View Full Version : Botannia (D5, 956 yr, CDL / Capitaland)
there are 2 kinds of rich people in spore ...
smart and rich ... they buy and live in good class bungalow , nice and serence (quiet).
rich only ... they buy ION ..so expensive , so noisy ..maybe they are lonely ..need to be near crowd and noise
But Botannia is near industries and factories which spill out so much pollution and also relatively near dusty expressways, I don't see GCBA environment there.
:tsk-tsk:. (You better hide in bomb shelter. :D)
erhmm... replace "Botannia" by "Infiniti", "Carabelle", "Montery Park", same qustion :)
(run and hide now... )
They all have shuttle bus to Clementi MRT, quite near to Nan Hua, and most importantly, highly affordable.
I think you misunderstood me or perhaps my posting is better direct to Propertieshunter. Let go back to our posting.
1. I commented everything were spendid in Botannia except the lack of chute and emphasize it my humble opinion.
2. I'm answering a question when someone ask if there a in-house chute.
None of my posting are judgemental as in commenting if one should buy or not buy due to lack of chute. See the differences between your post & mine?
PS: Ya, thats a nice avatar. My son put it up for me. It from a Macdonald advertisment and the lady was related to us. :)
Ok yes.. sometimes the replies crossed. Nevermind.. just comment and say what you believe in.
proud owner
18-08-09, 09:57
But Botannia is near industries and factories which spill out so much pollution and also relatively near dusty expressways, I don't see GCBA environment there.
hhmm i am not an owner of Infiniti, carabelle or botannia
BUT i went there about 2 mths ago before carabelle and botannia were TOP ..
i must say Botannia was my favorite ...
it is surprisingly quiet ...
stalingrad
18-08-09, 10:14
Quiet? There are so many other condos near facilities and yet still quiet and serene. Besides these few condos all somehow face the expressways, albeit further in a little but still get noise and dust, there are other far quieter and more serene condos surrounded by lush greenery.
why so opinionated? why don't you pay botannia and carabelle a visit to see for yourself. After the tours, which can be arranged by an agent if you pose as a potential buyer, you would not be so negative. In most parts of carabelle, you could hear a pin drop, and you would not hear any sound in and outside a unit. Botannia is also very quiet.
it is quite funny to see how people who bought botannia fight for botannia and people who bought carabella fights for carabella.
To me, it is really one man's meat and another man's poison. its it really matter if one is more expensive then the other? they are right next to each other, for goodness sake...
i like both, in fact i like montary park as well... and i am looking to pick up a unit there for own stay...
my 2 cents worth, they are all about the same, with minor difference in between each of them, but nothing worth killing each other for. i like that location and that area. doesn't matter if they are not exactly near shopping center bus interchange etc..etc...
it is a decent area that is not too expensive still...
exactly... after a while... all will look the same.... and price should be quite similar except for those west sun units and units facing the expressway (softer asking). Otherwise, it makes a little difference after a while (owner will try to beat each other's offer price).
jesmineang
18-08-09, 11:19
well, i dont understand why there is so much about whether which property is better.
As in you buy because you think it is good and you are willing to pay that kind of money for it. So why do you have to belittle others' decision...
I am sure there are factors whereby some think that botannia is better, some think that carabelle is better but they are both so different so how do you want to compare...
At the end of the day, i am sure no one will admit that their decision to buy the property they owned now is wrong. enough said.
Any stack in Botania is in a true N-S orientation?
stalingrad
18-08-09, 14:19
Just got off the phone with an agent. He said that the former hong leong garden condo will be launched by CDL at 1100 to 1200 psf. All the naysayers about botannia and carabelle should sit up and notice.
By the way, most units at the new condo will not be of the studio type. So the high prices can not be attributed to most units being the chicken coop mickey mouse type.
By the way, what I heard about pricing is from one agent only. Please take it with a grain of salt. but they should be some truth to it.
How to have upside in future when there are so many developments so close by in the future?
How to have upside in future when there are so many developments so close by in the future?
Developer can ask for what they want.. wait for market results.. which is the take up rate. Sometimes the market is irrational.
The area used to be classified as low end condo... quoting from http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=8116
Can have upside when it becomes the norm... so the gains goes to the earlier batch of buyers.
Developer can ask for what they want.. wait for market results.. which is the take up rate. Sometimes the market is irrational.
The area used to be classified as low end condo... quoting from http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=8116
Can have upside when it becomes the norm... so the gains goes to the earlier batch of buyers.
Think there is a mistake in the quote. Launch price for Botannia was already 700psf and during the March period this year, the aver was 680 psf
Just got off the phone with an agent. He said that the former hong leong garden condo will be launched by CDL at 1100 to 1200 psf. All the naysayers about botannia and carabelle should sit up and notice.
By the way, most units at the new condo will not be of the studio type. So the high prices can not be attributed to most units being the chicken coop mickey mouse type.
By the way, what I heard about pricing is from one agent only. Please take it with a grain of salt. but they should be some truth to it.
Hey pal, from my source, it won't be in the range of 1100 to 1200 as stated by you. Most likely won't be passing the 1000psf mark on the average 3 bedders. My guess would be 850 to 950 with some early bird gimmick going for 800+-. Any punter?
Time would tell. :p
There won't be any problem unless somebody complaint to the authority.
Anyway, most of the owners do the levelling. They are either don't care or act blur.
does anyone knoe what is reasonable $/psf for leveling(decking) the planter area? i rec'd a quote for $20/psf for chenai wood.
I asked for cheaper alternative like synthetic materials (like those used for the benches at the bbq area) but contractor says cannot be done...sounds credible?:rolleyes:
does anyone knoe what is reasonable $/psf for leveling(decking) the planter area? i rec'd a quote for $20/psf for chenai wood.
I asked for cheaper alternative like synthetic materials (like those used for the benches at the bbq area) but contractor says cannot be done...sounds credible?:rolleyes:
You may like to try to contact these 2 companies for composite decking.
http://www.nanoteakwood.com/compositeW.html
http://www.polydeck.biz/
Chengal decking has its pros and cons. I am using Chengai decking on my patio and i find slight cupping effect on some of the strips after half a year. Another common problem would be fading of the vanishing after a few months of sun and rain, depending on the type of varnish and layers applied.
