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mcmlxxvi
08-01-13, 16:10
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/12999496/for-sale-1-loft

evergreen
08-01-13, 21:21
What an ugly design :scared-4:

azeoprop
08-01-13, 22:04
At first I thought it is a warehouse or factory space for sale.... :doh:

Kanarazu
08-01-13, 22:39
Looks a bit like space@kovan design. Maybe same architect.

bargain hunter
09-01-13, 14:04
its an insult to REAL lofts to call itself the NUMBER 1 LOFT. :ashamed1:

irisng
09-01-13, 16:10
its an insult to REAL lofts to call itself the NUMBER 1 LOFT. :ashamed1:

Is it the unit number is 1, so they call it No.1 Lofts.

bargain hunter
09-01-13, 16:28
ok lah, they are smart to think of this. :)

otherwise, if like the others, one leicester, one devonshire etc etc, it will have to be called one geylang. :ashamed1:


Is it the unit number is 1, so they call it No.1 Lofts.

mcmlxxvi
09-01-13, 20:26
At least they use # instead of @ which is seen ad nauseum

price
15-01-13, 19:36
this project has got a very interesting lay out.

They claim to have 4-keys units.

Went for their "launch". Basically they are selling 3 bedders with attached bathrooms each room. Living room can also be converted into a 4th bedroom. Definitely a place for the chickens to rent!

Desperado1967
04-02-13, 15:28
Come 2015 no more chicken liao!:p

fiat500
04-02-13, 16:42
Come 2015 no more chicken liao!:p
Why not? Maybe even more cos of population increment over the years u need more of these sex workers to keep up with demands.. :D

siewsphone
05-02-13, 10:05
Yes or No. I think those Geylang chicken shop is struggling to survive in fighting High Rental, High license fee now.

They can not anyhow increase the price to pass the cost to customer right? They also facing more and more underground competitors which are running at lower cost on-line.






Why not? Maybe even more cos of population increment over the years u need more of these sex workers to keep up with demands.. :D

JAFCO
05-02-13, 10:18
U got a point if there is other legal means to push the brothels out of geylang without triggering outlash.

But the point is with more ft there is still demand. Unless its filled u end up like india with all its rapist...

babyt
05-02-13, 22:42
i m one of the first 10 buyers for this project :D

purpose is to buy to stay, rental and sales are secondary.

buttercarp
05-02-13, 22:53
i m one of the first 10 buyers for this project :D

purpose is to buy to stay, rental and sales are secondary.

Congrats on your buy, baby!
The area is very convenient.
I like it as it is near nicoll highway n easy to get to town.
Is the showflat ready yet?
Btw... the 3 bedder has 2 floors and each floor has a loft, right?

RCT
05-02-13, 22:53
How much did u pay?

babyt
06-02-13, 05:16
i brought when the showroom is not ready but had a walk thru at the lower floor and the upper floor wasnt accessible due to the construction ladder but it looks ok. Its the layout that interests me.

unlike typical loft whereby u can look down and see ur living room from ur upper bedroom, this one looks like a 2 storey house design. although small area, the way bedroom is located at upper level via the stair make the house feels 'big'.

i got the penthouse corner unit at a discount for first 10 buyers. about 680K after discount. penthouse is an open terrace balcony and where can u afford to get a top floor open balcony at less than 700k freehold very close to city?

nevermind the hooker issue, i brought primarily to stay first so its very convenient.

babyt
06-02-13, 05:34
Congrats on your buy, baby!
The area is very convenient.
I like it as it is near nicoll highway n easy to get to town.
Is the showflat ready yet?
Btw... the 3 bedder has 2 floors and each floor has a loft, right?

actually all the units regardless 1 bed or 3 beds do not look like typical loft layout. more like a 2 storeys house aka masionette.

JAFCO
07-02-13, 13:50
Come 2015 no more chicken liao!:p


why u say that bro...?

babyt
08-02-13, 13:38
went down today to collect docs from my agent.

the showroom is now accessible. they are still doing some deco touchup but overall, very impressive to me.

babyt
08-02-13, 13:57
Showroom based on 52sqm. For my penthouse, I will get a bigger open balcony by the edge of the bed.

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mcmlxxvi
14-02-13, 07:43
Showflat is nicely done, I like the color theme also.

But truly regrettable is the high volume VOID space area, it's above kitchen. Not enjoyable like if it's above the living area.

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/7/9/d/a/79da4a30936312_1_V550.jpg

And the sheer number of units per level makes it like a hotel format. 1 lift? Would be crazy if so. No offense.

Price is really attractive though.

S$ 645,000
S$ 1,151.79 psf (built-up)
560 sqft / 52 sqm (built-up)

It's a good value buy.

babyt
14-02-13, 08:30
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/20130208122019.jpg/


the void is actually the space between the 2 storeys by the staircase. 6.2m high. (was told by agent the height is 6.2m)

i am wondering if I can do anything with it there. Maybe build shelving? or hang a chandelier? :beats-me-man:

mcmlxxvi
14-02-13, 08:50
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/20130208122019.jpg/


the void is actually the space between the 2 storeys by the staircase. 6.2m high. (was told by agent the height is 6.2m)

i am wondering if I can do anything with it there. Maybe build shelving? or hang a chandelier? :beats-me-man:

Yeah, I meant high CEILING void. Haha... well you could. But a chandelier above a kitchenette would be a bit too pompous, no?

Maybe a special art piece decoratif, eg. long designer spiral feature... LOL

triple70
14-02-13, 09:08
http://sgbluechip.blogspot.sg/2013/02/a-visit-to-1-loft-at-geylang_10.html

babyt
14-02-13, 11:49
that blogger posted mostly negative amatuerish review. i dont take it seriously.

and fyi, i think the photos he posted on his blog look like the one i have taken. :tongue3:

leesg123
14-02-13, 12:50
that blogger posted mostly negative amatuerish review. i dont take it seriously.

and fyi, i think the photos he posted on his blog look like the one i have taken. :tongue3:that blogger is more of stock type of person, rather than property.

price
14-02-13, 14:10
- Cheap financing. The list price of a 1 bedroom unit is about 780k, or about $1392 PSF (560 sq ft build up area). Buyers need to pay 5% cash, 5% CPF. The developer will pay for you 78k upon completion and you can take up a 80% loan from UOB or Singapura Finance. This means I only need to pay $39k cash and $39k CPF, developer will pay remaining 78k cash for me!!! Effectively, I am obtaining a 90% loan! Innovative!

Does that mean the 10% paid by the developer act as a form of "cash" discount?

Anyone can confirm that this is a SC global project? :beats-me-man:

babyt
14-02-13, 14:25
The project is by SL Cheong and was tot to be the uncle of SC Global Simon Cheong?

the developer will pay 10% of the 15% u need to pay when signing the sales agreement. they will issue the 10% cheque directly to developer's account on behalf for buyer after conditions have been met such as 5% out of 15% paid and stamp duty paid as well (if i remb the t&c on my copy).

That blogger either got his info wrong or his case is different from mine. :D

price
14-02-13, 14:33
The project is by SL Cheong and was tot to be the uncle of SC Global Simon Cheong?

the developer will pay 10% of the 15% u need to pay when signing the sales agreement. they will issue the 10% cheque directly to developer's account on behalf for buyer after conditions have been met such as 5% out of 15% paid and stamp duty paid as well (if i remb the t&c on my copy).

That blogger either got his info wrong or his case is different from mine. :D

Wow, if this is true i think we will see this developer getting clamped down by the authorities real soon! 80% LTV to 90% now!?:scared-1:

I've never heard of Simon Cheong's uncle

leesg123
14-02-13, 14:41
Wow, if this is true i think we will see this developer getting clamped down by the authorities real soon! 80% LTV to 90% now!?:scared-1:

I've never heard of Simon Cheong's uncle
The 10% given by developer is angbao right?

babyt
14-02-13, 14:43
check w the agent and find out more lah.

me first time property buyer...dunno all the jargons. all i know is i got 10% discount for being first 10 buyers.

hopeful
14-02-13, 15:16
check w the agent and find out more lah.

me first time property buyer...dunno all the jargons. all i know is i got 10% discount for being first 10 buyers.

how much loan did you take? 80% of the amounted stated n the S&P?

babyt
14-02-13, 15:18
i took less than 80% loan.

triple70
14-02-13, 16:05
check w the agent and find out more lah.

me first time property buyer...dunno all the jargons. all i know is i got 10% discount for being first 10 buyers.

Propertyguru lists units at ard $1150psf.
Was yr contracted price 10% lower than $1150psf or was it ard 10% higher?

Either way.. it's a very good deal.

rockster
15-02-13, 22:34
1. you are definitely an agent and not a buyer from the way you articulated... many of your posts and your other colleagues (you guys know who you are) are giving tell tales signs...

2. i believe the sales wasn't good that's why you guys are here to create this smoke screen. (I was there last week and the Vstar sole agent said around 5 sold, how could it be 10???) Should synchronize among you guys lah..

3. SC Global related development are you trying to tell us? Please lah... You see the showflat and the "quality" finishing... It's obviously another chicken farm cum industrial look alike...



The project is by SL Cheong and was tot to be the uncle of SC Global Simon Cheong?

the developer will pay 10% of the 15% u need to pay when signing the sales agreement. they will issue the 10% cheque directly to developer's account on behalf for buyer after conditions have been met such as 5% out of 15% paid and stamp duty paid as well (if i remb the t&c on my copy).

That blogger either got his info wrong or his case is different from mine. :D

price
15-02-13, 23:41
1. you are definitely an agent and not a buyer from the way you articulated... many of your posts and your other colleagues (you guys know who you are) are giving tell tales signs...

2. i believe the sales wasn't good that's why you guys are here to create this smoke screen. (I was there last week and the Vstar sole agent said around 5 sold, how could it be 10???) Should synchronize among you guys lah..

3. SC Global related development are you trying to tell us? Please lah... You see the showflat and the "quality" finishing... It's obviously another chicken farm cum industrial look alike...
Vstar is one of the worse agency I've ever come across

babyt
16-02-13, 07:06
1. you are definitely an agent and not a buyer from the way you articulated... many of your posts and your other colleagues (you guys know who you are) are giving tell tales signs...

2. i believe the sales wasn't good that's why you guys are here to create this smoke screen. (I was there last week and the Vstar sole agent said around 5 sold, how could it be 10???) Should synchronize among you guys lah..

3. SC Global related development are you trying to tell us? Please lah... You see the showflat and the "quality" finishing... It's obviously another chicken farm cum industrial look alike...

LOL Dont be a smart alec. I am not an agent and am buyer. Oh so I articulated so well? Maybe i should be an agent for my next job.

not sure why u r saying that. maybe the agent smoked me for saying 10 units sold as well? I was the 3rd buyer for this development so there is no need for me to be concern how many units are sold after me. PROOF THAT IM AN AGENT. :doh:

Utterly im disgusted by how me, a buyer, was accused to be an agent for sharing actively in this thread maybe because im the only buyer here talking actively. i buy to stay not for investment so there is no need to bad mouth anything n anyone.

I also joined this forum recently because I saw a thread on this project and tot I may meet other buyers as well.

Freaking disgusting by some forummer behavior here. Dont act smart can already. :tongue3:

If i can do a screenshots of my OTP and Sales agreement, ARE U GOING TO TAKE BACK UR WORDS?? :tongue3:

zeamybro
16-02-13, 07:28
Babyt - pls do not get too over agitated by comments made on the forum. Many of us here have experienced all kinds of shitty comments on the forum. Just take the comments as a pinch of salt, while continue to enjoy the other more fruitful discussions here.

mcmlxxvi
16-02-13, 07:33
If people want to hear only what they like to hear, my advice is please go elsewhere or talk to yourselves.

Otherwise it really defeats the purpose of a forum - OPEN discussion. No holds barred. If this forum starts being moderated, I'm gonna be the first outta here.

buttercarp
16-02-13, 13:35
Just back from showflat.
Nice concept.
Ceiling height is 6.5 m.
So the loft does not feel like a loft but a real level !
There are 2 bathrooms on each level which is wonderful!

Downside is the 1+1 560 sq ft units face west (Lorong 24).

Agent said buyers pay a 5% booking fee, next 15% - buyer pays 5%, developer pays 10%.

