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taeyeon
18-06-13, 14:13
GLS tender closing today. Any guesses for D5 lovers?

mygeemeel
18-06-13, 15:34
GLS tender closing today. Any guesses for D5 lovers?

10% higher than trilinq.

taeyeon
18-06-13, 15:36
10% higher than trilinq.

Possible? this is much further away from MRT. Trilinq is already not very walkable to MRT

taeyeon
18-06-13, 15:48
simple distance measure

taeyeon
18-06-13, 18:18
ANKING NAME OF TENDERER
TENDERED
SALE
PRICE ($)
TENDERED
SALE PRICE
IN
$PSM OF
GFA
1 World Class Land Pte Ltd 156,688,000.00 7,399.32

Ringo33
18-06-13, 18:38
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/4766/h8yb.jpg

mygeemeel
18-06-13, 18:57
I don't have trilinq price. Am i correct that this new faber place is 10% higher? :D

Ringo33
18-06-13, 19:28
IOI bought that site at 554psf ppr.. For this new site, their breakeven will be 1050psf? selling at >1300psf??

mygeemeel
18-06-13, 19:30
IOI bought that site at 554psf ppr.. For this new site, their breakeven will be 1050psf? selling at >1300psf??

Just my guess lah. They mark up higher then give freebies and ice cream and photo taking with Spore stars. :D

Coolstuff
18-06-13, 20:33
simple distance measure

Too far from mrt!!

Allthepies
18-06-13, 20:49
Wow developer super bullish:D :D

Huat ah

Pro888
18-06-13, 20:59
I don't have trilinq price. Am i correct that this new faber place is 10% higher? :D

IOI $554 psf
World Class $687 psf

lionhill
18-06-13, 21:13
speechless.

wondering when IOI will launch its second batch of Trilinq.

Pro888
18-06-13, 21:28
IOI $554 psf
World Class $687 psf

Infact of the 18 bidders, 14 are hungrier than IOI :scared-1:

Kanarazu
18-06-13, 21:57
Why would be the selling points of this place? Tranquility ??

taeyeon
18-06-13, 22:10
Too far from mrt!!

Yet the bid is so high.

Low rise condo. World class land fav

Coolstuff
18-06-13, 22:10
Why would be the selling points of this place? Tranquility ??

It's not far off from the track, doubt can have tranquility. The worst location is near track but not near station.

taeyeon
18-06-13, 22:11
Why would be the selling points of this place? Tranquility ??

Nan hua 1km and 6.9mio white paper

taeyeon
18-06-13, 22:12
It's not far off from the track, doubt can have tranquility. The worst location is near track but not near station.

It is not that bad. Beside the sungei ulu Pandan connector.

But mrt is not in sight.

taeyeon
18-06-13, 22:13
Wow developer super bullish:D :D

Huat ah


West coast condos continue to HUAT and reach new highs!

taeyeon
18-06-13, 22:14
IOI $554 psf
World Class $687 psf

Why IOI launch trilinq at 1000psf more??!!

Isint that super markup?? Saw caveat 2 and 3 bedder are 1450-1550 psf

taeyeon
18-06-13, 22:16
IOI bought that site at 554psf ppr.. For this new site, their breakeven will be 1050psf? selling at >1300psf??

Faber walk site low rise condo = cheaper construction cost ?

How true?

Ringo33
18-06-13, 23:35
Faber walk site low rise condo = cheaper construction cost ?

How true?

The bulk of the cost is in the basement carpark. as long as there is a underground carpark, the cost should be about the same.

For this site, construction time will be shorter, so from cash flow point of view, it will be better for developer

taeyeon
18-06-13, 23:37
The bulk of the cost is in the basement carpark. as long as there is a underground carpark, the cost should be about the same.

For this site, construction time will be shorter, so from cash flow point of view, it will be better for developer

Oh but I thought build 5 storey high is cheaper than building 30 stores high like trilinq??

Ringo33
18-06-13, 23:41
Oh but I thought build 5 storey high is cheaper than building 30 stores high like trilinq??

material cost is the same. what is different is that developer will be able to TOP the project faster, hence receiving full payment earlier. But then again, it also depend on how the developers is going develop the project.

Kanarazu
19-06-13, 06:42
Nan hua 1km and 6.9mio white paper

I know the reason now why it's so hot. It's next to the MRT interchange between EW and CIL cross island line. Assuming a new station is created between Clementi and Jurong East. Go check out master plan and onemap and compare against the CIL blueprint. I estimate 270-450m walk to the station. Huat ah!

Ringo33
19-06-13, 08:24
1300psf?? Huat ah.


IN the most hotly contested government land sales since November last year, a 99-year leasehold residential site at Faber Walk drew 18 bids at the close of its tender yesterday.

Aspial Corp's World Class Land put in the top bid of $156.7 million, or $687.42 per square foot per plot ratio (psf ppr) for the site, which measures about 162,808 sq ft.

This was followed closely by Keng Hoe Development's bid of $155.0 million, or $680.01 psf ppr, and Greatview Development - controlled by Yu Zhisong - which put in a bid of $153.8 million, or $674.71 psf ppr.

That the price difference between the top bid and second and third highest bidders is a mere 1.1 per cent and 1.8 per cent, respectively, reflects the confidence and appetite of developers, say consultants.

Another factor is its fairly exclusive location, said Ong Teck Hui, national director, research and consultancy, at Jones Lang LaSalle. In addition, the five-storey height limit respects the urban design of the area so that the development will blend in with the surroundings.

"These attributes will be strong selling points for the project and should attract ready buyers," said Mr Ong.

"The close bidding among the top bidders shows roughly similar assessments on demand and pricing of the units which are likely to be above $1,200 psf on average," he added.

The fact that there is a limited supply of vacant land parcels within the area for development in the future could be another reason for the slim price gap between the top and second-highest bid, said SLP International's head of research, Nicholas Mak.

It is the smallest gap in a residential GLS tender since the tender for a condominium site at Pheng Geck Avenue which closed last June. In the latter's case, the price gap between the first and second bids was 0.9 per cent.

"The developer of this condominium site may be projecting a 10-20 per cent price increase in this location and plans to launch this project at $1,300 to $1,400 psf," said Mr Mak.

CBRE Research's associate director, Desmond Sim, noted that the increased working population from Jurong Gateway and International Business Park could lead to future leasing demand.

He expects a breakeven price of about $1,100 to $1,200 psf, which translates to a possible launch price from $1,350 psf.

In addition to working professionals, a new project on the subject site can draw on a potential upgrader pool of about 11,600 households who are currently staying in five-room and executive HDB flats in Clementi and Jurong East, according to the Population Census 2010. This was pointed out by Chia Siew Chuin, director of research and advisory at Colliers International.

"The estimated breakeven cost could range from $1,050 to $1,150 psf. When units at this project are ready for launch, the selling price could start from $1,300 psf," said Ms Chia.

The land tender also drew bids from several big players including a joint bid by Hoi Hup Realty, Sunway Developments and Hoi Hup JV Development ($610.92 psf ppr); Far East Organisation and Sekisui House ($547.42 psf ppr); and FCL Place ($580.11 psf ppr).

Vantage Properties put in the lowest bid, at $110.8 million, or $486.1 psf ppr.

taeyeon
19-06-13, 09:41
1300psf?? Huat ah.

any idea why trilinq land cost is 550+ psf yet sell for 1500psf?

and faber walk land cost is 680+ psf and ppl say will sell for 1300 psf?

taeyeon
19-06-13, 09:54
I know the reason now why it's so hot. It's next to the MRT interchange between EW and CIL cross island line. Assuming a new station is created between Clementi and Jurong East. Go check out master plan and onemap and compare against the CIL blueprint. I estimate 270-450m walk to the station. Huat ah!

mrt in such a private estate? i think more likely the station is nearer to pandan gardens?

Ringo33
19-06-13, 09:55
any idea why trilinq land cost is 550+ psf yet sell for 1500psf?

and faber walk land cost is 680+ psf and ppl say will sell for 1300 psf?


We are not sure how much world class will sell yet.

taeyeon
19-06-13, 09:59
We are not sure how much world class will sell yet.

if higher than trilinq, not too sure how it will sell.

lol

it is afterall not accesible

Ringo33
19-06-13, 10:19
if higher than trilinq, not too sure how it will sell.

lol

it is afterall not accesible


Name of the game is to wait for the heat fom JLD to spread.

lionhill
19-06-13, 10:21
The funniest ones are the reporter and the so called analyst. I remember when this site was announce several months back, the estimated bid price by the analyst (not sure who he was) was less than $400 ppr.

anywya, around $700 is beyond my expectation.

taeyeon
19-06-13, 10:21
Name of the game is to wait for the heat fom JLD to spread.

no matter how near it is to Jurong east, it is not like Jurong gateway. MRT at door step is abt 200psf more than something that is not?

taeyeon
19-06-13, 10:43
The funniest ones are the reporter and the so called analyst. I remember when this site was announce several months back, the estimated bid price by the analyst (not sure who he was) was less than $400 ppr.

anywya, around $700 is beyond my expectation.

680+ is really high. so bullish.

reflecting the sentiments of the mkt now.

it is even higher than the land MCL bought at lakeside in late jan -13

lionhill
19-06-13, 10:59
680+ is really high. so bullish.

reflecting the sentiments of the mkt now.

it is even higher than the land MCL bought at lakeside in late jan -13
from lakeside and this one, I prefer this one regardless of the distance from MRT.

Ringo33
19-06-13, 11:19
680+ is really high. so bullish.

reflecting the sentiments of the mkt now.

it is even higher than the land MCL bought at lakeside in late jan -13


Logically speaking the site and Faber Walk should be higher than jurong west because its nearer to Clementi.

The development at JLD really does wonders.

taeyeon
19-06-13, 11:44
Logically speaking the site and Faber Walk should be higher than jurong west because its nearer to Clementi.

The development at JLD really does wonders.

but it is not near clementi mrt?

while the lakeside plot iis near mrt.

ok la, but we are talking abt diff mrt stop haha

personally i think it will be quite tranquil at faber walk

lets see how it turns out 9 mths later when world class land launch the proj

taeyeon
19-06-13, 11:45
from lakeside and this one, I prefer this one regardless of the distance from MRT.

this is more exclusive in private enclave not so crowded.

Ringo33
19-06-13, 11:58
but it is not near clementi mrt?

while the lakeside plot iis near mrt.

ok la, but we are talking abt diff mrt stop haha

personally i think it will be quite tranquil at faber walk

lets see how it turns out 9 mths later when world class land launch the proj

The entire area is going through some major transformation at the moment, so it will be good for home owners there except maybe for some those landed properties at faber hill.

lionhill
19-06-13, 13:41
I think nowadays, the distance from MRT is overweighted to price the house value. To be frank, I seldom take MRT.

This morning just came back from city with daughter, I asked her: MRT or bus? MRT 15 minutes, bus 30 minutes. her answer was bus. as on bus she could comfortably sit, but in MRT, she could only stand in a pack of sardin all the way.

it seems I am not alone.

Only if there is convenient bus network, who really cares MRT? there is no MRT in Jn Bt Merah, it does not affect its value. In the past, there was no MRT in holland village, it was popular too.

mermaid
19-06-13, 14:51
any idea why trilinq land cost is 550+ psf yet sell for 1500psf?

and faber walk land cost is 680+ psf and ppl say will sell for 1300 psf?

it will be impossible for faber walk to sell at 1300psf. I think 1 bedder will be at least $1700psf!

mermaid
19-06-13, 14:54
I think nowadays, the distance from MRT is overweighted to price the house value. To be frank, I seldom take MRT.



precisely. a unit next to boon lay mrt is far more popular than a unit at TPY with a walking distance of 15mins. :doh:

I oso seldom take mrt, oni abt say 5-10% nia but den I wun consider units far from mrt too :tongue3:

Simi
19-06-13, 15:29
it will be impossible for faber walk to sell at 1300psf. I think 1 bedder will be at least $1700psf!

Why not

because of the distance from MRT ?


I think Faber Walk is a good location as JG is too vibrant for my liking and you can cycle either to Jurong East MRT and the future MRT (West Coast area, some said the plot of land next to Monterey Park Condo)

mermaid
19-06-13, 17:12
Why not

because of the distance from MRT ?


I think Faber Walk is a good location as JG is too vibrant for my liking and you can cycle either to Jurong East MRT and the future MRT (West Coast area, some said the plot of land next to Monterey Park Condo)

I meant impossible to be at $1300 cos too cheap leh ... u misread my comments? :hell-hath-no-fury:

Simi
19-06-13, 19:12
I meant impossible to be at $1300 cos too cheap leh ... u misread my comments? :hell-hath-no-fury:


My apology :ashamed1:

i like this place, Faber Walk

sunboy77
19-06-13, 19:28
any idea why trilinq land cost is 550+ psf yet sell for 1500psf?

and faber walk land cost is 680+ psf and ppl say will sell for 1300 psf?

