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sabian
20-02-15, 01:11
Main con:
www.chinaconstruction.com.sg/CMS/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=59

MrTan
25-02-15, 14:33
Showflat is opening soon.

Unit Types
1BR 495-516 sqft 200 units
2BR 656 sqft 150 units
2BR Dual-Key Flexi 721-743 sqft 232 units
3BR 926-958 sqft 66 units
3BR Dual-Key Flexi 1130 sqft 50 units
3BR Premium 1033-1065 sqft 99 units

duffy
02-03-15, 13:47
Looking forward to the floor plans!
The draft basic 2BR has only 1 bathroom though.

2824
02-03-15, 20:21
Looking forward to the floor plans!
The draft basic 2BR has only 1 bathroom though.

That seems like the trend this days. Common area better have more toilets :cower:

azeoprop
10-03-15, 19:14
Interesting 3 bedroom flexi dual key units with 2 separate entrances.

http://www.my-botanique-at-bartley.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/3br-flexi1.jpg

http://botanique-bartley.com/wp-content/uploads/Site-Plan.jpg

MrTan
11-03-15, 16:45
only 50 of such units available, out of a total 797.

1BR 495-516 sqft 200 units
2BR 656 sqft 150 units
2BR Dual-Key Flexi 721-743 sqft 232 units
3BR 926-958 sqft 66 units
3BR Dual-Key Flexi 1130 sqft 50 units
3BR Premium 1033-1065 sqft 99 units

cnud
15-03-15, 22:19
Any indication of price range?

sabian
17-03-15, 12:43
Showflat is opening soon.

Unit Types
1BR 495-516 sqft 200 units
2BR 656 sqft 150 units
2BR Dual-Key Flexi 721-743 sqft 232 units
3BR 926-958 sqft 66 units
3BR Dual-Key Flexi 1130 sqft 50 units
3BR Premium 1033-1065 sqft 99 units

Wow! 73% are 2Br and below???

Bartley Resi only 37% are 2Br and below.

henryhk
17-03-15, 13:02
Wat is the estimate selling price per square feet ?

sabian
17-03-15, 15:12
Breakeven is about 1150psf?
Given the huge numbers of smallish units, is 1350psf (for units 2Br and smaller) and $1230 (for 3br and above) reasonable?

Property insights
18-03-15, 23:45
Breakeven is about 1150psf?
Given the huge numbers of smallish units, is 1350psf (for units 2Br and smaller) and $1230 (for 3br and above) reasonable?

A property with 73 percent 2 bedders and below also mean most of the units will be for rent
I.e. Not conducive for family living.
Condos have really changed in recent years...

sabian
19-03-15, 12:24
A property with 73 percent 2 bedders and below also mean most of the units will be for rent
I.e. Not conducive for family living.
Condos have really changed in recent years...
The usual percentage of smallish units is roughly 37%?

I agree this project will attract mainly investor types.

henryhk
19-03-15, 16:18
Most investors go hiding Liao, don't put too much hope

MrTan
19-03-15, 17:14
Most investors go hiding Liao, don't put too much hope

I thought they go to Northpark Residences liao

henryhk
19-03-15, 17:18
Yes, for me I will also go north park residence, got mrt and shopping, .....

MrTan
19-03-15, 17:26
Yes, for me I will also go north park residence, got mrt and shopping, .....

guess condo launching is similar to movie screening - open together with a blockbuster and ur box office will suffer...

henryhk
19-03-15, 19:32
smart investor will buy A+ grade, learn from experience

Tropical Fox
20-03-15, 11:25
Breakeven is about 1150psf?
Given the huge numbers of smallish units, is 1350psf (for units 2Br and smaller) and $1230 (for 3br and above) reasonable?

Developer indicative price will be fr 1.2xxk psf. So I guess Avg PSF will be 1.3k

MrTan
21-03-15, 00:04
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/condominium-in-bartley-to/1729608.html

SINGAPORE
Condominium in Bartley to launch despite slow private home sales

Private home sales have seen less than 400 units sold in each of the last two months. Despite this, developer UOL Group is going ahead with its 797-unit condominium, Botanique at Bartley.

SINGAPORE: Private home sales have been moving relatively slowly recently - with less than 400 units sold in each of the last two months.

Despite this, developer UOL Group is going ahead with its 797-unit condominium, Botanique at Bartley, citing encouraging signs in recent weeks.

"Beginning this year, the launches were a little bit more muted but of late, the last few weeks we can see a lot more traction in other launches as well,” said president of property at UOL Group, Mr Liam Wee Sin. “So that is why we are going forward with ours. For most developers, as long as we are launch-ready, we size up the market, we have our agent to be market-ready and we see healthy interest, we will proceed to launch."

Located near Bartley MRT station, the development is said to have more than 70 per cent of its units priced below S$1 million. A one-bedroom unit starts at S$598,000, a two-bedroom unit starts from S$798,000, while a three-bedroom one starts from S$1.16 million.

This works out to just under S$1,300 per square foot.

Sizes for a one-bedroom unit range from 495 square feet (sq ft) to 689 sq ft, a two-bedroom unit ranges from 657 sq ft to 958 sq ft, and a three-bedroom one ranges from 926 sq ft to 1,356 sq ft.

It will be opening its showflat for public preview this weekend and the development is expected to be completed in 2019. Botanique at Bartley will be the third condominium in the area, after Bartley Residences and Bartley Ridge.

PRIME LOCATION AND PRICE

One analyst said the location and price point could still attract prospective buyers.

Said Mr Mohamed Ismail, CEO of PropNex: "At that location, there has been strong demand based on the past two developments, which have been 100 per cent sold out or about 97 per cent to 98 per cent sold.

“And the strong demand comes from the fact that this is situated at the fringe of the core central region, and because of its closeness to the MRT, we see a strong take-up rate. And if you say the price is about S$1,300, it is a fair price for that location and I think there will be strong interest as well."

MrTan
21-03-15, 00:27
Indicative Prices
1-Bedroom 495-516sf $59x,000 to $800,000
2-Bedroom 656sf $79x,000 to $1050,000
3-Bedroom 926-1065sf $11xx,000 to $168x,000

jhokc0007
23-03-15, 09:56
Guess developer testing water - ballot then release price once you get it. At a time like this, they must be kidding.


Developer indicative price will be fr 1.2xxk psf. So I guess Avg PSF will be 1.3k

MrTan
23-03-15, 10:16
Guess developer testing water - ballot then release price once you get it. At a time like this, they must be kidding.

testing water, cheque collecting, balloting - as per usual standard industry practise mah...

Darry
05-04-15, 07:57
It was very crowded at the balloting yesterday. Anyone bought any unit?

MrTan
05-04-15, 11:14
Available Units & Prices
1-Bedroom
#04-24 495sf $613,000 1238psf
2-Bedroom
#02-35 657sf $805,000 1225psf
2-Bedroom Flexi
#04-40 721sf $903,000 1252psf
#03-19 732sf $913,000 1247psf
#03-02 753sf $899,000 1194psf
3-Bedroom
#02-15 926sf $1161,000
3-Bedroom Flexi
#02-12 1130sf $1435,000 1270psf
#02-16 1130sf $1435,000 1270psf

giantcroco
05-04-15, 19:38
Available Units & Prices
1-Bedroom
#04-24 495sf $613,000 1238psf
2-Bedroom
#02-35 657sf $805,000 1225psf
2-Bedroom Flexi
#04-40 721sf $903,000 1252psf
#03-19 732sf $913,000 1247psf
#03-02 753sf $899,000 1194psf
3-Bedroom
#02-15 926sf $1161,000
3-Bedroom Flexi
#02-12 1130sf $1435,000 1270psf
#02-16 1130sf $1435,000 1270psf


any price for 3 room premium?