According to him, this is valid for the first 15 units today only and that the previous buyers actually pay more than the first 15 buyers to today.

LOL.... babyt bought earlier, he also got discount, right, baby?

zeamybro
16-02-13, 13:38
If people want to hear only what they like to hear, my advice is please go elsewhere or talk to yourselves.

Otherwise it really defeats the purpose of a forum - OPEN discussion. No holds barred. If this forum starts being moderated, I'm gonna be the first outta here.

Mcm, lol .... I know u meant well, but don't be so harsh to a newbie la, he/she's just a baby ok? :ashamed1:

yowetan
16-02-13, 13:47
Just back from showflat.
Nice concept.
Ceiling height is 6.5 m.
So the loft does not feel like a loft but a real level !
There are 2 bathrooms on each level which is wonderful!

Downside is the 1+1 560 sq ft units face west (Lorong 24).

Agent said buyers pay a 5% booking fee, next 15% - buyer pays 5%, developer pays 10%.

According to him, this is valid for the first 15 units today only and that the previous buyers actually pay more than the first 15 buyers to today.

LOL.... babyt bought earlier, he also got discount, right, baby?

Hi...you never take pictures?

What do you mean buyer pays 5% and developer ensue with another 10%? Also, what is the cheapest price?

yowetan
16-02-13, 13:49
LOL Dont be a smart alec. I am not an agent and am buyer. Oh so I articulated so well? Maybe i should be an agent for my next job.

not sure why u r saying that. maybe the agent smoked me for saying 10 units sold as well? I was the 3rd buyer for this development so there is no need for me to be concern how many units are sold after me. PROOF THAT IM AN AGENT. :doh:

Utterly im disgusted by how me, a buyer, was accused to be an agent for sharing actively in this thread maybe because im the only buyer here talking actively. i buy to stay not for investment so there is no need to bad mouth anything n anyone.

I also joined this forum recently because I saw a thread on this project and tot I may meet other buyers as well.

Freaking disgusting by some forummer behavior here. Dont act smart can already. :tongue3:

If i can do a screenshots of my OTP and Sales agreement, ARE U GOING TO TAKE BACK UR WORDS?? :tongue3:


Is this place very near to geylang? Are you fine with all the hanky stuffs around the area?

buttercarp
16-02-13, 14:08
Hi...you never take pictures?

What do you mean buyer pays 5% and developer ensue with another 10%? Also, what is the cheapest price?

Went alone, so agent talking to me and hard to take pictures.
Anyway, it is so small and nothing much to take pictures.
Booking fee 5%
Next 15 % = 5% buyer pays, 10% developer pays for it (developer absorbs it).

I did not enquire much about the 3 BR unit but the smallest ones are sold out.
The next smallest 3 BR available is the 1012 sq ft.
Agent said it is about 1.2 mil.

The cheapest 1+1 unit available is $726 800 on the second floor west facing ie facing lorong 24.

price
16-02-13, 14:09
Just back from showflat.
Nice concept.
Ceiling height is 6.5 m.
So the loft does not feel like a loft but a real level !
There are 2 bathrooms on each level which is wonderful!

Downside is the 1+1 560 sq ft units face west (Lorong 24).

Agent said buyers pay a 5% booking fee, next 15% - buyer pays 5%, developer pays 10%.

According to him, this is valid for the first 15 units today only and that the previous buyers actually pay more than the first 15 buyers to today.

LOL.... babyt bought earlier, he also got discount, right, baby?So the 10%will act as an additional discount from the list price? How is the developer going to guarantee this? Also, are they really sc global? :eek:

price
16-02-13, 14:12
Vstar agents are simply amazing! He was trying to tell you today is the best time to buy because the prices are even cheaper than the earlier buyers?! Doesn't that make early buyers fools. I wonder what's so special today. SC's birthday? :D :cheers6:

yowetan
16-02-13, 14:15
Went alone, so agent talking to me and hard to take pictures.
Anyway, it is so small and nothing much to take pictures.
Booking fee 5%
Next 15 % = 5% buyer pays, 10% developer pays for it (developer absorbs it).

I did not enquire much about the 3 BR unit but the smallest ones are sold out.
The next smallest 3 BR available is the 1012 sq ft.
Agent said it is about 1.2 mil.

The cheapest 1+1 unit available is $726 800 on the second floor west facing ie facing lorong 24.

How big is the 1+1 unit then?

I believe it is sitting inside geylang area. Whores are everywhere.

buttercarp
16-02-13, 14:21
How big is the 1+1 unit then?

I believe it is sitting inside geylang area. Whores are everywhere.

The smallest is 560 sq ft.
Front of development face west (Lorong 24), back units and swimming pool face east (lorong 24 A).

I drove through the 2 lorongs.
Got girls in revealing attire standing around.

According to the agent, the red light district is shrinking as more developers are buying up the old houses to build new ones.
And for this project, there a quite a few banks willing to loan the necessary amount.

buttercarp
16-02-13, 14:23
So the 10%will act as an additional discount from the list price? How is the developer going to guarantee this? Also, are they really sc global? :eek:

There is no discount from the listed price (strange isn't it?)
The discount is the 10% the developer is going to absorb.

yowetan
16-02-13, 14:29
Hi...in short there is no discount at all then.

babyt
16-02-13, 15:34
i was told the first 10 will get 10% but looks like its applied to everyone now LOL. I know it could be a gimmick to make me sign asap but since i get to choose the corner unit and i m comfortable w the price im paying, so i brought it. as im not an investor but buying my first property to stay, i think its ok for me w the location, price and layout. I dont like the industrial looking warehouse look but i like the layout lor.

the units either face E or W (due to lorong layout) but the E faces paya lebar and the W faces city so I rather endure the W sun and go for W side. i really hope i can see the city from 9th storey of my balcony.

buttercarp
16-02-13, 15:54
The units facing east face a row of conservation houses, so the view will not be blocked for the higher floors.

The west facing unit will face Lorong 24 directly.

zeamybro
16-02-13, 16:55
The discount started before cny, so I guess the earlier buyers didn't enjoy that discount, but I suspect they bought at even lower listed prices? Anyway the discount is still on-going ....

Overall quite comfortable with the layout but not with lor 24. But thanks to the neighboring brothels and seedy environment, otherwise u can't get a city fringe project at this price.

babyt
16-02-13, 16:58
The units facing east face a row of conservation houses, so the view will not be blocked for the higher floors.

The west facing unit will face Lorong 24 directly.

i was thinking the west side facing the lower lorongs does not have very high buildings so just try my luck hopefully can see some city from my open balcony. :beats-me-man:

since the combined height is about 6.2m for 2 storeys, they are quite high even for 1 storey...so hopefully their 9 storey is taller than standard.

yowetan
16-02-13, 17:27
i was thinking the west side facing the lower lorongs does not have very high buildings so just try my luck hopefully can see some city from my open balcony. :beats-me-man:

since the combined height is about 6.2m for 2 storeys, they are quite high even for 1 storey...so hopefully their 9 storey is taller than standard.

Hi...possible to ask your agent to offer a lower price?

sh
16-02-13, 17:41
Went alone, so agent talking to me and hard to take pictures.
Anyway, it is so small and nothing much to take pictures.
Booking fee 5%
Next 15 % = 5% buyer pays, 10% developer pays for it (developer absorbs it).

I did not enquire much about the 3 BR unit but the smallest ones are sold out.
The next smallest 3 BR available is the 1012 sq ft.
Agent said it is about 1.2 mil.

The cheapest 1+1 unit available is $726 800 on the second floor west facing ie facing lorong 24.

So the caveat price is the full price but you actually pay 90%. Bank loan will be based on full price? Is this legal ?

If like this also can, developer can mark up price 100%, then pay 50%. 60% LTV become 80%.... Whatever CM also no use...:beats-me-man:

price
16-02-13, 19:35
So the caveat price is the full price but you actually pay 90%. Bank loan will be based on full price? Is this legal ?

If like this also can, developer can mark up price 100%, then pay 50%. 60% LTV become 80%.... Whatever CM also no use...:beats-me-man:
Imo definitely not legal. You are supposed to declare all cash discounts when taking up a loan

buttercarp
16-02-13, 19:59
So the caveat price is the full price but you actually pay 90%. Bank loan will be based on full price? Is this legal ?

If like this also can, developer can mark up price 100%, then pay 50%. 60% LTV become 80%.... Whatever CM also no use...:beats-me-man:

Agent say no discount.
But developer help u pay the 10%.
So he says it is legal.
It is as though u buy a house n a fren help u pay.

mcmlxxvi
17-02-13, 09:21
Mcm, lol .... I know u meant well, but don't be so harsh to a newbie la, he/she's just a baby ok? :ashamed1:

It's not meant for him only... is for anyone who say 'must only say nice things' in a forum.

price
17-02-13, 12:04
Agent say no discount.
But developer help u pay the 10%.
So he says it is legal.
It is as though u buy a house n a fren help u pay.
I doubt it is legal.. any authorities we can check with? :confused:

babyt
17-02-13, 12:20
It's not meant for him only... is for anyone who say 'must only say nice things' in a forum.

if he want to comment anything about 1 loft, so be it but not when i contributed to the thread and he accused me of being an agent. accusation of me being agent , what does it got to do w saying nice things or not? :beats-me-man:

sh
17-02-13, 12:46
I doubt it is legal.. any authorities we can check with? :confused:

Where's our resident whistle-blower?:D

buttercarp
17-02-13, 12:59
I doubt it is legal.. any authorities we can check with? :confused:

Perhaps this is a loophole.

If the developer did not give the buyer a discount, then the LTV will be based on the buying price.
However, if you are given a discount on the buying price and did not declare it, then it is illegal.

Later as the progressive payment begins, as long as you have the means to pay, the payment can be from yourself, your friend or other sources, as long as it meets the current criteria.

This is how I interpret it.
Better to check with the relevant authority.

price
17-02-13, 14:23
Perhaps this is a loophole.

If the developer did not give the buyer a discount, then the LTV will be based on the buying price.
However, if you are given a discount on the buying price and did not declare it, then it is illegal.

Later as the progressive payment begins, as long as you have the means to pay, the payment can be from yourself, your friend or other sources, as long as it meets the current criteria.

This is how I interpret it.
Better to check with the relevant authority.

But in this case, things may turn quite serious. 2nd time buyers affected by the 50% LTV may one day be set off by such deals. Developer paying 30%?

In a way the developer has added this 10% into the purchase price of the unit. It is like a scenario where you are actually borrowing your own future money.

bargain hunter
17-02-13, 14:56
taken from:

http://www.asiaone.com/Business/My+Money/Property/Story/A1Story20071228-42817.html


The star purchased 1 Neil Road from a firm owned by Mr S. L. Cheong, which also owns the 1 Nassim Road property leased to Chan.

Mr Cheong, the uncle of SC Global chief Simon Cheong, also sold Chan The 50s entertainment complex on Tanjong Pagar Road for $8.8 million in 1996.


but i don't see any link whatsoever with SC Global other than that. :D cannot use (ruin) the SC Global name at all i feel.

irisng
17-02-13, 17:30
I think there are someone in this forum from media or govt body. Remember the case about the back-dated date for the CM7, after discussing here, relevant authority check on it, don't know whether their source is from here or elsewhere :confused:. If this is the case, I think next time, people with any good "illegal" lobang will not dare to share here "publicly", otherwise indirectly, they are getting themselves into trouble and also might affect others, this is my :2cents: , no offence, pls.

I think if the developers give discount to the buyer and declare the value after the discount, then it is not illegal because that's the actual SP but again, if the developer declare the net selling price, then the psf will be lower, will this affect the ppty market?

leesg123
17-02-13, 21:27
So the caveat price is the full price but you actually pay 90%. Bank loan will be based on full price? Is this legal ?

If like this also can, developer can mark up price 100%, then pay 50%. 60% LTV become 80%.... Whatever CM also no use...:beats-me-man:But the ABSD + BSD will based on the marked up value, very xiong.

yowetan
17-02-13, 22:32
I think there are someone in this forum from media or govt body. Remember the case about the back-dated date for the CM7, after discussing here, relevant authority check on it, don't know whether their source is from here or elsewhere :confused:. If this is the case, I think next time, people with any good "illegal" lobang will not dare to share here "publicly", otherwise indirectly, they are getting themselves into trouble and also might affect others, this is my :2cents: , no offence, pls.