I was keen on the composite decking but in the end we still go for Chengal wood because it shows the wood grains make makes it looks natural. And somehow it has a more natural feel on your feet.
I suggest you source around before confirming what type of decking you like to do. Bc if your area is big, it can be quite a investment.
PropertiesHunter
31-08-09, 10:53
The risk of a double-dip recession is rising
By Nouriel Roubini
Published: August 23 2009 18:55 | Last updated: August 23 2009 18:55
function floatContent(){var paraNum = "3"paraNum = paraNum - 1;var tb = document.getElementById('floating-con');var nl = document.getElementById('floating-target');if(tb.getElementsByTagName("div").length> 0){if (nl.getElementsByTagName("p").length>= paraNum){nl.insertBefore(tb,nl.getElementsByTagName("p")[paraNum]);}else {if (nl.getElementsByTagName("p").length == 3){nl.insertBefore(tb,nl.getElementsByTagName("p")[2]);}else {nl.insertBefore(tb,nl.getElementsByTagName("p")[0]);}}}}The global economy is starting to bottom out from the worst recession and financial crisis since the Great Depression. In the fourth quarter of 2008 and first quarter of 2009 the rate at which most advanced economies were contracting was similar to the gross domestic product free-fall in the early stage of the Depression. Then, late last year, policymakers who had been behind the curve finally started to use most of the weapons in their arsenal.
That effort worked and the free-fall of economic activity eased. There are three open questions now on the outlook. When will the global recession be over? What will be the shape of the economic recovery? Are there risks of a relapse?
On the first question it looks like the global economy will bottom out in the second half of 2009. In many advanced economies (the US, UK, Spain, Italy and other eurozone members) and some emerging market economies (mostly in Europe) the recession will not be formally over before the end of the year, as green shoots are still mixed with weeds (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/78414a66-6fc8-11de-b835-00144feabdc0.html). In some other advanced economies (Australia, Germany, France and Japan) and most emerging markets (China, India, Brazil and other parts of Asia (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9cb93ff2-772f-11de-b23c-00144feabdc0.html) and Latin America (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fcc5aed4-8ced-11de-a540-00144feabdc0.html)) the recovery has already started.
On the second issue the debate is between those – most of the economic consensus – who expect a V-shaped recovery (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/855b486a-8322-11de-a24e-00144feabdc0.html) with a rapid return to growth and those – like myself – who believe it will be U-shaped, anaemic and below trend for at least a couple of years, after a couple of quarters of rapid growth driven by the restocking of inventories and a recovery of production from near Depression levels.
There are several arguments for a weak U-shaped recovery. Employment is still falling sharply in the US and elsewhere – in advanced economies, unemployment will be above 10 per cent by 2010. This is bad news for demand and bank losses, but also for workers’ skills, a key factor behind long-term labour productivity growth.
Second, this is a crisis of solvency, not just liquidity, but true deleveraging has not begun yet because the losses of financial institutions have been socialised and put on government balance sheets. This limits the ability of banks to lend, households to spend and companies to invest.
Third, in countries running current account deficits, consumers need to cut spending and save much more, yet debt-burdened consumers face a wealth shock from falling home prices and stock markets and shrinking incomes and employment.
Fourth, the financial system – despite the policy support – is still severely damaged. Most of the shadow banking system has disappeared, and traditional banks are saddled with trillions of dollars in expected losses on loans and securities while still being seriously undercapitalised.
Fifth, weak profitability – owing to high debts and default risks, low growth and persistent deflationary pressures on corporate margins – will constrain companies’ willingness to produce, hire workers and invest.
Sixth, the releveraging of the public sector through its build-up of large fiscal deficits risks crowding out a recovery in private sector spending. The effects of the policy stimulus, moreover, will fizzle out by early next year, requiring greater private demand to support continued growth.
Seventh, the reduction of global imbalances implies that the current account deficits of profligate economies, such as the US, will narrow the surpluses of countries that over-save (China and other emerging markets, Germany and Japan). But if domestic demand does not grow fast enough in surplus countries, this will lead to a weaker recovery in global growth.
There are also now two reasons why there is a rising risk of a double-dip W-shaped recession. For a start, there are risks associated with exit strategies from the massive monetary and fiscal easing: policymakers are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If they take large fiscal deficits seriously and raise taxes, cut spending and mop up excess liquidity soon, they would undermine recovery and tip the economy back into stag-deflation (recession and deflation).
But if they maintain large budget deficits, bond market vigilantes will punish policymakers. Then, inflationary expectations will increase, long-term government bond yields would rise and borrowing rates will go up sharply, leading to stagflation.
Another reason to fear a double-dip recession is that oil, energy and food prices are now rising faster than economic fundamentals warrant, and could be driven higher by excessive liquidity chasing assets and by speculative demand. Last year, oil at $145 a barrel was a tipping point for the global economy, as it created negative terms of trade and a disposable income shock for oil importing economies. The global economy could not withstand another contractionary shock if similar speculation drives oil rapidly towards $100 a barrel.
In summary, the recovery is likely to be anaemic and below trend in advanced economies and there is a big risk of a double-dip recession.
The writer is professor of economics at the Stern School of Business, NYU
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Hi Guys,
Any update on this development? seem like the asking price for the pool facing unit had gone higher and higher.:doh:
look like really had to invest in the TOTO this friday in order to get a unit here. :(
jesmineang
23-09-09, 10:57
Hi Guys,
Any update on this development? seem like the asking price for the pool facing unit had gone higher and higher.:doh:
look like really had to invest in the TOTO this friday in order to get a unit here. :(
lost track of the prices. so how high are the pool facing units now. but seemed like not many units facing inwards are occupied.
http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/common/mast_home.gif
Bullish mood returns with a vengeance
HK stock, real estate markets rising sharply to pre-crisis peak levels
Shu-Ching Jean Chen
The Straits Times
Wednesday, 23 September 2009
http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20090923/bullish.jpg
One could hardly tell the global economy was in a funk from how funds are piling back into the stock market.
It was the start of yet another hectic morning.
The pace was just as frenzied at banks and brokerages, with Hong Kongers from all walks of life - housewives, salaried men, career women and grey-haired senior citizens - making a beeline for new share issues by Chinese firms listing in the Hong Kong market.