MrTan
05-04-15, 19:45
any price for 3 room premium?

Estimated 1.3mil and above

lajia
05-04-15, 20:33
Many ppl there hoping to get good preview pricing but I think not many buy...quite nonsense.state for 598k and in the end, all units above 600k. ...they playing with fire. Those buyer also not stupid. Release this kind of pricing after queueing, wasting ppl time.

Let see how they going to salvage this project. Maybe the early bird will curse and swear down the road if garmen not going to relief those rules......my opinion....
It was very crowded at the balloting yesterday. Anyone bought any unit?

MrTan
05-04-15, 20:48
Many ppl there hoping to get good preview pricing but I think not many buy...quite nonsense.state for 598k and in the end, all units above 600k. ...they playing with fire. Those buyer also not stupid. Release this kind of pricing after queueing, wasting ppl time.

Let see how they going to salvage this project. Maybe the early bird will curse and swear down the road if garmen not going to relief those rules......my opinion....

Thought early birds will curse and swear if garmen relief those rules after they bought it, not the other way round?

alfanutz
06-04-15, 08:31
Available Units & Prices
1-Bedroom
#04-24 495sf $613,000 1238psf
2-Bedroom
#02-35 657sf $805,000 1225psf
2-Bedroom Flexi
#04-40 721sf $903,000 1252psf
#03-19 732sf $913,000 1247psf
#03-02 753sf $899,000 1194psf
3-Bedroom
#02-15 926sf $1161,000
3-Bedroom Flexi
#02-12 1130sf $1435,000 1270psf
#02-16 1130sf $1435,000 1270psf

Are these the final net prices after all discounts ?

MrTan
06-04-15, 08:37
Are these the final net prices after all discounts ?

You may wish to visit the showroom to check out the prices.

lajia
06-04-15, 08:59
if garmen relief those strict policies, more ppl will buy right? Then the price will go up or down?? your call...:)

So early bird happy or sad?


Thought early birds will curse and swear if garmen relief those rules after they bought it, not the other way round?

MrTan
06-04-15, 10:23
if garmen relief those strict policies, more ppl will buy right? Then the price will go up or down?? your call...:)

So early bird happy or sad?

ur statement -> early birds will curse and swear if garmen dun relief the rules -> less pple will buy -> price will go down -> late birds pay lower prices than early birds -> hence early birds will curse and swear

if u r referring to this botanique@bartley development, then the garmen rules are already in place . the early birds r buying the units at these high prices in this post garmen rules era. they already know what they r paying for. if garmen maintain status quo, i.e. dun relief the rules or dun up the rules, then nothing to curse and swear abt since it can swing both ways.

my statement -> early birds will curse and swear if garmen relief the rules -> absd and ssd will go up or down?? your call....)

so early bird happy or sad?

lajia
06-04-15, 10:33
If status quo, in this soft market, u think the price will maintain if the developer only sell 20% (for eg) of what they have launched? Of course they will reduce price la, isn't it logical? Then will early bird or those who bought during balloting curse and swear? U tell me...:)

By relief of policies, I mean by relaxing those rules like ssd, absd, etc. With this rules relaxed, will the market have higher chance of going up??

So when I said early bird will curse and swear if rules are not relax, is it clearer now??



ur statement -> early birds will curse and swear if garmen dun relief the rules -> less pple will buy -> price will go down -> late birds pay lower prices than early birds -> hence early birds will curse and swear

if u r referring to this botanique@bartley development, then the garmen rules are already in place . the early birds r buying the units at these high prices in this post garmen rules era. they already know what they r paying for. if garmen maintain status quo, i.e. dun relief the rules or dun up the rules, then nothing to curse and swear abt since it can swing both ways.

my statement -> early birds will curse and swear if garmen relief the rules -> absd and ssd will go up or down?? your call....)

so early bird happy or sad?

MrTan
06-04-15, 10:52
If status quo, in this soft market, u think the price will maintain if the developer only sell 20% (for eg) of what they have launched? Of course they will reduce price la, isn't it logical? Then will early bird or those who bought during balloting curse and swear? U tell me...:)

By relief of policies, I mean by relaxing those rules like ssd, absd, etc. With this rules relaxed, will the market have higher chance of going up??

So when I said early bird will curse and swear if rules are not relax, is it clearer now??

so u r telling me that all early birds who bought during balloting in this post garmen rules era are all cursing and swearing now lor? :)

so u mean early birds who pay high absd high ssd during this post garmen rules era will rejoice when the garmen relief the rules lor? :)

guess u have ur views and I have my views and its hard for us to see eye to eye unless we sit down together drink tea eat bao and discuss together. :)

cnud
06-04-15, 12:07
Interesting. But you take a look at the upcoming supply in the pipeline (from 2016 to 2018), the numbers are staggering... in the drastic downtrend. Means the supply will be acutely cut. So price up or down?

lajia
06-04-15, 16:03
I don't wish to go on and on with u but just for the sake of those viewing.....I am no expert and as I said, my view, that's right...

I didn't say all who bought during this period will curse and swear.

I mean, for this project at this pricing and >> if status quo, no change in policy, .....................................yes you are right, I am assuming price will be down. as what Cnud also pointed out, supply a lot..

and if garmen really relax the rules....maket confirm more activities than now, 100% guarantee....double confirm chop and sign....:) early bird will rejoice? of course la, more demand means even if price don't go up it will also not drop ma...

my view and yours confirm different. you sounds like an agent to me. so what have you bought during this period?

bontanique good pricing?? check out how much sold compare to Sims...


so u r telling me that all early birds who bought during balloting in this post garmen rules era are all cursing and swearing now lor? :)

so u mean early birds who pay high absd high ssd during this post garmen rules era will rejoice when the garmen relief the rules lor? :)

guess u have ur views and I have my views and its hard for us to see eye to eye unless we sit down together drink tea eat bao and discuss together. :)

MrTan
06-04-15, 16:44
guess we wun be sitting down together drinking tea and eating bao and having a discussion then... :)

some will say its half-empty... others will say its half-full... to each his own then... :)


I don't wish to go on and on with u but just for the sake of those viewing.....I am no expert and as I said, my view, that's right...

I didn't say all who bought during this period will curse and swear.

I mean, for this project at this pricing and >> if status quo, no change in policy, .....................................yes you are right, I am assuming price will be down. as what Cnud also pointed out, supply a lot..

and if garmen really relax the rules....maket confirm more activities than now, 100% guarantee....double confirm chop and sign....:) early bird will rejoice? of course la, more demand means even if price don't go up it will also not drop ma...

my view and yours confirm different. you sounds like an agent to me. so what have you bought during this period?

bontanique good pricing?? check out how much sold compare to Sims...

cnud
06-04-15, 16:51
I don't wish to go on and on with u but just for the sake of those viewing.....I am no expert and as I said, my view, that's right...

I didn't say all who bought during this period will curse and swear.

