. It can turn out wrong. No one can predict the future so accurate one. But if I am applelemon, I tan until Stellar drops to 550psf and below for units not facing Clementi Road. I will avoid blk 10 and blk 12 for sure. But up to you lar, applelemon. Go get more views and professional opinions and then decide lor. Go and see for yourself at the site lor.

kc
11-07-08, 14:16
Dear TKK, I don't know West Coast that well lar, except that I have seen all the launches there stretching from Pasir Panjang to Infiniti area, from its not so good days to its high and now struggling time, and have bought and sold and profit from this area. I am giving my opinion to the applelemon. It can turn out wrong. No one can predict the future so accurate one. But if I am applelemon, I tan until Stellar drops to 550psf and below for units not facing Clementi Road. I will avoid blk 10 and blk 12 for sure. But up to you lar, applelemon. Go get more views and professional opinions and then decide lor. Go and see for yourself at the site lor.

Ok lah, I accept what you say above. All I am asking is not to give poor applelemon wrong impression that prices will go down to so low. Skalia if really applelemon thought that market is really so bad and he keep on wait and wait, skali when F1 comes and IR start business and then economy bounce back just like share market and then property prices shoot up again, then poor applelemon will be kenna caught and have to buy something at a much higher price.

My opinion is that if the current price is something you can afford in the long term (I don't mean go to bank and borrow 80% type one ah), and if you really need to urgently have a roof over, then by all means go house hunting this weekend and if you see something you like, just go ahead and buy. As you mentioned, we all cannot predict whats going to happen in the next 3, 6 or 12 months just like yesterday TOTO someone in Singapore kenna 3million, wa pian, If I were him or her, I straight away go to C&C buy a Merc first, then I go to Orchard road buy a condo. Any leftover $$$ I donate. ha ha!!!!

toaler
13-07-08, 20:52
just like yesterday TOTO someone in Singapore kenna 3million, wa pian, If I were him or her, I straight away go to C&C buy a Merc first, then I go to Orchard road buy a condo. Any leftover $$$ I donate. ha ha!!!!

haha i dont think you will be left with much to donate after getting a condo in orchard road unless you are talking about those studio apartments..

New
22-07-08, 10:03
I saw some postings for several units of 2 to 3 bedrooms from 650 to 700 psf. Think many who bought at 500 plus psf are thinking of selling them now before TOP expected end of this year. Good time to buy?

property supporter
22-07-08, 10:19
I saw some postings for several units of 2 to 3 bedrooms from 650 to 700 psf. Think many who bought at 500 plus psf are thinking of selling them now before TOP expected end of this year. Good time to buy?

It very much depend on how confident you think prices for West Coast projects, particularly Stellar will go. For a FH project with proximity to major highways - AYE, West Coast highway, proximity to city and future Jurong hub, what more can you ask for with 650 to 700psf??

I guess you might be thinking of getting it at 500psf, right? Chances of it going down to that level is quite remote unless Singapore goes into a very deep recession and owners have lost their jobs with no $$$ to pay bank loan. But please take into consideration that Stellar is located at a busy junction, between Clementi Road and West Coast Road, thus I would'nt want to buy a unit facing the junction for sure. Also, there will be a new highway coming up at the junction, so be careful to get a unit facing the highway.

New
22-07-08, 10:55
Thank you for your advice. For those facing the busy junction and HW, is it possible to go at 500psf, about the launch price? Is is very noisy or still ok? can open windows or not?

property supporter
22-07-08, 14:35
Thank you for your advice. For those facing the busy junction and HW, is it possible to go at 500psf, about the launch price? Is is very noisy or still ok? can open windows or not?

It very much depends on individual. Some like west sun, many don't. Some having budget don't mind the noise and pollution, I do mind as you or yr wife will have to clean your unit like crazy everyday.

However, if you can manage to convince owner to sell you any unit at 500psf for Stellar, I think you better grab it before its gone. I don't think the price will go down to 500psf. If there is, I will snap it faster than you.

We need to be realistic in our purchase so as not to waste time for house hunting. It can be tiring and boring going in and out of condo unit.

If you look at Singapore, the only place that is near the city and having low price is none other than D5. I think this will be a gem waiting to be harvest.

Unregistered 2
24-07-08, 11:57
I was at Varsity Park recently and got to see Stellar also. From what I see of the unfinished buildings, some buildings are very close to each other and also close to Varsity Park. Some Stellar units face the busy 4 ways junction used frequently by heavy trucks entering in and out of the nearby container ports. IMHO, there are only a few units worth buying there, those sandwiched between the other units - so less noisy. But the buildings are very close to each other. One building, labelled in red as blk 10, was wai wai, about 30 or 40 degree slanted against the other building. So the units there will be very close to their adjacent neighbours.

Passing By
14-08-08, 12:47
Passed by, looks cramp and crowded and most units near to each other. Flanked on both sides by two busy roads. Future looking to have a flyover, so more noisy roads next to it. Prices dipping and this one looks to be in for a great bargain. My call at 500 psf.

Zulu
15-08-08, 10:46
My opinion on Stellar. Even at 400psf, I would'nt want to stay at such a cramp up place. Not fogetting the project is smack in between a busy junction of Clementi/West Coast rd. Not even if it is FH. I would rather choose Varsity Park next door which is really good to raise a young family. I am looking for a 2 bedder there but unfortunately, not many 2B is on sale.

Hooray
19-08-08, 10:36
Stellar prices are really dropping with so many bad news plus other bad news about this condo. It's dropping faster than Varsity Park and Clementi Woods despite it being a FH condo. It's going for less than 650psf now. Just about 10% more cut and it's the 2005 developer's launch price. It's going to TOP year-end or earley next year - really bad timing. This is a deferred payment condo and I am prediciting a cut-throat price of $500 psf for investors to cut their losses. Blk 10, blk 12 and other blocks facing the road can be even lower by another 10% - about $450 psf, with a possible flyover looming over it - can even be lower because unlkely to have takers. $420 psf can for some of these units. The choice ones are sandwiched inside, not much view, so also not very good but quieter. Hooray time for bargain hunters.

Observing
04-09-08, 10:57
very cram man like sardine packed together D5 very quiet now i agree can buy at average launched price for this one something like 500 to 550psf can consider lar and i think anything more if buying with lottery money can also lar

Indie
07-09-08, 13:35
Stellar is now advertised at about 600psf, many units. That's still too expensive for something so exposed to the roads, and with a possible flyover right next to it. With a poor market sentiment and prediction of 20 to 40 % cut in price, it will go down to 600 - 60 to 240 = 540 to 360 psf. This reminds me of west bay and west cove prices, but stellar is worse with the big vehicles noise and possible flyover next to it, but dropping to 360 psf is too far-fetched, but not to 450 to 500 psf. Maybe 400 psf also can for blk 10 and 12 and those facing the roads.

Titto
08-09-08, 09:40
I think prices for this condo tumbling down to 500 psf soon, so I will get one at about this price. For choice units, I will consider at 520 psf. But this condo loos very noisy and packed, so maybe not so many choice units.

Unregistered11
08-09-08, 11:36
I think prices for this condo tumbling down to 500 psf soon, so I will get one at about this price. For choice units, I will consider at 520 psf. But this condo loos very noisy and packed, so maybe not so many choice units.


Ok lor, you tan gu gu lor. If have i will one shot grab 10 units brfore you.

Rogery
09-09-08, 08:58
Yeah man prices for this one dropping. Been tracking this one becos owner meh could have sold at 700 plus during peak but now drop like rocket falling and trying to catch it. Ver hard. Happy if 650 psf becos like this still earn about 100 psf. But knn, got people advertise 600 psf over weekend. Think TOP soon, people panic becos this one deferred payment meh. 600 psf if sell make no money lose no money. but market still dropping. So many BL***DY bad news, later next week people advertise at 580 or 550psf, si liao lar.

Lad
09-09-08, 09:51
si liao lar.

Aiyo, choi choi, don't say si liao lar. But come to think about it, Stellar sounds like Si-Tiao-ler.

Huat
12-09-08, 08:22
there are people advertising at 580psf? Saw 600psf. Saw one penhouse going for 1.2 million and another 4-room going for more 1.2x million. The penthouse bigger in size by quite alot.

Freehold supporter
12-09-08, 08:42
Lai Lai, anyone wants to sell at 500psf, I can easily grab 20 units at 1 go.

Funnia
12-09-08, 14:00
Lai Lai, anyone wants to sell at 500psf, I can easily grab 20 units at 1 go.

When it launched it was selling around 500 + psf, did you grab any? That was on a rising market sentiment. Now, it's heading south.

Freehold supporter
12-09-08, 15:25
When it launched it was selling around 500 + psf, did you grab any? That was on a rising market sentiment. Now, it's heading south.

Funnia, when it was launched a few years back, how many dare to touch property even at 500 which was considered high at that time. Now its time to wait for the prices to go below 500psf, then I will buy 20 units and wait for the market to go up in 10 years time. FYI, property is all about long term investment, not like stock. Overtime, prices will surely appreciate, eg. During launch for Pearlbank apt, developer were only selling at 80k, now its worth much more.

code01
15-09-08, 19:29
Dear all

if ur happen to see anything at Stellar at 500+psf to 600+psf( As far as i know there is only one penthse asking at $648psf) please email me immediately at [email protected]. Thanks !!!

code01
21-09-08, 16:49
Dear all
FYI #0x-03 sold at $780psf and #03-25 sold at $740psf 2 weeks back. Caveat not lodged yet. If you got anything below $700psf please call me 96943152 i got buyers Thanks

recession
22-09-08, 08:45
Dear all
FYI #0x-03 sold at $780psf and #03-25 sold at $740psf 2 weeks back. Caveat not lodged yet. If you got anything below $700psf please call me 96943152 i got buyers Thanks
Whoo hoo!!!!!!!!!!! Thaman says that SG will go into technical reccession soon!!!!!!!!!!!

T. Shanmugaratnam
22-09-08, 09:44
Whoo hoo!!!!!!!!!!! Thaman says that SG will go into technical reccession soon!!!!!!!!!!!
It is wrong of you to misquote me. Please be a responsible netizen.

I said "it is possible". I did not say "it will" or "it will soon".

I did say "it is too early to make a prediction and much depends on developments in the U.S.".

Mikeong
22-09-08, 10:26
Dear all
FYI #0x-03 sold at $780psf and #03-25 sold at $740psf 2 weeks back. Caveat not lodged yet. If you got anything below $700psf please call me 96943152 i got buyers Thanks

You have no buyers above 700psf?

code01
22-09-08, 19:10
There is but because so many forumers in previous pages say will go below $500psf mah so i thought if there is it is even better. Anyway water pes unit n if u have units at $700psf pls let me know.

Anyway market sentiment is really weak for high end market now but for mass market, it is still very strong. Most buyers are HDB upgraders.

My group average transaction for this mth is somewhere like 10 mass market transactions to 1 high end transaction. Esta at East Coast is having alot of transactions now. Cheers

Here it comes
26-09-08, 13:15
There is but because so many forumers in previous pages say will go below $500psf mah so i thought if there is it is even better. Anyway water pes unit n if u have units at $700psf pls let me know.

Anyway market sentiment is really weak for high end market now but for mass market, it is still very strong. Most buyers are HDB upgraders.

My group average transaction for this mth is somewhere like 10 mass market transactions to 1 high end transaction. Esta at East Coast is having alot of transactions now. Cheers

here it comes, regardless whether high end or mass market, all will be affected:

Sep 26, 2008
HSBC to cut 1,100 jobs

HONG KONG - GLOBAL banking giant HSBC is to cut 1,100 jobs worldwide because of the volatile global financial environment, a spokesman said on Friday.
The cuts will be made in the bank's global banking and markets divisions, with around half of those losing their jobs in HSBC's British operations, Hong Kong-based spokesman Gareth Hewett said.

'The steps we have taken today are in the light of the current global business and economic environment and our cautious outlook for 2009,' he said in a statement.

'Markets continue to be challenging and difficult but our strategy leaves us well positioned for the next wave of global growth, when it comes.'

Around 100 jobs will go in Hong Kong. The jobs would be cut in both front and back office operations, Mr Hewett said.

so be it
27-09-08, 10:33
here it comes, regardless whether high end or mass market, all will be affected:

Sep 26, 2008
HSBC to cut 1,100 jobs

HONG KONG - GLOBAL banking giant HSBC is to cut 1,100 jobs worldwide because of the volatile global financial environment, a spokesman said on Friday.
The cuts will be made in the bank's global banking and markets divisions, with around half of those losing their jobs in HSBC's British operations, Hong Kong-based spokesman Gareth Hewett said.

'The steps we have taken today are in the light of the current global business and economic environment and our cautious outlook for 2009,' he said in a statement.

'Markets continue to be challenging and difficult but our strategy leaves us well positioned for the next wave of global growth, when it comes.'

Around 100 jobs will go in Hong Kong. The jobs would be cut in both front and back office operations, Mr Hewett said.
High end will be worse than mass market for sure as they downgrade to mass market.

All will burn
29-09-08, 12:43
Haha..and the mass market downgrade to HDB...pls lah, have to wake up..high end still can downgrade to mass market..massmarket (more of them than high end) have to leave their condos and move to HDB! so downward pressure!!




High end will be worse than mass market for sure as they downgrade to mass market.

nah
29-09-08, 14:55
Haha..and the mass market downgrade to HDB...pls lah, have to wake up..high end still can downgrade to mass market..massmarket (more of them than high end) have to leave their condos and move to HDB! so downward pressure!!
mass market condos are mostly within affordable range for the middle-class singaporean, unlike high-end condos. i don't think this kind of reaction will happen.

Lucas
07-10-08, 20:34
I heard there is Studio unit in The Stellar. Anyone have and want to offer?

