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I didn't mention how good west is, why don't u just go track back all history since u so free? :D
I only go against those who talk nonsense and try to input some of my opinion and some facts....:)
U check la...:)
East like Tampines seems quite built up already, so time for West to catch up? but unfortunately all those plans will need to wait till 2030 to materialize. Don't know why poeple will resort to lies about how good the West is when what the West have now is lots of toxic gases! Best thing for West is to move all those refineries, incinerators, power generation plants out and then got hope... :scared-2:
I forgot to correct you idiot on this!!
Who say all chimney are high up? There are ground Chimney. do you know this?:scared-2:
hahahaha...
Hahaha...joker....I tell u go study more u don't want, down here keep thinking that u are expert, a lot of ppl laughing u know? U don't even believe our NEA and u ask ppl to believe the UK research report? What a clown...I don't think u know why chimney are high up don't you? Do u know where else on our small little island got such chimney....tell u what, I know u very free and like to act expert. Go see where is this location I talk about and see if u can find another research report that tells u more cancer patients coming from that location...:D
That location even more scary...:scared-5:
By the way, I think it is beneficial for all of us that you call NEA and then tell them where u think they should place the sensors. Basket, take so much tax payers money and none of them is better than this BEAR here....:rolleyes:
So u really did go google more?? Hahaha... I say u very free rite...Don't call ppl that, you are just being one u know? Hahaha
:D
I forgot to correct you idiot on this!!
Who say all chimney are high up? There are ground Chimney. do you know this?:scared-2:
hahahaha...
Idiot, I think you really need to goggle more and then read more! This can make u more less idiot! Though not sure if it is really helping you or not!
Make a habit to read more! don't expect you to be an intellect but at least don't make yourself looks like an idiot. Spent at least 8-10 hours per day to read!!
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So u really did go google more?? Hahaha... I say u very free rite...Don't call ppl that, you are just being one u know? Hahaha
:D
The more u behave like this, the more u become one...I don't like to call ppl that even if they are. Not going into this with u....go on...:)
Idiot, I think you really need to goggle more and then read more! This can make u more less idiot! Though not sure if it is really helping you or not!
Make a habit to read more! don't expect you to be an intellect but at least don't make yourself looks like an idiot. Spent at least 8-10 hours per day to read!!
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What a wonderful site this will be.
http://jurong.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/new-a0-boards-8498126_resize.jpg
I see skies of blue..... clouds of white
Bright blessed days....dark sacred nights
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world.
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/52_1836.jpg
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/53_1837.jpg
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/31_2330-2.jpg
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http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/10_2206.jpg
Did you guys notice how the smoke from the gas flare rises into the sky before being blown eastward towards east.
Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
...........
A little high, little low
Anyway the wind blows, doesn't really matter to me, to me
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/52_1836.jpg
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/53_1837.jpg
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/31_2330-2.jpg
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/51_1745.jpg
http://www.stomp.com.sg/gallery/smoke/slides/10_2206.jpg
The direction of the plume is governed by the prevailing wind in N-E and S-W, and proximity to the source is very critical. Not sure if NEA is looking at this. There is a cause for concern for acid rain. I was visting a factory near pioneer area once and wondered why the cars in the open carpark were wrapped in plastic sheet. Employers told me about the acidic nature of the waste exhaust from the nearby factories can etch their cars' paintwork. :ashamed1:
Did you guys notice how the smoke from the gas flare rises into the sky before being blown eastward towards east.
The direction of the plume is governed by the prevailing wind in N-E and S-W, and proximity to the source is very critical. Not sure if NEA is looking at this. There is a cause for concern for acid rain. I was visting a factory near pioneer area once and wondered why the cars in the open carpark were wrapped in plastic sheet. Employers told me about the acidic nature of the waste exhaust from the nearby factories can etch their cars' paintwork. :ashamed1:
Its either the employer is bullshitting or you are. The reason why the cover it is because of the nearby shipyard because of acid rain.
The north east monsoon should blow the fumes from chemical plant towards central and east of Singapore.
Btw, NE and SW monsoon only happens during 6 months of the year, the rest are variable wind direction. So lets not carried away that wind only blows in 2 directions.
The direction of the plume is governed by the prevailing wind in N-E and S-W, and proximity to the source is very critical. Not sure if NEA is looking at this. There is a cause for concern for acid rain. I was visting a factory near pioneer area once and wondered why the cars in the open carpark were wrapped in plastic sheet. Employers told me about the acidic nature of the waste exhaust from the nearby factories can etch their cars' paintwork. :ashamed1:
the mystery is finally revealed.
I have long been wondering why jurong people have fairer and smoother skin.
their skin have very light acid peel everyday.
I never make the connection between acid rain and jurong people being fairer and smoother before.
No matter which direction the wind blow, the first few km vicinity around the refinery will be the hardest hit first.
Did you guys notice how the smoke from the gas flare rises into the sky before being blown eastward towards east.
Interesting conclusion! Is there any research that supported such conclusion?
the mystery is finally revealed.
I have long been wondering why jurong people have fairer and smoother skin.
their skin have very light acid peel everyday.
I never make the connection between acid rain and jurong people being fairer and smoother before.
The north east monsoon should blow the fumes from chemical plant towards central and east of Singapore.
Huh? Do you even know where the northeast monsoon is coming from?
Another mystery is solved. Now we know why he feels so safe and secure in JLD.
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Interesting conclusion! Is there any research that supported such conclusion?
if you are a photographer, probably u have a camera.
if you check the f-stop, people alighting from east require 0.5 f-stop bigger than the west.
as ex-MP Choo Wee Kiang have commented, little india is in complete darkness. so you need a flash, tripod long exposure to take pictures there.
No matter which direction the wind blow, the first few km vicinity around the refinery will be the hardest hit first.
Perhaps so, then I guess the fumes from the airplanes and shipping vessel will hit people living in the east the hardest. And those along the NE coast will be hit by the fumes coming from across the straits.
Perhaps so, then I guess the fumes from the airplanes and shipping vessel will hit people living in the east the hardest. And those along the NE coast will be hit by the fumes coming from across the straits.
Can you please let readers know which direction the NE monsoon is blowing from? Your statement below quite contradictory.
The north east monsoon should blow the fumes from chemical plant towards central and east of Singapore.
After taking so much about pollution fumes etc. anyone want to migrate to NZ to live with cows?
After taking so much about pollution fumes etc. anyone want to migrate to NZ to live with cows?
dun nid to be so troublesome. there is enuff stubborn cows in spore to live wif :47:
must have read it wrongly. If its no NE, then SW. Anyway, up north, there are also refinery in Malaysia, so NE or SW, those fumes from refinery will still reach the east side of Singapore.
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/1720/b1ed.jpg
Perhaps so, then I guess the fumes from the airplanes and shipping vessel will hit people living in the east the hardest.
Can you please clarify on your statement above on the fumes from the shipping vessel? Where will all the ports be located and container vessels be loading/unloading in the future?
And now that you seem to grasp elementary wind direction. Where will the South west monsoon be bringing the fumes from the shipping vessels berthed at port or around Tuas?
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/containerports-future_zps90be1c64.jpg
Source : MPA report
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Based on the statistics below, imagine how many vessels, container trucks and vehicles will be converging on Tuas in 10 yrs time?
Statistics :
At any one time, there are about 1,000 vessels in the Singapore port.
Every 2-3 minutes, a ship arrives or leaves Singapore.
Although Singapore does not produce any oil, it is the top bunkering (ship refuelling) ports in the world. In 2012, more than 42 million tonnes of bunkers were lifted in Singapore. This is enough to fill over 17,000 Olympic-sized pools.Quote from our Minister : Mr Lui said: “Tuas provides a suitable location because of its sheltered deep waters and proximity to both our major industrial areas and international shipping routes. We will plan for Tuas Port to be able to handle up to 65 million twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs) per annum.”
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/containerports-future_zps90be1c64.jpg
whats the greenery for? at the southern tip.
Is PSA building a multi storey shippark so that over 1000 container vessel can all park in Tuas? If not, where are they going to park while waiting to berth? East coast shore line loh.
The purpose of consolidating all ports in one location is to eliminate the need for container trailers, not consolidating them at Tuas.
whats the greenery for? at the southern tip.
Singapore Navy or coast guard
whats the greenery for? at the southern tip.
Special use
The consolidation of port to Tuas is going to be MASSIVE and this will instantly generate huge interest in both HDB and private property in the western region. No wonder government is building the Cross Island Line to facilitate the growth in the western region.
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/containerports-future_zps90be1c64.jpg
Is PSA building a multi storey shippark so that over 1000 container vessel can all park in Tuas? If not, where are they going to park while waiting to berth? East coast shore line loh.
The purpose of consolidating all ports in one location is to eliminate the need for container trailers, not consolidating them at Tuas.
You haven't really been following have you? Most vessels don't have to wait even when they are out of schedule. Those few that have to will probably wait south of Tuas where the waters are deep. You really think they are going to wait all the way at the East coast and wait for their number to be called?
What about all the container trucks loading and unloading containers. Are they going to wait around East Coast too?
from PSA website
http://www.singaporepsa.com/citos.php
excerpt
"On a typical day, 60 vessels of different sizes call at our port. Although a high number of them arrive out of schedule, our berth planning system allows most of them to be berthed on arrival.
Planning begins 72 hours before the ship arrives, when the shipping line applies for a berth and sends ship stowage and connection instructions to PSA through PORTNET®."
Every 2-3 minutes, a ship arrives or leaves Singapore
Quote from our Minister : Mr Lui said: “Tuas provides a suitable location because of its sheltered deep waters and proximity to both our major industrial areas and international shipping routes. We will plan for Tuas Port to be able to handle up to 65 million twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs) per annum.”
The consolidation of port to Tuas is going to be MASSIVE and this will instantly generate huge interest in both HDB and private property in the western region. No wonder government is building the Cross Island Line to facilitate the growth in the western region.
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/containerports-future_zps90be1c64.jpg
Why Cross island line? Because the roads there will be congested with container trucks and heavy vehicles which also contribute to pollution btw.
You haven't really been following have you? Most vessels don't have to wait even when they are out of schedule. Those few that have to will probably wait south of Tuas where the waters are deep. You really think they are going to wait all the way at the East coast and wait for their number to be called?
What about all the container trucks loading and unloading containers. Are they going to wait around East Coast too?
from PSA website
http://www.singaporepsa.com/citos.php
excerpt
"On a typical day, 60 vessels of different sizes call at our port. Although a high number of them arrive out of schedule, our berth planning system allows most of them to be berthed on arrival.
Planning begins 72 hours before the ship arrives, when the shipping line applies for a berth and sends ship stowage and connection instructions to PSA through PORTNET®."
Every 2-3 minutes, a ship arrives or leaves Singapore
Quote from our Minister : Mr Lui said: “Tuas provides a suitable location because of its sheltered deep waters and proximity to both our major industrial areas and international shipping routes. We will plan for Tuas Port to be able to handle up to 65 million twenty-foot equivalent units (TEUs) per annum.”
Wait or not wait, shipping vessels will still have to pass through east coast shore line, which is only a few km away from East Coast Park. When they berth at port in Tuas, vessel will only be running auxiliary engine and maybe in future, they might only use port supply electricity only.
So if you are concern about pollution from shipping vessel, then you should be worried about the air quality (sea breeze) along the east, where you are living.
What have you been following exactly? Troll Express Daily?
Why Cross island line? Because the roads there will be congested with container trucks and heavy vehicles which also contribute to pollution btw.
The distant from Tuas port to JLD, it about the same as JLD to City Center..
When you say congested, which part of Singapore are you referring to?
As far as congestion is concern, I think the morning traffic from East to Rochor exit is perhaps the worst in Singapore. Thats the reason why they need to pay so much for ERP.
Wait or not wait, shipping vessels will still have to pass through east coast shore line, which is only a few km away from East Coast Park. When they berth at port in Tuas, vessel will only be running auxiliary engine and maybe in future, they might only use port supply electricity only.
So if you are concern about pollution from shipping vessel, then you should be worried about the air quality (sea breeze) along the east, where you are living.
What have you been following exactly? Troll Express Daily?
Tell me which is worse, a car that drives past you momentarily or one that is idling near your house for a few hours?
It takes at least a couple of hours to unload a container vessel.
What about container trucks. Where will they be waiting for loading and unloading their containers in the future?
And don't tell me that they all have to drive along ECP too?
Aren't you the Chief Editor of the Troll Express?
Tell me which is worse, a car that drives past you momentarily or one that is idling near your house for a few hours?
It takes at least a couple of hours to unload a container vessel.
You haven't answer my question on container trucks. Where will they be waiting for loading and unloading their containers in the future?
And don't tell me that they all have to drive along ECP too?
Aren't you the Chief Editor of the Troll Express?
Switching to troll mode.
So are you saying that air in the east is pure and free of pollution from airplanes, shipping vessel and chemical industry from Malaysia?
So are you saying that there are no congestion in the east and that car trucks and buses running in the east is cleaner than west?
So are you saying that the fumes from Jurong Island or Bukom does not have any impact of the air quality in the east?
Can you prove what you said?
Switching to troll mode.
You finally could bring yourself to look in the mirror?
So are you saying that air in the east is pure and free of pollution from airplanes, shipping vessel and chemical industry from Malaysia?
So are you saying that there are no congestion in the east and that car trucks and buses running in the east is cleaner than west?
So are you saying that the fumes from Jurong Island or Bukom does not have any impact of the air quality in the east?
Can you prove what you said?
I don't have to prove any of what you posted above because I didn't say it. You are saying it and trying to imply it on me.
What I did post are :
1. Pictures of flaring and the smoke haze around Jurong Island
2. Proof that all the ports will be consolidated in Tuas and miscellaneous port statistics
3. Pictures of the location of the Tuas Incinerators, toxic waste disposal companies, crematorium and prevailing wind direction.
4. Some articles and feedback on pollution.
The direction of the plume is governed by the prevailing wind in N-E and S-W, and proximity to the source is very critical. Not sure if NEA is looking at this. There is a cause for concern for acid rain. I was visting a factory near pioneer area once and wondered why the cars in the open carpark were wrapped in plastic sheet. Employers told me about the acidic nature of the waste exhaust from the nearby factories can etch their cars' paintwork. :ashamed1:
I have been working in Tuas area for more than 10 years till now has not cover my car with plastic sheet before. But in my dad working shipyard, yes you have to when there is a paint spray for ship in process but not due to acid rain :rolleyes:.
You finally could bring yourself to look in the mirror?
I don't have to prove any of what you posted above because I didn't say it. You are saying it and trying to imply it on me.
What I did post are :
1. Pictures of flaring and the smoke haze around Jurong Island
2. Proof that all the ports will be consolidated in Tuas and miscellaneous port statistics
3. Pictures of the location of the Tuas Incinerators, toxic waste disposal companies, crematorium and prevailing wind direction.
4. Some articles and feedback on pollution.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of port in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
This was what I was told at that factory. Just merely sharing here. They told me that things corrode quite fast around that area.
I have been working in Tuas area for more than 10 years till now has not cover my car with plastic sheet before. But in my dad working shipyard, yes you have to when there is a paint spray for ship in process but not due to acid rain :rolleyes:.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of port in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
Since you are an expert in air pollution can you explain to us those highlighted in bold.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
This was what I was told at that factory. Just merely sharing here. They told me that things corrode quite fast around that area.
its due to the sea water, the same effect on all property along coast line.
Since you are an expert in air pollution can you explain to us those highlighted in bold.
Did I claim to be an expert in air pollution?
For qn 1, ask any layman and they will say it would depend on the strength and direction of the wind.
For qn 3, you are claiming that I said my picture is nicer than yours? and you want ME to prove it? I didn't realise you were still in kindergarten.
I have extended you the courtesy of answering your question now please answer mine.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of port in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
Did I claim to be an expert in air pollution?
For qn 1, ask any layman and they will say it would depend on the strength and direction of the wind.
For qn 3, you are claiming that I said my picture is nicer than yours? and you want ME to prove it? I didn't realise you were still in kindergarten.
I have extended you the courtesy of answering your question now please answer mine.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of port in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
You really got me on this one. i have always thought that you are an expert in air pollution just like Teddybear. So I guess I have been wasting my time reading what you posted.
You really got me on this one. i have always thought that you are an expert in air pollution just like Teddybear. So I guess I have been wasting my time reading what you posted.
Is that all you can muster to avoid answering my question on the port consolidation in Tuas?
Not surprising from someone who only just grasped elementary wind direction.
Looks like your tenure as Chief Editor of the Troll Express is going to be shortlived.
Is that all you can muster to avoid answering my question on the port consolidation in Tuas?
Not surprising from someone who only just grasped elementary wind direction.
Looks like your tenure as Chief Editor of the Troll Express is going to be shortlived.
So are you saying that you are not an expert in air pollution but you insist that air pollution in the west is worst than east.
So can you tell us how are you going to convince us that you are smarter than you are?
Need some convincing first so that we can be sure we are not wasting our time.
Thanks for the picture on Tuas port, it definitely help validate the growth potential of the west region.
So are you saying that you are not an expert in air pollution but you insist that air pollution in the west is worst than east.
So can you tell us how are you going to convince us that you are smarter than you are?
Need some convincing first so that we can be sure we are not wasting out time.
Thanks for the picture on Tuas port, it definitely help validate the growth potential of the west region.
Up to your old tricks of "Are you saying....", trying to pin statements on other people and general question avoidance.
Didn't your kindergarten teachers instruct you on manners?
I have answered your questions, please have the courtesy of answering mine.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) below?
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
Up to your old tricks of "Are you saying....", trying to pin statements on other people and general question avoidance.
Didn't your kindergarten teachers instruct you on manners?
I have answered your questions, please have the courtesy of answering mine.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) below?
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
Since you are saying you are not an expert in air pollution, so does that mean that what you posted are based on your personal opinion instead of facts?
And if so, then why should anyone bother about what you write?
So are you an expert or not?
And if so, then why should anyone bother about what you write?
So are you an expert or not?
if u r an idiot, ppl will hv an obligation to explain to u.
if u r not an idiot, there is no need for further explanation.
so r u an idiot onot? :47:
Thanks for the picture on Tuas port, it definitely help validate the growth potential of the west region.
It also validates the hypergrowth of foreign workers population, kudos to our gov who is providing them with jurong lake garden for picnic on sundays, or shopping in JLD! They need R&R too, glad to see more is done for their benefit since they contribute much to our heavy industries
if u r an idiot, ppl will hv an obligation to explain to u.
if u r not an idiot, there is no need for further explanation.
so r u an idiot onot? :47:
Sorry, I dont entertain people using fake account for trolling.
Sorry, I dont entertain people using fake account for trolling.
show evidence to support your assertion.
if u are unable or failed to do so, you are admitting to the fact that you are either:
1. a troll who uses multiple accounts to support yourself;
2. a coward who has no guts to substantiate your own statements,
or both.
Since you are saying you are not an expert in air pollution, so does that mean that what you posted are based on your personal opinion instead of facts?
And if so, then why should anyone bother about what you write?
So are you an expert or not?
Oh dear, trying to draw me into one of your circular off topic discussions again. People are not interested in me or whether I am an expert but the topic "Owners in the West Beware !"
Do you think I will forget that you owe an answer to the question I posed below?
Please be a nice boy and answer the question. It is really reflecting so badly on you.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
hsifreffup
14-10-13, 14:08
show evidence to support your assertion.
if u are unable or failed to do so, you are admitting to the fact that you are either:
1. a troll who uses multiple accounts to support yourself;
2. a coward who has no guts to substantiate your own statements,
or both.
Hi Mermaid, welcome to the "fake account accusation when the going gets tough for Ringo33" club!
It also validates the hypergrowth of foreign workers population, kudos to our gov who is providing them with jurong lake garden for picnic on sundays, or shopping in JLD! They need R&R too, glad to see more is done for their benefit since they contribute much to our heavy industries
actually you are wrong, foreign workers in Jurong are mostly male, so during weekend, they will most likely got to sentosa or orchard to pick up domestic helpers or Geylang in the east to have a good time.
Next time if your domestic helper come back with the smell of chocolate, that mean you know who she have been going out with. :D
Btw, do you happen to know how many foreign workers PSA is employing at the moment?
Oh dear, trying to draw me into one of your circular off topic discussions again. People are not interested in me or whether I am an expert but the topic "Owners in the West Beware !"