I mean, for this project at this pricing and >> if status quo, no change in policy, .....................................yes you are right, I am assuming price will be down. as what Cnud also pointed out, supply a lot..

and if garmen really relax the rules....maket confirm more activities than now, 100% guarantee....double confirm chop and sign....:) early bird will rejoice? of course la, more demand means even if price don't go up it will also not drop ma...

my view and yours confirm different. you sounds like an agent to me. so what have you bought during this period?

bontanique good pricing?? check out how much sold compare to Sims...

Confirm you like to hear what you like to hear. Or read for that matter.

What I said was: supply will be cut from 2016 to 2018, looking at the URA charts. So those that are buying now are seeing something others don't. BTW, I'm not agent. But vested in Bartley Residences. :)

lajia
06-04-15, 19:12
Oh, I think you have misread as well...the supply cut, but still supply a lot with in flow of manpower cut and vacancy increase even though slow supply......this is a fact. Not what I want to hear. As I said, if status quo, this will be it...and by the way, doesn't mean buy during this period all will curse and swear. It depends.....but when I make this statement, I was referring to botanique.



Confirm you like to hear what you like to hear. Or read for that matter.

What I said was: supply will be cut from 2016 to 2018, looking at the URA charts. So those that are buying now are seeing something others don't. BTW, I'm not agent. But vested in Bartley Residences. :)

bargain hunter
06-04-15, 20:29
Maybank research:

Botanique at Bartley by UOL. More than 150 units were booked at the
private sales event on 4 Apr (Saturday). The average pricing, at SGD1,300
psf, was largely in line with two nearby developments, Bartley Residences
and Bartley Ridge, which are almost fully sold.

giantcroco
07-04-15, 09:36
Estimated 1.3mil and above

thank you think a bit high for that area.

MrTan
07-04-15, 09:46
thank you think a bit high for that area.

ur welcome. yup, u r not the only one who think that too. nevertheless, there r still takers. :)

cnud
07-04-15, 09:49
thank you think a bit high for that area.

:)

l1127
07-04-15, 20:01
Isnt bartley the next hot area?

lajia
07-04-15, 20:21
why hot? Maybe u can enlighten us...I also want more reasons to be convinced


Isnt bartley the next hot area?

MrTan
07-04-15, 20:41
Isnt bartley the next hot area?

better be careful when u enlighten and convince. else may be alleged to be an agent or/and have vested interest. better not. be safe not sorry. :)

l1127
08-04-15, 04:54
In any forum, in my opinion, take all post comment as a pinch of salt. It is up to individual to make up their mind. Buying a property is not like buying a fish from a fish market. Potential buyers are smart and will do their research and not simply relying on forum comments. There is no need to enlighten or convince anyone.

To me bartley seems hot as most of the under construction condo around are almost sold out. There are buzz about the paya lebar and bartley area for future development in the masterplan.

Thanks to all user in this forum. Some of your post are quite entertaining and some take their time to update us with photos. Thanks.

henryhk
08-04-15, 06:46
In any forum, in my opinion, take all post comment as a pinch of salt. It is up to individual to make up their mind. Buying a property is not like buying a fish from a fish market. Potential buyers are smart and will do their research and not simply relying on forum comments. There is no need to enlighten or convince anyone.

To me bartley seems hot as most of the under construction condo around are almost sold out. There are buzz about the paya lebar and bartley area for future development in the masterplan.

Thanks to all user in this forum. Some of your post are quite entertaining and some take their time to update us with photos. Thanks.
I tink u mean bidadari is hot , is it is stretch all the way to Bartley from near potong pasir, I agree tat many public housing attractive to young generation... And pte condo as long priced well will sell

cnud
08-04-15, 10:00
I tink u mean bidadari is hot , is it is stretch all the way to Bartley from near potong pasir, I agree tat many public housing attractive to young generation... And pte condo as long priced well will sell

I think he/she meant that Bartley is hot coz most of the launches there sold out. B Residences is 100% sold. B Ridge is 98% (if not wrong) sold as of now. And Botanique has sold about 100+ units since launched 2 weeks ago.

So look at the supply in the pipeline and you will see why people are getting into action now.

stannes
08-04-15, 12:31
The govt plans to develop the area which has been announced so the price sentiments has been factored in? Not cheap cheap in my opinion with all the hype. Maybe its the mrt connectivity which many people are crazy about these days. Esp those waiting to ditch their cars for public transport..

jmyopic
09-04-15, 21:23
Was at the launch.
#5-39 3BDR premium was 1.37 mil.

Settled for 3br instead.

Yuki
10-04-15, 15:21
The project is not bad.. Interior design quality n location.. But 2 many small units..will be a more for "rental " than own stay.

Strata
14-04-15, 22:44
Imagine all smaller units are up for rental to FTs...cant imagine the quality of life there....good luck to those who have bought it for stay..

l1127
15-04-15, 05:30
Small units seems to be appealing to young couples and singles.

henryhk
15-04-15, 06:43
Was at the launch.
#5-39 3BDR premium was 1.37 mil.

Settled for 3br instead.

Hi, are u first time buyer? Do u need to pay 7% ABSD? U buy to stay?

Strata
15-04-15, 06:44
Small units seems to be appealing to young couples and singles.

Young couples with no intention to have children. Once they have it accidentally, they will realise it is impractical to have small unit over time.

Kelonguni
15-04-15, 07:02
Young couples with no intention to have children. Once they have it accidentally, they will realise it is impractical to have small unit over time.

Enjoy couple hood for few years, save up, combine income to sell and buy a larger one later? Sounds good!

Strata
15-04-15, 11:56
Enjoy couple hood for few years, save up, combine income to sell and buy a larger one later? Sounds good!

Looking at market sentiment now, maybe need abt more than 5 yrs holding period in order can sell at reasonable price.

Kelonguni
15-04-15, 12:20
Looking at market sentiment now, maybe need abt more than 5 yrs holding period in order can sell at reasonable price.

True. If couple strongly recommended to get hdb.

but if single with no bf or gf, two years find and paktor, two years couplehood, 1 year pregnancy. Five years just nice!

Kelonguni
15-04-15, 12:23
Buy now also got to wait a few years to build right?

stannes
15-04-15, 13:44
Imagine all smaller units are up for rental to FTs...cant imagine the quality of life there....good luck to those who have bought it for stay..

It also looks like more will be renting out at lower rents instead of holding a vacant unit for which they have to pay property tax...wonder what kind of foreigners will move in? Having too many vacant units for too long is not a nice feeling for people staying there...

Kelonguni
15-04-15, 17:37
It also looks like more will be renting out at lower rents instead of holding a vacant unit for which they have to pay property tax...wonder what kind of foreigners will move in? Having too many vacant units for too long is not a nice feeling for people staying there...

Could also be rented out to young couples or singles working in the vicinity awaiting their flats?

Strata
15-04-15, 20:27
Could also be rented out to young couples or singles working in the vicinity awaiting their flats?

The rental market has also suffered nowadays. More competition, lesser tenants, increasing interest rate....cant imagine still can depend on rental as passive income anymore..i know of some frens they rather rent their PC out at loss than leaving it empty. You might have noticed some PC or EC rental rate is quite close to hdb rate nowadays.

henryhk
15-04-15, 20:42
The rental market has also suffered nowadays. More competition, lesser tenants, increasing interest rate....cant imagine still can depend on rental as passive income anymore..i know of some frens they rather rent their PC out at loss than leaving it empty. You might have noticed some PC or EC rental rate is quite close to hdb rate nowadays.