Curious
08-10-08, 01:16
Haha..and the mass market downgrade to HDB...pls lah, have to wake up..high end still can downgrade to mass market..massmarket (more of them than high end) have to leave their condos and move to HDB! so downward pressure!!
Then why are you still here?
You should be burnt to death what!

tie your neak
08-10-08, 07:48
All you losers talk so much cock also will not stop condo prices from falling.
Singapore will go into recession and all your properties will go under water.
Get a rope ready to tie around your neaks.

go fly kite
08-10-08, 08:30
go fly kite lah, u can't afford a condo so come here to talk cock.
All you losers talk so much cock also will not stop condo prices from falling.
Singapore will go into recession and all your properties will go under water.
Get a rope ready to tie around your neaks.

Question
08-10-08, 10:40
All you losers talk so much cock also will not stop condo prices from falling.
Singapore will go into recession and all your properties will go under water.
Get a rope ready to tie around your neaks.
Go under the water? Then how come you still can talk cock here? Strange!

orangetee
08-10-08, 10:54
To all agents from different agencies.

Please Co-op, i know sales are getting very down.

No point coming here and vent frustration with

vulgarities and nonsense postings.

Thank you.

Harry Lee
11-11-08, 22:43
It is wrong of you to misquote me. Please be a responsible netizen.

I said "it is possible". I did not say "it will" or "it will soon".

I did say "it is too early to make a prediction and much depends on developments in the U.S.".

Tharman, do you want me to sack you?

silvagnil
01-12-08, 13:24
What Highway is proposed next to Stellar and where can I find the information.

Thanks

moonk123
01-12-08, 22:14
Project Name-THE STELLAR
Developer-First Bedok Land Pte Ltd(GuocoLand Group)
Property Type-Condominium
Tenure - Freehold
Total Units - 162
Completion Date - Est Feb 2010
District - 5

http://www.virtualhomes.sg/FileUpload/Project/211/Images/main.jpg

http://www.virtualhomes.sg/FileUpload/Project/211/Images/ex1.jpg

http://www.virtualhomes.sg/FileUpload/Project/211/Images/in1.jpg

see virtual tour from :

http://www.virtualhomes.sg/thestellar

:)

code01
04-12-08, 23:28
Just been to Stellar. TOP already. Quite nice. Water PES unit looks so cool :rolleyes:

SP specialist
05-12-08, 09:42
Has been house hunting every weekends for the past 6 months for a bargain unit in the west. I was hoping to pick up a bargain couple with so many articles talking down on the property market.

However, the current asking price is still very stiff and the owners are not willing to lower their expectation.

For what I have gathered, current price in the west is as followed:-

$600+psf to $800+psf for leasehold project
$800+psf to $900+psf for freehold project

Less than $600psf is already hard to come by don't talk about less than $500psf.

Really Tan Ku Ku!!!

No true. It had happen already. There is one unit @ Clementiwoods sold in dec less than 600psf!
Those sellers good luck

stalingrad
05-12-08, 12:22
No true. It had happen already. There is one unit @ Clementiwoods sold in dec less than 600psf!
Those sellers good luck

I passed by the stellar site almost daily. I like how the buildings look. They look much better than varsity park. But to be fair, the surroundings are just too noisy and dirty, and for the sake of my kids' health, I would not consider a unit there. I wouldn't want my kids to develop asthma from breathing all the soot and diesel fumes from passing lorries. Perhaps the inner most units would offer a less polluted and less noisy living space. but i would pay only 500 psf for those units. the market is crashing you know!!!

code01
05-12-08, 18:04
One north goin for $7xxpsf yet no one is picking up :rolleyes: Do ur noticed it is the non TOP project whose price are dropping more than TOP project...

rramesh
29-12-08, 09:02
Having seen the Stellar and the neighbouring Varsity Park these are my comments on the Stellar.

Positives

- Unlike VP, The Stellar is freehold
- Good location but the proposed flyover may cause some concerns to units facing Clementi Rd
- Workmanship generally good as both developments were built by Woh Hup
- Carpark is adequate

Negatives

- All units have very small rooms
- Units are very close to one another. In fact some of the units are abutting and one can cross over from one's balcony to the neighbour's bedroom
- NO and I repeat there is NO clubhouse
- Quality of fittings poor

Between the 2 developments, clearly Varsity Park has the better rental prospects as the facilities are extensive

stalingrad
29-12-08, 09:10
Agreed that the prospect for the stellar is not very good. Passed by it everyone, and have been amazed how close most of the stacks are to one another.

I guess it would be easy for a burglar to "clean up" more than one unit at a time. He would just have to crawl from one balcony to another.

Diesel fume is another problem. Clementi road is now crawling with more lorries and container trucks than AYE.

Mabel
08-01-09, 12:03
A unit transacted at 503 psf under a contract in December 2008 as it's shown in today's BT. Even during launch, I don't recall any unit, however big or small, transacted at this price.

jsh
08-01-09, 21:02
A unit transacted at 503 psf under a contract in December 2008 as it's shown in today's BT. Even during launch, I don't recall any unit, however big or small, transacted at this price.

please read the article in condosing on " when a price fall isn't a price fall" I am utterly shocked that there's such a thing as duplicate caveats which can mislead completely the actual price transacted by as much as 50%.

So all the sellers out there , be very careful about rogue agents who may be out to mislead you with such caveats in order to secure low prices for their clients.

ST88
09-01-09, 09:07
I think this fall is only peculiar to Stellar. A lot of worried owners want to sell their units due to the proposed flyover next to it.

There are flyovers all over Singapore. i do not think it is a big deal.

psiah
12-01-09, 15:59
I wonder why lota ppl talking about the clementi road flyover. the ura plan does not have anything on it. pls enlighten me. tks.

tengcc
16-01-09, 08:26
I wonder why lota ppl talking about the clementi road flyover. the ura plan does not have anything on it. pls enlighten me. tks.

In the longer term, ie. 2020, the port will be relocated to Tuas. Very much depend on how long you want to stay vested in this area.

If NUS continues to expand, I will not be surprised the whole plot of land where Stellar and VP is sitting will be something that NUS will be eyeing at in the future. ENBLOC???

stalingrad
16-01-09, 09:13
I wonder why lota ppl talking about the clementi road flyover. the ura plan does not have anything on it. pls enlighten me. tks.

It was reported in Straights Times one year ago, and it will be a big one so that big container trucks and lorries can go straight into the port from Clementi road and west coast high way. This will worsen the air quality and noise problems at the stellar, not that these problems are not serious enough even without the flyover. recent transacted prices for the stellar are approaching 500 psf. pretty scary now, will they go below 500, who know? but it seems inevitable. The condo has many problems besides noise and pollution, one of which is because of the small land size, the blocks are very close to each other, you can see your neighbors' wives take a shower or change clothes. A horrible thought if you neighbors' wives are fat and ugly. haha!!

Tweety
16-01-09, 13:35
It was reported in Straights Times one year ago, and it will be a big one so that big container trucks and lorries can go straight into the port from Clementi road and west coast high way. This will worsen the air quality and noise problems at the stellar, not that these problems are not serious enough even without the flyover. recent transacted prices for the stellar are approaching 500 psf. pretty scary now, will they go below 500, who know? but it seems inevitable. The condo has many problems besides noise and pollution, one of which is because of the small land size, the blocks are very close to each other, you can see your neighbors' wives take a shower or change clothes. A horrible thought if you neighbors' wives are fat and ugly. haha!!


I do agree that the blocks at Stellar are very close to each other but it is exaggerating to claim that you can see your neighbours' wives showering or changing clothes...This is ridiculous! Prices of Stellar and Varsity Park will never go below those of Carabelle or Infiniti and you can be sure of that. I can't see how the air or noise pollution can be anywhere as bad as those of the AYE...

psiah
19-01-09, 10:05
i agree with stalingrad regarding how close the units are and he is not exaggerating. for some units, the bathrooms are facing each other and very close so basically.....

Tweety
19-01-09, 10:10
i agree with stalingrad regarding how close the units are and he is not exaggerating. for some units, the bathrooms are facing each other and very close so basically.....

Agree too but not for the fact that you can see your neighbours in action in the bathroom no matter how close you are...I believe you are only seeing empty units now.

stalingrad
19-01-09, 10:22
Agree too but not for the fact that you can see your neighbours in action in the bathroom no matter how close you are...I believe you are only seeing empty units now.

Tweey, don't quibble and you know what I meant. I was just making the point that it is uncomforable living in the stellar where your neighbors will be watching every move you make, and you can't escape that because the blocks are so close. Your neighbors can tell what you are eating tonight by taking a whiff of the air. That is how close the blocks are. I wouldn't live there even if it is selling less than $500 psf. I need my privacy.

As for Carabelle and the infiniti, you have a right to your opinions. Let's see who will be right. The Stellar in my view is not going to be a winner in the long run. It is just besieged by too many problems.

Tweety
19-01-09, 10:26
Tweey, don't quibble and you know what I meant. I was just making the point that it is uncomforable living in the stellar where your neighbors will be watching every move you make, and you can't escape that because the blocks are so close. Your neighbors can tell what you are eating tonight by taking a whiff of the air. That is how close the blocks are. I wouldn't live there even if it is selling less than $500 psf. I need my privacy.

As for Carabelle and the infiniti, you have a right to your opinions. Let's see who will be right. The Stellar in my view is not going to be a winner in the long run. It is just besieged by too many problems.

You are right that everyone is entitled to their own opinion...Let the facts and figures speak for itself then.

ST88
19-01-09, 12:54
A lot of projects in the area have units close to each other. Monterey Park and Botannia are such examples. Just put up curtains or blinds to solve the problem.

proud owner
04-02-09, 14:28
i dont deny prices will fall .. everywhere in singapore ..esp orchard area ...

as for PP and westcoast area .. i think we should not compare stellar with VP , Clementiwoods, One North ... those are all leasehold 99 yrs ...

you can argue that one wont outlive the lease...but at the end of the day(your life) .. you know you still own it ..when its freehold .. the value of 99 yr project will fall more as it gets older ...

stalingrad
04-02-09, 14:47
i dont deny prices will fall .. everywhere in singapore ..esp orchard area ...

as for PP and westcoast area .. i think we should not compare stellar with VP , Clementiwoods, One North ... those are all leasehold 99 yrs ...

you can argue that one wont outlive the lease...but at the end of the day(your life) .. you know you still own it ..when its freehold .. the value of 99 yr project will fall more as it gets older ...

But VP, CW, and ON don't have the pollution and noise problems that the stellar has, or at least not as serious. Also, these condos have a much land area than the stellar and don't have the privacy problem that Stellar has. The blocks at the stellar are so neatly packed together, the residents can see each other's moves very clearly. I hope you don't have the habit of doing sleasy things with your wife while leaving your curtains undrawn.

proud owner
04-02-09, 14:55
hahah no no i dont have such habit ...

yes pollution will eventually be an issue ...

anyway i am staying at the opposite end .. nearer to kentridge ...south buona vista ...thats perfectly fresh air

Tweety
04-02-09, 15:00
But VP, CW, and ON don't have the pollution and noise problems that the stellar has, or at least not as serious. Also, these condos have a much land area than the stellar and don't have the privacy problem that Stellar has. The blocks at the stellar are so neatly packed together, the residents can see each other's moves very clearly. I hope you don't have the habit of doing sleasy things with your wife while leaving your curtains undrawn.

Sure Stellar has its fair share of pollution and noise problems due to its location but so do VP, CW, BH, Carabelle or Infiniti...Which condo that is located near the port does not have this problem???? You are right though that Stellar doesn't have a bigger land space...For goodness sake, are you telling me that you can do sleazy stuffs with your wife in Carabelle without drawing your curtains? I don't see the need to post such extreme remarks about other condos which you seem to be so fond of..First about Stellar and then Parc and Botannia, I wonder whats next for you....No condo is perfect but I really don't see the need for some of these extreme remarks which unfortunately will not bring the price of Carabelle any higher.

stalingrad
04-02-09, 15:06
Sure Stellar has its fair share of pollution and noise problems due to its location but so do VP, CW, BH, Carabelle or Infiniti...Which condo that is located near the port does not have this problem???? You are right though that Stellar doesn't have a bigger land space...For goodness sake, are you telling me that you can do sleazy stuffs with your wife in Carabelle without drawing your curtains? I don't see the need to post such extreme remarks about other condos which you seem to be so fond of..First about Stellar and then Parc and Botannia, I wonder whats next for you....No condo is perfect but I really don't see the need for some of these extreme remarks which unfortunately will not bring the price of Carabelle any higher.

thank you for tracking my every move and reading my every post. You are my biggest fan. but you must admit I am telling the truth. I pass by the stellar every day on my wife to work, my god, I just can't stand the noise and stench of diesel fume in your area. My god, how can you live in such a noisy and dirty place, with a long queue of diesel trucks waiting at the traffic lights, spewing carcinogens into your home?

Tweety
04-02-09, 15:11
thank you for tracking my every move and reading my every post. You are my biggest fan. but you must admit I am telling the truth. I pass by the stellar every day on my wife to work, my god, I just can't stand the noise and stench of diesel fume in your area. My god, how can you live in such a noisy and dirty place, with a long queue of diesel trucks waiting at the traffic lights, spewing carcinogens into your home?

No worries...We are not living in a big city...Wherever you are, you will still inhale your so-called carcinogens and it is a fact. There are 162 owners in Stellar there so you don't have to worry about that. Thanks for your concerns though and remember again, the figures speak for itself at the end of the day.

stalingrad
04-02-09, 15:15
No worries...We are not living in a big city...Wherever you are, you will still inhale your so-called carcinogens and it is a fact. There are 162 owners in Stellar there so you don't have to worry about that. Thanks for your concerns though and remember again, the figures speak for itself at the end of the day.

Now that is the spirit. I have no malice against your stellar residents. I don't wish you harm. Just like to comment on the pros and cons of each condo. I also like to poke holes in people's posts glorifying their little mouse traps.

call me a devil if you will.

tengcc
04-02-09, 15:27
No worries...We are not living in a big city...Wherever you are, you will still inhale your so-called carcinogens and it is a fact. There are 162 owners in Stellar there so you don't have to worry about that. Thanks for your concerns though and remember again, the figures speak for itself at the end of the day.

