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Werther
20-10-16, 12:22
My tenant moved in 7 months ago and now lost job. Personal lease for 2 years with 12 + 2 diplomatic clause. Told him to find replacement tenant. But if cannot find and EP cancel by employer, die die also has to leave singapore. what should I do now?

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 12:45
My tenant moved in 7 months ago and now lost job. Personal lease for 2 years with 12 + 2 diplomatic clause. Told him to find replacement tenant. But if cannot find and EP cancel by employer, die die also has to leave singapore. what should I do now?

Take back and plan for next round. Can declare as own stay property too.

Werther
20-10-16, 12:48
cannot la, still need to service loan.

Werther
20-10-16, 12:48
So sign lease also no use, cannot take legal action against them?

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 13:18
So sign lease also no use, cannot take legal action against them?

Most people will advise, no point taking legal action. Even sue until bankrupt, what can you get?

But one thing you can do is to check whether indeed the tenant had lost the job or was just playing punk. Call the company and check.

Werther
20-10-16, 14:13
Most people will advise, no point taking legal action. Even sue until bankrupt, what can you get?

But one thing you can do is to check whether indeed the tenant had lost the job or was just playing punk. Call the company and check.

Thanks Bro Kelong for your advice.

Yes, It's true. He is in oil & gas. sibeh jialat. sian

Ilikeu
20-10-16, 15:55
He has a 2 months deposit (since it is a 2 yrs lease) with you? Forfeit the 2 months deposit and move on to look for a new tenant. It may turn out better for you if u get a new tenant almost immediately and still get the 2 months compensation.

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 16:04
He has a 2 months deposit (since it is a 2 yrs lease) with you? Forfeit the 2 months deposit and move on to look for a new tenant. It may turn out better for you if u get a new tenant almost immediately and still get the 2 months compensation.

Great suggestion!

DMCK
20-10-16, 16:08
Time are really bad!

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 16:18
Time are really bad!

Industry specific and also type of rental specific.

It will be a test of affordability for some and I guess some Government interventions on the way.

Newbie1
20-10-16, 17:57
Why would govt want to intervene when interest rates are so low and new showflats recently are selling so well?



Industry specific and also type of rental specific.

It will be a test of affordability for some and I guess some Government interventions on the way.

wannabe
20-10-16, 18:03
My tenant moved in 7 months ago and now lost job. Personal lease for 2 years with 12 + 2 diplomatic clause. Told him to find replacement tenant. But if cannot find and EP cancel by employer, die die also has to leave singapore. what should I do now?

LOL....My tenant run road 3 months ago....Foreign Tenant...VP of some European Bank somemore

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 18:33
Why would govt want to intervene when interest rates are so low and new showflats recently are selling so well?

Who is the master landlord in SG?

Overheated, implement cooling.

Overcooled, at least some supporting strategy... Anyway already some measures tweaked to support supply. For demand side, just refer to news almost every other day.

teddybear
20-10-16, 20:16
You expect the government to intervene and relax property measures when OCR private property prices are still at HISTORICAL HIGH? Ha ha ha! :emmersed:



Industry specific and also type of rental specific.

It will be a test of affordability for some and I guess some Government interventions on the way.

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 22:28
You expect the government to intervene and relax property measures when OCR private property prices are still at HISTORICAL HIGH? Ha ha ha! :emmersed:

I din say relax. The idea is to work more on demand side. Watch the news carefully. There has been a turn from last few years.

teddybear
20-10-16, 22:49
Like trying to make it easier for people to finance/refinance and suck in more buyers and delay the OCR private property price CRASH? :hororr:


I din say relax. The idea is to work more on demand side. Watch the news carefully. There has been a turn from last few years.

Newbie1
20-10-16, 22:55
Ur answer too enigmatic, and gave too much suspence

Did u mean that the demand for properties from both foreign and locals is drying up in past few years

such that the tap needs to be turned on with a relaxation of cooling measures?


I din say relax. The idea is to work more on demand side. Watch the news carefully. There has been a turn from last few years.

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 22:58
Like trying to make it easier for people to finance/refinance and suck in more buyers and delay the OCR private property price CRASH? :hororr:

Up to you whether receptive or not, and whether believe or not. We shall see.

Kelonguni
20-10-16, 23:51
I already said watch the news.

Go to ST website front page. What is the first two news you read?

Then consider these just for example.