Ya, wen market is gloomy , is best time to buy, waiting for crash , how long u tink we need to wait ?

Kelonguni
15-04-15, 21:35
Long ago, probably 2011, there was Basic. Nobody knew where he/she came from but there were suggestions that he is D**** L**. Not that I actually knew who that was anyway...

Then from maybe 2012-2013 there was a Seletar who kept searching for all the negative news in the Internet to post.

Very recently, Strata and Stannes emerged (one who coincidentally live in Seletar region) who kept harping on the weaknesses of every new condo project.

I don't necessarily think they are linked, but I think at any one point, there will be the negatives (and positives) anywhere.

I work in a different way - people say very good I will see and say the reverse, and if people say until very bad, I will start to see and say the good things. That's just me rambling haha... Sorry for hijacking Botanique thread.

Forever84
16-04-15, 20:19
Me and my wife recently bought a 2br there. Overall I think the quality of the project is really good, location wise and future developments are also promising...

It's small place but unfortunately for us, we belong to a class that can't qualify for a BTO or EC but yet don't have enough to down pay for a 3br. At the same time we are wary of getting an expensive resale flat and essentially paying for someone else to upgrade and get stuck with the lease over 30 years old.

After viewing many projects we are happy to say this is one of the better ones we like! :)

Looking forward to meet the neighbors!

Ranger123
16-04-15, 22:05
Me and my wife recently bought a 2br there. Overall I think the quality of the project is really good, location wise and future developments are also promising...

It's small place but unfortunately for us, we belong to a class that can't qualify for a BTO or EC but yet don't have enough to down pay for a 3br. At the same time we are wary of getting an expensive resale flat and essentially paying for someone else to upgrade and get stuck with the lease over 30 years old.

After viewing many projects we are happy to say this is one of the better ones we like! :)

Looking forward to meet the neighbors!


Fully agreed. The pricing is slightly higher than it's neighbour development but I feel the quality is better than others. I have been searching for a while and end up vested in a 3 br there. Initially looking for a bigger unit but the quantum at that area is high. The amenities might not be as fantastic as Northpark residences but the location is definitely better (personal view). Once that area is developed eg. biddadari then there will be more amenities and hope the price will move up. Anyway, it's for own stay so even if stays still fine. Looking forward too!!

sabian
16-04-15, 23:34
Agents lai liao.

henryhk
17-04-15, 06:45
Fully agreed. The pricing is slightly higher than it's neighbour development but I feel the quality is better than others. I have been searching for a while and end up vested in a 3 br there. Initially looking for a bigger unit but the quantum at that area is high. The amenities might not be as fantastic as Northpark residences but the location is definitely better (personal view). Once that area is developed eg. biddadari then there will be more amenities and hope the price will move up. Anyway, it's for own stay so even if stays still fine. Looking forward too!!

True true......3 years ago, I saw the bidadari development, and tell myself it is a growth area, so I bought the last available Nin residence , .....and nver regret, sent my agent there to negotiate on sun and clinched the deal on the same day, didnt see and didnt ask much why still available..... I just feel right

Ranger123
17-04-15, 07:17
I believe there is nothing gain for an agent to post comments here.
I'm just sharing my view after viewing quite a number of development before deciding.

Kelonguni
17-04-15, 09:03
Unlikely to be agents lah. Its more effective for agents to station at showflats or other means of passing of their contact info directly. Worse if they encourage sales but the money all goes into fellow agents' pockets because they faked postings at forums. It's a very competitive and tough vocation right now.

So many people bought, maybe we can estimate 10% would visit forums to learn from each other's experience and you would have a few posts by the subscribers / buyers. Most don't post anyway and just "take info" but never "give info". We should encourage those who share experience and give info, shouldn't we?

Ranger123
18-04-15, 11:56
That's the reason why maybe left only 10% of the real buyer post in forum. When you say the development good, people say you are agent. If you say the development sucks, people complain also. So everyone just view. ��

cnud
18-04-15, 12:01
Yes. Information is key to knowledge gathering. What you do with the knowledge is entirely up to you. Agents also can be a source of knowledge and information. If you believe everything you read on forums, then there is really nothing stopping you from being called naive.

Kelonguni
18-04-15, 17:00
Yes. Information is key to knowledge gathering. What you do with the knowledge is entirely up to you. Agents also can be a source of knowledge and information. If you believe everything you read on forums, then there is really nothing stopping you from being called naive.

Even when information given face to face, cannot trust blindly too. But calling people agents just because they support a project is just overly judgemental.

That said, agents did post very actively in this forum a few years back. Now I think much lesser posts overall.

jmyopic
18-04-15, 19:00
Hi, are u first time buyer? Do u need to pay 7% ABSD? U buy to stay?

I just sold my Hdb so no ABSD for me.

jmyopic
18-04-15, 19:09
How's the price now compared to VVIP? Hope we got it at a steal :)

MrTan
18-04-15, 19:49
How's the price now compared to VVIP? Hope we got it at a steal :)

IMHO, VVIP is just a marketing gimmick. The after-all-discounts nett price is in fact the targeted price that the developer is willing to let go of the unit. Any pre-discount transacted price will be additional bonus to them. This is of course based on assumptions that the developer does not undertake any drastic measures to clear the remaining unsold leftover units before and/or after TOP. Regret if I bring anyone back to planet earth reality. :)

highboy
18-04-15, 20:26
Yes, I agree with MrTan. In fact, those who go for VVIP preview sales are buyers with super high interest and hence developers are able to achieve higher prices from them. After all, anyone can buy during the preview sales, it is not as if the preview is only for "Very Very Important Persons".

Forever84
18-04-15, 20:27
How's the price now compared to VVIP? Hope we got it at a steal :)

Heard it went up by 1%. Still I am not sure how true is that. Hoping it TOPs early hahaha

jmyopic
18-04-15, 21:31
IMHO, VVIP is just a marketing gimmick. The after-all-discounts nett price is in fact the targeted price that the developer is willing to let go of the unit. Any pre-discount transacted price will be additional bonus to them. This is of course based on assumptions that the developer does not undertake any drastic measures to clear the remaining unsold leftover units before and/or after TOP. Regret if I bring anyone back to planet earth reality. :)

Wise words and so true. I hope such drastic measures won't happen though.

muffin_lover
19-04-15, 10:42
Wise words and so true. I hope such drastic measures won't happen though.

Is it a concern that 3 sides of the estate is surrounded by road? It is going to be really noisy?

MrTan
19-04-15, 11:11
Is it a concern that 3 sides of the estate is surrounded by road? It is going to be really noisy?

3 sides? I visualize this development site primarily as a triangle with 1 short side facing bartley residences and 2 long sides flanked by 2 major rds - upper paya lebar rd and bartley rd. Good news is that it is well connected in terms of roads, buses and MRT with respect to accessibility and proximity. The bad news is some noise will be inevitable. It all depends which unit u choose - outward facing or inward facing, and the level of the unit. Hope helps. :)

muffin_lover
19-04-15, 12:39
3 sides? I visualize this development site primarily as a triangle with 1 short side facing bartley residences and 2 long sides flanked by 2 major rds - upper paya lebar rd and bartley rd. Good news is that it is well connected in terms of roads, buses and MRT with respect to accessibility and proximity. The bad news is some noise will be inevitable. It all depends which unit u choose - outward facing or inward facing, and the level of the unit. Hope helps. :)

Didn't think much about the noise and triangular plot until someone mentioned this... We are looking at stack 13. Does anyone know how's the sales? Need to take into consideration the possibility of cheap sale by developer in case there are too many unsold units...