I think if the developers give discount to the buyer and declare the value after the discount, then it is not illegal because that's the actual SP but again, if the developer declare the net selling price, then the psf will be lower, will this affect the ppty market?

Hi...It's me; I just whistleblew yesterday.

mcmlxxvi
18-02-13, 10:02
if he want to comment anything about 1 loft, so be it but not when i contributed to the thread and he accused me of being an agent. accusation of me being agent , what does it got to do w saying nice things or not? :beats-me-man:

Ok la. Let it go man. Open forum - everyone can say whatever they want.

Remember.

You can't control what others think or say.
But - you can control whether/how you react.

mcmlxxvi
18-02-13, 12:24
# 1 LOFT LORONG 24 GEYLANG Apartment 1 778,480 592 Strata 1,315 Jan-13
# 1 LOFT LORONG 24 GEYLANG Apartment 1 778,480 592 Strata 1,315 Jan-13

Two sold - exact same price.

price
18-02-13, 12:49
# 1 LOFT LORONG 24 GEYLANG Apartment 1 778,480 592 Strata 1,315 Jan-13
# 1 LOFT LORONG 24 GEYLANG Apartment 1 778,480 592 Strata 1,315 Jan-13

Two sold - exact same price.
you need lots of guts to be buying this project i feel

irisng
18-02-13, 21:58
Hi...It's me; I just whistleblew yesterday.

You are very honest.:cheers6:

mcmlxxvi
19-02-13, 08:16
you need lots of guts to be buying this project i feel

In what sense? Becoz Jln Suka Suka chicken cum is just ard the corner?
Or...? It's designed like multi-level chicken coops?

How it turns out, the owners will have a direct impact on it. If owners don't rent out cheap and are selective in their tenant choice, it should turn out well.

If not, it will become The Sail of Geylang.

The above actually applies more or less to ANY project. Big or small, new or old.

price
19-02-13, 12:08
In what sense? Becoz Jln Suka Suka chicken cum is just ard the corner?
Or...? It's designed like multi-level chicken coops?

How it turns out, the owners will have a direct impact on it. If owners don't rent out cheap and are selective in their tenant choice, it should turn out well.

If not, it will become The Sail of Geylang.

The above actually applies more or less to ANY project. Big or small, new or old.
yep, u gotta try walking in lor 24 during midnight to experience what one is getting into when buying this project :D :cheers6:

buttercarp
20-02-13, 01:18
yep, u gotta try walking in lor 24 during midnight to experience what one is getting into when buying this project :D :cheers6:

Hi price.... u still in xmas mood from your signature!
Guys walking there is fine..... but for gals it is no good.
I drove thru that lorong.
Can't imagine what I would have done if my car broke down there.

irisng
20-02-13, 07:12
You are very honest.:cheers6:

Oops... should be you are very honest to confess.

irisng
20-02-13, 07:19
Hi price.... u still in xmas mood from your signature!
Guys walking there is fine..... but for gals it is no good.
I drove thru that lorong.
Can't imagine what I would have done if my car broke down there.

I'm not trying to talk bad about the ppty in this Lorong but really, my husband accompanied me to Lor 24 to have a walk at about 9pm few months back (I think before enbloc), so many people there (you know whom I meant), I feel a bit uneasy too. But maybe with so many enbloc and new apartments coming up, vice might get lesser and lesser, just hope for it.

siewsphone
20-02-13, 08:25
I'm not trying to talk bad about the ppty in this Lorong but really, my husband accompanied me to Lor 24 to have a walk at about 9pm few months back (I think before enbloc), so many people there (you know whom I meant), I feel a bit uneasy too. But maybe with so many enbloc and new apartments coming up, vice might get lesser and lesser, just hope for it.

For this issue, I think lorong 30 and above are not so bad right?

babyt
20-02-13, 08:31
once i move in, i will update u guys on the surrounding :D

less ppl buy better, i can use the pool myself.

zeamybro
20-02-13, 08:45
Very interesting layouts ... Converting the living room into a bedroom:

1) 1BR can be converted to a 2BR (both en-suites)
2) 3BR can be converted to a 4BR (all en-suites)

Seems like developer is advantagarde and trying to promote something 'new age' in Geylang :cheers1:


http://i49.tinypic.com/117tfug.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/13zak3d.jpg

Cupcakes
20-02-13, 08:47
I'm not trying to talk bad about the ppty in this Lorong but really, my husband accompanied me to Lor 24 to have a walk at about 9pm few months back (I think before enbloc), so many people there (you know whom I meant), I feel a bit uneasy too. But maybe with so many enbloc and new apartments coming up, vice might get lesser and lesser, just hope for it.
no need wait till 9pm, morning also the same.:simmering:

babyt
20-02-13, 09:00
i am wondering if cheap whores have the class n money to rent loft to do business?

its just not feasible since at most they can only convert 2 bedrooms only!

along Lorong 24, other than 1Loft, there is also Edenz Loft and 2 other projects (Octet and Residence 1) listed in map.gov.sg but i cant find info on them.

irisng
20-02-13, 14:30
Very interesting layouts ... Converting the living room into a bedroom:

1) 1BR can be converted to a 2BR (both en-suites)
2) 3BR can be converted to a 4BR (all en-suites)

Seems like developer is advantagarde and trying to promote something 'new age' in Geylang :cheers1:


http://i49.tinypic.com/117tfug.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/13zak3d.jpg

Type B4 looks ok to me, very neat layout.

irisng
20-02-13, 14:35
no need wait till 9pm, morning also the same.:simmering:

Is it? I went there almost every weekend to look at my UC apartment:D , Lor 24 looks quite quiet in the morning leh. In fact the whole stretch of Geylang Road also looks quiet.

irisng
20-02-13, 14:42
For this issue, I think lorong 30 and above are not so bad right?

No, must say from Lorong 26 onwards because I bought a unit at Lorong 28, haha.:D Now even Lorong 24 also has enbloc, hope that enbloc can continue to go on in Geylang, hopefully that vice can get lesser and lesser. :p BUT PLEASE, never sell to the "OKT" to run the "business", if not vice will be even more. Should set a rule that apartments are for staying and not for "business".

leesg123
20-02-13, 15:31
i am wondering if cheap whores have the class n money to rent loft to do business?

its just not feasible since at most they can only convert 2 bedrooms only!

along Lorong 24, other than 1Loft, there is also Edenz Loft and 2 other projects (Octet and Residence 1) listed in map.gov.sg but i cant find info on them.Actually they do. pardon my honest opinion. if i were to buy one, those ladies would be my target. imagine it rented to them a high of $3000 per month. Each room is about $50 per DAY! Very worth to them! They charge $100 /60min/1 and market themselves as including room! More worth than book at the hotel that goes by hour.

babyt
20-02-13, 15:33
why would OKT buy loft units to do business, just sound very unlikely.

if im OKT, i rather buy a terrace unit and convert the space inside into many smaller cubicles.

i have a fren who stays at CASA at lorong 26. before TOP, ppl were commenting the same things on Geylang and whores...but unfortunately, he said the residents who are staying there now are not whores.

leesg123
20-02-13, 16:00
why would OKT buy loft units to do business, just sound very unlikely.

if im OKT, i rather buy a terrace unit and convert the space inside into many smaller cubicles.

i have a fren who stays at CASA at lorong 26. before TOP, ppl were commenting the same things on Geylang and whores...but unfortunately, he said the residents who are staying there now are not whores.haha 'unfortunately', nice one!

no, no, not OKT buy. OKT rent from owner.

leesg123
20-02-13, 16:18
haha 'unfortunately', nice one!

no, no, not OKT buy. OKT rent from owner.Actually i got think of buying a unit, as the rental yield will be excellent!

siewsphone
20-02-13, 17:34
You are referring legal OKT with license right? As what I know those underground OKT prefer to rent room from hotel and keep moving to different room or location to prevent kena catch.


why would OKT buy loft units to do business, just sound very unlikely.

if im OKT, i rather buy a terrace unit and convert the space inside into many smaller cubicles.

i have a fren who stays at CASA at lorong 26. before TOP, ppl were commenting the same things on Geylang and whores...but unfortunately, he said the residents who are staying there now are not whores.

price
20-02-13, 17:59
Hi price.... u still in xmas mood from your signature!
Guys walking there is fine..... but for gals it is no good.
I drove thru that lorong.
Can't imagine what I would have done if my car broke down there.
hihi, waiting for u to design a new 1!

leesg123
20-02-13, 19:26
You are referring legal OKT with license right? As what I know those underground OKT prefer to rent room from hotel and keep moving to different room or location to prevent kena catch.underground one they rent anything and everything!

irisng
20-02-13, 19:30
why would OKT buy loft units to do business, just sound very unlikely.

if im OKT, i rather buy a terrace unit and convert the space inside into many smaller cubicles.

i have a fren who stays at CASA at lorong 26. before TOP, ppl were commenting the same things on Geylang and whores...but unfortunately, he said the residents who are staying there now are not whores.

Ya, I have checked the website on some of the apartments in Geylang, majority of the buyers are Singaporeans, the small portion are PR and foreigners.

Your friend should consider himself/herself lucky to have no whores neighbours. Buying Geylang ppty not necessary must rent to whores, they will dirty the place and spoil the reputation of the apartments + complains from neighbours.:tsk-tsk:

leesg123
20-02-13, 20:37
Ya, I have checked the website on some of the apartments in Geylang, majority of the buyers are Singaporeans, the small portion are PR and foreigners.

Your friend should consider himself/herself lucky to have no whores neighbours. Buying Geylang ppty not necessary must rent to whores, they will dirty the place and spoil the reputation of the apartments + complains from neighbours.:tsk-tsk:
If neighbour is single, old man? :D :spliff:

irisng
21-02-13, 07:23
If neighbour is single, old man? :D :spliff:

Single, maybe yes but old man, the thought never comes to my mind.:beats-me-man: Purposely buy an apartment in Geylang just to patronise the vice is very costly:D .

siewsphone
21-02-13, 08:21
Ya, I have checked the website on some of the apartments in Geylang, majority of the buyers are Singaporeans, the small portion are PR and foreigners.

Your friend should consider himself/herself lucky to have no whores neighbours. Buying Geylang ppty not necessary must rent to whores, they will dirty the place and spoil the reputation of the apartments + complains from neighbours.:tsk-tsk:

Most of the Singaporeans buy for rent out, not for own stay. :doh:

irisng
21-02-13, 15:33
Most of the Singaporeans buy for rent out, not for own stay. :doh:

Most likely, but at least there are still minority of them don't mind to stay there. Out of those Singaporeans who bought the Geylang ppty, HDB upgraders "beats" the private ppty buyers.

irisng
13-03-13, 20:20
Surprisingly, almost the whole stretch of the landed ppty on the left side of Lorong 24 was sold. The famous "bean curb" stall also shifted to the corner of Lorong 24.

babyt
13-03-13, 22:34
#1 loft, edenz loft, octet and residences one will be built along lorong 24. :)

thomastansb
13-03-13, 22:57
Geylang will slowly shift. Will have more and more commercials there. Somemore sports hub coming up. They either become more civilized or they move out. Civilized as in like Japan.

rontan_83
17-03-13, 00:06
I have juz booked one unit .. 560sqft.. Any idea on the TOP date for this project? I am buying for own stay..

babyt
17-03-13, 01:28
Hi neighbour, nice to meet u!

Which level did u buy? Mine is Level 08.

rontan_83
17-03-13, 07:29
Any Idea on the completion date for #1 loft?
Thanks babyT.. My unit is located on second and third floor

rontan_83
17-03-13, 08:11
BabyT, can I have your whatsapp number? Thanks

babyt
17-03-13, 14:42
Any Idea on the completion date for #1 loft?
Thanks babyT.. My unit is located on second and third floor

TOP is 2018 but agent said maybe early like 2015-6. :beats-me-man:

helloworld99
17-03-13, 16:49
TOP is 2018 but agent said maybe early like 2015-6. :beats-me-man:

I drove past yesterday but I could not find the showflat? Wat is the price range?

buttercarp
17-03-13, 17:46
I drove past yesterday but I could not find the showflat? Wat is the price range?