Aiyo $680+ psf ppr is only the LAND cost.
Developer has other things to pay for:
Construction cost
Development charges
Financing costs
Legal costs
Marketing costs
Admin costs
etc...

Ringo33
19-06-13, 20:12
Aiyo $680+ psf ppr is only the LAND cost.
Developer has other things to pay for:
Construction cost
Development charges
Financing costs
Legal costs
Marketing costs
Admin costs
etc...

ballpark for mass market condo is around $350 to $400psf.

hyenergix
19-06-13, 20:22
Money is just getting smaller. Now a tiny 3 bedder that is 99LH is costing easily $1.2 mil onwards. Luckily I bought my properties earlier. Looking at recent land prices, next year's launches will be as expensive, if not more expensive, than this year.

newlaunchproperty
24-04-14, 13:10
Hi Everyone,

The long awaited launch is finally here soon!
I hope you find the below latest updates informative to you. Cheers. :)

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Waterfront@Faber (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/[email protected]) is a rare, low-rise, riverfront condominium, providing beautiful homes to the dwellers of Western Singapore, located at Faber Walk along the waterfront of Sungei Ulu Pandan, within an established residential landed estate. With expected completion in July 2018, it comprises tbc towers with 5-storeys, totalling 210 residential apartments/strata houses, mainly 2-bedroom to 4-bedroom Typical/Dual Key Apartments with High Ceiling Concept in most units.

Targeted Launch Timeline:
Showflat Sneak Preview: 1 - 14 May 2014 (Tentative. To be advised)
VVIP Booking: 17 May 2014 (To be confirmed)


Project Details:
Developer: World Class Land
Address: Faber Walk (TBC)
Tenure: 99 years
Type: Proposed Condominium Development of 7 blocks, 5-Storeys high of 199 Apartment plus 11 Strata Landed Houses
Site Area: Approx. 162,809.8 sqft
Total No. of Units: 210 Residential Units

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newlaunchproperty
03-05-14, 01:57
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District 84483535
05-05-14, 00:44
waterfront Faber video introduction
http://youtu.be/Ida2Met3FjU

omega
05-05-14, 15:55
any idea why trilinq land cost is 550+ psf yet sell for 1500psf?

and faber walk land cost is 680+ psf and ppl say will sell for 1300 psf?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5013/5478594713_1b94cc3f47.jpg

Kelonguni
05-05-14, 22:46
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5013/5478594713_1b94cc3f47.jpg

:p:p:p

Very funny...

Simi
06-05-14, 21:38
Really LIKE this place but what a pity


Indicative price

4 bedrooms from S$1,150psf ~ S$1,350psf

newlaunchproperty
09-05-14, 15:13
any idea why trilinq land cost is 550+ psf yet sell for 1500psf?

and faber walk land cost is 680+ psf and ppl say will sell for 1300 psf?

Hi taeyeon,

With World Class Land's strong finance backing "Aspial Group", they believe in giving its clients an affordable housing yet with good quality furnishing at a reasonable profit margin. From the latest announcement of the indicative pricing, we are launching at a very attractive psf from $1,100 to $1,350. Check our Waterfront@Faber (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/[email protected]) Homepage out for more details.

Last 4 days for our Showflat Preview and Registration till 13 May 2014 (Tues). Our showflat will close down on 14 to 16 May (Wed to Fri) to prepare for our VVIP Booking on 17 May 2014 (Sat).

Interested Home Upgraders and Investors, please contact our Developer Appointed Sales Team at 9789 8770 for showflat presentation today! Cheers.

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Kelonguni
11-05-14, 15:01
Really LIKE this place but what a pity


Indicative price

4 bedrooms from S$1,150psf ~ S$1,350psf

What is your basis for liking this place?

Simi
11-05-14, 21:16
What is your basis for liking this place?

Hi Kelong

like this place for its

1) Exclusiveness

2) Vacant Land opposite the river or Longkang (future development will benefit Waterfront, example Monterey Park benefitted from Infiniti, Carabelle and Botannia)

3) Close to International Business Park (believed there will be a connector linking there)

4) River or Longkang will be cleaned up

5) Running/Jogging track linking to Sunset Way

6) At least another 10years before development opposite the longkang
meaning another 10years of fresh morning air and bird chirpings in the morning


Why is a pity and a disappointment ?
Landscape lower than the Land at Faber Height (at least 20feet ?) similar to
Varsity Park

Kelonguni
11-05-14, 21:46
Hi Kelong

like this place for its

1) Exclusiveness

2) Vacant Land opposite the river or Longkang (future development will benefit Waterfront, example Monterey Park benefitted from Infiniti, Carabelle and Botannia)

3) Close to International Business Park (believed there will be a connector linking there)

4) River or Longkang will be cleaned up

5) Running/Jogging track linking to Sunset Way

6) At least another 10years before development opposite the longkang
meaning another 10years of fresh morning air and bird chirpings in the morning


Why is a pity and a disappointment ?
Landscape lower than the Land at Faber Height (at least 20feet ?) similar to
Varsity Park


Thanks for sharing. Can really appreciate serene places nowadays...

Simi
11-05-14, 22:01
Thanks for sharing. Can really appreciate serene places nowadays...

Was there last week after agent called
My wife likes the place too but we left disappointed

Kelonguni
11-05-14, 23:05
Was there last week after agent called
My wife likes the place too but we left disappointed

Why would lower landscape be a problem?

For me most important is lower maintenance. Cos won't be using facilities much.

Simi
11-05-14, 23:21
Why would lower landscape be a problem?

For me most important is lower maintenance. Cos won't be using facilities much.

Personal preference bah

probably on future dispute over water course and "feng shui" reason ?

I dun know but buying a property is a long term investment
so if can foresee a "future" problem, I avoid

Kelonguni
11-05-14, 23:24
Personal preference bah

probably on future dispute over water course and "feng shui" reason ?

I dun know but buying a property is a long term investment
so if can foresee a "future" problem, I avoid

I see... 20 feet is rather deep indeed.

Simi
11-05-14, 23:30
I see... 20 feet is rather deep indeed.

yes and what if basement car park ?

dun know because did not even go into the showroom after inspecting the
surrounding

sunboy77
17-05-14, 11:38
Heard it's a ghost town at balloting today.

Anyone can verify?

Nas
17-05-14, 13:36
It's not as full as Commonwealth Towers but sales should be reasonable. Averaging 1250+. Afterall, it's quite a niche place. Not everyone can accept.

sunboy77
17-05-14, 15:22
Sold 88 units today. Not bad!

henryhk
17-05-14, 16:03
Average price how much psf?

Antz621
18-05-14, 09:16
Heard it's a ghost town at balloting today.

Anyone can verify?

Was there at the balloting yesterday. The tentage is full. But this is why:


Tentage is small. Unlike most projects, developers will normally enlarge the tentage the day prior to the balloting. This project? Nope they did not do that and that tells you something
It was full also partly because agents were sitting to help customers "chompe" seats. I am one of those who benefited from this kind of "arrangement"
Many of those who are buying; are obviously and undoubtedly buying for own stay. So the whole kampong comes. Many times, I see Q number being called and a large family of 5 to 8 walked up to the counter with their agents
In today's market, many deals are closed by 2 or more agents working together. So the agents there almost matched the buyers 1 to 1. Carpark was already full when we reached; thinking the turnout was nothing short of spectacular. But I told my wife I'm willing to bet 30 to 50pct of the cars in the carpark belongs to agents. And I was right!
Buyers who submitted cheques but didn't turn up is about 30 to 40 pct of the total number of cheques collected. Not bad actually...
The balloting schedule had been postponed once with strata landed moved into yesterday morning's schedule instead of Friday night's slot. And that pushes the whole schedule for the day backwards. And when I received that message from the agent on Fri, I already know the response turnout will not be overwhelming or rather in HDB term; "Oversubscribed". But still, for a project with no amenities and neither near to any train station, achieving 40 over percent sold on the launch day in today's mkt is seriously bey pie liao ;)

Antz621
18-05-14, 09:23
It's not as full as Commonwealth Towers but sales should be reasonable. Averaging 1250+. Afterall, it's quite a niche place. Not everyone can accept.

Yes. I couldn't accept it either. We walked out empty handed after that. I pity my agent who has to serve us on 3 different days because we brought different family members back to view again and again. I lived in Clementi Ave 4 and I jogged along the track and past that site almost every other day. I love the extremely functional layout and I can accept everything including the location, lack of amenities and transportation woes.But what I cannot accept is the pricing. $1,250psf and a $1.3xxM price tag for a 3 bedder in such a site is unacceptable. I don't want to pay through my nose every month for this kind of quantum:tsk-tsk:

sunboy77
18-05-14, 10:55
Yes. I couldn't accept it either. We walked out empty handed after that. I pity my agent who has to serve us on 3 different days because we brought different family members back to view again and again. I lived in Clementi Ave 4 and I jogged along the track and past that site almost every other day. I love the extremely functional layout and I can accept everything including the location, lack of amenities and transportation woes.But what I cannot accept is the pricing. $1,250psf and a $1.3xxM price tag for a 3 bedder in such a site is unacceptable. I don't want to pay through my nose every month for this kind of quantum:tsk-tsk:

Hmmm... But weren't you informed earlier that the prices are $1100 to $1350 psf?
I mean, I am just curious why you didn't go through the deal...

Antz621
18-05-14, 11:09
Hmmm... But weren't you informed earlier that the prices are $1100 to $1350 psf?
I mean, I am just curious why you didn't go through the deal...

Yes we were. Quantum to range from 1.14 to 1.3 plus. We came in expecting 1.18 to 1.2 for a no view 3bedder on 2nd floor. But they ask 1.27. Even a future condo facing stack 9 that should be cheaper came out more exp at 1.35. Every price we asked is 100k abv our expectations. We couldn't accept it and we walked off. 1.3xx can get me a crappy lakeville 3br for abt the same size same price. Bt at least amenities n transportation is not an issue there. My wife and I felt that we have already compromised so much but we are still asked to pay 100psf abv our original expectation price. 1150 to 1180psf is our max acceptable price range and that is only available in the 3br dual keys. Nope that doesnt fancy us either as the layout is not family friendly and we view sharp corners of the opposite block (fengshui thingy). So no choice we gotta give up lor

sunboy77
18-05-14, 14:57
I see I see.
Yes not comfortable with the purchase should just walk. So many choices out there, especially resale.

Antz621
18-05-14, 15:27
I see I see.
Yes not comfortable with the purchase should just walk. So many choices out there, especially resale.

Oh yes... Precisely choices galore that's why we set a target price and if we don't get it, we need to walk off. We really like the quiet and serenity of WF. But we may be better off with resale in the botannia or varsity park clusters. Just waiting out I guess... Anyway our gal is in JC 2 and gg Uni next year. We would like to see which uni is she really heading before firming up anything la... ;)

sunboy77
18-05-14, 16:16
Oh yes... Precisely choices galore that's why we set a target price and if we don't get it, we need to walk off. We really like the quiet and serenity of WF. But we may be better off with resale in the botannia or varsity park clusters. Just waiting out I guess... Anyway our gal is in JC 2 and gg Uni next year. We would like to see which uni is she really heading before firming up anything la... ;)

Haha looks like West side condos will very much be your top choices then. Unless she's going to the new SUTD campus...

Antz621
18-05-14, 17:21
Haha looks like West side condos will very much be your top choices then. Unless she's going to the new SUTD campus...

If she has to, then bo bian we gotta make the move too! :D

hyenergix
18-05-14, 17:49
I thought Lakeville is better.

Antz621
19-05-14, 08:19
I thought Lakeville is better.

LV has its merits and fair share of drawbacks. The competition to sell or rent out in 10-15 yrs time will be intense with the number of condos and ECs that are sprouting up in the Taman Jurong area. Additionally the coco smell does matters to us too! (Very picky hor :tongue3:)

Nonetheless LV is also under our radar screen in case the gal chooses to go NTU. So we are playing by ear. At the moment, she is expressing interest to go NUS instead so it is still D5 for us for now...:D

hyenergix
19-05-14, 09:20
LV has its merits and fair share of drawbacks. The competition to sell or rent out in 10-15 yrs time will be intense with the number of condos and ECs that are sprouting up in the Taman Jurong area. Additionally the coco smell does matters to us too! (Very picky hor :tongue3:)

Nonetheless LV is also under our radar screen in case the gal chooses to go NTU. So we are playing by ear. At the moment, she is expressing interest to go NUS instead so it is still D5 for us for now...:D

International Business Park and Tuas are still expanding to create more jobs. These few condos around Jurong Lake District should be quite safe from competition.