MrTan
19-04-15, 14:04
Didn't think much about the noise and triangular plot until someone mentioned this... We are looking at stack 13. Does anyone know how's the sales? Need to take into consideration the possibility of cheap sale by developer in case there are too many unsold units...

Based on last news reports...

The Straits Times dated 14 Apr...
"Botanique at Bartley, a 797-unit condominium in Upper Paya Lebar Road, also did well.

About 200 of the 360 units released for sale by UOL Group on April 4 have found buyers, 81 per cent of whom are Singaporean."

The Business Times dated 14 Apr...
"The weekend also brought good news for Botanique at Bartley. Another 50 units were moved over its second weekend of sales, raising its total number sold to more than 200. Units at UOL Group's 797-unit condominium in Upper Paya Lebar Road sold for an average price point of S$1,290 per sq ft. Two-bedroom units have been especially popular among buyers.

Botanique at Bartley offers 200 one-bedders, 382 two-bedders and 215 three-bedders. Unit sizes for a one-bedroom ranges from 495 sq ft to 689 sq ft, a two-bedroom ranges from 657 sq ft to 958 sq ft and a three-bedroom ranges from 926 sq ft to 1,356 sq ft"

Development just launched. Still too early to tell if there will be a cheap sale or not due to too many unsold units. Can only tell after a year or two. By that time, the more preferred units would have already been sold. Only left the less preferred units. Hence need to balance between timing and pricing and also buyer's mentality, preference, thinking, needs, wants and wishes.

Main Brochure
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/9jphhBNsz14VESdJR3KbGJib02sucTUByO52OmdNLhoMArx5abAPUoECBy8qyA45?dl=1

Floorplans
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/B2Kdb2NfpA17rBQHu7dugjdKOpQAARgNqTaW4cj2YGDuB0tJzEQoBlSV9Vt1soV4?dl=1

Forever84
19-04-15, 16:15
Didn't think much about the noise and triangular plot until someone mentioned this... We are looking at stack 13. Does anyone know how's the sales? Need to take into consideration the possibility of cheap sale by developer in case there are too many unsold units...

I initially had this concern as well. but also worried if we bought too late there might only be left with less ideal and high floor units. We felt the additional cost in height especially facing inwards is not worth the difference.

Also, due to road we picked inside facing units. Though bit of afternoon sun it's likely blocked by the unit nearby

muffin_lover
19-04-15, 17:32
I initially had this concern as well. but also worried if we bought too late there might only be left with less ideal and high floor units. We felt the additional cost in height especially facing inwards is not worth the difference.

Also, due to road we picked inside facing units. Though bit of afternoon sun it's likely blocked by the unit nearby

I read the article too, the developer didn't mention the exact units sold when we went to view the show room again yesterday. All units are facing inwards right? We are interested in the 926 but also concerned about the afternoon sun and feel the dry kitchen/entrance area is a bit cramp. The blocks seem to be v near the main road judging by the model. I heard high floors will get more noise, not sure is this true. We are looking at mid levels. Have you exercised the option?

Forever84
19-04-15, 18:18
I read the article too, the developer didn't mention the exact units sold when we went to view the show room again yesterday. All units are facing inwards right? We are interested in the 926 but also concerned about the afternoon sun and feel the dry kitchen/entrance area is a bit cramp. The blocks seem to be v near the main road judging by the model. I heard high floors will get more noise, not sure is this true. We are looking at mid levels. Have you exercised the option?

We still waiting for the s&p to come but we will buy for sure haha :)

If facing inwards I think the best is mid floor ba... No point getting high floor and see the block opposite. At least mid floor still can see pool and cheaper haha

Facing inwards think noise is okay, also that road should only be busy during weekday, ie when you're at work.

Kitchen is small have to say

muffin_lover
19-04-15, 21:24
We still waiting for the s&p to come but we will buy for sure haha :)

If facing inwards I think the best is mid floor ba... No point getting high floor and see the block opposite. At least mid floor still can see pool and cheaper haha

Facing inwards think noise is okay, also that road should only be busy during weekday, ie when you're at work.

Kitchen is small have to say
I think above 3rd floor shd be ok. One problem is there is no store room. Very challenging to fit big items. May need to trash 1/3 of my belongings if we move in.

Have someone done any research on which bank loan is more attractive?

jmyopic
19-04-15, 21:41
3 sides? I visualize this development site primarily as a triangle with 1 short side facing bartley residences and 2 long sides flanked by 2 major rds - upper paya lebar rd and bartley rd. Good news is that it is well connected in terms of roads, buses and MRT with respect to accessibility and proximity. The bad news is some noise will be inevitable. It all depends which unit u choose - outward facing or inward facing, and the level of the unit. Hope helps. :)

How about Stack 15? Any cons to a mid floor Below #8?

Thanks

MrTan
20-04-15, 09:54
How about Stack 15? Any cons to a mid floor Below #8?

Thanks

Stack 15 (926) is slightly smaller than stack 13 (958), but it (15) is more reclusive from upper paya lebar r&d than 13.

Both stacks main view are facing south west, with limited or no view to the other directions.

Afternoon sun will have a bigger impact on stack 15 than stack 13, though the latter will be getting the morning sun impact.

Low floor, mid floor, high floor all have their lovers and haters. Price is one factor. The view is another.

For high floor, I would think that the view to the opposite block is not that bad for stack 15, though I can't say the same for stack 13.

For low floor, stack 13 will be facing clubhouse, stream deck, aquatic gym whereas stack 15 will be facing family deck, lazy pool, green deck. It looks like there will be small trees planted between these 2 stacks and the mentioned facilities, hence the views may be blocked.

IMHO, if for own stay, I would get a mid to high floor in stack 15. If for investment/rental purposes, I would get the cheapest unit. This is just my own personal preference and opinion. Different people different needs different wants different wishes. :)

catechins
03-05-15, 11:24
Hi!, anyone has updates on how is the sales? Heard its sold 50%.

proxon
03-05-15, 21:57
This is puzzling. The price seems to be almost the same as Bartley Residence and Ridge.
With all the cooling measures, rising interest rates and abundance of units in the pipeline, why is the price still holding?
Is the price psf really about the same as Residence and Ridge or the actual purchase price is 10% or more lower than those 2 other sites?

Kelonguni
03-05-15, 23:07
This is puzzling. The price seems to be almost the same as Bartley Residence and Ridge.
With all the cooling measures, rising interest rates and abundance of units in the pipeline, why is the price still holding?
Is the price psf really about the same as Residence and Ridge or the actual purchase price is 10% or more lower than those 2 other sites?

If priced the same two to four years after those two sites released, it means the price has actually dropped factoring wage and materials inflation.

Note the prices were actually on a trajectory upward before the gazillion CMs and so called huge supply.