It is opposite the actual site along Guillemard Road.
It should be after the Shell station.

rontan_83
17-03-13, 20:00
Really hope the developer will enbloc the workers dormitory at Jalan Suka and Jalan Manis... It is an eyesore.. So many prostitutes there...

babyt
17-03-13, 23:43
Hi ron, check yr private msg. we can chat privately if u want.

seriously, geylang is a prime city fringe land that is so close to city hall. its a waste if its continue to be occupied by whores. let see how it goes by 2016.

its irony, whores get to live so close to city in prime location and yet some singaporeans have to be contended with buying suburban 99yrs condo.

triple70
18-03-13, 08:10
Don't have to wait for others to take action.
Dormitory use is not allowed in the first place.
Anyone can simply report to URA/MOM/FSB.

The ladies is a seperate issue. I think there are 2 hotels in that area, so kinda have to accept the fact that there will be commercial activity there.

Personally, I don't think is about chasing ppl out. It's about accepting them for who they are, and then ensure that everyone plays by the rules.

Afterall, they were there first. New comers come in with the eyes open. Wasting prime land? We can say the same about the Istana.

So.. just enjoy the scene. Pay careful attention. The ladies are ok, it's the garung kuni types that messes the neighbourhood up. Look at Lor 18, kinda upmarket when there are no garung kuni types ard. Then can have the real SOHO feel.


Really hope the developer will enbloc the workers dormitory at Jalan Suka and Jalan Manis... It is an eyesore.. So many prostitutes there...

Yikky
18-03-13, 12:54
Any Idea on the completion date for #1 loft?
Thanks babyT.. My unit is located on second and third floor

hi!

6th floor here! :cool1:

irisng
18-03-13, 15:37
Wow, seems like quite a number of buyers from this forum bought this project. Yikky, is it for own-stay too or for rental?

Yikky
18-03-13, 16:03
Hi Iris,

I'm looking at rental.

babyt
18-03-13, 16:25
pls dont rent to chicken ok???

i am staying at 8th floor. :cheers4:

irisng
18-03-13, 16:26
Hi Iris,

I'm looking at rental.

Me too, I bought a unit at Lorong 28 with the intention of rental in the 1st place but now might change my mind for own-stay.

rontan_83
18-03-13, 17:10
I am buying for own stay.. I hope they can complete the construction works by Dec 2014 so that I could move in earlier...

babyt
18-03-13, 20:22
btw, why both of u didnt buy the penthouse unit?

rontan_83
18-03-13, 22:56
We can only afford to buy the smallest unit..

Yikky
18-03-13, 23:15
Squeeze the max $$ out of livable space available.
Hehe..:D

babyt
18-03-13, 23:21
thats true. the open balcony can be a waste of space but the price for the penthouse and other closed units are similar and because i can get to own a 'penthouse' with that price, i decided to buy a unit from 1loft. the double storey concept attracted me as well...although small living space, the 2 storey makes the unit looks somehow 'bigger'.

the only thing i dont like is the exterior look of the project.

the agent told me the swimming pool is 25m long.

i borught the unit facing city (west sun).

mcmlxxvi
19-03-13, 10:38
We can only afford to buy the smallest unit..

Wise choice. Support.

Rosy
19-03-13, 10:41
thats true. the open balcony can be a waste of space but the price for the penthouse and other closed units are similar and because i can get to own a 'penthouse' with that price, i decided to buy a unit from 1loft. the double storey concept attracted me as well...although small living space, the 2 storey makes the unit looks somehow 'bigger'.

the only thing i dont like is the exterior look of the project.

the agent told me the swimming pool is 25m long.

i borught the unit facing city (west sun).
How much is a 1bdr PH and a 1bdr?

babyt
19-03-13, 13:24
you may want to check w the agent.

i remb the price between penthouse n closed units are similar or the difference isnt that wide.

triple70
20-03-13, 07:49
Is there a project called Residences One there?
Can't seem to find any info on it.



#1 loft, edenz loft, octet and residences one will be built along lorong 24. :)

babyt
20-03-13, 08:22
Is there a project called Residences One there?
Can't seem to find any info on it.

use http://www.onemap.sg/index.html

when i brought 1loft in early feb, octet isnt launched yet but already shown on the govt map. i guess its a manner of time, residences one will launch or maybe will launch as another name?

mcmlxxvi
20-03-13, 10:22
Grandview Suites showflat at main junction in progress.

Rosy
20-03-13, 10:36
you may want to check w the agent.

i remb the price between penthouse n closed units are similar or the difference isnt that wide.
If the difference is less than 100k, i would think PH is a better deal.

SQ008
20-03-13, 21:12
Baby T is right. Singaporeans should progressively move into Geylang and chase the vice out of this prime area in an Occupy Geylang exercise. A friend said that he laughs when reaches home in 15 mins from the CBD whilst his colleagues take 1hr to go home.

irisng
20-03-13, 21:37
Baby T is right. Singaporeans should progressively move into Geylang and chase the vice out of this prime area in an Occupy Geylang exercise. A friend said that he laughs when reaches home in 15 mins from the CBD whilst his colleagues take 1hr to go home.

Developers must co-operate also, try to enbloc as many as possible, and Singaporeans join in to buy the apartments, leave the vice no place to stand.:cheers5:. One more thing, increase the hotel rates also.

mcmlxxvi
21-03-13, 09:44
Occupy geylang.

Sounds nice.

Hands up who vested here?

Babyt
Irisng
Mcm
Yikky
Rontan83

rontan_83
22-03-13, 13:23
Hi.. I am buying for own stay... The bedroom on the upper storey would be rented out..

Adam Goi
24-03-13, 22:56
Hi to all.

I understand your concern of the vice problems here @ Lorong 24. For me, I've living at Jalan Suka, which is also in Lorong 24.

For the vice problems to be properly dealth with, actions need to be taken by the authorities as they need to be pressured to take action.


Whether you're buying the property for self-stay or investment, I believe you'd want the place to be more dignified, secure and safe and as long as vice activities continue to strive, which is the case now, we need to band together to appeal and pressure the authorities.

The improvement isn't going to be an overnight thing, it'll take time, starting from now and pressure needs to be heap on SPF and URA.

I've started a FB page, Save Jalan Suka - Lorong 24 and I'd welcome and appreciate your support in restoring this area into an orderly and safer one and I'd periodically update the page.

Let's work together and help to propagate this so that in time, the authorities can no longer ignore us and finally do the right thing, that is to turn this 'circus' into a real home.

babyt
24-03-13, 23:58
I will chase the hookers every night by squirting ink water from my loft 1 balcony.

rontan_83
25-03-13, 11:47
One month before general election, let's meet up with MP to highlight our concern

Adam Goi
25-03-13, 13:24
One month before general election, let's meet up with MP to highlight our concern

From experience and given it's such a deep seated problem, we have to start pressuring them NOW ...

For your information, I've been writing to PM, DPM Teo, SPF and URA and they're still dragging their feet. Nevertheless, we'll continue to pursue this via the FB page, emails and such and we'd welcome help and support from all quarters.

In short, we have to PUSH - Persevere Until Something Happens!

rontan_83
25-03-13, 14:18
Hi ADam,

U already stated that u have complained to PM.. As of today, no action being taken..wait long long bah if you want the prostitution activities to stop... I think the best Way is to engage a contractor to build the fencing and gate.. The cost shall be shared among all the residents there..

If the above not feasible, request SPF to mobilise policeman to patrol lorong 24 on regular basis..

Adam Goi
25-03-13, 15:49
Hi ADam,

U already stated that u have complained to PM.. As of today, no action being taken..wait long long bah if you want the prostitution activities to stop... I think the best Way is to engage a contractor to build the fencing and gate.. The cost shall be shared among all the residents there..

If the above not feasible, request SPF to mobilise policeman to patrol lorong 24 on regular basis..

Hi Ron, now I think I know who you are.

I don't think you have the complete picture; it's not as simple as you think; best it's to talk it out. I'll get back to you; as for the rest of us here who have similar concerns, let's hear it. Maybe we can come together and work something out.

irisng
25-03-13, 17:09
Hi Ron, now I think I know who you are.

I don't think you have the complete picture; it's not as simple as you think; best it's to talk it out. I'll get back to you; as for the rest of us here who have similar concerns, let's hear it. Maybe we can come together and work something out.

As what you say, it is not so simple. First of all, our govt need to think of a place to relocate "them". The problem is nobody will like to have vice around their living areas unless it is a shopping centres (without much or no residential areas at all) or relocate them to an island. Think of it, Orchard Road seems to be a good place, hor? And it is also a tourist attractions:D. Secondly, unless S'pore do away with the vice but I think this is impossible as somebody has mentioned that vice can help to reduce raping cases, how far is it true, not very sure leh.:rolleyes:

rontan_83
25-03-13, 19:55
Adam,

If my proposal not acceptable .. Do u have any suggestion? I really wana kick the illegal activities out from lorong 24..

Adam Goi
25-03-13, 20:17
Adam,

If my proposal not acceptable .. Do u have any suggestion? I really wana kick the illegal activities out from lorong 24..

Ron, I'm not in the position to say whether it's acceptable but given the years that I've been living here, since the day I'm born, (almost 40 years now), knowing the neighbourhood, seeing how it has been neglected by the authorities, overun by vice operators, then pleading and now pressuring the authorities, MPs, ministers and writing in to the press for years, I have learnt that we need to know which battles to fight and the importance of pressing on, even though the journey seems lonely, discouraging and even frightening.

As said, let's find more like-minded people before we talk.

SQ008
25-03-13, 22:44
Ron, I'm not in the position to say whether it's acceptable but given the years that I've been living here, since the day I'm born, (almost 40 years now), knowing the neighbourhood, seeing how it has been neglected by the authorities, overun by vice operators, then pleading and now pressuring the authorities, MPs, ministers and writing in to the press for years, I have learnt that we need to know which battles to fight and the importance of pressing on, even though the journey seems lonely, discouraging and even frightening.

As said, let's find more like-minded people before we talk.

Could you the contact details/emails of who to write to so that a concerted effort can be made to write to the relevant authorities ?

Adam Goi
26-03-13, 09:42
Could you the contact details/emails of who to write to so that a concerted effort can be made to write to the relevant authorities ?

I write emails to SPF, URA, DPM Teo and PM Lee. I also post my YouTube links at their FB pages. As for PM Lee and DPM Teo, given their security settings, I can't post on them directly; I usually insert them in their recent posts where they showed 'happy pictures' with residents and dignitaries; yes I know it's irritating but to get their attention and to impress upon them that the residents here experience more than 'mere irritation'.

We are languishing here.

JAFCO
26-03-13, 10:16
As what you say, it is not so simple. First of all, our govt need to think of a place to relocate "them". The problem is nobody will like to have vice around their living areas unless it is a shopping centres (without much or no residential areas at all) or relocate them to an island. Think of it, Orchard Road seems to be a good place, hor? And it is also a tourist attractions:D. Secondly, unless S'pore do away with the vice but I think this is impossible as somebody has mentioned that vice can help to reduce raping cases, how far is it true, not very sure leh.:rolleyes:



the govt has turn keong siak road to a very modern clean conservation houses with good reastuarants and offices and even thinking to open up club street to be next lam kwai fong.

I am sure over at geylang it could also turn to be some silicon valley of sort (yah its a different sillicon and valley currently)...
look at bugis it was an infamous street they even made a movie on it.

its just whether someone has the vision to mould it and perhaps see the "gold" in the land parcel......

Adam Goi
26-03-13, 10:40
the govt has turn keong siak road to a very modern clean conservation houses with good reastuarants and offices and even thinking to open up club street to be next lam kwai fong.

I am sure over at geylang it could also turn to be some silicon valley of sort (yah its a different sillicon and valley currently)...
look at bugis it was an infamous street they even made a movie on it.

its just whether someone has the vision to mould it and perhaps see the "gold" in the land parcel......

I really wish what you say will come true but as of now, given what I've seen over the last 3 decade, this place only gets more and more complicated. With Singapore continuing to import foreign workers to meet the needs of jobs that are shunned by locals, then where are we going to locate them? Where will this group of people head to? It's Geylang for now. After all it's low-density living as compared to the HDB estates and surely the corresponding volume of complaints coming from the latter will be more than Geylang if they start to invade the heartland estates.
As said, we will continue to push for a safer home and I'll be more than happy to report any improvement.
But as a resident here for many years, witnessing it's decadence first hand, I can't agree with your projection.
We can all agree that Geylang can't be changed into a 'safe haven' overnight but for that to happen, they must be clear signs of improvement, at least. As of now, we don't see that, in fact the situation is worsening.
I know some property agents will hate me for saying this but it's important to 'call a spade, a spade'.

mcmlxxvi
26-03-13, 10:56
the govt has turn keong siak road to a very modern clean conservation houses with good reastuarants and offices and even thinking to open up club street to be next lam kwai fong.

