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You should go to Dakota. At first glance, every impressive, so many cars parked outside the showroom. Then it dawned on us that actually these were the agents' cars. Agents far outnumber the small number of visitors today.
No new stacks released... also existing stacks sold out.
All went to see Livia. Crowded mann!!!
UnregĄstered
14-07-08, 10:47
No new stacks released... also existing stacks sold out.
All went to see Livia. Crowded mann!!!
DR 50% sold.
DR 50% sold.
U got to be kidding.
UnregĄstered
14-07-08, 10:59
U got to be kidding.
Wah lau! Go down and count yourself lor!
Wah lau! Go down and count yourself lor!
This just shows there is plentiful of suckers in SG!
Interested Buyer
14-07-08, 22:38
This just shows there is plentiful of suckers in SG!
Wannabe... SEEMS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TALK DOWN ON ALL RECENTLY LAUNCHED PROJECTS.
Home buying is akin to buying car. Emotions play a big part.
People are rich... why bother to use such words. You assume everyone is hard press for cash. Bargain hunters are out in force to buy condos now.
Pse use forum to contribute.
Water Lover
14-07-08, 23:25
;)
The Dakota Residences showroom was packed today and the agent told me 10 units sold today. Anyway, this thread is about WW.... I like the project too, good developer.
Any reasons you like this project?
I think buyers of WFW chose the project because of the following reasons:
1. Not near to HDB, otherwise no difference feeling.
2. Has a reservoir which is rare in Sinagpore
3. Exclusiveness (not clutter)as most are car owners and not really bother whether has MRT (anyway mrt will be up in 2016)
4. Is like little gold coast of Australia
5. The design is good by well known architect
Genuine buyers do not mind paying a bit more. The harping about whether price drop or not drop, crash or not crash do not really bother them. while this may be going on till 2011 (top), buyers will start enjoying their brand new condo & resort living.
Wannabe... SEEMS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TALK DOWN ON ALL RECENTLY LAUNCHED PROJECTS.
Home buying is akin to buying car. Emotions play a big part.
People are rich... why bother to use such words. You assume everyone is hard press for cash. Bargain hunters are out in force to buy condos now.
Pse use forum to contribute.
I beg to differ.
Just DR & KR.
Singapore c.bank sees more downside risks to markets
Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:37am EDT
SINGAPORE, July 14 (Reuters) - Singapore's central bank said it is closely monitoring financial markets in the wake of the crisis surrounding U.S. mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and warned of big downside risks in global markets.
"Significant challenges and downside risks in the international financial markets remain and financial institutions and investors should stay vigilant," the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) said on Monday.
"The direct impact of the credit crisis on financial markets and financial institutions in Singapore has been relatively modest so far," the central bank said.
Singapore's Straits Times stock market index .FTSTI has fallen 16 percent this year. The country's three banks have suffered relatively modest writedowns on their debt investments as a result of the credit crunch.
The U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve called on Sunday for sweeping measures to lend money and buy equity, if necessary, in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee $5 trillion in debt -- close to half the value of all U.S. mortgages.
The U.S. government plan to bolster the government-sponsored mortgage financiers helped calm markets on Monday, but did little to allay fears about the health of the U.S. financial system.
The MAS declined to comment on whether any of Singapore's foreign reserves are invested in debt from Fannie and Freddie.
Singapore had about $177 billion in its foreign reserves as of the end of June.
Foreign central banks, mostly in Asia, hold $979 billion of the $5 trillion bonds and mortgage-backed bonds sold by Freddie and Fannie.
I beg to differ.
Just DR & KR.
Y? U can't afford or you selling Clover or Livia?
Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of June 2008
Project Name ..... Locality . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
Waterfront Waves . OCR ....... 13 ............................. 814 ............... 764 ............... 704
how's WFW sales like?
I am impressed by Livia, Clover and DR sales.
Price and location is important driver for sales.
i like wfw for the spacious layout. the balcony is great. not many developments come with a big balcony. there will be a premium for the condo along bedok reservoir. great place to stay.
Unregistered21321
25-07-08, 22:13
Wannabe is the one talking down many properties other than Telok Kurau, when the Telok Kurau properties pales in comparison in terms of amenities, condo facilities, architecture, views and landscaping as compared to those he keeps criticising.
Wannabe... SEEMS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO TALK DOWN ON ALL RECENTLY LAUNCHED PROJECTS.
Home buying is akin to buying car. Emotions play a big part.
People are rich... why bother to use such words. You assume everyone is hard press for cash. Bargain hunters are out in force to buy condos now.
Pse use forum to contribute.
UnregĄstered
28-07-08, 13:05
Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of June 2008
Project Name ..... Locality . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
Waterfront Waves . OCR ....... 13 ............................. 814 ............... 764 ............... 704
Still looking good leh.
Actually, can't wait for the project to complete. Looking forward to stay / live there.
Unregistered 8899
07-09-08, 12:34
Drove past Waterfront Waves.. got another showroom next to Waterfront Waves.. is it be Far East Organization?
Wonder whether it'll bring down the prices of Waterfront Waves? (showroom empty sial. )
i don't think so...reputation is very important to the developer. all three plot of land belong to fraser ct and far east. they will not sabotage each other...further more, the developer knows that the market is very weak now and they can take their time to complete the project...when the project completes in 2012, i believe market should have recovered by then...
Drove past Waterfront Waves.. got another showroom next to Waterfront Waves.. is it be Far East Organization?
Wonder whether it'll bring down the prices of Waterfront Waves? (showroom empty sial. )
actually market downturn also good
there is where a lot of ppl will buy cheap shares
and keep until when the market recover
then can make money from it
Up to one to believe it a not
Investment is long term one
not instant gain
Water Lover
27-09-08, 10:42
Construction seemed to have started. See you soon hooray...!:ashamed1:
Wonder whether driveways & carparks at above ground.don't seem to
see it on the map provided. Hope enough carpark lots for visitors.;)
Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of June 2008
Project Name ..... Locality . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
Waterfront Waves . OCR ....... 13 ............................. 814 ............... 764 ............... 704
Still looking good leh.
That's the way! Keep it up!
carpark and guardhouse at the basement......
richardsng_era
10-10-08, 13:37
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richardsng_era
10-10-08, 13:39
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richardsng_era
10-10-08, 13:40
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richardsng_era
10-10-08, 13:41
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richardsng_era
10-10-08, 13:42
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Eh....STUPID RICHARD OF ERA...
You post pictures of BEDOK RESERVOIR FOR F**K...
You think people will see and want to buy ... hmm.. what was it you were selling? Bedok Reservoir ah?
nice place.. hehe when the economy is down and sales isnt doing well.. it's time to get creative!
Eh....STUPID RICHARD OF ERA...
You post pictures of BEDOK RESERVOIR FOR F**K...
You think people will see and want to buy ... hmm.. what was it you were selling? Bedok Reservoir ah?
Born Loser!
Born Loser!
Richard, if you think a millionaire is a born loser.. ok.. I admit I am one.
Richard, if you think a millionaire is a born loser.. ok.. I admit I am one.
Born Loser!
Born Loser!
You talking about me?
You talking about me?
And who are you?
And who are you?
and who are you?
UnregĄstered
29-10-08, 01:26
Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of June 2008
Project Name ..... Locality . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
Waterfront Waves . OCR ....... 13 ............................. 814 ............... 764 ............... 704
Hey! Why no more URA update?
UnregĄstered
12-11-08, 10:55
http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/common/mast_home.gif
Sibor Falls To 4-year Low
The Straits Times
Wednesday, 12 November 2008
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The all-important interest rate at which banks lend funds to one another has nosedived to 0.89% - its lowest level since mid-2004.
This is likely to be good news for many home owners, who are set to enjoy lower mortgage rates soon. Rates on other consumer loans may also fall.
But the outlook is not so good for investors holding fixed deposits - as their interest rates are likely to fall as well. And businesses big and small will not necessarily get a flow-on benefit of lower borrowing costs.
Nice picture of WW.
RegĄstered
13-11-08, 12:33
Nice picture of WW.
Wah!
Interest rate is so low now!
Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of October 2008
Project Name ..... Locality . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
Waterfront Waves . OCR ....... 1 ............................... 752 ............... 752 ............... 752
Same same.
:p hopefully the shuttle service will be permanent
Waterfront Waves - Facts and Benefits you may want to know
==
A Condominium missed out by many. Don't miss this chance of owning an unit for yourself with the chance of having it at a lower price.
==
405 units with approx 441 Covered car parks lots
==
2bdrm - 980 sqft
3bdrm - 1249/1270/1292/1313/1346 sqft
3+study - 1399sqft
4bdrm - 1593/1615 sqft
4+1 Penthse - 2992sqft (Last unit)
==
Maintenance fee Estimated -
2bdrm - approx $230 p/mth
3/3Study bdrm - approx $270 p/mth
4bdrm - approx $300 p/mth
4Penthse - approx $380-$400 p/mth
==
Free shuttle service for 1st year from developer
In any case if the shuttle services are not sufficient
Here are the list of buses going pass Waterfront Waves currently
Bus no :-
2N - MARINA CTR TER
5 - BT MERAH INT / PASIR RIS INT
21 - ST. MICHAEL'S TER / PASIR RIS INT
22 - ANG MO KIO INT / TAMPINES INT
59 - BISHAN INT / CHANGI VILLAGE TER
65 - HARBOURFRONT INT / TAMPINES INT
66 - JURONG EAST INT / BEDOK INT
228 - BEDOK INT (Loop)
506 - JURONG EAST INT / UPP EAST COAST TER
CT18 - NEW BRIDGE RD TER / BEDOK INT
SS2 - BEDOK INT / BEDOK
You can check the details of bus journey over here
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg
==
Beside water area = cooler surrounding. Another ideal place for your morning/evening jog/cycling/inline skating or family stroll. Have your picnic their with your love ones.
==
PRICE now is more open and flexible to negotiation.
Certain units are selling at averagely $660psf now
Is a fair price for a Brand New Condominium from two established developers
Far East Org and Fraser & Neave Centerpoint.
==
Waterfront/Bedok Reservoir/East Area Home seekers. Give me a chance to discuss with you the open price @ the showflat
==
Give me a call at 9061-9884 Roger Tan
Same same.
More or less the same.
Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of November 2008
Project Name ..... Locality . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
Waterfront Waves . OCR ....... 1 ............................... 723 ................ 723 ............... 723
WolleyDragon
29-12-08, 16:15
Waterfront Waves - Facts and Benefits you may want to know
==
A Condominium missed out by many. Don't miss this chance of owning an unit for yourself with the chance of having it at a lower price.
==
405 units with approx 441 Covered car parks lots
==
2bdrm - 980 sqft
3bdrm - 1249/1270/1292/1313/1346 sqft
3+study - 1399sqft
4bdrm - 1593/1615 sqft
4+1 Penthse - 2992sqft (Last unit)
==
Maintenance fee Estimated -
2bdrm - approx $230 p/mth
3/3Study bdrm - approx $270 p/mth
4bdrm - approx $300 p/mth
4Penthse - approx $380-$400 p/mth
==
Free shuttle service for 1st year from developer
In any case if the shuttle services are not sufficient
Here are the list of buses going pass Waterfront Waves currently
Bus no :-
2N - MARINA CTR TER
5 - BT MERAH INT / PASIR RIS INT
21 - ST. MICHAEL'S TER / PASIR RIS INT
22 - ANG MO KIO INT / TAMPINES INT
59 - BISHAN INT / CHANGI VILLAGE TER
65 - HARBOURFRONT INT / TAMPINES INT
66 - JURONG EAST INT / BEDOK INT
228 - BEDOK INT (Loop)
506 - JURONG EAST INT / UPP EAST COAST TER
CT18 - NEW BRIDGE RD TER / BEDOK INT
SS2 - BEDOK INT / BEDOK
You can check the details of bus journey over here
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg
==
Beside water area = cooler surrounding. Another ideal place for your morning/evening jog/cycling/inline skating or family stroll. Have your picnic their with your love ones.
==
PRICE now is more open and flexible to negotiation.
Certain units are selling at averagely $660psf now
Is a fair price for a Brand New Condominium from two established developers
Far East Org and Fraser & Neave Centerpoint.
==
Waterfront/Bedok Reservoir/East Area Home seekers. Give me a chance to discuss with you the open price @ the showflat
==
Give me a call at 9061-9884 Roger Tan
Given the current market condition (and also considering 2009 forecasts), paying $660 psf for a 99yr leasehold property seems kinda risky... :scared-4:
Could it go down as far as $5xx plus psf? maybe, maybe not.. it just depends on how desperate the developers are.. however, judging on the past 3 months' transactions from URA, sales are pretty dismal..
very unlikely prices will go down to 600 plus psf. maybe those at the ground floor without view. must know that the current crisis is just another economic cycle. if developer can sit thru', who knows in the next bull run, prices may go above 1000 psf. :D
very unlikely prices will go down to 600 plus psf. maybe those at the ground floor without view. must know that the current crisis is just another economic cycle. if developer can sit thru', who knows in the next bull run, prices may go above 1000 psf. :D
your sunny outlook of 2009 is very commendable.
However, i quite agree with you that this current crisis is another economic cycle. Just like how the past 2 yrs of economic growth (and greatly driven by heaps of property speculation) helped push the psf from 400-500 plus to the current norm of 700-800.
My point of view is that 2009 prices will be down to post-frenzy prices and will make my purchase then. While this happens, I'll be waiting by the corner, drinking my kopi-O kau and smoking my marlboro reds. :47:
VIPCLUB2004
03-01-09, 19:09
your sunny outlook of 2009 is very commendable.
However, i quite agree with you that this current crisis is another economic cycle. Just like how the past 2 yrs of economic growth (and greatly driven by heaps of property speculation) helped push the psf from 400-500 plus to the current norm of 700-800.
My point of view is that 2009 prices will be down to post-frenzy prices and will make my purchase then. While this happens, I'll be waiting by the corner, drinking my kopi-O kau and smoking my marlboro reds. :47:
S$550 psf in 2010, now like the stock market when STI is 3000 points, we should know what to do :sleep:
Given the current market condition (and also considering 2009 forecasts), paying $660 psf for a 99yr leasehold property seems kinda risky... :scared-4:
Could it go down as far as $5xx plus psf? maybe, maybe not.. it just depends on how desperate the developers are.. however, judging on the past 3 months' transactions from URA, sales are pretty dismal..
I wish you were the developer's management staff. :) Makes our marketing job easier.
Highly unlikely for a developer of that strong financial status to sell below 600psf.
WolleyDragon
21-01-09, 16:25
I wish you were the developer's management staff. :) Makes our marketing job easier.
Highly unlikely for a developer of that strong financial status to sell below 600psf.
Hi Roger,
Thanks for your quote.. I have a question, do you see any pressure from the developer in lowering prices? So far, I've noticed from URA that no transactions since Nov'08..
Also, the developer has launched 222 units and still 76 units remain unsold (URA data as at Dec'08)..
Water Lover
23-01-09, 11:01
Construction seem going smoothly...
Anybody has any idea where is the location of the future MRT??:)
Geylang OKT
24-01-09, 14:09
The location kinda ulu eh? And I thought Tanah Merah was far :scared-3:
Construction seem going smoothly...
Anybody has any idea where is the location of the future MRT??:)
checked before, heard there is no firm plan. but some think is near to sengsong. i think if MRT is to built, one of the stop must be at Temasek poly. in this case, it seems that the MRT track has to route along Ave 10, unlikely to be along the bedok reservior road.. just my thoughts.
WolleyDragon
07-02-09, 13:51
Heard that developers are launching phase 2??
can anyone verify this?
If so, what's the list price psf?
Thks
650psf pool facing; got a sms from them.
650psf pool facing; got a sms from them.
when TOP? its a 99LH, so 650 still high
You have to beat Caspian $580 psf average to get sales moving...
Buyer will flock in if you price it at below $550 psf :)
You have to beat Caspian $580 psf average to get sales moving...
Buyer will flock in if you price it at below $550 psf :)
agreed... of 550... sure...
visited that location before CNY still asking 750 psf.. and 830psf for top floor.... reservoir facing...
today got relaunch
just got sms 630 psf
im going to see
Extracted from other forum,
Waterfront Waves@bedok reservoir star buy!! 21 Feb 09 12:15 am
33 units avail for star buy now!!!
prices from 528 psf above!!!
sms me at 90686016 for more details now!
Dont miss it
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Maybe you guys want to check it out.....;)
Water Lover
21-02-09, 09:38
are u the one owning these 33 units? 630 psf compared to 528 psf is
a lot of different. To cut short any unit 500k (budget) I rush down to meet you.
Extracted from other forum,
Waterfront Waves@bedok reservoir star buy!! 21 Feb 09 12:15 am
33 units avail for star buy now!!!
prices from 528 psf above!!!
sms me at 90686016 for more details now!
Dont miss it
______________________________________________________
Maybe you guys want to check it out.....;)
sure all not facing lake one.... those lake one i think should be 900k above!
[quote=smarian]Extracted from other forum,
Waterfront Waves@bedok reservoir star buy!! 21 Feb 09 12:15 am
33 units avail for star buy now!!!
prices from 528 psf above!!!
sms me at 90686016 for more details now!
Dont miss it
I think $528psf is bullshit. Let me know who.s selling & if its a regular type of unit . not one with plenty of unusable air spaces. I will buy right away .
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are u the one owning these 33 units? 630 psf compared to 528 psf is
a lot of different. To cut short any unit 500k (budget) I rush down to meet you.
me too. i will take a few units at 528psf.
direct developers' unit at attractive price!!! drop me a line @ 82818888.
:)
Pet
direct developers' unit at attractive price!!! drop me a line @ 82818888.
:)
Pet
How is this one compare to Double Bay ?
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=7132
Is there a new project launching next to water front ?
Drove past 2 days ago, saw a new showroom setting up (i think it is a showroom).
How is this one compare to Double Bay ?
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=7132
Is there a new project launching next to water front ?
Drove past 2 days ago, saw a new showroom setting up (i think it is a showroom).
there are moving to new showrom in Mar...
anyone know what is the latest PSF?
Is there a new project launching next to water front ?
Drove past 2 days ago, saw a new showroom setting up (i think it is a showroom).
no..
along that area.. only waterfront wave
that was their new showroom
ya they also relaunch
got call by my agent she say psf 500+ to 600+
it belong to another development. Interesting, wonder what psf the developer going to launch at lower...... same developer.... if psf lower than waterfront waves, then no business for waterfront waves.... if too high psf, then also dun bother to launch lah :banghead:
no..
along that area.. only waterfront wave
that was their new showroom
VIPCLUB2004
23-02-09, 18:39
I heard not 528 but 488!! :D
Extracted from other forum,
Waterfront Waves@bedok reservoir star buy!! 21 Feb 09 12:15 am
33 units avail for star buy now!!!
prices from 528 psf above!!!
sms me at 90686016 for more details now!
Dont miss it
______________________________________________________
Maybe you guys want to check it out.....;)
I have surveyed the surrounding recently and found that stack 15, 16, 21, 22 & 25 are facing directly the HDB opp. which are less than 50m apart. wow, that is not very good. The designer should have some of these stacks positioned at the tennis court site.... at least they face the park opp instead of HDB which are so near.
Water Lover
26-02-09, 17:18
I have surveyed the surrounding recently and found that stack 15, 16, 21, 22 & 25 are facing directly the HDB opp. which are less than 50m apart. wow, that is not very good. The designer should have some of these stacks positioned at the tennis court site.... at least they face the park opp instead of HDB which are so near.
In a land scarce country like Singapore, land is expensive. Developer will maximise whatever space they have. It is unavoidable sometime. If you choose those facing reservoir, you have a fantastic view which come at a premium but you have to "tahunt" the traffic noise night & day. Of course for those who are rich & can afford to leave the air-con on whole day than these stacks are the best. Left and right are reserved for new development. Facing the park is good but I think you may get the noise from PIE. stack 15, 16...etc. which you mentioned, I think developer has problem because of space constraint but at least it screen off the noise from PIE and afternoon sun and has a open HDB carpark creating some opened space and quiet. Those pool facing which people always claimed good are normally facing opposite neighbours and blocked all wind coming in. You can even see & hear what your neighbour cooking for some of my friend condo which I visited. So u have to decide which one u can "tahunt" more. One think I find good abt WW which is designed by DP architects, it seemed that the units are spacious and the facing is outward minimizing facing your neughbours which can be metres about.:confused:
Ya boy.. I visited those condos and small developments.. getting worse and worse.. all so close to one another... It's even worse than HDB...
I actually find HDB now seems to be getting better than condos..hmm...kaka
no body go visit showroom? just back, selling 600psf only...
I have surveyed the surrounding recently and found that stack 15, 16, 21, 22 & 25 are facing directly the HDB opp. which are less than 50m apart. wow, that is not very good. The designer should have some of these stacks positioned at the tennis court site.... at least they face the park opp instead of HDB which are so near.
think stack 25 is the best buy with best price.... balcony facing tennis court, and with the bedok town park seperate from PIE... if you stay higher, actually is noiser... noise travels upward :)
no body go visit showroom? just back, selling 600psf only...
went to take a look, pretty quiet for a saturday afternoon. 600psf is only for "star buys" below 8th level, i think.
once again, huge huge balcony area.
yup, 600-730psf for the star buy below 8th floor. Reservoir facing still selling at >800+psf.
sold 8-9 units since relaunched with new price.
Showroom setting up for the other plot of land (not the waterfront collection). From the outline of the showroom, it seems not as well design like waterfront wave, probably priced cheaper (just thoughts).
this may stir up a price war for that stretch.
went to take a look, pretty quiet for a saturday afternoon. 600psf is only for "star buys" below 8th level, i think.
once again, huge huge balcony area.
yup, 600-730psf for the star buy below 8th floor. Reservoir facing still selling at >800+psf.
sold 8-9 units since relaunched with new price.
Showroom setting up for the other plot of land (not the waterfront collection). From the outline of the showroom, it seems not as well design like waterfront wave, probably priced cheaper (just thoughts).
this may stir up a price war for that stretch.
they actually own the whole stretch of land...
noblebaby, ca i confirm with you that along highway, higher floor will hear the noise more?
they actually own the whole stretch of land...
noblebaby, ca i confirm with you that along highway, higher floor will hear the noise more?
yes, higher floor more noisy... you can go try at the HDB nearby, at lower floor, you feel nothing... once get to higher floor, 10th, you hear sound from cars along PIE... but not lound and very constant, coz quite a distant...
yup, 600-730psf for the star buy below 8th floor. Reservoir facing still selling at >800+psf.
sold 8-9 units since relaunched with new price.
Showroom setting up for the other plot of land (not the waterfront collection). From the outline of the showroom, it seems not as well design like waterfront wave, probably priced cheaper (just thoughts).
this may stir up a price war for that stretch.
they got 1 showroom only right? which is the waterfront wave. beside the showroom, construction is going on... think only piling work.
whole piece of land owned by Fraser... you think they will sell below 500 psft???
they actually own the whole stretch of land...
noblebaby, ca i confirm with you that along highway, higher floor will hear the noise more?
noise travel upward
the highest the noisest
noise travel upward
the highest the noisest
It will not amp. the noise. Noise travel in all direction. In high floor, your units are not being blocked, so the noise is not being absorpted. It is just as you are next to the noise generator.
poohbear32
01-03-09, 00:15
yup, 600-730psf for the star buy below 8th floor. Reservoir facing still selling at >800+psf.
sold 8-9 units since relaunched with new price.
Showroom setting up for the other plot of land (not the waterfront collection). From the outline of the showroom, it seems not as well design like waterfront wave, probably priced cheaper (just thoughts).
this may stir up a price war for that stretch.
I heard the price is from $600psf for those units with pool and park view and those with partial reservoir view are from $630psf. Quite a drop from their previous pricing.
went to take a look, pretty quiet for a saturday afternoon. 600psf is only for "star buys" below 8th level, i think.
once again, huge huge balcony area.
if you look at 600psf for LH99 years then might as well top a little bit more @ $700k to get a FH D15 3bdrm unit?
