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reporter2
26-04-13, 13:39
http://www.straitstimes.com/archive/thursday/premium/money/story/prices-resale-ecs-exceed-new-units-pricing-20130425

Prices of resale ECs exceed new units' pricing

Reasons: Glut of new units; blurred lines between privatised ECs, condos

Published on Apr 25, 2013

By Cheryl Ong


IN A surprise development, the median prices of resale executive condominiums (ECs) have exceeded those of new EC units.

This is the first time it has happened since the Government reintroduced ECs - a hybrid of public and private housing - into the market in 2010.

One key reason, according to property consultancy Jones Lang LaSalle, is that a plentiful pipeline of new ECs is keeping the prices of new units in check.

In a report, it said the median price of resale EC units hit a high of $778 per sq ft (psf) in the first quarter, exceeding the median price of $748 psf for new units.

In the first quarter, resale ECs also recorded a rise of 5.4 per cent in median prices from the previous quarter - the biggest spike in the past 21/2 years.

Jones Lang LaSalle Singapore research director Ong Teck Hui said prices for new ECs had been higher than those for resale ECs.

"Being new and with a fresh 99-year leasehold, a new EC typically fetched a higher price than a resale EC," said Mr Ong.

But median prices of resale units rose shot up 25.7 per cent between the fourth quarter of 2010 and the first quarter of 2013, while the median prices of new EC units returned to the price levels of 2010 at $748 psf.

Another reason for the reversal could be the blurred lines between private condos and privatised ECs. After 10 years, all restrictions on ECs are lifted.

Median prices of both types of properties appreciated in tandem over the past 2 1/2 years.

In Jurong East, the median price of Westmere EC shot up at a faster rate of 40.6 per cent than nearby private condo Parc Oasis which jumped 35.8 per cent, both since the last quarter of 2010.

Typically, new EC owners are required to occupy their units for at least five years before selling. The units can be sold only to Singapore citizens or permanent residents from the sixth to 10th year.

Mr Ong also said the location of ECs could be another reason for the record median prices.

For example, Bishan Loft, which no longer faces restrictions and is near Bishan MRT station, exceeded the median price of $1,000 psf in the first quarter.

"Pricing differentials between EC developments are mainly due to location, with those nearer MRT stations and amenities commanding higher prices," he said.

To date, 18 ECs have been launched since 2010, with 8,434 of the 9,130 units on the market sold as of the fourth quarter of 2012.

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Pikachu1245
26-04-13, 13:55
http://www.straitstimes.com/archive/thursday/premium/money/story/prices-resale-ecs-exceed-new-units-pricing-20130425

Prices of resale ECs exceed new units' pricing

Reasons: Glut of new units; blurred lines between privatised ECs, condos

Published on Apr 25, 2013

By Cheryl Ong


IN A surprise development, the median prices of resale executive condominiums (ECs) have exceeded those of new EC units.

This is the first time it has happened since the Government reintroduced ECs - a hybrid of public and private housing - into the market in 2010.

One key reason, according to property consultancy Jones Lang LaSalle, is that a plentiful pipeline of new ECs is keeping the prices of new units in check.

In a report, it said the median price of resale EC units hit a high of $778 per sq ft (psf) in the first quarter, exceeding the median price of $748 psf for new units.

In the first quarter, resale ECs also recorded a rise of 5.4 per cent in median prices from the previous quarter - the biggest spike in the past 21/2 years.

Jones Lang LaSalle Singapore research director Ong Teck Hui said prices for new ECs had been higher than those for resale ECs.

"Being new and with a fresh 99-year leasehold, a new EC typically fetched a higher price than a resale EC," said Mr Ong.

But median prices of resale units rose shot up 25.7 per cent between the fourth quarter of 2010 and the first quarter of 2013, while the median prices of new EC units returned to the price levels of 2010 at $748 psf.

Another reason for the reversal could be the blurred lines between private condos and privatised ECs. After 10 years, all restrictions on ECs are lifted.

Median prices of both types of properties appreciated in tandem over the past 2 1/2 years.

In Jurong East, the median price of Westmere EC shot up at a faster rate of 40.6 per cent than nearby private condo Parc Oasis which jumped 35.8 per cent, both since the last quarter of 2010.

Typically, new EC owners are required to occupy their units for at least five years before selling. The units can be sold only to Singapore citizens or permanent residents from the sixth to 10th year.

Mr Ong also said the location of ECs could be another reason for the record median prices.

For example, Bishan Loft, which no longer faces restrictions and is near Bishan MRT station, exceeded the median price of $1,000 psf in the first quarter.