Do you think I will forget that you owe an answer to the question I posed below?
Please be a nice boy and answer the question. It is really reflecting so badly on you.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
Aiyo, bold only? mine is bold and enlarged some more, so mine is more powerful than yours. LOL
Originally Posted by Ringo33 View Post
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) are you saying airplane and shipping vessel doesnt release harmful gas into the atmosphere?
actually you are wrong, foreign workers in Jurong are mostly male, so during weekend, they will most likely got to sentosa or orchard to pick up domestic helpers or Geylang in the east to have a good time.
Next time if your domestic helper come back with the smell of chocolate, that mean you know who she have been going out with. :D
Btw, do you happen to know how many foreign workers PSA is employing at the moment?
Wah...How far back did you have to search to find an older topic to reply to in order to conceal all your slip-ups so far.
For readers who just joined us, this is another tactic in the R33 handbook 'When the going gets tough..." (hsifreffup, hope you don't mind that I borrowed it)
Wah...How far back did you have to search to find an older topic to reply to in order to conceal all your slip-ups so far.
For readers who just joined us, this is another tactic in the R33 handbook 'When the going gets tough..." (hsifreffup, hope you don't mind that I borrowed it)
Dont side track leh. So are you an expert in air pollution or not? OR are you just coming out of your lonely landed property forum to troll?
btw, are you living in the east? So are you jealous of what is happening around the west?
Aiyo, bold only? mine is bold and enlarged some more, so mine is more powerful than yours. LOL
Guys, I think we pushed him too hard. He finally snapped and lost it.
Guys, I think we pushed him too hard. He finally snapped and lost it.
guys, this troll has run out of idea liao. now no choice has to switch to troll chatting mode.
Dont side track leh. So are you an expert in air pollution or not? OR are you just coming out of your lonely landed property forum to troll?
btw, are you living in the east? So are you jealous of what is happening around the west?
Side track? I believe it was your turn to answer my question right?
No need to get personal. These tactics are right at the bottom of your R33 handbook of 'When the going gets tough..." Looks like you are running out of options.
Let's get back to topic:
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
:OldFart:
ringo, U kena lut jialat jialat, bo paiseh?
its time to change your signature.
we seems to backtrack to this point: jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is healthy.
i thought we have already progressed to jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is unhealthy also.
my thinking is all same same unhealthy because life & health insurance premiums sama sama across all regions.
if lack of data, i think insurance company or rather more importantly the re-insurers can pull their data from other countries that oil refineries.
those people living next to refineries in Houston for example, do they have higher premium for those living far away.
for same job scope,
eg. is a mechanic working in a tuas car workshop faces higher life & health premium than one working in lets say Sin Ming?
if the same, the question is why the same?
if tuas higher, then no need to probe further isnt it.
Dont u all feel we are like broken tape players? :)
blackjack21trader
14-10-13, 16:49
we seems to backtrack to this point: jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is healthy.
i thought we have already progressed to jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is unhealthy also.
my thinking is all same same unhealthy because life & health insurance premiums sama sama across all regions.
if lack of data, i think insurance company or rather more importantly the re-insurers can pull their data from other countries that oil refineries.
those people living next to refineries in Houston for example, do they have higher premium for those living far away.
for same job scope,
eg. is a mechanic working in a tuas car workshop faces higher life & health premium than one working in lets say Sin Ming?
if the same, the question is why the same?
if tuas higher, then no need to probe further isnt it.
Dont u all feel we are like broken tape players? :)
I agree. It is just a mental think to think that Jurong air will be different from the rest of the Island. Singapore, after all, is too small.
The benefit I can see for Ringo's investment is the current stereotyping of Jurong, he could be an advantage when The Jurong Lake development is into high gear and when the Pasir Panjang terminal moves .
But that could take like 20 years ?
we seems to backtrack to this point: jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is healthy.
i thought we have already progressed to jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is unhealthy also.
my thinking is all same same unhealthy because life & health insurance premiums sama sama across all regions.
if lack of data, i think insurance company or rather more importantly the re-insurers can pull their data from other countries that oil refineries.
those people living next to refineries in Houston for example, do they have higher premium for those living far away.
for same job scope,
eg. is a mechanic working in a tuas car workshop faces higher life & health premium than one working in lets say Sin Ming?
if the same, the question is why the same?
if tuas higher, then no need to probe further isnt it.
Dont u all feel we are like broken tape players? :)
Let's do a Ringo here....
So are you saying that you are willing to live within close proximity of an oil refinery just because the life insurance premiums are the same regardless of how near or far you live from an oil refinery? If the insurance company is not worried then why should you be?
Just a simple yes or no will do.
Let's do a Ringo here....
So are you saying that you are willing to live within close proximity of an oil refinery just because the life insurance premiums are the same regardless of how near or far you live from an oil refinery?
Just a simple yes or no will do.
yes.
that why i live in the town versus live in an organic farm.
if JLD have the conveniences all nearby, i would live in JLD.
of course i understand the examples given are extreme, town with full facilities, but full of pollutants vs organic farm, 0 facilities 0 pollutants, this is only for illustration purpose only.
perhaps your next question is: if life premium is different, then would i still stay next to refinery?
yes.
that why i live in the town versus live in an organic farm.
if JLD have the conveniences all nearby, i would live in JLD.
of course i understand the examples given are extreme, town with full facilities, but full of pollutants vs organic farm, 0 facilities 0 pollutants, this is only for illustration purpose only.
Well according to your dear friend, JLD is going to be to chock-a-block with conveniences. I am sure you will relish moving out of town to live in JLD and I sincerely wish you the best of health.
Well according to your dear friend, JLD is going to be to chock-a-block with conveniences. I am sure you will relish moving out of town to live in JLD and I sincerely wish you the best of health.
thank you. my place already full of conveniences. why would i move to JLD just to prove a point?
still waiting for you to ask me: if life premium higher in Jurong as compared to lets say Pulau Ubin, would i still stay in JLD?
thank you. my place already full of conveniences. why would i move to JLD just to prove a point?
still waiting for you to ask me: if life premium higher in Jurong as compared to lets say Pulau Ubin, would i still stay in JLD?
errr. didn't you just say the following
yes. that why i live in the town versus live in an organic farm. if JLD have the conveniences all nearby, i would live in JLD.
meaning that if not for the fact that JLD didn't have all the conveniences nearby NOW, you would live in JLD instead? Your statement seems to imply that you think that town is a less conducive environment to live in than JLD?
So when JLD is ready, shall we all give you a hand in shifting?
errr. didn't you just say the following
meaning that if not for the fact that JLD didn't have all the conveniences nearby NOW, you would live in JLD instead? Your statement seems to imply that you think that town is a less conducive environment to live in than JLD?
So when JLD is ready, shall we all give you a hand in shifting?
let me make it more clear.
insurance premium the same.
I would choose JLD over pulau ubin.
quick, ask me if insurance premium for JLD is higher than pulau ubin?
let me make it more clear.
insurance premium the same.
I would choose JLD over pulau ubin.
quick, ask me if insurance premium for JLD is higher than pulau ubin?
Ok, so NOW are you are saying that it is not what you meant and that you will STILL stay in town because it is not worth it to move to JLD to prove a point.
yes. that why i live in the town versus live in an organic farm. if JLD have the conveniences all nearby, i would live in JLD.
http://forums.condosingapore.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?p=438070#post438070) thank you. my place already full of conveniences. why would i move to JLD just to prove a point?
Why are you trying to slip Pulau Ubin into the conversation? You never even mentioned it when you you first answered your question so how did it suddenly become one of the alternatives ?
Hmm, you are starting to exhibit the behavioural patterns of someone here.
Ok, so NOW are you are saying that it is not what you meant and that you will still stay in town because it is not worth it to move to JLD to prove a point.
Why are you trying to slip Pulau Ubin into the conversation? You never even mentioned it when you you first answered your question so how did it suddenly become one of the alternatives ?
Hmm, you are starting to exhibit the behavioural patterns of someone here.
Nice attempt to twist my words but a big fail.
Nice attempt to twist my words but a big fail.
So, the bottom line is that you will still want to stay in town notwithstanding that JLD will have all the glowing facilities and great infrastructure that your friend has painted.
We don't need to know your reasons. Its pretty clear.
Nuff said.
So, the bottom line is that you will still want to stay in town notwithstanding that JLD will have all the glowing facilities and great infrastructure that your friend has painted.
We don't need to know your reasons. Its pretty clear.
Nuff said.
ok. nuff said, you have the last word ;).
ok. nuff said, you have the last word ;).
No, thank you for this pleasant discussion. Have a good holiday ahead!
I agree. It is just a mental think to think that Jurong air will be different from the rest of the Island. Singapore, after all, is too small.
The benefit I can see for Ringo's investment is the current stereotyping of Jurong, he could be an advantage when The Jurong Lake development is into high gear and when the Pasir Panjang terminal moves .
But that could take like 20 years ?
There is no need to wait for 20 years, from now on, almost every year, you are going to see new development coming up around JLD.
Dec 2013 - Westgate mall open, the first Isetan supermarket to outside Orchard,
2014
* MND, BCA, AVA will start to move into JLD
* Wesgate office tower TOP
* Big Box TOP
* Jurong Region Line alignment announcement.
2015
Genting Hotel TOP
Jurong Community Hospital, Ng Teng Fong Hospital TOP
2016
J Gateway TOP
Sim Lian high rise office tower will TOP
And in the coming years, many new sites around JLD will also be launch for tender, this including high rise, medium rise office tower, theme park around Lakeside district, and the construction of new science center, and Lakeside Village and perhaps even the High Speed Rail station coming to Jurong.
In the longer term, we shall see Cross Region Line and shipping and port related industry moving from Keppel, Tanjong Pagar to the west.
With so many jobs created in the west and limited residential land supply around JLD, you tell me how not to huat?
I am sure if the above list of projects are going to build in the east, many people here will be screaming till ice creams flow out from their nose. :)
Like I said, BEWARE.
Oh...someone is back..
Like he said, no need to wait 20 years. Within 10 years, the first few container berths will be opened.
Let's continue with topic. I believe you were about to answer my question below.
Can you explain in further detail the parts in bold of your statements in (2) and (4) above?
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
Guess what I found? Someone kindly posted this article on shipping pollution.
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)
Sorry I have already switch out of trolling mode so no time to entertain you. When I am back, I will let you know.
Facts about Singapore
The main island is about 42km in length and 23km in breadth and 586.5 square km in area.
http://library.thinkquest.org/10414/countfact.html
:D:D:D:D
So when indo farts, what happens to Singapore???? Is it just a portion of Sngapore get the fart????
:cheers1::cheers1::cheers1:
Is bukit batok safe to live or not?
Is clementi safe to live or not?
So near to jurong.
Sorry I have already switch out of trolling mode so no time to entertain you. When I am back, I will let you know.
Yes, it must be quite taxing on you since it seems you can only think properly when in trolling mode. Trying to understand elementary wind direction must have really drained you. I suggest you take it easy and maybe not post for a month or so at least.
The north east monsoon should blow the fumes from chemical plant towards central and east of Singapore.
Facts about Singapore
The main island is about 42km in length and 23km in breadth and 586.5 square km in area.
http://library.thinkquest.org/10414/countfact.html
:D:D:D:D
So when indo farts, what happens to Singapore???? Is it just a portion of Sngapore get the fart????
:cheers1::cheers1::cheers1:
According to NEA during monsoon period, wind speed can rise to around 70km/h and it will only take less than 30 mins for the fart in jurong to reach the east. :)
Facts about Singapore
The main island is about 42km in length and 23km in breadth and 586.5 square km in area.
http://library.thinkquest.org/10414/countfact.html
:D:D:D:D
So when indo farts, what happens to Singapore???? Is it just a portion of Sngapore get the fart????
:cheers1::cheers1::cheers1:
Singapore is small yet big.
Far from the shore, u can see that some parts of singapore kena rain but some parts didnt.
Maybe the pollution cloud from jurong/tuas like that.
Accordimg to meterologists, the toxic cloud rise up from JI, falls down at JLD before moving back to JI because the high heat and flaring create a permanent low prrssure area. Therefore bukit batok & clementi quite safe from the toxic clous.
Code of practice for pollution
http://app2.nea.gov.sg/docs/default-source/public-health/code-of-practice-on-pollution-control.pdf?sfvrsn=2
http://app2.nea.gov.sg/anti-pollution-radiation-protection
http://app2.nea.gov.sg/corporate-functions/newsroom/parliament/budget-debate1/budget-debate-2012/better-air-quality
According to NEA during monsoon period, wind speed can rise to around 70km/h and it will only take less than 30 mins for the fart in jurong to reach the east. :)
Wow, so emissions from Jurong Island, the Tuas incinerators and vessels at the new container port can reach JLD in a few minutes!!
Thank for the info! Very informative.
But seriously, you shouldn't be over-straining yourself. Please rest and take a break.
I forgot to correct you idiot on this!!
Who say all chimney are high up? There are ground Chimney. do you know this?:scared-2:
hahahaha...
What are ground chimneys?
Can give links?
Or is it grounded chimneys? As in electrically earthed chimneys?
What are ground chimneys?
Can give links?
Or is it grounded chimneys? As in electrically earthed chimneys?
:doh::doh::doh:
Please read 4.2 (d).... U hurt my feelings
http://app2.nea.gov.sg/docs/default-source/public-health/code-of-practice-on-pollution-control.pdf?sfvrsn=2
Minimum 15m from ground....
yes at least 15m high! This is about 3-5 storey high!!!!! Normally, a factory would have a higher ceiling
It's called ground stack la and they are getting very common with the new plant nowadays!!! :scared-1:
go and read yourself at your leisure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_flare
:doh::doh::doh:
Please read 4.2 (d).... U hurt my feelings
http://app2.nea.gov.sg/docs/default-source/public-health/code-of-practice-on-pollution-control.pdf?sfvrsn=2
Minimum 15m from ground....
So why does red wine goes well with red meat???
http://firstwefeast.com/eat/science-you-can-use-why-red-wine-goes-well-with-red-meat/
Tannins
hsifreffup
14-10-13, 20:56
So when indo farts, what happens to Singapore???? Is it just a portion of Sngapore get the fart????
"Parts of Indonesia, being the source of the forest fires which caused the haze, have experienced the most impact from the smoke." - wikipedia
Proximity and ground zero. The haze is less dense the further away it is from the source.
Singapore may be small and may be fully engulfed by transboundary haze, but it is still a good idea to get as far from the source as possible.
Interesting! Singapore surface winds are predominately S or N!
For 4+4 full months, JLD will receive the full blow of toxic gases from Jurong Island in the South and Tuas in its South West!
For another 4 months, JLD will receive toxic gases from Crematorium in Mandai & Bishan!
JLD has the best of all world in Singapore! :doh:
must have read it wrongly. If its no NE, then SW. Anyway, up north, there are also refinery in Malaysia, so NE or SW, those fumes from refinery will still reach the east side of Singapore.
http://imageshack.us/a/img42/1720/b1ed.jpg
Dec 2013 - Westgate mall open, the first Isetan supermarket to outside Orchard,
2014
* MND, BCA, AVA will start to move into JLD
* Wesgate office tower TOP
* Big Box TOP
* Jurong Region Line alignment announcement.
2015
Genting Hotel TOP
Jurong Community Hospital, Ng Teng Fong Hospital TOP
2016
J Gateway TOP
Sim Lian high rise office tower will TOP
More foreign companies will take over the CCR office of MND - which is a good news for CCR rentals
Genting hotel is actually a 3.5 stars hotel targeted at budget conscious malaysian tourists who want to gamble here
Total new office space (jem, westgate, simlian) to be built is actually just an equivalent of one one-north metropolis building - we have not heard any MNC commiting to westgate at this moment
Retail build up in JLD is as good as tampines
Conclusion - JLD will be fully realised in 2030. Between now til 2021, the completion downtown line, thomson line will boast the eastern region and northern region. NSE highway will be another boast.
RCR fringe centre like paya lebar central, kallang riverside, novena medical, one north will be built up by 2021
Everyone will huat, JLD will wait for its turn for JRL in 2025
"Parts of Indonesia, being the source of the forest fires which caused the haze, have experienced the most impact from the smoke." - wikipedia
Proximity and ground zero. The haze is less dense the further away it is from the source.
Singapore may be small and may be fully engulfed by transboundary haze, but it is still a good idea to get as far from the source as possible.
I am ok lar... I let NEA do their job..... 😃
hsifreffup
14-10-13, 21:10
Is bukit batok safe to live or not?
Is clementi safe to live or not?
So near to jurong.
In terms of safety from air pollutants, I will avoid Jurong more than Clementi, Clementi more than Bukit Batok. Why? Because of more green found in Bukit Batok. Personal preference, of course.
As I mentioned, insurance companies will not do difficult jobs that will add to their costs unnecessarily.
It is difficult to charge people different premiums based on where they live, unless it is across countries. Just like how they price motor insurance, just based on age and whether >1 years experience. They don't care about over-claiming because difficult to catch. They just peg insurance premium to their overall profits.
Same as health insurance, people can use different address to buy insurance if they know certain locations they can buy cheaper insurance. So, easiest to them is to base on age and gender. Other than that, they just peg insurance premium based on their overall profits.
we seems to backtrack to this point: jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is healthy.
i thought we have already progressed to jurong is unhealthy and the rest of singapore is unhealthy also.
my thinking is all same same unhealthy because life & health insurance premiums sama sama across all regions.
if lack of data, i think insurance company or rather more importantly the re-insurers can pull their data from other countries that oil refineries.
those people living next to refineries in Houston for example, do they have higher premium for those living far away.
for same job scope,
eg. is a mechanic working in a tuas car workshop faces higher life & health premium than one working in lets say Sin Ming?
if the same, the question is why the same?
if tuas higher, then no need to probe further isnt it.
Dont u all feel we are like broken tape players? :)
More foreign companies will take over the CCR office of MND - which is a good news for CCR rentals
Genting hotel is actually a 3.5 stars hotel targeted at budget conscious malaysian tourists who want to gamble here
Total new office space (jem, westgate, simlian) to be built is actually just an equivalent of one one-north metropolis building - we have not heard any MNC commiting to westgate at this moment
Retail build up in JLD is as good as tampines
Conclusion - JLD will be fully realised in 2030. Between now til 2021, the completion downtown line, thomson line will boast the eastern region and northern region. NSE highway will be another boast.
RCR fringe centre like paya lebar central, kallang riverside, novena medical, one north will be built up by 2021
Everyone will huat, JLD will wait for its turn for JRL in 2025
Blueprint for Jurong unveiled
URA plans to transform Jurong Lake District into a unique lakeside destination for business and leisure
As part of the Draft Master Plan 2008 Review, the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) today announced the blueprint for Jurong Lake District. The vision for Jurong Lake District is to transform it into a unique lakeside destination for business and leisure in the next 10 to 15 years.
The blueprint for Jurong Lake District was unveiled by Mr Mah Bow Tan, Minister for National Development, at URA’s annual corporate plan seminar today attended by about 500 developers, architects, other industry players and URA staff at the Grand Copthorne Waterfront Hotel.
Jurong Lake District
Jurong Lake District consists of two complementary precincts, Jurong Gateway and Lakeside. These refer to the areas around the Jurong East MRT Station and Jurong Lake in the west region of Singapore.
The key proposals for the Jurong Lake District are as follows:
• The area around the Jurong East MRT Station (to be known as Jurong Gateway) will be developed into an attractive commercial hub serving the west region, outside the city centre
• A new and unique leisure destination will be created around Jurong Lake (to be known as Lakeside) with edutainment attractions for the whole family
• Jurong Lake will be brought closer to Jurong Gateway through the introduction of possible new waterways and pedestrian linkages
• The sense of greenery will be heightened with new landscaped open spaces and park connectors at the street-level and skyrise greenery in buildings
• An integrated network of pedestrian walkways between buildings and public facilities will be created
“Jurong Gateway and Lakeside are precious gems which offer exciting opportunities for the development of leisure attractions and the biggest commercial hub outside the city centre. To realise this vision, the planners have developed strategies that capitalise on the wonderful assets these areas have. These include building upon the strategic location of Jurong Gateway which is well served by road and rail, and in the midst of a large population and customer catchment. The lake and its greenery are also unique features which can be enhanced. We would like to bring about a transformed image for this area. The Jurong Lake District will become a much sought after lakeside destination for business and leisure.” said Mrs Cheong Koon Hean, URA’s Chief Executive Officer.