:)
Pet
if you look at 600psf for LH99 years then might as well top a little bit more @ $700k to get a FH D15 3bdrm unit?
:)
Pet
Even 600psft... Still cant get 3br at WW @ 700k....
One thing i like is the lake.... Quite relaxing to stay there.... But the road infront it is quite noisy....
Even 600psft... Still cant get 3br at WW @ 700k....
One thing i like is the lake.... Quite relaxing to stay there.... But the road infront it is quite noisy....
that's why i am very super confident that i have the best priced 3bdrm in hand mah... anyone keen? lolz...
:)
Pet
that's why i am very super confident that i have the best priced 3bdrm in hand mah... anyone keen? lolz...
:)
Pet
what is the development? how high?
Water Lover
01-03-09, 13:58
Those who been to showroom can please confirm are stack 22 or 21 still available?
Is it at $600 psf. & below any freebies like DPS or interest absorption and stamp duty absorb by developer??
Cheers;)
what is the development? how high?
yeah, show us where to get 3rm FH at D15 at $700k, lolz
Those who been to showroom can please confirm are stack 22 or 21 still available?
Is it at $600 psf. & below any freebies like DPS or interest absorption and stamp duty absorb by developer??
Cheers;)
not sure, think still got... coz 22 & 21 facing HDB... who want to buy??? :ashamed1:
not sure, think still got... coz 22 & 21 facing HDB... who want to buy??? :ashamed1:
But.. the condo is for mass market ..so nothing wrong with facing HDB..
since most of the owners will be HDB upgraders anyway.. kaka
Those who been to showroom can please confirm are stack 22 or 21 still available?
Is it at $600 psf. & below any freebies like DPS or interest absorption and stamp duty absorb by developer??
Cheers;)
heard from ERA agents... yes, got interest absorption scheme, but unit price 3% higher... no freebies... no stamp duty absorption... all price from $600 psft
Sales is ok only... 12 units sold over weekend.
If you like the lake, the WW is your choice... if not, better go for FH at D15 as recommanded by Pet :)
they got 1 showroom only right? which is the waterfront wave. beside the showroom, construction is going on... think only piling work.
whole piece of land owned by Fraser... you think they will sell below 500 psft???
Whole pc of land belongs to Fraser ? My understanding from the agent, fraser owns the land on the water front wave (of course) + the plot nearer to baywater. They called it the waterfront collection.
At the other end (nearer to the HDB), there is one more showroom setting up.. I dont think this belongs to Fraser. the style is somewhat different, look slightly "cheapo" compare to waterfront wave.
Whole pc of land belongs to Fraser ? My understanding from the agent, fraser owns the land on the water front wave (of course) + the plot nearer to baywater. They called it the waterfront collection.
At the other end (nearer to the HDB), there is one more showroom setting up.. I dont think this belongs to Fraser. the style is somewhat different, look slightly "cheapo" compare to waterfront wave.
icic... i didnt walk to that end... so didnt see the showroom... hmnnn... dont know when is the launching...
any way, there are 4 new condo to be built, all belonged to Fraser... the first one is WW.
icic... i didnt walk to that end... so didnt see the showroom... hmnnn... dont know when is the launching...
any way, there are 4 new condo to be built, all belonged to Fraser... the first one is WW.
I heard that they will be closing the current showroom and shift to the new one,.. along the road further down from the PIE (bedok north ave 3) exit...
hope it is not too crappy... heard that far east was bad previously... not sure if they will do the same this time round... cutting corners and lots of weird corners...
I heard that they will be closing the current showroom and shift to the new one,.. along the road further down from the PIE (bedok north ave 3) exit...
hope it is not too crappy... heard that far east was bad previously... not sure if they will do the same this time round... cutting corners and lots of weird corners...
yes, far east was bad maybe 10-15 years ago... if you ask those middle age person, they will tell you the same thing...
Anyway, this is a JV between FCL and FE... FCL is the lead managment, so should be better...
ooo... why they want to shift the showroom? Give way to connstruction? Anyone know what project is going on beside the current showroom, is that the site waterfront wave?
is actually three.... waterfront quay, waterfront waves and waterfront view.... collectively know as the Waterfront Collection...whole plot of land belongs to Fraser/FEO...
the stack of 2 brm facing the park (unblocked) .... psf ard $750..omg..:scared-4:
icic... i didnt walk to that end... so didnt see the showroom... hmnnn... dont know when is the launching...
any way, there are 4 new condo to be built, all belonged to Fraser... the first one is WW.
is actually three.... waterfront quay, waterfront waves and waterfront view.... collectively know as the Waterfront Collection...whole plot of land belongs to Fraser/FEO...
the stack of 2 brm facing the park (unblocked) .... psf ard $750..omg..:scared-4:
ooo... waterfront key and waterfront view launch already? where is the showroom?
ooo... waterfront key and waterfront view launch already? where is the showroom?
this month to launch... but drove by and nothing up... :tsk-tsk:
anyway.. it is just along the road, further down from the PIE exit...
any forumer here bought WW?
pls. share share :D
any forumer here bought WW?
pls. share share :D
haha, also interested in this development... but only walk walk see see... :(
haha, also interested in this development... but only walk walk see see... :(
the project is quite nice, infront of the lake, best for nature lover... just that price is still high :banghead:
i went to the showroom last weekend..and i could tell that i luv the surrounding area even before i get into the showroom. Nice to have a unit there!:ashamed1::ashamed1:
:doh: me bought a 3 bedrm high floor. facing the pool and hv a partial reservoir view. think of it, the price i paid is a bit steep. but ok, for own stay.....have to pay a premium for the unit u like.
:doh: me bought a 3 bedrm high floor. facing the pool and hv a partial reservoir view. think of it, the price i paid is a bit steep. but ok, for own stay.....have to pay a premium for the unit u like.
when do you bought it? mind to share the "steep" price as psft? :p
the project is quite nice, infront of the lake, best for nature lover... just that price is still high :banghead:
exactly..
Except there is concern on the peak hour traffic on that 2 lane road.. with so many projects built along this road. how bad is the morning and evening jam going to be?
exactly..
Except there is concern on the peak hour traffic on that 2 lane road.. with so many projects built along this road. how bad is the morning and evening jam going to be?
planning to get one? heard this weekend another round of relaunch...
This is one of my favorite projects :)
extracted from www.SG-house.com.sg (http://www.SG-house.com.sg)
Waterfront Waves @ Bedok Reservoir (Starbuy Promo)
Price from $552psf up (Priced to sell)
Comprising of exclusively 405 units
2/3/4 bedrooms available
Full Condo Facilities
$552psf sure or not? very cheap! :beats-me-man:
Also interested, waiting for price to drop further...
This is one of my favorite projects :)
extracted from www.SG-house.com.sg (http://www.SG-house.com.sg)
Waterfront Waves @ Bedok Reservoir (Starbuy Promo)
Price from $552psf up (Priced to sell)
Comprising of exclusively 405 units
2/3/4 bedrooms available
Full Condo Facilities
$552psf sure or not? very cheap! :beats-me-man:
:doh: paid 770 psf, level 14, able to see not only wf landscape, but also the two upcoming new condo.
hayata1972
05-03-09, 11:39
:doh: paid 770 psf, level 14, able to see not only wf landscape, but also the two upcoming new condo.
$770 with full reservior view?
$770 with full reservior view?
yeah, need to pay extra $150 premium for the view... if got money, no problem, good choice. :doh:
WolleyDragon
05-03-09, 12:31
$770 with full reservior view?
That was phase 1 launch price..
what's the phase 2 price for full reservior view? still $770 to $800 plus?
If its still at this price, no point considering as at these prices, can get FH at D15..
East Lover
05-03-09, 14:45
That was phase 1 launch price..
what's the phase 2 price for full reservior view? still $770 to $800 plus?
If its still at this price, no point considering as at these prices, can get FH at D15..
Got agent called from the sales site, saying very very cheap now. but asked further, those good facing, higher floor all around end of $700 psf. full reservior maybe over 800 psf. no diff from previous. the cheap cheap one are those no view, low floor type. the total price is nearly to $800K. Given such big big balcony, bay window everywhere, how to resell after few years stay? what's the selling point for such kind of unit? don't forget such unit in the near by projects was ever down to $500K!
so think twice. rather pay a bit more ($100K?) for good facing unit, or $300K more for D15 FH projects :spliff2:
OR compare with the Simei new condo first this weekend?:spliff:
Got agent called from the sales site, saying very very cheap now. but asked further, those good facing, higher floor all around end of $700 psf. full reservior maybe over 800 psf. no diff from previous. the cheap cheap one are those no view, low floor type. the total price is nearly to $800K. Given such big big balcony, bay window everywhere, how to resell after few years stay? what's the selling point for such kind of unit? don't forget such unit in the near by projects was ever down to $500K!
so think twice. rather pay a bit more ($100K?) for good facing unit, or $300K more for D15 FH projects :spliff2:
OR compare with the Simei new condo first this weekend?:spliff:
Don't buy through agent... buy directly from developer... the price is different.... I know the lake facing is around $750psf... Pool facing is around $620psf... Some unit low floor at around $580psf...
$300k extra to buy D15?!? I better spend $300k to buy another HDB to rent out...
Some HDB near the lake or near the Bedok centre are selling at 500-600k. :banghead:
WolleyDragon
07-03-09, 21:31
Today went down to the showroom for viewing (been there b4, just wanted to find out the phase 2 pricing)..
Ended up.. Same old same old... Prices are still very high.. reservoir view still 800 plus psf.. told agent serving me that with this price can get D15 FH, agent also LL, can only say it's a lifestyle decision..
Oh well, am in no hurry.. time is on my side :)
Today went down to the showroom for viewing (been there b4, just wanted to find out the phase 2 pricing)..
Ended up.. Same old same old... Prices are still very high.. reservoir view still 800 plus psf.. told agent serving me that with this price can get D15 FH, agent also LL, can only say it's a lifestyle decision..
Oh well, am in no hurry.. time is on my side :)
What about other unit not facing the lake?
Dont buy through agent.... Talk directly to developer... I think buy from ERA is 20 to 50 more expensive psft... Any one can clarify?!
I think facing lake one vry hard to go lower, developer wan to get ride of those non lake view.... I think facing park can get 600psft...
Water Lover
08-03-09, 20:57
Agent & Banker say buyers will benefit as developer will absorb the ineterest under the IAS. But when ask how much is the saving they just mumble....
Do anyone of you know actually how to calculate this saving?:confused:
Is it worth to pay 3% extra for this IAS?????
Don't want to end up like bank products saga, buying something
from someone who dosen't know what they are selling....:scared-3:
Agent & Banker say buyers will benefit as developer will absorb the ineterest under the IAS. But when ask how much is the saving they just mumble....
Do anyone of you know actually how to calculate this saving?:confused:
Is it worth to pay 3% extra for this IAS?????
Don't want to end up like bank products saga, buying something
from someone who dosen't know what they are selling....:scared-3:
hmnnn... i'm not sure... unless a person loan 90%, and the project take longer than expected time to complete... if not, i think progressive payment is better... atleast the interest before TOP is lower... pay off sooner is better...
Agent & Banker say buyers will benefit as developer will absorb the ineterest under the IAS. But when ask how much is the saving they just mumble....
Do anyone of you know actually how to calculate this saving?:confused:
Is it worth to pay 3% extra for this IAS?????
Don't want to end up like bank products saga, buying something
from someone who dosen't know what they are selling....:scared-3:
I refer to my past info.... it is about 3%... so not much benefit... probably 5-10k saving if u get IAS...
benchmark the double bay, progressive is 886k while IAS is 906k... so 18k... i have old info of property 800k, loan 80%... the interest till TOP is ~24k...
WolleyDragon
08-03-09, 22:26
What about other unit not facing the lake?
Dont buy through agent.... Talk directly to developer... I think buy from ERA is 20 to 50 more expensive psft... Any one can clarify?!
I think facing lake one vry hard to go lower, developer wan to get ride of those non lake view.... I think facing park can get 600psft...
