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princess_morbucks
08-01-14, 10:54
Building castles in the air?

http://business.asiaone.com/property/news/building-castles-the-air

SINGAPORE- The seven blocks of the Pinnacle@Duxton on the edge of Chinatown rise an imposing 50 storeys towards the sky, giving their owners not just a great view of downtown Singapore but also the comfort that they are sitting on a potential gold mine.
Simply wait out the five-year minimum occupation period, which ends at the end of this year, after which those who want to cash in could easily demand more than $1 million for their units in the resale market.

At least, that was the conventional wisdom until recent months, when resale flat prices kept dropping in a soft property market.
Now, some residents in the Housing Board's (HDB) iconic blocks of flats, which are linked by skybridges, are tempering their expectations on how much profit they could make.
That seven-figure resale price could now be a skybridge too far.
A resident, who wanted to be known only as Mr Tan, said he was not hopeful of making a killing if he decides to sell his flat.
Mr Tan, who is in his late 40s, bought his 1,130 sq ft five-room unit in 2005 for around $400,000.
He said: "I may need to upgrade to a bigger flat as my two children get older. But the resale value might not be as good as previously estimated, so it may not be advisable to upgrade."
Last Thursday, estimates released by HDB indicated the resale price index continued to fall in the fourth quarter of last year, recording the sharpest drop in 8½ years.
The resale price index declined 1.3 per cent as prices slipped for the second quarter in a row, reported The Straits Times.

The fall was also the sharpest quarterly drop since 2005, when resale prices plunged 4.8 per cent in the second quarter.
Mr Tan said he had been optimistic the resale value would "be good, especially after I heard that a resident here had bought one of the balance five-room flats for $600,000 in 2008".
Furthermore, five-room flats in Bukit Merah had been sold at around $785,000, he added.
"But with the new (cooling) measures, it's not uncommon for sellers to reduce their asking cash over valuation (COV)," said Mr Tan, referring to the cash premium that buyers pay for resale flats.
STRICTER CONTROLS
The price decline in public housing is a result of stricter controls on home loans as well as the attractiveness and volume of new Build-To-Order offerings.
New permanent residents also have to wait three years before they can buy a resale flat.
The New Paper spoke to 10 residents of the Pinnacle@Duxton, the first 50-storey project in Singapore.
Comprising 1,848 units over seven blocks, it was launched in 2004 in a lacklustre property market.
Prices of four-room flats started at $289,200 and five-room flats were offered at up to $439,400.
Like Mr Tan, five residents said they were thinking of selling after they fulfil the minimum occupation period in December this year.

While they can only wait and see now, property agents told TNP that the purchase restrictions have reduced the demand for resale flats and they expect prices to drop further.
In Punggol, for instance, the median resale price and COV of a five-room flat - at $560,000 and $30,000 respectively in the second quarter - fell in the third quarter to $542,000 and $8,000, reported The Straits Times in October last year.
A property agent, who declined to be named, said: "In the past, people were asking for $100,000 as COV if their flat was in a good location, but buyers now are even looking for zero COV flats - something that was unheard of years ago."
But PropNex Realty chief executive Mohamed Ismail said it was "still possible" for selected units at the Pinnacle@Duxton to fetch high prices in the resale market.
"People might still pay high COVs if the unit has unblocked views, for instance," he said.
While he doubts that any unit will hit the magic million-dollar mark, he said owners still stand to make "a huge profit, especially since many bought their units for below $500,000."
Agreeing, Mr Donald Han, managing director at Chesterton Singapore, said resale prices for the Pinnacle@Duxton "will hold" because it is a "hotly sought-after location and is unlike any other HDB estate".
But such forecasts are moot points for Pinnacle@Duxton resident Foo Soo Lim, 58, who bought his five-room unit on the 49th storey for $450,000 in 2004.
The businessman, who lives there with his wife, 53, their daughter, 12, and his mother-in-law, 88, said: "No matter what price is offered, I'll never sell my flat because I love the location. It's convenient because my place is right next to the Central Business District."

GIG
08-01-14, 12:28
Tsk..tsk..tsk..
5 room, 2 growing up children..need more space.
Bought at 400k....now recent transaction at 785k

Still not enough??....spoilt Singaporean.
Should implement more cooling measures at Bukit Merah

hyenergix
08-01-14, 12:39
Tsk..tsk..tsk..
5 room, 2 growing up children..need more space.
Bought at 400k....now recent transaction at 785k

Still not enough??....spoilt Singaporean.
Should implement more cooling measures at Bukit Merah

2 years+ later the strong demand for resale HDB is very likely to return.

GIG
08-01-14, 12:58
2 years+ later the strong demand for resale HDB is very likely to return.

For this Mr. Tan situation, I will solidly agree with Thomas, a forumer here, that
Should not give any benefit to HDB buyer. Flat bought can only sell back to HDB at purchase
Price.

teddybear
08-01-14, 13:43
What govt need to do is more cooling measures for HDB flats so that HDB Executive flats and HDB masionette at <=$300k price!
Best way to achieve this is by law where HDB flats cannot be transacted openly in resale market - Can only sell back to HDB and HDB flats can only sell to citizens!
Govt is just not listening to these citizens! They are shouting that they don't have enough space in a 5room HDB flat!



Tsk..tsk..tsk..
5 room, 2 growing up children..need more space.
Bought at 400k....now recent transaction at 785k

Still not enough??....spoilt Singaporean.
Should implement more cooling measures at Bukit Merah

thomastansb
08-01-14, 19:53
Prices there should be moderated. Like 400k for a 4 bedroom. Seriously, should implement more cooling measures for HDB. HDB shouldn't be used for profitting. It is used for staying. 785k, how to afford? Ridiculous. Resale should crash.

phantom_opera
08-01-14, 20:08
Duxton almost waited 10y b4 they can sell ...

kpkb for sure lah

solsys
08-01-14, 20:38
Government should make it mandatory for HDB resale in prime locations to be levied with seller stamp duties.

It's not fair for the remaining majority of the Singaporeans who are not able to enjoy the prime location and its capital gains.

Pinnacle Duxton is the pride of public housing in Singapore. Residents there should hold pride and hold on to the property like how government sees it.

To prevent churning and speculation of prime HDB locations, higher stamp duties should be levied to moderate demand and eliminate resale speculation.

Why should prime BTO be given to Singaporeans who want to make a killing like Mr. Tan who says 5 room is too small for 2 growing children?

A 10% seller stamp duty is only a mere S$76k out of S$300k+ profit. This will bring about similar capitals gains for the remaining Singaporeans who live in the HDB heartlands.

In short, government need to moderate the lottery mentality of public housing for Singaporeans in prime locations. :tongue3:

lionhill
08-01-14, 20:48
Duxton almost who can waited 10y b4 they can sell ...

kpkb for sure lah

agree. It is not wise to buy BTO for people who can afford resale.

A holland village 30+ years old HDB can also be sold at 800k~900k now while its price in early 2000 was around 400k. What's more, there is no long MOP at all.

kane
08-01-14, 21:10
When everyone has gotten their HDB flat, they will start to wish that HDB prices will appreciate faster and catch up with condos.

limfc
08-01-14, 21:24
When everyone has gotten their HDB flat, they will start to wish that HDB prices will appreciate faster and catch up with condos.

Agree! :cheers5: Not to mention also, there are many more who are already vested in HDB compared to those who are not.... :tongue3:

Once those unvested ones become vested, the tone will surely change for sure... all a matter of perspective.... :D

kane
08-01-14, 21:37
As the abundant new hdb flats get filled up, the number of aspiring folks dreaming of the move to a condo with grow.

dtrax
08-01-14, 21:55
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Never say never. It is NOT near a prime hdb estate like redhill, queentowns etc... NOT near mrt, NO malls nearby and LOW flr HDB mansionette

RCT
09-01-14, 00:14
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Never say never. It is NOT near a prime hdb estate like redhill, queentowns etc... NOT near mrt, NO malls nearby and LOW flr HDB mansionette

165sqm = 1776 sqft.. For the price of 938,000, it is only 528 psf.. which is reasonable ba....

dtrax
09-01-14, 00:18
165sqm = 1776 sqft.. For the price of 938,000, it is only 528 psf.. which is reasonable ba....

Yes you are very right but bottomline is the quantum noting that it is not prime hdb district, not near amenities, low floor, noon sun facing and more than 15yrs