The total potential area for development is 360 hectares, close to the size of Marina Bay.
Please refer to Annex 1 for the site plan and artist impressions showing the key plans for Jurong Lake District.
Jurong Gateway: Biggest commercial hub outside the city
Located around the Jurong East MRT Station, the new plans for the 70 ha Jurong Gateway is to develop it into a vibrant commercial hub with a good mix of office, retail, residential, hotel, entertainment, food & beverage and other complementary uses. It will be the biggest commercial hub outside the city centre.
Jurong Gateway is one of the three regional centres identified under the Concept Plan 1991, as part of a decentralisation strategy to sustain Singapore’s growth. While Marina Bay and the city remain as the main commercial centres, new commercial hubs like Jurong Gateway will also be developed outside the city centre to provide more choices of attractive business locations and bring jobs closer to homes. The other two regional centres are Tampines and Woodlands.
Jurong Gateway offers a highly attractive location outside the Central Business District for company headquarters, business services as well as companies in the science and technology sectors. Companies that set up their offices at Jurong Gateway will be able to:
• gain ready access to a large labour and customer pool from more than one million residents in the surrounding towns of Clementi, Bukit Batok, Jurong East and Jurong West
• enjoy the close proximity to a substantial cluster of multinational and global businesses of more than 3,000 companies around the International Business Park and the Jurong and Tuas Industrial Estates
• tap on a large talent pool from the many surrounding tertiary institutions and research hubs like the Nanyang Technological University, National University of Singapore, One-North and the Science Park
Jurong Gateway is already a major transport hub. The Jurong East MRT station is the interchange station for the East-West and North-South MRT lines. It is well served by three MRT stations and a bus interchange. Jurong Gateway is also well connected to the rest of the island by two major expressways. It is only about 20 minutes away from the city centre by car or train and just 15 minutes to the Second Link.
More new spaces to come
With more than 50 ha of vacant land available for development, Jurong Gateway will provide about 750,000 sq m of commercial space, more than two and a half times the size of Tampines Regional Centre today. The 750,000 sq m of commercial space consist of:
• 500,000 sq m of office space and
• 250,000 sq m of retail, food & beverage and entertainment space
About 2,800 hotel rooms will also be introduced at the fringe of Jurong Gateway, next to Lakeside, to meet the increasing demand for hotel rooms and to cater to the new leisure attractions and businesses that will be introduced around Jurong Lake and Jurong Gateway.
In addition to the commercial space, at least 1,000 new homes will be added around the Jurong East MRT station, providing more opportunities to live and work in the area.
Seamless connections, more greenery
Singaporeans and visitors can look forward to seamless connections and more greenery at Jurong Gateway.
From Jurong East MRT station, pedestrians can walk conveniently and comfortably to most developments and public facilities around the area through an extensive network of walkways. They can also stroll to attractions at Jurong Lake area through a new pedestrian walkway.
There will be an experience of lush greenery with new landscaped open spaces and park connectors introduced at the street-level. Skyrise and rooftop greenery will also be encouraged on many of the buildings in the area.
Key buildings will have scenic views of the lake. For example, buildings around the Jurong East MRT station will step down towards the lake, allowing most developments to have panoramic views of the lake.
Lakeside: New waterfront playground
Jurong Lake and the area around it, known as Lakeside, is the other area in the Jurong Lake District. Spread over 220 ha of land and 70 ha of water, Lakeside is envisaged to be developed into a major leisure destination for Singaporeans and tourists. The attractions at Jurong Lake will be differentiated from others located in Marina Bay, Southern Waterfront and Mandai.
Singaporeans can look forward to enjoy greater access to the lake with additional green spaces and new attractions around the lake for the whole family.
Bringing the lake closer
There will be greater access to the lake from Jurong Gateway. One idea is to create new waterways to bring the experience of the lake closer to the main commercial hub. Another idea is to create a landscaped walkway from Jurong Gateway to the Lakeside.
New green spaces, better access to the lake
A new public park will be developed at the western edge of Jurong Lake, next to Lakeside MRT station. The waterfront promenade along Jurong Lake will be enhanced as well, making it easier and more pleasant for residents and visitors to enjoy breathtaking views of the lake.
New water activities like kayaking and dragon-boating will be introduced in the lake by the end of 2008 as part of Public Utilities Board (PUB)’s Active Beautiful Clean programme. PUB will also be implementing more public amenities such as boardwalks, fishing points, wetlands and water features at selected stretches of the lake by the end of 2009 to allow people to enjoy more of the lake.
New attractions around the lake
Land is available for four to five attractions around the lake catering to families with young children. Possible attractions could be those with edutainment theme or nature-based attractions leveraging on the lake, or attractions with hotels, food & beverage and retail uses. They will complement the attractions that are already in Jurong, for example, the Jurong Bird Park, Science Centre and Singapore Discovery Centre. Blending in with the garden and lake settings, these new attractions will offer fresh recreational opportunities around the lake.
The first anchor attraction is the new world class Science Centre. It will be moved next to the Chinese Garden MRT station. The new Science Centre will not only be bigger and more accessible, the new location also provides exciting opportunities to extend the learning experiences beyond the centre to the lake and surrounding green spaces.
A new lakeside village will be created next to the Jurong Lake. Just 10 minutes walking distance away from Jurong Gateway, the village offers an alternative shopping and dining experience, with food & beverage, retail and entertainment uses and boutique hotels by the lakeside. This village will be connected to Jurong Gateway through a network of walkways, making it a natural gathering place for residents, visitors and people working nearby.
The existing Chinese and Japanese Gardens will have added new facilities and activities to make them more attractive for both residents and tourists to enjoy.
All the attractions around the Jurong Lake will be developed with a sensitive approach to the surrounding environment and natural greenery. Residents and visitors will continue to have access to the water body and enjoy the lush landscaping and serenity of the gardens.
You will find many people using Pulau Ubin address to buy insurance, just like many people using within 1km address of primary school to register their kids for P1 (but they don't live there)! :doh:
thank you. my place already full of conveniences. why would i move to JLD just to prove a point?
still waiting for you to ask me: if life premium higher in Jurong as compared to lets say Pulau Ubin, would i still stay in JLD?
To add, doctors need not stay next to hospitals as they are allocated a free parking lot, and since doctors are very aspirational in lifestyle, they are more likely to be staying D9/10/11/15.
What I heard is that the jurong hospital is not meant for overseas medical tourists, but for higher industrial accidents with more heavy industries buildup in Jurong.
Nurses or other allied medical professionals may rent, but likely they will choose HDB rentals
More foreign companies will take over the CCR office of MND - which is a good news for CCR rentals
Genting hotel is actually a 3.5 stars hotel targeted at budget conscious malaysian tourists who want to gamble here
Total new office space (jem, westgate, simlian) to be built is actually just an equivalent of one one-north metropolis building - we have not heard any MNC commiting to westgate at this moment
Retail build up in JLD is as good as tampines
Conclusion - JLD will be fully realised in 2030. Between now til 2021, the completion downtown line, thomson line will boast the eastern region and northern region. NSE highway will be another boast.
RCR fringe centre like paya lebar central, kallang riverside, novena medical, one north will be built up by 2021
Everyone will huat, JLD will wait for its turn for JRL in 2025
Interesting! Singapore surface winds are predominately S or N!
For 4+4 full months, JLD will receive the full blow of toxic gases from Jurong Island in the South and Tuas in its South West!
For another 4 months, JLD will receive toxic gases from Crematorium in Mandai & Bishan!
JLD has the best of all world in Singapore! :doh:
You just reaffirmed the risk of living close to airport, shipping route, refinery in the southern coast of Malaysia, 2 crematorium in the central, pesticide from golf courses as well as year around 365 traffic congestion in central region.
hsifreffup
14-10-13, 21:20
I am ok lar... I let NEA do their job..... 😃
To each his own. Although I am more inclined to take my own safety in my own hands.
To each his own. Although I am more inclined to take my own safety in my own hands.
I agree... That's why I sleep with air con on.... Switch on my germitrol steriliser (some air purifier) to let my lung breather....
I personally feel living in a Cosmo city like Singapore, u cannot run away from pollution....
U see those with sensitive nose, when thy go Australia or New Zealand, no more sneezing and sinus????
Actually, u all need to look into this.... That's why my kids when young, slept in air con and I have steriliser in their room.... Their sinus disappeared... Oh, btw, we were staying in bishan then....
To each his own. Although I am more inclined to take my own safety in my own hands.
having fake forum accounts or double life help. If one dies, you still have another to keep you going.
As I mentioned, insurance companies will not do difficult jobs that will add to their costs unnecessarily.
It is difficult to charge people different premiums based on where they live, unless it is across countries. Just like how they price motor insurance, just based on age and whether >1 years experience. They don't care about over-claiming because difficult to catch. They just peg insurance premium to their overall profits.
Same as health insurance, people can use different address to buy insurance if they know certain locations they can buy cheaper insurance. So, easiest to them is to base on age and gender. Other than that, they just peg insurance premium based on their overall profits.
insurance industry just love it when people LIE.
if nothing happen, they keep premium.
if something happen, they reject the claim because you LIE. and return you the premiums. in the meantime, they have already used your money.
if you are smoker and you declare u r non-smoker at time of application.
if you got lung cancer and they find out u misdeclare, does anybody think they will pay out.
you see insurance are relatively lax when u want to join as compared to when you make a claim.
why need to declare if u r a smoker?
why need to declare if you play dangerous sports?
why need to declare if parents have history of cancer?
why no need to declare if u stay in Jurong?
being a smoker is definitely more dangerous than staying in Jurong.
Have you tried switching off the aircon in the morning after you hve woken up? You may feel stuffy due to the buildup of CO2 overnight. Split aircon does not hve fresh air provision. U cannot feel it because the air is cold. Too high CO2 can lead to headache.
I agree... That's why I sleep with air con on.... Switch on my germitrol steriliser (some air purifier) to let my lung breather....
I personally feel living in a Cosmo city like Singapore, u cannot run away from pollution....
U see those with sensitive nose, when thy go Australia or New Zealand, no more sneezing and sinus????
Actually, u all need to look into this.... That's why my kids when young, slept in air con and I have steriliser in their room.... Their sinus disappeared... Oh, btw, we were staying in bishan then....
Have you tried switching off the aircon in the morning after you hve woken up? You may feel stuffy due to the buildup of CO2 overnight. Split aircon does not hve fresh air provision. U cannot feel it because the air is cold. Too high CO2 can lead to headache.
Have some oxygen every morning or as and when you feel like you need it
It really freshen one up
http://www.airo2.com.sg/oxia.html
Have some oxygen every morning or as and when you feel like you need it
It really freshen one up
http://www.airo2.com.sg/oxia.html
Wah.... Quite cool... Would get one....
Wah.... Quite cool... Would get one....
quite ex but worth it
cheeros
quite ex but worth it
cheeros
Any store selling or must get from the website????
TIA
Any store selling or must get from the website????
TIA
from the website
most welcome Bro
guys, pure oxygen is toxic.
another scam like oxygenated water?
:doh::doh::doh:
Please read 4.2 (d).... U hurt my feelings
http://app2.nea.gov.sg/docs/default-source/public-health/code-of-practice-on-pollution-control.pdf?sfvrsn=2
Minimum 15m from ground....
thanks for the info
but still didnt find any reference to "ground chimney" ?
what is "ground chimney"?
To consolidate all discussions from Ringo33 (from the horse's mouth) and input from other forumers, we now know and can conclude the following:
1) Ringo33 told us: "consolidation of port to Tuas is going to be MASSIVE!", "In the longer term, we shall see Cross Region Line and shipping and port related industry moving from Keppel, Tanjong Pagar to the west."
Looks great indeed. But he also tell us point (2) below that he didn't associate with this point (1).
That is, with massive consolidation of port at Tuas, all the ships with berth in the West & South-West of Singapore around Tuas or idle around the West and South-West coast of Singapore, and all container trunks, lorries, will all go through Jurong to Tuas westwards and return through Jurong eastwards. All these are going to produce tonnes of smokes, and CO and CO2 etc. He reminds us that there are many articles about the harmful effect of shipping vessel that are easily available on the internet, and we can imagine how harmful all these toxic gases and particles produced by these ships, container trucks, lorries are going to be in Jurong!
2) Ringo33 told us that: "Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet."
So fumes from the airplanes and shipping vessel are terribly bad for health! Please see point (1) about it!
3) there are lots of smoke from the gas flare rises into the sky (in Jurong).
Please see point (1) and (2).
4) Singapore surface winds are predominantly S and N.
Don't forget JLD is to the North of Jurong Island, and to the North East of Tuas).
So we have answer to the question of "can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?"! Most of the smokes will be blown northwards to Jurong from Jurong Island! Get it? If you don't get it, then you must damned stupid since Ringo33 already provided you all the information! He even provided a chart of the wind directions over the 12 months!
5) Another forumer said: "It also validates the hypergrowth of foreign workers population, kudos to our gov who is providing them with jurong lake garden for picnic on sundays, or shopping in JLD! They need R&R too, glad to see more is done for their benefit since they contribute much to our heavy industries."
Thanks to another forumer reminder, yes, we will see huge foreign workers population growth in Jurong. These foreign workers will naturally stay near their work place to minimize transport's costs, and hence will stay in Jurong East & Jurong West! Soon, we may see the "Geylang" equivalent or "Jurong Geylang" to cater for such a huge concentration of foreign workers! With "Jurong Geylang", Jurong lake garden, JLD, Jurong shopping malls, these foreign workers don't even need to step out of Jurong! Save a lot of costs for them in transports, and avoid public transport congestions outside of Jurong as well because of their travelling around!
6) Ringo33 told us that: "There is no need to wait for 20 years, from now on, almost every year, you are going to see new development coming up around JLD."
Well, he conveniently/un-intentionally/intentionally forget to tell us that "no need to wait for 20 years, from now on, almost every year, you are going to see new development in terms of refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, incinerators, power generation plants coming up around JLD! All these are going to produce tonnes of toxic gases for his pleasure! You are going to see exponential growth of foreign workers living in Jurong and soon a "Jurong Geylang"!".
7) Another forumer told us that: " "Parts of Indonesia, being the source of the forest fires which caused the haze, have experienced the most impact from the smoke." - wikipedia
Proximity and ground zero. The haze is less dense the further away it is from the source.
Singapore may be small and may be fully engulfed by transboundary haze, but it is still a good idea to get as far from the source as possible. "
So, if anybody want to live in Singapore, it makes sense to live as far away as possible from the source that produces those toxic gases and particles, which in this case is Jurong Island, Tuas, and Jurong!
8) Another forumer said "That's why I sleep with air con on.... Switch on my germitrol steriliser (some air purifier) to let my lung breather....
I personally feel living in a Cosmo city like Singapore, u cannot run away from pollution....
U see those with sensitive nose, when thy go Australia or New Zealand, no more sneezing and sinus????
Actually, u all need to look into this.... That's why my kids when young, slept in air con and I have steriliser in their room.... Their sinus disappeared... Oh, btw, we were staying in bishan then...."
So, if you are rich, you will be fine if you live on the high floor, switch on the air-con 24 hours a day, switch on your germitrol steriliser then your lung will breath better, no sinus...
But another forumer said: "You may feel stuffy due to the buildup of CO2 overnight. Split aircon does not hve fresh air provision. U cannot feel it because the air is cold. Too high CO2 can lead to headache."
Another forumer said try some pure oxygen. Another said very expensive!
Yet another forumer said oxygen is toxic (or rather addictive?).
SO if you are not rich to afford the above, how?
There is only 1 simple and cheap solution: live as far away as possible from the source that produces those toxic gases and particles, which in this case is Jurong Island, Tuas, and Jurong! Then, don't need air-con, don't need pure oxygen, naturally no headache, no sinus, no sensitive nose, so many benefits!...
You really got me on this one. i have always thought that you are an expert in air pollution just like Teddybear. So I guess I have been wasting my time reading what you posted.
The consolidation of port to Tuas is going to be MASSIVE and this will instantly generate huge interest in both HDB and private property in the western region. No wonder government is building the Cross Island Line to facilitate the growth in the western region.
Perhaps so, then I guess the fumes from the airplanes and shipping vessel will hit people living in the east the hardest. And those along the NE coast will be hit by the fumes coming from across the straits.
Did you guys notice how the smoke from the gas flare rises into the sky before being blown eastward towards east.
The direction of the plume is governed by the prevailing wind in N-E and S-W, and proximity to the source is very critical. Not sure if NEA is looking at this. There is a cause for concern for acid rain. I was visting a factory near pioneer area once and wondered why the cars in the open carpark were wrapped in plastic sheet. Employers told me about the acidic nature of the waste exhaust from the nearby factories can etch their cars' paintwork.
must have read it wrongly. If its no NE, then SW. Anyway, up north, there are also refinery in Malaysia, so NE or SW, those fumes from refinery will still reach the east side of Singapore.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
It also validates the hypergrowth of foreign workers population, kudos to our gov who is providing them with jurong lake garden for picnic on sundays, or shopping in JLD! They need R&R too, glad to see more is done for their benefit since they contribute much to our heavy industries
There is no need to wait for 20 years, from now on, almost every year, you are going to see new development coming up around JLD.
Dec 2013 - Westgate mall open, the first Isetan supermarket to outside Orchard,
2014
* MND, BCA, AVA will start to move into JLD
* Wesgate office tower TOP
* Big Box TOP
* Jurong Region Line alignment announcement.
2015
Genting Hotel TOP
Jurong Community Hospital, Ng Teng Fong Hospital TOP
2016
J Gateway TOP
Sim Lian high rise office tower will TOP
And in the coming years, many new sites around JLD will also be launch for tender, this including high rise, medium rise office tower, theme park around Lakeside district, and the construction of new science center, and Lakeside Village and perhaps even the High Speed Rail station coming to Jurong.
In the longer term, we shall see Cross Region Line and shipping and port related industry moving from Keppel, Tanjong Pagar to the west.
With so many jobs created in the west and limited residential land supply around JLD, you tell me how not to huat?
I am sure if the above list of projects are going to build in the east, many people here will be screaming till ice creams flow out from their nose.
Like I said, BEWARE.
"Parts of Indonesia, being the source of the forest fires which caused the haze, have experienced the most impact from the smoke." - wikipedia
Proximity and ground zero. The haze is less dense the further away it is from the source.
Singapore may be small and may be fully engulfed by transboundary haze, but it is still a good idea to get as far from the source as possible.
More foreign companies will take over the CCR office of MND - which is a good news for CCR rentals
Genting hotel is actually a 3.5 stars hotel targeted at budget conscious malaysian tourists who want to gamble here
Total new office space (jem, westgate, simlian) to be built is actually just an equivalent of one one-north metropolis building - we have not heard any MNC commiting to westgate at this moment
Retail build up in JLD is as good as tampines
Conclusion - JLD will be fully realised in 2030. Between now til 2021, the completion downtown line, thomson line will boast the eastern region and northern region. NSE highway will be another boast.
RCR fringe centre like paya lebar central, kallang riverside, novena medical, one north will be built up by 2021
Everyone will huat, JLD will wait for its turn for JRL in 2025
To add, doctors need not stay next to hospitals as they are allocated a free parking lot, and since doctors are very aspirational in lifestyle, they are more likely to be staying D9/10/11/15.
What I heard is that the jurong hospital is not meant for overseas medical tourists, but for higher industrial accidents with more heavy industries buildup in Jurong.
Nurses or other allied medical professionals may rent, but likely they will choose HDB rentals
I agree... That's why I sleep with air con on.... Switch on my germitrol steriliser (some air purifier) to let my lung breather....
I personally feel living in a Cosmo city like Singapore, u cannot run away from pollution....
U see those with sensitive nose, when thy go Australia or New Zealand, no more sneezing and sinus????
Actually, u all need to look into this.... That's why my kids when young, slept in air con and I have steriliser in their room.... Their sinus disappeared... Oh, btw, we were staying in bishan then....
Have you tried switching off the aircon in the morning after you hve woken up? You may feel stuffy due to the buildup of CO2 overnight. Split aircon does not hve fresh air provision. U cannot feel it because the air is cold. Too high CO2 can lead to headache.
guys, pure oxygen is toxic.
another scam like oxygenated water?