Only selling point of this development is the reservoir view.. other than that, nothing special..
Water Lover
08-03-09, 22:41
Thanks Kgchong & noblebaby.
I think both of you got a point. I think the saving is actually the interest
that buyer supposed to pay the bank when it disburse the loan to developer when the structure is progressively built.
As to noblebaby point, I don't think there is a reduction in
capital sum but rather benefit of delay in paying the interest.
The benefit is more of delay in coming out any money until TOP
and provided we make use of the money saved to generate some interest
otherwise it seems not much difference. Quite similar to the defer payment scheme I guess.
Don't know whether I got it right.:p
Water Lover
08-03-09, 22:59
Only selling point of this development is the reservoir view.. other than that, nothing special..
I think is more of personal preference and the reservoir being the intrinsic value of this project. Imagine coming home after a hard day's work and relax at the "lake" some called it. In fact I remember those days when only the very rich owns condo. all their location are ulu, ulu where everybody owns a car not like now where they are next to HDB flats etc which
are not very much different from staying in HDB flat.
To those who are just buying for investment in mind, I think you may be right but than how many condo in Singapore is just 10 to 20 metres away
from a reservoir, pls name me one beside those at bedok reservoir.
Cheers:)
I think is more of personal preference and the reservoir being the intrinsic value of this project. Imagine coming home after a hard day's work and relax at the "lake" some called it. In fact I remember those days when only the very rich owns condo. all their location are ulu, ulu where everybody owns a car not like now where they are next to HDB flats etc which
are not very much different from staying in HDB flat.
To those who are just buying for investment in mind, I think you may be right but than how many condo in Singapore is just 10 to 20 metres away
from a reservoir, pls name me one beside those at bedok reservoir.
Cheers:)
I am in total agreement with WaterLover. It is sufficient to stay just a stone throw away from a nice peaceful lake than to pay high premium to stay directly facing the lake. and not to mention the road before the lake. I hope someone do notice that there is traffic lights and bus stops there!
If i were to buy one unit there, i wud rather spend the premium on my ID. I can imagine myself taking a walk along the lake after dinner at home. :ashamed1:
Waterfront Waves
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Brand New Full Facilities Condominium @ Bedok Reservoir.
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Developer has released 30 units to sell attractively.
(20 more units has been released due to good Sales !!!)
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50 units selling around $552psf to $699psf (Averagely $620psf) Now more than 30 units have been Sold
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Call now to find out more......
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Roger Tan - 9061-9884
HSR
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Showflat prominently located along Bedok Reservoir.
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Mainly Highlight of this Condominium by the Reservoir Bay.
405 Units
2 Facings/Tower/Front Back
Spacious full gym
Full facilities
- Spa beds
- Rock climbing wall
- Viewing tower
- 2 tennis courts
- Childrens splash deck
- BBQ pits
- 50m pool
- Full children's playground
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405 units with approx 441 Covered car parks lots
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2bdrm - 980 sqft
3bdrm - 1249/1270/1292/1313/1346 sqft
3+study - 1399sqft
4bdrm - 1593/1615 sqft
4+1 Penthse - 2992sqft (Last unit)
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Maintenance fee Estimated -
2bdrm - approx $230 p/mth
3/3Study bdrm - approx $270 p/mth
4bdrm - approx $300 p/mth
4Penthse - approx $380-$400 p/mth
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Free shuttle service for 1st year from developer
In any case if the shuttle services are not sufficient
Here are the list of buses going pass Waterfront Waves currently
Bus no :-
2N - MARINA CTR TER
5 - BT MERAH INT / PASIR RIS INT
21 - ST. MICHAEL'S TER / PASIR RIS INT
22 - ANG MO KIO INT / TAMPINES INT
59 - BISHAN INT / CHANGI VILLAGE TER
65 - HARBOURFRONT INT / TAMPINES INT
66 - JURONG EAST INT / BEDOK INT
228 - BEDOK INT (Loop)
506 - JURONG EAST INT / UPP EAST COAST TER
CT18 - NEW BRIDGE RD TER / BEDOK INT
SS2 - BEDOK INT / BEDOK
You can check the details of bus journey over here
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg
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Beside water area = cooler surrounding. Another ideal place for your morning/evening jog/cycling/inline skating or family stroll. Have your picnic their with your love ones.
Easy Access to PIE with new openings at Bedok North Ave 3 road.
Various schools around.
Near NTUC / Sheng Shiong supermarket @ Bedok Reservoir Town (2/3 bus stops away - approx 1km away)
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Waterfront/Bedok Reservoir/East Area Home seekers. Give me a chance to discuss with you the open price @ the showflat
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Is a fair price for a Brand New Condominium from two established developers
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Far East Org and Fraser & Neave Centerpoint.
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Give me a chance to present and show you the uniqueness and potential of this development
Ground Floor unit Released for Ground Floor + Patio Lovers.
3 bedrm 1281sqft - $719,100+ ($552psf) (2 units)
4 bedrm 1582sqft - $921,600+ (583psf) (1 unit)
Roger Tan - 9061-9884
Ground Floor unit Released for Ground Floor + Patio Lovers.
3 bedrm 1281sqft - $719,100+ ($552psf) (2 units)
4 bedrm 1582sqft - $921,600+ (583psf) (1 unit)
Roger Tan - 9061-9884
If I'm not wrong, Casa Merah and Waterfront Waves were launching at the same time... however, Casa Merah is going to TOP by this year, but why Waterfront Waves is still a piece of empty land? What's wrong with this slow progress? :banghead:
If I'm not wrong, Casa Merah and Waterfront Waves were launching at the same time... however, Casa Merah is going to TOP by this year, but why Waterfront Waves is still a piece of empty land? What's wrong with this slow progress? :banghead:
Casa Merah launch much more early than waterfront Waves
Waterfront wave , by right should launch early but due to a resident went to court to stop the transaction. It was delay.
Casa Merah launch at April 07 while Waterfront Wave, phase 1 is during Q1 08
Casa Merah launch much more early than waterfront Waves
Waterfront wave , by right should launch early but due to a resident went to court to stop the transaction. It was delay.
Casa Merah launch at April 07 while Waterfront Wave, phase 1 is during Q1 08
icic.
Do you own any unit of CM or WW?
icic.
Do you own any unit of CM or WW?
none of the above
Ground Floor unit Released for Ground Floor + Patio Lovers.
3 bedrm 1281sqft - $719,100+ ($552psf) (2 units)
4 bedrm 1582sqft - $921,600+ (583psf) (1 unit)
Roger Tan - 9061-9884
Any more release this weekend? Why the developer released only few units at a time?
do you think those best units will be released at the last stage?
Any more release this weekend? Why the developer released only few units at a time?
do you think those best units will be released at the last stage?
test water
if sell well
can increase price
if sell so-so
hold back abit
if sell like hot-cake
all OUT
:smiling-jap:
I'm actually quite interested on this project... and just found out that the Downtown Line stage 3 will be running through Bedok Reservoir... :scared-4:
Background of The Downtown Line
1. The construction of the $12 billion Downtown Line is part of the plan to develop a comprehensive rail network system to meet our travel needs in the future.
2. The Downtown Line will be built in three stages with a total of 33 stations. These three stages are as follows:
Stage 1: The 4.3km Line comprises 6 stations. These stations are: Chinatown, Cross Street Landmark, Bayfront, Promenade and Bugis. Stage 1 of the Line will be completed in 2013 and will provide a strategic transport link to serve workers, residents and visitors in the exciting Marina Bay area and upcoming developments such as the Marina Bay Sands Integrated Resorts and the Marina Bay Financial Centre.
Stage 2: The 16.6 km Line will feature 12 stations. When completed in 2015, Stage 2 of the Line will run from Bugis along the heavy Bukit Timah traffic corridor to help ease congestion. Commuters traveling from Bukit Panjang to the city will be able to cut their travel time by 10 minutes.
Stage 3: The 19.1km Line will feature 15 stations. It will run through MacPherson, Bedok Reservoir and Tampines ending at the East West Line Expo Station. Scheduled to be completed in 2016, it will reduce travel time by 10 minutes for commuters traveling to the city from Bedok Reservoir and Tampines.
3. The Downtown Line is projected to see a ridership of more than 500,000 daily when in full operation. Construction of Stage 1 of the Line is under way.
http://www.lta.gov.sg/images/Annex_4_Bkgd_DTL.pdf
Singapore Future MRT lines???
http://www.singaporepropertymarket.com/images/Future_MRT_LRT_SystemMap.jpg
With the recent BIG LOSSES in GIC and Temasek Holdings, i don't think i will put bet on Bukit Timah and Eastern Region Lines.
Ground Floor unit Released for Ground Floor + Patio Lovers.
3 bedrm 1281sqft - $719,100+ ($552psf) (2 units)
4 bedrm 1582sqft - $921,600+ (583psf) (1 unit)
Roger Tan - 9061-9884
Is this pricing from developer or sub sale?
With the recent BIG LOSSES in GIC and Temasek Holdings, i don't think i will put bet on Bukit Timah and Eastern Region Lines.
Not sure the track is above ground or under ground... If it is above ground n running along the lake, then it will damage the view of those units facing the lake... :scared-3:
Is this pricing from developer or sub sale?
Price from developer... Heard new relaunch this weekend can go check out the showroom
With the recent BIG LOSSES in GIC and Temasek Holdings, i don't think i will put bet on Bukit Timah and Eastern Region Lines.
Haha don't underestimate Sgp govt :tsk-tsk: The loss is just a scratch to the coffers. Furthermore Sgp Need these infrastructure construction to go on.... Else more pple lose their jobs in the construction industry...
Haha don't underestimate Sgp govt :tsk-tsk: The loss is just a scratch to the coffers. Furthermore Sgp Need these infrastructure construction to go on.... Else more pple lose their jobs in the construction industry...
Yalor 100bil paper loss is just peanut to sg garment... Need more infra expenditure to boost GDP!
Haha don't underestimate Sgp govt :tsk-tsk: The loss is just a scratch to the coffers. Furthermore Sgp Need these infrastructure construction to go on.... Else more pple lose their jobs in the construction industry...
Do you know what is a B? Singapore GDP for last year is only 230B. Lost of 100B is equal to Singapore economy is at complete rest for 5 months.
Of course that is only paper lost. Hopefully Citibank will rocket soon... Otherwise GIC will have to change name liaw. :D
francistaong
12-03-09, 20:01
Join the fun at Bedok Reservior. The latest water sport hub.
Imagine waking up to a reservior view and able to have a waterfront living at a fraction of the cost compare to Pebble Bay, Caribbean which are also 99 year lease and selling @ 1200psf and above.
Here at Waterfront Waves, we are looking at 560psf to 850 psf with about 45% sold. In fact 80% of reservior facing units are sold with last 2 new stacks just released.
New showflat with both 3 and 4 bedroom layout will be available to view.
Current showflat will be close to allow construction for Waterfront Waves to start.
Total 405 units with price ranging from 570psf to 850psf
Comprising of exclusively 405 units
2/3/4 bedrooms available
Full Condo Facilities
UNIT TYPES
2 Bedrooms (980sqft) - 48 units
3 Bedrooms (1,249sqft to 1,442sqft) - 237 units
4 Bedrooms (1,518sqft to 1,690sqft) - 116 units
4 Bedrooms Penthouse (2,992sqft ) - LEFT ONE UNIT ONLY !!
FULL CONDO FACILITIES
Lap Pool
Splash Pool
Splash Deck
Spa Pool - Spa Beds, Spa Seats, Hydro Massage Shower & Aqua Gymnasium
Eco-pond
Lounge Decks
Viewing Decks
BBQ Pavilions
Jogging Track
Children's Playground
Rock Climbing Wall
Recreation Tennis Courts
Clubhouse - Gymnasium, MPH, Male/Female Changing Room with Steam Rooms & Handicap Toilets
PAYMENT SCHEMES
Interest Absorption Payments Available and Progressive
Special Starbuy Promotion Available at Special Price and Selected Units
For viewing and information , please call francis @ 91163014.
Join the fun at Bedok Reservior. The latest water sport hub.