On a more sombre note, I think Govt knows it is unsustainable to keep releasing more sites. Prices are set to slowly sell rather than to sell like cupcakes. Everybody happy strategy.

proxon
04-05-15, 10:31
Oh yes, time value of money.
Why do I keep forgetting about this :doh:

cnud
04-05-15, 12:26
Anyone knows how many units sold so far?

catechins
06-05-15, 09:50
Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

TIA!

StormyNormy
06-05-15, 10:21
Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

TIA! With some limited knowledge, the site of this project is actually beside some light industrial buildings. Whether is this good or bad or incconsequential i dont know. Bartley Ridge for example will be nearer to the residential part of the area, maybe has a more homely feel. That said, i think the entire Bartley area is great for connectivity even though in the short short run there may be a perceived lack of amenities. This will also mean you are probably buying into the potential of the area, when the Bidadari town develops hopefully you can offload at a gain! Humble opinions

alfanutz
06-05-15, 12:26
Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

TIA!

I stay at Macpherson area and my place is near Breadtalk HQ. I usually will drive down Upper Paya Lebar road and then Bartley Road to go NEX. I will carry on along Braddell and Lornie road and then enter PIE if I need to go towards west side (Jurong East).

Depending on the time of the day, traffic on Bartley and Upper Paya Lebar road can be pretty heavy. On Bartley road, you will experience jams due to parents dropping and picking kids up from Maris Stella. Also, jams in the morning when many drivers use Bartley/Braddell/Lornie road as that's part of the larger ring road. Don't forget that traffic also comes from the Tampines/Bedok area through the Bartley viaduct.

The area where Botanique@Bartley is located is residential area and across it at New Industrial Road are some industrial buildings. Overall, it is a nice and quiet residential area.

catechins
06-05-15, 20:22
Frankly, i also find the area very convenient and nice.. can't find what not to like about it....yet... hahaha

only one thing i think is the limited food places.. but most probably will be solved when more people stay over and with the opening of the Kensington square.

alfanutz
06-05-15, 23:35
Frankly, i also find the area very convenient and nice.. can't find what not to like about it....yet... hahaha

only one thing i think is the limited food places.. but most probably will be solved when more people stay over and with the opening of the Kensington square.

Walk towards Tai Seng MRT and there's quite a few nice eatery along the shop houses. There's famous bak ku teh and claypot curry fish head there and not to mention the famous roast meat joint where the owner wanted to sell the recipe for 1 million !

catechins
07-05-15, 10:35
Walk towards Tai Seng MRT and there's quite a few nice eatery along the shop houses. There's famous bak ku teh and claypot curry fish head there and not to mention the famous roast meat joint where the owner wanted to sell the recipe for 1 million !

Oooh.. thank you. One day must go and try the food.

Btw.. heard that there are 278 units sold.

alfanutz
07-05-15, 12:43
Oooh.. thank you. One day must go and try the food.

Btw.. heard that there are 278 units sold.

So you bought a unit ?

catechins
08-05-15, 12:08
So you bought a unit ?



hi, Yes I did. =D

alfanutz
08-05-15, 18:50
hi, Yes I did. =D

Congrats !

It is a nice place and I am sure you are looking forward to it !

Reisor
16-05-15, 11:29
The area along Bartley rd is a very serene & green place (except for noise of school & normal peak hour traffic). About 10 mins walk to both NEX (can cut across estate) & Tai Seng Breadtalk area, cycling is the best IMO.
Non-peak hour, the place has a Sunday morning feel. As for the new development BRs, Botanique, all have their pros and cons. Those who drive will find that roads leading to the entrances may be blocked by very heavy traffic during peak hr. BRs have the advantage of two roads leading in, Botanique has only 1 if I am not wrong. As for inside, no comments as it's preference of owners. Personally prefer dual key for its practicality of housing 3 gen. Do not think it is ideal as rental as too close for comfort between tenant & owner, prefer agent to be the middleman.

All this info is pre-bidadari estate development, I believe the landscape will change a lot more post HDB establishment.
CHEERS.



Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

TIA!

MrTan
19-05-15, 22:11
Any chance of sheltered walkway to MRT for Botanique @ Bartley?

http://forums.condosingapore.com/sho...dences/page526

leesg123
13-06-15, 14:57
WHAT'S the pricing for 3bedder?

Stampee
15-06-15, 00:34
WHAT'S the pricing for 3bedder?

about 1.3m above

catechins
16-06-15, 17:03
about 1.3m above


I thought 1.3mil is for 3bed premium?

Anyone went to the showroom recently?

MrTan
27-07-15, 21:21
http://www.sgproptalk.sg/2015/07/botanique-bartley-review.html

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Botanique @Bartley (Review)
By The Folks @PropTalk - July 27, 2015 No Comments

The wife and I were traveling along Macpherson Road yesterday and lo and behold, the sales gallery of Botanique @Bartley was staring at our faces as we drove towards Paya Lebar Road. Imagine our surprise as we have always assumed that the gallery would be located nearer to the actual site of the project.

For the uninitiated, the actual site of Botanique @Bartley is located on a corner plot where Bartley Road meets Upper Paya Lebar Road and next-door to the soon-to-TOP Bartley Residences.

The sales gallery/showflat, however, is located on an empty plot just before the intersection of Macpherson Road and Paya Lebar Road.
And since we are already here, the wife and I decided that we might as well go in and have a look!

Botanique @Bartley is a project by UOL Limited which consists of 797 units spread over nine 17-storey towers. It sits on a triangular-shaped plot of about 221,000sqft that slopes gradually down towards the Bartley Road/Upper Paya Lebar Road crossover. The currently expected TOP of the project is in 2019.

The 99-year leasehold development has apartment types ranging from 1-bedder to 3-bedroom Premium (or what's commonly known as "3+1"). For those who need 4 or more bedrooms or are looking to buy penthouses, you may wanna give this one a miss.

Entry into the development would be from a slip road along Upper Paya Lebar Road. And as one would expect, Botanique @Bartley is your typical "full facility" project so you get the usual bells and whistles plus a few additional surprises such as a tennis court, which is absent from many new launches these days (as it occupies a fair bit of real estate) and the hilltop clubhouse with its private dining room - something that would be rather useful as you would soon realize why.

Parking wise, there would be a total of 803 lots (inclusive of 6 handicapped-lots) so it's basically the "one lot per apartment" gig that you get with new projects these days. And since there is no provision for visitor's lot, your friends whose coming to visit would be best advised to take public transport else they might have to try their luck with street parking outside the development.

The wife and I also noticed that Botanique @Bartley had supposedly garnered quite a few Asia Pacific property awards, which the developer have proudly displayed in the sales gallery.

We were also told by the marketing agent that the project has already sold about 460 units (i.e. more than 50%) to date, despite some stacks not released for sale yet. However, those sold are mainly the smaller 1- and 2-bedders.

For the purpose of this review, we would focus on one of the larger apartment type - the 3-Bedroom Premium (Type D1) unit, which is more commonly known as the "3+1" unit type.

At 1,033sqft, the first word that came to our minds is SMALL - which (sadly) would be a recurring theme in this review.

The first area that greeted us is the living/dining area, which despite being rectangular in shape (which is good), is probably just half the size of the living room of our current apartment (which is bad). So everything inside has to be small - from the sofa to the dining table, and you would probably not be doing a whole lot of big entertaining in your own home as hosting more than 6 people would make things a tad claustrophobic and as such, this is when the private dining room in the hilltop clubhouse would come in handy. The ceiling height at 2.85m is also nothing much to be excited about.

