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richwang
19-01-14, 07:53
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/01/16/its-not-a-bubble-until-its-officially-denied-singapore-edition/

It's Not A Bubble Until It's Officially Denied, Singapore Edition

Jesse Colombo (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/), Contributor
I'm an economic analyst who is warning of dangerous post-2009 bubbles

There must be an unwritten rule in the shadowy world of central banking that demands that dangerous, society-threatening economic bubbles must be denied and covered up at all costs. I’ve experienced this phenomenon indirectly when I was warning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Colombo) about the U.S. housing and credit bubble in 2005 at the same time that Ben Bernanke denied its existence (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/26/AR2005102602255.html) (which was a few days before he was nominated as Fed Chairman).
In the past few months, I have experienced central bank bubble denials firsthand when the central banks of Malaysia (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/18/its-not-a-bubble-until-its-officially-denied-malaysia-edition/) and the Philippines (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/11/28/heres-what-the-philippine-bubble-deniers-are-getting-wrong/) vehemently denied my warnings about economic bubbles that are inflating in their countries. As of this week, I can now add a third central bank bubble denial to my experience repertoire: the Monetary Authority of Singapore (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/s-pore-is-not-facing-a/954240.html) or MAS.
This latest central bank bubble denial was a reaction to a detailed report (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/01/13/why-singapores-economy-is-heading-for-an-iceland-style-meltdown/) that I published on Monday in which I claimed that Singapore was experiencing an economic bubble that is reminiscent of Iceland’s bubble that led to its financial crisis in 2007 and 2008. This report proceeded to go viral, and received over 650,000 views and 17,000 shares via social media. Though I stated that the two countries’ bubbles were not identical in every technical sense (like snowflakes, no two bubbles are the same), I explained their worrisome parallels: both are or were finance and real estate-driven island economies that are or were widely heralded as safe-havens while an underlying credit bubble inflated and created an illusion of prosperity.
To summarize my argument, I claimed that Singapore is part of a larger bubble that has been inflating in emerging market nations since the Global Financial Crisis. I explained that Singapore is Southeast Asia’s financial center, and that neighboring Indonesia (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/03/why-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-for-indonesias-epic-bubble-economy/), Malaysia (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/15/malaise-is-ahead-for-malaysias-bubble-economy/), Thailand (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/11/04/thailands-bubble-economy-is-heading-for-a-1997-style-crash/), and the Philippines (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/11/21/heres-why-the-philippines-economic-miracle-is-really-a-bubble-in-disguise/2/) are experiencing economic bubbles of their own that are boosting the fortunes of Singapore’s financial sector.
In addition, I showed that Singapore’s benchmark interest rate is tied to the U.S. Fed Funds Rate, which has been held at virtually zero percent since the financial crisis. While this zero interest rate policy, or ZIRP, is intended to boost the depressed U.S. economy, it is far too low for a fast-growing, inflation-prone economy like Singapore’s. As a result of these inappropriately low rates, a classic credit bubble has been ballooning: loans to Singapore’s private sector have soared by 133 percent since 2010, and the country’s household debt to GDP ratio has increased from 45 percent in 2005, to 55 percent in 2010, to approximately 75 percent in 2013. Singapore’s ultra low interest rate has also inflated a property bubble as prices jumped by 60 percent since 2009, making it the world’s third most overvalued property market.
I claimed that Singapore’s construction and financial sectors were growing rapidly due to the country’s low interest rate environment, and I showed that these sectors were the primary drivers of economic growth and job creation in recent years. I saw the same trends unfolding in the U.S. economy during our bubble, which is what spurred me to warn about it. Please read my full report about Singapore’s bubble economy (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/01/13/why-singapores-economy-is-heading-for-an-iceland-style-meltdown/) to get a more comprehensive understanding of my ideas.
I will now address the rebuttals that have been put forth by the Monetary Authority of Singapore:
“Serious observers and investors are not in doubt about the country’s financial health.”