Hi Tweety, I was told some of the ground level units have their private pool. Is that true?

thanks

Mabel
04-02-09, 15:28
No worries...We are not living in a big city...Wherever you are, you will still inhale your so-called carcinogens and it is a fact. There are 162 owners in Stellar there so you don't have to worry about that. Thanks for your concerns though and remember again, the figures speak for itself at the end of the day.

ST has a nice big pool and a pretty entrance and inviting gym. I wonder though if it is really noisy and dusty for blks 12 (adjacent to the entrance and faces the 4-junction) and 10 (next to blk 12) and some other units by Clementi Road. Can the residents comment? What's the going psf now?

Tweety
05-02-09, 10:01
Hi Tweety, I was told some of the ground level units have their private pool. Is that true?

thanks


Hi tengcc,

Ha! True and untrue...They do have their private pool but I wouldn't really call it a pool because it is so small that perhaps one can only take a dip in there...A tub may be more appropriate. Maintenance fees may be rather high because of the private pool but some residents do like it though.

Cheers.

proud owner
05-02-09, 10:05
Hi tengcc,

Ha! True and untrue...They do have their private pool but I wouldn't really call it a pool because it is so small that perhaps one can only take a dip in there...A tub may be more appropriate. Maintenance fees may be rather high because of the private pool but some residents do like it though.

Cheers.

the maintenance is pretty high ... a friend of mine has a penthouse there ..due to the small number of units ..per share per unit is high ..he is paying some $510 a mth for maintenance for the penthouse

Tweety
05-02-09, 10:09
the maintenance is pretty high ... a friend of mine has a penthouse there ..due to the small number of units ..per share per unit is high ..he is paying some $510 a mth for maintenance for the penthouse

Yes...I do agree with you...The maintenance is on the high side as compared to other nearby condo units.

stalingrad
05-02-09, 11:14
the maintenance is pretty high ... a friend of mine has a penthouse there ..due to the small number of units ..per share per unit is high ..he is paying some $510 a mth for maintenance for the penthouse

the maintenance fee equals the rent of a HDB apartment. that is ironic because people buy condos to avoid paying the high rent. They are still paying a high rent after buying the stellar.

stalingrad
05-02-09, 11:25
Hi tengcc,

Ha! True and untrue...They do have their private pool but I wouldn't really call it a pool because it is so small that perhaps one can only take a dip in there...A tub may be more appropriate. Maintenance fees may be rather high because of the private pool but some residents do like it though.

Cheers.

I saw a picture of the pool. it is about 3 meters by 3 meters. even if you raise fish in there, you would be accused of animal cruelty.

proud owner
05-02-09, 11:54
I saw a picture of the pool. it is about 3 meters by 3 meters. even if you raise fish in there, you would be accused of animal cruelty.

newbie
you seem very anti-stellar...
are you owner or varsity park or any of the other 99 yr condos nearby?
:tongue3:

Tweety
05-02-09, 12:19
the maintenance fee equals the rent of a HDB apartment. that is ironic because people buy condos to avoid paying the high rent. They are still paying a high rent after buying the stellar.

Please stop all your nonsense...Find me a HDB apartment of similar size and monthly rental similar to the monthly maintenance fees of Stellar..You are just a sore loser.

Tweety
05-02-09, 12:21
newbie
you seem very anti-stellar...
are you owner or varsity park or any of the other 99 yr condos nearby?
:tongue3:

This chap is not only anti-stellar, he made similar desparity remarks about most other West Coast properties except the Carabelle....He can write as much as he could but at the end of the day, his efforts will not bring up the value of Carabelle as compared to the others...

stalingrad
05-02-09, 12:39
This chap is not only anti-stellar, he made similar desparity remarks about most other West Coast properties except the Carabelle....He can write as much as he could but at the end of the day, his efforts will not bring up the value of Carabelle as compared to the others...

tweety. don't divert attention from the main issue here, which is the stellar is a good condo or not? I have seen your posts elsewhere. You tend to react to whatever negative comments people make about your little mouse trap at the stellar, instead of coming up with valid arguments against those negative comments.

If you have comments about other condos, you are welcome to make them. It is a free society. But don't lie and don't exaggerate, because I don't. Everything I said about this little condo of yours is true, and can be corroborated by paying a visit at the site. noisy, of course it is give that it is located at a 4 way junction with a flyover to be built this or next year. polluted, of course it is given the same reason. silly hole called private pool, of course it is true. the high maintenance fee, of course it is high.

I told you I bear you no ill well. I just like to poke fun at your glorified mouse true you call a condo.

proud owner
05-02-09, 12:40
This chap is not only anti-stellar, he made similar desparity remarks about most other West Coast properties except the Carabelle....He can write as much as he could but at the end of the day, his efforts will not bring up the value of Carabelle as compared to the others...

i agree ..think he owns a unit at carabelle ... which is surrounded by landed properties ..narrow roads ... in and out of that area so troublesome ...as opposed to stellar ..get out of gate, turn right to west coast highway to east coast/CBD so convenient ..

turn left to AYE , or down to holland road and you are in orchard ..so convenient ...

at night if hungry, just cross the road and theres 24 hr 7/11, prata and all ...

to be honest i really like varsity park and stellar ... but stellar is FH so i might consider getting one there ...

after all these years , ntg beats FH and convenience ...

so what carabelle is QUIET and NOT DUSTY ? takes one forever to get to main road ...

stalingrad
05-02-09, 12:45
i agree ..think he owns a unit at carabelle ... which is surrounded by landed properties ..narrow roads ... in and out of that area so troublesome ...as opposed to stellar ..get out of gate, turn right to west coast highway to east coast/CBD so convenient ..

turn left to AYE , or down to holland road and you are in orchard ..so convenient ...

at night if hungry, just cross the road and theres 24 hr 7/11, prata and all ...

to be honest i really like varsity park and stellar ... but stellar is FH so i might consider getting one there ...

after all these years , ntg beats FH and convenience ...

so what carabelle is QUIET and NOT DUSTY ? takes one forever to get to main road ...

now that is how a gentleman should argue. Just say your point, and don't attribute whatever people say to alterior motives, like tweety always does.

proud owner
05-02-09, 12:45
tweety. don't divert attention from the main issue here, which is the stellar is a good condo or not? I have seen your posts elsewhere. You tend to react to whatever negative comments people make about your little mouse trap at the stellar, instead of coming up with valid arguments against those negative comments.

If you have comments about other condos, you are welcome to make them. It is a free society. But don't lie and don't exaggerate, because I don't. Everything I said about this little condo of yours is true, and can be corroborated by paying a visit at the site. noisy, of course it is give that it is located at a 4 way junction with a flyover to be built this or next year. polluted, of course it is given the same reason. silly hole called private pool, of course it is true. the high maintenance fee, of course it is high.

I told you I bear you no ill well. I just like to poke fun at your glorified mouse true you call a condo.

ok ok lets stop this ...

each condo has its good and bad ..the PERFECT home is what we make of it, on the inside ...

I have seen condos, looking terrible outside, but inside is a world of it own ...

so stellar is FH ..good .. at a junction, maybe noisy but convenient

carabelle to me too deep inside from main road ..getting in and out very tough

clementiwoods .. 99yr ... not for me ...

infiniti ? the name implies ...too far



if you want to talk about junction and noisy and dusty ..Spectrum has it all

stalingrad
05-02-09, 12:48
ok ok lets stop this ...

each condo has its good and bad ..the PERFECT home is what we make of it, on the inside ...

I have seen condos, looking terrible outside, but inside is a world of it own ...

so stellar is FH ..good .. at a junction, maybe noisy but convenient

carabelle to me too deep inside from main road ..getting in and out very tough

clementiwoods .. 99yr ... not for me ...

infiniti ? the name implies ...too far



if you want to talk about junction and noisy and dusty ..Spectrum has it all

Don't even get me started about spectrum. It is a hell hole as far as I am concerned. the stellar is not the worst condo in singapore because that dubious distinction belongs to spectrum.

cher
05-02-09, 12:50
ok ok lets stop this ...

each condo has its good and bad ..the PERFECT home is what we make of it, on the inside ...

I have seen condos, looking terrible outside, but inside is a world of it own ...

so stellar is FH ..good .. at a junction, maybe noisy but convenient

carabelle to me too deep inside from main road ..getting in and out very tough

clementiwoods .. 99yr ... not for me ...

infiniti ? the name implies ...too far



if you want to talk about junction and noisy and dusty ..Spectrum has it all

So what if Stellar is FH, just look at the psf, it is the same as varisity park which is 99yrs? What does this tell you?

proud owner
05-02-09, 12:50
Don't even get me started about spectrum. It is a hell hole as far as I am concerned. the stellar is not the worst condo in singapore because that dubious distinction belongs to spectrum.

by the way .. where exactly is this clementi highway you talked about ?

proud owner
05-02-09, 12:53
So what if Stellar is FH, just look at the psf, it is the same as varisity park which is 99yrs? What does this tell you?

this tells me, those who have bought varsity park , has paid too high .. not realising that theres so many units and its 99 yrs ...

only those who bought at launch made money ..those who bgt subsale or resale really paid too high for VP

stalingrad
05-02-09, 12:54
by the way .. where exactly is this clementi highway you talked about ?

flyover? yes, it was reported in ST last year, a flyover will be built near the stellar to allow big lorries in and out of the port more easily. that is not a good news for this area. so, don't buy unless the price hit 500 psf, or at least wait until the flyover is built and its impact can be assessed.

Tweety
05-02-09, 13:01
tweety. don't divert attention from the main issue here, which is the stellar is a good condo or not? I have seen your posts elsewhere. You tend to react to whatever negative comments people make about your little mouse trap at the stellar, instead of coming up with valid arguments against those negative comments.

If you have comments about other condos, you are welcome to make them. It is a free society. But don't lie and don't exaggerate, because I don't. Everything I said about this little condo of yours is true, and can be corroborated by paying a visit at the site. noisy, of course it is give that it is located at a 4 way junction with a flyover to be built this or next year. polluted, of course it is given the same reason. silly hole called private pool, of course it is true. the high maintenance fee, of course it is high.

I told you I bear you no ill well. I just like to poke fun at your glorified mouse true you call a condo.


Whether Stellar is good or not is subjective..To each its own and like I say earlier, no condo is perfect but I will never exaggerate comments about other condos. Yours are over the hill and silly. If you think you didn't exaggerate, I wonder who else will. You have seen my posts elsewhere?? Then you must have been seeing stars. I haven't had a single posts elsewhere except in the Stellar topic so who is the liar?? I will only react if the comments are exaggerating, not because it is negative. I have never denied that the project is small or there are air or noise pollution or even to the fact that the maintenance fee is high but not to the terrible extent that you have described. AYE isn't polluted huh?

If you so desire to poke fun at every single condos, do it on your so called own condo. You can continue with your desparity posts about other condo units but it won't bring the price of yours any higher than the rest..

proud owner
05-02-09, 13:01
flyover? yes, it was reported in ST last year, a flyover will be built near the stellar to allow big lorries in and out of the port more easily. that is not a good news for this area. so, don't buy unless the price hit 500 psf, or at least wait until the flyover is built and its impact can be assessed.

wow thats no good ... but i am not sure though .. that huge junction is not very jam ... and its wide .. why wold they need a flyover ?

in fact i heard the moving all port stuff to tuas ...

anyway .. i am only glad that my house is at south buona vista ... away from all these ...

stalingrad
05-02-09, 13:04
Whether Stellar is good or not is subjective..To each its own and like I say earlier, no condo is perfect but I will never exaggerate comments about other condos. Yours are over the hill and silly. If you think you didn't exaggerate, I wonder who else will. You have seen my posts elsewhere?? Then you must have been seeing stars. I haven't had a single posts elsewhere except in the Stellar topic so who is the liar?? I will only react if the comments are exaggerating, not because it is negative. I have never denied that the project is small or there are air or noise pollution or even to the fact that the maintenance fee is high but not to the terrible extent that you have described. AYE isn't polluted huh?

If you so desire to poke fun at every single condos, do it on your so called own condo. You can continue with your desparity posts about other condo units but it won't bring the price of yours any higher than the rest..

there he goes again.

stalingrad
05-02-09, 13:06
wow thats no good ... but i am not sure though .. that huge junction is not very jam ... and its wide .. why wold they need a flyover ?

in fact i heard the moving all port stuff to tuas ...

anyway .. i am only glad that my house is at south buona vista ... away from all these ...

you are wrong. the big lorries and container trucks have trouble in and out of the port because of the traffic lights at the junction. You can see sometimes 20 or more lorries in a line right at the traffic light. that is not good for port's efficiency. or worst, it makes the air at the stellar area practically toxic, with all the diesel fume.

tengcc
05-02-09, 13:19
Hi tengcc,

Ha! True and untrue...They do have their private pool but I wouldn't really call it a pool because it is so small that perhaps one can only take a dip in there...A tub may be more appropriate. Maintenance fees may be rather high because of the private pool but some residents do like it though.

Cheers.

Thanks tweety, u bought stellar? If yes, well done. Both VP and Stellar and probably CW will be in for some nice surprises come 2020. Thats when the port will start relo........ Oops, talk too much. Cheers.

proud owner
05-02-09, 13:25
Thanks tweety, u bought stellar? If yes, well done. Both VP and Stellar and probably CW will be in for some nice surprises come 2020. Thats when the port will start relo........ Oops, talk too much. Cheers.

very contradicting ... someone said building flyover ..now you said port relocating ?

Tweety
05-02-09, 13:25
Thanks tweety, u bought stellar? If yes, well done. Both VP and Stellar and probably CW will be in for some nice surprises come 2020. Thats when the port will start relo........ Oops, talk too much. Cheers.

Yes tengcc, I bought it since VP is out of reach for me at that time. I simply love the environment in this part of the island despite what some has said about the air and noise pollution. My love for VP will never die..Hope to get it some day. Ha! Ha! Would welcome you to drop by my place anytime...