However, one consolation is the good-quality marble floor that that comes with the unit, which is a pleasant surprise especially when even the higher-end projects (e.g. d'Leedon and Sky Habitat) these days have homogeneous-tile flooring.

The kitchen is again a narrow strip of area but the biggest problem we have is not with its size rather the lack of window for ventilation, which means the smoke/smell of your cooking has no escape other than into the living room and laundry area. However, the poor kitchen design is compensated somewhat by the high-end kitchen appliances (from Smeg) and the extra frills (e.g. Smeg coffee maker and Vintec wine fridge) that are provided.

There is no yard to speak of but you do get a laundry area located at the end of the kitchen where you could house the wash machine and build some storage cupboards (the ones you see in the photo are not included).

The laundry area opens on the right into a small toilet (which is similar to the ones you usually find in most yard areas) which in turn allows you access to the "plus 1", which is a small room that would probably be used to house the domestic helper or as a study. Although we had termed this room "small", it is actually very generous if used as helper's accommodation and best of all, it also comes with proper windows - which you usually don't find at other projects. The wife and I also liked this unique design as it provides you with an additional "pseudo en-suite" bedroom.

The two common bedrooms are (you guessed it) small - the photos actually paid them more compliments than they deserved in terms of size.

One of the bedroom is again "pseudo en-suite" as it is linked to the common bathroom - a feature we liked - but you would have to always remember to lock the other access door from the walkway to prevent the wrong kinda exposure when you are using the toilet from within the bedroom.

We also liked the good-quality flooring in the bedrooms, which we were told is made of American White Oak.

The common bathroom is of adequate size and comes with a large set of windows for ventilation but it is not handicapped friendly as you are unlikely to be able to maneuver a wheelchair inside.The wife and I liked the color combination of the floor and wall tiles while the bathroom fittings (from Keramag and Hansgrohe) are not too shabby either. Alas, a rain-shower system would have make things complete.

The master bedroom will only leave you with walking space after fitting-in a King bed but you do get a monster-sized (compared to most other new projects anyway) wardrobe that should reduce the need for couple to argue over "who should get what space".

The master bathroom is almost an exact replica of the common bathroom in terms of look and feel but you do get the "rain shower" and a wall-mounted toilet with this one.

Pricing wise, there are only 4 stacks of 3-Bedroom Premium apartments in Botanique @Bartley and below are samples of prices for selected units in Stack #3, which is considered the best stack given its full pool-facing view:

- Unit 16-03: $1.426 million or $1,380psf
- Unit 12-03: $1.407 million or $1,362psf
- Unit 03-03: $1.367 million or $1,323psf

What we like:

1. Despite its small size, the apartment's layout is fully optimized and very functional.

2. You get not just one but THREE en suite bedrooms (albeit the other two being "pseudo en-suite"), which is definitely a strong selling point.

3. The good quality furnishing and fittings, which are akin to what you would expect from high-end projects.

4. Proximity (about a 5-minute walk) to the Bartley MRT station via a side-gate along Bartley Road.

5. The competitive pricing (both in terms of psf and quantum), which might account for the strong sales so far - the marketing person had kept harping on the fact that the fully-sold Bartley Residences that's next-door are currently reselling at around $1,500 - $1,800psf, which means you would already have made a paper-profit immediately upon purchase.

What we do not quite like:

1. Everything just screamed of "small" when comes to the 3-bedroom premium unit at Bontanique @Bartley - Call us "spoiled" if you wanna but the wife and I just couldn't imagine our family of 4 calling an interior space of about 1,000sqft "home". I have told the wife in jest that she would either be left with just a husband OR son as only one of us would probably survive after strangling each other over excessive noise output!

2. No window in the kitchen means the house would become a mini gas-chamber and smell like what you cook. And making Kung Pow Chicken would probably be a bad idea!

3. The lack of a proper yard or laundry drying area would mean that you would have to invest in a washing machine cum drying or alternatively, hang your laundry out to dry at the balcony. However, the wife and I were told that the development would have a laundromat so that might be the solution to all your laundry woes.

4. The lack of shelter from the development to Bartley MRT station would necessarily mean that it would either be a hot+sweaty or wet+bothered walk to the MRT.

5. The traffic along Bartley Road and Upper Paya Lebar Road are heavy especially during the morning and evening rush hours and as such, owners of units that face these busy stretch of roads would either have to be immune to traffic noises or keep their windows shut most of the time.

6. The wife and I could only identify one school - Maris Stellar High (Primary) - that is within 1-km of Botanique @Bartley. This may be a consideration for some parents when comes to primary school registration.

Our parting shot

The wife and I felt that Botanique @Bartley is indeed a quality project priced at reasonably attractive psf and quantum. As such, it would definitely warrant a visit by prospective buyers... provided that they are comfortable with small living spaces.

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eric3417
28-07-15, 06:23
http://www.sgproptalk.sg/2015/07/botanique-bartley-review.html

[QUOTE]

Botanique @Bartley (Review)
By The Folks @PropTalk - July 27, 2015 No Comments

The wife and I were traveling along Macpherson Road yesterday and lo and behold, the sales gallery of Botanique @Bartley was staring at our faces as we drove towards Paya Lebar Road. Imagine our surprise as we have always assumed that the gallery would be located nearer to the actual site of the project.

For the uninitiated, the actual site of Botanique @Bartley is located on a corner plot where Bartley Road meets Upper Paya Lebar Road and next-door to the soon-to-TOP Bartley Residences.

The sales gallery/showflat, however, is located on an empty plot just before the intersection of Macpherson Road and Paya Lebar Road.
And since we are already here, the wife and I decided that we might as well go in and have a look!

Botanique @Bartley is a project by UOL Limited which consists of 797 units spread over nine 17-storey towers. It sits on a triangular-shaped plot of about 221,000sqft that slopes gradually down towards the Bartley Road/Upper Paya Lebar Road crossover. The currently expected TOP of the project is in 2019.

The 99-year leasehold development has apartment types ranging from 1-bedder to 3-bedroom Premium (or what's commonly known as "3+1"). For those who need 4 or more bedrooms or are looking to buy penthouses, you may wanna give this one a miss.

Entry into the development would be from a slip road along Upper Paya Lebar Road. And as one would expect, Botanique @Bartley is your typical "full facility" project so you get the usual bells and whistles plus a few additional surprises such as a tennis court, which is absent from many new launches these days (as it occupies a fair bit of real estate) and the hilltop clubhouse with its private dining room - something that would be rather useful as you would soon realize why.

Parking wise, there would be a total of 803 lots (inclusive of 6 handicapped-lots) so it's basically the "one lot per apartment" gig that you get with new projects these days. And since there is no provision for visitor's lot, your friends whose coming to visit would be best advised to take public transport else they might have to try their luck with street parking outside the development.

The wife and I also noticed that Botanique @Bartley had supposedly garnered quite a few Asia Pacific property awards, which the developer have proudly displayed in the sales gallery.

We were also told by the marketing agent that the project has already sold about 460 units (i.e. more than 50%) to date, despite some stacks not released for sale yet. However, those sold are mainly the smaller 1- and 2-bedders.

For the purpose of this review, we would focus on one of the larger apartment type - the 3-Bedroom Premium (Type D1) unit, which is more commonly known as the "3+1" unit type.