How does SG get 30K healthcare workers in 3 to 4 years? Build new airport, who man?

Just continue to monitor these kinds of figures, and the answers will be clear.


Ur answer too enigmatic, and gave too much suspence

Did u mean that the demand for properties from both foreign and locals is drying up in past few years

such that the tap needs to be turned on with a relaxation of cooling measures?

saintgtril
21-10-16, 08:41
I already said watch the news.

Go to ST website front page. What is the first two news you read?

Then consider these just for example.

How does SG get 30K healthcare workers in 3 to 4 years? Build new airport, who man?

Just continue to monitor these kinds of figures, and the answers will be clear.

Hi, the clues i pick up here is that government will groom people in the healthcare field. Whether these people come from singapore itself or from some other counteries, we dont know. Time will tell.

These people needs to live somewhere. Either they will buy or they will rent. Feel free to comment.

Kelonguni
21-10-16, 09:03
Hi, the clues i pick up here is that government will groom people in the healthcare field. Whether these people come from singapore itself or from some other counteries, we dont know. Time will tell.

These people needs to live somewhere. Either they will buy or they will rent. Feel free to comment.

Since this year to a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about ramping up all kinds of jobs... I won't classify this as heating up policies but rather as supporting the long term growth of SG.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/many-jobs-on-offer-despite-slowdown-ong-ye-kung

• 30,000 IT professionals needed by 2017;

• 3,000 more jobs for professionals, managers, executives and technicians (PMETs) in precision engineering by 2020;

• Demand for 1,000 rail engineers;

• At least 1,200 professionals needed in finance, mostly in IT and compliance; and

• 4,000 more early childhood educators needed in the coming years.

At a separate event, Health Minister Gan Kim Yong pointed out that greying Singapore will need 30,000 more healthcare workers in five years, to add to today's 70,000.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/job-loss-due-to-disruptive-technology-can-create-divisions

http://www.straitstimes.com/business/more-jobs-with-push-in-precision-engineering

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/govt-to-hire-1000-engineers-this-year

Werther
21-10-16, 13:49
LOL....My tenant run road 3 months ago....Foreign Tenant...VP of some European Bank somemore

Did you tenant literally run or served you notice?

I will be getting legal advice. Otherwise, all these tenants can suka suka break lease, regardless lose job or what. Need to work out compensation. A contract is a contract.

onglai
21-10-16, 14:58
Did you tenant literally run or served you notice?

I will be getting legal advice. Otherwise, all these tenants can suka suka break lease, regardless lose job or what. Need to work out compensation. A contract is a contract.

A contract is a contract, does the contract not say what will happen if the tenant or the owner break it?

wannabe
21-10-16, 15:08
Did you tenant literally run or served you notice?

I will be getting legal advice. Otherwise, all these tenants can suka suka break lease, regardless lose job or what. Need to work out compensation. A contract is a contract.

Drop a text that says he has lost his VP job and has no $ to pay rent.
As its a 2-year lease, i forfeited the 2 month deposit and assign agents to look for a new tenant.

xtreme_46
21-10-16, 16:37
Did you tenant literally run or served you notice?

I will be getting legal advice. Otherwise, all these tenants can suka suka break lease, regardless lose job or what. Need to work out compensation. A contract is a contract.

But you forfeit the deposit already is compensation right?

PropVestor
21-10-16, 18:27
Since this year to a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about ramping up all kinds of jobs... I won't classify this as heating up policies but rather as supporting the long term growth of SG.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/many-jobs-on-offer-despite-slowdown-ong-ye-kung

• 30,000 IT professionals needed by 2017;

• 3,000 more jobs for professionals, managers, executives and technicians (PMETs) in precision engineering by 2020;

• Demand for 1,000 rail engineers;

• At least 1,200 professionals needed in finance, mostly in IT and compliance; and

• 4,000 more early childhood educators needed in the coming years.

At a separate event, Health Minister Gan Kim Yong pointed out that greying Singapore will need 30,000 more healthcare workers in five years, to add to today's 70,000.

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/job-loss-due-to-disruptive-technology-can-create-divisions

http://www.straitstimes.com/business/more-jobs-with-push-in-precision-engineering

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/govt-to-hire-1000-engineers-this-year

I second this observation. The signs are there. Fast aging population and low birth rate. Even we ramp up our birthrate to a sustainable 2.0 in 2017 (with our current minister watching this particular portfolio and making recent statements, I find this to be highly challenging), 2030 they will still be teenagers! The only option is to open doors. Without it, Singapore will be self imploding like Japan. We will literally sink into oblivion. I am not working for the government to know this, its pure simple math and economics.