Yes you are correct
just a small wifff is ok or when you are in a stuffy room and feeling a slight headache
I use to release some into my room
Yes you are correct
just a small wifff is ok or when you are in a stuffy room and feeling a slight headache
I use to release some into my room
Maybe teddybear can set up the first oxygen spa in Jurong. I am sure he will make loads of money from it.
Maybe teddybear can set up the first oxygen spa in Jurong. I am sure he will make loads of money from it.
Have to admire his dedication to the topic
But no matter how much he writes
West is my home
Life is more valuable than money to me, so NO, business in Jurong not for me, else have to wear oxygen mask there! :tongue3:
That is why no amount of cheapness in Jurong will lure me there! May be it is good for you (but not me)! May be you can set up oxygen spa in Jurong so that you can make lots of money instead? Or no wonder you want to convince people to buy Jurong and live in Jurong so that you can have good business? :doh:
Maybe teddybear can set up the first oxygen spa in Jurong. I am sure he will make loads of money from it.
Life is more valuable than money to me, so NO, business in Jurong not for me, else have to wear oxygen mask there! :tongue3:
That is why no amount of cheapness in Jurong will lure me there! May be it is good for you (but not me)! May be you can set up oxygen spa in Jurong so that you can make lots of money instead? Or no wonder you want to convince people to buy Jurong and live in Jurong so that you can have good business? :doh:
I was just joking, so please dont take it so seriously
But you are right, live is valuable, so dont waste time fear mongering about air pollution with unsubstantiated article and quotes because we all know that you knowledge on air pollution is as good as anyone who knows how to use google search.
Am amazed this thread just goes on and on.
Anyone visited JEM after it reopened? Looking forward to WestGate opening yearend.
Am amazed this thread just goes on and on.
Anyone visited JEM after it reopened? Looking forward to WestGate opening yearend.
looking forward fitness first at Westgate.
Just got back from JEM and once again I am reaffirming my believe that the future of JLD is very bright. Even the 2 Bangladeshi I saw at JEM today are also going up market, very well dressed. And there are many indo families doing their shopping as well
When I left, the queue to the carpark was at least 100m long, I am guessing many Singaporeans from all over Singapore must have come to JEM to get a taste of the largest commercial center out CBD.
Come Dec 2013, when Westgate opens expect more shoppers will flock to Jurong Gateway.
Just got back from JEM and once again I am reaffirming my believe that the future of JLD is very bright. Even the 2 Bangladeshi I saw at JEM today are also going up market, very well dressed. And there are many indo families doing their shopping as well
When I left, the queue to the carpark was at least 100m long, I am guessing many Singaporeans from all over Singapore must have come to JEM to get a taste of the largest commercial center out CBD.
Come Dec 2013, when Westgate opens expect more shoppers will flock to Jurong Gateway.
Are u there to check whether jem change the floor tiles?
Just got back from JEM and once again I am reaffirming my believe that the future of JLD is very bright. Even the 2 Bangladeshi I saw at JEM today are also going up market, very well dressed. And there are many indo families doing their shopping as well
When I left, the queue to the carpark was at least 100m long, I am guessing many Singaporeans from all over Singapore must have come to JEM to get a taste of the largest commercial center out CBD.
Come Dec 2013, when Westgate opens expect more shoppers will flock to Jurong Gateway.
Will wait till Westgate open then shopping both at one go...:D:D:D!
Allthepies
15-10-13, 18:29
Just got back from JEM and once again I am reaffirming my believe that the future of JLD is very bright. Even the 2 Bangladeshi I saw at JEM today are also going up market, very well dressed. And there are many indo families doing their shopping as well
When I left, the queue to the carpark was at least 100m long, I am guessing many Singaporeans from all over Singapore must have come to JEM to get a taste of the largest commercial center out CBD.
Come Dec 2013, when Westgate opens expect more shoppers will flock to Jurong Gateway.
I just saw the area in jurong east town centre, next to jcube and the library being cordoned up. Any idea what they building? :)
Just got back from JEM and once again I am reaffirming my believe that the future of JLD is very bright. Even the 2 Bangladeshi I saw at JEM today are also going up market, very well dressed. And there are many indo families doing their shopping as well
When I left, the queue to the carpark was at least 100m long, I am guessing many Singaporeans from all over Singapore must have come to JEM to get a taste of the largest commercial center out CBD.
Come Dec 2013, when Westgate opens expect more shoppers will flock to Jurong Gateway.
so u welcome well dressed bangladeshi as yr future tenants huh?
I just saw the area in jurong east town centre, next to jcube and the library being cordoned up. Any idea what they building? :)
Hotel by genting Singapore. Construction is full steam ahead. I think will top early 2015
so this is where they keep all the shipping vessel huh...
http://www.h88.com.sg/images/content/guides/hdb/sea.JPG
Allthepies
15-10-13, 19:03
Hotel by genting Singapore. Construction is full steam ahead. I think will top early 2015
Its not the hotel plot or any of the recent GLS plot. ..
It the plot next to Jcube, library, and hdb shop house block 135
Its not the hotel plot or any of the recent GLS plot. ..
It the plot next to Jcube, library, and hdb shop house block 135
No idea, it could be PUB sewage work or elevated pedestrian walk way that connects Jurong East MRT to Science Center
Allthepies
15-10-13, 20:14
No idea, it could be PUB sewage work or elevated pedestrian walk way that connects Jurong East MRT to Science Center
Hope they move the science Centre soon and start developing the fnb... looking eagerly for it. ..
Where is this place? :doh:
so this is where they keep all the shipping vessel huh...
http://www.h88.com.sg/images/content/guides/hdb/sea.JPG
Allthepies
15-10-13, 20:18
They should develop some landed facing the lake directly along the stretch from Chinese garden to Lake side, very tranquil and peaceful. ...
so this is where they keep all the shipping vessel huh...
http://www.h88.com.sg/images/content/guides/hdb/sea.JPG
Took you longer than I expected to recover from the brain drain when you tried to grasp elementary wind direction.
Guess where all of them will be in 10 yrs time? Funny, I count way less than a 1000 vessels which according to our maritime authority is the no. of vessels at our ports at any one time.
You still haven't answer my questions below:
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
Wow...according to your article below, imagine how 1000 vessels AT ANY ONE TIME at the new port is going to impact Tuas? This is not even counting all the container trucks that will be converging there.
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)
Hope they move the science Centre soon and start developing the fnb... looking eagerly for it. ..
They are targeting to move the science center in 2020 and it should form part of the overall edutainment theme park attraction in lake side district.
"They said someday you'll find
All who love are blind
Oh, when your heart's on fire
You must realize
Smoke gets in your eyes..."
1000 vessels....
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L38vkctF0L0/TcjA8KrtlrI/AAAAAAAABnE/PZUdx7HdhOY/s1600/dirty%2Bdiesel%2B1.JPG
http://shipmanagementinternational.sites.russellpreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/smoke-pic.jpg
http://luminance.ucsd.edu/image/2008/ships/shipsmoke368.jpg
All the container trucks....
http://www.livemint.com/rf/Image-621x414/LiveMint/Period1/2011/11/03/Photos/4037e1a1-debd-42b9-836b-07e780ecf7ea.jpg
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/image/view/-/1889286/medRes/528852/-/maxw/600/-/9v2ep2z/-/dn+coast+coast+jam+0206A+px.jpg
And after that lovely song, now... a special word from our sponsor,
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)
any idea why NTU and NUS are located in the west?
NUS is less 1 km away from all the belching ships.
Yes you are correct
just a small wifff is ok or when you are in a stuffy room and feeling a slight headache
I use to release some into my room
31 litres is not a lot.
lets say the volume of air in a bedroom = 4*4*3 * 1000=48000 liters air.
it would only increase oxygen content like (48000*21% + 31*90%)/48031 = 21.04%
the effect you are feeling is more like placebo effect.
any idea why NTU and NUS are located in the west?
NUS is less 1 km away from all the belching ships.
The decision to move the ports appears to be a more recent decision long after the the move of NUS and NTU. Also, with the exception of some faculties, most students will complete their degree in 3 yrs or so.
From : Portfinanceinternational.com
Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has confirmed plans to relocate container terminals to the industrial hub of Tuas, on the south-western tip of the city-state.
“The port has been very successful. It is growing; it is reaching its limits. So we are building a new port in Tuas, bigger, more efficient, almost double the present capacity,” Lee said on Sunday. “And when this is done, we can move from Tanjong Pagar to Tuas.”
“Starting 2027 when the ports’ leases expire and when they move to Tuas, you will free up the prime land in Tanjong Pagar. And there we can build a Southern Waterfront City,” the Prime Minister added. He explained that the reclaimed area would stretch over 1,000 hectares from Shenton Way to Pasir Panjang.
The relocation plans were first outlined by Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew last October.
“The port leases for the city terminals at Tanjong Pagar, Keppel and Pulau Brani will expire in 2027,” Lui noted. “We will work towards consolidating all our container port activities at Tuas over the long term.”
“Tuas provides a suitable location because of its sheltered deep waters and proximity to both our major industrial areas and international shipping routes. We will plan for Tuas Port to be able to handle up to 65 million TEUs per annum,” the Transport Minister said.
Wow....PM said "Double the capacity". Does that mean 2000 vessels at our port at any one time ? I better amend my post.
1000 OR 2000 vessels?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L38vkctF0L0/TcjA8KrtlrI/AAAAAAAABnE/PZUdx7HdhOY/s1600/dirty%2Bdiesel%2B1.JPG
http://shipmanagementinternational.sites.russellpreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/smoke-pic.jpg
http://luminance.ucsd.edu/image/2008/ships/shipsmoke368.jpg
65 million TEUs...All the container trucks....
http://www.livemint.com/rf/Image-621x414/LiveMint/Period1/2011/11/03/Photos/4037e1a1-debd-42b9-836b-07e780ecf7ea.jpg
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/image/view/-/1889286/medRes/528852/-/maxw/600/-/9v2ep2z/-/dn+coast+coast+jam+0206A+px.jpg
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How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)
Where is this place? :doh:
Doesnt look like jurong to me.
Here is another one.
http://static.flickr.com/100/305614575_e2848a42ba_o.jpg
http://www.h88.com.sg/images/content/guides/hdb/sea.JPG
http://jeffry.ghazally.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/20101028-121834.jpg
http://travel-tips.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/singapore-marina-bay-sands-hotel-ocean-view.jpg
http://eunicechen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Penthouse-view.png
This one is seaview from the west
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/shull22/Street%20Photography/_MG_1663.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/shull22/Street%20Photography/_MG_1638.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/shull22/Street%20Photography/_MG_1662.jpg
Doesnt look like jurong to me.
Here is another one.
Funny, I don't see any smoke from their funnels in all your pictures? Crew must be on shore leave and engines must be off.
The key question should be "Where will all these ships be converging in the next 10 yrs or so?"
1000 OR 2000 vessels at any point in time at the new port?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-L38vkctF0L0/TcjA8KrtlrI/AAAAAAAABnE/PZUdx7HdhOY/s1600/dirty%2Bdiesel%2B1.JPG
http://shipmanagementinternational.sites.russellpreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/smoke-pic.jpg
http://luminance.ucsd.edu/image/2008/ships/shipsmoke368.jpg
65 million TEUs...All the container trucks....
http://www.livemint.com/rf/Image-621x414/LiveMint/Period1/2011/11/03/Photos/4037e1a1-debd-42b9-836b-07e780ecf7ea.jpg
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/image/view/-/1889286/medRes/528852/-/maxw/600/-/9v2ep2z/-/dn+coast+coast+jam+0206A+px.jpg
And now... a special word from our sponsor,
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)
Cant even tell if these photos are from Singapore??
This dude must be very very desperate LOL!
Can someone who us a photo of a port that can berth 1000 shipping vessel...
http://www.stproperty.sg/articles-property/commercial/coach-to-be-first-luxury-retailer-in-suburban-mall/a/133881
Cant even tell if these photos are from Singapore??
This dude must be very very desperate LOL!
Actually it sounds more like someone is making a desperate attempt to cover up his mistake at posting an article on shipping pollution and not realizing that all the ports in Singapore will be consolidated at Tuas...
btw, you still haven't answered my question. Have some common courtesy.
Will the consolidation of ports in Tuas increase traffic of container vessels and trucks exponentially and how does this correlate to all the articles on harmful effect of shipping vessel?
I am sure a lot of readers will be interested in knowing about your views.
1) Yes, can you tell us where those smokes will end up after leaving Jurong Island?
2) Yes, the consolidation of port to Tuas will give a big boost to the property in western region, from industrial commercial and residential.
3) I have got a picture too..!! LOL Are you saying your picture is nicer than mine?
4) Many article about the harmful effect of airplane and shipping vessel are easily available on the internet. go check.
Wow...according to your article below, imagine how 1000/2000 vessels AT ANY ONE TIME at the new port is going to impact Tuas? This is not even counting all the container trucks that will be converging there.
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html)
http://www.stproperty.sg/articles-property/commercial/work-starts-on-jurong-lake-district-hotel/a/127788
31 litres is not a lot.
lets say the volume of air in a bedroom = 4*4*3 * 1000=48000 liters air.
it would only increase oxygen content like (48000*21% + 31*90%)/48031 = 21.04%
the effect you are feeling is more like placebo effect.
Hi hopeful
thank you for the information
these guys were doing marketing quite aggressively some years ago
that's where I got started
View of Jurong island.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2238/2333064962_96f1bd18e4_o.jpg
How time flies. KBW, the head of MND, and his team are going to move into JLD next year.
https://app.mnd.gov.sg/Images4File//Newsroom/20110303-MNDBuilding.jpg
The Ministry of National Development (MND) announced today that it has signed the Heads of Terms Agreement to take up a 30-year lease for 29,300 sq. m. of office space in the Lend Lease’s white site development at the Jurong Gateway. This marks the first time a government agency is committing to a long-term lease with a private developer in its development project.
MND announced last year that, together with its statutory boards the Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority (AVA) and the Building and Construction Authority (BCA), it will relocate to Jurong Gateway by 2015. This will free up prime office space in the Central Business District for higher-value uses, reduce occupancy costs for the Government, as well as catalyze the new growth area at Jurong Gateway.
The first white site at Jurong Gateway, next to Jurong East MRT station, was awarded to Lend Lease in June 2010. Scheduled for completion in 2014, the mixed development, comprising quality office and retail space, will inject a new lifestyle and retail buzz to the town centre with its exciting lifestyle offerings. The development will incorporate green spaces, sky terraces, roof gardens and other green features that are in line with MND’s mission of creating a vibrant and sustainable living environment for Singapore.
Mr Tan Tee How, Permanent Secretary for National Development, said of this new partnership: “We have found it financially viable leasing our office space from the private developer instead of building our own premises. The Jurong Lake District is one of the key growth areas identified by the Singapore Government. By committing to the long lease as anchor tenant in the Lend Lease development, it will also help to accelerate the development of this new growth area.”
Mr Ooi Eng-Peng, CEO Asia, Lend Lease, commented: “Having operated in Singapore for over 37 years, Lend Lease is proud to be in partnership with MND in its first private sector partnership for its office space. Our Jurong Gateway project presents a great opportunity for Lend Lease to deliver another world class office space featuring future sustainable workplaces complemented by one of the largest suburban malls in Singapore.”
How time flies. KBW, the head of MND, and his team are going to move into JLD next year.
Not sure singapore govt stupid or australia govt smart.
For the sake of saving a few bucks, MND susceptible to spying.
Hopefully, defence ministry dont lease any building built by foreign developer or foreign architect
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900618&slug=1077770
Now lend lease would privy to anything MND discuss.
Go West, Where the growth is at
Go West, Plenty of tenant there
Go West, Better dont miss the boat
Go West, That's the promise land.
UniSIM to house third law school in Singapore
http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/straitstimes.com/files/imagecache/story-gallery-featured/20131016/unisim12345e.jpg
UniSIM has been selected to host Singapore's third law school offering a law undergraduate course with a focus on family law and criminal law. The programme will be launched in the next few years.
Education Minister Heng Swee Keat announced this at the annual convocation ceremony for UniSIM graduates on Wednesday morning.
Mr Heng also announced that the Singapore Institute of Technology which currently offers niche degrees from overseas universities will run its own programmes from next year in infrastructure engineering, software development and accountancy. It will take in about 200 students into these three courses. These courses offered by UniSIM and SIT will integrate classroom learning with real life applications on the job.
More university places and courses will also open up for Singaporeans next year with SIM University and the Singapore Institute of Technology adding more degrees. UniSIM will add three full-time degrees to its part-time offerings. The courses in marketing, finance and accountancy will offer 200 places.
I don't think you realise the disservice you have done to West owners.
Innudating readers with pictures and old articles of JLD ad nasuem
Boasting of the superiority of your beloved district until even neutral parties cannot take it,
Sabotaging them by posting your article on ship pollution,
Rehashing old news of govt depts moving to Jurong,
and now, this beats the cake
a University in Clementi offering a new course means "West = Golden land of opportunity" ????
I think you have elevated the term 'hard sell' to a new stratospheric level.
Please spare the west owners....I think you have done them enough harm.
I don't think you realise the disservice you have done to West owners.
Innudating readers with pictures and old articles of JLD ad nasuem
Boasting of the superiority of your beloved district until even neutral parties cannot take it,
Sabotaging them by posting your article on ship pollution,
Rehashing old news of govt depts moving to Jurong,
and now, this beats the cake
a University in Clementi offering a new course means "West = Golden land of opportunity" ????
I think you have elevated the term 'hard sell' to a new stratospheric level.
Please spare the west owners....I think you have done them enough harm.
so now u see the consequences of commiting to an overpriced investment?
can u quote me a 2nd person who behave in such manner?
so now u see the consequences of commiting to an overpriced investment?
can u quote me a 2nd person who behave in such manner?
DKSG. He is overcommited to his stand and even resort to outright "untruths", like saying Sky Vue selling 500+ the Monday after the preview.
Perhaps DKSG is right. Maybe the cutoff point for reporting sales to URA 29september, like from 30august to 29september for september sales?
30 september to 29october for october sales?
30 october to 29 november for november sales?
How time flies. KBW, the head of MND, and his team are going to move into JLD next year.
I am sure many of them needs caddies, why don't you send in your resume before someone grabs it.
DKSG. He is overcommited to his stand and even resort to outright "untruths", like saying Sky Vue selling 500+ the Monday after the preview.
Perhaps DKSG is right. Maybe the cutoff point for reporting sales to URA 29september, like from 30august to 29september for september sales?
30 september to 29october for october sales?
30 october to 29 november for november sales?
dun twist my statement. I am saying who behaved like R33 when he has commited to an overpriced project.
as to the statement dksg has commited to u, u shd not be asking me. I did not mislead anyone or provided any untruth facts to anyone. If u feel tat I hv, quote me the post.
so now u see the consequences of commiting to an overpriced investment?
can u quote me a 2nd person who behave in such manner?
Actually, the only other forummer I have come across who acts like that is the infamous Mr. B. Whether he overcommited or as many seem to think so, failed to commit, I do not know, but the behavioural patterns seem similar
1. Incessant posting of articles/news to drive his point across
2. Deflect/Avoid questions he cannot answer
3. Refusal to accept any other point of view except his own
Actually, the only other forummer I have come across who acts like that is the infamous Mr. B.
1. Incessant posting of articles/news to drive his point across
2. Deflect/Avoid questions he cannot answer
3. Refusal to accept any other point of view except his own
Wat is Mr B's full nick? I always see ppl mentioning Mr B but I hv nvr see his post b4 :o
so r u trying to imply anything? hahahaha :D
dun twist my statement. I am saying who behaved like R33 when he has commited to an overpriced project.
as to the statement dksg has commited to u, u shd not be asking me. I did not mislead anyone or provided any untruth facts to anyone. If u feel tat I hv, quote me the post.
huh? i am not asking you abt DKSG. i am informing you only about how overcommitted DKSG is to his stand.
well, u are saying R33 is overcommitted to Jurong/JLD, i am saying DKSG is overcommitted to being right.
Wat is Mr B's full nick? I always see ppl mentioning Mr B but I hv nvr see his post b4 :o
so r u trying to imply anything? hahahaha :D
The infamous Mr. Basic.....
The infamous Mr. Basic.....