"Pricing differentials between EC developments are mainly due to location, with those nearer MRT stations and amenities commanding higher prices," he said.

To date, 18 ECs have been launched since 2010, with 8,434 of the 9,130 units on the market sold as of the fourth quarter of 2012.

[email protected]


Not surprising as resale EC is open to more buyers including PR (after 5 years) and Foreigner(after 10 years) with NO INCOME CAP, whereas
New EC is restricted to SC household with INCOME CAP of $12000.

In fact this seems to be a good sign for EC and private property owners as it demonstrates that both private properties and EC is on a steady price appreciation mode in Singapore that will beat inflation.:2cents:

radha08
27-04-13, 03:45
oh oh someone not happy:D

irisng
29-04-13, 15:40
I don't understand at all...... What is there to surprise when resale EC is higher than new EC? Isn't the price for the resale HDB is also higher than new BTO?

kane
29-04-13, 22:59
I don't understand at all...... What is there to surprise when resale EC is higher than new EC? Isn't the price for the resale HDB is also higher than new BTO?

Exactly, if resale cheaper than new. What should the price of btos be?

TMATT
30-04-13, 00:30
more actual meaning are ---
1. Resale EC are almost same prices compare to near by private condo once reach 10yrs!
Example - $500psf (EC) VS $800Psf (PC) in 2006
Now $900Psf (EC ) VS $1100psf (PC)

2. EC owner got potential to earn more profit then private condo buyer. ( of course so far no EC build at CCR & RCR right??)

Not surprise Govt will want to come out new scheme to limit the gain in EC soon :cool:

irisng
30-04-13, 08:26
more actual meaning are ---
1. Resale EC are almost same prices compare to near by private condo once reach 10yrs!
Example - $500psf (EC) VS $800Psf (PC) in 2006
Now $900Psf (EC ) VS $1100psf (PC)

2. EC owner got potential to earn more profit then private condo buyer. ( of course so far no EC build at CCR & RCR right??)

Not surprise Govt will want to come out new scheme to limit the gain in EC soon :cool:

If that's the case, govt should also come out with new scheme to limit the gain in HDB flats too. Don't forget that EC owners are also paying almost the same price as pte condo and yet still restricted by HDB rules for the 1st 5 yrs. Some of the resale HDB prices are so expensive that it is comparable to 1 private condo. So who gain the most?

Example my friend has a 3 room flat, he said his flat can fetch about $400k now which he bought for <$100k 6 yrs back from the resale market. He plans to sell off this flat and top up a bit with his CPF plus some bank loan to buy EC. From 3 room jumps to EC, isn't this more fantastic?

kane
30-04-13, 09:43
Last time new EC discount to new PC is about 100+psf. Nowadays discount is $200-300+psf. Naturally it ends up attracting unwanted attention.

TMATT
30-04-13, 15:23
Haha, differ opinion is good.
(as long you & me don't behave like some lousy forumer here got hidden agenda of anti-govt, talk negative, want everyone to die/market to crash)

sharing -
1. we should feel happy for your friend, a HDB earning $300K and can upgrade to EC with Gym/Swimming Pool/Security etc :D


2. maybe you can join the singapore conversation to suggest your idea of "limit gain in HDB flat".
But 90% will again it, as all stay in HDB :D
I will be one don't agree too. but "some" young people who against Assets Enhance scheme, we should encourage govt to sell them a HDB Flat which only can sell back to HDB, with no profit allow.
Give what they want pls.


3. About "paying same price as PTE Condo", can you share some example?
this new to me. as it usually 20-30% discount!!!

example La Casa at Woodland -
$350 PSF IN JUL 2005 FOR A 1,087-SQFT UNIT
now about $800psf !!! :D

while similiar Pte Condo at North cost about $550psf at 2005 period.
now almost same or little bit higher only.

EC win BIG BIG.
Congrat Them.
but seen got people misuse it, then do change the rule :D



If that's the case, govt should also come out with new scheme to limit the gain in HDB flats too. Don't forget that EC owners are also paying almost the same price as pte condo and yet still restricted by HDB rules for the 1st 5 yrs. Some of the resale HDB prices are so expensive that it is comparable to 1 private condo. So who gain the most?

Example my friend has a 3 room flat, he said his flat can fetch about $400k now which he bought for <$100k 6 yrs back from the resale market. He plans to sell off this flat and top up a bit with his CPF plus some bank loan to buy EC. From 3 room jumps to EC, isn't this more fantastic?

zzz1
30-04-13, 15:44
in anticipation of this EC CM, if any, the whole policy and the CMs are just like doing a patch up jobs..leak here patch here, leak there patch there..