Ben Bernanke and the legions of other economists in global central banks and investments firms are considered “serious observers”, and the vast majority of them were also “not in doubt” about the financial health of the U.S., Ireland, Iceland, and similar hard-hit countries during the heyday of the mid-2000s bubble.
The MAS said the government has “taken decisive steps to cool property demand and prevent excessive leverage”.
As I’ve stated in my report, Singapore’s property bubble cooling measures have only slowed the rate of the bubble’s inflation, but do nothing to truly unwind the damage that has already been done, from sky-high property prices to the already-inflated bubble in mortgages and household debt. These cooling measures are ineffective because they simply do not address the primary cause of Singapore’s bubble problems: abnormally low interest rates. Also, my bubble warning did not focus solely on Singapore’s property bubble, as it explored numerous areas of risk and imbalance.
Household balance sheets are on the whole strong and property asset values are significantly higher than the debts incurred.
The MAS explained that “the average loan-to-value ratio of outstanding housing loans stands at a healthy 47 per cent as of Q3 2013, implying a large buffer in asset values”.
After rising by 60 percent since 2009, Singapore’s housing market is now 57 percent overvalued versus its long-term average. With such an inflated property market, homeowners will need every bit of buffer they can get. Also, household balance sheets are typically strongest in a low interest rate and high asset price environment; the time to worry is when interest rates rise and asset prices fall.
The MAS said Singapore’s financial system is robust, citing a recent assessment program by the International Monetary Fund that showed Singapore’s financial system would remain sound even under severe stress scenarios which include a sharp increase in interest rates – together – with a steep decline in property prices.
The MAS said Singapore’s banks are resilient, with strong financial and capital positions.
The MAS said Singapore’s triple-A rating from all the major rating agencies is not an aberration and that it attests to the country’s economic and financial strength, including its sizeable foreign reserves.
The IMF is not factoring in the risk of a bubble-induced bust in the ASEAN region, let alone a crisis that includes China and East Asia. Let’s not forget the fact that the IMF – like the U.S. Federal Reserve – completely missed the warning signs (http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/02/imf_and_crisis) that led up to the Global Financial Crisis as well. The IMF and similar institutions have very little credibility when it comes to spotting and preventing economic bubbles.
In my experience of warning about bubbles in individual countries, I have noticed a common critical thinking error rear its ugly head time and time again: looking at a country’s economy in isolation without considering regional or global risks. In Singapore’s case, bubble deniers and apologists have not addressed the risks posed by the bubbles or frothy conditions in neighboring Indonesia (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/03/why-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-for-indonesias-epic-bubble-economy/), Malaysia (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/15/malaise-is-ahead-for-malaysias-bubble-economy/), Thailand (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/11/04/thailands-bubble-economy-is-heading-for-a-1997-style-crash/), and the Philippines (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/11/21/heres-why-the-philippines-economic-miracle-is-really-a-bubble-in-disguise/2/).
To make matters worse, Singapore bubble deniers are not factoring in the severe risks posed by China’s massive bubble economy. Here are a few statistics (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/opinion/gordon-brown-stumbling-toward-the-next-crash.html?_r=1&) that show how big of a risk China’s bubble has become:
China’s total domestic credit more than doubled to $23 trillion from $9 trillion in 2008, which is equivalent to adding the entire U.S. commercial banking sector.
Borrowing has risen as a share of China’s national income to more than 200 percent, from 135 percent in 2008.
China’s credit growth rate is now faster than Japan’s before its 1990 bust and America’s before 2008, with half of that growth in the shadow-banking sector.Why do bubbles in the rest of Asia matter to Singapore’s economy? For starters, China, Hong Kong, Malaysia, and Indonesia combined account for nearly two-thirds (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/singapore/exports) of Singapore’s export market. In addition, a full 70 percent (http://www.ibtimes.com/singapore-could-become-new-switzerland-assets-managed-there-reach-record-levels-1356857) of assets managed in Singapore were invested in Asia in 2013, which is up from 60 percent in 2012. There are countless other ways that Singapore is exposed to risks in other Asian economies, such as the fact that the country’s new casinos and resorts rely heavily upon the free-spending ways of Chinese high-rollers. It is important to remember that wealthy Japanese – during their 1980s economic bubble – had a similar reputation for free-spending that wealthy Chinese do today.