One could hardly tell the global economy was in a funk from how funds are piling back into the stock market, especially Chinese initial public offerings (IPOs). For instance, demand for the IPO of Sinopharm - China's largest pharmaceutical distributor - was so overwhelming it exceeded shares available to the public by over 500 times, a dizzying figure even in boom times.
Stocks and real estate have always been the best barometers of Hong Kong's economy. And both are on an upturn as the region recovers from the downturn.
A few months ago, few expected the Hang Seng Index to rise above 16,000 points. But not only has the index bounced back from the trough of below 11,000 points, it has also surged to over 21,000 points - surpassing its level before the collapse of Lehman Brothers. Now, some analysts are predicting stratospheric levels of 30,000 points.
In real estate, prices have also climbed back up to near pre-crisis peak levels, fuelled by factors such as cheap money and cashed-up mainland buyers. The largest gain so far was registered in luxury properties, such as the record sale this month of a one-bedroom flat in Tsim Sha Tsui for a cool HK$24.5 million (S$4.5 million). Buoyed by the rebound, developer Sun Hung Kai put on sale last week two penthouses for a record HK$300 million each.
Mr Cody Leung, Senior Investment Strategist at Quam Securities, suggests that Hong Kongers have turned to buying Chinese shares and real estate to fight deflation.
They are helped by a recent tsunami of hot money inflows, mainly from China, to the tune of HK$200 billion that is clogging the local banking system, which has a usual liquidity level of below HK$1 billion. 'In the past, money from Europe and the United States was the major driver of the Hong Kong market. But now, it is from China,' said Mr Marco Mak, head of Taifook Research.
Some, however, have warned of a brewing stock and housing bubble. While the Hong Kong government is expected to stick to its current loose monetary policy well into next year, it has no control over the direction of capital inflows which have fuelled these two segments. Such inflows can reverse if Beijing starts to rein in bank lending.
But for now, many prefer to look on the bright side. Signs of budding green shoots are also emerging in areas such as fixed investments. Exports and imports have also rebounded, with both up 11% in the second quarter.
Oh my!
The risk of missing a double-height top is also rising.
lost track of the prices. so how high are the pool facing units now. but seemed like not many units facing inwards are occupied.
those pool facing are asking around 950psf to 980psf, and for the bank valuation is only around 900psf:doh:
Nice laundry already hanging on the balconies!! lovely....
jesmineang
29-09-09, 12:49
those pool facing are asking around 950psf to 980psf, and for the bank valuation is only around 900psf:doh:
omg... that's way high.
maybe that is the reasons the sales in 100tress is so good, as banks will difinitely match the developer selling price.
Hi Fed
Congratulations !!!!!
guess we can see your transacted price in the URA caveat next month :)
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showpost.php?p=59422&postcount=819
Hi Fed
Congratulations !!!!!
guess we can see your transacted price in the URA caveat next month :)
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showpost.php?p=59422&postcount=819
Could you let us know what price was the unit transacted at?
Could you let us know what price was the unit transacted at?
Yes, his could be the 1st unit in Botannia to cross the S$900psf mark :) :cheers6: mark down his unit number for clarification later
Thanks Simi,
Yes. just sold mine at $910 psf. just signed option letter today. :)
Thanks Simi,
Yes. just sold mine at $910 psf. just signed option letter today. :)
Hi Fed
after receiving your good news this morning
i have called my agent to put my unit back onto the market.:)
Thanks Simi,
Yes. just sold mine at $910 psf. just signed option letter today. :)
Congrats Fed. Good price for your 3b/r pool facing unit.I believe its the first to cross $900psf mark. So now 2b/r will be asking higher $psf.
Congrats Fed. Good price for your 3b/r pool facing unit.I believe its the first to cross $900psf mark. So now 2b/r will be asking higher $psf.
Will try, selling with tenancy :ashamed1: :ashamed1:
Congrats Fed. Good price for your 3b/r pool facing unit.I believe its the first to cross $900psf mark. So now 2b/r will be asking higher $psf.
The cheapest two bedded that i know of is asking around 910psf, its at stack 11, facing Carebelle. and that price is almost 2 weeks ago.
stalingrad
02-10-09, 13:46
The cheapest two bedded that i know of is asking around 910psf, its at stack 11, facing Carebelle. and that price is almost 2 weeks ago.
If hundred trees can sell for 900+ psf, botannia owners should ask for 1000+.
there had been three transaction above S$900psf, seems like S$1,000psf is near.
there had been three transaction above S$900psf, seems like S$1,000psf is near.
Who knows? Maybe you will be right soon?
Botannia
Address .................................... psf .............. Area ........... Price ............... Contract Date
31 West Coast Park #06-23 ..... $906 psf ..... 1,249 sqft ... $1,131,000 ...... 17 Nov 09
29B West Coast Park #08-22 ... $860 psf ..... 1,313 sqft ... $1,129,000 ...... 17 Nov 09
29 West Coast Park #07-12 ..... $870 psf ..... 1,259 sqft ... $1,096,000 ........ 5 Nov 09
29 West Coast Park #11-11 ..... $966 psf ....... 818 sqft ...... $790,000 ........ 5 Nov 09
27 West Coast Park #07-03 ..... $854 psf ..... 1,582 sqft ... $1,351,000 ...... 3 Nov 09
blackjack21trader
11-03-10, 07:04
Who knows? Maybe you will be right soon?
Botannia
Address .................................... psf .............. Area ........... Price ............... Contract Date
31 West Coast Park #06-23 ..... $906 psf ..... 1,249 sqft ... $1,131,000 ...... 17 Nov 09
29B West Coast Park #08-22 ... $860 psf ..... 1,313 sqft ... $1,129,000 ...... 17 Nov 09
29 West Coast Park #07-12 ..... $870 psf ..... 1,259 sqft ... $1,096,000 ........ 5 Nov 09
29 West Coast Park #11-11 ..... $966 psf ....... 818 sqft ...... $790,000 ........ 5 Nov 09
27 West Coast Park #07-03 ..... $854 psf ..... 1,582 sqft ... $1,351,000 ...... 3 Nov 09
Now back in 2008, I told u this place is a gem worth more than $1000psf but some here sneered and laughed at me. One even challenged me openly to a bet. Now i am telling you, I just sold my infiniti to realise my gains. BUT I AM HOLDING TIGHT TO MY BOTANNIA. I shall not consider selling until the RWS completed running for 2 years. Mark this post again, those that sneered at me before.:tsk-tsk:
Why would someone who owns many properties and earning a lot from properties be bothered to be in this thread and D5 ? Obviously, this is a hidden gem to you and you know it and just do not want others to find out about it.