Imagine waking up to a reservior view and able to have a waterfront living at a fraction of the cost compare to Pebble Bay, Caribbean which are also 99 year lease and selling @ 1200psf and above.
Here at Waterfront Waves, we are looking at 560psf to 850 psf with about 45% sold. In fact 80% of reservior facing units are sold with last 2 new stacks just released.
New showflat with both 3 and 4 bedroom layout will be available to view.
Current showflat will be close to allow construction for Waterfront Waves to start.
Total 405 units with price ranging from 570psf to 850psf
Comprising of exclusively 405 units
2/3/4 bedrooms available
Full Condo Facilities
UNIT TYPES
2 Bedrooms (980sqft) - 48 units
3 Bedrooms (1,249sqft to 1,442sqft) - 237 units
4 Bedrooms (1,518sqft to 1,690sqft) - 116 units
4 Bedrooms Penthouse (2,992sqft ) - LEFT ONE UNIT ONLY !!
FULL CONDO FACILITIES
Lap Pool
Splash Pool
Splash Deck
Spa Pool - Spa Beds, Spa Seats, Hydro Massage Shower & Aqua Gymnasium
Eco-pond
Lounge Decks
Viewing Decks
BBQ Pavilions
Jogging Track
Children's Playground
Rock Climbing Wall
Recreation Tennis Courts
Clubhouse - Gymnasium, MPH, Male/Female Changing Room with Steam Rooms & Handicap Toilets
PAYMENT SCHEMES
Interest Absorption Payments Available and Progressive
Special Starbuy Promotion Available at Special Price and Selected Units
For viewing and information , please call francis @ 91163014.
OMG, only 45% sold after launched for more than a year... agent pls. work harder to sell sell sell... :D i'm going to buy one soon... still researching :D :D .... want to buy the Quartz, but missed the boat during re-launch... hope more boats coming :D :D
Join the fun at Bedok Reservior. The latest water sport hub.
Imagine waking up to a reservior view and able to have a waterfront living at a fraction of the cost compare to Pebble Bay, Caribbean which are also 99 year lease and selling @ 1200psf and above.
Here at Waterfront Waves, we are looking at 560psf to 850 psf with about 45% sold. In fact 80% of reservior facing units are sold with last 2 new stacks just released.
New showflat with both 3 and 4 bedroom layout will be available to view.
Current showflat will be close to allow construction for Waterfront Waves to start.
Total 405 units with price ranging from 570psf to 850psf
Comprising of exclusively 405 units
2/3/4 bedrooms available
Full Condo Facilities
UNIT TYPES
2 Bedrooms (980sqft) - 48 units
3 Bedrooms (1,249sqft to 1,442sqft) - 237 units
4 Bedrooms (1,518sqft to 1,690sqft) - 116 units
4 Bedrooms Penthouse (2,992sqft ) - LEFT ONE UNIT ONLY !!
FULL CONDO FACILITIES
Lap Pool
Splash Pool
Splash Deck
Spa Pool - Spa Beds, Spa Seats, Hydro Massage Shower & Aqua Gymnasium
Eco-pond
Lounge Decks
Viewing Decks
BBQ Pavilions
Jogging Track
Children's Playground
Rock Climbing Wall
Recreation Tennis Courts
Clubhouse - Gymnasium, MPH, Male/Female Changing Room with Steam Rooms & Handicap Toilets
PAYMENT SCHEMES
Interest Absorption Payments Available and Progressive
Special Starbuy Promotion Available at Special Price and Selected Units
For viewing and information , please call francis @ 91163014.
is this phase II or the same plot of land or adjacent plot?
Heard from agent new showroom is opening this coming weekend... this time includes the 3-brm as well as the 4-brm layout.
:doh: heard that if a project is 50% sold, then the developer will breakeven.....if it's true, then i think the price of wf will be unlikely to come down since developer can sell slowly till top.
OMG, only 45% sold after launched for more than a year... agent pls. work harder to sell sell sell... :D i'm going to buy one soon... still researching :D :D .... want to buy the Quartz, but missed the boat during re-launch... hope more boats coming :D :D
Seriously.... I cannot decide. Which is better... The quartz or Waterfront??
The Quartz is very near MRT but no view and blend into HDB. Waterfront have wonderful view and surrounded by private properties... Hmmm.. is it more worth to buy??
propertyinvestor
13-03-09, 12:32
Seriously.... I cannot decide. Which is better... The quartz or Waterfront??
The Quartz is very near MRT but no view and blend into HDB. Waterfront have wonderful view and surrounded by private properties... Hmmm.. is it more worth to buy??
I think Quartz is almost fully sold. Last heard 2 weeks ago were 7 units left and most of them were high floor and will be more expensive. It may be fully sold by now. So I think no need to consider Quartz already.
:doh: i did consider buying quartz b4 buying wf. i found that the balcony (quartz) is too small to put a chair n table. futhermore, like what u said, there is no view. wf is more of lifestyle. it is only 5 mins drive to tampines mall n century square. more convenient.
propertyinvestor
13-03-09, 12:39
:doh: i did consider buying quartz b4 buying wf. i found that the balcony (quartz) is too small to put a chair n table. futhermore, like what u said, there is no view. wf is more of lifestyle. it is only 5 mins drive to tampines mall n century square. more convenient.
I think you probably refer to the planter. They are not meant for putting tables and chairs. (Only few units got balcony if I am not wrong. Those at very high floor, and they are not small either).
hm.. don't understand why. I was hoping to buy from subsale (Quartz), but they are asking for sky high.... really not worth to pay for somewhere surrounded by HDB.
Going to see Waterfront showflat later.
Seriously.... I cannot decide. Which is better... The quartz or Waterfront??
The Quartz is very near MRT but no view and blend into HDB. Waterfront have wonderful view and surrounded by private properties... Hmmm.. is it more worth to buy??
If you like nature, I think waterfront waves is a good choice... and it's near to Tampines too... several public buses to there also if you dont want to drive...
Heard there's a new showroom... i may go to see it tomorrow... I visited the Quartz showroom also... for the same price, i would go to waterfront... more important is lifestyle... :)
yeah, sub-sale price is still sky high... it is better to get it from developer... i think you missed the boat for the Quartz already...
hm.. don't understand why. I was hoping to buy from subsale (Quartz), but they are asking for sky high.... really not worth to pay for somewhere surrounded by HDB.
Going to see Waterfront showflat later.
Value of a property all depend on location. View is least important factor or more of a kind of life style or preference.
In fact, those new HDB near to Bungkok MRT look quite modern & elegant + underground car park.
In term of potential, The Quartz is definite higher. Future punggol waterfront + Serangoon Mall + Easier & faster to reach orchard.
For waterfront, the future MRT station is at the other side of the lake + it is still quite uncertain there will be a MRT station + When?.
Value of a property all depend on location. View is least important factor or more of a kind of life style or preference.
In fact, those new HDB near to Bungkok MRT look quite modern & elegant + underground car park.
In term of potential, The Quartz is definite higher. Future punggol waterfront + Serangoon Mall + Easier & faster to reach orchard.
For waterfront, the future MRT station is at the other side of the lake + it is still quite uncertain there will be a MRT station + When?.
Take a look at those HDB around Bedok reservior/Bedok central and those at Buongkok, and compare their price. See which one is higher. :doh:
Future Punggol waterfront??? As you said, Gorment lost billions... they will atleast pump in $$$ into Orchard and Marina Bay first... and delay other plans... if you think the MRT station to Bedok is uncertain and it'll be same to Punggol waterfront, both is "when"?!?!
Furthermore, Fraser + Far East will be coorporating with PUB to develope and improve the water body and features of the Bedok Reservior...
Serangoon Mall - that's far away!!! Bedok is near to Tampinese with 2 existing malls and a new one coming up soon... there's also a new mall coming up near Bedok MRT, developed by Fraser...
I'm not bias here... and I don't own any WF or TQ... :doh:
Take a look at those HDB around Bedok reservior/Bedok central and those at Buongkok, and compare their price. See which one is higher. :doh:
Future Punggol waterfront??? As you said, Gorment lost billions... they will atleast pump in $$$ into Orchard and Marina Bay first... and delay other plans... if you think the MRT station to Bedok is uncertain and it'll be same to Punggol waterfront, both is "when"?!?!
Furthermore, Fraser + Far East will be coorporating with PUB to develope and improve the water body and features of the Bedok Reservior...
Serangoon Mall - that's far away!!! Bedok is near to Tampinese with 2 existing malls and a new one coming up soon... there's also a new mall coming up near Bedok MRT, developed by Fraser...
I'm not bias here... and I don't own any WF or TQ... :doh:
Bedok central and bedok reserviour is at least 1.5KM apart. We are comparing bedock reserviour with Bungkok :banghead:
Punggol waterfront is already in Master plan 2008. But not bedok reserviour station. So, punggol waterfront is definitely an early project then that new MRT line.
If FCH and Far East can't sell their project at high price, do you think they still will 100% commit themselves in that project?
Although i own Quartz, but what is stated is all facts just to showcase that The Quartz has higher potential then waterfront's from the current developer price from. :)
Water Lover
13-03-09, 17:55
Bedok central and bedok reserviour is at least 1.5KM apart. We are comparing bedock reserviour with Bungkok :banghead:
Punggol waterfront is already in Master plan 2008. But not bedok reserviour station. So, punggol waterfront is definitely an early project then that new MRT line.
If FCH and Far East can't sell their project at high price, do you think they still will 100% commit themselves in that project?
Although i own Quartz, but what is stated is all facts just to showcase that The Quartz has higher potential then waterfront's from the current developer price from. :)
If not for the planter boxes and odd design esp. the kitchen & surrounded by HDB flats, I would have bought the Quatz. Anyway good buy and enjoy your stay in the Quatz:sleep:
If not for the planter boxes and odd design esp. the kitchen & surrounded by HDB flats, I would have bought the Quatz. Anyway good buy and enjoy your stay in the Quatz:sleep:
Individual will have their own preference. So maybe i won't want to know what is so odd about kitchen and surrounded by new HDB flats. But if you do have time, please go to take a look at those new HDB flats behind Quartz. I assure u will be surprised!
Not sure you aware of new ruling. In old project, developer charge the smae psf for those space in Balcony + planter. In future project, Balcony and Planter is not chargeable. This is new ruling. So, do you think future buyer will pay for your balcony and planter? I think the answer is obvious.
So, those big balcony + big planter lover, please beware. Otherwise you may need the boom in 1997 + 2007 to occur together, in order to make profit in the resale or else have to wait for enblock :D
Water Lover
13-03-09, 23:56
Individual will have their own preference. So maybe i won't want to know what is so odd about kitchen and surrounded by new HDB flats. But if you do have time, please go to take a look at those new HDB flats behind Quartz. I assure u will be surprised!
Not sure you aware of new ruling. In old project, developer charge the smae psf for those space in Balcony + planter. In future project, Balcony and Planter is not chargeable. This is new ruling. So, do you think future buyer will pay for your balcony and planter? I think the answer is obvious.
So, those big balcony + big planter lover, please beware. Otherwise you may need the boom in 1997 + 2007 to occur together, in order to make profit in the resale or else have to wait for enblock :D
You are right, individual preference. The Quartz is a good buy. I think you can make a lot of $$$. For me I will prefer house that I like and usually
comes naturally when i see the surrounding and the internal (the moment I walk in)-resort living type as well. Never really put profit as first priority. Maybe that's my weakness. Afterall about 2/3 of the time at home can't imagine if you don't like the house. Cheers;)
You are right, individual preference. The Quartz is a good buy. I think you can make a lot of $$$. For me I will prefer house that I like and usually
comes naturally when i see the surrounding and the internal (the moment I walk in)-resort living type as well. Never really put profit as first priority. Maybe that's my weakness. Afterall about 2/3 of the time at home can't imagine if you don't like the house. Cheers;)
Heard there's a new showroom, may go check it out this weekend. Do you visit the showroom or the site after your purchase? Can't wait for this project to TOP. :D
Water Lover
14-03-09, 12:25
Heard there's a new showroom, may go check it out this weekend. Do you visit the showroom or the site after your purchase? Can't wait for this project to TOP. :D
Oh I see, there's a new showroom. Guess give way to construction. Looks like your wait would not be long. Once the foundation is done, it would be very fast. I understand how you feel. The thought of having a cup of coffee at the balcony watching over the spectacular reservoir view or being just near it is too much to resist. :cheers1:
May go down to take a look if I have time. wonder anything special.