On another note, I want to re-emphasize that I am not necessarily calling for an immediate popping of Singapore’s bubble. As I stated in my report, the U.S. Federal Reserve may maintain its zero interest rate policy until as late as 2017 (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/fed-chair-could-mean-interest-rates-near-zero-132808555.html), which means that Singapore’s interest rate will also stay at virtually zero for the same length of time. While this means that the ultimate popping of Singapore’s bubble may be a few years away, it also means that the city-state’s asset and credit bubbles are likely to grow even larger and more threatening than they currently are, all while they are helping to foster an illusion of prosperity.
The bottom line is that Singapore authorities’ bubble denials do not help the country’s citizens any more than Ben Bernanke’s 2005 bubble denial helped Americans.
In the coming months, I will be publishing more reports on other countries that I consider to be part of the emerging markets bubble.

richwang
19-01-14, 08:11
the ultimate popping of Singapore’s bubble may be a few years away

richwang
19-01-14, 08:12
the U.S. Federal Reserve may maintain its zero interest rate policy until as late as 2017 (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/fed-chair-could-mean-interest-rates-near-zero-132808555.html), which means that Singapore’s interest rate will also stay at virtually zero for the same length of time.

richwang
19-01-14, 08:14
There are countless other ways that Singapore is exposed to risks in other Asian economies, such as the fact that the country’s new casinos and resorts rely heavily upon the free-spending ways of Chinese high-rollers.

leesg123
19-01-14, 08:51
There are countless other ways that Singapore is exposed to risks in other Asian economies, such as the fact that the country’s new casinos and resorts rely heavily upon the free-spending ways of Chinese high-rollers.

Any evidence or just hearsay from nonsense source like forbes?

richwang
19-01-14, 09:45
Mainland Chinese top foreign buyers of private property in Singapore

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/mainland-chinese-top/873752.html


Source: Channel News Asia.

christo
19-01-14, 09:52
Read page 2 of the Comments Section of the FORBES article by Mr John Chong. He gave further insights on what's happening on ground as compared to just statistics.

princess_morbucks
19-01-14, 10:04
https://www.facebook.com/donald.l.fc

There's a Forbes article on an impending crash in Singapore circulating widely on FB. I won't dignify it by posting it but here are my thoughts about it:

I read the article a while ago and wasn't at all convinced with his line of argument. It's just far too sweeping. Above all, if you look at the usual triggers of financial crises, they are mostly non-existent in Singapore. We don't have a large current account deficit - on the contrary, we have a huge current account surplus. We don't have a large fiscal deficit - we run structural budget surpluses. And we don't have an highly leveraged/indebted household or corporate sector.

On his point about a housing bubble in Singapore fueled by low interest rates, he is partially correct. But to claim that we are on the verge of financial collapse on account of that is utter nonsense. Our leverage ratios are still healthy and I suspect a large part of the run-up in housing prices in recent years is inadequate supply - a problem which has now been largely corrected. Will we see house prices fall this year? Yes, quite possibly. My guess is 10% but even if house prices were to fall 20%, I don't think it will impact the health of our banks or even our households. There will be households that have negative equity, but as long as they have the cash flow to service their mortgages, it will not precipitate a financial crash.

But there is one argument from the article that is worth highlighting and which I mostly agree with. And that is booms which are led by real estate development and the financial sector are mostly illusory. They create the impression of economic dynamism without creating any real productive capacity in the economy (think back to Bangkok, KL and Jakarta just before the Asian crisis). They also distort and re-direct resources away from productive activities. Real estate and finance are inherently distributive, not creative, activities - they move money and wealth around, but they don't produce any productive capacity and technological capabilities for the economy. So when I argue that the Singapore government should look not just at the quantity of growth, but also the quality of growth, I have in mind not just equity and distributional considerations, but also the composition of growth. Is the growth coming from manufacturing and high value-added services, or is it dominated by real estate and finance? If it's the latter, we have a structural problem.