The resale in this West Coast area (Botannia, The Infiniti, Carabelle, etc.) is still relatively cheap compared with the rest of the primary sale in Singapore, I think there is an opportunity for return if you can hold for a period of at least 1-2 years.
Unfortunately, I am not vested in District 5. :(
stalingrad
11-03-10, 11:37
The resale in this West Coast area (Botannia, The Infiniti, Carabelle, etc.) is still relatively cheap compared with the rest of the primary sale in Singapore, I think there is an opportunity for return if you can hold for a period of at least 1-2 years.
Unfortunately, I am not vested in District 5. :(
Not too late. we welcome you to be our neighbor. wait any longer, it will hit 1,500 psf.
just take a plunge. If you dare, that is.
Now back in 2008, I told u this place is a gem worth more than $1000psf but some here sneered and laughed at me. One even challenged me openly to a bet. Now i am telling you, I just sold my infiniti to realise my gains. BUT I AM HOLDING TIGHT TO MY BOTANNIA. I shall not consider selling until the RWS completed running for 2 years. Mark this post again, those that sneered at me before.:tsk-tsk:
Hi Blackjack21trader
I am holding onto it too :cheers6: :cool-punk-headbange
Hi Blackjack21trader
I am holding onto it too :cheers6: :cool-punk-headbange
Me too holding onto a vacant Infiniti...:doh:
:sleep: :sleep:
twinstar3393
12-03-10, 13:04
Hi, hv been following closely to this thread for useful and solid information by the owners/investors/speculators etc. Does anyone has any information what is going to happen to the tree bank in the future? went to view some units facing the tree bank and enjoy the breeze but hubby is skeptical about the future development. Agents told us that from what they understand from the developer, there would not be any development in the nx 10 years, at least. Is that what you think? Thanks heaps for sharing in advance.
Hi, hv been following closely to this thread for useful and solid information by the owners/investors/speculators etc. Does anyone has any information what is going to happen to the tree bank in the future? went to view some units facing the tree bank and enjoy the breeze but hubby is skeptical about the future development. Agents told us that from what they understand from the developer, there would not be any development in the nx 10 years, at least. Is that what you think? Thanks heaps for sharing in advance.
Currently is the state land, nobody will know what is going to happen to the tree bank, with the sport field adding together, it can be a big development if government decide to release the land for sales.
proud owner
12-03-10, 21:25
Currently is the state land, nobody will know what is going to happen to the tree bank, with the sport field adding together, it can be a big development if government decide to release the land for sales.
Tree banks are there for a few reasons ..
1. growing tree for use throughout singapore, ever wonder where Npark gets their matured trees ?
2. going green, oxygen level etc ..to neutralise the not so nice air there
3. harden the ground, to prevent erosion
once all the trees are matured and relocated, used in island wide landscaping .. and ground has hardened/ strengthened .. it can then be use for heavy stuff.... like a big tall building
there are many such tree banks in spore ..
along AMK ave 5 ? near Luxus Hill
along east coast, across ECP, opposite Silversea, Seafront@Meyer
remember when mariner south ? ...used to be a tree bank too .. to harden the ground ..then all removed .. for kite flying .. after all these yrs ..ground is solid already .. can support tall buildings ...
isnt that the plan for mariner south ? some residential area as well ?
blackjack21trader
13-03-10, 12:15
Tree banks are there for a few reasons ..
1. growing tree for use throughout singapore, ever wonder where Npark gets their matured trees ?
2. going green, oxygen level etc ..to neutralise the not so nice air there
3. harden the ground, to prevent erosion
once all the trees are matured and relocated, used in island wide landscaping .. and ground has hardened/ strengthened .. it can then be use for heavy stuff.... like a big tall building
there are many such tree banks in spore ..
along AMK ave 5 ? near Luxus Hill
along east coast, across ECP, opposite Silversea, Seafront@Meyer
remember when mariner south ? ...used to be a tree bank too .. to harden the ground ..then all removed .. for kite flying .. after all these yrs ..ground is solid already .. can support tall buildings ...
isnt that the plan for mariner south ? some residential area as well ?
Good post! You reminded me of something..I gotta do some DD now :) Thanks again
Hi Blackjack21trader
I am holding onto it too :cheers6: :cool-punk-headbange
You'll be holding on for a while.
Botannia has an average capital gain of 3.2% (Wow!!) :scared-4:
Infiniti is 7.78% and Carabelle is 7.97%
Rental yeilds are also higher.
At last, Botannia climb to S$1,000psf :cheers1:
31A West Coast Park #05-29
956 Yrs From 27/05/1928
$1000
840
$840k
09 Apr 10
Me too holding onto a vacant Infiniti...:doh:
:sleep: :sleep:
Sold @960k 1238sqft. Facing AYE. initially want to flip 900-920k,cant flip til exercise. And sold higher
Sold @960k 1238sqft. Facing AYE. initially want to flip 900-920k,cant flip til exercise. And sold higher
Which block uh?? I'm staying in one facing inside...
Which block uh?? I'm staying in one facing inside...
39A #07-02
39A #07-02
How do u know??
39A #07-02
Yup,that right. Lodged in alrdy
Just curious why Botannia is now the most search condo at property guru?
bargain hunter
25-10-10, 11:07
coz the agents who are selling there keeps clicking on it? LOL. :beats-me-man:
Just curious why Botannia is now the most search condo at property guru?
coz the agents who are selling there keeps clicking on it? LOL. :beats-me-man:
If it is agent, then I would expect more click on development like The Parc since there are a few hundred units on the market for sale and rent.
3 bedder unit at botannia sold for 1092psf in oct10. I presume this must be a record price?
stalingrad
03-11-10, 10:27
3 bedder unit at botannia sold for 1092psf in oct10. I presume this must be a record price?
see whether the 1100psf mark will be pierced anytime soon.
see whether the 1100psf mark will be pierced anytime soon.
1 unit was transacted at $1100psf in dec10. with all the activities happening at Jurong Lake, I reckon Botannia could hit $1200 psf by end of the year.