I juz did a search on tis Mr B. His email name seems diff fm whom I hv suspected :p
Then I read thr a few pages of Mr B's posts to hv a feel of his comments, style of writing, manners of reacting .... hahahaha .... I trust my intuition :D
Wat is Mr B's full nick? I always see ppl mentioning Mr B but I hv nvr see his post b4 :o
so r u trying to imply anything? hahahaha :D
Mr B was Basic or Basically.
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=12285&page=1001
was an avid poster on CNA forums under many names - kept getting banned because his mouth is so foul - at least you have to give Ringo credit, he's only as rude as everyone else on here, nothing special and above it :cheers1:
Favourite tactics included:
Assertion is fact - as long as it's from him. Everyone is lies and needs hard proof.
Get caught in confusion or lies or arguing on mutually exclusive items - try to divert attention by spamming the forum and hope the original gets lost in the noise
He is always right - therefore anyone else's opinion must be wrong - even if opinion and data align.
Cannot keep track of what he is arguing with who, all forumers seem to merge to same person who is out to get him.
I think argue until final end up in IMH
Mr B was Basic or Basically.
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=12285&page=1001
was an avid poster on CNA forums under many names - kept getting banned because his mouth is so foul - at least you have to give Ringo credit, he's only as rude as everyone else on here, nothing special and above it :cheers1:
Favourite tactics included:
Assertion is fact - as long as it's from him. Everyone is lies and needs hard proof.
Get caught in confusion or lies or arguing on mutually exclusive items - try to divert attention by spamming the forum and hope the original gets lost in the noise
He is always right - therefore anyone else's opinion must be wrong - even if opinion and data align.
Cannot keep track of what he is arguing with who, all forumers seem to merge to same person who is out to get him.
I think argue until final end up in IMH
well, it really depends on wat u wan. if u dun mind argue yr way out wif someone who behave like wat u hv mentioned abv, by all means cont'd wif wat u hv been doing.
however, if u really feel very disturbed by such forummer, the best way to solve the prob will be:
"stop feeding the troll"
as long as u stop supporting their threads/responding to them ... they will feel bored even if they talk to themselves.
Future Jurong District
http://www.juronghealth.com.sg/uploadedImages/Our_Hospitals/Ng_Teng_Fong_General_Hospital/jgh_tfjd_img1.jpg
Grace Fu pointing towards J Gateway "this one sure HUAT" :D
http://www.juronghealth.com.sg/assets/0/81/86/608/905ae242-7137-4233-8f51-7badc0129e65.jpg
well, it really depends on wat u wan. if u dun mind argue yr way out wif someone who behave like wat u hv mentioned abv, by all means cont'd wif wat u hv been doing.
however, if u really feel very disturbed by such forummer, the best way to solve the prob will be:
"stop feeding the troll"
as long as u stop supporting their threads/responding to them ... they will feel bored even if they talk to themselves.
Mermaid, do you like people asking if you mum is a beast or freak? Dont like right? So next time dont talk about other people's parent lah.
Yes, dont feed the troll, especially those using multiple forum accounts to troll.
well, it really depends on wat u wan. if u dun mind argue yr way out wif someone who behave like wat u hv mentioned abv, by all means cont'd wif wat u hv been doing.
however, if u really feel very disturbed by such forummer, the best way to solve the prob will be:
"stop feeding the troll"
as long as u stop supporting their threads/responding to them ... they will feel bored even if they talk to themselves.
Well a long long time ago I once posted
"never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience"
That is why now unless under special circumstance I don't bother with him.
However he now finishes every post with that phrase but keeps on arguing - I guess he must really respect his opponent and think they are no idiots!
Well a long long time ago I once posted
"never argue with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience"
That is why now unless under special circumstance I don't bother with him.
However he now finishes every post with that phrase but keeps on arguing - I guess he must really respect his opponent and think they are no idiots!
if his opponents r idiots, do u tink he nid to try so hard to prove himself meh
? :D
aiya ppl hv eyes to see one la.
it will be naïve to tink tat others will buy yr story simply becos u kept asserting it meh?
we r all adults leh, so easily brain washed? :doh:
So nice to see trolls hugging and kissing...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Dz0s8085N10/UGtvm2S4ghI/AAAAAAAADHU/xLB9_d1OhL0/s1600/lean-on-me-whipper-snapper-rubber-stamp-2824-p.jpg
Go West for all the smokes from ships & container trucks which you told us are very bad for health?
Go West, Where the growth is at
Go West, Plenty of tenant there
Go West, Better dont miss the boat
Go West, That's the promise land.
Go West for all the smokes from ships & container trucks which you told us are very bad for health?
Smokes from ships?
this is where they are, where their engine still burning the bunker fuels as the approach or departs the ports.
As for containers trucks, the purpose of Tuas port is to eliminate them consolidate.
However the same cannot be said about airport actually because they are going to double the capacity.
http://travel-tips.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/singapore-marina-bay-sands-hotel-ocean-view.jpg
Smokes from ships?
this is where they are, where their engine still burning the bunker fuels as the approach or departs the ports.
As for containers trucks, the purpose of Tuas port is to eliminate them consolidate.
However the same cannot be said about airport actually because they are going to double the capacity.
http://travel-tips.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/singapore-marina-bay-sands-hotel-ocean-view.jpg
Funny. I don't see any smoke from any of the ships in the pictures. Don't you know that engines are off when ships are anchored for re-provisioning and the crew goes on shore leave.
But get a load of this ship at our container port in pic below.
It takes at least a few hours for a container vessel to be unloaded or loaded.
Guess how many of these ships will be at the new port in Tuas as early as 10 years from now multiplied by the no. of hours spent unloading/loading.
According to our PM, the new port at Tuas will have DOUBLE the capacity of our current ports.
Go figure how much fumes will be generated at the new port.
http://cargonewsasia.com/eCargonewsAsia/photo/2010-01-18/image/pic2010-01-18i21669p4396.jpg
Container trucks eliminated? How are the goods destined for Singapore going to be delivered? Or transported to warehouses? Guess where all the container trucks will converged on to collect the containers?
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
Didn't you tell us all ports will be consolidated in Tuas?
Didn't you tell us that shipping vessels produced the worst pollution that is really really very bad for health?
No container trucks and lorries how to move the cargoes unloaded at Tuas port to destination and how to move cargoes to Tuas port for shipping? You think PSA got magic or you are senile?
So all ships gathering around Tuas and off the West Coast, all container trucks and lorries gathering around Tuas port and moving through Jurong and West Coast, so Jurong and West Coast will be badly affected by all these pollution from the ships, container trucks and lorries! :doh:
Smokes from ships?
this is where they are, where their engine still burning the bunker fuels as the approach or departs the ports.
As for containers trucks, the purpose of Tuas port is to eliminate them consolidate.
However the same cannot be said about airport actually because they are going to double the capacity.
http://travel-tips.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/singapore-marina-bay-sands-hotel-ocean-view.jpg
Dont pray pray with Tuas port ok.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Good evening. I am pleased to join you for the unveiling of Pasir Panjang Terminal Phases 3 and 4 (PPT Phases 3 & 4). This is another milestone in the expansion of our port.
The Port of Singapore - Cornerstone of Economy and Maritime Singapore
2. The port has always played a key role in Singapore’s and the region’s growth and development, beginning with our early days as a small entrepot trading post some 200 years ago. Today, our port remains a pillar of the domestic and regional economies, providing critical connectivity to global markets for the manufacturing sectors, and bringing in a wide range of goods needed by the economy and population.
3. The port has also been a cornerstone of Singapore’s development as an International Maritime Centre. It has spawned the growth of port services such as bunkering and ship repairs, and attracted a wide range of ancillary service providers in areas such as ship management, ship brokering, ship finance and maritime law.
4. It is a key node on the trade routes between East and West. To maintain Singapore’s attractiveness as a global hub port, we must continue to invest in port infrastructure ahead of demand and ensure that our port remains highly efficient and competitive. This is why despite the current uncertainties in the shipping market, we have upgraded our Port Operations Control Centres, deepened the approaches to our port, and are expanding our container terminals.
PPT Phases 3 & 4 – Positioning the Port for Future Growth
5. In 2004, we made the decision to develop Phases 3 and 4 of Pasir Panjang Terminal to meet future growth in container volume. About 85% of the land reclamation for these two phases has been completed and we are on track to complete the remaining works by 2014.
6. PSA Singapore Terminals has begun to take ownership of the land at PPT Phases 3 and 4 in stages. I note that PSA will spend some S$3.5 billion in best-in-class infrastructure and the latest port technology. For instance, there will be an automated container yard and unmanned rail-mounted gantry cranes that will be supported by intelligent systems. These features will enable PPT Phases 3 and 4 to serve the next generation of container ships, increase productivity and also promote environmental sustainability in our port operations.
7. The first berths at PPT Phase 3 are expected to be operational in 2014. When fully completed with 15 berths by 2020, PPT Phases 3 and 4 will increase total port capacity by about 50% to 50 million TEUs. This will strengthen Singapore’s position as the world’s largest transhipment hub.
Beyond PPT – Port Consolidation
8. Shipping will continue to be the lifeblood of Singapore’s economy far into the future. We therefore take a very long-term view of the Singapore Port and its growth. As some of you are aware, the port leases for the City Terminals at Tanjong Pagar, Keppel and Pulau Brani will expire in 2027. With this in mind, we have studied the feasibility of building a consolidated port as recommended by the Economic Strategies Committee.
9. I am pleased to announce that we will work towards consolidating all our container port activities at Tuas over the long term. Tuas provides a suitable location because of its sheltered deep waters and proximity to both our major industrial areas and international shipping routes. We will plan for Tuas Port to be able to handle upto 65 million TEUs per annum. This, we believe, will offer sufficient capacity for Singapore to meet the longer term demands as a global hub port.
10. Consolidating our port in one location will enable us to achieve greater efficiency and economies of scale. Currently, we have five container terminals – Brani, Keppel, Tanjong Pagar, Pasir Panjang Terminal 1 and Pasir Panjang Terminal 2. To support transhipment operations, there is often a need to move containers between these terminals by trucks. This adds to the time taken and business costs for port operations, as well as congestion on our roads. Consolidation will eliminate this need for inter-terminal haulage.
11. The new port will also provide us a clean slate and the opportunity to introduce even more advanced technology and processes to meet future challenges. Our new port must be able to handle future generations of container ships that are likely to be even larger and more complex than the ships today. We might need to cater to a growing fleet of ships that are powered by LNG and other alternative fuels. Also, given our land and manpower constraints, we have to strive for even greater efficiency and productivity. In this regard, MPA and PSA jointly launched the Port Technology Research and Development Program in April last year. The programme is studying automated container port systems, optimization techniques and technologies, and green port technologies, among others. We will be able to deploy some of the outcomes of these projects at Tuas Port.
12. Consolidation at Tuas will also free up prime land, which our City Terminals and Pasir Panjang Terminal are currently occupying, for re-development.
13. The development of Tuas Port will be a long-term project that takes place in phases. We expect the first set of berths at Tuas to be operational in about 10 years’ time. As with the expansion of Pasir Panjang Terminal, we will develop Tuas Port in a sustainable manner and take all necessary steps to address any environmental impact. More information on Tuas Port will be released in due course when the details are finalised.
Conclusion
14. With the expanded Pasir Panjang Terminal coming on stream and the longer-term development of Tuas Port, the Port of Singapore is well positioned to serve the needs of our shipping industry and to support the continued growth of Maritime Singapore and the region well into the future.
15. I congratulate PSA on this happy occasion, and look forward to the successful completion of PPT Phases 3 and 4.
16. Thank you and have a pleasant evening.
"Consolidation at Tuas will also free up prime land, which our City Terminals and Pasir Panjang Terminal are currently occupying, for re-development."
Basically it means
Land value of city/pasir panjang port terminal - cost of relocation > land value of Jurong/Tuas
So mathematically,
Land value of city/pasir panjang port terminal > land value of Jurong/Tuas + cost of relocation
So it proves that land value of RCR > Jurong/Tuas land value
"Consolidation at Tuas will also free up prime land, which our City Terminals and Pasir Panjang Terminal are currently occupying, for re-development."
Basically it means
Land value of city/pasir panjang port terminal - cost of relocation > land value of Jurong/Tuas
So mathematically,
Land value of city/pasir panjang port terminal > land value of Jurong/Tuas + cost of relocation
So it proves that land value of RCR > Jurong/Tuas land value
It actually mean that western region is very big, so when you want to talk about jurong, you need to be more specific which part of Jurong or west you are talking about.
Jurong Lake District, being the commercial center of the west, will become the core center of the western region, so long as our government continues to attract foreign investment into Tuas industrial estate, there is no reason why JLD will loses its competitive edge.
Anyway, the southern coastal city will not be available till 15 years from now and considering the size, it will take another 15 to 20 years to developed, by then many people in this forum would have already kick the bucket, what there to talk.
If you keen, perhaps you can start investing long southern coast line loh.
Funny why someone didn't highlight this in the article
We will plan for Tuas Port to be able to handle upto 65 million TEUs per annum
Someone is naïve enough to think that eliminating inter-terminal transport will negate the need for container trucks completely.
How are containers going to be transported outside of the port to other destinations within Singapore? Get ready for the tsunami of trucks converging on Tuas
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
In case you think that all the fleet of ships in the world are going to operate on clean fuel. Think again. Article below provided by TS sheds more light on the issue.
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html
Here's an excerpt from it
For decades, the IMO has rebuffed calls to clean up ship pollution. As a result, while it has long since been illegal to belch black, sulphur-laden smoke from power-station chimneys or lorry exhausts, shipping has kept its licence to pollute.
For 31 years, the IMO has operated a policy agreed by the 169 governments that make up the organisation which allows most ships to burn bunker fuel.
Christian Eyde Moller, boss of the DK shipping company in Rotterdam, recently described this as ‘just waste oil, basically what is left over after all the cleaner fuels have been extracted from crude oil. It’s tar, the same as asphalt. It’s the cheapest and dirtiest fuel in the world’.
Bunker fuel is also thick with sulphur. IMO rules allow ships to burn fuel containing up to 4.5 per cent sulphur. That is 4,500 times more than is allowed in car fuel in the European Union. The sulphur comes out of ship funnels as tiny particles, and it is these that get deep into lungs.
Thanks to the IMO’s rules, the largest ships can each emit as much as 5,000 tons of sulphur in a year – the same as 50million typical cars, each emitting an average of 100 grams of sulphur a year.
With an estimated 800million cars driving around the planet, that means 16 super-ships can emit as much sulphur as the world fleet of cars.
A year ago, the IMO belatedly decided to clean up its act. It said shipping fuel should not contain more than 3.5 per cent sulphur by 2012 and eventually must come down to 0.5 per cent. This lower figure could halve the deaths, says Corbett.
It should not be hard to do. There is no reason ship engines cannot run on clean fuel, like cars. But, away from a handful of low-sulphur zones, including the English Channel and North Sea, the IMO gave shipping lines a staggering 12 years to make the switch. And, even then, it will depend on a final ‘feasibility review’ in 2018.
In the meantime, according to Corbett’s figures, nearly one million more people will die.
Smoke and sulphur are not the only threats from ships’ funnels. Every year they are also belching out almost one billion tons of carbon dioxide. Ships are as big a contributor to global warming as aircraft – but have had much less attention from environmentalists.
Both international shipping and aviation are exempt from the Kyoto Protocol rules on cutting carbon emissions. But green pressure is having its effect on airlines. Ahead of next month’s Copenhagen climate talks, airlines have promised to cut emissions by 50 per cent by 2050.
But shipping companies are keeping their heads down. A meeting of the IMO in July threw out proposals from the British Chamber of Shipping, among others, to set up a carbon-trading scheme to encourage emissions reductions.
Amazingly, they pleaded poverty. Two-thirds of the world’s ships are registered in developing countries such as Panama. These are just flags of convenience, to evade tougher rules on safety and pay for sailors.
But at the IMO, governments successfully argued that ships from developing countries should not have to cut carbon emissions. IMO secretary-general Efthimios Mitropoulos insisted: ‘We are heavily and consistently engaged in the fight to protect and preserve our environment.’ Yet without limits, carbon emissions from shipping could triple by 2050.
Get ready for a whole lot more of what is happening below :
http://cargonewsasia.com/eCargonewsAsia/photo/2010-01-18/image/pic2010-01-18i21669p4396.jpg
It actually mean that western region is very big, so when you want to talk about jurong, you need to be more specific which part of Jurong or west you are talking about.
Jurong Lake District, being the commercial center of the west, will become the core center of the western region, so long as our government continues to attract foreign investment into Tuas industrial estate, there is no reason why JLD will loses its competitive edge.
Anyway, the southern coastal city will not be available till 15 years from now and considering the size, it will take another 15 to 20 years to developed, by then many people in this forum would have already kick the bucket, what there to talk.
If you keen, perhaps you can start investing long southern coast line loh.
Thanks for reminding me the opportunity cost of idle land in next 15 years, so mathematically,
Land value of city/pasir panjang port terminal > land value of Jurong/Tuas + cost of relocation + opportunity cost of keeping Tuas land idle for next 15years + reclamation cost of Tuas land
The above relationship has taken into account of discounting future value to present value, so there is no need to talk about projections of next 15-30years.
JLD is in the vicinity of Tuas/Jurong, so JLD land value is more closely linked to Jurong/Tuas than to CCR/RCR
By virtue of lower land value of Tuas compared to RCR land value, the economic output for Tuas < economic output of RCR land on per sq feet basis. You can draw the conclusion of how residential land would be like.
Obviously someone doesnt know that most of the ships callling to Singapore port are here for transhipment so when our singapore ports are consolidated at Tuas, there are practically no need for transhipment cargo to leave the port facilities and there will be no need for haulage within the port itself either.
Having said that, of course we are still going to see some incoming and outgoing containers on Singapore road, but that will be a fraction of what we are seeing today. So how can this be bad news right?
Actually the bad news of course will be those people living along the coast line. When PSA capacity double, that will mean more ships will be sailing to Singapore and they will sure to pass by our southern coast line where they will release huge amount of bunker (dirty fuel) fumes into the atmosphere just a few kilometer from the coastline. From the pic I posted you can already see how many mega vessel are passing our coast line everyday for 24/7/365.
And to make matter worst, Changi airport will also be double its capacity, so east region are going to get the double whammy of bunker and jet fuel fumes, 24/7/365
Thanks for reminding me the opportunity cost of idle land in next 15 years, so mathematically,
Land value of city/pasir panjang port terminal > land value of Jurong/Tuas + cost of relocation + opportunity cost of keeping Tuas land idle for next 15years + reclamation cost of Tuas land
The above relationship has taken into account of discounting future value to present value, so there is no need to talk about projections of next 15-30years.
JLD is in the vicinity of Tuas/Jurong, so JLD land value is more closely linked to Jurong/Tuas than to CCR/RCR
By virtue of lower land value of Tuas compared to RCR land value, the economic output for Tuas < economic output of RCR land on per sq feet basis. You can draw the conclusion of how residential land would be like.
It actually mean that western region is very big, so when you want to talk about jurong, you need to be more specific which part of Jurong or west you are talking about.
Jurong Lake District, being the commercial center of the west, will become the core center of the western region, so long as our government continues to attract foreign investment into Tuas industrial estate, there is no reason why JLD will loses its competitive edge.
Anyway, the southern coastal city will not be available till 15 years from now and considering the size, it will take another 15 to 20 years to developed, by then many people in this forum would have already kick the bucket, what there to talk.
If you keen, perhaps you can start investing long southern coast line loh.
As far as economic output is concern, Western region and CBD have always been the largest employment center of Singapore and it will continue to be the case for many years to come. AFAIK the pharmaceutical sector is a big component of Singapore GDP, and majority of the productions are located in the west. So you tell me, West or RCR has got higher economic value? When PSA move to Tuas, it will take away thousand of jobs from CCR and RCR to west and this should further boost the economic value of the land in the west. And without western, many RCR dweller will be out of jobs.
As far as infrastructure is concern, western region will also get a major boost because of CRL and Jurong Region Line an this can only bring values to the west.
Ultimately its will be stupid to say that Orchard land is more expensive than jurong because investors are only keen to know how much the value will growth over time, and over time doesnt mean 15 to 20 years.