Construction Progress as on 14th March 2009 :)
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Oh I see, there's a new showroom. Guess give way to construction. Looks like your wait would not be long. Once the foundation is done, it would be very fast. I understand how you feel. The thought of having a cup of coffee at the balcony watching over the spectacular reservoir view or being just near it is too much to resist. :cheers1:
May go down to take a look if I have time. wonder anything special.
I visited the new showroom this morning, quite crowded... the new showroom displays the 3brm (Type B1b) and 4brm (Type D1) units, with totally new interior design. Looks a lot nicer than the previous one.
Now the developer also shows the completed model to display the facing and position of all the stakes. I think they have released all the stacks for sale, average selling price is from $580 psf. :D
I visited the new showroom this morning, quite crowded... the new showroom displays the 3brm (Type B1b) and 4brm (Type D1) units, with totally new interior design. Looks a lot nicer than the previous one.
Now the developer also shows the completed model to display the facing and position of all the stakes. I think they have released all the stacks for sale, average selling price is from $580 psf. :D
so you booked one already? if you don't mind sharing, which facing and what floor that they quoted you?
Water Lover
15-03-09, 17:49
Thanks Nico for the effort in downloading the pictures.
Comprehensive coverage.
went to the new showflat, the layouts are quite proper but was quoted high price for prime units facing the reservoir...almost close to 900psf...
hi nico, are the pics taken from the HDBs behind?
hi nico, are the pics taken from the HDBs behind?
yeap..we went up to the 8th floor of the HDB behind the ww construction site..
WolleyDragon
16-03-09, 13:33
went to the new showflat, the layouts are quite proper but was quoted high price for prime units facing the reservoir...almost close to 900psf...
No chance that prices will come down. Developer is FEO, well known for maintaining prices (even though no one buying, they have holding power)
:doh: prices did come down. i bought my unit last may. based on the same level at stack 23 and with better view than my stack 19. it is cheaper by 16k plus.
:doh: prices did come down. i bought my unit last may. based on the same level at stack 23 and with better view than my stack 19. it is cheaper by 16k plus.
I think finishing is slightly different. The new showflat is equipped with swing door cabinets in all bedroom.
I just bought a place at Waterfront waves under the star buy promotion at stack 3 for 616 psf (Agent said that there is reservoir view from bedroom 3). Love the location but i am getting cold feet from reading all the negative reviews from this thread. Any advice from you guys? For its my first property meant for me and and my future husband.
Thank Nico for posting up the progress of construction. :)
I just bought a place at Waterfront waves under the star buy promotion at stack 3 for 616 psf (Agent said that there is reservoir view from bedroom 3). Love the location but i am getting cold feet from reading all the negative reviews from this thread. Any advice from you guys? For its my first property meant for me and and my future husband.
Thank Nico for posting up the progress of construction. :)
A good project for own stay. I think you have to thanks Soleil, otherwise they will not continue provide Compressed marble floor for the new pricing unit.
High investment potential if the DTL open a station nearby. Otherwise, wait for enblock! :(
unregistered_user
16-03-09, 18:31
Haaa...take it with a pinch of salt on all the comments here.
The people will slam all developments save those that they are vested in :cheers6:
I just bought a place at Waterfront waves under the star buy promotion at stack 3 for 616 psf (Agent said that there is reservoir view from bedroom 3). Love the location but i am getting cold feet from reading all the negative reviews from this thread. Any advice from you guys? For its my first property meant for me and and my future husband.
Thank Nico for posting up the progress of construction. :)
A good project for own stay. I think you have to thanks Soleil, otherwise they will not continue provide Compressed marble floor for the new pricing unit.
High investment potential if the DTL open a station nearby. Otherwise, wait for enblock! :(
What do you mean that they will not continue provide Compressed marble floor for the new pricing unit?
Kenshinto80
16-03-09, 18:57
Individual will have their own preference. So maybe i won't want to know what is so odd about kitchen and surrounded by new HDB flats. But if you do have time, please go to take a look at those new HDB flats behind Quartz. I assure u will be surprised!
Not sure you aware of new ruling. In old project, developer charge the smae psf for those space in Balcony + planter. In future project, Balcony and Planter is not chargeable. This is new ruling. So, do you think future buyer will pay for your balcony and planter? I think the answer is obvious.
So, those big balcony + big planter lover, please beware. Otherwise you may need the boom in 1997 + 2007 to occur together, in order to make profit in the resale or else have to wait for enblock :D
I think you have serious misconception on workings of the new balcony and planter rule and its implication on future developments. You are wrong to say that "Balcony and Planter is not chargeable". Balcony and Planter will still be chargeable by developers to buyers. BUT URA will now charge the developer GFA! The main issue is that whether balcony and planters are indeed totally useless as portrayed by people like you.
There are many people who likes big balcony with planter. Only problem is that some developments do not have balcony at all but lots of planters. That is known as being shortchanged. Personally, do not like developments that have no balcony. Interestingly, residents with balcony are less susceptible to illnesses in a high density environment (Johnson and Newton 1996). In addition, it offers visual relief for high density living. The experience of chatting and coffee breaking on the balcony with your loved ones or friends is also very unique and offers another whole new dimension to your apartment.
Water Lover
16-03-09, 19:30
:doh: prices did come down. i bought my unit last may. based on the same level at stack 23 and with better view than my stack 19. it is cheaper by 16k plus.
16K plus? But from what was advertised & agent advertisement, I thought the price has gone down easily more than 50K. Is there some funny tricks going on?:eek:
I just bought a place at Waterfront waves under the star buy promotion at stack 3 for 616 psf (Agent said that there is reservoir view from bedroom 3). Love the location but i am getting cold feet from reading all the negative reviews from this thread. Any advice from you guys? For its my first property meant for me and and my future husband.
Thank Nico for posting up the progress of construction. :)
Hi cyl, welcome to WF, dont worry, you made the right choice!
16K plus? But from what was advertised & agent advertisement, I thought the price has gone down easily more than 50K. Is there some funny tricks going on?:eek:
I think the price for pool facing is still holding well... Buy 16k is like no drop... Im not so sure.. Based on my info, the drop is atleast $50psf... Except those lake view unit... I think most of d lake view unit are almost sold out... Now mainly left those pool facing.
What do you mean that they will not continue provide Compressed marble floor for the new pricing unit?
I certainly do not think that a good name like Far East and Frasers would ever compromise on the quality of their development and not to mention that WW will not be their last showcase as they have a few more developement to launch. They would be smart enough to better exceed their clients' expectation in order to ensure that they can achieve better sales in future :cheers1:
I just bought a place at Waterfront waves under the star buy promotion at stack 3 for 616 psf (Agent said that there is reservoir view from bedroom 3). Love the location but i am getting cold feet from reading all the negative reviews from this thread. Any advice from you guys? For its my first property meant for me and and my future husband.
Thank Nico for posting up the progress of construction. :)
Why cold feet? Each individual has his/her own opinion. You already said you love the location. There's no need to worry about others comments.
I think you have serious misconception on workings of the new balcony and planter rule and its implication on future developments. You are wrong to say that "Balcony and Planter is not chargeable". Balcony and Planter will still be chargeable by developers to buyers. BUT URA will now charge the developer GFA! The main issue is that whether balcony and planters are indeed totally useless as portrayed by people like you.
There are many people who likes big balcony with planter. Only problem is that some developments do not have balcony at all but lots of planters. That is known as being shortchanged. Personally, do not like developments that have no balcony. Interestingly, residents with balcony are less susceptible to illnesses in a high density environment (Johnson and Newton 1996). In addition, it offers visual relief for high density living. The experience of chatting and coffee breaking on the balcony with your loved ones or friends is also very unique and offers another whole new dimension to your apartment.
This is completely not what i was told. It does not make sense. Government so good? Don't charge GPA and still allow developer to charge purchaser? Nvm i will check tomorrow and update.
I will double check about this
Water Lover
16-03-09, 21:59
Don't need to check further. It was published in Business Times in this forum.
Now u know why i don't like development that built so many planter boxes.
some at least 2 to 3 of them. At least balcony still can use but restrict to living room will be good. planter boxes 5354. but no worry , Quartz good buy:scared-1:
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/...16394,00.html? (http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/suite/story/0,4574,316394,00.html?)
Published January 29, 2009
Rush for URA approvals before window closed
Developers sought provisional nod in Q4 2008 just prior to new rule on GFA
By KALPANA RASHIWALA
(SINGAPORE) All's quiet on the property front but developers secured a raft of approvals (provisional permission) for private residential projects from the Urban Redevelopment Authority in the last quarter of 2008.
The key reason for this is that developers rushed to make their submissions for provisional permission (PP) before a new ruling that scraps the exemption of bay windows and planter boxes from gross floor area (GFA) took effect on Jan 1, noted Credo Real Estate MD Karamjit Singh.
He said: 'With effect from Jan 1, 2009, for any submission for PP, URA will consider bay windows and planter boxes as part of GFA, and that brings down the total saleable area in a project by about 5-12 per cent. So developers were making submissions to secure PP before the change in ruling kicked in - even if they didn't intend to develop or launch their projects in the near future, given the current downturn.'
Agreeing, DTZ executive director Ong Choon Fah said: 'Bay windows and planter boxes are an important contributor to developers' profit margins. In the past when they bought land, they would have assumed these would be exempt from GFA.'
Hong Realty (part of the Hong Leong Group) received PP in Q4 2008 for a 1,517-unit condo project at Pasir Ris Drive 8, while Far East Organization unit Arts Associate Co secured URA's approval for a 234-unit condo at Jalan Datoh/Jalan Dusun in the Balestier area. And Bukit Sembawang bagged PP for a 200-unit condo at St Thomas Walk.
Horizon Partners Pte Ltd - whose shareholders are Hotel Properties, Morgan Stanley Real Estate and Qatar Investment Authority - picked up URA's consent to develop a 253-unit condo and eight detached houses on the Horizon Towers site at Leonie Hill Road.
URA also granted PP between October and December to NTUC Choice Homes unit Choice Homes Gamma for a 571-unit condo at Lor 2/3 Toa Payoh; to TID Pte Ltd for a 282-unit condo at New Upper Changi Road/ Tanah Merah Kechil Ave; and to an MCL Land unit for a 520-unit condo at Yishun Ave 1/2 fronting Lower Seletar Reservoir. The three proposed developments are on 99-year leasehold sites sold through the Government Land Sales Programme last year.
Casuarina Properties, controlled by the Lee Foundation and members of the Lee family, received URA's permission for a cluster housing development at Mount Rosie comprising 191 terrace homes and two semi-detached units.
The proposed Pasir Ris condo project by Hong Realty is on a massive 2.1 million square feet plot that Hong Leong Group owns in Pasir Ris - which the 1,822-unit Livia condo launched last year is part of. City Developments has a 51 per cent stake in the site. Sources say the site was bought for just $10 million decades ago, was originally treated as land for rural or agricultural use and had restrictions on its title.
In the commercial property segment, Hotel 81-linked Citywide Land secured PP to develop a 902-room hotel at Kallang Road in Q4. The project will also have about 4,090 sq ft gross floor area of shop space.
At Jalan Besar/Laven- der Street, Prominent Plaza Investments/Prominent Site Pte Ltd secured URA's consent to develop about 133,800 sq ft of offices and 13,500 sq ft of shop space. Over at Changi Business Park Ave 1, United Engineers Developments picked up URA's consent for a project comprising a 301-room hotel and 59,740 sq ft of shop space.
URA also approved several industrial property projects in Q4. Keppel Shipyard received PP for additions and alterations to its existing factory at Pioneer Sector 1, as did Yamazaki Mazak Singapore for its existing plant at Joo Koon Circle.