Dear Residents?
thinking of getting a unit in Botannia.
any parking lot issues here?
are there owners who own 2 cars per unit?
thanks
Was offered S$1200psf
turned it down 2 weeks ago
BlackJack21trader , thanks :)
mine is the 904 sq ft
kingkong1984
23-05-11, 05:12
Really so good meh? Not near mrt leh.
If really so, severe asset inflation?
50% increase from launched prices not good enough?
The roller coaster is going downhill soon.
Was offered S$1200psf
turned it down 2 weeks ago
BlackJack21trader , thanks :)
mine is the 904 sq ft
having the same floor size as yours, was offered the same price weeks ago, but, still not keen to sell yet.
:cheers1:
It could be the same buyer. Both of you can collaborate and lelong to bring up the psf for the west coast area.
The roller coaster is going downhill soon.
A lot of people waiting...
:)
If you visit the showflats, especially 99LH condos and MMs, I think its the other way - up for property. Many people are still buying due to low interest rates and inflation.
With the construction industry going at full speed in the next 1-2 years for BTOs, ECs, condos and infrastructure (MRT, hubs) etc, our economy is more or less buffered during this period.
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But Forest Kill not selling well leh.
I havent been to that show flat yet. Too far out in the west/forest, even though sometimes I stay in the west...
Really so good meh? Not near mrt leh.
If really so, severe asset inflation?
50% increase from launched prices not good enough?
The roller coaster is going downhill soon.
Been to the place several times, and I really like the design, landscaping the spaciousness.
There are several reasons why I think price of Botannia will continue to push upward.
1) proximity to Jurong Lake district (2km) and One North area (5km)
2) Future development for Hong Leong Garden shopping Center.
3) Proximity to Nan Hua Primary, which is good for family with kids
Thats just my guess
having the same floor size as yours, was offered the same price weeks ago, but, still not keen to sell yet.
:cheers1:
Hi Carlovers
I was keen to sell but my wife not :doh:
mine, presently rented out.
Hi Carlovers
I was keen to sell but my wife not :doh:
mine, presently rented out.
mine too is rented out. :D
my case is my wife wanted to sell, but i :tsk-tsk:
rattydrama
25-05-11, 20:39
mine too is rented out. :D
my case is my wife wanted to sell, but i :tsk-tsk:
how long u take to find a tenant?
how long u take to find a tenant?
found within 2 weeks when i tell my agents i'm renting out my unit, but, negotiating the rental for another week, so, total takes about three weeks to secure the tenant.
rattydrama
27-05-11, 21:09
found within 2 weeks when i tell my agents i'm renting out my unit, but, negotiating the rental for another week, so, total takes about three weeks to secure the tenant.
that is very fast.
congrats.
2 bedder unit just sold for 1190psf...CM5 coming soon?
2 bedder unit just sold for 1190psf...CM5 coming soon?
Hi Jadey
what is CM5 ? :ashamed1:
should be that same buyer who offered Carlovers and myself for our units weeks ago.
1st 2 bedroom apartment over at Botannia to cross the million dollar mark.:cheers6:
Hi Jadey
what is CM5 ? :ashamed1:
should be that same buyer who offered Carlovers and myself for our units weeks ago.
1st 2 bedroom apartment over at Botannia to cross the million dollar mark.:cheers6:
Cooling measures 5.
Cooling measures 5.
Ho Ho Ho, 2bedded selling cross the $1200psf at $1225psf. :cheers5:
1300psf on the way now. :cheers2:
When the new condo at Hong Leong Shopping Center is launched, $1300 psf+ for 2 bedder is possible, provided there is no major retrenchments next year.
Record price for 3bedder last month. 1200psf for top floor unit.
Two major launches in the pipeline should pull up the psf in D5:
plot beside Jurong East MRT and plot at the Hong Leong Garden Shopping Center. Hundred Trees has already hit $1300 psf for 2+1 bedder.
Market is moving up much faster than I expected. Many people are buying properties as an investment, a form of forced savings or a hedge against future price rise.
Two major launches in the pipeline should pull up the psf in D5:
plot beside Jurong East MRT and plot at the Hong Leong Garden Shopping Center. Hundred Trees has already hit $1300 psf for 2+1 bedder.
Market is moving up much faster than I expected. Many people are buying properties as an investment, a form of forced savings or a hedge against future price rise.
I think we should re-look into re-sales market. I am thinking of The Parc Condominium that sits relatively near (walking distance) to Hundred trees and a driving distance to Seahill and Sorrento.
This development has greater accessibilities to Clementi town, and public transportation network with nearby schools and amentities.
Ready development is worthy to have our attention; be it investor or home owners.
I think we should re-look into re-sales market. I am thinking of The Parc Condominium that sits relatively near (walking distance) to Hundred trees and a driving distance to Seahill and Sorrento.
This development has greater accessibilities to Clementi town, and public transportation network with nearby schools and amentities.
Ready development is worthy to have our attention; be it investor or home owners.
why would you want to buy a property that is driving distant for Seahill and Sorrento? What does these 2 projects got to do with people living at the Parc?
FYI, not every block at the Parc is within 1km to Nan Hua. And if you are a light sleeper, you might want to avoid the Parc due to the traffic noise.
why would you want to buy a property that is driving distant for Seahill and Sorrento? What does these 2 projects got to do with people living at the Parc?
FYI, not every block at the Parc is within 1km to Nan Hua. And if you are a light sleeper, you might want to avoid the Parc due to the traffic noise.
Hi. I am just illustrating the reach-out for nearby developments. If we comparing them in perspective; the other two are not that accessible to mature town like clementi, but they somehow falls in the same area/district yet the difference could be that much.
I am unsure how noisy can it be for The Parc condominium, however I reckon it will be very same for other developments like Hundred Trees and Hong Leong, Carabella and Infiniti etc; they are sitting along the AYE belt anyway.
Hi. I am just illustrating the reach-out for nearby developments. If we comparing them in perspective; the other two are not that accessible to mature town like clementi, but they somehow falls in the same area/district yet the difference could be that much.
I am unsure how noisy can it be for The Parc condominium, however I reckon it will be very same for other developments like Hundred Trees and Hong Leong, Carabella and Infiniti etc; they are sitting along the AYE belt anyway.
Not sure about Sorrento, for Seahill, their selling point is next to west coast park, seaview, and they have service apartment room service, skypool, good accessibility to west coast highway and walking distant for West Coast Plaza. So you indirectly comparing apple to orange.
Not sure about Sorrento, for Seahill, their selling point is next to west coast park, seaview, and they have service apartment room service, skypool, good accessibility to west coast highway and walking distant for West Coast Plaza. So you indirectly comparing apple to orange.
Hi. You could be right that my comparison matrix is abit biased.
The distance to west coast plaza or west coast market is also achievable from The Parc Condominium. If we see it positively, we can also reach the West Coast park by cycling or a few bus stop; we could just cross the road to the ESSO station and cut through the HDBs to access to the West coast park diagonally by foot or cycling, or at worst take a bus with 1-2 bus station. Travelling by car will be much straight forward and would take less than 5 minutes.
Generally, I feel The Parc Condominium would be a more practical place for living & work.
Hi. You could be right that my comparison matrix is abit biased.
The distance to west coast plaza or west coast market is also achievable from The Parc Condominium. If we see it positively, we can also reach the West Coast park by cycling or a few bus stop; we could just cross the road to the ESSO station and cut through the HDBs to access to the West coast park diagonally by foot or cycling, or at worst take a bus with 1-2 bus station. Travelling by car will be much straight forward and would take less than 5 minutes.
Generally, I feel The Parc Condominium would be a more practical place for living & work.
The walking distant from the Parc Condo to west coast park is around 1.5km, while the seahill residences only need to cross the road from their side gate. A trip from the parc to west coast park and back will already be 3km. How to compare.
If 1.5km is near, why not compare the Parc to Mount Senai since its only 2km more than going to west coast park.
Anyway, there is already a thread about your interest in D05, perhaps you should limit your parc discussion there.
The walking distant from the Parc Condo to west coast park is around 1.5km, while the seahill residences only need to cross the road from their side gate. A trip from the parc to west coast park and back will already be 3km. How to compare.
If 1.5km is near, why not compare the Parc to Mount Senai since its only 2km more than going to west coast park.
Anyway, there is already a thread about your interest in D05, perhaps you should limit your parc discussion there.
Hi. I am just open this thread for broader discussion and choice(s) for people who might be interested in D05 development.
In a retrospective point of view, The Parc Condominium is well-positioned to serve the people with and without vehicle compared to development like Botannia where 1.5km will not get to anywhere I mentioned earlier.
Hi. I am just open this thread for broader discussion and choice(s) for people who might be interested in D05 development.
In a retrospective point of view, The Parc Condominium is well-positioned to serve the people with and without vehicle compared to development like Botannia where 1.5km will not get to anywhere I mentioned earlier.
There are plenty of reviews about the Parc Condo at Propertyguru already. Many are complaining about that the distant from MRT is not near (>>500m), HDB like MSCP, lift lobby, mickey mouse master bedroom, poor layout, next to HDB, constant noise for AYE, over 600units sharing limited facilities, congested road leading in and out of the condo. And I think The Parc doesnt even provide shuttle bus services to Clementi Mall. what happens when it rains or if you have elderly who couldnt climb overhead bridges?
Botannia has got its own charm as well lah. Big land, nice landscape/facilities, away from AYE, exclusive neighborhood, entire development is 1km from Nan Hua, 1.5km from JLD, Pandan Reservoir and direct connection to park connector which could lead you to JLD and Holland Village, some units will have unblock reservoir views. Botannia is definitely a much better place to live and relax, especially for families. a very popular development for expats.
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/singapore-condo-reviews/the-parc-condominium-960
Ya I would agree that The Parc is really accessible for transport and amenities.
One bus stop outside the north exit, plus another bus stop outside the south exit, both many buses brings you to most major places - direct bus to Vivo, MBS, Suntec, Orchard road, etc. Clementi Town/MRT/Mall e.g. Courts, NTUC, and the upcoming 10-screen we cineplex is just across the road about 200 meter, and 3 hawker food centers nearby (Clementi town, Ayer Raja and West coast).
Like that Botannia, which has a nice ambiance, and really good, though you may might need a car.
Hi. I am just open this thread for broader discussion and choice(s) for people who might be interested in D05 development.
In a retrospective point of view, The Parc Condominium is well-positioned to serve the people with and without vehicle compared to development like Botannia where 1.5km will not get to anywhere I mentioned earlier.
2bedder just transacted at 1327psf....
3 bedder 1281sqft transacted at $1327psf
blackjack21trader
06-02-13, 15:12
Just dun forget who ask you to buy Botannia in 2008 at 900psf:
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showpost.php?p=24640&postcount=361
Now 2013 I am telling you, if you have extra units here, unload some and start to buy up the D15 East Coast and D9 Singapore River area now before missing another boat.
Of course if you wish to keep all the units in the West also good la :)
Good Luck.
Just dun forget who ask you to buy Botannia in 2008 at 900psf:
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showpost.php?p=24640&postcount=361
Now 2013 I am telling you, if you have extra units here, unload some and start to buy up the D15 East Coast and D9 Singapore River area now before missing another boat.
Of course if you wish to keep all the units in the West also good la :)
Good Luck.
Many areas had witnessed similar growth since 08.
Not possible to trade due to absd.
Just dun forget who ask you to buy Botannia in 2008 at 900psf:
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showpost.php?p=24640&postcount=361
Now 2013 I am telling you, if you have extra units here, unload some and start to buy up the D15 East Coast and D9 Singapore River area now before missing another boat.
Of course if you wish to keep all the units in the West also good la :)
Good Luck.
Bro BJ, I think you need to get your 3rd eye check for cataract liao
your 3rd eye should be telling me that property around that area is going to shot through the roof when LTA officially announce the location of the West Coast mrt interchange, which should be located within 200m of Botannia. This is no ordinary station, in future it will be an interchange that will connect to JRL, CRL and CCL.
Have you also noticed 5 plots of empty LH land next to Botannia? what will happen when govern announce the MRT location and release those land for development?
Bro BJ, I think you need to get your 3rd eye check for cataract liao
your 3rd eye should be telling me that property around that area is going to shot through the roof when LTA officially announce the location of the West Coast mrt interchange, which should be located within 200m of Botannia. This is no ordinary station, in future it will be an interchange that will connect to JRL, CRL and CCL.
Have you also noticed 5 plots of empty LH land next to Botannia? what will happen when govern announce the MRT location and release those land for development?
better not leak anymore info liao. wait kenna marked.
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your 3rd eye should be telling me that property around that area is going to shot through the roof when LTA officially announce the location of the West Coast mrt interchange, which should be located within 200m of Botannia. This is no ordinary station, in future it will be an interchange that will connect to JRL, CRL and CCL.
?
Is there any CCL station near Botannia?
Is there any CCL station near Botannia?
I am pretty sure it will happen because government is planning to redevelop pasir panjang terminal into commercial hub, which is right in between Haw Par and West Coast station.
Bro BJ, I think you need to get your 3rd eye check for cataract liao
your 3rd eye should be telling me that property around that area is going to shot through the roof when LTA officially announce the location of the West Coast mrt interchange, which should be located within 200m of Botannia. This is no ordinary station, in future it will be an interchange that will connect to JRL, CRL and CCL.
Have you also noticed 5 plots of empty LH land next to Botannia? what will happen when govern announce the MRT location and release those land for development?
Bro Ringo, agree that these factors definitely ensure that there is potential for appreciation for Botannia. But aren't they a little long term? These aren't going to happen within the next few years. Property prices there will only 'shoot through the roof' a number of years later, when these are announced.
By the way, do you follow the skyscrapercity forums?
Bro Ringo, agree that these factors definitely ensure that there is potential for appreciation for Botannia. But aren't they a little long term? These aren't going to happen within the next few years. Property prices there will only 'shoot through the roof' a number of years later, when these are announced.
By the way, do you follow the skyscrapercity forums?
from now till then, many things will happen.
a) Oxley Newest Condo (former hong leong garden) will launch
b) MCL land will launch their condo at JE Mrt
c) JEM will TOP
d) MND BCA, NEA will move into Jurong Lake
e) Westgate TOP, Capitaland will move into Jurong Lake
f) Jurong hospital TOP
g) Genting Hotel TOP
h) Announcement of MRT alignment
i) Empty plot of land put on GLS.
Its a 999LH project, better buy when its only warm. When its hot, you will sweat and regret for not buying.
Is Bottania attractive to tenants? with the transportation not as convenient as other developments?
And few amenities in the area?
Is Bottania attractive to tenants? with the transportation not as convenient as other developments?
And few amenities in the area?
very popular with expat tenant with families.
very popular with expat tenant with families.
Ringo - You own a unit at Botannia right? You can expect more expats flowing to the west with the JLD and new international school.
phantom_opera
23-04-13, 14:17
2013-04-08 #XX-XX 829 1,400psf 2011-04-07 1,146 210,566 732 10.5
bought in 2011 April still can make 10.5% pa not bad
2013-04-08 #XX-XX 829 1,400psf 2011-04-07 1,146 210,566 732 10.5
bought in 2011 April still can make 10.5% pa not bad
when government announce West Coast MRT alignment, price will chiong to $1500-1600psf
#XX-XX 1,572sqft (4 bedder)
Bought 2010-03-01 $954psf $1.50m
Sold 2013-06-10 $1,368psf $2.15m
Profit $650,808 11.6% per year.
JLD effect??
Bought mine during lelong time when developer sold s$600~$650psf.
Bought mine during lelong time when developer sold s$600~$650psf.
still holding?
Bought mine during lelong time when developer sold s$600~$650psf.
bought mine after yours
July 2007
Subsequently bought and flip some in Carabelle. Bought prices range from $600, 650 and 700psf. Still holding a couple.
Just realize the some of the scenes of The Dream Makers CH8 drama were shot at Botannia.
Just realize the some of the scenes of The Dream Makers CH8 drama were shot at Botannia.
this is from episode 23
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/322/0w40.jpg
I also thought it looked familiar when I first saw the episode and it was later confirmed to be Botannia in the rolling credit. So nice and green...
Yes, one of the nicest condo around that is designed by MKPL
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/1_103.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/4_99.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/2_103.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/3_96.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/5_82.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/6_78.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/7_55.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/8_47.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/9_42.jpg
http://www.american-architects.com/files/projects/30041/images/600:w/10_45.jpg
My friend has just bought a unit there, 1.56M ($1,198 psf). He will get the key in 3 months. Let's see how fast your records will show.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/586784434841666/586791631507613/
# Project Name Address Area (sqm) Transacted Price ($) Unit Price (psf) Sale Date
1 BOTANNIA 27B West Coast Park #07-09 113 1500000 1233 17-May-16
2 BOTANNIA 29A West Coast Park #02-17 118 1430000 1126 10-May-16
3 BOTANNIA 33A West Coast Park #11-39 146 1820000 1158 5-May-16
4 BOTANNIA 27A West Coast Park #12-05 250 2330000 866 18-Mar-16
5 BOTANNIA 27B West Coast Park #06-08 115 1450000 117 18-Mar-16
6 BOTANNIA 33 West Coast Park #08-37 119 1370000 1070 20-Jan-16
http://propertycarrots.com/community/contactimporter/ref/73
My friend has just bought a unit there, 1.56M ($1,198 psf). He will get the key in 3 months. Let's see how fast your records will show.
Will be facing construction noise and dust from the new parc riviera condo and a few more empty plots next door though.
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highlander1984
06-07-17, 18:23
None of the listed yet.
Is there still any room for botannia appreciation? Given the potential/current developments in jgateway and possible west coast stn for cross island line?
C
Is there still any room for botannia appreciation? Given the potential/current developments in jgateway and possible west coast stn for cross island line?
C
No one can give you an answer. Property is a commodity subject to cycle.
There are too many properties now with MRT access easily, premium on this is not going to be high
highlander1984
07-07-17, 13:31
No one can give you an answer. Property is a commodity subject to cycle.
There are too many properties now with MRT access easily, premium on this is not going to be high
Thank you. I was just wondering with the upcoming Jgateway, thou already old news. It is still the biggest thing i Singapore/west side now. Was thinking if there is another future possible round of appreciations.
Thank you. I was just wondering with the upcoming Jgateway, thou already old news. It is still the biggest thing i Singapore/west side now. Was thinking if there is another future possible round of appreciations.
In fact, I am rather pessimistic about the local economy. The fundamental, if no one here can name the next PM, what is next we can think about!
From macro economy, I can't think of bright spots here. Cost of business is far too high than others. Local grads, I find, are getting very much more complacent. The younger ones, in general, have changed value, they don't believe in saving, but rather spend on tomorrow's earnings.