At 1,033sqft, the first word that came to our minds is SMALL - which (sadly) would be a recurring theme in this review.

The first area that greeted us is the living/dining area, which despite being rectangular in shape (which is good), is probably just half the size of the living room of our current apartment (which is bad). So everything inside has to be small - from the sofa to the dining table, and you would probably not be doing a whole lot of big entertaining in your own home as hosting more than 6 people would make things a tad claustrophobic and as such, this is when the private dining room in the hilltop clubhouse would come in handy. The ceiling height at 2.85m is also nothing much to be excited about.

However, one consolation is the good-quality marble floor that that comes with the unit, which is a pleasant surprise especially when even the higher-end projects (e.g. d'Leedon and Sky Habitat) these days have homogeneous-tile flooring.

The kitchen is again a narrow strip of area but the biggest problem we have is not with its size rather the lack of window for ventilation, which means the smoke/smell of your cooking has no escape other than into the living room and laundry area. However, the poor kitchen design is compensated somewhat by the high-end kitchen appliances (from Smeg) and the extra frills (e.g. Smeg coffee maker and Vintec wine fridge) that are provided.

There is no yard to speak of but you do get a laundry area located at the end of the kitchen where you could house the wash machine and build some storage cupboards (the ones you see in the photo are not included).

The laundry area opens on the right into a small toilet (which is similar to the ones you usually find in most yard areas) which in turn allows you access to the "plus 1", which is a small room that would probably be used to house the domestic helper or as a study. Although we had termed this room "small", it is actually very generous if used as helper's accommodation and best of all, it also comes with proper windows - which you usually don't find at other projects. The wife and I also liked this unique design as it provides you with an additional "pseudo en-suite" bedroom.

The two common bedrooms are (you guessed it) small - the photos actually paid them more compliments than they deserved in terms of size.

One of the bedroom is again "pseudo en-suite" as it is linked to the common bathroom - a feature we liked - but you would have to always remember to lock the other access door from the walkway to prevent the wrong kinda exposure when you are using the toilet from within the bedroom.

We also liked the good-quality flooring in the bedrooms, which we were told is made of American White Oak.

The common bathroom is of adequate size and comes with a large set of windows for ventilation but it is not handicapped friendly as you are unlikely to be able to maneuver a wheelchair inside.The wife and I liked the color combination of the floor and wall tiles while the bathroom fittings (from Keramag and Hansgrohe) are not too shabby either. Alas, a rain-shower system would have make things complete.

The master bedroom will only leave you with walking space after fitting-in a King bed but you do get a monster-sized (compared to most other new projects anyway) wardrobe that should reduce the need for couple to argue over "who should get what space".

The master bathroom is almost an exact replica of the common bathroom in terms of look and feel but you do get the "rain shower" and a wall-mounted toilet with this one.

Pricing wise, there are only 4 stacks of 3-Bedroom Premium apartments in Botanique @Bartley and below are samples of prices for selected units in Stack #3, which is considered the best stack given its full pool-facing view:

- Unit 16-03: $1.426 million or $1,380psf
- Unit 12-03: $1.407 million or $1,362psf
- Unit 03-03: $1.367 million or $1,323psf

What we like:

1. Despite its small size, the apartment's layout is fully optimized and very functional.

2. You get not just one but THREE en suite bedrooms (albeit the other two being "pseudo en-suite"), which is definitely a strong selling point.

3. The good quality furnishing and fittings, which are akin to what you would expect from high-end projects.

4. Proximity (about a 5-minute walk) to the Bartley MRT station via a side-gate along Bartley Road.

5. The competitive pricing (both in terms of psf and quantum), which might account for the strong sales so far - the marketing person had kept harping on the fact that the fully-sold Bartley Residences that's next-door are currently reselling at around $1,500 - $1,800psf, which means you would already have made a paper-profit immediately upon purchase.

What we do not quite like:

1. Everything just screamed of "small" when comes to the 3-bedroom premium unit at Bontanique @Bartley - Call us "spoiled" if you wanna but the wife and I just couldn't imagine our family of 4 calling an interior space of about 1,000sqft "home". I have told the wife in jest that she would either be left with just a husband OR son as only one of us would probably survive after strangling each other over excessive noise output!

2. No window in the kitchen means the house would become a mini gas-chamber and smell like what you cook. And making Kung Pow Chicken would probably be a bad idea!

3. The lack of a proper yard or laundry drying area would mean that you would have to invest in a washing machine cum drying or alternatively, hang your laundry out to dry at the balcony. However, the wife and I were told that the development would have a laundromat so that might be the solution to all your laundry woes.

4. The lack of shelter from the development to Bartley MRT station would necessarily mean that it would either be a hot+sweaty or wet+bothered walk to the MRT.

5. The traffic along Bartley Road and Upper Paya Lebar Road are heavy especially during the morning and evening rush hours and as such, owners of units that face these busy stretch of roads would either have to be immune to traffic noises or keep their windows shut most of the time.

6. The wife and I could only identify one school - Maris Stellar High (Primary) - that is within 1-km of Botanique @Bartley. This may be a consideration for some parents when comes to primary school registration.

Our parting shot

The wife and I felt that Botanique @Bartley is indeed a quality project priced at reasonably attractive psf and quantum. As such, it would definitely warrant a visit by prospective buyers... provided that they are comfortable with small living spaces.

[UNQUOTE]

Nowadays still got reasonably priced projects with affordable quantum with BIG living spaces?
Is the author from Mars or Venus???
Hello… This Spore le…
HK our role model ok…

LOL

StormyNormy
28-07-15, 08:21
Actually the author is just putting down his honest unbiased views objectively for the greater good. Especially breaking down the pros and cons of what they see. Im sure most people enjoy reading such writeup and even find it a useful supplement to what they know.

Xaviourz
03-11-15, 23:02
Which condo is better for investment and has better future development n growth?
botanique and sim urban oasis.

Arcachon
04-11-15, 01:14
13. Botanique at Bartley @ Upper Paya Lebar Road D19 - https://www.facebook.com/groups/902390973159885/ - 3 members

vtan
03-01-16, 13:03
Hi all,

We have just started a Facebook group for all Botanique residents. Please join our page here (https://www.facebook.com/groups/botaniqueatbartley/) if you've already bought a unit and are waiting for this project to TOP. We welcome all residents to share, discuss and follow the development of our new home, its facilities and any other information leading up to the TOP of this project.

Thank you!

mrling
26-01-16, 23:33
Botanique @ Bartley (http://www.sgpropertyportfolio.com/botanique-at-bartley/) is the best selling projects for a few quarters in 2015. Is Botanique at Bartley Showflat (http://www.sgpropertyportfolio.com/botanique-at-bartley/botanique-at-bartley-showflat/) still available?

unclesam
19-02-16, 13:19
Botanique at bartley showflat is still available

PropertySingapore
19-02-16, 17:55
Botanique at bartley showflat is still available


Botanique at Bartley (http://www.propertysales.sg/botanique-bartley/) showflat is off site at MacPherson. I have to mention that the showflat is beautiful.

micheling
15-04-16, 11:03
the stacks facing bartley secondary school - will it be noisy due to school?

Arcachon
11-04-19, 11:55
TOP

azeoprop
12-04-19, 23:54
TOP

The only project with dual independent entrance dual key units.