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princess_morbucks
13-06-14, 13:41
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SINGAPORE - No official statistics are available on vacancy rates in individual completed condominium projects. But BT's lensmen put together a snapshot of "dark condos" in Singapore when they photographed a selection of projects between 8pm and 9.30pm on weekdays in the last week of May, before the start of the school holidays - and it's a telling picture.

Nine of the 10 projects featured here were completed, that is, received Temporary Occupation Permit (TOP), between January and September last year. The 10th, Hilltops, was completed in 2011.

While a rise in vacancies can be seen as overcapacity reflecting a ramp-up in completions since last year and fervent property investment demand post-global crisis, other factors may also be at play for specific projects.

The 10 projects photographed are mostly in the Core Central Region, though a few are in city-fringe or suburban areas.

While the developments have a fair proportion of dark, or apparently unoccupied, units, the degree varies, as do the likely causes.

In a few cases, high vacancy is linked to low or even zero sales. In most cases, however, even where the condos had a high sales rate or were completely sold, there is sometimes noticeable vacancy.

In some cases, this may be due to a substantial time lag - as long as eight months in one case - between the project's TOP date and the handover of units to buyers as developers continued to add the finishing touches to meet the expectations of well-heeled buyers.
- See more at: http://business.asiaone.com/property/showcase/let-there-be-light-0#sthash.QciGiBDY.dpuf

lionhill
13-06-14, 13:48
"darkness" is a very unrealiable measurement of "vacancy".
From my window, I can always see that the nearby condo is almost
"dark" at night, however, I know it is popular and is at least 95% occuppied.

creative_vitamin
13-06-14, 14:30
"darkness" is a very unrealiable measurement of "vacancy".
From my window, I can always see that the nearby condo is almost
"dark" at night, however, I know it is popular and is at least 95% occuppied.

agree too.
its a very bad indicator of vacancies rates, in my district, its always dark at night, brightness again at late night eg 10 pm

radha08
13-06-14, 15:13
spent all their money to buy condo no money to buy lights:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

walkthetiger
13-06-14, 15:17
http://business.asiaone.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/2014/06/10/2014106_darkcondos.jpg


- See more at: http://business.asiaone.com/property/showcase/let-there-be-light-0#sthash.QciGiBDY.dpuf

........Absurd

Kelonguni
13-06-14, 15:26
Too many other explanations

1. International travellers' backup homes

2. Financial services worker OT

seletar
15-06-14, 09:42
http://sbr.com.sg/residential-property/news/chart-day-see-massive-spike-in-singapore%E2%80%99s-home-vacancy-rate#sthash.bf3K12jL.dpuf

Chart of the Day: See the massive spike in Singapore’s home vacancy rate

http://sbr.com.sg/sites/default/files/news/GraphTHURS.PNG

Large oversupply looms over private developers.

Analysts fear that the government’s efforts to scale down residential supply may not be enough to avert a looming oversupply in 2015 to 2017.

A report by Barclays Research noted that the vacancy rate could hit 9.9% by 2016 assuming an annual demand of 15,500 units

According to Barclays Research, “We believe this is testament to the looming oversupply in 2015-2017 as the government reiterated the reduced future supply will be ‘added to the existing large pipeline supply of more than 90,000 private residential units (including ECs)’.”

Here’s more from Barclays:

Private housing (including ECs) on the Confirmed List for 2H14 is down 15% h/h and 34% y/y to 3,915 units. The bulk of the supply is now made up by the Reserve List, which has also been scaled down and which is unlikely to be triggered for sale should market conditions continue to deteriorate.

We maintain our negative stance on the Singapore residential sector as we see an oversupply of private housing properties and expect prices to fall 20% by 2015E in view of an expected interest rate rise, coinciding with peak supply, and think the vacancy rate could reach a record 10% by 2016E.

walkthetiger
15-06-14, 11:02
http://sbr.com.sg/residential-property/news/chart-day-see-massive-spike-in-singapore%E2%80%99s-home-vacancy-rate#sthash.bf3K12jL.dpuf



We maintain our negative stance on the Singapore residential sector as we see an oversupply of private housing properties and expect prices to fall 20% by 2015E in view of an expected interest rate rise, coinciding with peak supply, and think the vacancy rate could reach a record 10% by 2016E.