Obviously someone doesnt know that most of the ships callling to Singapore port are here for transhipment so when our singapore ports are consolidated at Tuas, there are practically no need for transhipment cargo to leave the port facilities and there will be no need for haulage within the port itself either.
Having said that, of course we are still going to see some incoming and outgoing containers on Singapore road, but that will be a fraction of what we are seeing today. So how can this be bad news right?
Actually the bad news of course will be those people living along the coast line. When PSA capacity double, that will mean more ships will be sailing to Singapore and they will sure to pass by our southern coast line where they will release huge amount of bunker (dirty fuel) fumes into the atmosphere just a few kilometer from the coastline. From the pic I posted you can already see how many mega vessel are passing our coast line everyday for 24/7/365.
And to make matter worst, Changi airport will also be double its capacity, so east region are going to get the double whammy of bunker and jet fuel fumes, 24/7/365
From PSA website
http://www.singaporepsa.com/transhipment.php
quote
"About 85 per cent of the containers that arrive in Singapore are transhipped to another port. " unquote
Let's see.
15% of 65 million TEUs = 9.75million per year = 26.7K TEUs per day.
Tuas is going to see around 27K container trucks entering and leaving the port EVERY DAY.
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
Can you tell readers which is worst?
A car whizzing by you momentarily or one idling near your house for a few hours?
http://cargonewsasia.com/eCargonewsAsia/photo/2010-01-18/image/pic2010-01-18i21669p4396.jpg
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html
Quote from article above which one forumer has so kindly provided:
Both international shipping and aviation are exempt from the Kyoto Protocol rules on cutting carbon emissions. But green pressure is having its effect on airlines. Ahead of next month’s Copenhagen climate talks, airlines have promised to cut emissions by 50 per cent by 2050.
But shipping companies are keeping their heads down
Go West, Where the growth is at
Go West, Plenty of tenant there
Go West, Better dont miss the boat
Go West, That's the promise land.
I think he's finally gone crazy.
Nice rhymes btw... Not often one gets to see such , erm...... "talent"
Its not the hotel plot or any of the recent GLS plot. ..
It the plot next to Jcube, library, and hdb shop house block 135
Its Pedestrian Mall as per URA masterplan. See the video, 1.55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8On6SuCTyc
This is URA tender.
Proposed Pedestrian Mall With Single Storey Pavilion On Lot 08549M PT & 08545K PT MK05 At Jurong Gateway (Jurong East Planning Area)
Someone had to dig for a post (#2627 (http://forums.condosingapore.com/showpost.php?p=438283&postcount=2627)) as far back as 3 days old to reply to just to cover up his mistake of highlighting to all readers here the dangers of shipping pollution which is going to descend upon Tuas
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html
Around 27K container trucks per day will be converging on Tuas once the new container port is operational and running at full capacity
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
Not to mentioned the fumes from the all the vessels loading and unloading. It takes a couple of hours just for one vessel to unload. Maritime authority reports there are about 1000 vessels at our ports at any one time.
http://cargonewsasia.com/eCargonewsAsia/photo/2010-01-18/image/pic2010-01-18i21669p4396.jpg
I was told the sea view along east coast will take your breath away...forever if you breath much polluted air coming out from the shipping vessel.
Just imaging 1000 of such vessels passing through our coast line every 24 hours.
Last i check, the shipping route along east coast is around 2.5km from coast line, whereas the Tuas port is around 16km from JLD.
16km??? thats about the same distant from Tanjong Pagar PSA port to Changi and Punggol.
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Doesnt look like jurong to me.
Here is another one.
http://static.flickr.com/100/305614575_e2848a42ba_o.jpg
http://www.h88.com.sg/images/content/guides/hdb/sea.JPG
You still haven't answered my questions
1. Why is there no smoke from any of the ships in your pictures?
2. Can you tell readers here which is worse - a ship sailing past you or one idling within close proximity of your neighbourhood for a couple of hours or more?
3. Where do you think all those vessels in your pictures will be congregating in about 10 years time when all the existing ports have been consolidated in Tuas?
Get ready ! Below is going to materialize in about 10 years...
Around 27K container trucks per day will be converging on Tuas once the new container port is operational and running at full capacity
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
Not to mentioned the fumes from the all the vessels loading and unloading. It takes a couple of hours just for one vessel to unload. Maritime authority reports there are about 1000 vessels at our ports at any one time.
http://cargonewsasia.com/eCargonewsAsia/photo/2010-01-18/image/pic2010-01-18i21669p4396.jpg
All this has been made possible due to the kind contribution of the forumer below:
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html
I was told the sea view along east coast will take your breath away. "forever" if you breath much polluted air coming out from the shipping vessel.
Last i check, the shipping route along east coast is around 2.5km from coast line, whereas the Tuas port is around 16km from JLD.
16km??? thats about the same distant from Tanjong Pagar PSA port to Changi and Punggol.
That mean, people living around East Coast, must be getting a lot of toxic pollutant in their lungs because they are within 16km from sea port and 2.5km from shipping route.
I was told the sea view along east coast will take your breath away. "forever" if you breath much polluted air coming out from the shipping vessel.
Last i check, the shipping route along east coast is around 2.5km from coast line, whereas the Tuas port is around 16km from JLD.
16km??? thats about the same distant from Tanjong Pagar PSA port to Changi and Punggol.
That mean, people living around East Coast, must be getting a lot of toxic pollutant in their lungs because they are within 16km from sea port and 2.5km from shipping route.
You still haven't answered my questions (especially qn 2 in bold)
1. Why is there no smoke from any of the ships in your pictures?
2. Can you tell readers here which is worse - a ship sailing past you or one idling within close proximity of your neighbourhood for a couple of hours or more?
3. Where do you think all those vessels in your pictures will be congregating in about 10 years time when all the existing ports have been consolidated in Tuas?
4. Didn't someone mention that monsoon winds can reach up to 70km/h? That means fumes from all the ships idling in Tuas port (1000 or more at any one time) can reach JLD in less than 15mins during monsoon season.
According to NEA during monsoon period, wind speed can rise to around 70km/h
Get ready ! Below is going to materialize in about 10 years...
Around 27,000 container trucks per day will be converging on Tuas once the new container port is operational and running at full capacity
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
Not to mentioned the fumes from the all the vessels loading and unloading. It takes a couple of hours just for one vessel to unload. Maritime authority reports there are about 1000 vessels at our ports at any one time.
http://cargonewsasia.com/eCargonewsAsia/photo/2010-01-18/image/pic2010-01-18i21669p4396.jpg
All this has been made possible due to the kind contribution of the forumer below:
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html
Fast Fact
1) There are more shipping vessel around the southern coast line than the port at any one time.
2) Proximity of the shipping channel to our southern coast line is around 3km, while distant between Tuas port to Jurong Lake District is around 16km
3km vs. 16km
3) Shipping vessel traveling on high sea release more toxic gas to the atmosphere as compare to one that is docked at the port because ship at port only run auxiliary engine and in future, this might totally be eliminated by using port side electricity supply.
4) At the moment, Singapore port are scattered around Tanjang Pagar, Brani, Pasir Panjang and West Coast and majority of the cargo that comes to Singapore are for trans-shipment only, ie, it just move from one vessel to the other. To facilitate trans-shipment, trailers are use to transport containers between ports. When ports consolidate at Tuas, there will be no need for containers to leave the port hence ELIMINATE the need for trailers for trans-shipment, and this will drastically cut down the no. of trailers that is prowling out road.
So dont let the troll who admitted that he is NOT a air pollution expert corrupt you with all nonsense.
Fast Fact
1) There are more shipping vessel around the southern coast line than the port at any one time.
2) Proximity of the shipping channel to our southern coast line is around 3km, while distant between Tuas port to Jurong Lake District is around 16km
3km vs. 16km
3) Shipping vessel traveling on high sea release more toxic gas to the atmosphere as compare to one that is docked at the port because ship at port only run auxiliary engine and in future, this might totally be eliminated by using port side electricity supply.
4) At the moment, Singapore port are scattered around Tanjang Pagar, Brani, Pasir Panjang and West Coast and majority of the cargo that comes to Singapore are for trans-shipment only, ie, it just move from one vessel to the other. To facilitate trans-shipment, trailers are use to transport containers between ports. When ports consolidate at Tuas, there will be no need for containers to leave the port hence ELIMINATE the need for trailers for trans-shipment, and this will drastically cut down the no. of trailers that is prowling out road.
So dont let the troll who admitted that he is NOT a air pollution expert corrupt you with all nonsense.
Fact?
Please back up your statement (1) with evidence
As for (2) , please answer my question (2) in bold below
Nice of you to continually bring this topic up so that I can post the FACTS here instead of the conjecture fabricated in quote above.
I count way less than 1000 vessels in your pictures which is the no. of vessels at our ports at any one time as provided by Maritime Authority
As for (4), do you dispute the fact below?
From PSA website
http://www.singaporepsa.com/transhipment.php
quote
"About 85 per cent of the containers that arrive in Singapore are transhipped to another port. " unquote
Let's see.
15% of 65 million TEUs = 9.75million per year = 26.7K TEUs per day.
Tuas is going to see around 27K container trucks entering and leaving the port EVERY DAY.
You still haven't answered my questions (especially qn 2 in bold)
1. Why is there no smoke from any of the ships in your pictures?
2. Can you tell readers here which is worse - a ship sailing past you or one idling within close proximity of your neighbourhood for a couple of hours or more?
3. Where do you think all those vessels in your pictures will be congregating in about 10 years time when all the existing ports have been consolidated in Tuas?
4. Didn't someone mention that monsoon winds can reach up to 70km/h? That means fumes from all the ships idling in Tuas port (1000 or more at any one time) can reach JLD in less than 15mins during monsoon season.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo33 http://forums.condosingapore.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?p=438095#post438095)
According to NEA during monsoon period, wind speed can rise to around 70km/h
Get ready ! Below is going to materialize in about 10 years...
Around 27,000 container trucks per day will be converging on Tuas once the new container port is operational and running at full capacity
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
Not to mentioned the fumes from the all the vessels loading and unloading. It takes a couple of hours just for one vessel to unload. Maritime authority reports there are about 1000 vessels at our ports at any one time.
http://cargonewsasia.com/eCargonewsAsia/photo/2010-01-18/image/pic2010-01-18i21669p4396.jpg
All this has been made possible due to the kind contribution of the forumer below:
How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html
Now even World Health Organisation needs to come out and remind all countries that air pollution from heavy industries (like those on Jurong Island) can cause cancer and all countries have to be careful of the way they manage it.
We are all glad that the ports are moving to Jurong to combine with the refineries, incinerators, heavy industries.
A air pollution subsidy should be given to all those staying in Jurong.
DKSG
If anyone wishes to dispute what I said, then its their responsibility to dispute with facts instead of asking so many nonsensical question.
Fast Fact
1) There are more shipping vessel around the southern coast line than the port at any one time.
2) Proximity of the shipping channel to our southern coast line is around 3km, while distant between Tuas port to Jurong Lake District is around 16km
3km vs. 16km
3) Shipping vessel traveling on high sea release more toxic gas to the atmosphere as compare to one that is docked at the port because ship at port only run auxiliary engine and in future, this might totally be eliminated by using port side electricity supply.
4) At the moment, Singapore port are scattered around Tanjang Pagar, Brani, Pasir Panjang and West Coast and majority of the cargo that comes to Singapore are for trans-shipment only, ie, it just move from one vessel to the other. To facilitate trans-shipment, trailers are use to transport containers between ports. When ports consolidate at Tuas, there will be no need for containers to leave the port hence ELIMINATE the need for trailers for trans-shipment, and this will drastically cut down the no. of trailers that is prowling out road.
So dont let the troll who admitted that he is NOT a air pollution expert corrupt you with all nonsense.
huh? i am not asking you abt DKSG. i am informing you only about how overcommitted DKSG is to his stand.
well, u are saying R33 is overcommitted to Jurong/JLD, i am saying DKSG is overcommitted to being right.
If you have nothing property to comment, why not spend a bit more time visiting showflats to gain a bit more experience ?
I am just sharing that the Sky Vue sales is overwhelming by today's standards. Selling 80% over 1-2 weekends is the main message.
You need to nitpick like that ?
You been to Tembusu ? What price they sold ? How many units ?
How about Thomson Three ? What price they sold ?
Post things like that la!
Recently noted that Freehold City Square Residences studio is also selling for $1,7xx psf !
Freehold City Square Residences vs Jurong 99LH MM both going for same price - which will an investor buy ?
DKSG
If you have nothing property to comment, why not spend a bit more time visiting showflats to gain a bit more experience ?
I am just sharing that the Sky Vue sales is overwhelming by today's standards. Selling 80% over 1-2 weekends is the main message.
You need to nitpick like that ?
You been to Tembusu ? What price they sold ? How many units ?
How about Thomson Three ? What price they sold ?
Post things like that la!
Recently noted that Freehold City Square Residences studio is also selling for $1,7xx psf !
Freehold City Square Residences vs Jurong 99LH MM both going for same price - which will an investor buy ?
DKSG
opinions and facts are 2 different things.
again you are trying to squirm ur way out by saying 80% sold is the main message.
SV launched on Saturday. Monday you said over 500+ units sold in SV, despite a few forummers posting newspaper article stating 4xx sold. Instead you boast of your showflat experience, saying developer underreport sales for certain reasons or certain cutoff period etc.
the figure of 500+ sold you quoted are figures. Easily verifiable. which URA data have proven you to be speaker of "untruth".
qn1) or Does your showflat experience tell you that developer is misreporting the sales to URA?
qn2) or Does your showflat experience tell you that reporting period for september sales is 30 august - 29 september?
Facts vs opinions
when u say CSR studio transacted at 17xx psf. it is a fact. can be verified True or False
when u say JG MM transacted at 17xx psf. it is a fact.
if & when u say CSR studio more valuable than JG MM for the same psf & quantum, that is an opinion & forummers can argue about it.
facts are facts. no 2 ways about. We can argue interpretation of the facts, like why SV sales are 4xx only over the weekend. But please never misrepresent the actual figure itself, like saying 4xx to be 500+ sold.
please do learn how to differentiate between facts and opinions..
and try not to boast too often of your showflat experience, which seems to have let you down this occasion spectacularly.
You are referring to below article?
Now even World Health Organisation needs to come out and remind all countries that air pollution from heavy industries (like those on Jurong Island) can cause cancer and all countries have to be careful of the way they manage it.
We are all glad that the ports are moving to Jurong to combine with the refineries, incinerators, heavy industries.
A air pollution subsidy should be given to all those staying in Jurong.
DKSG
Air pollution causes cancer, WHO agency confirms
LONDON – What many commuters choking on smog have long suspected has finally been scientifically validated: Air pollution causes lung cancer.
17 OCTOBER
LONDON – What many commuters choking on smog have long suspected has finally been scientifically validated: Air pollution causes lung cancer.
The International Agency for Research on Cancer declared today (Oct 17) that air pollution is a carcinogen, alongside known dangers such as asbestos, tobacco and ultraviolet radiation. The decision came after a consultation by an expert panel organized by IARC, the cancer agency of the World Health Organisation, which is based in Lyon, France.
“We consider this to be the most important environmental carcinogen, more so than passive smoking,” said Mr Kurt Straif, head of the IARC department that evaluates cancer-causing substances.
IARC has previously deemed some of the components in air pollution such as diesel fumes to be carcinogens, but this is the first time it has classified air pollution in its entirety as cancer causing.
The risk to the individual is low, but Mr Straif said the main sources of pollution are widespread, including transportation, power plants, and industrial and agricultural emissions.
“These are difficult things for the individual to avoid,” he said, observing the worrying dark clouds from nearby factories that he could see from his office window in Lyon. “When I walk on a street where there’s heavy pollution from diesel exhaust, I try to go a bit further away,” he said. “So that’s something you can do.”
The fact that nearly everyone on the planet is exposed to outdoor pollution could prompt governments and other agencies to adopt stricter controls on spewing fumes. Mr Straif noted that WHO and the European Commission are reviewing their recommended limits on air pollution.
Previously, pollution had been found to boost the chances of heart and respiratory diseases. The expert panel’s classification was made after scientists analysed more than 1,000 studies worldwide and concluded there was enough evidence that exposure to outdoor air pollution causes lung cancer. In 2010, IARC said there were more than 220,000 lung cancer deaths worldwide connected to air pollution. The agency also noted a link with a slightly higher risk of bladder cancer.
Mr Straif said there were dramatic differences in air quality between cities around the world and that the most polluted metropolises were in China and India, where people frequently don masks on streets to protect themselves.
“This is something governments and environmental agencies need to take care of,” Mr Straif said. “People can certainly contribute by doing things like not driving a big diesel car, but this needs much wider policies by national and international authorities.”
Other experts emphasised the cancer risk from pollution for the average person was very low – but virtually unavoidable.“You can choose not to drink or not to smoke, but you can’t control whether or not you’re exposed to air pollution,” said Prof Francesca Dominici, a professor of biostatics at Harvard University’s School of Public Health. “You can’t just decide not to breathe,” she said. Prof Dominici was not connected to the IARC expert panel.
A person’s risk for cancer depends on numerous variables, including genetics, exposure to dangerous substances and lifestyle choices regarding issues such as drinking alcohol, smoking and exercising.Prof Dominici said scientists are still trying to figure out which bits of pollution are the most lethal and called for a more targeted approach.“The level of ambient pollution in the US is much, much lower than it used to be, but we still find evidence of cancer and birth defects,” she said. “The question is: How are we going to clean the air even further?” AP
If anyone wishes to dispute what I said, then its their responsibility to dispute with facts instead of asking so many nonsensical question.
The facts are clear and at least I have backing to support my statements.
1. There are at least 1000 vessels at our ports at any point in time ( maritime authority). These ships will all be converging on tuas when the ports are consolidated there.
2. PM' speech says new container port can handle upto 65m TEUs pa. Based on PSA transhipment stats (source-psa website) 85% are for transhipment which means 15% are for domestic delivery which means at least 27000 container trucks will be converging on Tuas everydaywhen the port is operational. Think of the congestion and pollution from these trucks.
3. It takes a couple of hours to unload containers (wiki) and probably more if there is loading too. Think of all the fumes generated whilst they navigate to the berth and wait for loading/unloading.
4. Based on nea info, prevailing wind direction is SW and NE during monsoon seasonand wind speeds can reach upto 70km/h. Fumes from all the vessels can reach jld in less than 15mins during SW monsoon.
Now even World Health Organisation needs to come out and remind all countries that air pollution from heavy industries (like those on Jurong Island) can cause cancer and all countries have to be careful of the way they manage it.
We are all glad that the ports are moving to Jurong to combine with the refineries, incinerators, heavy industries.
A air pollution subsidy should be given to all those staying in Jurong.
DKSG
WHO does talk about pollution from shipping liner, plane, road transportation as well. So if you wishes to talk about WHO concern on air pollution, then you should talk about it in totality instead of cherry picking.
Plus many of WHO concern are talking about pollution that covers large area that are many times the size of Singapore, so if you wish to talk about pollution in Jurong, then you should also include all other part of tiny Singapore as well unless you can PROOF people living in west die younger have a higher rate of lung cancer etc.
Again prata man, why bother to get involve in a subject which you know you are not familiar with right?
The facts are clear and at least I have backing to support my statements.
1. There are at least 1000 vessels at our ports at any point in time ( maritime authority). These ships will all be converging on tuas when the ports are consolidated there.
2. PM' speech says new container port can handle upto 65m TEUs pa. Based on PSA transhipment stats (source-psa website) 85% are for transhipment which means 15% are for domestic delivery which means at least 27000 container trucks will be converging on Tuas everydaywhen the port is operational. Think of the congestion and pollution from these trucks.
3. It takes a couple of hours to unload containers (wiki) and probably more if there is loading too. Think of all the fumes generated whilst they navigate to the berth and wait for loading/unloading.
4. Based on nea info, prevailing wind direction is SW and NE during monsoon seasonand wind speeds can reach upto 70km/h. Fumes from all the vessels can reach jld in less than 15mins during SW monsoon.
You think we dont have eyes to see when we go east coast park, or use google earth satellite picture see where the vessels are lining up before the berth at the port. And dont you know that when vessel are moving they burn more fuel than they berth at port?
Are you not aware the 1 40ft container is equal to 2 TEU, and trailer do often carried 2 20ft container in one go. So dont you think that you numbers are incorrect. Plus when we double out port capacity, how sure are you that our export or import volume will double, so what is your basis in your calculation.