Antz621
19-05-14, 10:25
International Business Park and Tuas are still expanding to create more jobs. These few condos around Jurong Lake District should be quite safe from competition.

Agreed. But will take a while to see and feel the impact bah. Anyway scali tok so much here end up the gal go SMU then we will have to go settle for 8RS instead :p

Nas
20-05-14, 01:35
Yes we were. Quantum to range from 1.14 to 1.3 plus. We came in expecting 1.18 to 1.2 for a no view 3bedder on 2nd floor. But they ask 1.27. Even a future condo facing stack 9 that should be cheaper came out more exp at 1.35. Every price we asked is 100k abv our expectations. We couldn't accept it and we walked off. 1.3xx can get me a crappy lakeville 3br for abt the same size same price. Bt at least amenities n transportation is not an issue there. My wife and I felt that we have already compromised so much but we are still asked to pay 100psf abv our original expectation price. 1150 to 1180psf is our max acceptable price range and that is only available in the 3br dual keys. Nope that doesnt fancy us either as the layout is not family friendly and we view sharp corners of the opposite block (fengshui thingy). So no choice we gotta give up lor

The 3br dual keys also not really as low as $1,180psf, keke...:p
Dropped you a private msg about price. Not convenient here. :tongue3:

Nas
20-05-14, 01:45
yes and what if basement car park ?

dun know because did not even go into the showroom after inspecting the
surrounding

Yes, it is basement carpark. Keke...

hyenergix
20-05-14, 07:28
Agreed. But will take a while to see and feel the impact bah. Anyway scali tok so much here end up the gal go SMU then we will have to go settle for 8RS instead :p

SMU is good but expensive. NTU is too far west. Both NUS and NTU churn out too many similar graduates. We will see the impact a few years down the road.

Nas
20-05-14, 10:47
SMU is good but expensive. NTU is too far west. Both NUS and NTU churn out too many similar graduates. We will see the impact a few years down the road.

SMU has a good track record for getting hired fast by MNCs with good starting pay. But aiyah SMU so centralised, stay where also convenient.

taeyeon
20-05-14, 11:01
The 3br dual keys also not really as low as $1,180psf, keke...:p
Dropped you a private msg about price. Not convenient here. :tongue3:

isint price the same ? u have better discount?

nydeidith
20-05-14, 12:34
quite surprised that this dev managed to sell quite well despite the price...guess there are still many buyers out there buying for stay...

Kanarazu
20-05-14, 19:56
quite surprised that this dev managed to sell quite well despite the price...guess there are still many buyers out there buying for stay...

Should have a mrt station nearby in future. Maybe thats why?

Albon15
20-05-14, 20:38
quite surprised that this dev managed to sell quite well despite the price...guess there are still many buyers out there buying for stay...

Home stay buyers have different needs and criterias when choosing which condo to buy as compared to investment buyers. That explained the difference in purchase decisions. I stayed in a condo with 600+ units on top of a commercial development near bus interchange n mrt station. Condo are always full of visitors and facilities are usually packed with users. Driving back home during peak hours its a chore as I have to squeeze with buses or shoppers who parked at the commercial development. I would appreciate a quieter environment if I am looking for another unit just for a change. Of course I know I have to pay equivalent or higher price for it knowing I will miss the convenience of transport and amenities. To each his own.

Antz621
21-05-14, 08:07
The 3br dual keys also not really as low as $1,180psf, keke...:p
Dropped you a private msg about price. Not convenient here. :tongue3:

Thanks Dude, reply in a minute

Antz621
21-05-14, 08:10
SMU is good but expensive. NTU is too far west. Both NUS and NTU churn out too many similar graduates. We will see the impact a few years down the road.

Ya SMU atas and bey pee. Lagi more reason to have passive income soon to help soothe the monetary impact on us. Right now she is under a lot of stress trying to handle her prelims and A Lvl and she told us she won't accompany us anymore on any showflat viewing till its over. Very cham seeing the younger generations so stressed out over academics nowadays. :doh:

Antz621
21-05-14, 08:22
quite surprised that this dev managed to sell quite well despite the price...guess there are still many buyers out there buying for stay...

These are genuine buyers for own stay and they are really exercised wisdom in choosing the units. A large proportion of the units taken are the either the very affordable 2 bedders not facing anywhere (at least most of them don't get afternoon sun) or the larger 3 and 4 bedders facing the pool (getting morning sun only). On the other hand, the majority of the "premium" stacks that faces the Sungei were not taken; reflecting the simple fact that customers are not biting that because:


Admit it. The waterfront is actually an upsized Monsoon Drain. Not river. Not some Kallang or Marina Bay kinda waterfront with jetskis or canoes or what nots over here. It is simply a very very big longkang. Period.
Premium stacks all kena west sun. Slanted west sun. But its still west sun. Period x 2.
The layout of the premium stacks has a lot of wasted space like a huge balcony or balconies in the master bedroom. These are simply useless to many buyers. And they won't pay for it. Neither will I. Period x 3.
Premium for the above 3 factors. You need to be damned clear what you want and what you are getting when you commit to that facing at that pricing. I have stayed there for 30 over years and I am damned sure what I am getting so no thanks to the price. :tsk-tsk:

Antz621
21-05-14, 08:25
Home stay buyers have different needs and criterias when choosing which condo to buy as compared to investment buyers. That explained the difference in purchase decisions. I stayed in a condo with 600+ units on top of a commercial development near bus interchange n mrt station. Condo are always full of visitors and facilities are usually packed with users. Driving back home during peak hours its a chore as I have to squeeze with buses or shoppers who parked at the commercial development. I would appreciate a quieter environment if I am looking for another unit just for a change. Of course I know I have to pay equivalent or higher price for it knowing I will miss the convenience of transport and amenities. To each his own.

Well said! Fully agreed! You win some you lose some. Just know where and how you wanna draw the line between the 2. :rolleyes:

hyenergix
21-05-14, 09:10
Trilinq will solve the location issue to NUS and NTU.

Antz621
21-05-14, 09:19
Trilinq will solve the location issue to NUS and NTU.

But Trilinq doesn't agree to our budget :beats-me-man:

Greedy Developer...

Antz621
21-05-14, 09:50
Should have a mrt station nearby in future. Maybe thats why?

There is supposedly a West Coast MRT belonging to the new CIL. But this will only be ready by 2030. And exact location is still not firmed up yet; presumably by 2016 and you know why :rolleyes: My guess is somewhere in Pandan or Teban Garden because of the commuter catchment area + Pandan Loop industrial site. Why not West Coast? Because it is too near to the current Clementi MRT station which will serve as the interchange station between the new CIL and current EWL. The train would need to start decelerating as soon as it accelerates outta Clementi station! :)

hyenergix
21-05-14, 10:04
There is supposedly a West Coast MRT belonging to the new CIL. But this will only be ready by 2030. And exact location is still not firmed up yet; presumably by 2016 and you know why :rolleyes: My guess is somewhere in Pandan or Teban Garden because of the commuter catchment area + Pandan Loop industrial site. Why not West Coast? Because it is too near to the current Clementi MRT station which will serve as the interchange station between the new CIL and current EWL. The train would need to start decelerating as soon as it accelerates outta Clementi station! :)

West Coast Station should be somewhere near the Japanese School:
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&t=m&msa=0&msid=214804489391734348552.0004d3b39bf0bd72e5758&dg=feature

And you can guess what are the good condos that are under discount now to grab :)

Antz621
21-05-14, 10:40
West Coast Station should be somewhere near the Japanese School:
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&t=m&msa=0&msid=214804489391734348552.0004d3b39bf0bd72e5758&dg=feature

And you can guess what are the good condos that are under discount now to grab :)

Actually I was there around that site last week. There is a huge boarded fenced-up plot of land next to Infiniti. Being curious if they are doing soil analysis for the train station, I drove over to kapo to see the site information tablet. Nothing much was revealed. Owner is URA. If it is really the station then the cluster of Infiniti / Carabelle / Botannia / Newest / Hundred Trees and Mont. Park really huat liao. This is an underground station somemore

Nas
21-05-14, 10:42
isint price the same ? u have better discount?

Yes I do! (machiam like getting married, haha). But is not I give, is developer give. Starbuys! Developer is trying to maintain the hype, so to keep sales moving, is offering starbuys. But I notice price change liao. 4BRs up almost 40k, 3BRs up close to 20k.

hyenergix
21-05-14, 10:55
Actually I was there around that site last week. There is a huge boarded fenced-up plot of land next to Infiniti. Being curious if they are doing soil analysis for the train station, I drove over to kapo to see the site information tablet. Nothing much was revealed. Owner is URA. If it is really the station then the cluster of Infiniti / Carabelle / Botannia / Newest / Hundred Trees and Mont. Park really huat liao. This is an underground station somemore

Possibly at this plot of empty land: https://www.google.com.sg/maps/@1.3162467,103.7519224,846m/data=!3m1!1e3

Antz621
21-05-14, 12:57
Possibly at this plot of empty land: https://www.google.com.sg/maps/@1.3162467,103.7519224,846m/data=!3m1!1e3

Then buy infiniti resale suah! :o

sunboy77
21-05-14, 15:37
But Trilinq doesn't agree to our budget :beats-me-man:

Greedy Developer...

Might not be, now....
Just dropped you a PM about price negotiation for the Trilinq.

Those also interested to know can call/SMS me at 96882200. Try not to PM me as my mailbox is usually full....

kaedenong
24-05-14, 01:20
Latest Waterfront @ Faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) sales update: approximate 40% sold.

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Please contact Kaeden @ 9048 0660 for enquiry fast response.

Cheerios :)

Albon15
24-05-14, 07:57
Any buyer bought waterfront@faber for homestay?

kaedenong
24-05-14, 10:12
Any buyer bought waterfront@faber for homestay?

Hi Albon15,

Yes we do have buyers who bought Waterfront@Fabe (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/)r for own essential stay because of the serene and tranquility environment.

Waterfront@Faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) project infor site: www.allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/ (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/)

Please contact Kaeden @ 9048 0660 for immediate enquiry response.

Thank you

Cheerios :)

Albon15
24-05-14, 10:22
Any buyer bought waterfront@faber for homestay?

Sorry. I meant anyone here bought a unit at faber? Not asking abt take up rate.

kaedenong
24-05-14, 10:28
Sorry. I meant anyone here bought a unit at faber? Not asking abt take up rate.

:D no pro Albon15.

:)

Jem
29-05-14, 02:07
Interesting to read all the comments here.

I actually bought a unit for my own stay. My initial intention was to buy a 2 bedded but after studying the floor plans like 100 times and looking at potential affordability and potential flexibility of what I can do with the layout I bought a 3 bedroom dual key (the stack not facing the pool as I too do not believe in paying premium for a pool view). After all it's at least 3 years away and a lot can happen. So there were only possibly a total of 4 units outta the whole devt that I can look at buying (I only like 1 of the 2 bedroom layout and the 3bedroom dual key layout) that are likely within my budget and acceptable price psf especially as this will be my 2nd property and I have to pay that ABSD. So if all those few units were sold before my ballot turn, I too would have walked out empty handed.

Buying a property for your own stay is essentially very different from buying one for investment. Though the location comes with a little inconvenience, but it comes with other convenience for me too. Proximity to my daughter's potential future schools, tranquil and away from the hustle and bustle and proximity to the park connector - I now stay at a town centre with amenities within steps and the upcoming mrt station is literally next to my block and it's underground. Why move if I want the same convenience? I also like the fact that it is a smaller development and feels more exclusive and the overall concept of the devt.

I also did research on how much the developer has paid for the land, it's plot ratio etc. Marketing and publicity was quite well done for this project and that also means added costs. This gave me an rough gauge of what the breakeven price would be for WCL and that worked out for me what would be a reasonable price to pay.

And yes, prices have increased since which I have actually expected.

Jem
29-05-14, 02:15
One more thing, I also checked if the only empty plot of land next to waterfront is already put up by URA for sale. It's not though yet. Unlike Lakeville, the plot of land between lakeville and lakeshore is already put up for sale for residential.

I checked cuz I was considering stack 16 2 bedder of what I will be potentially facing when that land gets developed in the future and potential direct noise when construction takes place.

henryhk
29-05-14, 06:45
Hi jem, Why don't u wait for triliq?

2824
29-05-14, 09:07
looks like a good move, you can either rent out your present place (which would fetch a decent rental with mrt and amenties) or sell it and claim back the ABSD.


Interesting to read all the comments here.

I actually bought a unit for my own stay. My initial intention was to buy a 2 bedded but after studying the floor plans like 100 times and looking at potential affordability and potential flexibility of what I can do with the layout I bought a 3 bedroom dual key (the stack not facing the pool as I too do not believe in paying premium for a pool view). After all it's at least 3 years away and a lot can happen. So there were only possibly a total of 4 units outta the whole devt that I can look at buying (I only like 1 of the 2 bedroom layout and the 3bedroom dual key layout) that are likely within my budget and acceptable price psf especially as this will be my 2nd property and I have to pay that ABSD. So if all those few units were sold before my ballot turn, I too would have walked out empty handed.

Buying a property for your own stay is essentially very different from buying one for investment. Though the location comes with a little inconvenience, but it comes with other convenience for me too. Proximity to my daughter's potential future schools, tranquil and away from the hustle and bustle and proximity to the park connector - I now stay at a town centre with amenities within steps and the upcoming mrt station is literally next to my block and it's underground. Why move if I want the same convenience? I also like the fact that it is a smaller development and feels more exclusive and the overall concept of the devt.

I also did research on how much the developer has paid for the land, it's plot ratio etc. Marketing and publicity was quite well done for this project and that also means added costs. This gave me an rough gauge of what the breakeven price would be for WCL and that worked out for me what would be a reasonable price to pay.

And yes, prices have increased since which I have actually expected.

kaedenong
29-05-14, 12:23
Congrats Jem on securing an unit at Waterfront@Faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) :)

Current latest update for Waterfront@Faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/); approx 42% units have been sold.

2br (1 last unit left), 2br DK and 3br deluxe seem to be the most high in demand! 4 out of 11units 5br strata house has been sold.

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For fast enquire response, pls contact Kaeden @ 9048 0660.

Cheerios :)

Jem
29-05-14, 14:37
Hi jem, Why don't u wait for triliq?

I didn't consider Trilinq at all after doing my research and evaluation. The developer paid a lower psf for that land than Waterfront and it's priced so much higher. That to me means that the developer is very greedy and I feel developers who are essentially greedy may tend to cut corners just to profit more. After all we are buying on paper and there is still a huge risk to consider how the finished/end product may be. I was also aware of the lower ground that Waterfront sits on and have feedbacked to the developer. They are aware of that and will be building measures to avoid possible flooding of the basement carpark etc. The papers I got also included their approval to make use of the adjacent drainage for the building of the estate.

I do not fancy any development that exceeds 600 units - Trilinq has 755. If I am to buy a new launch high rise condo I really would prefer one that will feature a sky pool. I drove around the estate and the feel of the drive leading to Waterfront was very welcoming. It's after all a home you are looking at and it's tough to find one of a right location, right price and feels like home.
Again, it's all personal preferences. Due to timing - I want to move in not later than within the next 3 to 3.5 years time, any subsequent new launches will be eliminated as well. If I didn't get a unit I like at Waterfront I would have looked into resale and taken my time to find one at a good price and with a layout I like (that's also another thing. Those condos which have TOP in the last year to 8 years all have bay windows surrounding nearly the entire circumference of the units which I really do not like).

Happy House Hunting everyone :)

lionhill
29-05-14, 17:35
undersand you appreciate exclusiveness and tranquility.

I agree IOI is a greedy developer. But I can see some anti-commonsense issues in what you say about project quality and developers' profit.

Just imagine if you are a developer, will you be more generous when you make money or when you are fighting to break-even? I do not think the waterfront deveoper bid the land to lose money or to do charity.


I didn't consider Trilinq at all after doing my research and evaluation. The developer paid a lower psf for that land than Waterfront and it's priced so much higher. That to me means that the developer is very greedy and I feel developers who are essentially greedy may tend to cut corners just to profit more. After all we are buying on paper and there is still a huge risk to consider how the finished/end product may be. I was also aware of the lower ground that Waterfront sits on and have feedbacked to the developer. They are aware of that and will be building measures to avoid possible flooding of the basement carpark etc. The papers I got also included their approval to make use of the adjacent drainage for the building of the estate.

I do not fancy any development that exceeds 600 units - Trilinq has 755. If I am to buy a new launch high rise condo I really would prefer one that will feature a sky pool. I drove around the estate and the feel of the drive leading to Waterfront was very welcoming. It's after all a home you are looking at and it's tough to find one of a right location, right price and feels like home.
Again, it's all personal preferences. Due to timing - I want to move in not later than within the next 3 to 3.5 years time, any subsequent new launches will be eliminated as well. If I didn't get a unit I like at Waterfront I would have looked into resale and taken my time to find one at a good price and with a layout I like (that's also another thing. Those condos which have TOP in the last year to 8 years all have bay windows surrounding nearly the entire circumference of the units which I really do not like).

Happy House Hunting everyone :)

Albon15
29-05-14, 20:25
Correlation between development quality and profit margin is way too complex to comprehend and substantiate. There will still be a possibility of cutting corner (via inferior construction material used) although developers enjoy high profit margin (as a result of high psf) due to greed. Likewise, not all developers will want to resort to cut corners and risk loss of reputation and law suit over one project due to low profit margin as a result of unexpected market conditions. Some will resort to passing construction cost to buyers by removing furniture and fittings and relaunching unsold units at lower price. What we can do as buyers are to do our homework in advance (eg. considering varying viewpoints wrt a particular project) and then make a decision as to whether to commit or to pass. As at now, no one can predict who is right and who is wrong.

Albon15
29-05-14, 20:35
I like Trilinq compared to Faber as its relatively nearer to amenities and mrt. I prefer Faber for its proximity to the park connector, its ground units with high ceiling for living and bedrooms (as compared to Trilinq model of only masterbedroom or living). Faber is slightly cheaper with lesser units compared to Trilinq. But I am sure both will attract different buyers whose preferences are different.

Nas
29-05-14, 21:02
Looking at Waterfront developers, World Class Land, track record, the modus operandi is quite obvious. They want to clear stock fast and move on. Rather than wait for a huge profit, they prefer to make small profit quickly, and take their earnings to another project. Different strategy to IOI.

Finishing will always be a problem for big developments because too many units for contractors to finish, regardless of profit margin. So always get a good priced unit and use the savings for your reno. :D

kaedenong
29-05-14, 23:29
Looking at Waterfront developers, World Class Land, track record, the modus operandi is quite obvious. They want to clear stock fast and move on. Rather than wait for a huge profit, they prefer to make small profit quickly, and take their earnings to another project. Different strategy to IOI.

Finishing will always be a problem for big developments because too many units for contractors to finish, regardless of profit margin. So always get a good priced unit and use the savings for your reno. :D

Hi Nas, standing as a neutral real estate sales professional, i also share the same thought with you upon working along with them in their projects marketing. one thing to add is wcl is also willing to go full blast on marketing expenditure (i.e extraordinary big newspaper ad. tv radio ads etc for number of days) in order to get full maximum exposure. They will also likely to price it at a comparable price range in order to let the project move fast; projects like parc rosewood and the hillford are successful examples. As of today, waterfront@faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) has sold more than 40% which i think is consider good and healthy standing in a project marketing perspective.

Another up and coming development by wcl and fragrance group is Citygate (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/city-gate-condo/)(former keypoint) @ beach road.

For latest Waterfront@Faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) and Citygate (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/city-gate-condo/) projects enquiry, please contact Kaeden @ 9048 0660.

cheerios :)

henryhk
30-05-14, 06:15
I didn't consider Trilinq at all after doing my research and evaluation. The developer paid a lower psf for that land than Waterfront and it's priced so much higher. That to me means that the developer is very greedy and I feel developers who are essentially greedy may tend to cut corners just to profit more. After all we are buying on paper and there is still a huge risk to consider how the finished/end product may be. I was also aware of the lower ground that Waterfront sits on and have feedbacked to the developer. They are aware of that and will be building measures to avoid possible flooding of the basement carpark etc. The papers I got also included their approval to make use of the adjacent drainage for the building of the estate.

I do not fancy any development that exceeds 600 units - Trilinq has 755. If I am to buy a new launch high rise condo I really would prefer one that will feature a sky pool. I drove around the estate and the feel of the drive leading to Waterfront was very welcoming. It's after all a home you are looking at and it's tough to find one of a right location, right price and feels like home.
Again, it's all personal preferences. Due to timing - I want to move in not later than within the next 3 to 3.5 years time, any subsequent new launches will be eliminated as well. If I didn't get a unit I like at Waterfront I would have looked into resale and taken my time to find one at a good price and with a layout I like (that's also another thing. Those condos which have TOP in the last year to 8 years all have bay windows surrounding nearly the entire circumference of the units which I really do not like).

Happy House Hunting everyone :)

Thanks for sharing, taking mrt pass Clementi everyday, I see tat Trilinq indeed is a congested project , surrounded by mrt track , nan hwa pri and beside the busy road, ..walking to mrt also far, at least 15mins , plus the new enblocked hdb flats at the old clementi interchange, much nearer to the mrt, it will outshine the Trilinq...and paid at discounted hdb price...... Trilinq need to repackage again to move units!

Antz621
30-05-14, 08:43
undersand you appreciate exclusiveness and tranquility.

I agree IOI is a greedy developer. But I can see some anti-commonsense issues in what you say about project quality and developers' profit.

Just imagine if you are a developer, will you be more generous when you make money or when you are fighting to break-even? I do not think the waterfront deveoper bid the land to lose money or to do charity.

All developers are out to make $; that is an undeniable fact. But with the lacklustre in sales volume, generosity is hard to come by nowadays... More so if you are not a powerhouse with the adequate amount of financial power. In times like these, cost cutting options will prevail in order to maintain whatever margins that are left. I am not making a sweeping statement here but take a look at MCC Land. Their first project THE CANOPY was a washout. While most developers will go all out to do an excellent job in their maiden project so as to impress, MCC Land took the opposite direction instead. And now that is costing them dearly in the Santorini Project now. Were they generous with the specs in Santo in order to make it up? IMO No. I was there last weekend and the project really sucks big time. Apart from the layout and a Quarry-view that everyone in the SF was cultured to believe to be "unique"; even basic mass mkt necessities like fridge and washer are not standard issue for all units! Although the price is relatively decent at $10xxpsf, it makes you wonder how much will these cost the developer anyway?! So I am not sure how seasoned Developers like IOI is planning to redeem itself in Clementi... Land price of $5xx selling at $13xx is seriously :doh:. The only other project in the West that I can think of with comparable big margins is Skywood and it too is drowning under its own greed. TDSR is here to stay and if developers kept thinking they can continue to charge exorbitant prices for mass market projects like they used to, the ones suffering will be themselves...

lionhill
30-05-14, 09:02
All developers are out to make $; that is an undeniable fact. But with the lacklustre in sales volume, generosity is hard to come by nowadays... More so if you are not a powerhouse with the adequate amount of financial power. In times like these, cost cutting options will prevail in order to maintain whatever margins that are left. I am not making a sweeping statement here but take a look at MCC Land. Their first project THE CANOPY was a washout. While most developers will go all out to do an excellent job in their maiden project so as to impress, MCC Land took the opposite direction instead. And now that is costing them dearly in the Santorini Project now. Were they generous with the specs in Santo in order to make it up? IMO No. I was there last weekend and the project really sucks big time. Apart from the layout and a Quarry-view that everyone in the SF was cultured to believe to be "unique"; even basic mass mkt necessities like fridge and washer are not standard issue for all units! Although the price is relatively decent at $10xxpsf, it makes you wonder how much will these cost the developer anyway?! So I am not sure how seasoned Developers like IOI is planning to redeem itself in Clementi... Land price of $5xx selling at $13xx is seriously :doh:. The only other project in the West that I can think of with comparable big margins is Skywood and it too is drowning under its own greed. TDSR is here to stay and if developers kept thinking they can continue to charge exorbitant prices for mass market projects like they used to, the ones suffering will be themselves...

I think we are talking about two different things. What you disagree is that the pricing of Trilinq based on the developer's cost. Yes, based on the price of ppr, IOI could absolutely price it lower. but if we look at the price at that time, e.g., the pricing of Echelon, and J-gateway, and the land price of waterfront, the pricing was not unresonable at that time. But it does not mean IOI will not reduce the price of their remaining units considering the new situation. whether IOI will wait or cut price in the near future, it is up to them.

what I mean is that a developer with barely profit margin is not likely to be a santa cluase to give you super good quality products, although they will meet the general quality requirement as claimed. No matter the developer has track record or not. CDL has good track record, it presents lousy quality product too, so does FEO,etc. To be fair, IOI also has good track record.

hyenergix
30-05-14, 09:11
The walk from Trilinq to Clementi MRT station is about 550 metres, which is about 10 min walk. Just avoid track-facing units.

lionhill
30-05-14, 09:19
The walk from Trilinq to Clementi MRT station is about 550 metres, which is about 10 min walk. Just avoid track-facing units.
actaully, 6 minutes walk in normal paces when I was lucky, not waiting too long time for the traffic light to turn green.

hyenergix
30-05-14, 09:22
actaully, 6 minutes walk in normal paces when I was lucky, not waiting too long time for the traffic light to turn green.

Yes, 10 min is the maximum I quoted to give a good buffer. There is a possibility that Trilinq may have to give a discount later. My guess is some time end of this year.

Nas
30-05-14, 09:51
... So I am not sure how seasoned Developers like IOI is planning to redeem itself in Clementi... Land price of $5xx selling at $13xx is seriously :doh:. ...

The land price is $5xx, but factor in construction and other costs, the breakeven is close to $1000. So if you can get anything at $1,100, its quite a fair deal. Developer earn about $100~$150. That being said, I don't like Trilinq's facing and too near highway and school. In front noise, behind noise. Everywhere sun. No distinctive feature to set itself apart. Reminds me of a few other projects. High class HDB.

lionhill
30-05-14, 12:31
The land price is $5xx, but factor in construction and other costs, the breakeven is close to $1000. So if you can get anything at $1,100, its quite a fair deal. Developer earn about $100~$150. That being said, I don't like Trilinq's facing and too near highway and school. In front noise, behind noise. Everywhere sun. No distinctive feature to set itself apart. Reminds me of a few other projects. High class HDB.
some people bough hdb at 400k several years ago, it is unfair they are selling the hdb now at 800k plus.

some bought condo at 500k in 2005 and now selling it at more than 1000k, even more unfair.

land price of triling was cheaper than that of waterfront, not fair either.

Albon15
03-06-14, 12:00
Curious to know exactly how many units were sold as at today for faber. Went to showflat didnt see any chart. Ask the property agent there said more than 100 sold. Read from todays paper mentioned 86-88. Agents who contributed to this thread, any idea whats the number like?

kaedenong
03-06-14, 12:14
Hi Albon15,

based on my source, waterfront@faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) has sold 85 units as of today.

more infor for waterfront@faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) project homepage: www.allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/ (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/)

For fast response enquiry, pls contact Kaeden @ 9048 0660.

Cheerios :)

Albon15
03-06-14, 12:42
Thanks for the prompt response.



Hi Albon15,

based on my source, waterfront@faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) has sold 85 units as of today.

more infor for waterfront@faber (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/) project homepage: www.allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/ (http://allpropertylaunches.sg/waterfront-at-faber/)

For fast response enquiry, pls contact Kaeden @ 9048 0660.

Cheerios :)

kaedenong
03-06-14, 14:09
Thanks for the prompt response.

Welcome!

Cheerios :)

Jem
05-06-14, 13:49
Hi Albon15,

Received a private message from you but am not able to reply to you pm as you have disabled yourself from receiving pm :)

Jem
05-06-14, 13:57
I'm curious to know if anyone has a ground floor unit with really high ceiling. Love them in the showrooms and the potential of building up.

However I think they are a cleaning nightmare especially there's no maid and no man at home. Even changing a lightbulb would be such a hassle~ :doh:

So as lovely as they look, the practical decision is not to get one. For me that is.

Albon15
05-06-14, 14:06
Reset my setting. You shd b able to send pm to me. Sorry abt it.


Hi Albon15,

Received a private message from you but am not able to reply to you pm as you have disabled yourself from receiving pm :)

Albon15
06-06-14, 11:31
Any other projects with high ceiling n loft or furniture deck at their showflats? I like the concepts.




I'm curious to know if anyone has a ground floor unit with really high ceiling. Love them in the showrooms and the potential of building up.

However I think they are a cleaning nightmare especially there's no maid and no man at home. Even changing a lightbulb would be such a hassle~ :doh:

So as lovely as they look, the practical decision is not to get one. For me that is.

Antz621
06-06-14, 11:42
Any other projects with high ceiling n loft or furniture deck at their showflats? I like the concepts.

Many. But do note that the maximum allowable area for platform/loft/furniture decks is only 5m2 as mandated by BCA.

Anything more need to ask for permission from many more parties as they will evaluate if the maximum GFA had been fulfilled and floor loading etc.

See below link:
http://www.sisv.org.sg/Hottopic/e-news/LoftsBCRequirements_BCA_15Nov11.pdf

Albon15
06-06-14, 11:50
I am aware of the ruling. 5m2 is fine for typical bedrooms of 9m2 (as long as it consists only the top platform n not the platform and stairs). If not I have to do vertical stairs or steps. Any loft contractor contacts to share? Want to see how feasible loft is for faber.


Many. But do note that the maximum allowable area for platform/loft/furniture decks is only 5m2 as mandated by BCA.

Anything more need to ask for permission from many more parties as they will evaluate if the maximum GFA had been fulfilled and floor loading etc.

See below link:
http://www.sisv.org.sg/Hottopic/e-news/LoftsBCRequirements_BCA_15Nov11.pdf

Albon15
06-06-14, 11:52
I shd go measure the faber showflat furniture deck area to see if they exceed 5m2. Haha.

Albon15
06-06-14, 11:55
Curious. Any actual owner of faber around here other than Jem??

Jem
06-06-14, 12:27
Any other projects with high ceiling n loft or furniture deck at their showflats? I like the concepts.

The Creek near Beauty World has it. Good quality equipment and finishing given. And strangely they build the showflat to really actual. The agent who attended to me even clearly pointed out void areas and such. It's FH but I feel it's too pricey and the floor plans of smaller units didn't suit me.

Antz621
06-06-14, 13:31
I shd go measure the faber showflat furniture deck area to see if they exceed 5m2. Haha.

It will be very close! I was very tempted by their ground floor showflat because I thought I can do a decking in the living room to host and to assess to more display shelves that shall be built at the top just like what the showroom unit displays. But after learning about the 5m2, I dropped the idea completely. Oops!

Antz621
06-06-14, 13:32
I am aware of the ruling. 5m2 is fine for typical bedrooms of 9m2 (as long as it consists only the top platform n not the platform and stairs). If not I have to do vertical stairs or steps. Any loft contractor contacts to share? Want to see how feasible loft is for faber.

Junction Nine Residences penthouse units also have it.

So does Floraview in YCK as well

Nas
06-06-14, 13:45
I shd go measure the faber showflat furniture deck area to see if they exceed 5m2. Haha.

Faber ground floor minus false ceiling ground floor is 4.27m. The ceiling mounted aircon (cassette) takes about 0.23m. So in all, 4.5m. Ground floor.

*Sorry, saw wrong. Thought height. Cannot delete. Oops.. haha*

Nas
06-06-14, 13:56
I shd go measure the faber showflat furniture deck area to see if they exceed 5m2. Haha.

Based on my PDI for 1 of the units, the common bedroom with furniture deck for ground floor is 9m2 inclusive of furniture deck. So you can guesstimate, :D

kskong2000
07-03-15, 20:57
Hi All, need advice from the expert here. I am looking at the waterfront at Faber for the school purposes. Layout is good but location is fantastic. Agent told me that the rental yield is not bad which can refer to nearby project. I am not familiar with this area. Appreciate your opinion on this. Thank you.

Kelonguni
30-03-15, 09:23
Hi All, need advice from the expert here. I am looking at the waterfront at Faber for the school purposes. Layout is good but location is fantastic. Agent told me that the rental yield is not bad which can refer to nearby project. I am not familiar with this area. Appreciate your opinion on this. Thank you.

800+m from Nanhua Primary School. Trilinq is next door to Nanhua.

But to get in to NHPS school even with <1km at phase 2C is very difficult. Other schools in the vicinity but a little further away are good neighborhood schools like Qifa, Qifa, Peitong etc. Good secondary schools nearby are abundant - Nanhua High School, NUS High School, ACS, Fairfield etc although they probably require school bus or for you to chauffeur, as this development only has access to AYE, which is enough for some but not for others. MRT station maybe 1.6km away.

Next door project to Waterfront @ Faber is Faber Crest. Can check URA for rental caveat to approximate, although Faber Crest is much nearer to the MRT line and about 13 years old. Can cycle around the Park Connector to get a feel - its just beside the connector network.

I am not an agent but have a relative if you need help. All the best!

desirenlure
04-04-15, 15:57
LTA is planning to build a bus depot opposite the canal of this development: http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=803462e2-7f05-42e6-9cf2-3d23fb7a9e2a. Will there be an increase in the noise level around the area?

Heng
04-04-15, 16:05
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MrTan
04-04-15, 16:15
LTA is planning to build a bus depot opposite the canal of this development: http://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=803462e2-7f05-42e6-9cf2-3d23fb7a9e2a. Will there be an increase in the noise level around the area?

Guess it's not only the sound but also the sight and scent that come along with it. :(

Can always visit any of the bus depots in Singapore to have a preview first.

Guess waterfront@faber shld be rename as depotfront@faber now.

I hope buyers of the waterfront stacks are not paying a premium as compared to buyers of the non-waterfront stacks. Or else really lugi big time already.

Anyway that site is designated as a reserve site in ura masterplan, hence the govt can do anything with it.

Hope potential buyers of kingsford waterbay can learn a lesson here.

MrTan
04-04-15, 17:40
According to ura website, out of 210 units, 111 have been sold cumulatively as at end feb. Total 99 units remain unsold. 6 units have been sold in feb.

Waterfront stacks buyers do pay a premium over those buying non-waterfront stacks. I presume they believe that the view across the water should be acceptable as a business park in future given that a road was already in place and it's named Business Park Drive. But nobody expects it to turn out to be a bus depot in future.

Guess gotta rename road to Bus Depot Drive in future. :(

Kelonguni
04-04-15, 18:06
They should have sold quite a number in March. LTA announced this a bit too late for people to make calculated decisions. The prices have dipped significantly from originally projected 1300psf to now 11++ and 12++ psf. Based on just the general location and the internal offering, the price is a steal, although the depot should have a psychological penalty.

The onus is now on LTA and the company awarded the tender to ensure that that the depot design takes careful consideration of the residential units just across the bank. From the plans accessed in GEBIZ, there are green roofs and 6m sound barrier to minimise the impact. It will be a true test of the modern and considerate design that our Govt touted. Nonetheless, there are bound to be a large number of people who will be uncomfortable, which is understandable. Privacy is guaranteed, but that is about the only clear advantage at the moment; everything else is up in the air.

Grace_gy
16-04-15, 15:05
I am an owner of Waterfront at Faber. This sounds a very bad news for me. Can anyone pose the drawing and plan ( green roofs and 6m sound barrier) accessed in GEBIZ? I can't access to it. Thanks.

Just hope they don't cut down the tree along the canal bank.

Kelonguni
17-04-15, 09:12
I am an owner of Waterfront at Faber. This sounds a very bad news for me. Can anyone pose the drawing and plan ( green roofs and 6m sound barrier) accessed in GEBIZ? I can't access to it. Thanks.

Just hope they don't cut down the tree along the canal bank.

Hi Grace, did you get a river facing unit? It might not be as bad as it looks to be honest. I am just surprised why LTA has not elaborated more clearly on their plans - plonking just a map in news without much elaboration is definitely not good PR skills.

According to the plans, there will be a strip of some scattered trees left. Refer to Pic 1 (Central North) below the boundary for some circles that presumably show the trees.

It also shows a cutback from the river bank to the boundary of the depot, maybe about 40m? I am not too sure what is the cut back from the Waterfront side - it looks to be about 30m? Plus the river width? Total maybe 100m or more?

The forest stretch from Opposite Faber Crest is the forest stretch left untouched.

The sound barrier surrounds the depot facing the river side (refer to the stretch darkened lines and the labels in Pic 2). Picture 3 is the technical specification for the sound barrier. I think this might be the most fortified sound barrier that has ever been built - honestly have not much experience in this. Not engineer trained so a bit hard to analyse Pic 3. I think 6000 high in Pic 2 means 6m but could be wrong - any engineer can decipher and share?

Green roof is for the main building located north of the depot. Some planting within the depot as well. The rectangles I think look like the bus lots. The whole set of documents include dozens of documents providing very detailed plans for the whole complex - too many to share.

It looks a worthy buy to guarantee privacy, but I will study the plans a bit more.

Grace_gy
17-04-15, 09:38
Hi Kelonguni, thanks a lots for all the detailed information. I feel much better now. I bought an unit facing pool. But it is the scenery along the canal bank making me to buy it. I have been living in Clementi for many years. Every week I either cycling or jogging along the Sungei Ulu Pandan River. I know this condo is facing the best view of this river. Hope this new bus depot doesn't spoil all the nature beauty there.

Heng
17-04-15, 09:51
Guess it's not only the sound but also the sight and scent that come along with it. :(

Can always visit any of the bus depots in Singapore to have a preview first.

Guess waterfront@faber shld be rename as depotfront@faber now.

Hope potential buyers of kingsford waterbay can learn a lesson here.

Agents told me prices are now reduced because of the bus depot. BUT perhaps not yet reflected in the data ?



5 Mar 2015 42 Faber Walk #0X-XX New Sale 1,066 sq ft Strata 1,089 psf $1,160,000 Private

Kelonguni
17-04-15, 10:11
Agents told me prices are now reduced because of the bus depot. BUT perhaps not yet reflected in the data ?



5 Mar 2015 42 Faber Walk #0X-XX New Sale 1,066 sq ft Strata 1,089 psf $1,160,000 Private

You are welcome Grace. Were you the one with this caveat?

It looks like an excellent price entry point. The place is really enchanting and location ideal for some but I guess no rush at the moment as people weigh their options.

The other option to consider is Trilinq but its a totally different type of development. Westvale also if can wait a few more extra years - has not really been released yet...

Grace_gy
17-04-15, 10:50
You are welcome Grace. Were you the one with this caveat?

It looks like an excellent price entry point. The place is really enchanting and location ideal for some but I guess no rush at the moment as people weigh their options.

The other option to consider is Trilinq but its a totally different type of development. Westvale also if can wait a few more extra years - has not really been released yet...

No. I bought the unit during launch :blue: The price definitely dropped a lot. At that time, river facing units paid a premium, but I guess they dropped the most. :doh:

Grace_gy
17-04-15, 11:07
No. I bought the unit during launch :blue: The price definitely dropped a lot. At that time, river facing units paid a premium, but I guess they dropped the most. :doh:

Agree with you about Trilinq. Totally different. I visited it during its launch day. thought to buy a two-bedder to invest. but 1M+ price makes it no profit for an investment. I don't like its location. look at the two main roads: clementi ave 6 and commonwealth, and MRT track!! Never consider to pay such a premium to stay inside.

Heng
18-04-15, 11:26
Hi Grace, did you get a river facing unit?

The sound barrier surrounds the depot facing the river side (refer to the stretch darkened lines and the labels in Pic 2). Picture 3 is the technical specification for the sound barrier. I think this might be the most fortified sound barrier that has ever been built - honestly have not much experience in this. Not engineer trained so a bit hard to analyse Pic 3. I think 6000 high in Pic 2 means 6m but could be wrong - any engineer can decipher and share?
It looks a worthy buy to guarantee privacy, but I will study the plans a bit more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_barrier

Noise barriers force the pollution plumes coming from the road to move up and over the barrier creating the effect of an elevated source and enhancing vertical dispersion of the plume.
The deceleration and the deflection of the initial flow by the noise barrier, force the plume to disperse horizontally.

Reading the above article, can anyone advise air pollution is worst at which level ? above 6m ? so that it is better to buy ground floor units as the polluted air with oil fumes, smells, etc hangs above the height of 6m sound barrier ?

Or do the air pollutants sink to the ground level ? I wonder if there are studies to show air pollutants at different heights. Is it better to buy high floors because air is cleaner ?

Kelonguni
18-04-15, 22:17
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_barrier

Noise barriers force the pollution plumes coming from the road to move up and over the barrier creating the effect of an elevated source and enhancing vertical dispersion of the plume.
The deceleration and the deflection of the initial flow by the noise barrier, force the plume to disperse horizontally.

Reading the above article, can anyone advise air pollution is worst at which level ? above 6m ? so that it is better to buy ground floor units as the polluted air with oil fumes, smells, etc hangs above the height of 6m sound barrier ?

Or do the air pollutants sink to the ground level ? I wonder if there are studies to show air pollutants at different heights. Is it better to buy high floors because air is cleaner ?

Thanks for sharing the interesting and useful consideration. Have never thought it would have been studied to such details. I think it's hard to say for sure how each level might be affected because I think it's hard to define downwind in this case.

Southwest area where I live right now, and especially near highways or busy roads, dust is everywhere though. What I am more concerned with are the possibility of increased gases. But again I feel that those who choose to live in this area seem to have accepted it.

Most of the times currently we on the air con and filter when indoors and when sleeping to cope. The gain is in family time and travel times for all.

Heng
19-04-15, 16:21
South West is where ?

"On lower floors pollution level is higher because exhausts "climb" into the windows.
The maximum concentration of emissions is on the ​​1st - 5th floors,
while on the 15th floor it is twice as low,
and on the 30th - ten times lower.

Continuous inhalation of exhaust causes asthma and bronchitis.
Almost all car owners are at risk.
When a car is stuck in a traffic jam or is traveling very slowly,
the concentration of nitrogen dioxide in the car can be 10 times the maximum permissible level.
Air conditioning and closed windows do not help.

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/30-09-2013/125765-air_pollution_russia-0/

Kelonguni
19-04-15, 22:06
Hi, major roads that cut through Southwest include West Coast Highway and AYE.

I think in terms of air pollution, many developments including HDB and landed are at risk. There are even landed property built adjacent to some of the most heavily used and often jammed expressways like CTE. I feel that authorities have mitigated the risk as far as possible by regulating vehicular exhaust and building more roads. Ultimately, we are limited in land and there is only so much that can be avoided for density living.

In terms of "continuous gas inhalation", I think it is definitely not that bad. The windows for bus return and exit from depots is probably for weekdays around 12am (return) and 4am (leave). The entry and exit points are located at the other side of the depot (Boon Lay Way and Business Park Road nowhere near the river) which limits the gas and sound pollution. With the significant distance, I think it is definitely not that bad a situation compared to developments right beside major highways where thousands of vehicles pass by every hour. Or bus terminals where dozens of buses move in and out every few minutes - buses come into depot and park, or leave for major terminals to start work. I think the emission from AYE side will be worse for the development adjacent of W@F in future. Nonetheless, there is still a psychological impact to consider.

Sound has typically been the more scary one for bus depots, especially for engine testing, which I think will be factored in in the design. Still need to check that out when more time is at hand. The engine room is also located within the complex north of the depot - its specifications might be in one of those dozens of files...




South West is where ?

"On lower floors pollution level is higher because exhausts "climb" into the windows.
The maximum concentration of emissions is on the ​​1st - 5th floors,
while on the 15th floor it is twice as low,
and on the 30th - ten times lower.

Continuous inhalation of exhaust causes asthma and bronchitis.
Almost all car owners are at risk.
When a car is stuck in a traffic jam or is traveling very slowly,
the concentration of nitrogen dioxide in the car can be 10 times the maximum permissible level.
Air conditioning and closed windows do not help.

http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/30-09-2013/125765-air_pollution_russia-0/

Heng
20-04-15, 07:37
Thought of buying 5th floor as air may be cleaner and quieter than at ground level...
but with
""Ulu Pandan bus depot for about 500 buses for daily bus operations, bus repair/ maintenance",

6 m high Noise Barrier will create an elevated source of air pollutants ?
Thus the worst dispersion is now nearer the 5th floor level before settling nearer to ground floor ?

so resultant is higher levels up to 5th floor is worse than being on ground floor ?

Wonder if the analysis is correct ?

BUY 5th floor or 1st floor if concern with air pollutants from vehicle exhaust
from 500+ vehicles in Ulu Pandan Bus Depot ?

Kelonguni
20-04-15, 08:53
Hi Heng, are you considering 1st or 5th floors? I doubt there is any real difference for the same facing.

The development location is definitely more than the 50m, perhaps even more than 100m from the nearest road within the depot. Moreover, this is not like the US highways where the long distance, the load carried, and the dusty roads themselves create layers of dust plumes that are cost ineffective to remove. What we are looking at are buses on short, clean stretches of Singapore roads that should be easily maintained. At least the LTA has a strong obligation to ensure there is minimal dust within the depot. Trucks with muddy tires are fined in SG, and even the old bus depots here do not show the kind of dust that we are talking about... I noted that there are several culverts built alongside the depot linked to river - are they for washing or rainwaters to cleanse away residual dust?

To minimise any chance of noise (from AYE, MRT and Business Park Road), lower floors are safer I feel. Nonetheless, I believe the overall noise level here should be very moderated and much better than many other developments. There is still a few more residential sites to be released in this area, and I think their attractive levels will be even lower? Dust and air quality-wise I doubt there is any real difference from developments in this region. The psychological effect is real though.




Thought of buying 5th floor as air may be cleaner and quieter than at ground level...
but with
""Ulu Pandan bus depot for about 500 buses for daily bus operations, bus repair/ maintenance",

6 m high Noise Barrier will create an elevated source of air pollutants ?
Thus the worst dispersion is now nearer the 5th floor level before settling nearer to ground floor ?

so resultant is higher levels up to 5th floor is worse than being on ground floor ?

Wonder if the analysis is correct ?

BUY 5th floor or 1st floor if concern with air pollutants from vehicle exhaust
from 500+ vehicles in Ulu Pandan Bus Depot ?

MrTan
20-04-15, 09:21
Hi Heng, are you considering 1st or 5th floors? I doubt there is any real difference for the same facing.

The development location is definitely more than the 50m, perhaps even more than 100m from the nearest road within the depot. Moreover, this is not like the US highways where the long distance, the load carried, and the dusty roads themselves create layers of dust plumes that are cost ineffective to remove. What we are looking at are buses on short, clean stretches of Singapore roads that should be easily maintained. At least the LTA has a strong obligation to ensure there is minimal dust within the depot. Trucks with muddy tires are fined in SG, and even the old bus depots here do not show the kind of dust that we are talking about... I noted that there are several culverts built alongside the depot linked to river - are they for washing or rainwaters to cleanse away residual dust?

To minimise any chance of noise (from AYE, MRT and Business Park Road), lower floors are safer I feel. Nonetheless, I believe the overall noise level here should be very moderated and much better than many other developments. There is still a few more residential sites to be released in this area, and I think their attractive levels will be even lower? Dust and air quality-wise I doubt there is any real difference from developments in this region. The psychological effect is real though.

If still in doubt, then either buy the center/middle one, or buy the cheapest one, or dun buy at all and wait for the next development with less or no doubt. :)

Kelonguni
20-04-15, 09:32
If still in doubt, then either buy the center/middle one, or buy the cheapest one, or dun buy at all and wait for the next development with less or no doubt. :)

Truly no rush now. Everyone stunned like vegetables.

The question is how long depressed prices will last. My prediction is July 2015 onwards based on my primitive indices.

MrTan
20-04-15, 09:58
Truly no rush now. Everyone stunned like vegetables.

The question is how long depressed prices will last. My prediction is July 2015 onwards based on my primitive indices.

Lol. Un un un un unbelievable. :D

Heng
20-04-15, 16:56
Truly no rush now. Everyone stunned like vegetables.

The question is how long depressed prices will last. My prediction is July 2015 onwards based on my primitive indices.

Meaning Developer is going to reduce prices even more since more than 40% unsold ( 89 units ) based on URA website

Kelonguni
20-04-15, 17:36
Meaning Developer is going to reduce prices even more since more than 40% unsold ( 89 units ) based on URA website

Yes that will be good news for some of us looking at this region. But I think those available tend to be larger units. 2BR sold out I think.

MrTan
20-04-15, 18:26
Yes that will be good news for some of us looking at this region. But I think those available tend to be larger units. 2BR sold out I think.

http://www.stproperty.sg/articles-property/spw-insights/waterfront--faber--a-worthwhile-investment-potential-to-look-into/a/183668

http://www.waterfrontatfaberofficial.com/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Waterfront-at-Faber-Walk/603901656351043

Heng
21-04-15, 09:04
Meaning Developer is going to reduce prices even more since more than 40% unsold ( 89 units ) based on URA website

Appreciate if you can comment on DESIRABILITY OR OTHERWISE of the different stacks that are circled in RED. The unsold units are facing the ULU PANDAN BUS DEPOT.

Kelonguni
21-04-15, 10:26
Appreciate if you can comment on DESIRABILITY OR OTHERWISE of the different stacks that are circled in RED. The unsold units are facing the ULU PANDAN BUS DEPOT.