We are in mid 14 only, 10% -15% is already seen. Just imagine another 20% from now, this is very very negative news indeed.

Yuki
15-06-14, 11:34
We are in mid 14 only, 10% -15% is already seen. Just imagine another 20% from now, this is very very negative news indeed.

I think all along isn't that what government hoped?

That the private property prices will be lowered significantly? I.stopped short of saying crash...

I never believed in soft landing... Coz if the investors started to panick... The sediments n behavior will be like stocks..suddenly everyone wants to sell.

The government desperately need voters..in 2016. They perhaps assumed they lost votes to majority of those who hasn't gotten their first hdb yet. They can't lower the hdb prices just like that..they have to depress the price of private then made the effects tickled down to hdb resale?

The upgraders not sure though..coz when the value of their hdb declined..the price to upgrade will be lesser if the price crashed to new low?

Random thoughts.:beats-me-man:

However if this is not their intended outcome.. Then my next question will be how come they build so many in the first place based on what statistics? Where did they get their number from?

How many is based on geninue homeowners and how many investors?

I posted a thread on the sums doesn’t add up in other section of this forum.

If there are so many projects selling less than 50%...N most in ocr..this tells us oversupply or what?

Arcachon
15-06-14, 12:36
I think all along isn't that what government hoped?

That the private property prices will be lowered significantly? I.stopped short of saying crash...

I never believed in soft landing... Coz if the investors started to panick... The sediments n behavior will be like stocks..suddenly everyone wants to sell.

The government desperately need voters..in 2016. They perhaps assumed they lost votes to majority of those who hasn't gotten their first hdb yet. They can't lower the hdb prices just like that..they have to depress the price of private then made the effects tickled down to hdb resale?

The upgraders not sure though..coz when the value of their hdb declined..the price to upgrade will be lesser if the price crashed to new low?

Random thoughts.:beats-me-man:

However if this is not their intended outcome.. Then my next question will be how come they build so many in the first place based on what statistics? Where did they get their number from?

How many is based on geninue homeowners and how many investors?

I posted a thread on the sums doesn’t add up in other section of this forum.

If there are so many projects selling less than 50%...N most in ocr..this tells us oversupply or what?

Try removing TDSR and you will know the answer.

AEC 2015, ASEAN countries do not need to pay ABSD, do not need VISA, what will happen.

Yuki
15-06-14, 12:40
Try removing TDSR and you will know the answer.

AEC 2015, ASEAN countries do not need to pay ABSD, do not need VISA, what will happen.

However.. Wouldn't that drive up the prices n defeats their original purpose?

teddybear
15-06-14, 12:59
Are you sure about this? Trying to find some confirmation. Will we see new rule to be introduced to replace this ABSD?


Try removing TDSR and you will know the answer.

AEC 2015, ASEAN countries do not need to pay ABSD, do not need VISA, what will happen.

radha08
16-06-14, 10:14
jokes aside...this is SCARY:scared-5:

eng81157
16-06-14, 10:43
I think all along isn't that what government hoped?

That the private property prices will be lowered significantly? I.stopped short of saying crash...

I never believed in soft landing... Coz if the investors started to panick... The sediments n behavior will be like stocks..suddenly everyone wants to sell.

The government desperately need voters..in 2016. They perhaps assumed they lost votes to majority of those who hasn't gotten their first hdb yet. They can't lower the hdb prices just like that..they have to depress the price of private then made the effects tickled down to hdb resale?

The upgraders not sure though..coz when the value of their hdb declined..the price to upgrade will be lesser if the price crashed to new low?

Random thoughts.:beats-me-man:

However if this is not their intended outcome.. Then my next question will be how come they build so many in the first place based on what statistics? Where did they get their number from?

How many is based on geninue homeowners and how many investors?

I posted a thread on the sums doesn’t add up in other section of this forum.

If there are so many projects selling less than 50%...N most in ocr..this tells us oversupply or what?

you forgot about the white paper's target of having an 8mil population

CCR
16-06-14, 11:04
GUARANTEED no over supply!

drive around Marina bay, BEach Road, Bugis, Shenton, One North, Juring East, Paya Lebar, Woodlands... can you see how many new office / commercial buildings are coming up?