The key difference is how we will feel the effects of this migration versus 2010s. I think it will be minimal. Why?

All the frantic infrastructure growth including massive new rail roads, highways, road alignments, Jurong lake district, new town centres and lots of supply in housing are all preparing for this inevitable outcome. They wrote it in the Population White Paper and that is when LKY is still around. Do you think they wrote it only to apply a 'what if' scenario? Its the only option but it will take some convincing over time for the population to accept this. Borne and bred Singaporean like me will be a minority nationality in 2030. I find it strange to find myself in such a country but can you think of any other way?

I am sorry to hear that this tenant has to go but I think its a matter of time you will find a new replacement. The question is never an 'if' but when. All the best!

2 cents,
Propvestor

Werther
21-10-16, 22:03
But you forfeit the deposit already is compensation right?

My friend's tenant also want to break less than a year. Sent legal letter and he has to find replacement at his cost and if shortfall of rental, he has to make up the difference. All new requests by new tenant to be under the cost of the existing tenant. No choice, and this ang mo tenant has to agree to all cost before he is allowed to break. Otherwise, according to contract, he has to fulfill up to 24 months unless diplomatic clause set in and showing proof of EP cancellation.

Newbie1
22-10-16, 00:02
This only works for local tenants

for foreigners, they just pack their bags and go

at most they leave the deposit behind.

Not much the landlord can do when the foreigners have no intention of ever returning




My friend's tenant also want to break less than a year. Sent legal letter and he has to find replacement at his cost and if shortfall of rental, he has to make up the difference. All new requests by new tenant to be under the cost of the existing tenant. No choice, and this ang mo tenant has to agree to all cost before he is allowed to break. Otherwise, according to contract, he has to fulfill up to 24 months unless diplomatic clause set in and showing proof of EP cancellation.

august
22-10-16, 12:25
I second this observation. The signs are there. Fast aging population and low birth rate. Even we ramp up our birthrate to a sustainable 2.0 in 2017 (with our current minister watching this particular portfolio and making recent statements, I find this to be highly challenging), 2030 they will still be teenagers! The only option is to open doors. Without it, Singapore will be self imploding like Japan. We will literally sink into oblivion. I am not working for the government to know this, its pure simple math and economics.

The key difference is how we will feel the effects of this migration versus 2010s. I think it will be minimal. Why?

All the frantic infrastructure growth including massive new rail roads, highways, road alignments, Jurong lake district, new town centres and lots of supply in housing are all preparing for this inevitable outcome. They wrote it in the Population White Paper and that is when LKY is still around. Do you think they wrote it only to apply a 'what if' scenario? Its the only option but it will take some convincing over time for the population to accept this. Borne and bred Singaporean like me will be a minority nationality in 2030. I find it strange to find myself in such a country but can you think of any other way?

I am sorry to hear that this tenant has to go but I think its a matter of time you will find a new replacement. The question is never an 'if' but when. All the best!

2 cents,
Propvestor

Japan isn't exactly imploding. That is a just fear mongering.

wannabe
23-10-16, 12:52
Did you tenant literally run or served you notice?

I will be getting legal advice. Otherwise, all these tenants can suka suka break lease, regardless lose job or what. Need to work out compensation. A contract is a contract.

Literally ran.

wannabe
23-10-16, 12:53
But you forfeit the deposit already is compensation right?

Thats not really enough to cover all my troubles in getting a new tenant.

wannabe
23-10-16, 12:55
This only works for local tenants

for foreigners, they just pack their bags and go

at most they leave the deposit behind.

Not much the landlord can do when the foreigners have no intention of ever returning

Exactly!
That FT ex-tenant has left the country.
Engaging the help of Interpol to track them down doesnt sound like a viable plan.

PropVestor
25-10-16, 14:53
Japan isn't exactly imploding. That is a just fear mongering.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japans-population-is-imploding-2012-4?IR=T&r=US&IR=T

Facts and figures are there in this article. Whether it strikes fear in you or anyone else, I cannot control it but its not my agenda. Japan's domestic and foreign policies are to be studied closely as they are an Asian first world country like Singapore with very low birth rates.