Do you have the prices for comment? Is numerology important for you? Prefer ground floor or top floor or mid floor? The external stack all look about the same. Some 4 Bedders, some 3 bedders. Hard to comment specifically. The internal stack 29 faces the pool, some like this kind some don't.

Heng
22-04-15, 10:52
Do you have the prices for comment? .

please comment on stack 7 & stack 9 @ about $1k psf or about $1m

stack 7 : 1066 sq ft

stack 9 : 1033 sq ft

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#04-12

5 Mar 2015

1,066 sqft

S$ 1,089 psf

S$ 1,160,000

Kelonguni
22-04-15, 11:28
please comment on stack 7 & stack 9 @ about $1k psf or about $1m

stack 7 : 1066 sq ft

stack 9 : 1033 sq ft

*****************
#04-12

5 Mar 2015

1,066 sqft

S$ 1,089 psf

S$ 1,160,000

Both are excellent value for money I feel. Where else can you get an almost 100 sqm apartment for about 1mil in District 5? More often than not, we are looking at 1.35mil.

Stack 7 is closest to child playing area. If your family are the type that are not too affected by children playing, which necessarily results in sudden noises, or you come back after all the play areas are closed, it is a great buy. You likely are also not the type who has issues with privacy.

Stack 9 is external facing and unblocked at the moment but the adjacent plot has been earmarked for another development (plot ratio 1.4). I suspect it to be released once the bus depot design has proven to be acceptable to residents and visitors. There is a good chance that the adjacent development might be built very close to it as well. This has happened to my relative with a development in the Northeast region. For some people, it is a non-issue though.

My two cents take only.

For rental yields, I think both represent very value for money propositions. For own stay have to depend on your family dynamics and preference.

monochrome81
18-06-15, 12:42
please comment on stack 7 & stack 9 @ about $1k psf or about $1m

stack 7 : 1066 sq ft

stack 9 : 1033 sq ft

*****************
#04-12

5 Mar 2015

1,066 sqft

S$ 1,089 psf

S$ 1,160,000

Sorry just to clarify - the unit (04-12) that you highlighted here and with the attachment info, was the nett price actually $ 1.16M or $ 1.066M ??

tsimlw
18-06-15, 22:35
Hi guys,

I think you might be interested to know the information provided by the Deputy Manager, Bus Infrastructure Development from LTA upon my enquiry on the bus depot.
Below is an excerpt of his email reply to my enquiry and suggestion to retain the greenary directly across the Waterfront@Faber site.

"Standing in your shoes, LTA is mindful of the impact of the bus depot and has designed the depot with guidance and input from agencies such as NEA and NParks. To mitigate and compensate the loss of greenery, and as suggested, we will retain a natural forest corridor of existing trees (around 20m wide) to adjoin an additional planned Park Connector across the river from the Waterfront@Faber residences – the bus depot will be camouflaged. In addition, there will be dense peripheral planting around the bus depot, and green roof and planting within the bus depot. To prevent noise nuisance and impact of dust and emission to air quality, the depot is sited about 100m away from the nearest residences across Sungei Ulu Pandan. Having said that, we will locate the 24/7 depot’s workshop for repair/maintenance (where noisy activities are carried out mostly during the day) furthest away on Boon Lay Way side. These are in addition to the continuous 6m high noise barrier that LTA will be installing along the bus depot boundary (within depot and behind fence line), with dense planting and the natural forest buffer as camouflage. Figure 1 is a picture taken by my team and I during a site visit recently, which I hope can illustrate the above arrangement."

10275

Kelonguni
19-06-15, 11:11
Thanks for helping address the queries.

Very close to my estimates and the plan diagrams as well.

I think a reference benchmark of the future prices in the region can be obtained from the results of West Vale tender and targeted sizes of units.



Hi guys,

I think you might be interested to know the information provided by the Deputy Manager, Bus Infrastructure Development from LTA upon my enquiry on the bus depot.
Below is an excerpt of his email reply to my enquiry and suggestion to retain the greenary directly across the Waterfront@Faber site.

"Standing in your shoes, LTA is mindful of the impact of the bus depot and has designed the depot with guidance and input from agencies such as NEA and NParks. To mitigate and compensate the loss of greenery, and as suggested, we will retain a natural forest corridor of existing trees (around 20m wide) to adjoin an additional planned Park Connector across the river from the Waterfront@Faber residences – the bus depot will be camouflaged. In addition, there will be dense peripheral planting around the bus depot, and green roof and planting within the bus depot. To prevent noise nuisance and impact of dust and emission to air quality, the depot is sited about 100m away from the nearest residences across Sungei Ulu Pandan. Having said that, we will locate the 24/7 depot’s workshop for repair/maintenance (where noisy activities are carried out mostly during the day) furthest away on Boon Lay Way side. These are in addition to the continuous 6m high noise barrier that LTA will be installing along the bus depot boundary (within depot and behind fence line), with dense planting and the natural forest buffer as camouflage. Figure 1 is a picture taken by my team and I during a site visit recently, which I hope can illustrate the above arrangement."

10275

Jem
20-06-15, 12:28
Hi guys,

I think you might be interested to know the information provided by the Deputy Manager, Bus Infrastructure Development from LTA upon my enquiry on the bus depot.
Below is an excerpt of his email reply to my enquiry and suggestion to retain the greenary directly across the Waterfront@Faber site.

"Standing in your shoes, LTA is mindful of the impact of the bus depot and has designed the depot with guidance and input from agencies such as NEA and NParks. To mitigate and compensate the loss of greenery, and as suggested, we will retain a natural forest corridor of existing trees (around 20m wide) to adjoin an additional planned Park Connector across the river from the Waterfront@Faber residences – the bus depot will be camouflaged. In addition, there will be dense peripheral planting around the bus depot, and green roof and planting within the bus depot. To prevent noise nuisance and impact of dust and emission to air quality, the depot is sited about 100m away from the nearest residences across Sungei Ulu Pandan. Having said that, we will locate the 24/7 depot’s workshop for repair/maintenance (where noisy activities are carried out mostly during the day) furthest away on Boon Lay Way side. These are in addition to the continuous 6m high noise barrier that LTA will be installing along the bus depot boundary (within depot and behind fence line), with dense planting and the natural forest buffer as camouflage. Figure 1 is a picture taken by my team and I during a site visit recently, which I hope can illustrate the above arrangement."

10275

This is very good info~. Thanks!! I assumed you have purchased a unit there yourself?

tsimlw
20-06-15, 14:45
Yes, Jem.
A waterfront facing unit.
Wrote in to LTA to clarify my concerns.

ivanng10
18-07-15, 12:17
Hi guys,

I think you might be interested to know the information provided by the Deputy Manager, Bus Infrastructure Development from LTA upon my enquiry on the bus depot.
Below is an excerpt of his email reply to my enquiry and suggestion to retain the greenary directly across the Waterfront@Faber site.

"Standing in your shoes, LTA is mindful of the impact of the bus depot and has designed the depot with guidance and input from agencies such as NEA and NParks. To mitigate and compensate the loss of greenery, and as suggested, we will retain a natural forest corridor of existing trees (around 20m wide) to adjoin an additional planned Park Connector across the river from the Waterfront@Faber residences – the bus depot will be camouflaged. In addition, there will be dense peripheral planting around the bus depot, and green roof and planting within the bus depot. To prevent noise nuisance and impact of dust and emission to air quality, the depot is sited about 100m away from the nearest residences across Sungei Ulu Pandan. Having said that, we will locate the 24/7 depot’s workshop for repair/maintenance (where noisy activities are carried out mostly during the day) furthest away on Boon Lay Way side. These are in addition to the continuous 6m high noise barrier that LTA will be installing along the bus depot boundary (within depot and behind fence line), with dense planting and the natural forest buffer as camouflage. Figure 1 is a picture taken by my team and I during a site visit recently, which I hope can illustrate the above arrangement."

10275

Hi tsimlw,

Many thanks for the very helpful info.. Could you help me out here? I can't seem to view/download the attachment..? Is there an server issue or others? Also appreciate all forumers advice.. thanks a lot!

yowetan
03-09-15, 20:13
Has this developer gets into panic mode yet?

Grace_gy
03-09-15, 22:44
Has this developer gets into panic mode yet?

According to the condo Facebook, 70% of total units have been sold. I track ura data quite frequently, Kuasu, and the price maintains quite consistent during past half year. Actually I feel the selling quantity each month improve steadily. Trilinq has the same trend. Maybe the true buyers start 进场了。

Arcachon
04-09-15, 02:41
https://www.facebook.com/groups/624449594324617/

Kelonguni
04-09-15, 07:32
Has this developer gets into panic mode yet?

We will have to look at the trend again after 7th lunar month. There are those who think the relaxation of HDB and EC criteria might curb PC demand and I think those are valid possibilities.

But for this region, it might play out differently even if the overall trend is true for the country. From JE to city centre, there are no ECs that I am aware of honestly. The new HDBs are going for 600, 700k. There is a tradeoff between amenities and peace (away from the hustle and bustle).

PSF wise Trilinq is a fair bit higher and might be slightly less family and local oriented. The recent months have seen 4 or more units moving per month. It should be a sell out by 2018. West Vale sold at a lower price of 550psf so price wise might even be lower although it is just adjacent to expressways and maybe not within 1km or even same GRC as Nanhua.

This is the most undervalued development I am aware of. If I were to buy a new condo, it will certainly be it. Quantum still high due to relatively larger units. Unlikely to sell out fast so still have time to consider.

yowetan
07-09-15, 21:33
I am interested in this development and thinking to get it 2nd property. Any way to get any form of loans for additional 200-300k?

Kelonguni
07-09-15, 23:35
I am interested in this development and thinking to get it 2nd property. Any way to get any form of loans for additional 200-300k?

You got Mt Sinai and Henry Park already. Need this second property here for?

MrTan
08-09-15, 01:10
I understand that newbies replied him cos they dun know the history. I jus can't figure out why an old bird like u would wanna entertain him.

Kelonguni
08-09-15, 07:46
I understand that newbies replied him cos they dun know the history. I jus can't figure out why an old bird like u would wanna entertain him.

Haha... cos if his Mt Sinai is not real, you can bet he is serious on this site. Suits the profile he is looking for - in quiet landed enclave, within 1km to popular schools.

I have potential vested interests to be concerned. August sales seems to be doubling up and moving fast...

yowetan
08-09-15, 09:12
Haha... cos if his Mt Sinai is not real, you can bet he is serious on this site. Suits the profile he is looking for - in quiet landed enclave, within 1km to popular schools.

I have potential vested interests to be concerned. August sales seems to be doubling up and moving fast...

I am taking it as 2nd property. But I am still short of 200-300k in cash. Need to find ways to raise this amount but wondering if this development worth it cause.

Kelonguni
08-09-15, 09:54
I am taking it as 2nd property. But I am still short of 200-300k in cash. Need to find ways to raise this amount but wondering if this development worth it cause.

Hillview Peak is better for you.

Short of 300K means you don't have any down payment for the smallest 3BR. Can pay ABSD only. Very funny hor?

yowetan
08-09-15, 11:05
Hillview Peak is better for you.

Short of 300K means you don't have any down payment for the smallest 3BR. Can pay ABSD only. Very funny hor?

Hillview peak is over rated and expensive.

I have loaned with relatives and friends and accumulated around 350k. I am exploring the possibility of getting 1.2mil 3 bedder? I need to factor in 120k+600k which is 720k. I am still short of 300k-400k. Hopefully during next 1 year I manage to find ways to raise 100k to make up the short fall before developer calls for it?

Correct me if I am wrong.

Kelonguni
08-09-15, 11:22
Hillview peak is over rated and expensive.

I have loaned with relatives and friends and accumulated around 350k. I am exploring the possibility of getting 1.2mil 3 bedder? I need to factor in 120k+600k which is 720k. I am still short of 300k-400k. Hopefully during next 1 year I manage to find ways to raise 100k to make up the short fall before developer calls for it?

Correct me if I am wrong.

How do you manage to loan so much from friends?

I don't need to loan so much. How about you loan me 30K?

It does not matter if the developer calls for it if you have not signed the mortgage.

yowetan
08-09-15, 11:26
How do you manage to loan so much from friends?

I don't need to loan so much. How about you loan me 30K?

It does not matter if the developer calls for it if you have not signed the mortgage.

Those are my childhood close friends and relatives. I am wondering if it is possible for progressive payment for I like to take the risk to pay off the first 30% payment inclusive downpayment and ABSD. The remaining will only be call upon when the respective phase is executed by developer? Am I right to think that way?

30% of 1.2mil will be 360k+120k = 480k.