Finally, I would also highlight that what this article reveals is the failure of government efforts to attract high net worth individuals to Singapore, to make Singapore a wealth management hub for the rich, and to bring in more billionaires even if they increase inequality. I think the costs to the economy and society of such efforts far outweigh their benefits. What productive capacity do property speculators and HNWIs who park their monies in Singapore help to create? So yes, we get a tiny wealth management industry that employs a few thousand people and manages several billion dollars. We can easily do without these 'benefits'. Meanwhile, their costs in terms of raising property prices, the competition they create for positional goods, and their ostentatious lifestyles undermine our egalitarian norms and values. They also reduce the trust and mutual regard citizens have for one another, undermining their willingness to contribute to more redistribution. All in, I would say that the efforts to attract rich foreigners to Singapore are incredibly misguided.

matadorepy
19-01-14, 10:52
and so ... Mr B is likely to resurface again after his short hiatus...

star
19-01-14, 11:18
Read this statement in the article:
This report proceeded to go viral, and received over 650,000 views and 17,000 shares via social media.

This is how writer make money. More views more people talk more money.
Just like how they make money in blog. In blog their objective is to attract more people come in to view.

princess_morbucks
19-01-14, 11:31
Read this statement in the article:
This report proceeded to go viral, and received over 650,000 views and 17,000 shares via social media.

This is how writer make money. More views more people talk more money.
Just like how they make money in blog. In blog their objective is to attract more people come in to view.

The blogger won't make money unless he has google adsense and you click on those ads.

wt_know
19-01-14, 12:46
in order to garner high view, one has to write that spore is on the verge to collapse or spore is a miracle place ... lol

nonetheless, i believe both articles collapse vs miracle has its own merits and just dont take the reader points wholesale because they need to sensationalise their ideas to make people read

indomie
19-01-14, 13:12
If the price of sg property is any cheaper.... Foreigners would be buying more and squeeze out local singaporeans. Sg is a small market. Some part of Jakarta is already more expensive than the median price of singapore. Singaporeans who are freaked out by this report probably never go out of the country often.

PC08
19-01-14, 13:52
Read page 2 of the Comments Section of the FORBES article by Mr John Chong. He gave further insights on what's happening on ground as compared to just statistics.

He has a couple points that are critically flawed.

Point 3 - Once trading volumes change, revenue will be impacted. Less revenue means less income or jobs. Volumes depend on economic activity at the source. If all the major economies pops, where do we orientate to? Eat grass so to speak ...

Point 5 - If immigration >> job creation, the number of social problems will drastically increase. The strain on singapore's social stability will be huge. Our government has no absolute control over immigration. It looks to me they are playing by the ear.

Jesse Colombo's view is not entirely adaptable to Singapore's actual situation but it shouldn't be casually tossed into the bin.

When there are humans, there will be speculation.
When there is speculation, there will be bubbles.
When there are bubbles, they will burst.

That is fact, and no one can stop the above cycle from maturing to the burst stage.

Well ... maybe only if you are living in North Korea ... you will only know the followings,

When there are humans, you belong to Kim.
When there is speculation, you are executed.
When you are executed, there will be no bubbles.
When there are no bubbles, it can't burst.

indomie
19-01-14, 15:06
Maybe the author would rather see the situation where the interest rate is high. This create a high SGD. SGD high means export is low. Export is low means high unemployment. High unemployment means property price is low. Property price is low means high foreign ownership. High foreign ownership means foreign economy occupation.