Cheers.

cher
05-02-09, 13:26
this tells me, those who have bought varsity park , has paid too high .. not realising that theres so many units and its 99 yrs ...

only those who bought at launch made money ..those who bgt subsale or resale really paid too high for VP


Who said so? Even at the same psf most will choose Varsity park versus Stellar simply because of the landscape. Stellar is so cramp my goodness! At the end of the day who cares if it is FH ot 99, in terms of rental yield 99 is higher somemore.

ahlahdin
05-02-09, 13:30
Brothers and sisters, arguing like that is a waste of time. A true buyer will bother to visit the site and see for himself. I have been driving there often as I like the food around the wider area, like duck rice, nasi lemak and prata. Reminds me of student days.

Personally, I find Stellar and Spectrum to be ok condos, and traffic/exhaust pollution to be within acceptable levels. Nothing that a human being will die from, though not yet proven. Maybe I am immune to it as I live in the city and these things are no problem for me. I trust the Ministry of Env to ensure that pollution levels in Singapore are within safe levels, where ever it occurs.

However there could be some people who are hyper sensitive to pollution, for whom even an usual day walking on Orchard Rd will make them ill. For these people, may I suggest condos like Raintree or Faber Heights(?) or those in Tanah Merah. A bit inconvenient without a car, but hey you can't have your cake and eat it too.

This is Singapore, find me a place that is near public transport, with clean air, greenery, and no traffic, with amenities all around you. Actually Leonie Hill fits the bill, but you gotta pay 2 or 3 times what you pay for West Coast. So be realistic.

Come to think of it, Park Infinia and Residences@Evelyn hits all those criteria but too congested. Jervois? Nathan? Can do but no MRT nor amenities. Well, all these cost a lot more than West Coast. Excuse me for off topic. Sometimes you just have to make do with the budget you have.

proud owner
05-02-09, 13:31
Who said so? Even at the same psf most will choose Varsity park versus Stellar simply because of the landscape. Stellar is so cramp my goodness! At the end of the day who cares if it is FH ot 99, in terms of rental yield 99 is higher somemore.

we are on the same frequency

if you buy to stay ..most would prefer FH ...
buy to rent out ..then 99 yr ..cos you dont care how your tenant mess up your place ...

but if you are an investor with more than 1 property .. most would still prefer FH ...

looks like you are a ONE condo owner

i recommend the next one ..if you buy ..be a FH

stalingrad
05-02-09, 13:31
very contradicting ... someone said building flyover ..now you said port relocating ?

Dec 22, 2007 $2b mega project to expand Singapore port
16 additional berths in Pasir Panjang to cope with trade boom By Bryan Lee SINGAPORE is spending $2 billion to expand its port to beef up annual capacity by about 40 per cent. The mega project will help ensure that the local docks, already bursting at the seams, can cope with the higher volumes expected from booming global trade.
The expansion plans - known as Phases 3 and 4 - will make space for 16 additional berths in Pasir Panjang, which will have an annual handling capacity of 14 million standard containers, said the Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore.
Work is expected to be completed by 2013, although certain preparation and conservation initiatives have already been undertaken over the past two years.
The project comes on top of ongoing port expansion efforts as sea traffic here has seen steady growth.
Container traffic grew 6.9 per cent last year to hit 24.8 million twenty-foot-equivalent units (TEUs) - the term for the freight boxes - making Singapore the busiest container port in the world.
Volumes are forecast to rise even more this year on booming trade between Asia and Europe. PSA, which operates four of the five container terminals here, expects to handle 27 million boxes this year. In the first eight months of the year, volumes were up 13.7 per cent to 17.8 million TEUs.
The Pasir Panjang terminal, the subject of the latest expansion plan, is already doubling its number of berths over the next two years under an initial development project known as Phases 1 and 2.
PSA Singapore Terminals, the terminal's operator, is building 13 berths at Pasir Panjang under the first two phases to bring the total to 26 berths.
The company has spent $5 billion over the past 10 years on the terminal's two development phases. When these are completed in 2009, it expects the annual container handling capacity across its four terminals here to hit 35 million boxes that year.
'PSA Singapore Terminals continues to experience strong growth in its container volumes and we expect to handle 27 million TEUs this year,' said a PSA spokesman. 'We have already fast-tracked our development of Pasir Panjang Terminal Phase 2. The development of Phases 3 and 4 is therefore timely.'
Jurong Port, which runs a much smaller operation, is also beefing up capacity, upgrading quay cranes and extending the length of its five berths, said a spokesman.
The latest expansion plan for Pasir Panjang will have a total quay length of 6km, adding to the current total of 14.2km across all 49 container berths islandwide.
Some major roads in the area will also be lengthened and upgraded in anticipation of heavier road traffic from a bigger port. Harbour Drive will be extended eastwards while the intersection between Clementi Road and West Coast Highway will be upgraded with a flyover.
The contract for the project has been awarded to a consortium comprising civil engineering firms Koon Construction & Transport, Penta-Ocean Construction, Hyundai Engineering & Construction and Van Oord Dredging and Marine Contractors.
While still early days, industry experts tip PSA to be the likely operator of the new berths.
The company did not confirm this but said: 'PSA is working closely with the Ministry of Transport and Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore on this new development. Our customers can be assured that we will have capacity for them to expand their hubbing operations here.'
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stalingrad
05-02-09, 13:34
tengcc said the port will be relocated in 2020. not if you read the article I just posted. tengcc, you are in trouble whether you are telling the truth or not. if what you said is a lie, you may be arrested for spreading a rumor. If it is true, you are revealing confidential information that can be exploited for personal gains. watch out the police may be on the way.

stalingrad
05-02-09, 13:40
tengcc said the port will be relocated in 2020. not if you read the article I just posted. tengcc, you are in trouble whether you are telling the truth or not. if what you said is a lie, you may be arrested for spreading a rumor. If it is true, you are revealing confidential information that can be exploited for personal gains. watch out the police may be on the way.

if the port is relocating in 2020, why would the government expanding it now by adding more berths?

tengcc
05-02-09, 13:51
if the port is relocating in 2020, why would the government expanding it now by adding more berths?

Bro, when did I mentioned the word "relocating"??. Please read again my post. Relo...... can be Reload with more facilities bla bla. Don't anyhow say ok.:tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk:

stalingrad
05-02-09, 13:58
Bro, when did I mentioned the word "relocating"??. Please read again my post. Relo...... can be Reload with more facilities bla bla. Don't anyhow say ok.:tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk:

too late, have already reported you to the police. give that lame excuse to them when they knock on your door.

cher
05-02-09, 15:29
we are on the same frequency

if you buy to stay ..most would prefer FH ...
buy to rent out ..then 99 yr ..cos you dont care how your tenant mess up your place ...

but if you are an investor with more than 1 property .. most would still prefer FH ...

looks like you are a ONE condo owner

i recommend the next one ..if you buy ..be a FH


What makes you think i am a ONE condo owner just because I am indifferent to FH or 99, just look at Carribean, SAIL, MBR, Icon all 99 yrs, value is still holding well and worth much more than your so call "pigeon hole" FREEHOLD condo.

proud owner
05-02-09, 16:08
What makes you think i am a ONE condo owner just because I am indifferent to FH or 99, just look at Carribean, SAIL, MBR, Icon all 99 yrs, value is still holding well and worth much more than your so call "pigeon hole" FREEHOLD condo.

carribean/sails/MBR/icon all prices falling like mad ... i sure hope you dont have any unit there ...

cher
05-02-09, 16:27
carribean/sails/MBR/icon all prices falling like mad ... i sure hope you dont have any unit there ...


For condo what is important is not the 99 or FH it is Location, Location and Location! I will rather take a 99 with good location than a FH with lousy location any time. 99 or FH is only important if you are buying landed property as you own the piece of land compared to condo where you only own a space up in the air and so what if it is FH.

Douk
05-02-09, 17:13
:tsk-tsk: whether condo or landed, 99 will affect the value of the property in long run..


For condo what is important is not the 99 or FH it is Location, Location and Location! I will rather take a 99 with good location than a FH with lousy location any time. 99 or FH is only important if you are buying landed property as you own the piece of land compared to condo where you only own a space up in the air and so what if it is FH.

ahlahdin
05-02-09, 23:41
For condo what is important is not the 99 or FH it is Location, Location and Location! I will rather take a 99 with good location than a FH with lousy location any time. 99 or FH is only important if you are buying landed property as you own the piece of land compared to condo where you only own a space up in the air and so what if it is FH.

Do you even know what good location is? 30 years old 99yr condos like Horizon Tower and Grangeford can retain their value well after so long, even netting high gains when en bloc. That is because their locations are really prime, in the heart of Singapore.

Can you say the same for 99 yr LH condo in West Coast or East Coast or HDB suburb? Do you know that even 99 yr LH sites in Holland or Bukit Timah are also not considered good enough - their values drop over time.

I agree that 99 yr or FH is not important for those located in super prime areas. But if your area is so-so only, then you can forget it.

Your argument of "only owning space in the air" is incorrect when it comes to Singapore and other mega urban centres like Tokyo, London and Manhattan. In land scarce Singapore there is such a thing called plot ratio, which ensures that even space in the air is put to good use. If a building on a well-located plot of land has not maximised its plot ratio, you can be sure there will be many interested developers looking at it. And because plot ratio limits the gross floor area (built-up area) in the ratio to the land size, the more desirable the location, the more developers will pay for your "space in the air". Therein lies the value.

As for some people's argument that they "do not live so long, so 99 yrs is enough", I feel they are totally missing the point. 99 yr LH at any point in time is a depreciating asset. So even if you do not live long enough and pass it down to your children, your children may be holding onto a low value white elephant that is only good for living in and renting out, they can't sell it unless it is for a dime, and banks will certainly not finance any buyer who wants to buy a unit there, unless they are buying it en-bloc 100% of the units.

jc
06-02-09, 00:29
Do you even know what good location is? 30 years old 99yr condos like Horizon Tower and Grangeford can retain their value well after so long, even netting high gains when en bloc. That is because their locations are really prime, in the heart of Singapore.

Can you say the same for 99 yr LH condo in West Coast or East Coast or HDB suburb? Do you know that even 99 yr LH sites in Holland or Bukit Timah are also not considered good enough - their values drop over time.

I agree that 99 yr or FH is not important for those located in super prime areas. But if your area is so-so only, then you can forget it.

Your argument of "only owning space in the air" is incorrect when it comes to Singapore and other mega urban centres like Tokyo, London and Manhattan. In land scarce Singapore there is such a thing called plot ratio, which ensures that even space in the air is put to good use. If a building on a well-located plot of land has not maximised its plot ratio, you can be sure there will be many interested developers looking at it. And because plot ratio limits the gross floor area (built-up area) in the ratio to the land size, the more desirable the location, the more developers will pay for your "space in the air". Therein lies the value.

As for some people's argument that they "do not live so long, so 99 yrs is enough", I feel they are totally missing the point. 99 yr LH at any point in time is a depreciating asset. So even if you do not live long enough and pass it down to your children, your children may be holding onto a low value white elephant that is only good for living in and renting out, they can't sell it unless it is for a dime, and banks will certainly not finance any buyer who wants to buy a unit there, unless they are buying it en-bloc 100% of the units.

Well said :)

TKT
06-02-09, 09:38
too late, have already reported you to the police. give that lame excuse to them when they knock on your door.



Frankly, i share your point.

If it is a rumor, then :simmering:
If it is classified info, then :tsk-tsk:

Many people dont choose West Coast due to the port, perceived air quality, heavy vehicles, etc, etc...

So T, be responsible in what you say or imply!

secretflame
10-02-09, 02:35
I've been inside Stellar several times. I noted the comments in the forum about the noise, and wanted to verify it. On several occasions while at the poolside for 1 to 3 hours, there was hardly any "big lorries or container truck" noise. Those with me also affirmed this. In fact, the main 'noise' would be from the waterfall in the pool....or we can move to the edge of Stellar,stand at the fence beside the road, then I'm sure the noise would be heard.

Not sure about air pollution, definitely no smell of fumes. In fact, the air in all the different regions in Singapore is still rated as "Good", going by the official PSI measurement. If the air is truly toxic, or at least at a worrying level, then the NEA, or the relevant govt agencies, should be taken to task for not doing its job properly. If the air around Stellar is toxic, or a cause for concern, then with previous assurances given by the govt about the positive air quality, the government must have lied. Provide me with hard proven data and I'll send a letter. I would think that such data is not available.

One of the posts mentioned that there is no clubhouse. In fact, there is...www.thestellar.com.sg

The same post also mentioned that there are adequate parking lots. This, in fact, is not the case. There are 162 units and only 162 lots. No visitor lots at all. Families with 2 cars will face a problem once all the units are occupied and the lots are taken up.

Also, the comments about the pte pools did not paint a complete picture. Some of the pools are small, but some are comparable to those offered in cluster houses and in some high-end condos, if not bigger. Few of the pte pools I've seen around Singapore are big enough for a good workout, be they bungalows or condos. Those big enough (personally visited 2 such mega-bungalows) for such a purpose belong to those amongst the top earners in singapore. Some Stellar pte pool units have strong demand. During the last property boom, price offered went up to as high as $900+ psf.

I hope this can clear up some misinformation....but against those with agenda and who would stoop so low as to use obvious propaganda tactics(intentional or not), then i think this post can't do much.

stalingrad
10-02-09, 09:09
I've been inside Stellar several times. I noted the comments in the forum about the noise, and wanted to verify it. On several occasions while at the poolside for 1 to 3 hours, there was hardly any "big lorries or container truck" noise. Those with me also affirmed this. In fact, the main 'noise' would be from the waterfall in the pool....or we can move to the edge of Stellar,stand at the fence beside the road, then I'm sure the noise would be heard.

Not sure about air pollution, definitely no smell of fumes. In fact, the air in all the different regions in Singapore is still rated as "Good", going by the official PSI measurement. If the air is truly toxic, or at least at a worrying level, then the NEA, or the relevant govt agencies, should be taken to task for not doing its job properly. If the air around Stellar is toxic, or a cause for concern, then with previous assurances given by the govt about the positive air quality, the government must have lied. Provide me with hard proven data and I'll send a letter. I would think that such data is not available.