One building easily take in 5000 people!
20 buildings = 100,000 working adults! +50% dependents! = 150,000 people coming in!

We are now at full employment, when all these buildings TOP in 2015/ 2016 who is going to work there? definitely the floodgate will open up!

Longer term - The whole marina area, Southern waterfront city, Paya lebar, Woodlands, Paya Lebar airbase area! why prepare all these land when we have full employment when population not going to increase?

so if 150,000 people in 3 years time meaning 50k per year. meaning 15k housing per year + 10k family formation due to marriages = 25k housing per year.

how to have over supply? the price dip is temporary, once backlog is met with housing and transport is solved, we will be moving towards 7m for sure!

That is the only way to grow!

Aging population is a real issue! we will definitely lose our edge if the average age goes up.... Singaporean above 40s all want to depend on passive income to relac one corner, who is going to work?

Ringo33
16-06-14, 11:38
only question is how much these people are willing to pay for living in these apartment.

walkthetiger
16-06-14, 14:21
I think all along isn't that what government hoped?

That the private property prices will be lowered significantly? I.stopped short of saying crash...

I never believed in soft landing... Coz if the investors started to panick... The sediments n behavior will be like stocks..suddenly everyone wants to sell.

The government desperately need voters..in 2016. They perhaps assumed they lost votes to majority of those who hasn't gotten their first hdb yet. They can't lower the hdb prices just like that..they have to depress the price of private then made the effects tickled down to hdb resale?

The upgraders not sure though..coz when the value of their hdb declined..the price to upgrade will be lesser if the price crashed to new low?

Random thoughts.:beats-me-man:

However if this is not their intended outcome.. Then my next question will be how come they build so many in the first place based on what statistics? Where did they get their number from?

How many is based on geninue homeowners and how many investors?

I posted a thread on the sums doesn’t add up in other section of this forum.

If there are so many projects selling less than 50%...N most in ocr..this tells us oversupply or what?

If the further 20% reduce in price really going to happen, it shows how much the price had been inflated after runaway. Government did not target PC specifically, but PC investment is one pillar that supported the overall price.

CCR
16-06-14, 14:25
once supply is tapered... demand remains, price will be stable or gradual increase

walkthetiger
16-06-14, 14:42
once supply is tapered... demand remains, price will be stable or gradual increase

Houses are built for people, population has to increase, runaway price must not happen again, price must be controllable. The rich and middle are doing fine, more than enough to settle well in Singapore, don't need much help to made them richer now.
Singapore is growing well, jobs opportunity are reasonably sound.
Just that the less wealthy group needs to receive more to narrow the gap.

akow
17-06-14, 09:56
Try removing TDSR and you will know the answer.

AEC 2015, ASEAN countries do not need to pay ABSD, do not need VISA, what will happen.

ABSD for Foreigners under Free Trade Agreements (FTAs):
Nationals and/or Permanent Residents of the following countries who fall within the scope of the respective FTAs will be accorded with the same treatment as Singapore Citizen.
Refer to IRAS website for details:

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=12822

teddybear
17-06-14, 11:21
Yes indeed! We should see a crash sooner or later! :rolleyes:


I think all along isn't that what government hoped?

That the private property prices will be lowered significantly? I.stopped short of saying crash...

I never believed in soft landing... Coz if the investors started to panick... The sediments n behavior will be like stocks..suddenly everyone wants to sell.

The government desperately need voters..in 2016. They perhaps assumed they lost votes to majority of those who hasn't gotten their first hdb yet. They can't lower the hdb prices just like that..they have to depress the price of private then made the effects tickled down to hdb resale?

The upgraders not sure though..coz when the value of their hdb declined..the price to upgrade will be lesser if the price crashed to new low?

Random thoughts.:beats-me-man:

However if this is not their intended outcome.. Then my next question will be how come they build so many in the first place based on what statistics? Where did they get their number from?

How many is based on geninue homeowners and how many investors?

I posted a thread on the sums doesn’t add up in other section of this forum.