URA also granted PP for factory developments to General Magnetics (at Lorong 4 Toa Payoh), Index-Cool Furniture Design & Construction's (Eunos Avenue 3) and Oxley Opportunity #9 Pte Ltd (Pioneer Crescent).
Heard from agent, all the stakes released... 2-brm only left 5 units (total of 48 units) :character0029:
Kenshinto80
16-03-09, 22:45
Don't need to check further. It was published in Business Times in this forum.
Now u know why i don't like development that built so many planter boxes.
some at least 2 to 3 of them. At least balcony still can use but restrict to living room will be good. planter boxes 5354. but no worry , Quartz good buy:scared-1:
The misconception with what many people like Mr Isaaclim believe is that government rule that GFA for planters and balcony now exempted when developer marketed apartment to consumers. This is not true.
Let me quote from the URA Circular: "URA will leave it to the developers and building owners to decide if they wish to continue to provide bay windows and planter boxes for their residential developments so long as these building features are counted as GFA. The industry will have a free hand to design and provide these building features based on their commercial considerations as there will no longer be restrictions on the size of bay windows and planter boxes."
In short, currently, there are many developments such as Mr Issaclim's The Quartz which is filled with planters but no balcony. With the change in rule, developers will be motivated to reduce the number of planters by trying to build more usable enclosed space or still cater to planter but inside balcony to enjoy 10% GFA exemption. This will benefit future consumers since a development with just pure planters (no balcony at all) is usually used to rip off unsuspecting purchasers.
As for the newspaper article, there is a misleading statement made by Credo Real Estate MD Karamjit Singh on the decrease in saleable area by 10%-15%. There is actually no change in saleable area UNLESS developers decide to remove all the original planters and bay windows originally planned.
The misconception with what many people like Mr Isaaclim believe is that government rule that GFA for planters and balcony now exempted when developer marketed apartment to consumers. This is not true.
Let me quote from the URA Circular: "URA will leave it to the developers and building owners to decide if they wish to continue to provide bay windows and planter boxes for their residential developments so long as these building features are counted as GFA. The industry will have a free hand to design and provide these building features based on their commercial considerations as there will no longer be restrictions on the size of bay windows and planter boxes."
In short, currently, there are many developments such as Mr Issaclim's The Quartz which is filled with planters but no balcony. With the change in rule, developers will be motivated to reduce the number of planters by trying to build more usable enclosed space or still cater to planter but inside balcony to enjoy 10% GFA exemption. This will benefit future consumers since a development with just pure planters (no balcony at all) is usually used to rip off unsuspecting purchasers.
As for the newspaper article, there is a misleading statement made by Credo Real Estate MD Karamjit Singh on the decrease in saleable area by 10%-15%. There is actually no change in saleable area UNLESS developers decide to remove all the original planters and bay windows originally planned.
Isn't planter and balcony are being exempted from GFA until 1st Jan? I am really confuse on you this statement "This will benefit future consumers since a development with just pure planters (no balcony at all) is usually used to rip off unsuspecting purchasers." ???!!!
Just make it simple. Balcony and Planter are a mean used by developer to rip off purchasers. With new ruling, they are not longer able to do that.
Ask you a question?
A 1313sf unit without balcony - 600psf
Another 1313sf unit with 200sf balcony - 600psf. Which will you choice?
Water Lover
16-03-09, 23:42
Heard from agent, all the stakes released... 2-brm only left 5 units (total of 48 units) :character0029:
Wow..no bad ah.. To those who bought Waterfront Waves...Cheers!!:cheers1:
Wow..no bad ah.. To those who bought Waterfront Waves...Cheers!!:cheers1:
Hope to see more genuine buyer/owner of WF to join us here... I'm sure WF will be the most popular project from D16 in this forum.:cheers4:
:doh: prices did come down. i bought my unit last may. based on the same level at stack 23 and with better view than my stack 19. it is cheaper by 16k plus.
16k or 160k?!? :banghead: Anyway, stack 23 has partial reservior view... but not stake 19... stack 23 should carries slightly higher premium... for apple-to-apple comparison, one should compare units from the same stake... looks like price for stake 23 may droped by more than 50k :eek: :eek: :eek:
I think finishing is slightly different. The new showflat is equipped with swing door cabinets in all bedroom.
hmnnn... didn't realize the cabinet door when I visited the new showroom on Sunday... what else has been changed? Most important thing for me is the balcony facing, make sure it has good "feng sui" facing, N-S and unblock... as for interior, can ask ID to touch it up! :2cents:
hmnnn... didn't realize the cabinet door when I visited the new showroom on Sunday... what else has been changed? Most important thing for me is the balcony facing, make sure it has good "feng sui" facing, N-S and unblock... as for interior, can ask ID to touch it up! :2cents:
Not sure about the rest. For sure the flooring is still the same.
Kenshinto80
17-03-09, 08:08
Isn't planter and balcony are being exempted from GFA until 1st Jan? I am really confuse on you this statement "This will benefit future consumers since a development with just pure planters (no balcony at all) is usually used to rip off unsuspecting purchasers." ???!!!
Just make it simple. Balcony and Planter are a mean used by developer to rip off purchasers. With new ruling, they are not longer able to do that.
Ask you a question?
A 1313sf unit without balcony - 600psf
Another 1313sf unit with 200sf balcony - 600psf. Which will you choice?
Mr Isaaclim, that is why I pointed out that it boils down to the issue of the value of balcony. I would say that you are a practical type of person as your perception of value in a development is enclosed usable space and attached little value to projects with balcony. For me, I will gladly take the unit with 200 square ft of balcony. So balcony is not really a means by developer to rip off purchasers. Let me stress again, only for units with big planters only. Let me pose back the question, if it is 200 square ft of planters only, will you take it?
Mr Isaaclim, that is why I pointed out that it boils down to the issue of the value of balcony. I would say that you are a practical type of person as your perception of value in a development is enclosed usable space and attached little value to projects with balcony. For me, I will gladly take the unit with 200 square ft of balcony. So balcony is not really a means by developer to rip off purchasers. Let me stress again, only for units with big planters only. Let me pose back the question, if it is 200 square ft of planters only, will you take it?
I would prefer a 200 sqft balcony as well... layered with timber flooring... small table with warm coffee and french toast in the cold breezy morning... enjoying the nature view of bedok...
I can even enjoy my favorite channel CNBC from my balcony!
wao, this is called life! :D :D
:doh: i am comparing stack 19 n stack 23 ( base on same level and facing ). stack 23 should be selling at a higher price than stack 19. but based on current promotion price, stack 23 is selling cheaper than stack 19. but no complain since when i bought stack 19, stack 23 was not released yet.
:doh: i am comparing stack 19 n stack 23 ( base on same level and facing ). stack 23 should be selling at a higher price than stack 19. but based on current promotion price, stack 23 is selling cheaper than stack 19. but no complain since when i bought stack 19, stack 23 was not released yet.
mind to share the price for current stack 19 & 23? coz never check out the price for these stakes, out of my budget :D :D
:doh: high floor for both stack still selling at 700 plus psf. but stack 23 is selling about 30psf lower. stamp duty was absorbed when i bought my unit. now you have to pay, no more absorb by developer. but still cheaper overall then when i bought. stack 23 value for money, has got both pool view and reservoir view. futhermore not close to road, so not noisy. but if u want to be able to see reservoir, must buy level 10 and above. level 9 n below, reservoir view will be blocked by trees. i know becos i used to stay there. hope u will be able to get a unit u like.
Hope to see more genuine buyer/owner of WF to join us here... I'm sure WF will be the most popular project from D16 in this forum.:cheers4:
Thanks for all the encouragements here. So which unit did you buy?
Why cold feet? Each individual has his/her own opinion. You already said you love the location. There's no need to worry about others comments.
Thank you so much. So many nasty comments made earlier by others does dampens the mood. I dont understand where all that hate come from. :doh:
East Lover
17-03-09, 14:35
hmnnn... didn't realize the cabinet door when I visited the new showroom on Sunday... what else has been changed? Most important thing for me is the balcony facing, make sure it has good "feng sui" facing, N-S and unblock... as for interior, can ask ID to touch it up! :2cents:
i thought good 'feng shui' must be S-N facing?
In the current modern design, we are using the facing of living room & balcony to determine the facing of unit, the south facing balcony will be better than north facing one. however, in WW, if you want to beautiful reservior view, you have to tahan the road noise and north facing....
my :2cents:
Property_Owner
17-03-09, 15:02
I would prefer a 200 sqft balcony as well... layered with timber flooring... small table with warm coffee and french toast in the cold breezy morning... enjoying the nature view of bedok...
I can even enjoy my favorite channel CNBC from my balcony!
wao, this is called life! :D :D
200sqft balcony? Wao, can put bed there and sleep already.
Their starbuy with good facing and view is selling at about $640psf..
Hm... still waiting for the price to come down further.
:doh: i think prices unlikely to come down futher. units with good facing are almost taken up. developer can take time to sell the balance units since top only in 2012. futhermore, project sold close to 50%. i think developer already breakeven. don't miss your chioce unit. just my thought.
Thanks for all the encouragements here. So which unit did you buy?
We have a unit on stake 25 :D
i thought good 'feng shui' must be S-N facing?
In the current modern design, we are using the facing of living room & balcony to determine the facing of unit, the south facing balcony will be better than north facing one. however, in WW, if you want to beautiful reservior view, you have to tahan the road noise and north facing....
my :2cents:
You are right, balcony best to face south... the only south facing from WF is those pool view and bedok park view.
N-S facing is also more windy, and with minimal of west sun...
For those facing lake and water is also good feng sui, just that the road infront is abit noisy... the higher you go, the noiser... so, must compromise a bit :D
Their starbuy with good facing and view is selling at about $640psf..
Hm... still waiting for the price to come down further.
Mary, do you mind to share with us what you meant by good facing and view that quoted at $640? Which stake? Stake 25, 26, 3, etc is not bad for the price of $600+ psf
:doh: i think prices unlikely to come down futher. units with good facing are almost taken up. developer can take time to sell the balance units since top only in 2012. futhermore, project sold close to 50%. i think developer already breakeven. don't miss your chioce unit. just my thought.
heard almost half sold already... i think the developer paid $240 psf for the enbloc (previous is waterfront view)... together with the construction cost of $250 psf (just my guessing, i'm not sure the exact cost for current construction)... total will be around $500 psf... price may drop a bit la... but it wont go below $550, except for those very low floor units... :beats-me-man:
Mary, do you mind to share with us what you meant by good facing and view that quoted at $640? Which stake? Stake 25, 26, 3, etc is not bad for the price of $600+ psf
stack 23 mid floor. And i think prices can still negotiate a bit... cos' the agent say bring cheque and can lower abit.
They even show me the future development between waterfront. The same developer bought the land but they sell them separately as 3 developments. there are some atcks that can see your own pool and other development pool.
Mr Isaaclim, that is why I pointed out that it boils down to the issue of the value of balcony. I would say that you are a practical type of person as your perception of value in a development is enclosed usable space and attached little value to projects with balcony. For me, I will gladly take the unit with 200 square ft of balcony. So balcony is not really a means by developer to rip off purchasers. Let me stress again, only for units with big planters only. Let me pose back the question, if it is 200 square ft of planters only, will you take it?
To me, planter and balcony are all useless space. So I think my choice is clear.
Balcony/Planter is definitely cheaper then enclosed space from development cost aspect. If developer sell those two units at the same price, isn't the unit with bigger balcony/planter is a rip off?!!
Waterfront Waves - 158 units sold till Feb 09, think this figure will cross 200 units in March 09!
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6751/91644332.jpg
Price for private housing really fall......... :eek:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6481/69112639.jpg
Price for private housing really fall......... :eek:
Hi Noblebaby,
How or where can get this information?
Hi Noblebaby,
How or where can get this information?
Ok, let me upload the full report to share with you guys :D
21 November 07 The Strait Times
by Fiona Chan, Property Reporter
Waterfront condos coming up at Bedok Reservoir (http://forums.condosingapore.com/)
FOUR condominiums will be built where the former Waterfront View estate in Bedok Reservoir Road used to be.