I am sure over at geylang it could also turn to be some silicon valley of sort (yah its a different sillicon and valley currently)...
look at bugis it was an infamous street they even made a movie on it.

its just whether someone has the vision to mould it and perhaps see the "gold" in the land parcel......

silicone and valley! wahahaha good one, :cheers4:

mcmlxxvi
26-03-13, 11:01
i do wish to share my observations that Geylang is one location where the proliferation of MM housing has in fact helped towards social cause.

some lorongs, namely 28, 30, has seen so many such small condos propping up that chickens has more or less been driven out of their coops which has been replaced by pricey condos. these units rent at no less than 2,500 a month, with just one bedrm, barely enough to house 2 chickens for business at any one time. there are also sizeable numbers of expats (ang mo) who absolutely love the vibrance (vibrations?) of Geyland. and im not referring to just the males. so increased and hastening redevelopment of the area is indeed a good sign.

it is also good to note that Gayland is under conservation area hence no limit on the number if MM projects that can sprout up.

i look forward to the day Gayland becomes MMful and no breast meat please.

JAFCO
26-03-13, 23:09
Maybe u barking at the wrong tree....

Making S'pore the world's safest place
By Francis Chan
The Straits Times*|*Tue, Mar 26, 2013
Singapore's crime rate fell last year to its lowest in almost 30 years, but Commissioner of Police Ng Joo Hee believes it can be better.

"It doesn't matter if the population hits 6.9 million, we can go lower because a lot of the crime here is preventable," he said.

That explains a renewed focus on crime prevention since he became police chief three years ago and set out to work towards making Singapore "the safest place in the world".

The most significant move is the Community Policing System (Cops) introduced last year, which has officers getting out of their patrol cars and Neighbourhood Police Posts to pound the beat on foot or on bicycles, getting to know people who live and work in the area.

It is a big change because Mr Ng does not want people to interact with police officers only when crimes happen. He wants the police officer to be a familiar face in the neighbourhood, someone the public can count on.

The Cops strategy was first introduced at Neighbourhood Police Centres (NPCs) in Bukit Merah East and Tampines last May.

Six more - in Clementi, Bishan, Punggol, Sengkang, Woodlands East and Woodlands West - have adopted it since January and more NPCs will follow. These include centres in Ang Mo Kio South, Bedok North, Jurong East, Jurong West, Nanyang and Rochor in June, and another six by the end of this year.

In his first interview since taking over as commissioner from Mr Khoo Boon Hui in February 2010, Mr Ng told The Sunday Times: "I took over a very successful and enviable police force. But I thought, let's clarify our mission and see how we can do better."

The mission of the force remains simple: to prevent, deter and detect crime. But he felt some policing strategies needed to change.

For example, most police resources are dedicated to responding to crime.

"Our policemen are sitting in police cars and they're waiting to be dispatched to a 999 call," said Mr Ng. "We invested greatly in this and have performance standards on these things, but... the smart thing to do is to prevent the crime in the first place."

Prevention and deterrence, however, are far harder than solving crime. For one thing, crime prevention requires officers to be more deeply embedded in a neighbourhood.

"We wanted to move away from where most of our interactions with the public are when something bad has happened to them," said Mr Ng. "Now we have the police officer walking a beat until he becomes a familiar face and a member of that community where he's trusted."

One part of the Cops model has officers on policing duties walk the beat in shorts and casual polo T-shirts, sometimes zipping around on mountain bikes.

Another component involves having teams of plain-clothes officers from the NPCs conducting ambushes and other anti-crime operations in housing estates.

Similar plain-clothes units already operate out of the six police land divisions but the teams under the 35 NPCs will work closer to the ground.

Mr Ng said Cops was a result of more than two years of tests.

"We experimented with it, first in Woodlands and other places and there was some impact on local crime," he said. "So, we decided that we should roll it out, and generally the feedback so far is people really like it, they like to talk to the policemen without being victims of crime."

More than half the NPC network is on course to adopt the Cops model by the end of the year, and all will have it by the end of 2015.

What will also help in the commissioner's drive to make Singapore the safest place on earth is a network of police cameras that will cover all Housing Board estates by 2016.

While the cameras are deployed mainly to deter and solve crime, including cases of loan shark harassment, the police are prepared to share the footage with other agencies such as the Land Transport Authority and National Environment Agency to combat illegal parking and high-rise littering.

"We're wiring up every HDB block in Singapore, all 10,000 blocks and every block will have about eight cameras," he said.

"We're talking about close to a 100,000 cameras. This is a massive, massive police infrastructure." But will there be a day when there is no crime in Singapore?

"As long as there's more than one human being, there will be crime. It's part of the human condition," said Mr Ng. "But how low can we go? No one can answer this. I think we can go a lot lower."

[email protected]

Get a copy of The Straits Times or go to straitstimes.com for more stories.

Adam Goi
27-03-13, 06:33
Maybe u barking at the wrong tree....

Making S'pore the world's safest place
By Francis Chan
The Straits Times*|*Tue, Mar 26, 2013
Singapore's crime rate fell last year to its lowest in almost 30 years, but Commissioner of Police Ng Joo Hee believes it can be better.

"It doesn't matter if the population hits 6.9 million, we can go lower because a lot of the crime here is preventable," he said.

That explains a renewed focus on crime prevention since he became police chief three years ago and set out to work towards making Singapore "the safest place in the world".

The most significant move is the Community Policing System (Cops) introduced last year, which has officers getting out of their patrol cars and Neighbourhood Police Posts to pound the beat on foot or on bicycles, getting to know people who live and work in the area.

It is a big change because Mr Ng does not want people to interact with police officers only when crimes happen. He wants the police officer to be a familiar face in the neighbourhood, someone the public can count on.

The Cops strategy was first introduced at Neighbourhood Police Centres (NPCs) in Bukit Merah East and Tampines last May.

Six more - in Clementi, Bishan, Punggol, Sengkang, Woodlands East and Woodlands West - have adopted it since January and more NPCs will follow. These include centres in Ang Mo Kio South, Bedok North, Jurong East, Jurong West, Nanyang and Rochor in June, and another six by the end of this year.

In his first interview since taking over as commissioner from Mr Khoo Boon Hui in February 2010, Mr Ng told The Sunday Times: "I took over a very successful and enviable police force. But I thought, let's clarify our mission and see how we can do better."

The mission of the force remains simple: to prevent, deter and detect crime. But he felt some policing strategies needed to change.

For example, most police resources are dedicated to responding to crime.

"Our policemen are sitting in police cars and they're waiting to be dispatched to a 999 call," said Mr Ng. "We invested greatly in this and have performance standards on these things, but... the smart thing to do is to prevent the crime in the first place."

Prevention and deterrence, however, are far harder than solving crime. For one thing, crime prevention requires officers to be more deeply embedded in a neighbourhood.

"We wanted to move away from where most of our interactions with the public are when something bad has happened to them," said Mr Ng. "Now we have the police officer walking a beat until he becomes a familiar face and a member of that community where he's trusted."

One part of the Cops model has officers on policing duties walk the beat in shorts and casual polo T-shirts, sometimes zipping around on mountain bikes.

Another component involves having teams of plain-clothes officers from the NPCs conducting ambushes and other anti-crime operations in housing estates.

Similar plain-clothes units already operate out of the six police land divisions but the teams under the 35 NPCs will work closer to the ground.

Mr Ng said Cops was a result of more than two years of tests.

"We experimented with it, first in Woodlands and other places and there was some impact on local crime," he said. "So, we decided that we should roll it out, and generally the feedback so far is people really like it, they like to talk to the policemen without being victims of crime."

More than half the NPC network is on course to adopt the Cops model by the end of the year, and all will have it by the end of 2015.

What will also help in the commissioner's drive to make Singapore the safest place on earth is a network of police cameras that will cover all Housing Board estates by 2016.

While the cameras are deployed mainly to deter and solve crime, including cases of loan shark harassment, the police are prepared to share the footage with other agencies such as the Land Transport Authority and National Environment Agency to combat illegal parking and high-rise littering.

"We're wiring up every HDB block in Singapore, all 10,000 blocks and every block will have about eight cameras," he said.

"We're talking about close to a 100,000 cameras. This is a massive, massive police infrastructure." But will there be a day when there is no crime in Singapore?

"As long as there's more than one human being, there will be crime. It's part of the human condition," said Mr Ng. "But how low can we go? No one can answer this. I think we can go a lot lower."

[email protected]

Get a copy of The Straits Times or go to straitstimes.com for more stories.

Your point?

If it's about the installation of CCTV, I can tell what's the point of having them when the monitoring is lacking?

I'm saying this because I can say with confidence that you will find one gambling den, at least being set up in front of the CCTV every weekend! On it's been going on for months at least!

Why are they back every weekend? Why aren't they using the so-called CCTV footage to investigate and make arrests? Brothel and gambling operators seem to continue with what they are doing with a peace of mind.

In short, my take is the authorities are not doing enough or should I say much!

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see this place getting more liveable but there are no signs to tell us so; as for what we read in the press, discerning readers should know that nowadays, we should read with a pinch of salt, and in this case, a large pinch.

JAFCO
27-03-13, 09:43
Your point?

If it's about the installation of CCTV, I can tell what's the point of having them when the monitoring is lacking?

I'm saying this because I can say with confidence that you will find one gambling den, at least being set up in front of the CCTV every weekend! On it's been going on for months at least!

Why are they back every weekend? Why aren't they using the so-called CCTV footage to investigate and make arrests? Brothel and gambling operators seem to continue with what they are doing with a peace of mind.

In short, my take is the authorities are not doing enough or should I say much!

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see this place getting more liveable but there are no signs to tell us so; as for what we read in the press, discerning readers should know that nowadays, we should read with a pinch of salt, and in this case, a large pinch.


My pt is the person to solve this is mr ng. He give licence to the prostituion den. The statistic of crime judging by reprted daily news is in geylang. So how is it that geylang is what it is today....when it used to be a quaint neighbourhood between a thrivng paya lebar and entertianment hub of gayworld.

siewsphone
27-03-13, 10:32
I wonder will posting at Stomp help?


Your point?

If it's about the installation of CCTV, I can tell what's the point of having them when the monitoring is lacking?

I'm saying this because I can say with confidence that you will find one gambling den, at least being set up in front of the CCTV every weekend! On it's been going on for months at least!

Why are they back every weekend? Why aren't they using the so-called CCTV footage to investigate and make arrests? Brothel and gambling operators seem to continue with what they are doing with a peace of mind.

In short, my take is the authorities are not doing enough or should I say much!

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see this place getting more liveable but there are no signs to tell us so; as for what we read in the press, discerning readers should know that nowadays, we should read with a pinch of salt, and in this case, a large pinch.

Adam Goi
27-03-13, 11:12
I wonder will posting at Stomp help?

Many of the videos and reports were posted there before, sadly most of the responses that we get are unsavory one, for example there are many branding residents as stupid for choosing to live there in the first place ...

rontan_83
27-03-13, 11:58
Many of the videos and reports were posted there before, sadly most of the responses that we get are unsavory one, for example there are many branding residents as stupid for choosing to live there in the first place ...
Adam, no point complaining so much.. Nobody will help u unless we start taking action... Let's build the FENCING and GATES together....

Adam Goi
27-03-13, 12:12
Adam, no point complaining so much.. Nobody will help u unless we start taking action... Let's build the FENCING and GATES together....

Sigh, do you know what you're taking about? Who are we to build fencings and gates? Do you think you even have any control over who the developer sells the units to? Who your 'new neighbours' wish to rent to? The prostitutes and neighbours could jolly well become your neighbours, like what we're experiencing now!

As said, let's be clever about our approach. We need numbers. We need to make noise. This deep-seated will take time and for me, as long as it takes.

I sense your frustration. Can you imagine mine? I see this day in, day out for years! I have to face up to all the intimidations, bear the costs for installing the CCTV and storage and constantly worry about my safety as well as my loved ones'.

Come on, we're on the same side. Learn and take time to understand situation.

babyt
27-03-13, 14:53
Many of the videos and reports were posted there before, sadly most of the responses that we get are unsavory one, for example there are many branding residents as stupid for choosing to live there in the first place ...

its normal. even in this forum, whenever there is a new launch at geylang, they will make the usual remarks.

JAFCO
28-03-13, 11:36
Sigh, do you know what you're taking about? Who are we to build fencings and gates? Do you think you even have any control over who the developer sells the units to? Who your 'new neighbours' wish to rent to? The prostitutes and neighbours could jolly well become your neighbours, like what we're experiencing now!

As said, let's be clever about our approach. We need numbers. We need to make noise. This deep-seated will take time and for me, as long as it takes.

I sense your frustration. Can you imagine mine? I see this day in, day out for years! I have to face up to all the intimidations, bear the costs for installing the CCTV and storage and constantly worry about my safety as well as my loved ones'.

Come on, we're on the same side. Learn and take time to understand situation.

http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=17290

there is hope...if there is will....the mm hopefully will drive the gentrification process....unless the mm itself turns into brothel....

in fact with your street in the vicinity of city, marina, sports hub, mrt stations, top schools, i am sure the gentrification is starting....the only issue is the brothel licence and that is where the commissioner comes in....if he is taking action that is fine. I heard they are doing soemthing....there is only a few such licence in lorang 28-30....and this are going away???

if developer see value in redeveloping the place, banks are willing to lend....u know the gentification is starting.,...

rontan_83
28-03-13, 12:40
MM stands for? Please advise

doufei
28-03-13, 15:49
Micky mouse which means shoebox small apartments fit for micky mouse.


MM stands for? Please advise

babyt
28-03-13, 16:10
called the development office directly. the staff told me they hope to complete by end of 2016. He also provided some comments on the project which I wont get from the agents.

rontan_83
28-03-13, 18:47
Hi babyt, such a small project ... Why they need 4 years to complete the construction works? This kind of project, 1 to 1.5 years, can be completed.... Mind to share with us on what you hv heard from the developer ? Thanks.

irisng
29-03-13, 13:01
Hi babyt, such a small project ... Why they need 4 years to complete the construction works? This kind of project, 1 to 1.5 years, can be completed.... Mind to share with us on what you hv heard from the developer ? Thanks.


IMHO, they have to give some allowance for unforseen circumstances. Normally, they will try to complete before the TOP. From some of the projects that I come across, it has completed 1 to 2 yrs earlier.

Like your project, they have not even started the tearing down of the building yet and foundation also take longer times, once foundation is ready, the rest will be quite fast already.

SQ008
31-03-13, 01:58
Anyone with regret buying this property now that there are cheaper 99 years ones in Pasir Ris and Sengkang ?

rontan_83
31-03-13, 05:32
We have got nothing to regret...I prefer to live near city ...

buttercarp
31-03-13, 08:00
Anyone with regret buying this property now that there are cheaper 99 years ones in Pasir Ris and Sengkang ?
Why should they regret?
Can't use it to compare with pasir ris n sengkang.
It is fh n nearer to the city.
Those who bought this have different requirements than those who bought in the heartlands.
One has to be confident with one's buy.
Although in future there may be so called better development, imho, just be happy with your decision n do not look back.

SQ008
31-03-13, 10:24
Why should they regret?
Can't use it to compare with pasir ris n sengkang.
It is fh n nearer to the city.
Those who bought this have different requirements than those who bought in the heartlands.
One has to be confident with one's buy.
Although in future there may be so called better development, imho, just be happy with your decision n do not look back.


Precisely Buttercarp, this is my sentiments too. I would rather buy into Geylang FH than Pasir Ris 99.

mantrix
31-03-13, 10:27
Anyone with regret buying this property now that there are cheaper 99 years ones in Pasir Ris and Sengkang ?

this is a funny question. Given that there are far cheaper ones in JB shouldn't we regret even more?

sh
31-03-13, 10:33
Anyone with regret buying this property now that there are cheaper 99 years ones in Pasir Ris and Sengkang ?

FH over 99.... Anytime....:2cents:

SQ008
31-03-13, 12:05
this is a funny question. Given that there are far cheaper ones in JB shouldn't we regret even more?

Agree - a friend was boosting how she can bought two 3 storey at iskanda and asked if i regret having spent the same amount on a one bedroom apartment

leesg123
31-03-13, 12:31
Agree - a friend was boosting how she can bought two 3 storey at iskanda and asked if i regret having spent the same amount on a one bedroom apartment
wait till one day she find another family squatting at her third floor! u ask your fren is her life worth iskandar price or sg price.

Mu
31-03-13, 12:51
I was very tempted to buy a 3 bedder here.

I did not think the price was that cheap (as you can find cheaper units in those other even lorang's as well). However, the developers offer of paying 10% cash for downpayment was very attractive.

Plus I really liked the layout of the space. It really felt like living in a mansionette (1 room and attach bath downstairs, 2 rooms with attached baths separately upstairs).

I was almost thinking of signing on the dotted line... Then I decided to investigate.

I called the banks and asked them for a loan, no banks decided to offer me anything. Only finance companies at much higher interest rates were interested. So I asked myself...in future, if I decided to sell the unit, how will buyers buy if no bank is willing to offer them a loan? Will they be willing to take a loan from a finance company and foot the higher interest?

Then I took a walk down lorong 24...That was an eye opener. I told myself that once all the condos are up, it will be much better...But I realize that the red light district is too close, and the sellers and buyers who are involved in the trade will surely use lorong 24, if not for business, then at least to get to the other sites. And also, l think it will not be uncommon for future owners of the condos to rent out their units to the people who are in the trade.

I am single right now, and have no family. But I think that in future when I do decide to settle down, I do not think I want my wife and kids to mingle with the rest of the crowd over there just to get home. It is really an issue.

I therefore decided to stay away.

But to those who have bought, congrats. It is FH, near to the city and with easy access to public transport.

But it is a gamble as to how the place will turn out 10 years from now. For me, the red light district have remained untouched for too long. The government could have easily redeveloped it, yet they left it as is. I do not think it will be easy to move the red light district anywhere else (especially to the suburbs!) Then again, they could decide to revamp the whole area, and your gamble would have paid off.

I am not a gambler unfortunately, so I have to stay away.

It is sad as the only thing comparable are 99yrs in suburbs such as the far east or north east. But I guess I want to play safe for now (as it is my first property)

irisng
31-03-13, 14:06
I passed by Lor 24 at around 11am+ this morning. Still the same, no sign of tearing down the buildings yet. On the left side stood lots of men and on the right side with lots of those ladies. One thing good about it is those ladies just stood there without harrassing the men or passerby. Just hope that with more and more apartments coming up, Lor 24 can have a big change. Wonder whether will the developers enbloc the right side of Lor 24 also. Lor 24 & Lor 24A is really a big contrast, if only Lor 24 can be like Lor 24A one of this days, it will be good.

leesg123
31-03-13, 15:55
your assessment is correct.

I am tempted to get a unit for investment too as it can be easily rented to the people in the trade. the monthly rent is way cheaper than renting a hotel rm for a month, definitely a good rental choice. I can forsee that owners who dont stay there, most likely will be renting to the prc mei mei.
I was very tempted to buy a 3 bedder here.

I did not think the price was that cheap (as you can find cheaper units in those other even lorang's as well). However, the developers offer of paying 10% cash for downpayment was very attractive.

Plus I really liked the layout of the space. It really felt like living in a mansionette (1 room and attach bath downstairs, 2 rooms with attached baths separately upstairs).

I was almost thinking of signing on the dotted line... Then I decided to investigate.

I called the banks and asked them for a loan, no banks decided to offer me anything. Only finance companies at much higher interest rates were interested. So I asked myself...in future, if I decided to sell the unit, how will buyers buy if no bank is willing to offer them a loan? Will they be willing to take a loan from a finance company and foot the higher interest?

Then I took a walk down lorong 24...That was an eye opener. I told myself that once all the condos are up, it will be much better...But I realize that the red light district is too close, and the sellers and buyers who are involved in the trade will surely use lorong 24, if not for business, then at least to get to the other sites. And also, l think it will not be uncommon for future owners of the condos to rent out their units to the people who are in the trade.

I am single right now, and have no family. But I think that in future when I do decide to settle down, I do not think I want my wife and kids to mingle with the rest of the crowd over there just to get home. It is really an issue.

I therefore decided to stay away.

But to those who have bought, congrats. It is FH, near to the city and with easy access to public transport.

But it is a gamble as to how the place will turn out 10 years from now. For me, the red light district have remained untouched for too long. The government could have easily redeveloped it, yet they left it as is. I do not think it will be easy to move the red light district anywhere else (especially to the suburbs!) Then again, they could decide to revamp the whole area, and your gamble would have paid off.

I am not a gambler unfortunately, so I have to stay away.

It is sad as the only thing comparable are 99yrs in suburbs such as the far east or north east. But I guess I want to play safe for now (as it is my first property)

buttercarp
31-03-13, 16:03
I was very tempted to buy a 3 bedder here.

I did not think the price was that cheap (as you can find cheaper units in those other even lorang's as well). However, the developers offer of paying 10% cash for downpayment was very attractive.

Plus I really liked the layout of the space. It really felt like living in a mansionette (1 room and attach bath downstairs, 2 rooms with attached baths separately upstairs).

I was almost thinking of signing on the dotted line... Then I decided to investigate.

I called the banks and asked them for a loan, no banks decided to offer me anything. Only finance companies at much higher interest rates were interested. So I asked myself...in future, if I decided to sell the unit, how will buyers buy if no bank is willing to offer them a loan? Will they be willing to take a loan from a finance company and foot the higher interest?

Then I took a walk down lorong 24...That was an eye opener. I told myself that once all the condos are up, it will be much better...But I realize that the red light district is too close, and the sellers and buyers who are involved in the trade will surely use lorong 24, if not for business, then at least to get to the other sites. And also, l think it will not be uncommon for future owners of the condos to rent out their units to the people who are in the trade.

I am single right now, and have no family. But I think that in future when I do decide to settle down, I do not think I want my wife and kids to mingle with the rest of the crowd over there just to get home. It is really an issue.

I therefore decided to stay away.

But to those who have bought, congrats. It is FH, near to the city and with easy access to public transport.

But it is a gamble as to how the place will turn out 10 years from now. For me, the red light district have remained untouched for too long. The government could have easily redeveloped it, yet they left it as is. I do not think it will be easy to move the red light district anywhere else (especially to the suburbs!) Then again, they could decide to revamp the whole area, and your gamble would have paid off.

I am not a gambler unfortunately, so I have to stay away.

It is sad as the only thing comparable are 99yrs in suburbs such as the far east or north east. But I guess I want to play safe for now (as it is my first property)

Different people have different requirements.
If you think you will get married in the near future, then staying there with your family is likely to be out of the question.
However if you have enough money and are willing to take the gamble that the red light district may be gradually replaced with new developments, then go for it.


I passed by Lor 24 at around 11am+ this morning. Still the same, no sign of tearing down the buildings yet. On the left side stood lots of men and on the right side with lots of those ladies. One thing good about it is those ladies just stood there without harrassing the men or passerby. Just hope that with more and more apartments coming up, Lor 24 can have a big change. Wonder whether will the developers enbloc the right side of Lor 24 also. Lor 24 & Lor 24A is really a big contrast, if only Lor 24 can be like Lor 24A one of this days, it will be good.

I agree with you sis that there is a vast difference between Lorongs 24 and 24A.

Lorong 24 is scary.
Lorong 24A has conservation houses and the price for that type of houses is really exorbitant, especially those which are well renovated.

acidic.straw
31-03-13, 16:39
...But it is a gamble as to how the place will turn out 10 years from now. For me, the red light district have remained untouched for too long. The government could have easily redeveloped it, yet they left it as is. I do not think it will be easy to move the red light district anywhere else (especially to the suburbs!) ....

You're right. The authority's position all along appears to be one of containment rather than eradication. History has proven you cannot eradicate vice activities so long as there are men and women around. If you hit the areas too hard, vice will only spread all over the island and contaminate otherwise "clean" areas. In addition, these activities will go "underground", spreading STD and creating social problems in an uncontrolled way. The authorities have made a conscious decision to allow the operations of brothels thru licensing and registration of women in the trade in order to contain and control the situation.

For Geylang, vice activities have evolved and grown "naturally" alongside the growth of the nation. There is "silent" understanding that this area is a red-light area without the authorities explicitly stating so. To do so would put the authorities in an awkward position of endorsing immoral activities.

Hence here we are today, debating whether the process of gentrification will free Geylang from the shackles of vice that it found itself today. Adam Goi is facing an uphill though admirable effort to eradicate vice in Jalan Suka. But Jalan Suka is connected to Lorong 24, which is connected to Geylang Road which is connected to Lorong 24A, which is connected to....etc. So where do the authorities draw the line. If you hit Lorong Suka hard, will it spread to Lorong 24A? And if you hit Lor 24A, will it scatter to a few other previously "clean" areas or even go "underground? And then what?

For property investment, the mantra is "location, location and location". As a corollary to this, bear in mind that for controlling vice activities, the mantra appears to be "containment, containment and containment". Put these together and you can draw your own conclusion on how the tide will turn for Lorong 24 in 10 years time.

rontan_83
31-03-13, 16:49
Hi bro and sis here,

What is the rental rate for one loft ?just the estimated figure will do..

star
31-03-13, 17:45
Hi bro and sis here,

What is the rental rate for one loft ?just the estimated figure will do..

CASA AERATA LORONG 26 GEYLANG 14 Non-landed Properties 2 $2,800 400 to 500 Jan-13
CASA AERATA LORONG 26 GEYLANG 14 Non-landed Properties 3 $4,000 900 to 1000 Jan-13
CASA AERATA LORONG 26 GEYLANG 14 Non-landed Properties na* $3,100 500 to 600 Dec-12
CASA AERATA LORONG 26 GEYLANG 14 Non-landed Properties na* $4,100 900 to 1000 Dec-12
CASA AERATA LORONG 26 GEYLANG 14 Non-landed Properties na* $2,700 500 to 600 Dec-12
CASA AERATA LORONG 26 GEYLANG 14 Non-landed Properties na* $2,700 400 to 500 Dec-12

irisng
31-03-13, 20:24
I can forsee that owners who dont stay there, most likely will be renting to the prc mei mei.

Not exactly. I have a friend who stay in Geylang too. Just met him the other day, he told me that most of the tenants there are ang moh and he thought of renting out his place too because he can fetch about $3k for the rental.

babyt
31-03-13, 20:31
yes. my fren stays at casa aerata. the tenants no way are whores.

if u look at previous threads of other geylang developments, usually ppl will say the same old jokes about geylang....very boring. everytime 1 new dev for geylang come out, its the same remarks.

irisng
31-03-13, 20:43
yes. my fren stays at casa aerata. the tenants no way are whores.

if u look at previous threads of other geylang developments, usually ppl will say the same old jokes about geylang....very boring. everytime 1 new dev for geylang come out, its the same remarks.

Not so bad now. The very first time when someone posted a thread about the investment in Geylang, there were lots of negative responses but now it proved that they were wrong, prices have gone up by xx times. The only set back is the vice, if only vice can be relocated, then everything will be fine given the location and the food stalls.

Say difficult to relocate the vice, then in the 1st place, how they shift the vice from Desker Road to here? How long they take to plan? Vice have occupied Geylang for too long already, is time for them to change home liow.:ashamed1:

babyt
31-03-13, 20:51
just like keong saik street ma....now upmarket already.

rontan_83
31-03-13, 21:40
Dear all,

Seems like there are so much discussion here .. Edenz loft, though launched earlier than one loft, the discussion is not so active.

acidic.straw
31-03-13, 22:20
Not so bad now. The very first time when someone posted a thread about the investment in Geylang, there were lots of negative responses but now it proved that they were wrong, prices have gone up by xx times. The only set back is the vice, if only vice can be relocated, then everything will be fine given the location and the food stalls.

Say difficult to relocate the vice, then in the 1st place, how they shift the vice from Desker Road to here? How long they take to plan? Vice have occupied Geylang for too long already, is time for them to change home liow.:ashamed1:

There is no shift of vice activities from Desker Road to Geylang. Desker Road is still vice infested catering to a different group of people.

Question is, "Change home to where?". With the nimby syndrome currently very strong in S'pore, it's a tough road ahead for any authority trying to do that.

babyt
31-03-13, 22:21
maybe edenz loft buyers not IT savvy to find this forum? :)

the floorplan of edenz loft does not look like loft to me leh. no double storey and no platform for upper deck as well?

irisng
31-03-13, 22:32
There is no shift of vice activities from Desker Road to Geylang. Desker Road is still vice infested catering to a different group of people.

Question is, "Change home to where?". With the nimby syndrome currently very strong in S'pore, it's a tough road ahead for any authority trying to do that.

Change to shopping centres where there are no residential areas or better still shift them to an island.:cool:

Adam Goi
01-04-13, 15:55
There is no shift of vice activities from Desker Road to Geylang. Desker Road is still vice infested catering to a different group of people.

Question is, "Change home to where?". With the nimby syndrome currently very strong in S'pore, it's a tough road ahead for any authority trying to do that.

I agree, Geylang has always been what it is, infested by vice activities, pretty robust and self-sustaining, independent of what happens to Desker. I'm not sure how you get wind that 'Desker Road activities' have moved here in the first place.

As said, I'm not here to debate whether buying a unit in Geylang or more specifically Lorong 24 is a good investment. I just want to share my thoughts as well as my first-hand observations on the grounds, over the years with the new home-owners and prospective buyers.

I guess we all have a common interest here; you want good returns from your investment whilst we want the authorities to work harder to restore law and order so that we can have a safer home.

If you like what you hear, let's work together to make it happen.

rontan_83
01-04-13, 16:56
Hi Adam,

I m aware that u hv juz bought a condo recently .. The purpose
U want all the vice activities to be removed, is to ensure that your geylang house price will appreciate..with this, u can sell off the geylang house..

Such a smart move.. U plan to use the money from geylang house to fund your new condo ...

SQ008
01-04-13, 20:19
Hi Adam,

I m aware that u hv juz bought a condo recently .. The purpose
U want all the vice activities to be removed, is to ensure that your geylang house price will appreciate..with this, u can sell off the geylang house..

Such a smart move.. U plan to use the money from geylang house to fund your new condo ...

The vice move also benefit you mah....your property will also go up in price

rontan_83
01-04-13, 20:51
if the VICE no more there...what will happen to the price of the apartment ?will it shoot up to $1700/sqft?

acidic.straw
01-04-13, 20:55
The vice move also benefit you mah....your property will also go up in price

it will benefit everyone in geylang except the orkwees and the short-time hotels which will need to transform themselves into boutique hotels :D

acidic.straw
01-04-13, 21:55
Hi Adam,

I m aware that u hv juz bought a condo recently .. The purpose
U want all the vice activities to be removed, is to ensure that your geylang house price will appreciate..with this, u can sell off the geylang house..

Such a smart move.. U plan to use the money from geylang house to fund your new condo ...

why sell off freehold? rent out la :doh:

Adam Goi
02-04-13, 06:37
Hi Adam,

I m aware that u hv juz bought a condo recently .. The purpose
U want all the vice activities to be removed, is to ensure that your geylang house price will appreciate..with this, u can sell off the geylang house..

Such a smart move.. U plan to use the money from geylang house to fund your new condo ...

This is a ridiculous as well as a disappointing assumption. My wife-to-be and I are financing the new property through our own means. The house @ Jalan Suka belongs to my mom and she has no plans of selling it.

irisng
02-04-13, 08:08
Dear all,

Seems like there are so much discussion here .. Edenz loft, though launched earlier than one loft, the discussion is not so active.

Aiyoh, the discussion here is not solely on #1 Loft leh, it seems to be a general discussion on Geylang ppty lor.:ashamed1:

rontan_83
02-04-13, 10:58
Hi Chairman Adam,

So sorry about that for making wrong assumption...

When can u make arrangement for all the Home Buyers at Lorong 24, to meet up? The discussion is to eradicate the Vice Activities at Lorong 24..Why dont we engage the security guards to chase all the WHores away from Jalan Suka?



This is a ridiculous as well as a disappointing assumption. My wife-to-be and I are financing the new property through our own means. The house @ Jalan Suka belongs to my mom and she has no plans of selling it.

rontan_83
02-04-13, 11:02
I hope, by hook or by crook, when i moving in to #1 loft by 2016, all the chicken will be chased out....

rontan_83
02-04-13, 11:04
Aiyoh, the discussion here is not solely on #1 Loft leh, it seems to be a general discussion on Geylang ppty lor.:ashamed1:

Iris, u still single? Since u booked one unit there and staying there, u dont feel worried, that the streetwalkers there might think u r a whore?

irisng
02-04-13, 20:01
Iris, u still single? Since u booked one unit there and staying there, u dont feel worried, that the streetwalkers there might think u r a whore?

Hahaha, I'm an old lady now, no man will bother to look at me lah. They are not afraid to have nightmare meh?:D

babyt
02-04-13, 20:28
#1 Loft is not facing directly Jln Suka and Jln Molek. I think Octet is the one nearest to action. :D

JAFCO
02-04-13, 22:51
Hi Chairman Adam,

So sorry about that for making wrong assumption...

When can u make arrangement for all the Home Buyers at Lorong 24, to meet up? The discussion is to eradicate the Vice Activities at Lorong 24..Why dont we engage the security guards to chase all the WHores away from Jalan Suka?


How did joo chiat get mps and polic to driv out vice......the problem is the whores just go another street another house.....

Adam Goi
03-04-13, 00:22
How did joo chiat get mps and polic to driv out vice......the problem is the whores just go another street another house.....

Which is exactly what's going on here; the authorities are not interested in implementing systemic solution for some undisclose reasons ...

rontan_83
03-04-13, 09:43
really no way to turn Lorong 24 fully into residential area?

Adam Goi
04-04-13, 15:59
Hi to all, just an update. Some construction works have begun on the stretch nearest to Jalan Suka which I assume it's not 1 Loft.

By the way, I'm arranging an appointment with the CO of Geylang NPC so as to touch base and allow both sides to understand the situation better as well as getting some 'real updates'.

Will keep you posted, if you are interested.

JAFCO
04-04-13, 23:28
Hi to all, just an update. Some construction works have begun on the stretch nearest to Jalan Suka which I assume it's not 1 Loft.

By the way, I'm arranging an appointment with the CO of Geylang NPC so as to touch base and allow both sides to understand the situation better as well as getting some 'real updates'.

Will keep you posted, if you are interested.


have a good meeting :)

Adam Goi
05-04-13, 10:26
have a good meeting :)

Thanks, hope I'll have more good news to share; at the meantime I'm still counting on your support to spread the news via the FB page, it's gaining traction though not in a phenomenal way ...

rontan_83
05-04-13, 11:07
Thanks, hope I'll have more good news to share; at the meantime I'm still counting on your support to spread the news via the FB page, it's gaining traction though not in a phenomenal way ...
Adam , please help to chase the chicken away from lorong 24...we need to stay at a safe place ..,

SQ008
05-04-13, 22:59
Thanks, hope I'll have more good news to share; at the meantime I'm still counting on your support to spread the news via the FB page, it's gaining traction though not in a phenomenal way ...

We're still waiting for the time and date of this meeting so that we can give you support to wipe out vice in our outwardly conservative sexually sterile Asian society.

rontan_83
07-04-13, 07:31
We're still waiting for the time and date of this meeting so that we can give you support to wipe out vice in our outwardly conservative sexually sterile Asian society.
Yes, Count me in... If u need our support..

JAFCO
07-04-13, 18:35
Adam , please help to chase the chicken away from lorong 24...we need to stay at a safe place ..,


At Amsterdam, the ladies are packed in shoebox windows.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcSjq0YdUFk&NR=1&feature=endscreen

could this happen then by 2030......???if we become a global city....

