Forum Etiquette

[Laguna]

First I would like to thank many forummers sent me well wishes and many of you welcome me back. Whether I am Mdm Soh or not is irrelevant and don't make anymore guessing as that is not fair to me nor to her.

I just took a look of the current active users in this forum, I was very surprised of there are so many guests and silent readers, and they are very active. In other words, this forum is highly respectable.

A few have shared with me that the quality of this forum is getting worst and I fully agreed to that.

I just googled Forum Etiquette and there are so many do and don't. Of course, it is a open forum, and it is the freedom that we enjoy to be here to TCSS, to share and learn.

However, I appeal to all forummers that

1. please don't make obscene or harassing posts
2. Don't use of foul, vulgar, abusive and profane language
3. respect the privacy of others

[yowetan]

Hi..Welcome back and please respect my Mt Sinai dream.

[chiaberry]

Welcome back!

And to add more specifically (for those whose England is not so good - sorry ah!):

Don't try to pry into other forum members' private lives.

Then we can continue to TCSS and share into 2013 and beyond!


:cheers4:

[mcmlxxvi]

Hi dear sis, I always like to put myself into the shoes of others to understand better.

So let me try this...

In their thinking, since 2012 is a year of scandals and betrayals, and open book sex lives and what not online, I guess a lot of people have been affected and there is general 'shift' in acceptance that pushing the boundaries is ok as long as 'I didn't directly plant a knife into someone'.

It also further reinforces the fact that Singapore is such a small country, and there is really nothing truly private once we go online and share. As long as we interact in the real world, there will be exchange of information, even not so much as just our name. Therefore, it is extremely difficult to partition clearly online and offline lives, as often things do cross.

I think this is what many call the 'progress of society' 社会/时代的变迁。

As for whether it is GOOD or BAD, we leave it to time to tell.

That said, 2012 offers a good lesson for all of us to be careful and mindful of what we say and do whether on or offline. As long as we are true to ourselves, there is nothing to fear.

Like a knife, it can be a tool or a weapon depending on how it is used. The same can be said of the internet.

We just make sure we are fully armoured before using it.

Happy to have you back to tcss with us!!!! :cheers4:

[Cyberknight]

Laguna, welcome back. We love to see your contributions. Let's keep e irresponsible forummers out. We all just want to learn from each other and share best experiences.

[newbie11]

The truth out there is Internet has a lot of liars, posers, trolls, hidden agendas. Just like the Facebook users who made negative comments during GE, to singtel, smrt, ministers. Scary. Ok i am real as my business is real. Lol..

[mcmlxxvi]

Another point to add, suddenly reminded me.

Those who are Guests cannot view certain content.

Eg. will be attachments.

So to encourage less 'lurking', let's all try to post floorplans, layouts etc via attachments. LOL

[Sea Esta]

Welcome back, Laguna!

I want to add to Laguna's points.

This is a public forum. Everyone is entitled a view. If the views of others are different from you, it does not mean it is wrong. Respect each other views and enjoy the information sharing.

:D

[phantom_opera]

well said mcm, as long as true to yourself, but I very scared certain nick seems to have multiple split personalities :simmering: as least yowetan is always Mt Sinai :p

[rymccondo77]

Welcome back Laguna :)

I personally think its important to have an active forum administrator. Forums like myhometown has a "on the ball" forum administrator - actively removes advertisements and bans people that break the forum rules.

[yowetan]

well said mcm, as long as true to yourself, but I very scared certain nick seems to have multiple split personalities :simmering: as least yowetan is always Mt Sinai :p

Hi..the fact is - I dont have a crone, nor I have an agenda.

I am truly looking for a residential home for my whole family, and all of our family members and myself particularly prefer Mt Sinai for various obvious reason(s).

Also, adding to Sea Esta point - Please do respect fellow forumers (i.e. my dream of owning a Mt Sinai property) and refrain from throwing insults and unpleasant comments (direct or/and indirect, intentional/non-intentional or whatever agenda) repeatedly. It is fine to be criticized and I am open to it, however when a person begins to attack a person's integrity and moral value, he or/and she (sharing one nick) shall be subjected or willing to accept people's attack (direct/indirect).