One of the posts mentioned that there is no clubhouse. In fact, there is...www.thestellar.com.sg (http://www.thestellar.com.sg)

The same post also mentioned that there are adequate parking lots. This, in fact, is not the case. There are 162 units and only 162 lots. No visitor lots at all. Families with 2 cars will face a problem once all the units are occupied and the lots are taken up.

Also, the comments about the pte pools did not paint a complete picture. Some of the pools are small, but some are comparable to those offered in cluster houses and in some high-end condos, if not bigger. Few of the pte pools I've seen around Singapore are big enough for a good workout, be they bungalows or condos. Those big enough (personally visited 2 such mega-bungalows) for such a purpose belong to those amongst the top earners in singapore. Some Stellar pte pool units have strong demand. During the last property boom, price offered went up to as high as $900+ psf.

I hope this can clear up some misinformation....but against those with agenda and who would stoop so low as to use obvious propaganda tactics(intentional or not), then i think this post can't do much.

I have no agenda here. but I noticed some naive comments you made here. The pollution ratings given by the government represent the average quality of air in Singapore. they don't mean the air quality is good everywhere in Singapore. For instance, if you take measurements of air quality in the middle of clementi road on a day when government air quality ratings are good, I am sure you will notice that air in the middle of clementi road is very foul. Or try measure the air quality on jurong island when government air quality ratings are good.

As for noise, I am sure you are not lying that you did not hear noise. but there are two possibilities. one, the noise is drowned out by the water fountain noise. The other is that you were there when it was not the rush hour. Believe, during rush hours, you would hear noise and loud noise. I often witnessed a long line of lorries rumbling up Clementi road at 5pm to 7pm, generating noise and pollution. If you cannot hear that, I wonder whether you need to get your ears checked.

I have no agenda here, because I am not going to buy the stellar nor am I an agent. I am just a resident nearby making comments based on what I can observe.

stalingrad
10-02-09, 09:10
Of course, if you really like the area, by all means by a unit, especially if you like roti prata.

secretflame
10-02-09, 22:05
I have no agenda here. but I noticed some naive comments you made here. The pollution ratings given by the government represent the average quality of air in Singapore. they don't mean the air quality is good everywhere in Singapore. For instance, if you take measurements of air quality in the middle of clementi road on a day when government air quality ratings are good, I am sure you will notice that air in the middle of clementi road is very foul. Or try measure the air quality on jurong island when government air quality ratings are good.

As for noise, I am sure you are not lying that you did not hear noise. but there are two possibilities. one, the noise is drowned out by the water fountain noise. The other is that you were there when it was not the rush hour. Believe, during rush hours, you would hear noise and loud noise. I often witnessed a long line of lorries rumbling up Clementi road at 5pm to 7pm, generating noise and pollution. If you cannot hear that, I wonder whether you need to get your ears checked.

I have no agenda here, because I am not going to buy the stellar nor am I an agent. I am just a resident nearby making comments based on what I can observe.
No, the comments aren't naive. If you think they are, then you must have taken a naive approach.
You have made invalid assumptions and argued without any factual basis.

I quote: "The pollution ratings given by the government represent the average quality of air in Singapore. they don't mean the air quality is good everywhere in Singapore."

In fact, they do mean that the air quality is good everywhere in Singapore.

Please refer to the latest State of the Environment 2008 Report,Singapore, published by the Ministry of the Environment and Water Resources.
The link is here:

http://app.mewr.gov.sg/web/Contents/Contents.aspx?ContId=1233

Go to Chapter 1: Air, page 5, at the bottom of the 'Did You Know' message box. The line reads:

"There is no significant variation in the ambient air quality at different parts of Singapore because of the island's small geographic size."

So, if the region around Stellar/Varsity Park is heavily polluted, so is the place you live.

code01
10-02-09, 22:42
Of course, if you really like the area, by all means by a unit, especially if you like roti prata.

Roti prata nice meh :beats-me-man: To me Stellar not that noisy la... Infiniti more noisy :doh:

proud owner
11-02-09, 09:09
Roti prata nice meh :beats-me-man: To me Stellar not that noisy la... Infiniti more noisy :doh:

i was there last saturday ...friend has a penthouse .. we had bbq at the pit at the garden side ..was nice , quiet and spacious ...

then we proceeded to the PH ...was breezy and not so noisy ...agree that the pool made most of the noise ... then we went to the roof terrace ..my goodness it was so breezy and nice and cool and a good view of the night sky with stars and big bright moon ...(13th lunar calendar .. 15th brightest)

saw alot of ang mo expats there...probably all rental ... indian expats also ...

we played cards till almost 3 am ... walked over to eat prata and teh tarik ..

overall i would say its not too bad a project or location

stalingrad
11-02-09, 09:36
No, the comments aren't naive. If you think they are, then you must have taken a naive approach.
You have made invalid assumptions and argued without any factual basis.

I quote: "The pollution ratings given by the government represent the average quality of air in Singapore. they don't mean the air quality is good everywhere in Singapore."

In fact, they do mean that the air quality is good everywhere in Singapore.

Please refer to the latest State of the Environment 2008 Report,Singapore, published by the Ministry of the Environment and Water Resources.
The link is here:

http://app.mewr.gov.sg/web/Contents/Contents.aspx?ContId=1233

Go to Chapter 1: Air, page 5, at the bottom of the 'Did You Know' message box. The line reads:

"There is no significant variation in the ambient air quality at different parts of Singapore because of the island's small geographic size."

So, if the region around Stellar/Varsity Park is heavily polluted, so is the place you live.

Haha, you made me laugh so hard, I almost threw up. If you were right, then why don't you live on jurong island, or live in a garbage incinarator. Come to think of it, why don't you live in a lab with SARs virus, since, according to you, there are no variations across parts of Singapore in terms of air quality.

Haha, only naive people like you can make statements like that. Just go compare air quality between a bus depot and the botanic garden. there will be a big variation. anyone would know that.

teresa
11-02-09, 13:51
Haha, you made me laugh so hard, I almost threw up. If you were right, then why don't you live on jurong island, or live in a garbage incinarator. Come to think of it, why don't you live in a lab with SARs virus, since, according to you, there are no variations across parts of Singapore in terms of air quality.

Haha, only naive people like you can make statements like that. Just go compare air quality between a bus depot and the botanic garden. there will be a big variation. anyone would know that.

You came into Stellar and other projects except Carabelle to condemn noise and pollution and your cockiness really made me feel sorry for your neighbours who will have to endure your rubbish that you will be dishing out at them when you get yr keys. At least we are fortunate that we will not be your neighbours for sure. Good luck to your TOP at Carabelle. BTW, Carabelle is so close to AYE and I am pretty sure you will definately have a good taste of noise and particularly pollution from the thousands of cars plying the highway. "THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK". :cheers6:

secretflame
12-02-09, 00:41
Haha, you made me laugh so hard, I almost threw up. If you were right, then why don't you live on jurong island, or live in a garbage incinarator. Come to think of it, why don't you live in a lab with SARs virus, since, according to you, there are no variations across parts of Singapore in terms of air quality.

Haha, only naive people like you can make statements like that. Just go compare air quality between a bus depot and the botanic garden. there will be a big variation. anyone would know that.
You have shown that you can’t think straight, again and again.

When will you possess at least an objective sense of judgment in your analysis? I know you are eager to put me down, but as I said, at least make your arguments reasonable.

This forum is about condos situated in residential areas.

You don’t seem to be aware of that.

Instead, you bring in irrelevant examples to support your claims.

You mentioned about Jurong Island, garbage incinerator, lab with sars virus and bus depot.

Do you assume that we have condos in Jurong Island? Or a condo unit in a garbage incinerator? Do the scientists who assess the environment give consideration to garbage areas or a sars virus lab when they come up with the PSI? You really have no idea how to argue your case rationally.

Certainly they are referring to locations relevant to the majority of the populace. Of course, if you live in a garbage incinerator, then you may want to dispute the PSI reports.

Here’s another exposé of your simplistic thinking: nearly all Sars labs have stringent hygiene conditions which the researchers rigidly adhere to, and Sars is a virus, a biological hazard, not technically a pollutant.

You said that “according to you”( with reference to myself), that there are no variations in the air quality in Singapore. This is a lucid example of how you can misread or even mislead. This fact that there is no variation comes from the NEA, not me. It comes from a valid source, credible in reputation, backed by experimental data, instead of relying on phrases like “Everyone knows that”.

You use the number and type of vehicles as the basis for your high pollution claim. Not even once did you show consideration of other significant factors like topography, wind strength and direction, coastal location, etc; how the dynamics of these factors interact to increase or reduce pollution.…..this is how naive you can be.

You have also made a consistent implicit assumption that the air is still, and pollutants that are about 2.5 microns are too heavy to move about (for example, moving from other parts of Singapore to where you live), or that toxic gases stay immobile within a limited pocket of air in an open space. Please justify this assumption of yours.

You have been talking about noise, pollution, dirt, garbage, Sars virus. Even repeatedly mentioning some of them. Now, the readers of this forum will have an idea what fills your mind.

You are a pathetic source of information for those who visit this forum looking for credible information and healthy discussion.

stalingrad
12-02-09, 09:08
You have shown that you can’t think straight, again and again.

When will you possess at least an objective sense of judgment in your analysis? I know you are eager to put me down, but as I said, at least make your arguments reasonable.

This forum is about condos situated in residential areas.

You don’t seem to be aware of that.

Instead, you bring in irrelevant examples to support your claims.

You mentioned about Jurong Island, garbage incinerator, lab with sars virus and bus depot.

Do you assume that we have condos in Jurong Island? Or a condo unit in a garbage incinerator? Do the scientists who assess the environment give consideration to garbage areas or a sars virus lab when they come up with the PSI? You really have no idea how to argue your case rationally.

Certainly they are referring to locations relevant to the majority of the populace. Of course, if you live in a garbage incinerator, then you may want to dispute the PSI reports.

Here’s another exposé of your simplistic thinking: nearly all Sars labs have stringent hygiene conditions which the researchers rigidly adhere to, and Sars is a virus, a biological hazard, not technically a pollutant.

You said that “according to you”( with reference to myself), that there are no variations in the air quality in Singapore. This is a lucid example of how you can misread or even mislead. This fact that there is no variation comes from the NEA, not me. It comes from a valid source, credible in reputation, backed by experimental data, instead of relying on phrases like “Everyone knows that”.

You use the number and type of vehicles as the basis for your high pollution claim. Not even once did you show consideration of other significant factors like topography, wind strength and direction, coastal location, etc; how the dynamics of these factors interact to increase or reduce pollution.…..this is how naive you can be.

You have also made a consistent implicit assumption that the air is still, and pollutants that are about 2.5 microns are too heavy to move about (for example, moving from other parts of Singapore to where you live), or that toxic gases stay immobile within a limited pocket of air in an open space. Please justify this assumption of yours.

You have been talking about noise, pollution, dirt, garbage, Sars virus. Even repeatedly mentioning some of them. Now, the readers of this forum will have an idea what fills your mind.

You are a pathetic source of information for those who visit this forum looking for credible information and healthy discussion.

I don't need any of your mumbo jumbo to deduce that it is hazardous to live at the stellar. All I need is common sense. Can you deny:

(1) the closer you live near a source of pollution, the unhealthier the air?
(2) the closer you live near a source of noise, the noiser the environment
(3) the more vehicles there are at a certain location, the more polluted the area is
(4) In a large or small area, there will be spots with better air and spots with worse air
(5) In a small project like the stellar, the gap between any two blocks will small and therefore there is a loss of privacy.
(6) For a small project like the stellar, the maintenance fee is going to be high.
(7) For a small project like the stellar, there is no room for kids to roam.
(8) With a flyer yet to be built nearby, the upside potential is limited for teh stellar.

I don't need official, scientific data to answer any of the questions. Neither do you.

And better than you, I don't use vulgar language. I just make objective and unemotional analysis to make my points.

Tweety
12-02-09, 09:33
I don't need any of your mumbo jumbo to deduce that it is hazardous to live at the stellar. All I need is common sense. Can you deny:

(1) the closer you live near a source of pollution, the unhealthier the air?
(2) the closer you live near a source of noise, the noiser the environment
(3) the more vehicles there are at a certain location, the more polluted the area is
(4) In a large or small area, there will be spots with better air and spots with worse air
(5) In a small project like the stellar, the gap between any two blocks will small and therefore there is a loss of privacy.
(6) For a small project like the stellar, the maintenance fee is going to be high.
(7) For a small project like the stellar, there is no room for kids to roam.
(8) With a flyer yet to be built nearby, the upside potential is limited for teh stellar.

I don't need official, scientific data to answer any of the questions. Neither do you.

And better than you, I don't use vulgar language. I just make objective and unemotional analysis to make my points.


If you think Stellar is polluted, please forget about staying in West Coast area especially when you are not better off with the AYE right next to you. You meant to say that there are no noise or air pollution there??? I believe you ought to migrate out of Singapore, get out of the city and stay in the mountain instead.

It remains to be seen whether the flyer will be built eventually and even if it does, it won't make any difference unless you are standing next to the flyer.

There are only 162 units in Stellar, we don't need that much land space as compared to a 338 units condo so you don't have to keep stressing that it is small.

Dun make me fell of my chair by claiming your comments are objective..Do remember that other visitors to this website aren't as naive as you do.

stalingrad
12-02-09, 11:04
If you think Stellar is polluted, please forget about staying in West Coast area especially when you are not better off with the AYE right next to you. You meant to say that there are no noise or air pollution there??? I believe you ought to migrate out of Singapore, get out of the city and stay in the mountain instead.

It remains to be seen whether the flyer will be built eventually and even if it does, it won't make any difference unless you are standing next to the flyer.

There are only 162 units in Stellar, we don't need that much land space as compared to a 338 units condo so you don't have to keep stressing that it is small.

Dun make me fell of my chair by claiming your comments are objective..Do remember that other visitors to this website aren't as naive as you do.

Don't generalize, Mr. Tweety. Other condos are in a much better locations that the stellar in terms of air quality and noise levels. the parc, botannia, varsity park, clementiwoods are much cleaner and less noisy than your little mouse hole.

I am not against the stellar, nor am I against the west coast area. I am just making objective comments. whether you like it or not, don't attribute to my comments to commerical motives.

Tweety
12-02-09, 12:41
Don't generalize, Mr. Tweety. Other condos are in a much better locations that the stellar in terms of air quality and noise levels. the parc, botannia, varsity park, clementiwoods are much cleaner and less noisy than your little mouse hole.

I am not against the stellar, nor am I against the west coast area. I am just making objective comments. whether you like it or not, don't attribute to my comments to commerical motives.

Go on...Go on and say whatever you want about Stellar...You can call it a mouse hole or whatever you like but it won't change the fact that it is priced higher than your condo...I am sorry if you still feel sore that you can't meet your commercial objective. Everyone can tell that you have a hidden agenda....Your nonsense about air quality and noise level is absurd especially when you mentioned about parc, botannia or varsity park.... Its time you pack your bags and live in the mountain... You just can't accept hard facts and live in the fantasy world of yours..

secretflame
13-02-09, 03:59
(1) the closer you live near a source of pollution, the unhealthier the air?
(2) the closer you live near a source of noise, the noiser the environment
(3) the more vehicles there are at a certain location, the more polluted the area is
(4) In a large or small area, there will be spots with better air and spots with worse air

I agree to the above, ceteris paribus.

(5) In a small project like the stellar, the gap between any two blocks will small and therefore there is a loss of privacy.
Not really.

6) For a small project like the stellar, the maintenance fee is going to be high.
Yes, relatively compared. What you pay is what you get.

(7) For a small project like the stellar, there is no room for kids to roam.
Nope, not true. And I do know that your 'no room' means little room.

(8) With a flyer yet to be built nearby, the upside potential is limited for teh stellar.
I'd like you to clarify the question further first. Explain clearly your own understanding of "the upside potential is limited", what is the base psf you use as a reference when considering any upside? I shall reply based on your definition.


I'm not finished with replying this post; in fact, some areas are completely unaddressed. I'll do that in my next post.

I've answered all your questions, except for one which I requested clarification. Would you commit yourself to answering all my questions in my next post too? In other words, commit that you won't skim them over or duck, but offer proper replies point by point.

Can we also have your objective analysis on the replies above?
What conclusions are you drawing?

Let's see what your reply is. Please think carefully.

proud owner
13-02-09, 09:25
(1) the closer you live near a source of pollution, the unhealthier the air?
(2) the closer you live near a source of noise, the noiser the environment
(3) the more vehicles there are at a certain location, the more polluted the area is
(4) In a large or small area, there will be spots with better air and spots with worse air

I agree to the above, ceteris paribus.

(5) In a small project like the stellar, the gap between any two blocks will small and therefore there is a loss of privacy.
Not really.

6) For a small project like the stellar, the maintenance fee is going to be high.
Yes, relatively compared. What you pay is what you get.

(7) For a small project like the stellar, there is no room for kids to roam.
Nope, not true. And I do know that your 'no room' means little room.

(8) With a flyer yet to be built nearby, the upside potential is limited for teh stellar.
I'd like you to clarify the question further first. Explain clearly your own understanding of "the upside potential is limited", what is the base psf you use as a reference when considering any upside? I shall reply based on your definition.


I'm not finished with replying this post; in fact, some areas are completely unaddressed. I'll do that in my next post.

I've answered all your questions, except for one which I requested clarification. Would you commit yourself to answering all my questions in my next post too? In other words, commit that you won't skim them over or duck, but offer proper replies point by point.

Can we also have your objective analysis on the replies above?
What conclusions are you drawing?

Let's see what your reply is. Please think carefully.



aiyo guys

lets not continue this ...

we are here to gain info, and help potential buyers with info they need and info we have ...

i can only say that Stellar is NOT noisy as i have been in there ..a friend just moved in ..

i like its location better cos i can walk to 7-11, prata, nasi lemak, wine shop , bicycle shop .. and i can get to town or CBD very easily ... compared to projects like VP, CW, Carabelle, Botannia or Infiniti ...

most impt of all ..its FREEHOLD ...

my second choice will be Parc ...

secretflame
13-02-09, 10:12
aiyo guys

lets not continue this ...

we are here to gain info, and help potential buyers with info they need and info we have ...


Yeah agreed, I'm also quite tired. Just that I think we should help in the right way, and not grossly misinform repeatedly.

Tweety
13-02-09, 10:15
Yeah agreed, I'm also quite tired. Just that I think we should help in the right way, and not grossly misinform repeatedly.

I second that...Tired too but there are some irresponsible people out there just enjoy receiving attention and argue for the sake of arguing.

secretflame
13-02-09, 11:56
i was there last saturday ...friend has a penthouse .. we had bbq at the pit at the garden side ..was nice , quiet and spacious ...

then we proceeded to the PH ...was breezy and not so noisy ...agree that the pool made most of the noise ... then we went to the roof terrace ..my goodness it was so breezy and nice and cool and a good view of the night sky with stars and big bright moon ...(13th lunar calendar .. 15th brightest)


I'm curious about the view up there...what's it like? Is the sea view blocked by the port buildings? How about the view in other directions?

W0520
16-03-09, 10:44
May I know how much is maintenance fee per month in The Stellar?

proud owner
16-03-09, 10:47
I'm curious about the view up there...what's it like? Is the sea view blocked by the port buildings? How about the view in other directions?

well theres no sea view kana blocked by the port ...
but basically you theres no high rise around it ...

what i was nicely surprised was the full night sky ... and though its only 5-6 storey .. its really breezy ...

i felt good up there ...

proud owner
16-03-09, 10:49
May I know how much is maintenance fee per month in The Stellar?

i am not sure how its calculated

but the 3 bedders are paying some $350 a mth while the 4 bedders (PH) paying $500

moneymatters
16-03-09, 13:27
Do you even know what good location is? 30 years old 99yr condos like Horizon Tower and Grangeford can retain their value well after so long, even netting high gains when en bloc. That is because their locations are really prime, in the heart of Singapore.

Can you say the same for 99 yr LH condo in West Coast or East Coast or HDB suburb? Do you know that even 99 yr LH sites in Holland or Bukit Timah are also not considered good enough - their values drop over time.

I agree that 99 yr or FH is not important for those located in super prime areas. But if your area is so-so only, then you can forget it.

Your argument of "only owning space in the air" is incorrect when it comes to Singapore and other mega urban centres like Tokyo, London and Manhattan. In land scarce Singapore there is such a thing called plot ratio, which ensures that even space in the air is put to good use. If a building on a well-located plot of land has not maximised its plot ratio, you can be sure there will be many interested developers looking at it. And because plot ratio limits the gross floor area (built-up area) in the ratio to the land size, the more desirable the location, the more developers will pay for your "space in the air". Therein lies the value.

As for some people's argument that they "do not live so long, so 99 yrs is enough", I feel they are totally missing the point. 99 yr LH at any point in time is a depreciating asset. So even if you do not live long enough and pass it down to your children, your children may be holding onto a low value white elephant that is only good for living in and renting out, they can't sell it unless it is for a dime, and banks will certainly not finance any buyer who wants to buy a unit there, unless they are buying it en-bloc 100% of the units.

Sorry, I beg to differ. From what I have noticed of Singapore 99 LH properties inclusive of HDB, location is still the key. Just look at old 30+ years flats in Ghim Moh, Clementi, Tiong Bahru. They have not only retained its value but gone up considerably in the last few years despite aging. I am convinced that location and proximity to amenities and MRT station is still the key to value retention in our small city state. It is a known fact that 99LH offers better rental yield than FH properties across the board.

proud owner
25-03-09, 11:24
heard from my friend, thru an agent ..that almost all the ground floor units, with private pool ... are rented out .. at pretty decent price ...

proud owner
12-04-09, 02:02
heard from my friend, thru an agent ..that almost all the ground floor units, with private pool ... are rented out .. at pretty decent price ...

was at stellar again to visit my friend and use the pool..

am surprised that there are still alot of 'buyer viewers' ...

you hear so much about suppressed market ..but still there are buyers ... singaporean really rich .. then again ..rather they buy freedhold then 99 yr VP

kal
12-04-09, 09:36
i am not sure how its calculated

but the 3 bedders are paying some $350 a mth while the 4 bedders (PH) paying $500

Tats normal, or u mean u rather the 4bedder pay lesser than the 3bedder??:doh:

franzmark
12-04-09, 17:00
:tsk-tsk: 999yr and freehold always the best bet when talking bout LONG TERM property investment. the rising hdb prices prices are due to the general cycle, not because of a true appreciation of the property price.


Sorry, I beg to differ. From what I have noticed of Singapore 99 LH properties inclusive of HDB, location is still the key. Just look at old 30+ years flats in Ghim Moh, Clementi, Tiong Bahru. They have not only retained its value but gone up considerably in the last few years despite aging. I am convinced that location and proximity to amenities and MRT station is still the key to value retention in our small city state. It is a known fact that 99LH offers better rental yield than FH properties across the board.

ST88
12-04-09, 22:03
A lot of viewing but very few transactions. Thats the same in most developments now. It does show that there are a lot of people interested in buying though.

I must say the owners are holding on very well so far. If they can hold on for another 6 months, I think these interested people will start investing and the markets will recover somewhat.

stalingrad
13-04-09, 10:25
A lot of viewing but very few transactions. Thats the same in most developments now. It does show that there are a lot of people interested in buying though.

I must say the owners are holding on very well so far. If they can hold on for another 6 months, I think these interested people will start investing and the markets will recover somewhat.

Agreed. Even today, six months after TOP, there are 9 units of the stellar for sale and 18 units for rent on Propertyguru.com.sg. a lot of foot traffic, that is what it is. Very few transactions. the owners have to lower their prices and suffer losses to get buyers to sign on the dotted lines.

I wouldn't consider this condo unless the prices drop below $500psf. Just not comforable being surrounded by so much traffic and noise.

proud owner
13-04-09, 23:01
Agreed. Even today, six months after TOP, there are 9 units of the stellar for sale and 18 units for rent on Propertyguru.com.sg. a lot of foot traffic, that is what it is. Very few transactions. the owners have to lower their prices and suffer losses to get buyers to sign on the dotted lines.

I wouldn't consider this condo unless the prices drop below $500psf. Just not comforable being surrounded by so much traffic and noise.

i dont think its noisy leh .. the one thats really noisy will be Spectrum ..

thomastanwk
19-04-09, 17:25
I'm looking for a 3 bedder unit. Any sellers? Looking to buy at $620 - $650psf.... :)

proud owner
02-05-09, 23:56
I'm looking for a 3 bedder unit. Any sellers? Looking to buy at $620 - $650psf.... :)

latest caveat 788 psf !!! i think it is a 3 bedder

proud owner
14-05-09, 10:52
latest caveat 788 psf !!! i think it is a 3 bedder

again, latest caveat for stellar 795 psf

proud owner
17-05-09, 00:27
again, latest caveat for stellar 795 psf

can anyone explain why Stellar psf is the highest among the other FH's like carabelle, Infiniti, Botannia ?

PropertiesHunter
17-05-09, 09:35
Stellar is locate in nearer to city south is a different price effect compare to West coast park condos. So does is different with the PPR development nearer to PPHill nearer to Westend & MRT west coast at S$1000psf for the new development launching this month just 1 min walk to MRT.

proud owner
18-05-09, 00:19
Stellar is locate in nearer to city south is a different price effect compare to West coast park condos. So does is different with the PPR development nearer to PPHill nearer to Westend & MRT west coast at S$1000psf for the new development launching this month just 1 min walk to MRT.

that means Peak@Balmeg, and the other FEO project ..will be 1000 psf ??

proud owner
18-05-09, 00:22
that means Peak@Balmeg, and the other FEO project ..will be 1000 psf ??

is there such a thing as a circus tent effect ??

taking Balmeg at 1000 psf as the highest point of the tent ,,spreading outward in a circle ..would the surrounding condos also 'gain' in value ?

stalingrad
18-05-09, 09:46
that means Peak@Balmeg, and the other FEO project ..will be 1000 psf ??

But no one is buying the Peak@Balmeg. It was launched about six months ago, and it is dying a slow death. But the price to 700psf, then we will buy.

As for the Stellar, no, it is selling at hot cake. there are a few transactions here and there, but basically interest in this condo is very low. for obvious reasons. who need the traffic noise and pollution that may kill your sons and daughters before they grow up?

proud owner
18-05-09, 10:00
But no one is buying the Peak@Balmeg. It was launched about six months ago, and it is dying a slow death. But the price to 700psf, then we will buy.

As for the Stellar, no, it is selling at hot cake. there are a few transactions here and there, but basically interest in this condo is very low. for obvious reasons. who need the traffic noise and pollution that may kill your sons and daughters before they grow up?

i dont understand .. you said interest is low ..yet selling like hot cake ?

compared to carabelle and botannia .. stellar has fewer trades done ..

stalingrad
18-05-09, 10:04
i dont understand .. you said interest is low ..yet selling like hot cake ?

compared to carabelle and botannia .. stellar has fewer trades done ..

Not selling like a hot cake. Very few transactions.

proud owner
18-05-09, 10:09
Not selling like a hot cake. Very few transactions.

yes i realise there are very few transactions ...

but the latest 2 registered psf 788 and 795 ... much higher than carabaelle and botannia ... and i wonder why ?

stalingrad
18-05-09, 10:18
yes i realise there are very few transactions ...

but the latest 2 registered psf 788 and 795 ... much higher than carabaelle and botannia ... and i wonder why ?
Very simple. Condos are still selling with the launch prices as the benchmarks. Back in early 2007, the stellar was sold by the developer at 700-750 psf. Sim Lian was selling carabelle at about 600psf, and CDL Botannia at 700psf.

the owners of the stellar are using the price they paid as the benchmark when they sell their units. but the potential buyers are unwilling to pay what they consider as exorbitant prices. That explains the low volume of transactions.

When the owners of the stellar capitulate, we will see the prices drop to 500-600psf level in two years.

proud owner
18-05-09, 10:23
Very simple. Condos are still selling with the launch prices as the benchmarks. Back in early 2007, the stellar was sold by the developer at 700-750 psf. Sim Lian was selling carabelle at about 600psf, and CDL Botannia at 700psf.

the owners of the stellar are using the price they paid as the benchmark when they sell their units. but the potential buyers are unwilling to pay what they consider as exorbitant prices. That explains the low volume of transactions.

When the owners of the stellar capitulate, we will see the prices drop to 500-600psf level in two years.

i guess its part to do with timing ... i recall Varsity park 99 yr resale went thru at 800-ish psf ...thats really exorbitant ... and even a PH in clementiwoods ..also went thru close to that ...

stalingrad
18-05-09, 10:27
i guess its part to do with timing ... i recall Varsity park 99 yr resale went thru at 800-ish psf ...thats really exorbitant ... and even a PH in clementiwoods ..also went thru close to that ...
Some buyers of VP and the stellar really don't have a sense of value. if you can buy a condo at D9 or D10 for less than 900psf, why would you pay 800psf for the stellar or VP. It is hard to understand these people. some people are either too rich to worry about value for their money or too ignorant and buy into whatever the agents tell them.

a lot of condos brand new like Sixth Ave residences can be had for 900psf in D9 and 10.

proud owner
18-05-09, 10:32
Some buyers of VP and the stellar really don't have a sense of value. if you can buy a condo at D9 or D10 for less than 900psf, why would you pay 800psf for the stellar or VP. It is hard to understand these people. some people are either too rich to worry about value for their money or too ignorant and buy into whatever the agents tell them.

a lot of condos brand new like Sixth Ave residences can be had for 900psf in D9 and 10.

nope ..been looking for myself and for a friend 6th ave res ... NO seller at 900 psf ...although caveat registered 2 transactions ...sellers now only above 1000 psf ...


back to stellar and VP .. between the 2 isnt it more crazy for VP and clementiwoods to have traded at 800 psf ??

stalingrad
18-05-09, 10:37
nope ..been looking for myself and for a friend 6th ave res ... NO seller at 900 psf ...although caveat registered 2 transactions ...sellers now only above 1000 psf ...


back to stellar and VP .. between the 2 isnt it more crazy for VP and clementiwoods to have traded at 800 psf ??

Not sure about CW, but it is definitely crazy for VP to transact at 800psf. We drove by the other day, my wife said this place looks like a low rise -HDB estate. One year after TOP, it has already acquired a tired and dirty look. Can't help wondering why. Perhaps the pollution from passing rigs and semi-trailers is doing real damage to the paint. the condo looks like a 10 year old condo.

proud owner
18-05-09, 17:06
[quote=stalingrad]Not sure about CW, but it is definitely crazy for VP to transact at 800psf. We drove by the other day, my wife said this place looks like a low rise -HDB estate. One year after TOP, it has already acquired a tired and dirty look. Can't help wondering why. Perhaps the pollution from passing rigs and semi-trailers is doing real damage to the paint. the condo looks like a 10 year old condo.[/quot

the color of the roof tile does give it a 'old' look ...

proud owner
18-05-09, 17:09
the color of the roof tiles ...makes it look old ...

proud owner
18-05-09, 17:11
the color of the roof tiles ...makes it look old ...

and i am referring to Varsity park ...

apple3
19-05-09, 03:12
Some buyers of VP and the stellar really don't have a sense of value. if you can buy a condo at D9 or D10 for less than 900psf, why would you pay 800psf for the stellar or VP. It is hard to understand these people. some people are either too rich to worry about value for their money or too ignorant and buy into whatever the agents tell them.

a lot of condos brand new like Sixth Ave residences can be had for 900psf in D9 and 10.

.. Chaser.
Like Bubble Tea, 1st mover make $ in sunrise. Chaser want, so pay for inflated franchise from 1st mover and bubble heading toward sunset and so chaser eventually bail out the business at a loss.

1st mover = +2, chaser = -2. (as always, balance up to zero)

.. Property.
Launch below 600psf. 1st mover go in then flipper or "bull"dozer buy over.
The rest the same as bubble tea, only the sunset (TOP) will tell the price up or down. So currently;

1st mover = +1, chaser = 0

In anycase, IMHO, both VP & CW should not worth more than 606psf @ medium in the 1st price.

proud owner
19-05-09, 10:00
.. Chaser.
Like Bubble Tea, 1st mover make $ in sunrise. Chaser want, so pay for inflated franchise from 1st mover and bubble heading toward sunset and so chaser eventually bail out the business at a loss.

1st mover = +2, chaser = -2. (as always, balance up to zero)

.. Property.
Launch below 600psf. 1st mover go in then flipper or "bull"dozer buy over.
The rest the same as bubble tea, only the sunset (TOP) will tell the price up or down. So currently;

1st mover = +1, chaser = 0

In anycase, IMHO, both VP & CW should not worth more than 606psf @ medium in the 1st price.

i can only said that the biggest gainers are the first batch of VP buyers who have sold it ...

and good luck to those who paid 700-800 psf for VP in 2007/8 ...

pweesng
29-05-09, 09:06
First of all, the below are my 2 cents worth.

I have a penthouse in VP and a 3bedroom in Stellar. both I bought during the launch.

Quality
The build quality of VP is much better than Stellar, despite the fact that they are both from the same contractor. This leads me to believe that it is not just the contractor that makes a difference, the developer as well.

When i saw the Showroom in VP, I like it. When I saw the showroom in Stellar, I liked it too. And given the price at the launch, I felt that the price differential between the leasehold and the freehold was too close, and was what it spur to to make the second purchase.

However, I have to say the end result was disappointing for Stellar.

Layout
Well, although there are more units at VP, the distances between the blocks are not that close until it is uncomfortable. Some blocks in Stellar is just too close to each other. But this is not a big factor for me, as it is not something that a nice piece of curtain couldn't fix.

Site plans
This is the biggest problem I face. If you look carefully, especially around 3pm in the afternoon, almost all the units in VP will have afternoon sun. And it is very hot. Especially if you have a penthouse unit. There is only 1 bedroom in my unit that is not affected by evening sun. Some people may like it, as the sun leaves the apartment bright and cheery. But I prefer an unit that is not expose to afternoon sun (personal preference). However, the site layout is such, that all the corner units are at the end of at least 1 wind tunnel (mine has 2 wind tunnels). If you grab these units, they are very windy. It helps a lot in the afternoon. The wind was so strong that sometimes i fear my umbrella get blown downstairs. In the evening, we have dinner in the balcony.

Stellar although very close to each other's block, does not have much of the afternoon sun problem. Perhaps it is because of the large water body in the center that helps cool the air around it, i don't know. except for that block that faces VP, the rest of the block are ok. Although a word of caution, not much wind moves around that development.

Rental
Both my units are rented out.

Stellar 1300+ sqft for slightly over $4k per month. Initially it was rented out for $5.5k during the TOP time. Tenant kindly request that we consider reducing the rental, given the economic downturn. I negotiated that I am wiling to reduce $1.2k from the rental if they takes care of the maintenance as well as any possible repairs below $500, and they accepted. I think i got a pretty good deal, given that everything is new, they got a fair deal.

Penthouse in VP is rented out for $6k+. In terms of yield, this one works out better. However, it has been giving me some problem, such as a clog pipe filled with soil in the balcony. The aircon not working. Yes, the apartment is still under warranty, it is just very troublesome that i have to take time off work to settle these problem.

My own gut feel.

If i have to move into either of these to stay (i currently stay in a 4 room HDB flat not too far from both development), i would prefer to stay in VP. I felt that the neighbours in VP are friendlier. And there are quite a few kids in the develpment that my kids could mix around with. I don't stay in VP, but almost every weekend, I bring my kids there to have pinic with the neighbours at the pool.

Stellar, perhaps of the demographic, i don't sense that sort of friendliness from the neighbour. Given that neighbours are not friendly, and you are so close to each other, it feels funny.

Of couse, i have not stayed in both for more than a month before, so this is really just how i feel. Relationship with neighbours takes time to cultivate. I obviously had more time to do that with VP.

If you have any questions regarding the 2 development that you need info from my, i would be most glad to help. I am not an agent, and neither am I looking to sell my units.

One last thing, if you think the traffic and air around there is bad, my suggestion is to move to Lim Chu Kang. It takes me about 15 minutes at most to get to work (at Raffles Place) from there everyday. And i wash my car about once every 2 months. my kids don't have asthma or any funny diseases.... my plants are growing so well, that i am considering getting rid of them as it is taking too much time to trim them each week...

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PropertiesHunter
14-06-09, 08:43
I believe nearer to West coast MRT or the front of Pasir Panjang Rd (nearer to Vivo and IR)have better yield. By fragrance Group . 3 mins to MRT.

A new development at that location calling for 1000psf. Already create a queue before launch. Developer delaying the launch due to good market response.

Property Cheoong ahhh

ps16
14-06-09, 21:10
Penthouse in VP is rented out for $6k+. In terms of yield, this one works out better.

Hi, will like to seek your advice on rental potential at VP and development around that area (West Coast/Pasir Panjang). I am not familar with the targeted tenants there but it seems that there are a a lot of development there that it might be difficult to get tenant.

1. Who are the targeted tenant?
2. Family or singles grouping together to rent a unit?
3. Do you still see good demand for that area or VP?

Thanks

kavlar
28-06-09, 16:10
Any Stellar owners wanting to sell 2 or 3BR? Pls PM me.

I am a buyer looking around for units in D05

mantrix
31-12-09, 09:47
I'm keen to look at a ground floor unit with private pool in the PES - however I don't think there is anyone selling...even if there is, would anyone here be able to give an indication of the price? Saw the ads, some are hitting past 900psf though ground units are far and few in between...:mad:

Cactus72
31-12-09, 12:58
I'm keen to look at a ground floor unit with private pool in the PES - however I don't think there is anyone selling...even if there is, would anyone here be able to give an indication of the price? Saw the ads, some are hitting past 900psf though ground units are far and few in between...:mad:

Be warned of ground floor unit...see link below:

http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=8793

stalingrad
31-12-09, 13:36
I'm keen to look at a ground floor unit with private pool in the PES - however I don't think there is anyone selling...even if there is, would anyone here be able to give an indication of the price? Saw the ads, some are hitting past 900psf though ground units are far and few in between...:mad:

Why do you need a hole in the ground that you called a privte pool? you don't have a bathtub? Have you seen one of them at the Stellar. It's practically the same size as a bathtub. Besides, what if someone throw something poisonous into your "pool" from an upper floor?

mantrix
31-12-09, 17:22
Why do you need a hole in the ground that you called a privte pool? you don't have a bathtub? Have you seen one of them at the Stellar. It's practically the same size as a bathtub. Besides, what if someone throw something poisonous into your "pool" from an upper floor?

thanks for your 'well wishes' guys - i guess. This being a low storeyed unit I don't think we'll get much of the HDB mentality there.

The private pool is definitely bigger than a bathtub and i was thinking to use it for my dogs. Also it opens to a much larger pool - doesn't get any better than that. I wish there were other developments like this because Stellar's location isn't exactly ideal and the price is through the roof...:banghead:

stalingrad
31-12-09, 20:01
thanks for your 'well wishes' guys - i guess. This being a low storeyed unit I don't think we'll get much of the HDB mentality there.

The private pool is definitely bigger than a bathtub and i was thinking to use it for my dogs. Also it opens to a much larger pool - doesn't get any better than that. I wish there were other developments like this because Stellar's location isn't exactly ideal and the price is through the roof...:banghead:

yes, only dogs will find the "private pool" appealing. Humans definitely will not.

Teana
31-12-09, 20:11
yes, only dogs will find the "private pool" appealing. Humans definitely will not.
it takes another dog like stalingrad to understand dog's needs

proud owner
31-12-09, 21:10
thanks for your 'well wishes' guys - i guess. This being a low storeyed unit I don't think we'll get much of the HDB mentality there.

The private pool is definitely bigger than a bathtub and i was thinking to use it for my dogs. Also it opens to a much larger pool - doesn't get any better than that. I wish there were other developments like this because Stellar's location isn't exactly ideal and the price is through the roof...:banghead:

i dont think you are allowed to use it for your dog ..

as the water are channelled and cleaned in the same system as the main pool ...

if the management is aware of any owner doing that .. i am sure they will put a stop to it ..

stalingrad
01-01-10, 10:08
i dont think you are allowed to use it for your dog ..

as the water are channelled and cleaned in the same system as the main pool ...

if the management is aware of any owner doing that .. i am sure they will put a stop to it ..

I am sure you are right. But don't you find it funny that this potential owner finds those private "pools' useful only as a bathtub for his chiwawas? Let's get realistic rather than emotional about this, the "pool" is so small, about 50 to 60 square feet in area, that it is a burden on the owner rather than a pleasure. what can you do with it? you can't swim in it. One kick of your legs will smash you head on the wall on the other side. can you take a bath in it? I am sure you wouldn't want to bath with chlorinated water. wash your dog? the management will be against it. so what do you do with it?

xebay11
01-01-10, 10:33
I am sure you are right. But don't you find it funny that this potential owner finds those private "pools' useful only as a bathtub for his chiwawas? Let's get realistic rather than emotional about this, the "pool" is so small, about 50 to 60 square feet in area, that it is a burden on the owner rather than a pleasure. what can you do with it? you can't swim in it. One kick of your legs will smash you head on the wall on the other side. can you take a bath in it? I am sure you wouldn't want to bath with chlorinated water. wash your dog? the management will be against it. so what do you do with it?

Your English is atrocious, you can't spell Chihuahau, don't know how to use the word bath and bathe, as in "I am sure you wouldn't want to bath(e) with chlorinated water".

The owner of the groundfloor unit at my development uses his private pool as a perfect chill out spot, sitting in it with his girl in arm with a can of chilled beer, either reading or enjoying the setting sun.:cheers1:

proud owner
01-01-10, 14:38
Your English is atrocious, you can't spell Chihuahau, don't know how to use the word bath and bathe, as in "I am sure you wouldn't want to bath(e) with chlorinated water".