Based on NEA, there are many months in between monsoon that has winds that blow in variable directions. And consider the distant, JLD is about 16km from Tuas sea port, which is much further than distant between Tanjong Pagar port to East Coast. So have any of your family died of respiratory diseases as a result of living in the East?
Since you already admitted you are not the export in air pollution, why do you want to waste time trying?
You think we dont have eyes to see when we go east coast park, or use google earth satellite picture see where the vessels are lining up before the berth at the port. And dont you know that when vessel are moving they burn more fuel than they berth at port?
Are you not aware the 1 40ft container is equal to 2 TEU, and trailer do often carried 2 20ft container in one go. So dont you think that you numbers are incorrect. Plus when we double out port capacity, how sure are you that our export or import volume will double, so what is your basis in your calculation.
Based on NEA, there are many months in between monsoon that has winds that blow in variable directions. And consider the distant, JLD is about 16km from Tuas sea port, which is much further than distant between Tanjong Pagar port to East Coast. So have any of your family died of respiratory diseases as a result of living in the East?
Since you already admitted you are not the export in air pollution, why do you want to waste time trying?
So based on your eyes, how many ships do you count in your pictures and how many of them have smoke spewing from their funnels?
Does your photos show you the future? Where will all these ships be berthed when all the ports are relocated to Tuas. Do you think they will still wait around East Coast? Is the govt going to implement a huge sign at East Coast with their number to be called and they make their way to Tuas?
Mine is based on facts
FACT 1
From MPA
http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/maritime_singapore/what_is_maritime_singapore/other_facts_you_may_not_know.page (http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/maritime_singapore/what_is_maritime_singapore/other_facts_you_may_not_know.page)
At any one time, there are about 1,000 vessels in the Singapore port.
Every 2-3 minutes, a ship arrives or leaves SingaporeFrom PSA website
Quote:"On a typical day, 60 vessels of different sizes call at our port. Although a high number of them arrive out of schedule, our berth planning system allows most of them to be berthed on arrival" unquote
Ships hardly linger long enough at the same spot to crowd the shoreline. Where they will be staying (1000 at any point in time) for an extended period of time (a couple of hours at least) will be at the ports unloading/unloading and their main/aux engines will be spewing smoke for the entire duration they are there. Not counting the time taken (with main engines on) to taxi into the container berth.
FACT 2
Our Minister of transport has already mentioned in his speed plans to increase the new port's capacity to 65 mil TEUs
The main storage used is still the twenty footers although there are some forty footers in use.
Let's humour you and assume NO growth and ALL containers are forty footers.
Current no. of TEUs handled in Singapore in 2012 - 31.26m p.a
Assuming 85% are transhipment - this means 15 % or 4.69mil are for domestic which means 12,850 TEUS need to be transported per day.
Assuming all are forty footers means there will be 6,425 trucks converging on Tuas every day or about 270 trucks EVERY HOUR. What's worse is that these trucks will be hauling superlong 40 footers!!!
NOTE : This is assuming NO growth in container throughput and every shipping line switched to forty footers which is highly unlikely.
FACT 3
I forgot you failed in elementary wind direction.
PLUS bringing people's family into discussion again...such a loser.
Just take a look at picture. Most of the prevailing winds for SW monsoon are either South or South westerly (black arrows). JLD is right in the direct path. Marine parade and East Coast veer much further east and hence is not affected (see orange arrow).
Whatever the case, ALL will change in 10 years time when the consolidation of ports to Tuas begins. That is a fact you cannot deny.
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/Winddirection_zps9fb556f3.jpg
Beautiful lake right in the heart of JLD.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-euAWVIRqmfg/UEgPm_Tl1ZI/AAAAAAAAAVE/YaN5m5BLC0A/s640/Chinese_Garden-Pagoda_Twins.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3576/3518291528_bca4e648bf_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5115/7001476666_842f9c2118_b.jpg
http://www.singaporepsa.com/flowthroughgate.php
"It handles an average traffic flow of 700 trucks per peak hour, and 8,000 trucks per day"
not as many 27k right?
some of the figures quoted by psa, mpa regarding no of ships, capacity doesnt seem to match.
like above eg.
your computation is correct, yet from psa site above, only 8000 trucks per day.
i think a unique truck entering the port 100 times considered as psa gate processing 100 trucks right? and not considered as 1 truck.
Wonder how much fumes are coming out from those vessels surrounding our coast line.
http://static.flickr.com/100/305614575_e2848a42ba_o.jpg
http://www.h88.com.sg/images/content/guides/hdb/sea.JPG
http://jeffry.ghazally.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/20101028-121834.jpg
http://travel-tips.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/singapore-marina-bay-sands-hotel-ocean-view.jpg
http://eunicechen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Penthouse-view.png
http://www.imo.org/blast/mainframe.asp?topic_id=233
http://www.singaporepsa.com/flowthroughgate.php
"It handles an average traffic flow of 700 trucks per peak hour, and 8,000 trucks per day"
not as many 27k right?
some of the figures quoted by psa, mpa regarding no of ships, capacity doesnt seem to match.
like above eg.
your computation is correct, yet from psa site above, only 8000 trucks per day.
i think a unique truck entering the port 100 times considered as psa gate processing 100 trucks right? and not considered as 1 truck.
You are assuming no growth in 10 years time ?
WOW...8000 trucks a day. I was being conservative then in my computations above in #2698 whereby I ended up with only about 6K+.
Instead of these trucks being spread out amongst the various terminals. Imagine them ALL converging on Tuas. Good luck with the congestion and pollution !!!
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2010/1115/gb_apec_1115.jpg
Can't counter my post below so resort to posting pictures instead? No wonder you failed elementary wind direction.
So based on your eyes, how many ships do you count in your pictures and how many of them have smoke spewing from their funnels?
Does your photos show you the future? Where will all these ships be berthed when all the ports are relocated to Tuas. Do you think they will still wait around East Coast? Is the govt going to implement a huge sign at East Coast with their number to be called and they make their way to Tuas?
Mine is based on facts
FACT 1
From MPA
http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/maritime_singapore/what_is_maritime_singapore/other_facts_you_may_not_know.page (http://www.mpa.gov.sg/sites/maritime_singapore/what_is_maritime_singapore/other_facts_you_may_not_know.page)
At any one time, there are about 1,000 vessels in the Singapore port.
Every 2-3 minutes, a ship arrives or leaves SingaporeFrom PSA website
Quote:"On a typical day, 60 vessels of different sizes call at our port. Although a high number of them arrive out of schedule, our berth planning system allows most of them to be berthed on arrival" unquote
Ships hardly linger long enough at the same spot to crowd the shoreline. Where they will be staying (1000 at any point in time) for an extended period of time (a couple of hours at least) will be at the ports unloading/unloading and their main/aux engines will be spewing smoke for the entire duration they are there. Not counting the time taken (with main engines on) to taxi into the container berth.
FACT 2
Our Minister of transport has already mentioned in his speed plans to increase the new port's capacity to 65 mil TEUs
The main storage used is still the twenty footers although there are some forty footers in use.
Let's humour you and assume NO growth and ALL containers are forty footers.
Current no. of TEUs handled in Singapore in 2012 - 31.26m p.a
Assuming 85% are transhipment - this means 15 % or 4.69mil are for domestic which means 12,850 TEUS need to be transported per day.
Assuming all are forty footers means there will be 6,425 trucks converging on Tuas every day or about 270 trucks EVERY HOUR. What's worse is that these trucks will be hauling superlong 40 footers!!!
NOTE : This is assuming NO growth in container throughput and every shipping line switched to forty footers which is highly unlikely.
FACT 3
I forgot you failed in elementary wind direction.
PLUS bringing people's family into discussion again...such a loser.
Just take a look at picture. Most of the prevailing winds for SW monsoon are either South or South westerly (black arrows). JLD is right in the direct path. Marine parade and East Coast veer much further east and hence is not affected (see orange arrow).
Whatever the case, ALL will change in 10 years time when the consolidation of ports to Tuas begins. That is a fact you cannot deny.
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b566/proper-t/Winddirection_zps9fb556f3.jpg
By the time PSA move to Tuas, all trailers should be running on Euro V diesel engine emission standards. So in the mean time, those living in CCR and East better enjoy the fumes while it last.
http://app2.nea.gov.sg/docs/default-source/corporate/cos-2013/factsheet-on-singapore-air-quality.pdf?sfvrsn=2
Anyone wishes to count the number of vessel in those photos? And this is not a snap shot of traffic jam, this is what you get along east coast on a daily basis.
Wonder how much fumes are coming out from those vessels surrounding our coast line.
http://static.flickr.com/100/305614575_e2848a42ba_o.jpg
http://www.h88.com.sg/images/content/guides/hdb/sea.JPG
http://jeffry.ghazally.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/20101028-121834.jpg
http://travel-tips.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/singapore-marina-bay-sands-hotel-ocean-view.jpg
http://eunicechen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Penthouse-view.png
Air pollutant emissions from maritime transport can be transported over long distances and thus increasingly contribute to air quality problems in the EU
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/transport/ships.htm
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/archives/cafe/pdf/ia_report_en050921_final.pdf
So the entire Singapore will be an issue????
the pollution thing is all but a joke.... If any of you are so scared of pollution, please wear a mask.....
If u all have a heart for the Singaporeans who will be staying at Jurong, please highlight to the relevant authorities....
If u guys are so caring for your lives... Please approach someone who smokes and tell them to stop smoking as it affects u.... Please do not eat in coffee shop as the coffee shop has smoking area and th smoke will get in your eyes as u do not know how far this smoke can move and the direction of the wind....
If u really care for the west folks, please do something about it instead of "pretending" to be martyrs.....
Because i find it so hypocritical and it makes my hair stand.....
This is pure politics:banghead::banghead::banghead:
This thread looks like republican vs democrats on us debt ceiling... HAHAHAHAHAHA
View from Costa Del Sol...can you imagine how much fumes are being blown towards those living along east coast.
Call Jackie if you think the picture has been photoshop. :D
http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/e/2/4/1/e241a432416625_1_V550.jpg
And Alvin too
http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/5/6/6/9/56691537580987_1_V550.jpg
If it is an issue for entire Singapore, then Singapore govt would have acted, just like the haze. Precisely because it may not be an issue for entire Singapore, so it will be left alone. Singapore govt always talk about cost-benefits, when the costs are too much and outweight benefits, then it is not in the interest of Singapore to do much.
And if maritime transport pollution is a problem, then live far from the seaside loh! The further you are, the less effect it will have on you.
And we know very well that refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants, because of their static nature, and they operate 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, the pollution will be much much worst than maritime transport pollution. Hence, the solution is to live far away from these sources, if die die they have to live in Singapore right? We all have brain to think that the further you are from these sources, the less effect it will have on you!
People just have to use their own brains to think and take the necessary actions for their own good. Don't expect govt to come to their aid for every little thing, just like they invest in mini-bonds and stocks and expect govt to bail them out when their investments bombed out and exploded? :rolleyes:
Air pollutant emissions from maritime transport can be transported over long distances and thus increasingly contribute to air quality problems in the EU
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/transport/ships.htm
http://ec.europa.eu/environment/archives/cafe/pdf/ia_report_en050921_final.pdf
So the entire Singapore will be an issue????
the pollution thing is all but a joke.... If any of you are so scared of pollution, please wear a mask.....
If u all have a heart for the Singaporeans who will be staying at Jurong, please highlight to the relevant authorities....
If u guys are so caring for your lives... Please approach someone who smokes and tell them to stop smoking as it affects u.... Please do not eat in coffee shop as the coffee shop has smoking area and th smoke will get in your eyes as u do not know how far this smoke can move and the direction of the wind....
If u really care for the west folks, please do something about it instead of "pretending" to be martyrs.....
Because i find it so hypocritical and it makes my hair stand.....
This is pure politics:banghead::banghead::banghead:
This thread looks like republican vs democrats on us debt ceiling... HAHAHAHAHAHA
Life is not just about winning.
Have a good weekend dinner with your love ones. You will find it more rewarding than wasting precious time here. The hazards is not the fumes but untrollable urge to win an illusive debate. Cheers!
puffer_fish
19-10-13, 18:47
Life is not just about winning.
Have a good weekend dinner with your love ones. You will find it more rewarding than wasting precious time here. The hazards is not the fumes but untrollable urge to win an illusive debate. Cheers!
one of the best I have read:cheers1::cheers1::cheers1:
The fumes hazard are real, not ilusive, backed by many years of scientific studies.
There is an even worst hazard: moral hazard - by people trying to discredit the importance of these studies & trying to mislead others into believing that the fumes hazard doesn't exist at all even if you live beside these fumes source.
It is important to raise awareness to these fumes hazard. Is safety Measures a waste of time?
Life is not just about winning.
Have a good weekend dinner with your love ones. You will find it more rewarding than wasting precious time here. The hazards is not the fumes but untrollable urge to win an illusive debate. Cheers!
The fumes hazard are real, not ilusive, backed by many years of scientific studies.
There is an even worst hazard: moral hazard - by people trying to discredit the importance of these studies & trying to mislead others into believing that the fumes hazard doesn't exist at all even if you live beside these fumes source.
It is important to raise awareness to these fumes hazard. Is safety Measures a waste of time?
U keep saying it is real and yet u warn but don't even share with NEA????
U say there are facts and u ask people to find on their own....
U say it is moral hazard but u refuse to share facts and ask people to find on their own????
Please share facts if not it is still an illusion....
Your statement is as good as saying the govt is aware of this but not sharing with the public in the west... Very dangerous assumption... Note, I did not use the word accusation.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If u really have moral conscience, do share with the relevant authorities your findings... Put it on the straits time forum if you strongly believe in it....
If not it is still PURE SPECULATION.....
No hard feeling....:cheers1::cheers1:
The fumes hazard are real, not ilusive, backed by many years of scientific studies.
There is an even worst hazard: moral hazard - by people trying to discredit the importance of these studies & trying to mislead others into believing that the fumes hazard doesn't exist at all even if you live beside these fumes source.
It is important to raise awareness to these fumes hazard. Is safety Measures a waste of time?
This is call stir shi t....:D
There are some people who like to see 2 parties fight
Patrickstar
20-10-13, 11:18
I have been reading this thread quite a bit before making my first post. I think pollution in jurong is undeniable, so I do not understand why some people are so adamant about defending the air quality there.
U keep saying it is real and yet u warn but don't even share with NEA????
U say there are facts and u ask people to find on their own....
U say it is moral hazard but u refuse to share facts and ask people to find on their own????
Please share facts if not it is still an illusion....
Your statement is as good as saying the govt is aware of this but not sharing with the public in the west... Very dangerous assumption... Note, I did not use the word accusation.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If u really have moral conscience, do share with the relevant authorities your findings... Put it on the straits time forum if you strongly believe in it....
If not it is still PURE SPECULATION.....
No hard feeling....:cheers1::cheers1:
This is the best one that I have read in this thread...:cheers5::!
I have been reading this thread quite a bit before making my first post. I think pollution in jurong is undeniable, so I do not understand why some people are so adamant about defending the air quality there.
you just sign up a new account and you straight zoom into pollution?
Its undeniable that living east coast, north coast are polluted too.
U keep saying it is real and yet u warn but don't even share with NEA????
U say there are facts and u ask people to find on their own....
U say it is moral hazard but u refuse to share facts and ask people to find on their own????
Please share facts if not it is still an illusion....
Your statement is as good as saying the govt is aware of this but not sharing with the public in the west... Very dangerous assumption... Note, I did not use the word accusation.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If u really have moral conscience, do share with the relevant authorities your findings... Put it on the straits time forum if you strongly believe in it....
If not it is still PURE SPECULATION.....
No hard feeling....:cheers1::cheers1:
People have shared... as recently as Aug this year...
From Reach website
http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/DiscussionForum/tabid/101/mode/3/Default.aspx?ssFormAction=%5B%5BssBlogThread_VIEW%5D%5D&tid=%5B%5B13305%5D%5D
Is there harmful air pollution in Jurong?
13 Aug 2013, 12.30AM
8 comments & replies (http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/DiscussionForum/tabid/101/mode/3/Default.aspx?ssFormAction=%5B%5BssBlogThread_VIEW%5D%5D&tid=%5B%5B13305%5D%5D#comment) |by Guest | Air, Sea and Land, My Habitat (http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/DiscussionForum/tabid/101/cid/9/Default.aspx?ssFormAction=[[ssBlogThread_LISTING]])
Last night at about 6 pm, as I and my son walk passed the coffee shop at Blk 965 Jurong West. We witnessed 3 dead pigeons on the floor in front of the coffee shop. When went were on our way back, we saw 1 dead sparrow there too, but someone has cleared the pigeons. First thing that hits my mind is, did any of the chemical plant discharged hazardous chemical gas at Jurong?
What else can killed those birds. Not one or two, but four birds.
Can the NEA please verify? I am just concern how this supposed air pollution will harm my family as we are staying here?
Here is the site
http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/DiscussionForum/tabid/101/mode/3/Default.aspx?ssFormAction=%5B%5BssBlogThread_VIEW%5D%5D&tid=%5B%5B13305%5D%5D
So based on the site, u did not put NEA's respond.... U passed judgement like this????
People have shared... as recently as Aug this year...
From Reach website
http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/DiscussionForum/tabid/101/mode/3/Default.aspx?ssFormAction=%5B%5BssBlogThread_VIEW%5D%5D&tid=%5B%5B13305%5D%5D
Is there harmful air pollution in Jurong?
13 Aug 2013, 12.30AM
8 comments & replies (http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/DiscussionForum/tabid/101/mode/3/Default.aspx?ssFormAction=%5B%5BssBlogThread_VIEW%5D%5D&tid=%5B%5B13305%5D%5D#comment) |by Guest | Air, Sea and Land, My Habitat (http://www.reach.gov.sg/YourSay/DiscussionForum/tabid/101/cid/9/Default.aspx?ssFormAction=[[ssBlogThread_LISTING]])
Last night at about 6 pm, as I and my son walk passed the coffee shop at Blk 965 Jurong West. We witnessed 3 dead pigeons on the floor in front of the coffee shop. When went were on our way back, we saw 1 dead sparrow there too, but someone has cleared the pigeons. First thing that hits my mind is, did any of the chemical plant discharged hazardous chemical gas at Jurong?
What else can killed those birds. Not one or two, but four birds.
Can the NEA please verify? I am just concern how this supposed air pollution will harm my family as we are staying here?
MND, 2 stat boards moving to Jurong Gateway by 2015
The Ministry of National Development (MND) and two of its statutory boards will be moving to a brand new mixed-use development at Jurong Gateway by 2015.
Future plans for MND Complex at Maxwell Road, where these agencies are now headquartered, will be decided later.
National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan mentioned the relocation in Parliament yesterday, as he talked about the remaking of Singapore.
MND, the Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority and the Building and Construction Authority will become the anchor tenant at a development by Lend Lease "to catalyse the growth of Jurong Lake District", he said.
Australia's Lend Lease won the tender for the 99-year leasehold white site at Jurong Gateway last year. The site is in the Jurong Lake District, which the government has earmarked as a new regional hub.
MND has signed a 30-year lease to take up 29,300 sq m of office space. This makes up around 27 per cent of the development's maximum gross floor area of 107,098 sq m.
According to the ministry, this is the first time a government agency is committing to a long-term lease with a private developer at its development project.
Wah, you trying to intimate heehee? He said he is retiree... Old man/woman has weak heart you know?
You keep asking for facts, many of us already posted so many facts, backed by EPA, such as the one below, I repost again. Don't know why you never see? You like 9?.?FM advert, only hear what you want to hear, only read what you want to read?
What is NEA compared to EPA hah? You mean SG govt more big shot than US govt? SG NEA more capable and big shot than US EPA? I got no eye to see, no ear to hear................ :rolleyes:
Since you so eager to let NEA know, why not you highlight to NEA all those posts we posted here, especially the report from US EPA?
Why not ask NEA to conduct thorough investigations on 150 chemicals in houses within 10km of those refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, etc just like EPA did? You keep saying want to be good citizen, so we leave this honour to you loh! We don't bother to be those "good citizen" that you mentioned......... :p
U keep saying it is real and yet u warn but don't even share with NEA????
U say there are facts and u ask people to find on their own....