If there are so many projects selling less than 50%...N most in ocr..this tells us oversupply or what?

teddybear
17-06-14, 11:23
No more 8M because of SOME people very loud complaint! Now may be target 5m by not approving many Employment passes when they come due? :beats-me-man:


you forgot about the white paper's target of having an 8mil population

eng81157
17-06-14, 11:25
No more 8M because of SOME people very loud complaint! Now may be target 5m by not approving many Employment passes when they come due? :beats-me-man:

nah, if garmen dare to put it down on a white paper, we can be sure it isn't merely an arbitary target or some lofty ambitions.

just a question of time when it comes to pass

stl67
17-06-14, 13:47
nah, if garmen dare to put it down on a white paper, we can be sure it isn't merely an arbitary target or some lofty ambitions.

just a question of time when it comes to pass

thought 6.9m will not happen. now if 8m really come, then must seriously consider buying more freehold properties.. use children, parents name to buy.
should buy somre more landed? where is the landed storm expert?

Yuki
17-06-14, 14:15
ABSD for Foreigners under Free Trade Agreements (FTAs):
Nationals and/or Permanent Residents of the following countries who fall within the scope of the respective FTAs will be accorded with the same treatment as Singapore Citizen.
Refer to IRAS website for details:

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=12822

So to summarise.. The list of countries will increase after 2015. We are looking at a very long list here.

Brunei Darussalam
Indonesia
Malaysia
Philippines
Thailand
Cambodia
Lao PDR
Myanmar
Myanmar
Viet Nam

That's why the foreign buyers are holding back now?

4wheels
17-06-14, 14:38
So to summarise.. The list of countries will increase after 2015. We are looking at a very long list here.

Brunei Darussalam
Indonesia
Malaysia
Philippines
Thailand
Cambodia
Lao PDR
Myanmar
Myanmar
Viet Nam

That's why the foreign buyers are holding back now?

then they will pay the ABSD similar to SC.

Yuki
17-06-14, 14:49
then they will pay the ABSD similar to SC.

But Cheaper than 15% right?

Arcachon
17-06-14, 14:49
then they will pay the ABSD similar to SC.

Foreigners under Free Trade Agreements (FTAs)
Nationals and/or Permanent Residents of the following countries who fall within the scope of the respective FTAs will be accorded with the same treatment as SCs.

Nationals and Permanent Residents of:-

Iceland
Liechtenstein
Norway
Switzerland
Nationals of:-

United States of America

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=12822#Foreigners under Free Trade Agreements (FTAs)

Waiting for Durian to drop will be very sad after AEC 2015.

http://www.bsp.gov.ph/downloads/Publications/FAQs/ASEAN.pdf

The Have and the Have Not.

They cannot tell you in layman word because then every layman will be buying.

They can't tell you about the money printing else everyone will be buying.

Arcachon
17-06-14, 14:54
No more 8M because of SOME people very loud complaint! Now may be target 5m by not approving many Employment passes when they come due? :beats-me-man:

Sorry to inform you after AEC 2015 500 million.

stl67
17-06-14, 15:12
Sorry to inform you after AEC 2015 500 million.

So if I am an Armerican and if i buy my first property, i dont have to pay any ABSD? It only applies for 2nd house right?

Arcachon
17-06-14, 15:41
So if I am an Armerican and if i buy my first property, i dont have to pay any ABSD? It only applies for 2nd house right?

You are equal to SC.

Yuki
17-06-14, 15:47
You are equal to SC.

if the American has a property back in US..then have to pay abs?

Arcachon
17-06-14, 15:52
if the American has a property back in US..then have to pay abs?

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/uploadedFiles/Other_Taxes_and_Services/Stamp_duty/xxx/ABSD%20for%20Residential%20Properties%20Declaration%20Form.pdf

3. DETAILS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OWNED PRIOR TO THIS PURCHASE / ACQUISITION

Warren49
17-06-14, 16:57
if the American has a property back in US..then have to pay abs?

Aiyo of course no need lah..... SG govt cant effectively check also.

Q23 I am a SC owning one house in Malaysia but none in Singapore. Is ABSD
payable when I buy my first residential property in Singapore?

Only residential properties in Singapore are included in the property count which is used to determine ABSD liability. As this is your first residential property in Singapore, ABSD is not payable.

stl67
17-06-14, 17:49
Aiyo of course no need lah..... SG govt cant effectively check also.

Q23 I am a SC owning one house in Malaysia but none in Singapore. Is ABSD
payable when I buy my first residential property in Singapore?

Only residential properties in Singapore are included in the property count which is used to determine ABSD liability. As this is your first residential property in Singapore, ABSD is not payable.

if like that very unfair to SC because it will not be possible for GOV to check on the PRs if they have any properties back home. effectively, they pay 7% ABSD lesser... not fair right..sianz

Warren49
17-06-14, 19:34
if like that very unfair to SC because it will not be possible for GOV to check on the PRs if they have any properties back home. effectively, they pay 7% ABSD lesser... not fair right..sianz

The PR will tell you he/she is paying 5% on their 1st SG residential property, and the foreigner is paying 15%. While Singaporean's 1st SG residential property is not taxed.

reporter2
17-06-14, 22:04
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/archive/tuesday/premium/top-stories/dark-condos-shine-light-rising-vacancy-20140610

Published June 10, 2014

Dark condos shine light on rising vacancy

Suburban areas worst hit; softening rentals seen

By Kalpana Rashiwala

[email protected] @KalpanaBT


[SINGAPORE] As dusk descends upon the Singapore skyline, the excess capacity building up in the private housing market is evident. Dark patches in some condominium developments completed six to 12 months ago, or even longer, point to significant vacancy.

Analysts cite a host of factors, including strong investment demand for real estate after the global crisis, escalation in private home completions of late, and slower expatriate inflow. Vacancies are set to climb and rents fall in general. Suburban locations, where most of the supply is, will be the worst hit.

"If increasingly there are a lot of empty units," says Lee Lay Keng, DTZ regional head (SEA) research, "it could indicate we're not making the best use of our limited land resources."

After the global crisis, investors sought refuge in trusty assets such as real estate. Fuelled by the low interest rate environment, some took to hoarding property at new launches and are hence not bothered whether they can find a tenant after taking possession of their units, say observers. Some high net worth foreign buyers treat their Singapore property as a holiday home and leave it unoccupied most of the time.

But there are others who leave units vacant because they are not able to find tenants. As Ms Lee notes: "Competition for tenants is increasingly intense, with both demand and supply factors at work. On the demand side, changes in labour policies have slowed down the flow of foreign professionals into Singapore while on the supply side, there is a higher-than-average number of private home completions."

JLL national director Ong Teck Hui highlights that "those who bought for rental returns would find themselves in a more competitive leasing market today, where units in mediocre locations would be more difficult to lease and therefore remain vacant for a longer duration, especially during this period of strong supply".

Ku Swee Yong, CEO of Century 21, explains that those who acquired private homes, say in 2010, would already be sitting on profits. "If they bought for capital gains, they may prefer to keep their unit empty rather than rent it out because it is quite usual for a fresh tenant to have a clause in the lease agreement protecting them from viewings by the landlord in the first six or even 12 months."

R'ST Research director Ong Kah Seng says that, due to low rents, some owners have left their units empty, especially the cash-rich set who did not take any housing loan for their purchase. "A vacant unit may deteriorate faster but leasing it out at a low rent may not be feasible since it will incur high maintenance costs. High-end properties have the finest finishes, so maintenance and repair costs may be hefty. Selected fit-outs and finishings such as tiles may be of limited collection and difficult to replace if it is damaged by the tenant."

Developers left with unsold units, especially in the slow high-end segment, also contribute to vacancies as these projects are completed. Other factors may also be at play in specific projects. But the overall trend of rising vacancies and softening rents is clear amid climbing private home completions since last year.

The 13,150 private homes that received TOP last year was 27.3 per cent above the previous year's 10,329 and 40 per cent above the past 10-year average of 9,395. The figure for Q1 this year was 4,114 and the full-year tally is expected to hit 17,138, based on estimates submitted by developers to the Urban Redevelopment Authority. Thereafter, completions are slated to climb further to 21,738 next year and 26,252 in 2016 before easing the following year.