The owner of the groundfloor unit at my development uses his private pool as a perfect chill out spot, sitting in it with his girl in arm with a can of chilled beer, either reading or enjoying the setting sun.:cheers1:



hhhmmm dont mean to make enemies ... xebay11

he might have spelt chihuahua wrongly ... but he is not wrong to use BATH instead of BATHE ...

in old english .. it is not wrong to say ' to bath' , just that it is more common tosay ' to bathe' ....

xebay11
01-01-10, 15:38
hhhmmm dont mean to make enemies ... xebay11

he might have spelt chihuahua wrongly ... but he is not wrong to use BATH instead of BATHE ...

in old english .. it is not wrong to say ' to bath' , just that it is more common tosay ' to bathe' ....

Yes agree, he is not wrong if he were living in 1610.

In that case Sir William Stanlingrad should have written "I am sure thou wouldst not want to bath in chlorinated water". LOL

mantrix
01-01-10, 19:59
Yes agree, he is not wrong if he were living in 1610.

In that case Sir William Stanlingrad should have written "I am sure thou wouldst not want to bath in chlorinated water". LOL

Xebay how much would a ground floor unit with private pool cost roughly? Would you know?;)

proud owner
02-01-10, 12:11
Xebay how much would a ground floor unit with private pool cost roughly? Would you know?;)

varsity park 99 yr already traded 790 psf for a 2200-ish psf ... meaning smaller unit say 1400 ish would be 830 psf roughly

stellar being FH ..( some will argue VP better than stellar) should be close to 900 psf ...

considering distance to city .. stellar is much nearer and more accessible than 100 Trees, carabelle, botannia .. Parc ... and those already seen 1000 psf

Regulators
02-01-10, 15:58
there is a budget hotel owned by fragrance just opp stellar so not sure if those streetwalkers will start prowling around there. Also not many amenities around apart frm nasi lemak catered mre to NUS stdnts

stalingrad
03-01-10, 08:10
It doesn't help that a huge flyover is being built at the junction of clementi road and west coast highway. I see a lot of building materials being piled up at the location and lots of heavy machinery brought in. noise is already horible and will get worse, not to mention pollution from increased traffic flow at that junction.

I am kind of sorry for the residents. one thing after another.

proud owner
03-01-10, 09:49
It doesn't help that a huge flyover is being built at the junction of clementi road and west coast highway. I see a lot of building materials being piled up at the location and lots of heavy machinery brought in. noise is already horible and will get worse, not to mention pollution from increased traffic flow at that junction.

I am kind of sorry for the residents. one thing after another.

oh wow ...

you think Spectrum ..will be worse hit ?

xebay11
03-01-10, 10:35
oh wow ...

you think Spectrum ..will be worse hit ?

Spectrum will be worst hit, Stellar is still quite some distance, if Stellar is considered near the new flyover, that would mean the Carabelle is also considered near the AYE.

proud owner
03-01-10, 12:05
Spectrum will be worst hit, Stellar is still quite some distance, if Stellar is considered near the new flyover, that would mean the Carabelle is also considered near the AYE.

i gathered from earlier posts .. the flyover will cut over and across west coast highway .. and land on clementi road ..

any idea where it will land ?

unregistered881
03-01-10, 19:52
i gathered from earlier posts .. the flyover will cut over and across west coast highway .. and land on clementi road ..

any idea where it will land ?

Refer: http://app.lta.gov.sg/announce_content.asp?start=492

There is also a map of the flyover at the junction of West Coast Highway and Clementi Road.

proud owner
04-01-10, 00:41
Refer: http://app.lta.gov.sg/announce_content.asp?start=492

There is also a map of the flyover at the junction of West Coast Highway and Clementi Road.
from the map .. the flyover will be ALONG westcoast highway ..and not onto clementi road .. so Stellar is safe .. Spectrum will be bad ... so will Westmont ...

stalingrad
04-01-10, 08:58
from the map .. the flyover will be ALONG westcoast highway ..and not onto clementi road .. so Stellar is safe .. Spectrum will be bad ... so will Westmont ...

so surprised that you knew where westmont is. We almost bought one unit there. lucky we didn't. we almost signed on the dotted line. phew!!!!!

at that time, we would've paid 690 psf. wondered how much the owners can fetch now. I wouldn't buy it now, knowing the noise and pollution associated with the flyover and highway, even for $400 psf.

kumkeet
04-01-10, 13:51
Should be good for residents in that area. Eases the traffic at that junction. Also, the pedestrian overhead bridge would mean can safely walk across to West Coast Park. Good mah.

etbj
04-01-10, 23:10
This junction is a high accident prone area.

I ever saw a container truck over turned while trying to negotiate a right turn from the harhour towards Har Paw Villa direction.:scared-4:

The over turned truck slided and collided with a stationary car at the far side while waiting for his turn to move off.:scared-3:

With this construction of flyover should ease the traffic... hopefully.

Don't ever drive near to those container trucks.....:tsk-tsk:

Regulators
04-01-10, 23:16
"99 bends" nearby is even worse. I always try to avoid that road coz you never know when an oncoming car will crash headlong into yours.:scared-3:



This junction is a high accident prone area.

I ever saw a container truck over turned while trying to negotiate a right turn from the harhour towards Har Paw Villa direction.:scared-4:

The over turned truck slided and collided with a stationary car at the far side while waiting for his turn to move off.:scared-3:

With this construction of flyover should ease the traffic... hopefully.

Don't ever drive near to those container trucks.....:tsk-tsk:

proud owner
04-01-10, 23:46
so surprised that you knew where westmont is. We almost bought one unit there. lucky we didn't. we almost signed on the dotted line. phew!!!!!

at that time, we would've paid 690 psf. wondered how much the owners can fetch now. I wouldn't buy it now, knowing the noise and pollution associated with the flyover and highway, even for $400 psf.


ahhah i used to have a unit at Stellar .. and saw Westmont in its construction phase ..

anyway the fly over will have its pros and cons ...

i sold my unit to a NUS lecturer .. and he sometimes needs to rush to town to give speeches etc .. and he felt the westcoast highway was perfect for him .. than where he used to live ( Hillview) ...

but the unit in stellar that i had before ..was inner side .. was pretty quiet i must say ... cant comment on dust level though .. cos i didnt even live there .. just spent a couple of nights there .. barbequing .. and then sold it ...

proud owner
04-01-10, 23:48
"99 bends" nearby is even worse. I always try to avoid that road coz you never know when an oncoming car will crash headlong into yours.:scared-3:

i like driving along the 99 bends .. from NUH down to duck rice stretch ..

yes there are many inconsiderate drivings there .. and at night ..alot of speedster testing their skills .. but i havent encountered many ..

jonleelk
05-01-10, 08:06
99 bends? I thought the official name is "9 turns 13 bends"?

proud owner
05-01-10, 09:11
99 bends? I thought the official name is "9 turns 13 bends"?


its actually 9+19 ... speak in cantonese becomes 99 ..
9 bends + 19 turns

jonleelk
05-01-10, 09:51
its actually 9+19 ... speak in cantonese becomes 99 ..
9 bends + 19 turns

ah...my bends and turns tombalek. :ashamed1:

stalingrad
05-01-10, 13:41
ahhah i used to have a unit at Stellar .. and saw Westmont in its construction phase ..

anyway the fly over will have its pros and cons ...

i sold my unit to a NUS lecturer .. and he sometimes needs to rush to town to give speeches etc .. and he felt the westcoast highway was perfect for him .. than where he used to live ( Hillview) ...

but the unit in stellar that i had before ..was inner side .. was pretty quiet i must say ... cant comment on dust level though .. cos i didnt even live there .. just spent a couple of nights there .. barbequing .. and then sold it ...

I think the flyover signals several things that are far more negative than the flyover itself:

(1) the port in not moving anytime soon, contrary to speculations here and elsewhere.

(2) The port is actually expanding, with more and more berths to be added.

(3) Traffic along west coast highway is on the way up, and the noise...

(4) traffic along clementi road is on the way up too, and the noise and pollution along with it.

xebay11
05-01-10, 13:48
I think the flyover signals several things that are far more negative than the flyover itself:

(1) the port in not moving anytime soon, contrary to speculations here and elsewhere.

(2) The port is actually expanding, with more and more berths to be added.

(3) Traffic along west coast highway is on the way up, and the noise...

(4) traffic along clementi road is on the way up too, and the noise and pollution along with it.

Too true, sounds like a good time for you to move East my friend :D

mantrix
05-01-10, 21:33
Will the noise pollution really be that bad? Stalin what about your take on Varsity Park? Sama sama?

xebay11
06-01-10, 05:30
Will the noise pollution really be that bad? Stalin what about your take on Varsity Park? Sama sama?

Actually the noise pollution is not bad at all at The Stellar as Proud Owner has said, it is even quieter at Varsity Park, Stalin is just talking down this project, or any other project in the West Coast area EXCEPT The Carabelle, which he lives in Go figger..

kumkeet
06-01-10, 09:39
How about the construction of the covered pedestrian bridge from the Jap high school to the park?

secretflame
09-02-10, 02:50
Lol......avoid Stalingrad's views at all costs. He talks nonsense and he even has proofs for it.:D

Reporter
01-05-10, 00:27
Reporter..i know its not your job to provide this info.. but i just found out that in D5 somtime in mar - apr The Stellar registered a psf of above 1000 psf, before botannia n carabelle
.
strangely.. there was also a caveat of one thats below 700 psf ..much lower than any others in that area
This is the nëw hïgh of $1,108 psf you are referring to.


The Stellar
Address .............................. psf .............. Area ......... Price ......... Contract Date
14 West Coast Road #02-15 .... $1,108 psf .... 614 sqft .... $680,000 .... 29 Mar 10



This is the low psf you are referring to.


The Stellar
Address ............................ psf ............ Area ........... Price ............ Contract Date
6 West Coast Road #05-01 .... $675 psf .... 1,851 sqft .... $1,250,000 .... 6 Apr 10

Reporter
01-05-10, 00:30
no problem sir

any idea why theres a 675 psf for Stellar in Apr 10 when everywhere nearby were already at least 800 ?

an old transaction back in 2008/9 but only lodged its caveat in Apr 2010 ?
Although I see "one big one small" from the "one low one high" psf, I can't really deduce the reason as I am not familiar with The Stellar layout and environment.

proud owner
01-05-10, 00:56
Although I see "one big one small" from the "one low one high" psf, I can't really deduce the reason as I am not familiar with The Stellar layout and environment.

yes i understand

the thing about ura data .. it shows the contract date ..

is that caveat lodge date ? or actual transaction date ? any idea ?


cos i suspect its a transaction done much earlier .. cant be 675 psf ..even for a big unit ....cos its neighbour varsity park 99yr , 2000 sqft ish already done at close to 900 psf


very strange .. maybe another case of father selling to son

hahah

Reporter
01-05-10, 01:11
yes i understand

the thing about ura data .. it shows the contract date ..

is that caveat lodge date ? or actual transaction date ? any idea ?


cos i suspect its a transaction done much earlier .. cant be 675 psf ..even for a big unit ....cos its neighbour varsity park 99yr , 2000 sqft ish already done at close to 900 psf


very strange .. maybe another case of father selling to son

hahah
It's caveat lodge date. Therefore, the contract could be signed 3 weeks ago or much earlier.

What type of unit is this 1,851-sqft unit? If it have a small live-in area with a huge pes, then psf can be low. If it isn't, then .....

cheongster
06-02-11, 11:47
Anyone knows where to find information on prices the first owner paid for The Stellar? As in the Launch price?

stalingrad
06-02-11, 15:34
Anyone knows where to find information on prices the first owner paid for The Stellar? As in the Launch price?
Don't know the answer to your question. But the project was launched at about $700psf. Now it is about $1000psf.

but why does it matter what the prices are at launch? they will not sell them to you at those prices.

proud owner
06-02-11, 22:02
Don't know the answer to your question. But the project was launched at about $700psf. Now it is about $1000psf.

but why does it matter what the prices are at launch? they will not sell them to you at those prices.


I bought a unit at launch. At 485 psf.

stalingrad
07-02-11, 09:12
I bought a unit at launch. At 485 psf.

but you bought a penhouse, which is normally cheaper, given the large unusable space.

As well, I understand that the developer hiked the prices a few times over the years. so at early 2007, the average price was about 700psf.

proud owner
07-02-11, 09:53
but you bought a penhouse, which is normally cheaper, given the large unusable space.

As well, I understand that the developer hiked the prices a few times over the years. so at early 2007, the average price was about 700psf.

u might be right

i bought mine at launch .. in mar 2006 ... didnt check the psf for the smaller units cos at that time i was only keen in big units

i believe the smaller units were probably going at around 500++ psf in 2006

mygeemeel
07-02-11, 10:12
Out of curiousity, do penthouses experience waterleaks on the top ceiling? If it does, who pays for the repairs?

I have a friend who does waterproofing. He kept telling me to avoid penthouse/those with roof access.

I believe landed also expose to leaks. Anyway, i am just asking for knowledge.

proud owner
07-02-11, 10:16
Out of curiousity, do penthouses experience waterleaks on the top ceiling? If it does, who pays for the repairs?

I have a friend who does waterproofing. He kept telling me to avoid penthouse/those with roof access.

I believe landed also expose to leaks. Anyway, i am just asking for knowledge.

i am not sure cos i hv already sold it in 2009

anyway for landed ... depending on design .... newer roofs use lots of silicons ..and over time, heat and rain .. it dries up and hardens and sort of shrinks ..so yes it does leak ..

whereas those older design with tiled roof ..no silicon needed ...those are better actually .. just that its not nice loooking ...

mygeemeel
07-02-11, 12:10
Can i assume owners will bear the repair costs for the leaks on their penthouse?

proud owner
07-02-11, 12:20
Can i assume owners will bear the repair costs for the leaks on their penthouse?

depending on the age ...

all condos ( i believe) have a 10 yr warranty ...

if its not a result of your own renovation ...the builder has to repair it ...

plan
07-02-11, 14:45
Anyone knows where to find information on prices the first owner paid for The Stellar? As in the Launch price?

Try Streetsine.com

stalingrad
07-02-11, 15:36
don't waster your time on streetsine.com. its data don't cover periods before 2010.