Adam Goi
07-04-13, 20:40
Hi, I'll be arranging a meeting with all of us once the conference with Geylang NPC is settled. Hope to to bring more useful information to the table.
Stay tuned.

siewsphone
08-04-13, 12:29
Btw, I wonder how we calculate the LOFT space? If it stated 560 sqf, does it included air space as well?

babyt
08-04-13, 15:53
airspace is stated as Void in the Sales agreement.

for example, though im paying for 51sqm, I m actually paying for 42sqm.

siewsphone
08-04-13, 16:30
airspace is stated as Void in the Sales agreement.

for example, though im paying for 51sqm, I m actually paying for 42sqm.

I see............ :D

irisng
13-04-13, 17:45
Pass by Lorong 24 this morning at around 11am+. Saw lots of Indian vice in their sarees, very conservative type (1st time I see Indian vice) but not much of the chinese vice. Where are all the chinese vice gone to? Jalan Suka also very quiet. Two weeks back, there were so many Chinese vice than today. Also not much of the men stood there to watch the vice today. Is this an "Indian Day" today, all Indian men and Indian "ladies" there.

rontan_83
13-04-13, 18:25
Pass by Lorong 24 this morning at around 11am+. Saw lots of Indian vice in their sarees, very conservative type (1st time I see Indian vice) but not much of the chinese vice. Where are all the chinese vice gone to? Jalan Suka also very quiet. Two weeks back, there were so many Chinese vice than today. Also not much of the men stood there to watch the vice today. Is this an "Indian Day" today, all Indian men and Indian "ladies" there.

iris...u bought a unit at Lorong 24 too?..hehe

SQ008
13-04-13, 21:54
Pass by Lorong 24 this morning at around 11am+. Saw lots of Indian vice in their sarees, very conservative type (1st time I see Indian vice) but not much of the chinese vice. Where are all the chinese vice gone to? Jalan Suka also very quiet. Two weeks back, there were so many Chinese vice than today. Also not much of the men stood there to watch the vice today. Is this an "Indian Day" today, all Indian men and Indian "ladies" there.


The reason is because Deskar road conservation shophouses which used to be brothels now cost $5M, so that cannot sell their saris there anymore.

irisng
14-04-13, 09:36
iris...u bought a unit at Lorong 24 too?..hehe


:cool: but :tsk-tsk:

Adam Goi
15-04-13, 14:13
Pass by Lorong 24 this morning at around 11am+. Saw lots of Indian vice in their sarees, very conservative type (1st time I see Indian vice) but not much of the chinese vice. Where are all the chinese vice gone to? Jalan Suka also very quiet. Two weeks back, there were so many Chinese vice than today. Also not much of the men stood there to watch the vice today. Is this an "Indian Day" today, all Indian men and Indian "ladies" there.

Jalan Suka was quiet? Maybe you caught them while everyone's 'taking a break'. Otherwise it's been very robust.

The streetwalkers are mainly Indians, Vietnamese and even a few locals, Malay and Chinese and they are all over the place ...

irisng
15-04-13, 19:10
Jalan Suka was quiet? Maybe you caught them while everyone's 'taking a break'. Otherwise it's been very robust.

The streetwalkers are mainly Indians, Vietnamese and even a few locals, Malay and Chinese and they are all over the place ...

That's why I'm very curious, where are all the Chinese and instead I saw many Indians and maybe 3 or 4 chinese. Maybe I'm too early on that day.

buttercarp
15-04-13, 20:54
Sis Iris, you go there so many times?
Next time you go there, you take pictures or video of the place for us to see?

property_finder
15-04-13, 22:13
Jalan Suka was quiet? Maybe you caught them while everyone's 'taking a break'. Otherwise it's been very robust.

The streetwalkers are mainly Indians, Vietnamese and even a few locals, Malay and Chinese and they are all over the place ...

Hi Adam,

In your youtube videos, "Jalan Suka - Lorong 24 (23/3/2013) ~ My neighours, the running prostitutes - Part I & II", what are the prostitutes running away from, and is the uncle (who before that was talking on some sort of walkie-talkie and led the prostitute running, he's the pimp guy? Another man then closed the gate! So many of them all part of the vice ring located in the unit(s) just below your apartment?

How often do these "running" incidents occur?

PF

Adam Goi
15-04-13, 22:52
Sis Iris, you go there so many times?
Next time you go there, you take pictures or video of the place for us to see?

Erm, don't think it's good advice; it's not safe ...

Adam Goi
15-04-13, 22:53
Hi Adam,

In your youtube videos, "Jalan Suka - Lorong 24 (23/3/2013) ~ My neighours, the running prostitutes - Part I & II", what are the prostitutes running away from, and is the uncle (who before that was talking on some sort of walkie-talkie and led the prostitute running, he's the pimp guy? Another man then closed the gate! So many of them all part of the vice ring located in the unit(s) just below your apartment?

How often do these "running" incidents occur?

PF

It's part and parcel of life here @ Jalan Suka ...

babyt
15-04-13, 23:30
Based on URA March data,

50 out of 80 units sold for #1 Loft
30 out of 42 units sold for Edenz Loft
0 out of 56 for The Octet

irisng
16-04-13, 08:06
Sis Iris, you go there so many times?
Next time you go there, you take pictures or video of the place for us to see?

I went to see the progress of my project in other Lorong almost every weekend, so on the way drove into Lorong 24 and have a look. Ever thought of taking the photos to share here but don't dare leh. So many vice and "men" around there, I doubt they will let you take their photos, I scare they will come after me.

mcmlxxvi
16-04-13, 09:22
Based on URA March data,

50 out of 80 units sold for #1 Loft
30 out of 42 units sold for Edenz Loft
0 out of 56 for The Octet

Octet should have their showflat sited eg beside Aljunied mrt instead. Maybe can see a handful of sales vs 0. Just a suggestion.

Adam Goi
16-04-13, 12:16
I went to see the progress of my project in other Lorong almost every weekend, so on the way drove into Lorong 24 and have a look. Ever thought of taking the photos to share here but don't dare leh. So many vice and "men" around there, I doubt they will let you take their photos, I scare they will come after me.

Best is to use the footage from the SPF-CCTV which is located at the junction of Lorong 24 and Jalan Suka; sure captured anything that moves and doesn't move. But then again, SPF doesn't share it; I'm not even sure whether it's working or not ... hang on, I'm not even sure the authorities 'are working' on enforcement here ...

rontan_83
16-04-13, 14:36
Based on URA March data,

50 out of 80 units sold for #1 Loft
30 out of 42 units sold for Edenz Loft
0 out of 56 for The Octet

Baby T..since one loft has sold more than 60%...can u chase the developer to commence the construction works ASAP...seems like no construction activities at all....

babyt
16-04-13, 14:41
u r funny. im just a buyer of a unit like u...u ask me to chase developer to start building??? :doh:

irisng
16-04-13, 17:54
Baby T..since one loft has sold more than 60%...can u chase the developer to commence the construction works ASAP...seems like no construction activities at all....

Not so fast. When I first bought my apartment, the enbloc apartment was also not tear down yet. My agent told me that 6 months later, then they would start the foundation work. Foundation work take longer times, other than that, it will be quite fast, now they have built up to 8 storey already (approx 1.5 yrs including the foundation work).

GSLJ
17-04-13, 18:38
Seems there are many concerns regarding the vice activities in the area which is already well known.

Just curious, if this is so why then choose to invest in a Geylang unit? :confused:

Still, congrats to all owners. The loft units looks really chic and cool.
Loved it! :cheers4:

irisng
17-04-13, 20:14
Seems there are many concerns regarding the vice activities in the area which is already well known.

Just curious, if this is so why then choose to invest in a Geylang unit? :confused:

Still, congrats to all owners. The loft units looks really chic and cool.
Loved it! :cheers4:

No choice lor, no "Vitamin M "to buy other area that is near to city and yet is freehold.:ashamed1:

rontan_83
17-04-13, 20:56
below are the reasons:


-5mins walk to aljunied MRT
-near CBD
-High rental yield
-freehold
-low density apartment
- per sqft only 1350 dollars...
for redhill 99 years leasehold , per sqft 2000 dollars

babyt
17-04-13, 21:23
I have spoken to 3 agents who r frens w me and who are not related to each other and don't do my sales....they said Geylang can buy one. rental yield is high.

rontan_83
19-04-13, 07:39
I have spoken to 3 agents who r frens w me and who are not related to each other and don't do my sales....they said Geylang can buy one. rental yield is high.

Babyt,

HOw much can the 1bedroom type to be rented out?
$1500 per month?

babyt
19-04-13, 08:00
rontan, I find ur qns u asked for #1 Loft very weird...u said the TOP is very long, u dunno the rental yield etc....then how u actually make the decision to buy #1 Loft when you didn't do ur work or ask ur agent.

just curious only lah.

rental sld be about 2.5K-3K.

rontan_83
19-04-13, 21:45
rontan, I find ur qns u asked for #1 Loft very weird...u said the TOP is very long, u dunno the rental yield etc....then how u actually make the decision to buy #1 Loft when you didn't do ur work or ask ur agent.

just curious only lah.

rental sld be about 2.5K-3K.

Babyt...this is the cheapest private housing in SG....so i hv got no other choice...

rontan_83
24-04-13, 07:09
One loft vs Edenz Loft...which one better?

babyt
24-04-13, 07:52
#1 loft.

cos double storey unlike edenz. more unique.

actually #1loft is not very near to Suka and Molek also. Octet is the one nearest to action

mcmlxxvi
24-04-13, 09:01
Babyt...this is the cheapest private housing in SG....so i hv got no other choice...

Treasures at G20 is cheaper.

irisng
24-04-13, 19:45
Where are the showroom for all the 3 projects in Lor 24?

Xiao Hei
25-04-13, 08:55
Where are the showroom for all the 3 projects in Lor 24?


The showroom for Edenz Loft have already closed.

The showroom for #1 Loft is located along 68 Guillemard Road, roughly oppositie of Lor 14. But I think it is closing as well.

The showroom for The Octet is located at Lor 22. Beside Santa Grand.

irisng
25-04-13, 16:50
The showroom for Edenz Loft have already closed.

The showroom for #1 Loft is located along 68 Guillemard Road, roughly oppositie of Lor 14. But I think it is closing as well.

The showroom for The Octet is located at Lor 22. Beside Santa Grand.


Thank you.:p

GSLJ
25-04-13, 17:48
No choice lor, no "Vitamin M "to buy other area that is near to city and yet is freehold.:ashamed1:You are too modest, I think this condo will be lovely when it's ready with freehold being one big plus factor. :)

GSLJ
25-04-13, 17:55
below are the reasons:


-5mins walk to aljunied MRT
-near CBD
-High rental yield
-freehold
-low density apartment
- per sqft only 1350 dollars...
for redhill 99 years leasehold , per sqft 2000 dollarsThanks for your reply.

Actually I find the area rather nice, with lots of good food and near town. For own stay, just have to adapt to the environment.:)

babyt
25-04-13, 21:32
if Versailles @ Guillemard Road deal goes through, do u think it will jack up Geylang price? I think so....its good for us. ;)

rontan_83
26-04-13, 07:44
BABYT....

what does the developer not disclosing to us the commencement date for the building demolitions works?

i think we have to wait till 2018 only can TOP....

Xiao Hei
26-04-13, 09:01
BABYT....

what does the developer not disclosing to us the commencement date for the building demolitions works?

i think we have to wait till 2018 only can TOP....


No way man...

The date stated for TOP is in year 2016. They have to compensate customer if they are not able to deliver before the promised TOP date. Do you think the developer is so stupid to pay out money?

They rather TOP earlier, as they are ablet to get money from the bank.

Anyway, it is just a few small units to demolish. It will be very fast.

babyt
26-04-13, 12:29
xiaohei, u also brought unit from #1Loft?

Xiao Hei
26-04-13, 13:13
xiaohei, u also brought unit from #1Loft?


Hi BabyT, I did not buy #1 Loft. As the unit I like is sold.

I am currently aiming The Octet.

babyt
26-04-13, 14:09
Buying for own stay?

which unit u saw at #1loft u like but sold? Mine at top floor #08.

rontan_83
26-04-13, 15:11
No way man...

The date stated for TOP is in year 2016. They have to compensate customer if they are not able to deliver before the promised TOP date. Do you think the developer is so stupid to pay out money?

They rather TOP earlier, as they are ablet to get money from the bank.

Anyway, it is just a few small units to demolish. It will be very fast.


Xiaohei,

According to the S&P, the legal TOP date is December 2018....At this moment, i havent seen any site works ....i think they will delay until next 2018...