U say it is moral hazard but u refuse to share facts and ask people to find on their own????
Please share facts if not it is still an illusion....
Your statement is as good as saying the govt is aware of this but not sharing with the public in the west... Very dangerous assumption... Note, I did not use the word accusation.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If u really have moral conscience, do share with the relevant authorities your findings... Put it on the straits time forum if you strongly believe in it....
If not it is still PURE SPECULATION.....
No hard feeling....:cheers1::cheers1:
The fumes hazard are real, not ilusive, backed by many years of scientific studies.
There is an even worst hazard: moral hazard - by people trying to discredit the importance of these studies & trying to mislead others into believing that the fumes hazard doesn't exist at all even if you live beside these fumes source.
It is important to raise awareness to these fumes hazard. Is safety Measures a waste of time?
Repost here for archival because very important to remember... :tsk-tsk:
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Oil Refinery Toxics Found in Air of Nearby Homes! omg omg!! How about the below? Better watch out what toxic gases are flowing into your JGateway within 7 km of all these refineries / incinerators / power generation plants etc!
You think our NEA has as much will, resources, and capability to conduct research that are as thorough and as deep and as complex as those in USA? :tongue3:
Their Researchers tested samples of indoor and outdoor air for over 150 chemicals.
Don't know NEA can and willing to test for just 100 chemicals for homes within 10km of those refineries or not? :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo33 http://forums.condosingapore.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?p=437477#post437477)
Will it be ok if I quote what you said to NEA and ask them to response to your comments about people living in Jurong having higher risk of cancer?
Oil Refinery Toxics Found in Air of Nearby Homes
March 29, 2010
Test Results Released as EPA Considers Addressing Refinery Pollution
Chevron Urges Court to Allow Expansion of a Refinery
Toxics from a Chevron oil refinery were found in the indoor air of homes in Richmond, California, according to a peer-reviewed study in American Journal of Public Health. The results are being released as the EPA considers measures to reduce pollution from refineries nationwide, and as Chevron is appealing a court decision barring the expansion of one of the nation’s largest refineries in Richmond, California.
Researchers tested samples of indoor and outdoor air for over 150 chemicals in 40 homes in Richmond, California (low-income, predominantly minority neighborhoods bordering a Chevron oil refinery, marine shipping corridors and other polluters), and 10 homes in Bolinas, CA (a non-industrial comparison community). The air indoors, where Americans spend 90 percent of their time, was more polluted than the air outdoors in both communities, with 104 toxics detected inside Richmond homes and 69 in Bolinas.
This study marks the first time that indoor air was tested to fingerprint pollutants from oil refineries and shipping corridors. “We found that living near an oil refinery adds exposures that may be hazardous to your health,” said Julia Brody, PhD, lead author of the study and Executive Director of Silent Spring Institute. “Toxic pollution from oil refineries doesn’t stay outside; it seeps into homes, where people spend most of their time. We hope that federal regulators and the courts will take our findings into consideration as they address air pollution from refineries nationwide.”
Air in Richmond homes had more chemicals present and at higher concentrations than in Bolinas. Fine particulates (PM2.5) were found at concentrations above California’s annual ambient air quality standard in nearly half of Richmond homes even though the residents were nonsmokers. Particulates are considered an aggregate measure of air pollution. Health studies have linked them to respiratory and cardiovascular problems, including premature death.
Levels of vanadium and nickel in Richmond were among the highest in the state, implicating heavy oil combustion from the nearby refinery and marine port. These compounds indicate the presence in homes of hundreds of unmeasured pollutants from the refinery.
Richmond, in Contra Costa County, has high cancer and respiratory risks associated with industrial air toxics. The county’s 15% asthma prevalence rate is among the state’s highest.
“There are a lot of people in this community, a lot of people with cancer. A lot of people with asthma, the children have a high incidence of asthma here,” said one Richmond study participant.
The Richmond Chevron refinery is one of the nation’s largest, covering 2,900 acres and processing over 240,000 barrels of crude oil a day into gasoline, jet fuel, diesel, and lubricants. Communities for a Better Environment has voiced concerns about air pollution from flaring (venting and uncontrolled burning of gaseous emissions in routine operations and emergencies) and has sued to block Chevron’s requested permit changes to replace and add equipment that reportedly would increase emissions of sulfur dioxide, sulfates, and metals by refining lower grade crude oil with higher sulfur content.
“Richmond residents living by Chevron’s oil refinery are already worried about health risks from air pollution. Now is the time to reduce pollution by making a green transition, rather then lock in dirtier crude refining that could exacerbate health issues and climate change,” said Jessica Tovar, a community organizer with Communities for a Better Environment.
The California State Court of Appeal has not yet ruled on Chevron’s appeal of a July 2009 court decision that put the Chevron permit changes on hold in response to a lawsuit brought by CBE and other community organizations. The court ruled that the Environmental Impact Report supported by Chevron and approved by the City of Richmond was illegal because it did not disclose whether the project will allow Chevron to process dirtier oil or address the cumulative pollution burden on Richmond residents.
The study was conducted by Silent Spring Institute, the University of California, Berkeley, Brown University, and Communities for a Better Environment (an environmental justice organization). The California Department of Public Health, Commonweal, Breast Cancer Fund, and Breast Cancer Action contributed information to the study.
I will never report lar. HAHAHAHAHAHA & hehehehehe
U know he keep saying he care for people so I pushing him lightly to do what his heart is telling him/her.... To have a moral conscience.....
The report does not state the distance in which the fume can travel???? The height of the chimneys from ships are low so you need to know the distance before the particles drop??? You look at the chimney from industry, again need to know distance before particles drop...
As for the honor to me... I am not so pious.... U guys/gals are e ones who keep stating and very kan cheong leh.... Why u all so kan cheong???? Moral conscience or what??? If u let me know it is moral conscience , than do something about it. If u say u want to whack the west, than I will keep shut... HAHAHAHAHAHA and just watch lor..... After all it is jut for drama rite???? But not pretence of moral comscience leh...HAHAHAHAHAHA
But if u mention moral conscience, than I feel this individual should do something instead of going against his/her conscience... HAHAHAHAHAHA
I have accepted the fact that pollution will have effects on the human being, so does canned food, processed food, smoking, etc... But to what effects, is any bodies guess... Look at Mao ????
Cheers
:cheers1::ashamed1::cheers1:
Wah, you trying to intimate heehee? He said he is retiree... Old man/woman has weak heart you know?
You keep asking for facts, many of us already posted so many facts, backed by EPA, such as the one below, I repost again. Don't know why you never see? You like 9?.?FM advert, only hear what you want to hear, only read what you want to read?
What is NEA compared to EPA hah? You mean SG govt more big shot than US govt? SG NEA more capable and big shot than US EPA? I got no eye to see, no ear to hear................ :rolleyes:
Since you so eager to let NEA know, why not you highlight to NEA all those posts we posted here, especially the report from US EPA?
Why not ask NEA to conduct thorough investigations on 150 chemicals in houses within 10km of those refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, etc just like EPA did? You keep saying want to be good citizen, so we leave this honour to you loh! We don't bother to be those "good citizen" that you mentioned......... :p
Allthepies
20-10-13, 16:32
Houses along major road and expressway suffers from air and noise pollution, not just ulu west...
Houses near airbases, changi airport, plane flight path suffer from noise pollution, not just ulu west...
Houses near industrial zones in Singapore, including paya lebar, hougang, eunos, woodlands suffer from air pollution, not just ulu west...
Areas with least forested area and most densely built which include east, CBD area suffer from air quality, not just ulu west...
Conclusion, u can hardly find a place in Singapore with good air quality and minimal pollution...
If u want real good quality air, u can consider places like Australia...
Correction: In any country, within that country, there is alway places which has most pollution, like those near the refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants etc in & near Jurong / Jurong Island / Tuas, vs other areas which are far away and hence least affected by these massive polluters. No other place in Singapore does all the heavy industries congregate, except Jurong area. In Jurong area will have another first - All ports will be consolidated there! It wil be another place where ships, container trucks, lorries will congregate as well. Triple whammy! How can the air there be of same cleanliness vs other places in Singapore? :o
So saying that every where in Singapore has same air pollution is just plainly clear that this is not true.
Houses along major road and expressway suffers from air and noise pollution, not just ulu west...
Houses near airbases, changi airport, plane flight path suffer from noise pollution, not just ulu west...
Houses near industrial zones in Singapore, including paya lebar, hougang, eunos, woodlands suffer from air pollution, not just ulu west...
Areas with least forested area and most densely built which include east, CBD area suffer from air quality, not just ulu west...
Conclusion, u can hardly find a place in Singapore with good air quality and minimal pollution...
If u want real good quality air, u can consider places like Australia...
We are a city state.... That's how small we are.....
http://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp
So now people got to think twice on going Malaysia to retire....
Correction: In any country, within that country, there is alway places which has most pollution, like those near the refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants etc in & near Jurong / Jurong Island / Tuas, vs other areas which are far away and hence least affected by these massive polluters. No other place in Singapore does all the heavy industries congregate, except Jurong area. In Jurong area will have another first - All ports will be consolidated there! It wil be another place where ships, container trucks, lorries will congregate as well. Triple whammy! How can the air there be of same cleanliness vs other places in Singapore? :o
So saying that every where in Singapore has same air pollution is just plainly clear that this is not true.
We are a city state.... That's how small we are.....
http://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp
So now people got to think twice on going Malaysia to retire....
Oops, please ignore my statement on Malaysia... If not this topic will spread like wildfire to the Malaysia thread.... Hahahahahah
Singapore may be small, but it doesn't mean that somebody who smoke in Jurong will affect those living in say Bishan although we know second hand smoke is very harmful to our health, never mind that Singapore is very small.
Similarly, all the smokes and fumes and toxic gases coming out of those heavy industries in Jurong will not have same effects on people living nearby in Jurong and say somebody living in Bishan.
I believe the above explanation is clear enough.
All those so called pollution index is good as a guide, but to be useful, they needs to be further break down into localities, especially measured in radius distance from the heavy polluters and the heavy industrial plants. Furthermore, these pollution index does not measure toxic gases, hence their usefulness are limited. If you still don't want accept US EPA report, please ask NEA to investigate the 150 chemicals that US EPA did.
We are a city state.... That's how small we are.....
http://www.numbeo.com/pollution/rankings_by_country.jsp
So now people got to think twice on going Malaysia to retire....
Bro/sis, no need to convince me lar... I not scared of pollution lar... I have seen worst when I travel...
Here is the killer list
http://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/statistics/Health_Facts_Singapore/Principal_Causes_of_Death.html
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Btw, I do not have moral conscience and I believe in moderation... We need to drink, eat and indulge in some sinful food... If anything, I will die from the love of good food... HAHAHAHAHAHA
Singapore may be small, but it doesn't mean that somebody who smoke in Jurong will affect those living in say Bishan although we know second hand smoke is very harmful to our health, never mind that Singapore is very small.
Similarly, all the smokes and fumes and toxic gases coming out of those heavy industries in Jurong will not have same effects on people living nearby in Jurong and say somebody living in Bishan.
I believe the above explanation is clear enough.
All those so called pollution index is good as a guide, but to be useful, they needs to be further break down into localities, especially measured in radius distance from the heavy polluters and the heavy industrial plants. Furthermore, these pollution index does not measure toxic gases, hence their usefulness are limited. If you still don't want accept US EPA report, please ask NEA to investigate the 150 chemicals that US EPA did.
proud owner
20-10-13, 17:50
why use US EPA report ? and not NEA's ?
different country/ different local/ different Laws ...
if can suka suka use another country's report.... then I can also argue that :
rapists are SICK .. they need to be treated ... not CANED ...
so how ?
can tell spore govt .. use USA's law ?
drug trafficking is death sentence in spore ... can argue and use other country's ?
Teddybear, told you so many time before, why waste time talking about the same stuff over and over again. :)
I read you have been talking about pollution in this forum for years and every time you keep repeating the same old thing which are not back by any scientific studies
If you are so passionate about the well being of people living, working studying in the west, may I suggest that you write a thesis about it and publish on your blog, or write to NEA as for explanation.
until then please stop polluting this forum, its very unhealthy to excite the troll unnecessarily.
How to use when NEA doesn't produce any such report? :doh:
Still, back to your argument, pollution and toxic gases are different from country laws.
Are you trying to tell us that pollution and toxic gases in US will have tremendous effect on American's health as found by US EPA but you expect Singapore NEA to be able to produce a report which says that same amount of same pollution and same toxic gases that occurred in US will have no effect on Singaporean's health?
Strange that you are asserting such statement which is as illogical as can be. Can't be more illogical! :hell-hath-no-fury:
Think you are barking up the wrong tree! :p
why use US EPA report ? and not NEA's ?
different country/ different local/ different Laws ...
if can suka suka use another country's report.... then I can also argue that :
rapists are SICK .. they need to be treated ... not CANED ...
so how ?
can tell spore govt .. use USA's law ?
drug trafficking is death sentence in spore ... can argue and use other country's ?
CCR region look just as polluted to me.
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/719/sxq8.jpg
proud owner
20-10-13, 18:02
How to use when NEA doesn't produce any such report? :doh:
Still, back to your argument, pollution and toxic gases are different from country laws.
Are you trying to tell us that pollution and toxic gases in US will have tremendous effect on American's health as found by US EPA but you expect Singapore NEA to be able to produce a report which says that same amount of same pollution and same toxic gases that occurred in US will have no effect on Singaporean's health?
Strange that you are asserting such statement which is as illogical as can be. Can't be more illogical! :hell-hath-no-fury:
Think you are barking up the wrong tree! :p
spore govt is the most Transparent ... are you saying they are hiding something by not using EPA report ?
spore govt is the most Transparent ... are you saying they are hiding something by not using EPA report ?
Wow, this could actually get Teddybear into trouble if someone report what he say to NEA.
proud owner
20-10-13, 18:04
the entire east coast road
so narrow .. so many cars ... buses , trucks ...etc ...
yet its almost entirely lined by eating places ...
how clean is that ?
should all the restaurants be moved to inner lanes ?
why people still go there and eat ?
they don't care or they don't know its very polluted ?
It is better not to do any report to confirm something that has already been proven, especially since the report was from a super authority, US EPA, which I doubt any country can over-rule, that is what I am trying to say. :D
spore govt is the most Transparent ... are you saying they are hiding something by not using EPA report ?
Teddybear, assuming that air coming from Tuas are toxic, I am just wondering what will happen to those toxic air after it pass by Jurong?
Do you have any report to show that air pollution from chemical plant only affect residents within say 15km radius?
Please kindly forward all posts here to NEA. Ringo, quick go! :D
Quick go to ask them to rebut US EPA report is false! I believe you are eagerly looking forward to that to discredit all reports that say fumes and toxic gases from refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants, incinerators etc are bad for health and cancer-causing! Ringo, quick go go go! :2cents:
Wow, this could actually get Teddybear into trouble if someone report what he say to NEA.
Think only those people who go there to eat can answer your question. :ashamed1:
Some people really don't care, but some people are probably really ignorant, and there are some people who are trying hard to defend something that had already been proven and even trying to discredit US EPA with misleading statements and outright lies............. :doh:
the entire east coast road
so narrow .. so many cars ... buses , trucks ...etc ...
yet its almost entirely lined by eating places ...
how clean is that ?
should all the restaurants be moved to inner lanes ?
why people still go there and eat ?
they don't care or they don't know its very polluted ?
Please go read the Northern Europe report that I posted previously about the distance. Keep asking the same thing for what when you can't even read what I already posted previously? :simmering:
Teddybear, assuming that air coming from Tuas are toxic, I am just wondering what will happen to those toxic air after it pass by Jurong?
Do you have any report to show that air pollution from chemical plant only affect residents within say 15km radius?
Please kindly forward all posts here to NEA. Ringo, quick go! :D
Quick go to ask them to rebut US EPA report is false! I believe you are eagerly looking forward to that to discredit all reports that say fumes and toxic gases from refineries, chemical manufacturing plants, power generation plants, incinerators etc are bad for health and cancer-causing! Ringo, quick go go go! :2cents:
I will not be so dumb to forward your nonsensical report to NEA, however what I could do is to report you to the authority for saying you are actively going around forum instilling fear among net citizen saying air quality in Jurong are toxic and not suitable for living.
For a government that has spend so much effort in building this country, I am sure they will take this report very seriously
Ha ha ha! Ringo, stop putting words into other people mouth! :hell-hath-no-fury:
If you think you can report to the authority with some lies from you and your attempt to put words into other people's mouth and malign others, please go ahead!
I would like to see how the authority will deal with people who lies and malign others to achieve their own personal objectives and agenda and still dare to make false report! ha ha ha! Please go and report! Otherwise, it just show what you said has no credibility! :doh:
I will not be so dumb to forward your nonsensical report to NEA, however what I could do is to report you to the authority for saying you are actively going around forum instilling fear among net citizen saying air quality in Jurong are toxic and not suitable for living.
For a government that has spend so much effort in building this country, I am sure they will take this report very seriously
Ha ha ha! Ringo, stop putting words into other people mouth! :hell-hath-no-fury:
If you think you can report to the authority with some lies from you and your attempt to put words into other people's mouth and malign others, please go ahead!
I would like to see how the authority will deal with people who lies and malign others to achieve their own personal objectives and agenda and still dare to make false report! ha ha ha! Please go and report! Otherwise, it just show what you said has no credibility! :doh:
What you have posted in the forum cannot be unpost. Of course you know that you are sprouting nonsense but that does mean the authority will read it that way.
Beware
Quick! Ringo, go go go! Go report my posts to authority! I am just quoting reports from US, Europe etc! So you are saying US EPA, Europe environment agency and all those scientists who conducted the research sprouting nonsense? :tsk-tsk:
You want the authority to support you to declare that US EPA, Europe environmental agency and all those scientists sprouting nonsense? Can, quick, go go go! Go report to authority! See whether they support you or not! :tongue3:
What you have posted in the forum cannot be unpost. Of course you know that you are sprouting nonsense but that does mean the authority will read it that way.
Beware
Quick! Ringo, go go go! Go report my posts to authority! I am just quoting reports from US, Europe etc! So you are saying US EPA, Europe environment agency and all those scientists who conducted the research sprouting nonsense? :tsk-tsk:
You want the authority to support you to declare that US EPA, Europe environmental agency and all those scientists sprouting nonsense? Can, quick, go go go! Go report to authority! See whether they support you or not! :tongue3:
There are so much nonsense you posted on this are you sure you have review everything you posted? Inckudibg your insensitive post on foreign workers ?
I thought that insensitive post was by people like you? You trying to put words into other people's mouth again after failing to do so about all those fumes and toxic gases? :rolleyes:
There are so much nonsense you posted on this are you sure you have review everything you posted? Inckudibg your insensitive post on foreign workers ?
What you have posted in the forum cannot be unpost......
Beware
Beware indeed....
200 folds? Want to lie or talk big also pick a more believable numbers lah.
Are you from CityHarvest?
Having said that, may I know why are you so eager to sell our FH land to NC? Self interest? Or are you hoping that your daughter will end up in a Ferrari driven by NC?
please leave my balls alone leh.:D
actually condo pool betters to see boobs, not balls.
Patrickstar
20-10-13, 20:20
I don't mean to ruffle feathers or anything but have been to jurong many times n not a single time had my nose been spared of industrial affluents. No doubt that we get pollution almost everywhere, but i believe it is not as intense as what jurong folks are experiencing. Of course i stand to be corrected if proven otherwise.
you just sign up a new account and you straight zoom into pollution?
Its undeniable that living east coast, north coast are polluted too.
I don't mean to ruffle feathers or anything but have been to jurong many times n not a single time had my nose been spared of industrial affluents. No doubt that we get pollution almost everywhere, but i believe it is not as intense as what jurong folks are experiencing. Of course i stand to be corrected if proven otherwise.
Actually I believe that living around east coast is worst because you are living so close to the fumes coming from the shipping vessel.
You can see that and perhaps smell that when you are along east coast beach. And worst part if that, emission from shipping vessel are not as well regulated as petrol chemical industry and powerplant, beside there are no scientific evidence to show that air quality in other region of Singapore is better and that people living in Jurong has shorter life expectancy.
So here you have a situation of your believe vs my believe.
Like I always said, until you can prove otherwise, if not then dont waste time fear mongering.
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