Then remaining 20% which accounts for 240k I will need to find ways to achieve that to get by? Then I will let the 600k loan to kicks in.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Kelonguni
08-09-15, 11:45
Those are my childhood close friends and relatives. I am wondering if it is possible for progressive payment for I like to take the risk to pay off the first 30% payment inclusive downpayment and ABSD. The remaining will only be call upon when the respective phase is executed by developer? Am I right to think that way?

30% of 1.2mil will be 360k+120k = 480k.

Then remaining 20% which accounts for 240k I will need to find ways to achieve that to get by? Then I will let the 600k loan to kicks in.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Don't know how to correct you. Second loan quantum very much lowered also if I believe you. Haha. Need to find more childhood friends for you. Please speak to a bank consultant.

MrTan
08-09-15, 11:54
Guess mortgageguru is too busy to handle this case too.

Approach multiple finance companies to raise the remaining balance is an option.

Arcachon
08-09-15, 12:01
Those are my childhood close friends and relatives. I am wondering if it is possible for progressive payment for I like to take the risk to pay off the first 30% payment inclusive downpayment and ABSD. The remaining will only be call upon when the respective phase is executed by developer? Am I right to think that way?

30% of 1.2mil will be 360k+120k = 480k.

Then remaining 20% which accounts for 240k I will need to find ways to achieve that to get by? Then I will let the 600k loan to kicks in.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Don't forget the ABSD.

yowetan
09-09-15, 23:33
Don't forget the ABSD.

ABSD has already factored in. It's the 120k.

30% of 1.2 mil will be 360k
20% of 1.2 mil will be 240k

So I am thinking if the 20% disburse will be call by developer fast or not based on those who bought new properties. I need to find ways to get unsecured loan of 250-350k?

Kelonguni
10-09-15, 10:57
ABSD has already factored in. It's the 120k.

30% of 1.2 mil will be 360k
20% of 1.2 mil will be 240k

So I am thinking if the 20% disburse will be call by developer fast or not based on those who bought new properties. I need to find ways to get unsecured loan of 250-350k?

Nobody has any clear idea what you are really talking about. You are saying that you already have more than enough for the 20% downpayment and 10% for the ABSD. Are you also saying that you can only take 50 or 60% loan due to TDSR or other CMs?

Once you sign the S and P, 5% cash is payable. Another 15% should be paid once you sign the OTP.

The remaining 80% will go into progressive payment scheme. When the developer calls for the next amounts is hard to say as it depends on a lot of factors.

In your case, might have overleveraged. If you have only 30% and can only borrow 50% (shortfall of 20%), better to save up first.

Else, get something else where you already have 50% of the sales price. Some 2BR elsewhere? My humble views.

yowetan
10-09-15, 12:48
Nobody has any clear idea what you are really talking about. You are saying that you already have more than enough for the 20% downpayment and 10% for the ABSD. Are you also saying that you can only take 50 or 60% loan due to TDSR or other CMs?

Once you sign the S and P, 5% cash is payable. Another 15% should be paid once you sign the OTP.

The remaining 80% will go into progressive payment scheme. When the developer calls for the next amounts is hard to say as it depends on a lot of factors.

In your case, might have overleveraged. If you have only 30% and can only borrow 50% (shortfall of 20%), better to save up first.

Else, get something else where you already have 50% of the sales price. Some 2BR elsewhere? My humble views.


Thank you for restructuring my statement. Yes, I only have 30% and can only borrow 50% due to the cooling measure if I get in-principle approval from DBS FHR plan.

I am thinking if I should go all out and get it first, and think of the remaining 20% later stage by borrowing from other means and ways?

Meanwhile could you again enlighten me how developer calls for money? For this development case, which stage of calling is it now?

Kelonguni
10-09-15, 19:33
Thank you for restructuring my statement. Yes, I only have 30% and can only borrow 50% due to the cooling measure if I get in-principle approval from DBS FHR plan.

I am thinking if I should go all out and get it first, and think of the remaining 20% later stage by borrowing from other means and ways?

Meanwhile could you again enlighten me how developer calls for money? For this development case, which stage of calling is it now?

You actually need 110% due to ABSD and BSD. So you lack 30% more. That's too much to save in 1 year or so before the progressive payment kicks in. Please consider other developments with lower quantum.

yowetan
12-09-15, 16:10
Pap wins and I have a hunch this site will prosper. :( need to find a way to get.

Kelonguni
12-09-15, 23:05
Pap wins and I have a hunch this site will prosper. :( need to find a way to get.

What? Only 1 SMC and 1 GRC not won by PAP. It's a clean sweep islandwide.

Going by your logic, there are many other sites you should consider.

Don't break your piggybank and your back stretching for something that is out of affordable range.

yowetan
13-09-15, 15:33
What? Only 1 SMC and 1 GRC not won by PAP. It's a clean sweep islandwide.

Going by your logic, there are many other sites you should consider.

Don't break your piggybank and your back stretching for something that is out of affordable range.

Honestly comparing this project to others in current market and foreseeable newer future projects this one has a quality build within. The space is good and not much wasted space so as to speak. Besides this is a potential site with great up side potential for many developments ahead. This is why I set my eyes on this project. 1033-1066 3 bedder.

Kelonguni
14-09-15, 10:26
Honestly comparing this project to others in current market and foreseeable newer future projects this one has a quality build within. The space is good and not much wasted space so as to speak. Besides this is a potential site with great up side potential for many developments ahead. This is why I set my eyes on this project. 1033-1066 3 bedder.

Talking about space, surely Mt Sinai landed has more space, more rooms?

I can understand the appeal to live here, but as a second property for investment is not that easy to see why.

Unless you were bluffing about the landed property?

yowetan
14-09-15, 11:01
Talking about space, surely Mt Sinai landed has more space, more rooms?

I can understand the appeal to live here, but as a second property for investment is not that easy to see why.

Unless you were bluffing about the landed property?

There is a specific reason why I lay my eyes on this development.

A person whom I met in the showflat forge that decision. I cannot elaborate further in public.

Kelonguni
14-09-15, 11:48
There is a specific reason why I lay my eyes on this development.

A person whom I met in the showflat forge that decision. I cannot elaborate further in public.

Must be Minister Tharman passed by the showflat to shake hands with people during election campaign.

Don't think too much about it.

yowetan
14-09-15, 11:56
Must be Minister Tharman passed by the showflat to shake hands with people during election campaign.

Don't think too much about it.

It is nothing to do with GE. But rather is closely link to other misc issues. I am still hopeful and trying to find means to raise the sum to go about it. I am thinking if developer calling the number progressively I might have a chance to survive through? TOP date is scheduled 2018.

Jem
19-09-15, 00:54
It is nothing to do with GE. But rather is closely link to other misc issues. I am still hopeful and trying to find means to raise the sum to go about it. I am thinking if developer calling the number progressively I might have a chance to survive through? TOP date is scheduled 2018.

Now you made me very curious since I bought a unit there what this other misc issues might be. Issues are negative though but I'm hearing you met someone who affirmed that this will be a choice buy?

The developer should be calling the next payment quite soon I think. And I'm hoping it will TOP latest by mid 2017 considering that this is a small developkent.

Kelonguni
19-09-15, 11:34
Now you made me very curious since I bought a unit there what this other misc issues might be. Issues are negative though but I'm hearing you met someone who affirmed that this will be a choice buy?

The developer should be calling the next payment quite soon I think. And I'm hoping it will TOP latest by mid 2017 considering that this is a small developkent.

This fella is the ultra kelong in this forum. Must take three pinches of salt before we listen to him. Anyway he still lacks 300k, so I don't think he will make it in time. Unless according to his new story, some unbelievable thing happens again.

yowetan
19-09-15, 15:21
This fella is the ultra kelong in this forum. Must take three pinches of salt before we listen to him. Anyway he still lacks 300k, so I don't think he will make it in time. Unless according to his new story, some unbelievable thing happens again.

I admit it's tough to get another 300-400k within this period. But I really like that place though many discuss the negativity of the depot across the longkang. I am still trying, and thinking if government will loosen the ABSD grip.

MrTan
19-09-15, 15:53
Same old story. Different property. Just this year alone. First is Kingsford Waterbay. Then is Northpark. Next is Panorama. Now this Waterfront @ Faber. Have I missed any? What's next? Principal Garden?

Kelonguni
19-09-15, 17:36
Same old story. Different property. Just this year alone. First is Kingsford Waterbay. Then is Northpark. Next is Panorama. Now this Waterfront @ Faber. Have I missed any? What's next? Principal Garden?

Yes you missed the Flamingo Valley.

MrTan
19-09-15, 18:00
Lol. I have to hand it to you. Classic 2012 case and you still recall it. 佩服佩服。:D

Guess can group & classify all these cases by year by district & name them the NATOYEW files.

yowetan
12-10-15, 19:23
Any update of sales here for Faber walk? I am keen but budget is low.

Arcachon
09-11-15, 01:25
Waterfront@Faber @ Faber Walk D5 - https://www.facebook.com/groups/624449594324617/

propertycarrots
09-11-15, 02:35
Last 10 transactions:
https://scontent-sin1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12186319_10153355168852568_9153893131093407924_o.jpg

yowetan
09-11-15, 07:12
Waterfront@Faber @ Faber Walk D5 - https://www.facebook.com/groups/624449594324617/

By creating multiple FB group(s) does not help.
propertycarrots though advertising but his/her information is more relevant, helpful and more applicable than your "Fake"book.

Kelonguni
09-11-15, 10:18
By creating multiple FB group(s) does not help.
propertycarrots though advertising but his/her information is more relevant, helpful and more applicable than your "Fake"book.

His intention is not for information dissemination but more for the creation of a closed group later on.

yowetan
09-11-15, 10:31
His intention is not for information dissemination but more for the creation of a closed group later on.

Do you need someone who has no stake in this development to create "Closed" group for this project? Even if there is a need, would people go to this FB and the admin is someone who has no stake in it? There are too many "Closed" groups. Anyway no pun intended. Just wonder if this action is necessary.

Kelonguni
09-11-15, 10:40
I believe he would hand over the admin rights later.

But I agree its better if someone with a stake in this starts a group genuinely. OK Yowetan can start?




Do you need someone who has no stake in this development to create "Closed" group for this project? Even if there is a need, would people go to this FB and the admin is someone who has no stake in it? There are too many "Closed" groups. Anyway no pun intended. Just wonder if this action is necessary.

yowetan
09-11-15, 10:47
I believe he would hand over the admin rights later.

But I agree its better if someone with a stake in this starts a group genuinely. OK Yowetan can start?

I wish I can start. But I don't have the stake in this development. :(
I am still trying to figure out how to get more money to get one. Am stuck with my current place and huge loan.

Kelonguni
09-11-15, 10:53
I wish I can start. But I don't have the stake in this development. :(
I am still trying to figure out how to get more money to get one. Am stuck with my current place and huge loan.

OK that's good news for owners.

The larger 4BRs seem to be moving very fast recently. 3BRs has been consistently moving as well. On average about 8 sales a month, I think can clear by mid 2016.

yowetan
09-11-15, 11:53
OK that's good news for owners.

The larger 4BRs seem to be moving very fast recently. 3BRs has been consistently moving as well. On average about 8 sales a month, I think can clear by mid 2016.

Why you like that? :( I also want to stay Faber. :(

Arcachon
09-11-15, 13:08
What will you do if you need to make a car?

Will you try to reinvent the wheel in order to make a car?

Or would you just use the wheel which someone have invented long ago and start making the car.

I like property investment and like to buy more, but TDSR stop me from buying more.

While waiting for them to remove TDSR meantime create Facebook closed group for owner and resident.

Learn a lot in the process of creating, approving members, handling over the admin and giving my 5 cents, 10 cents what I have experience at Terrasse group.

All closed group I notice have the same problem, having vendors in the group, nasty member, having the same question in the different group.

It is normal for people to feel uncomfortable with non-resident or owner in the group and there are those who appreciate.

Facebook is a platform for communication and sharing, it can be abuse and it can also improve the life for those who use it correctly.

Enjoy a lot in the closed group but I cannot share here, it for me to know and for you to find out.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1849161

Ask not what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for the country.

Kelonguni
09-11-15, 13:28
Why you like that? :( I also want to stay Faber. :(

You already stay in Sinai what???

yowetan
09-11-15, 13:32
You already stay in Sinai what???

Not good enough. Need one more at Nan Hua for backup. :(

Kelonguni
10-11-15, 14:04
Not good enough. Need one more at Nan Hua for backup. :(

不愧是我们的Yaogui Tan.

yowetan
10-11-15, 14:48
不愧是我们的Yaogui Tan.

Could you be kinder with your words? :o