The first will be launched in the first quarter of next year, said developers Frasers Centrepoint and Far East Organization yesterday.
It will be called Waterfront Waves and have 405 units, of which more than half will be three- and four-bedroom apartments. More than 60 per cent of the units will also have reservoir views, the developers added.
The Straits Times understands that the other three condos will also have 'Waterfront' in their names and are likely to be of similar sizes.
Together known as the Waterfront collection, the four-condo development is the largest in the area to have a direct water frontage, the developers said. In all, it could have 1,600 units.
The developers are also in talks with the Public Utilities Board about 'enhancing the neighbourhood's communal parks and water bodies'.
Although property consultants will not disclose prices for Waterfront Waves, they believe prices may start from $700 per sq ft (psf).
Mr Ku Swee Yong, director of marketing and business development at Savills Singapore, said units on lower floors with no water views could fetch that price.
On higher floors, prices could go up to $850 psf, he added. Frasers Centrepoint and Far East jointly bought the former HUDC site last year for about $240 psf of gross floor area.
East Lover
18-03-09, 10:08
Their starbuy with good facing and view is selling at about $640psf..
Hm... still waiting for the price to come down further.
We went there one of the weekend. Agent told me all the "starbuy" units are below 8th floor, either facing bedok park (in fact facing PIE for those higher a bit units), or facing the club house or drive way, none of the units have direct pool view or lake view. Those good facing units are not elligible for starbuy, meaning you have to pay the original price which is above 800+! :scared-4:
And the agents are very very eager to sell the units. After we left since no much choice, one of them still kept on sending SMS, asking me when to go back...
21 November 07 The Strait Times
by Fiona Chan, Property Reporter
Waterfront condos coming up at Bedok Reservoir (http://forums.condosingapore.com/)
FOUR condominiums will be built where the former Waterfront View estate in Bedok Reservoir Road used to be.
The first will be launched in the first quarter of next year, said developers Frasers Centrepoint and Far East Organization yesterday.
It will be called Waterfront Waves and have 405 units, of which more than half will be three- and four-bedroom apartments. More than 60 per cent of the units will also have reservoir views, the developers added.
The Straits Times understands that the other three condos will also have 'Waterfront' in their names and are likely to be of similar sizes.
Together known as the Waterfront collection, the four-condo development is the largest in the area to have a direct water frontage, the developers said. In all, it could have 1,600 units.
The developers are also in talks with the Public Utilities Board about 'enhancing the neighbourhood's communal parks and water bodies'.
Although property consultants will not disclose prices for Waterfront Waves, they believe prices may start from $700 per sq ft (psf).
Mr Ku Swee Yong, director of marketing and business development at Savills Singapore, said units on lower floors with no water views could fetch that price.
On higher floors, prices could go up to $850 psf, he added. Frasers Centrepoint and Far East jointly bought the former HUDC site last year for about $240 psf of gross floor area.
you do like the place... so extensive study...
you do like the place... so extensive study...
I didn't study much... but I bought a unit some time ago :D Now looking for nice neighbors... :doh:
this place is nice, but I want to make clear that I'm NOT pursuing people to buy here...
:doh: anybody knows ... is st hilda's within 1 km from wf ?
:doh: anybody knows ... is st hilda's within 1 km from wf ?
don't think so
:doh: anybody knows ... is st hilda's within 1 km from wf ?
About 2.2km away from WW
Brought the land at 240psf and selling it at around 650psf for balcony. Isn't this a bloody rip off. :)
No wonder govt want to revert the mistake that they make in 2001. Govt ordinary intent is to promote lifestyle for not counting balcony and planter in GFA. But, too bad, developer ride on this for being their major source of profit.
I didn't study much... but I bought a unit some time ago :D Now looking for nice neighbors... :doh:
this place is nice, but I want to make clear that I'm NOT pursuing people to buy here...
Yes.. WF is a good buy. Just bought one unit at stack 25 over the weekend... Park facing, a little morning sun to the bedroom and a little evening sun to the kitchen. Big balcony (116sqft) amd bright.
Yes.. WF is a good buy. Just bought one unit at stack 25 over the weekend... Park facing, a little morning sun to the bedroom and a little evening sun to the kitchen. Big balcony (116sqft) amd bright.
Congratz. I just visited my friend unit at The Infiniti. Their workmanship quite nice. Hurrah! FCH...!!
Hopefully, FCH can maintain profitable, such that it will not jeopardize their other project.
They are facing some hiccup in Martin Place already. :(
Hopefully, FCH can maintain profitable, such that it will not jeopardize their other project.
They are facing some hiccup in Martin Place already. :(
Martin Place?
why?
proud owner
18-03-09, 15:27
Yes.. WF is a good buy. Just bought one unit at stack 25 over the weekend... Park facing, a little morning sun to the bedroom and a little evening sun to the kitchen. Big balcony (116sqft) amd bright.
is it FH or 99 yr ??
850 psf ?? wow ...
any MRT ?
:doh: don't worry, fch has a strong parent in f&n. not forgetting, temasek has got a stake in f&n.
is it FH or 99 yr ??
850 psf ?? wow ...
any MRT ?
99
bedok MRT
4 - 5 stop bus away
proud owner
18-03-09, 15:53
99
bedok MRT
4 - 5 stop bus away
hhhmmm
unless theres a real need to be near there ...like schools or parents ... or work .. i really dont see why its a good deal ..99yr lease and 800 psf ?
the that road is not exactly smooth
:doh: don't worry, fch has a strong parent in f&n. not forgetting, temasek has got a stake in f&n.
Well, they can do it too obvious... Otherwise "jiang si tong" & "hammer king" will shot leh...
hhhmmm
unless theres a real need to be near there ...like schools or parents ... or work .. i really dont see why its a good deal ..99yr lease and 800 psf ?
the that road is not exactly smooth
hmnnn... those 800psf++ is for those lake view units, which is almost sold out... for other non-pool and non-lake facing, price ranges from $560-630psf... pool facing is more expensive...
Congratz. I just visited my friend unit at The Infiniti. Their workmanship quite nice. Hurrah! FCH...!!
I visited The Infiniti also, finishing is not bad, huge balcony, haha... but for those units facing AYE, noise level is very high, the expressway is just less than 10m away! However, with the windows shut, the noise can be reduced by a lot. I tested it myself :D
As for Waterfront Waves, those units facing the bedok park is actually quite a distance away from the PIE, atleast 80m away... and the noises from expressway is blocked and absorped by many "tall" trees... therefore, noise level is actually very low with the windows open... I went up to the HDB beside the plot and "hear" it myself... So, with the windows closed, we basically hear nothing. :D
For those with a low budget like me (~600psf), and want N-S unblock facing yet near to nature, i think unit facing the bedok park is the best buy. :2cents:
If I'm wrong, u said u bought a unit in stack 25. But stack 15, 16, 21, 22 & 25 are facing HDB which are juz 50m away.... don't you find it disturbing???
I visited The Infiniti also, finishing is not bad, huge balcony, haha... but for those units facing AYE, noise level is very high, the expressway is just less than 10m away! However, with the windows shut, the noise can be reduced by a lot. I tested it myself :D
As for Waterfront Waves, those units facing the bedok park is actually quite a distance away from the PIE, atleast 80m away... and the noises from expressway is blocked and absorped by many "tall" trees... therefore, noise level is actually very low with the windows open... I went up to the HDB beside the plot and "hear" it myself... So, with the windows closed, we basically hear nothing. :D
For those with a low budget like me (~600psf), and want N-S unblock facing yet near to nature, i think unit facing the bedok park is the best buy. :2cents:
If I'm wrong, u said u bought a unit in stack 25. But stack 15, 16, 21, 22 & 25 are facing HDB which are juz 50m away.... don't you find it disturbing???
only stakes 15, 21, 22 are facing the HDB, all 2-brm units... stack 25 facing the tennis court and bedok park, and stake 16 facing the empty land with partial lake view. ;)
francistaong
18-03-09, 23:46
Do feel free to call me @91163014 if you need to clarify the facing of the units or to understand more on the project. Thanks !!!
East Lover
19-03-09, 09:59
only stakes 15, 21, 22 are facing the HDB, all 2-brm units... stack 25 facing the tennis court and bedok park, and stake 16 facing the empty land with partial lake view. ;)
I guess you are referring stake 26 instead of 16? :confused:
http://www.singaporeexpats.com/singapore-property-pictures/siteplan/waterfront-waves/siteplan.jpg
WF Constructor
19-03-09, 10:00
Do feel free to call me @91163014 if you need to clarify the facing of the units or to understand more on the project. Thanks !!!
Due to good response, StarBuy promotion ending this weekend. See you again on TOP. Cheers!
WW
:)
Hi all,
Does anyone knows the rough date for TOP? Cos my agent told me it will TOP around late 2011 and I heard from the agent from Far East that it will TOP in mid 2012. I do hope it will TOP asap.:D
Hi all,
Does anyone knows the rough date for TOP? Cos my agent told me it will TOP around late 2011 and I heard from the agent from Far East that it will TOP in mid 2012. I do hope it will TOP asap.:D
:doh: i bought my unit last may n my agent told me that piling will be completed by dec 2008 n my first instalment will start. he said likely top late 2011. but till now, no news of instalment yet n looking at the construction progress, i think likely top mid 2012.
Piling work have started, thats why they shifted to new showroom. TOP should be mid 2012. Latest by dec 2012 according to the legal docs I have signed.
And if the unis built is smaller by 3% or more of the indicated size you have purchase, developers will compensate you based on psf you paid.
WF Constructor
19-03-09, 17:14
For those who bought a unit at Waterfront Waves, do you guys actually walk around (outside) the site before/after your huge commitment of more than $800k?!? :scared-5:
There is a big board outside the construction site, with details like project reference, developer, builder, etc.
The Expected Date of Completion written on that board is:
27 SEPTEMBER 2011
I guess you are referring stake 26 instead of 16? :confused:
Pls. check with agent or visit the new showroom for detailed facing. ;)
For those who bought a unit at Waterfront Waves, do you guys actually walk around (outside) the site before/after your huge commitment of more than $800k?!? :scared-5:
There is a big board outside the construction site, with details like project reference, developer, builder, etc.
The Expected Date of Completion written on that board is:
27 SEPTEMBER 2011
So if its stated in the board, does it mean that its likely to be that date or a rough estimate?
francistaong
19-03-09, 21:01
Please note that the notice board will be the expected completion of the construction, however there will still be the interiors and landscaping to be done. As such official TOP will still be Nov 2012 but as per norm can estimate to be about 6 months ahead.
Hope above can help to clear any doubts.
Please call me @91163014 if you need further answers
Regards
francis
HSR
Please note that the notice board will be the expected completion of the construction, however there will still be the interiors and landscaping to be done. As such official TOP will still be Nov 2012 but as per norm can estimate to be about 6 months ahead.
Hope above can help to clear any doubts.
Please call me @91163014 if you need further answers
Regards
francis
HSR
Wow, such a small project needs 3 years to built, Zzzz :sleep:
Yeah... Three years is pretty long. I heard that Casa Merah took only two years.
francistaong
19-03-09, 21:33
Do note that for Waterfront Waves, we are looking at basement carpark, not multi storey. Do feel free to drop by the showflat over the weekend and look for me to explain the project to you better. Thanks :cool:
Regards
francis
Yeah... Three years is pretty long. I heard that Casa Merah took only two years.
For those projects that are going to TOP by 2H09, with basement car park, they were launched in 1H07... So, it's about 2 years+
In the time like this, with low construction cost, I think the developer wants to complete their project a.s.a.p in order to collect the full payment.
Credit tightening is another problem for highly geared developer...
Do note that for Waterfront Waves, we are looking at basement carpark, not multi storey. Do feel free to drop by the showflat over the weekend and look for me to explain the project to you better. Thanks :cool:
Regards
francis
Heard that Starbuy promotion ends this weekend? Selected unit all sold out? :eek:
francistaong
19-03-09, 22:50
As far as i know, still on with balance available units. :beats-me-man:
hihi, visited the showflat 2 days ago. Am very keen to get stack 26, south facing Bedok Town Park. :)
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