In short, we including myself are here to share good practices and opportunitie(s) if there is any. Open to criticism is part of the learning and acceptance of people's opinion(s), perspective(s) and xx cents view(s) are equally important to nurture and build a person's character.

Lastly, this is for Laguna - If you say (1) you better deliver (1). Currently you are not delivering. Nonetheless, as my very first input in your thread - welcome back to the forum. You may be wise but you cannot be right everytime; Hint: Lee Kuan Yew.

[buttercarp]

Hi..the fact is - I dont have a crone, nor I have an agenda.



Before bro mcm spots the mistake....

I think you meant "clone"?

[Laguna]

Lastly, this is for Laguna - If you say (1) you better deliver (1). Currently you are not delivering. Nonetheless, as my very first input in your thread - .


耳东先生
我写一切关于你的，都是出至於你，可能加了少许油，炒香了一点

[yowetan]

Before bro mcm spots the mistake....

I think you meant "clone"?

Hi...I meant both. Thanks for including "clone" for me.

[yowetan]

耳东先生
我写一切关于你的，都是出至於你，可能加了少许油，炒香了一点


Hi...your definition of measurement is relative; it doesn't matter little or many. It is either YES or NO; one or zero. 多 一点，少一点 无所胃。最中要是“有” 还是“没有”。

我就是“明知山有虎，偏向虎山行”。

[buttercarp]

Hi..the fact is - I dont have a crone, nor I have an agenda.



Hi...I meant both. Thanks for including "clone" for me.

Crone = a witchlike old woman .......

Strange that you brought it up.

[buttercarp]

耳东先生





I like this new name ......!
Yowetan, your surname is chen?


我就是“明知山有虎，偏向虎山行 "

Isn't this 以卵击石？

[mcmlxxvi]

wow even i learn new word today, crone

[yowetan]

Crone = a witchlike old woman .......

Strange that you brought it up.

Hi...(not meant to you below)

As good old saying - “最毒夫人心， 难养也”。

Okay, I shall stop using chinese here. I am not here for poetry competition.

[yowetan]

I like this new name ......!
Yowetan, your surname is chen?



Isn't this 以卵击石？

Yes, my chinese surname is Chen. Being Singaporean, my dialect surname is Tan.

It is not a matter of going against wave, but challenge to go beyond the wave. I believe I have the opportunity and the vision to get one. I must keep the faith.

[irisng]

Hi Laguna, glad that you are back to this big family. :cheers4:

Unavoidable, there might have some jokes going on here to make this forum more lively and enjoyable but hope that it is not at the expense of other people or at least keep within limit.



I am truly looking for a residential home for my whole family, and all of our family members and myself particularly prefer Mt Sinai for various obvious reason(s).

Is it that the fengshui at Mt Sinai suits you? Like my friend, insists to get a certain location because the fengshui master told him that only that location suits him.

[Laguna]

Hi...your definition of measurement is relative; it doesn't matter little or many. It is either YES or NO; one or zero. 多 一点，少一点 无所胃。最中要是“有” 还是“没有”。

我就是“明知山有虎，偏向虎山行”。

武松先生，
基本在，我是把你的故事写漂亮些。
其实你的梦是很容易实现。卖掉你所谓三间HDB,你就够本钱了。问题是你不知你父母，岳父母会把钱交给你吗，其次，你又要收全部的租金。你要鱼，又要熊掌。而你又不善开源。
对不对？不写了，看戏比较好。 我在看苏东坡，你该看这套戏，对你有益

[yowetan]

Hi Laguna, glad that you are back to this big family. :cheers4:

Unavoidable, there might have some jokes going on here to make this forum more lively and enjoyable but hope that it is not at the expense of other people or at least keep within limit.



Is it that the fengshui at Mt Sinai suits you? Like my friend, insists to get a certain location because the fengshui master told him that only that location suits him.

Hi...I like Mt Sinai intrinsic value and attraction - Serene & Green and strategically position and a quality primary school.

[yowetan]

武松先生，
基本在，我是把你的故事写漂亮些。
其实你的梦是很容易实现。卖掉你所谓三间HDB,你就够本钱了。问题是你不知你父母，岳父母会把钱交给你吗，其次，你又要收全部的租金。你要鱼，又要熊掌。而你又不善开源。
对不对？不写了，看戏比较好。 我在看苏东坡，你该看这套戏，对你有益

Hi..I read the novel(s) when I was in secondary school waiting for my O level result.

Mt Sinai is definitely within reach if there is an opportunity arise.

[irisng]

Another point to add, suddenly reminded me.

Those who are Guests cannot view certain content.

Eg. will be attachments.

So to encourage less 'lurking', let's all try to post floorplans, layouts etc via attachments. LOL

Ya, btw how you manage the attachment. I have been trying so many times, but just couldn't manage it :banghead:

Below is how I do it, did I do it correctly?
1) Click "Manage Attachments" shown below when replying
2) Browse my file
3) Upload

So when the file was being uploaded, don't know why it didn't appear here instead it appears next to the word "upload", do I need to copy and paste it here?

[buttercarp]

Ya, btw how you manage the attachment. I have been trying so many times, but just couldn't manage it :banghead:

Below is how I do it, did I do it correctly?
1) Click "Manage Attachments" shown below when replying
2) Browse my file
3) Upload

So when the file was being uploaded, don't know why it didn't appear here instead it appears next to the word "upload", do I need to copy and paste it here?

Sis, that way you can only post the pictures as thumb nails and those who don't log in cannot see it.
Sometimes if the file is too big, it cannot be uploaded.

What I do is, save the picture into a thumb drive, then upload it onto a photosharing site (I use twitter).
Then from that site (twitter), I copy the picture and then paste directly onto the reply page of this forum.

If the picture is from a website and file size is not too big, you don't even need to upload it onto a photosharing site.
You simply copy the picture and paste it on this forum.

[zeamybro]

Irissis, u can use tinypic.com. After upload they will you some URLs. Choose the one with [IMG], copy and paste directly on where you type...

[Secretariat]

First I would like to thank many forummers sent me well wishes and many of you welcome me back. Whether I am Mdm Soh or not is irrelevant and don't make anymore guessing as that is not fair to me nor to her.

I just took a look of the current active users in this forum, I was very surprised of there are so many guests and silent readers, and they are very active. In other words, this forum is highly respectable.

A few have shared with me that the quality of this forum is getting worst and I fully agreed to that.

I just googled Forum Etiquette and there are so many do and don't. Of course, it is a open forum, and it is the freedom that we enjoy to be here to TCSS, to share and learn.

However, I appeal to all forummers that

1. please don't make obscene or harassing posts
2. Don't use of foul, vulgar, abusive and profane language
3. respect the privacy of others

I was just a reader, and decided to post a few months ago.

The forum's responses to the posting were, at times, rather cynical. And so, I thought why bother to post, since many are not interested in views of others.

I posted some comments at Renotalk for a couple of years, under the nick Lauer, and never gotten the same kind of receptions.

Here? Why bother...

[Khng8]

Hi Laguna, Secretariat,
Your knowledge & views are respected and I look forward to your continued contribution.
There will always be detractors but what is important to know is that there is a far greater number of 'believers' whom want to learn & grow through your sharing.
Keep up the good work and you should just ignore the noises.

Laguna - I don't know what ailment you have but keep well & speedy recovery.

[irisng]

Sis, that way you can only post the pictures as thumb nails and those who don't log in cannot see it.
Sometimes if the file is too big, it cannot be uploaded.

What I do is, save the picture into a thumb drive, then upload it onto a photosharing site (I use twitter).
Then from that site (twitter), I copy the picture and then paste directly onto the reply page of this forum.

If the picture is from a website and file size is not too big, you don't even need to upload it onto a photosharing site.
You simply copy the picture and paste it on this forum.


Irissis, u can use tinypic.com. After upload they will you some URLs. Choose the one with [IMG], copy and paste directly on where you type...

Thank you so much. I will try both methods when I have pictures to upload.:cheers4:

[stl67]

I was just a reader, and decided to post a few months ago.

The forum's responses to the posting were, at times, rather cynical. And so, I thought why bother to post, since many are not interested in views of others.

I posted some comments at Renotalk for a couple of years, under the nick Lauer, and never gotten the same kind of receptions.

Here? Why bother...

The Renotalk got less people, so maybe less opinion. Pls continue to post.

Happy NY:cheers4:

[GoodLife]

I am new to this forum. Chance upon it when I was googling for property and was linked to here.

Many like me were unable to register, for several months, as the forum were closed for new register. Hence was left out in the dry, only can read all your postings. Finally, was able to register as new member, but was not able to post.

Only today, I was able to post. FINALLY, I can post!!!!

I agree that we need to keep this forum healthy. That is what a great forum is for. It is for like-minded professional (condo-investors) to come together to share and learn form each other.

If the forum turns into a "free-for-all" language and behaviour, then soon, it will be avoided by all.

We may disagree with each other opinion, but let's respect each other point of view. Not get personal.

Cheers.

[mcmlxxvi]

It's weird... how long did it take from the day you join to now when you could post?


I am new to this forum. Chance upon it when I was googling for property and was linked to here.

Many like me were unable to register, for several months, as the forum were closed for new register. Hence was left out in the dry, only can read all your postings. Finally, was able to register as new member, but was not able to post.

Only today, I was able to post. FINALLY, I can post!!!!

I agree that we need to keep this forum healthy. That is what a great forum is for. It is for like-minded professional (condo-investors) to come together to share and learn form each other.

If the forum turns into a "free-for-all" language and behaviour, then soon, it will be avoided by all.

We may disagree with each other opinion, but let's respect each other point of view. Not get personal.

Cheers.

[GoodLife]

It's weird... how long did it take from the day you join to now when you could post?

1 week. Registered on 24 Dec.

The wait for regristering was longer. I started searching for PC in Oct/Nov. Only on 24 Dec, was I able to register. Send email to Administrator also no reply. :banghead: Maybe Admin busy going showflat and buying PC. heeeee :)

But this forum is good information ground. I did choose my PC after reading postings by your guys. Thanks.

Now looking for my 2nd PC....... :D

[mcmlxxvi]

1 week. Registered on 24 Dec.

The wait for regristering was longer. I started searching for PC in Oct/Nov. Only on 24 Dec, was I able to register. Send email to Administrator also no reply. :banghead: Maybe Admin busy going showflat and buying PC. heeeee :)

But this forum is good information ground. I did choose my PC after reading postings by your guys. Thanks.

Now looking for my 2nd PC....... :D

Admin busy moderating off 'sh itty and s holey posts la'....

BTW since you said this forum helped u with your decision, care to share which one you bought?

[GoodLife]

Admin busy moderating off 'sh itty and s holey posts la'....

BTW since you said this forum helped u with your decision, care to share which one you bought?


eCO SOHO! Laguna's choice too......:)

[mcmlxxvi]

eCO SOHO! Laguna's choice too......:)

:cheers1: :cheers2: :cheers4:

[jeaprp]

Hi...I like Mt Sinai intrinsic value and attraction - Serene & Green and strategically position and a quality primary school.

Do what u like, don't be bothered by what others say.
as long as u are happy:cool:

[buttercarp]

I was just a reader, and decided to post a few months ago.

The forum's responses to the posting were, at times, rather cynical. And so, I thought why bother to post, since many are not interested in views of others.

I posted some comments at Renotalk for a couple of years, under the nick Lauer, and never gotten the same kind of receptions.

Here? Why bother...

Hi Secretariat, your posts are informative and I look forward to them.
Renotalk forum people are serious people looking for advice when they need to renovate their homes, after that they disappear and reappear again later if they need help . It's a one off thing.
Here people come and tcss as well, so inevitably there will be different types of responses.

[Laguna]

eCO SOHO! Laguna's choice too......:)

Let's see on 5 Feb the tender for land parcel next to eCO will be closed.
Market is seeing around $850....

[irisng]

I agree that we need to keep this forum healthy. That is what a great forum is for. It is for like-minded professional (condo-investors) to come together to share and learn form each other.

If the forum turns into a "free-for-all" language and behaviour, then soon, it will be avoided by all.

We may disagree with each other opinion, but let's respect each other point of view. Not get personal.

Cheers.

This forum is not just mainly on condo investment, you can talk anything under the sun too but inorder to keep this forum "clean", we must have a limit to our words and know when to stop.

[Secretariat]

Hi Secretariat, your posts are informative and I look forward to them.
Renotalk forum people are serious people looking for advice when they need to renovate their homes, after that they disappear and reappear again later if they need help . It's a one off thing.
Here people come and tcss as well, so inevitably there will be different types of responses.

That will be fine, if I intended to visit this forum to hehehaha everytime.

I have benefited from the generosity of the contributors of Renotalk forum, information that explained the process of landed purchasing and reconstruction, without which the houses would probably not be built. The valuation has more than doubled in a short 2-years, and multi-folds when calculating against capital employed. It does seen terribly unfair for those who missed the opportunity, especially if they had hesitated dong landed because of a lack of knowledge and guidance from someone.

I owed these contributors for showing the way, and in return therefore I was also trying to help the others, as from experience, very very few people have the competency.

And my appearance in this forum was widen the coverage, in addition to Renotalk, particularly for the subject of landed construction.

So, if anyone has any questions on landed, you can send me the PM via Renotalk, as this is the last post.

Happy new year to All.

Cheers!

[Shanhz]

Can forum admin change the settings.. so that newbies (i mean new nicks) can only start a thread when they have hit something like 25 posts or whatever?

So they will need to participate (hopefully constructively) first, before starting so many threads, this will ensure healthy discussion and not so many threads bashing here and there.

[buttercarp]

Can forum admin change the settings.. so that newbies (i mean new nicks) can only start a thread when they have hit something like 25 posts or whatever?

So they will need to participate (hopefully constructively) first, before starting so many threads, this will ensure healthy discussion and not so many threads bashing here and there.

Hi shanz, you ca pm the administrator regarding this issue.

[buttercarp]

That will be fine, if I intended to visit this forum to hehehaha everytime.

I have benefited from the generosity of the contributors of Renotalk forum, information that explained the process of landed purchasing and reconstruction, without which the houses would probably not be built. The valuation has more than doubled in a short 2-years, and multi-folds when calculating against capital employed. It does seen terribly unfair for those who missed the opportunity, especially if they had hesitated dong landed because of a lack of knowledge and guidance from someone.

I owed these contributors for showing the way, and in return therefore I was also trying to help the others, as from experience, very very few people have the competency.

And my appearance in this forum was widen the coverage, in addition to Renotalk, particularly for the subject of landed construction.

So, if anyone has any questions on landed, you can send me the PM via Renotalk, as this is the last post.

Happy new year to All.

Cheers!

I was just a reader, and decided to post a few months ago.

The forum's responses to the posting were, at times, rather cynical. And so, I thought why bother to post, since many are not interested in views of others.

I posted some comments at Renotalk for a couple of years, under the nick Lauer, and never gotten the same kind of receptions.

Here? Why bother...

Just realized the secretariat has really decided not to post anymore.
So if you need to contact him, you can do so at renotalk forum.
His user name is Lauer there.

[myfirstpc]

Can forum admin change the settings.. so that newbies (i mean new nicks) can only start a thread when they have hit something like 25 posts or whatever?

So they will need to participate (hopefully constructively) first, before starting so many threads, this will ensure healthy discussion and not so many threads bashing here and there.

New Nick here. And I totally agree with Shanhz. :banghead: I seemed to be distracted by the new threads, which lasts a few pages and stall. Tiring and may not be beneficial/constructive and usually does not have the contents. IMHO

[howgozit]

Actually l think the problem is not with the "newbies".

The problem lies with the "seniors" who are not receptive to new ideas and relentlessly and viciously attack the "newbies".

For example l think @economists presents valid arguments and rational debate. But just because his view is contrary to the bullish"seniors", his is somewhat "attacked". Ifeel it is refreshing to have diverse views

Btw, just because one is new to the forum does not necessarily mean he/she is new to the property scene.

[Hakuho]

For the moment, there is enough posting made so I will just lurk. Ahaha.

There are 2 posters that drew me to this forum initially and still do:

bargain hunter, who has been consistently objective. I look at the same data as he does, but not as intensely,

Vic. Although posting almost exclusively on debts/CPF, his messages are very subtle, YBYM, but more importantly he looks at risk all the time.

I am thankful of their contributions.

And there are others.



"There is no bear in the property market"

People who are not vested, they will buy eventually, if even only for consumption.

People who rent, they are our customers. Unless they plan on leaving Singapore, they will buy eventually. (You think they are so happy to hand over their hard earned money to us meh?)

For the forum opinion leaders, you should be delighted when they post. Isn't these the opportunity to convert them into buyers? It is counter productive to piss them off if you think about it.

Opinion leaders should behave like missionaries, whose mission to spread the messages of God, converting non believers into believers. In carrying out their works, the missionaries are gentle to the flock, stayed truthful to the messages. They don't laugh at non believers, they don't impose their belief. Unless they are ISIS.

Buying a property is a big financial commitment, and not all buyers are investors. We should be responsible in what we say publicly. We present the fact, that's all. We can make speculation, but not presenting it as fact.

Some said, "property is always going up". This is true, but only when we look at it over a long time period say 20, 30 years. In between the years, there are cycles. Property purchase is leveraged, when a purchase is made at the wrong timing within cycles, the capital deployed can be wiped out.

Some will say "oh, never mind it is just a paper loss if I don't sell". That's just fooling yourselves. No matter how I quantified the so-called paper loss, to me it is real. So, stop being lazy when you are making a decision to buy, alright? Assess all the risks before making a decision, if not for yourself then for your family.

The property market is not static, the underlying fundamental kept changing. Which type of property will be a winner in this cycle is not necessarily the winner in the previous'. And I sense that the cycle is getting shorter and shorter, so do stay nimble if you planned on buying.


(To the French guy, you made a million, others have made millions. You counted 3 in your portfolio, including one that is sold, others probably have 6 etc but they keep quiet. You don't know how to deploy your money other than property, it only means that you are not smarter than those who do.

It's all about substance in what you say. But if you choose to be a fool, nobody can stop you. Ahaha)

Sayonara!

[Kelonguni]

In 2013 I stuck to my philosophy of wait rather than to buy a small property with stock gains.

I think I was a minority as well, attacked for contrarian views that there was limited upside, and huge risks for downside especially high quantum properties.

I stuck to my views and refrained from buying then.

Even after my ideal place to buy was launched I refrained as prices were too high I felt.

Indeed ultimately the price fell by about 100k and the price I bought was amongst the lowest in the development which was sold out quite soon after.

My point is, if don't believe, what we can do is to wait. But we just bear with the consequences of waiting, good or bad.

And the risks differ for different groups of waiters. In terms of time point, the risks are moderate as price rise will also be moderated. One simply can catch up unless the supply runs dry.

[CPMW]

kelonguni, may i know what is that ideal place you are referring to?

[Kelonguni]

kelonguni, may i know what is that ideal place you are referring to?

What is ideal for me may not be ideal for another.

It's near decent schools and the employment area of my spouse and I, as well as that of many others. HDB prices and rental are amongst the top estates.

Either way of deployment it suits my needs.

[DMCK]

for me, away from my work place, away from the crowds

i love quiet and nature

[Kelonguni]

Such places with nature and space getting really, really rare. You may be surprised that there are people who like to rent this kind of place that is not so near MRT, although rent is not high (not that low as well).

Living far from workplace is a good choice too but I think needs to be supported by private transport. I have a colleague who must live far away from workplace.

And that should be one of my choices when I stop working as well.

But actually with Singapore's way of managing space, we might be able to find places that allow us to switch off but not so far from our workplace.



for me, away from my work place, away from the crowds

i love quiet and nature

[PropVestor]

Talking about future spaces that is not so 'away' from everything. This is one huge site post 2030 which you can consider. Sea or Marina facing.

https://www.ura.gov.sg/uol/master-plan/View-Master-Plan/master-plan-2014/master-plan/Regional-highlights/central-area/central-area/Greater-southern-waterfront.aspx

[Tomutomi]

Should not one common sense etiquette is to minimize out of topic posts :p

[Arcachon]

Should not one common sense etiquette is to minimize out of topic posts :p

Don't be so serious, life is short. Enjoy every day like your last day and you will love it.
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[anythingwhatever]

for me, away from my work place, away from the crowds

i love quiet and nature

JB should be far enough... :)