The fact that sg is in his radar at all, because he is bullish about sg economy prospect. He is secretly long about sg. To navigate sg into rough economy seas, u need a steady hand. Sg is a few rare country where long term vision can overcome a short term fluctuation. If you in in for the long term, this is the right place to be.

richwang
19-01-14, 15:12
Some part of Jakarta is already more expensive than the median price of singapore. Singaporeans who are freaked out by this report probably never go out of the country often.

Why The Worst Is Yet To Come For Indonesia's Epic Bubble Economy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/03/why-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-for-indonesias-epic-bubble-economy/

Indonesia is part of the bubble.

Those who only show interests in properties in Indonesia (and Singapore), apparently have not seen the recent bargains in US.

princess_morbucks
19-01-14, 15:16
Why The Worst Is Yet To Come For Indonesia's Epic Bubble Economy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/03/why-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-for-indonesias-epic-bubble-economy/

Indonesia is part of the bubble.

Those who only show interests in properties in Indonesia (and Singapore), apparently have not seen the recent bargains in US.

That article was written in March 2013.

richwang
19-01-14, 15:29
Yes, we are not discussing the price movement tomorrow. We are discussing where we stand in the cycle.

If interest rates hike will be the key trigger, the author implies that could happen in 2017.

My wife laughed at me: 2017 is still a long way, who cares!

As the Citi top banker has said: when the music doesn't stop, just dance!

Enjoy!
Richard

richwang
19-01-14, 15:33
Well, like any major financial crisis, it just come a little bit quicker than you would think.

Did you get step by step instructions from MAS BEFORE the financial crisis in 1997 and 2008?

Why do you think MAS will openly tell you BEFORE the next financial crisis?

indomie
19-01-14, 15:51
Why The Worst Is Yet To Come For Indonesia's Epic Bubble Economy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2013/10/03/why-the-worst-is-yet-to-come-for-indonesias-epic-bubble-economy/

Indonesia is part of the bubble.

Those who only show interests in properties in Indonesia (and Singapore), apparently have not seen the recent bargains in US.
Never make a sweeping judgement on Indonesia economy as a whole. Part of the country behave differently than other part. Its like judging the economy of detroit is the same as new york. Some part of the economy is so resistant to global economy crisis, some will even thrive in a crisis. When the USSR collapsed, if u are smart enough to acquire some state owned company. U will be one of the richest man in the world today. I am confident than Indonesia will be a world economy power soon. The logic is simple. Indonesia is such a diverse economy, one of these economy will strike it rich one day. It is within mathematical possibility.

indomie
19-01-14, 16:12
Well, like any major financial crisis, it just come a little bit quicker than you would think.

Did you get step by step instructions from MAS BEFORE the financial crisis in 1997 and 2008?

Why do you think MAS will openly tell you BEFORE the next financial crisis?
Any crisis will expose 2 things. It will expose weakness and also strengths. So far, the crisis that hit singapore has exposed good economy foundation. I am confident that future crisis will only solidified sg economy foundation. Stay vested in sg, the world out there are so rotten to the core.

star
19-01-14, 16:17
Hahaha the year keep pushing back, 2015 now push back to 2017 then 2020? LOL.

DC33_2008
19-01-14, 16:24
How to recover so fast when US is so badly beaten? US data is served only as a smoke screen.
Hahaha the year keep pushing back, 2015 now push back to 2017 then 2020? LOL.

indomie
19-01-14, 16:26
In the future, sg may not owned any land, but it will own many global plantation. It may not have many factories, but it will control world manufacturing. That is the nature of being a global financial centre. If you are the man with the money, people will find you no matter where u are. People will come to sg because wealth is attracting wealth.

richwang
19-01-14, 16:29
Never make a sweeping judgement on Indonesia economy as a whole. Part of the country behave differently than other part.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25548060

Points taken, MINT is indeed very hot this year.

richwang
19-01-14, 16:37
Hahaha the year keep pushing back, 2015 now push back to 2017 then 2020? LOL.

Like any other bubbles, the pushing back is indeed a very BAD thing: the bubble could get even bigger.

We will be lucky if the bubble get deflated before 2017.

If Singapore property prices can really increase at the rate in the past until 2020, we will be in deeper trouble.

Luckily Singapore Government is not that stupid (indeed they are too smart), that's why we have seen so many CMs. But the Total Debt Ratio should have been the first CM (although Gov doesn't make money from that policy). ABSD will be the first one to go away when the bubble starts to deflate faster than the Gov would like to see (Gov does make money from ABSD.)

SQ008
19-01-14, 17:11
when that time comes, I can buy my conservation shophouse.

Singmentor
19-01-14, 17:52
Mainland Chinese top foreign buyers of private property in Singapore

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/mainland-chinese-top/873752.html


Source: Channel News Asia.

They may top the NUMBER of foreign buyers, but in dollar terms they lag behind US,Indonesian and Malaysian buyers. Probably trying to point to a convenient scapegoat and blame the mainlanders if the property market crash. LOL.

leesg123
19-01-14, 18:53
Never make a sweeping judgement on Indonesia economy as a whole. Part of the country behave differently than other part. Its like judging the economy of detroit is the same as new york. Some part of the economy is so resistant to global economy crisis, some will even thrive in a crisis. When the USSR collapsed, if u are smart enough to acquire some state owned company. U will be one of the richest man in the world today. I am confident than Indonesia will be a world economy power soon. The logic is simple. Indonesia is such a diverse economy, one of these economy will strike it rich one day. It is within mathematical possibility.

It will only make a few belonging to the kkn v rich. Most remain poor or even poorer esp the hua na. Then there will be riots then looting and everything reset. History alwasy repeat one.

leesg123
19-01-14, 18:54
Like any other bubbles, the pushing back is indeed a very BAD thing: the bubble could get even bigger.

We will be lucky if the bubble get deflated before 2017.

If Singapore property prices can really increase at the rate in the past until 2020, we will be in deeper trouble.

Luckily Singapore Government is not that stupid (indeed they are too smart), that's why we have seen so many CMs. But the Total Debt Ratio should have been the first CM (although Gov doesn't make money from that policy). ABSD will be the first one to go away when the bubble starts to deflate faster than the Gov would like to see (Gov does make money from ABSD.)
I also want the price to go down so that can add another one to my collection.

oops
19-01-14, 19:03
Lower housing price will only benefit first timer as what govt had planned. ABSD is here to deter multi purchaser. When interest rate and supply go up.. We will see the massive unloading. In fact it has already start..

indomie
19-01-14, 19:10
It will only make a few belonging to the kkn v rich. Most remain poor or even poorer esp the hua na. Then there will be riots then looting and everything reset. History alwasy repeat one.
Riot is never about poor against the rich.
Riot is about rich against the rich.

leesg123
19-01-14, 19:11
Lower housing price will only benefit first timer as what govt had planned. ABSD is here to deter multi purchaser. When interest rate and supply go up.. We will see the massive unloading. In fact it has already start..

Well not for me. I am still happily collecting my rent which is more than twice my monthly mortgage. Dont know where you get the idea it has already start....

RCT
19-01-14, 19:14
Riot is never about poor against the rich.
Riot is about rich against the rich.

hahaha.. I don't think so... Riot is just a tool to get something... So it really depend who is using the tool, it can be the rich, it can be someone ambitious.

leesg123
19-01-14, 19:21
Riot is never about poor against the rich.
Riot is about rich against the rich.

True. But the poor are paid to carry out. Who suffer? The avg indo chinese.

richwang
19-01-14, 19:23
When interest rate and supply go up.. We will see the massive unloading. In fact it has already start..

Indeed TDSR has already pushed the interest rate to 3.5% (the normal interest rates level) in term of borrowing capacity. The recent buyers have already be impacted. But the full impact of TDSR will be felt when the 15% overstretched borrowers start to re-finance.

Let's hope Government will start firm with TDSR - do the right thing.

RCT
19-01-14, 19:25
Prosperity should not be taken for gained. Just look at Japan.. Look at the USA. What we should do is to learn from the mistake of the Japan and USA. If you think a correction or a crash to property price will never come, then please look at Japan and USA.

The government have taken a right step by using TDSR to control loan. Or else the greed of common people will crash the market. I don't know how much people actually over-leveraged but let just hope the government have the plan to handle the worst case situation. As no one will benefit from a crash...

richwang
19-01-14, 19:32
I don't know how much people actually over-leveraged

http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/fears-escalate-rising-household-debt-090600160.html

"If mortgage rates were to go up by 3 percentage points, the proportion of borrowers at risk could reach 10 to 15 per cent."

In other words, at least one out of 10 borrowers will have difficulty when re-finance time comes.

indomie
19-01-14, 19:33
True. But the poor are paid to carry out. Who suffer? The avg indo chinese.
Actually most casualties were Indonesia native. And the native understand it. After the riot actually chinese gain more freedom of expression. Now more chinese rise up to national leadership. Human may try, but god is not blind.

richwang
19-01-14, 19:36
no one will benefit from a crash...

No one in long positions will benefit from a crash.
Those in leveraged long positions will suffer from a crash.
Those in short positions (such as younger generation waiting to buy) will benefit from a crash.
Those in hedged positions (holding some and still have power to buy more) will possibly benefit from a crash - depending on their property/cash ratio.

phantom_opera
19-01-14, 19:44
核心提示:国家统计局近日公布去年12月份70个大中城市住宅销售价格变动情况,其中,北上广深等4个一线城市新建商品住宅价格同比涨幅领涨全国,上海涨21.9%,北京涨20.6%,广州涨20.4%,深圳涨20.3%。至此,北上广深已经连续4个月同比上涨超20%。

what say you?

indomie
19-01-14, 19:48
No one in long positions will benefit from a crash.
Those in leveraged long positions will suffer from a crash.
Those in short positions (such as younger generation waiting to buy) will benefit from a crash.
Those in hedged positions (holding some and still have power to buy more) will possibly benefit from a crash - depending on their property/cash ratio.
US will benefit from the crash. Its economy is in desperate need to get back global financial center position. It needs people to get back using USD. So any alternative to USD is deemed competitors. So that's why they trash talk the competitors.

star
19-01-14, 19:50
No one in long positions will benefit from a crash.
Those in leveraged long positions will suffer from a crash.
Those in short positions (such as younger generation waiting to buy) will benefit from a crash.
Those in hedged positions (holding some and still have power to buy more) will possibly benefit from a crash - depending on their property/cash ratio.

Property crash most people will lose jobs or pay cut. Young still got money to buy? Young spent on branded stuff and car already plus dinning in restaurants during good time. Bank won't loan money how to buy.

richwang
19-01-14, 20:07
Young spent on .. car

Those working in my department in their 20s, none of them own cars. They are either rushing to buy BTO HDB (before their combined household income exceed S$10K), or waiting for the crash to come.

Thanks,
Richard
PS. I am in hedged position, not leveraged, not short.

CCR
19-01-14, 20:52
Lower housing price will only benefit first timer as what govt had planned. ABSD is here to deter multi purchaser. When interest rate and supply go up.. We will see the massive unloading. In fact it has already start..

Any data to show massive un Loading?

leesg123
19-01-14, 22:26
Actually most casualties were Indonesia native. And the native understand it. After the riot actually chinese gain more freedom of expression. Now more chinese rise up to national leadership. Human may try, but god is not blind.

Lol...u serious? I was there during the post suharto riot and massacre in JKT so I know whats going on.

Arcachon
19-01-14, 22:29
Any data to show massive un Loading?

Got one here, Southbank 2 Bedroom for SGD 535,000.

leesg123
19-01-14, 22:37
Got one here, Southbank 2 Bedroom for SGD 535,000.

There will be 1000 people bidding for that. Lol.