URA figures show that the pool of vacant private homes has risen to 19,284 at end-Q1 2014 from 18,003 at end-Q4 2013 and 14,532 at end-Q1 2013. The islandwide vacancy rate rose to 6.6 per cent at end-Q1 this year from 6.2 per cent a quarter earlier and 5.2 per cent at end-Q1 2013.

CBRE executive director (residential) Joseph Tan says that the latest quarter's increase could be due partly to families that had yet to move to the new homes that were completed in Q1.

Rising vacancies have been accompanied by softening rentals. For the first time since Q3 2009, URA's private home rental index contracted in Q4 last year. The index dipped 0.5 per cent quarter-on-quarter, followed by a further 0.7 per cent drop in Q1.

CBRE predicts a 5-8 per cent drop in rents generally this year. JLL predicts a 4-8 per cent decline; Century 21's Mr Ku reckons competition for tenants will drive rents down by 8-10 per cent, followed by a further drop of up to 25 per cent in 2015.

Against the backdrop of the large supply, says DTZ's Ms Lee, some landlords could become more flexible on their rents, particularly after the removal of the vacancy tax refund with effect from Jan 1, 2014. "Landlords now have to pay property tax on their vacant units and some may accept a lower rent and have the unit rented out instead of leaving it empty."

This could create downward pressure on rents.

JLL's Mr Ong predicts the vacancy rate could be around 7-9 per cent at end-2014.

Mr Ku reckons vacancy will head towards 7.5-8 per cent mid to late next year, adding that price drops are likely to be limited to 5-10 per cent per year - assuming the economy is fine.

Competition for tenants is likely to be more intense in suburban projects, as the bulk of completions last year as well as the potential supply pipeline are in Outside Central Region (OCR). URA's Q1 rental index for non-landed private homes in OCR was down 2.3 per cent from a year ago. This compares with a decline of 0.3 per cent for Core Central Region (CCR) and a rise of one per cent in Rest of Central Region (RCR).

Of the 67,507 homes under construction at end-Q1, about 59 per cent were in OCR, 22 per cent in RCR and 19 per cent in CCR. Four years earlier, of the slightly over 36,000 units under construction, the respective shares were 30, 36 and 34 per cent, notes JLL's Mr Ong. "The heavy buying in OCR in the past few years has resulted in units under construction in this submarket surging 270 per cent over the past four years. While it is true that a high proportion of purchases in OCR is for owner-occupation, the level of investment purchases in the past few years has also been substantial.

"Based on rental contracts registered last year, OCR's share of the leasing market was about 31 per cent. Hence, the disproportionate oncoming supply may be expected to impact on this submarket more significantly."

Ms Lee, too, expects a bigger impact on rents and vacancy rates in the suburbs, "although rental demand will still be supported by budget-conscious foreign professionals as the rental quantum for suburban condos is lower than city-fringe or prime condos".

Yuki
18-06-14, 07:39
Foreigners under Free Trade Agreements (FTAs)
Nationals and/or Permanent Residents of the following countries who fall within the scope of the respective FTAs will be accorded with the same treatment as SCs.

Nationals and Permanent Residents of:-

Iceland
Liechtenstein
Norway
Switzerland
Nationals of:-

United States of America

http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=12822#Foreigners under Free Trade Agreements (FTAs)

Waiting for Durian to drop will be very sad after AEC 2015.

http://www.bsp.gov.ph/downloads/Publications/FAQs/ASEAN.pdf

The Have and the Have Not.

They cannot tell you in layman word because then every layman will be buying.

They can't tell you about the money printing else everyone will be buying.

I find it amazing that the so called professional analyst missed this out if it's true.

So far none of the reports touched upon this.

But then again... it could be our speculation since the AEC will take some while.. Perhaps 10 years? before its effects on property could be felt.

Arcachon
18-06-14, 12:22
I find it amazing that the so called professional analyst missed this out if it's true.

So far none of the reports touched upon this.

But then again... it could be our speculation since the AEC will take some while.. Perhaps 10 years? before its effects on property could be felt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvYOxEkxYd4

He explain the property bubbles in a layman term.

Why there are ghost city in China.