Next, property market, majority are buying for investment. Once the economy is bad, higher unemployment, they would be the weak holders.
I am now holding about 50% in liquid assets and left with about 50% in properties
In fact, I am rather pessimistic about the local economy. The fundamental, if no one here can name the next PM, what is next we can think about!
From macro economy, I can't think of bright spots here. Cost of business is far too high than others. Local grads, I find, are getting very much more complacent. The younger ones, in general, have changed value, they don't believe in saving, but rather spend on tomorrow's earnings.
Next, property market, majority are buying for investment. Once the economy is bad, higher unemployment, they would be the weak holders.
I am now holding about 50% in liquid assets and left with about 50% in properties
LKY know about the problem long ago. he has created the system where possible the country do not depends on the PM outcome.
I will be the first selling when the foundation is in trouble. Now 53 years ago still service the National.
highlander1984
10-07-17, 14:26
LKY know about the problem long ago. he has created the system where possible the country do not depends on the PM outcome.
I will be the first selling when the foundation is in trouble. Now 53 years ago still service the National.
Wait, coming back to Botannia. This is the year 2017, after all the threads i read about it. Can i ask anyone about the pros and cons of that condo (such a parc riveria building, new condo building riveria and etc) whether Botannia is still as attractive to live in? If not, any reasons why?
Thanks!
Have you seen Botannia? What's your initial feel? And your family's? Do you have a list of criteria for your next property? Stick to them as it helps you to focus and shortlist the suitable ones.
Based on zoning for Botannia, be prepared for more constructions in addition to Parc Riveria.
highlander1984
10-07-17, 14:45
Have you seen Botannia? What's your initial feel? And your family's? Do you have a list of criteria for your next property? Stick to them as it helps you to focus and shortlist the suitable ones.
Based on zoning for Botannia, be prepared for more constructions in addition to Parc Riveria.
Yeah, we visited a few units already.One facing both construction sites. One facing pool, with a small portion facing construction sites. (Reason why i gota look at these units is due to fengshui) Honestly, i feel it has that exclusive feel within the area. Esp surrounding houses are all landed or condos. But its a bit short (12 floors max) and seeing that practically all new establishments will tower over it abit sian. Maintenance is not cheap too, abt 390 per mth for a 3 bedder. Like the surroundings as it is insai west coast area but abit ulu. Need to take bus/drive out.but i definately looks like a condo (as compared to the parc which looks like hdb) other than that. Price is also a tad cheaper. Think it should be due to its inaccessibility. On a side note, i saw hundred trees in propertyguru selling. I dont know why is it so exp. even more so that the parc in terms of roughly same sized units.
Yeah, we visited a few units already.One facing both construction sites. One facing pool, with a small portion facing construction sites. (Reason why i gota look at these units is due to fengshui) Honestly, i feel it has that exclusive feel within the area. Esp surrounding houses are all landed or condos. But its a bit short (12 floors max) and seeing that practically all new establishments will tower over it abit sian. Maintenance is not cheap too, abt 390 per mth for a 3 bedder. Like the surroundings as it is insai west coast area but abit ulu. Need to take bus/drive out.but i definately looks like a condo (as compared to the parc which looks like hdb) other than that. Price is also a tad cheaper. Think it should be due to its inaccessibility. On a side note, i saw hundred trees in propertyguru selling. I dont know why is it so exp. even more so that the parc in terms of roughly same sized units.
Then you need to move on and continue searching. I remember when I got my first apartment, it was an immediate attraction. All stars were simply aligned and I just wanted to throw the cheque at the property agent. There wasn’t any but or what-if.
highlander1984
10-07-17, 15:11
Then you need to move on and continue searching. I remember when I got my first apartment, it was an immediate attraction. All stars were simply aligned and I just wanted to throw the cheque at the property agent. There wasn’t any but or what-if.
Woah serious ah. Cuz you damn rich la. I also need to consider budget and other factors like near sch or something or not leh. Is like i see the penthouses of the parc. I also feel like throwing cheque at the seller but got no $$$. Lol
"LKY know about the problem long ago. he has created the system where possible the country do not depends on the PM outcome."
Really? Not that I know of, and I don't think he has that ability until the Singapore's governance system has been changed.
If you say that US is the country where it will NOT fall despite a bloody goondu President, that I believe because US President has only 1/3 power to unilaterally do anything and their civil servants are non-partisan and fiercely independent and willing to fight to uphold justice even if it cost them their jobs!
If you said that Singapore is another country like US, I will :tongue4:
If you read here:
https://www.facebook.com/38OxleyRoad/posts/791442864357253
You will know that even LKY is so well prepared that his estate has more than enough money such that his "children and grandchildren are well provided for already" even after giving 1/3 equal shares to LWL and also giving Cluny Hill bungalow to LWL.
Have you done already what LKY has done to have more than enough money such that your "children and grandchildren are well provided for already"?
(Having blind faith in a dead person will not do you any good! Better rely on yourself!) :hopelessness:
LKY know about the problem long ago. he has created the system where possible the country do not depends on the PM outcome.
I will be the first selling when the foundation is in trouble. Now 53 years ago still service the National.
"LKY know about the problem long ago. he has created the system where possible the country do not depends on the PM outcome."
Really? Not that I know of, and I don't think he has that ability until the Singapore's governance system has been changed.
If you say that US is the country where it will NOT fall despite a bloody goondu President, that I believe because US President has only 1/3 power to unilaterally do anything and their civil servants are non-partisan and fiercely independent and willing to fight to uphold justice even if it cost them their jobs!
If you said that Singapore is another country like US, I will :tongue4:
If you read here:
https://www.facebook.com/38OxleyRoad/posts/791442864357253
You will know that even LKY is so well prepared that his estate has more than enough money such that his "children and grandchildren are well provided for already" even after giving 1/3 equal shares to LWL and also giving Cluny Hill bungalow to LWL.
Have you done already what LKY has done to have more than enough money such that your "children and grandchildren are well provided for already"?
(Having blind faith in a dead person will not do you any good! Better rely on yourself!) :hopelessness:
Thanks, that is the reason I still doing my national service. Anything not right I will be the first to know, will let everyone know after I sold off all my property.
Now singapore is still the Best, loan me money and I will buy property again.
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