As a whole, the market is just too dynamic for policy to act as a tool.

To fix the problems in return to make certain group of ppl happy will make other group fell other wise... i think is more of making the policy maker popular/unpopular depend on which is the bigger ratio.

talk about lower housing cost, big portion come from the land cost, construction cost , administrative cost then the profit margin...

as long as land & const cost don come down, we can only talk about stabilizing the transaction but will not bring down the property...these are the fix premium...

irisng
30-04-13, 16:52
1. we should feel happy for your friend, a HDB earning $300K and can upgrade to EC with Gym/Swimming Pool/Security etc :D

Yes, in fact I feel happy for anyone who can upgrade their flats to either EC or private irregardless whether they are my friends or not.:cheers5:

Another of my friend also sold his 3 rooms flat in AMK and bought a 4 rooms BTO in Punggol. He is able to pay all and still have balance but of course he never do that lah.



2. maybe you can join the singapore conversation to suggest your idea of "limit gain in HDB flat".

Aiyoh, I feel shy leh, everytime get tongue tight when I see so many people.:ashamed1:

Is not that I want to limit gain in HDB flat. It has nothing to do with me but since if govt wants to control the profit margin, then must be fair lah. How can let 3 rooms flat owners earn more according to market value while EC owners has to limit their earnings, don't forget that EC owners paid more interest on bank loan + stamp duties + mtce fees (of course because of the facilities) and share of sinking fund to repair their own buildings etc. And bear that in mind, not all 3 rooms flat owners are low-income earners, some of them have pte ppty too.



We should encourage govt to sell them a HDB Flat which only can sell back to HDB, with no profit allow.

Actually I don't quite agree although the initial idea of HDB is for people to stay and not to make money (but now it seems to become a making money tools) that's why later HDB imposed a levy for the 2nd timers and I'm one of them kenna being hit for purchasing the EC, I have to pay back HDB about $100k. Should I add this to my cost if I want to sell my EC? You earn yours and we earns ours, what is there to be jealous of? Have a roof over the head is considered very fortunate already, still not happy with people making money. What got to do with them?

Now no more levy for 2nd timers to buy EC + increase in salary ceiling to $12k, no wonder the sales for the EC is so good nowadays.



3. About "paying same price as PTE Condo", can you share some example?

I did not really go and study about the price difference. I only know that my friend bought a brand new pte condo somewhere near my price and the price is even cheaper than ours but floor areas is slightly smaller lor.



EC win BIG BIG.
Congrat Them.

Not only EC win BIG BIG. Should be everybody WIN BIG BIG (HDB/EC/PTE CONDO/LANDED PPTY]:cheers4: . Nothing to be jealous about leh, should be envy only, why some people can earn big big while others cannot, that's life.

delirious_jeff
30-04-13, 17:29
Assume interest rate of 2.5% pa,

EC...
For 500k loan, 30 years tenure, monthly payment is approx 2k. And after 30 long years of debt repayment, the cumulative interest shall be approx 200k.

HDB in same area as EC...
For 250k loan, with monthly payment of 2k, the loan shall be cleared after 12 years and the cumulative interest amount up to approx 40k.

There must be a lot of rich parents helping pay off their children's first EC purchase...

DKSG
30-04-13, 17:50
Assume interest rate of 2.5% pa,

EC...
For 500k loan, 30 years tenure, monthly payment is approx 2k. And after 30 long years of debt repayment, the cumulative interest shall be approx 200k.

HDB in same area as EC...
For 250k loan, with monthly payment of 2k, the loan shall be cleared after 12 years and the cumulative interest amount up to approx 40k.

There must be a lot of rich parents helping pay off their children's first EC purchase...

I not very sure about EC, but this is true to PC.
There are many many many parents paying for the kids purchases because the parents got CM-ed out of the market, so use their kids name to play.

Win win for all. Parents get the kick of circumventing the CM, kids get the first bite of their parents inheritence. We can just hope that all end well, else we will have a lot of family issues in the next 10 years with respect to this plan.

The new age kids, I think got lesser reservations about robbing their parents of their life savings.

DKSG

irisng
30-04-13, 18:33
Win win for all. Parents get the kick of circumventing the CM, kids get the first bite of their parents inheritence. We can just hope that all end well, else we will have a lot of family issues in the next 10 years with respect to this plan.

Ya, just hope that by then, the grown up kids and the parents need not have to go to the court to fight for the right of their property. But parents, if you are prepared to pay for your kids, you must be prepared to give it to them.:2cents: