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hopeful
21-09-12, 15:59
anybody read yesterday article about CPIB?
this paragraph strike me

He said: "We strengthened the laws against corruption, gave CPIB officers more powers of interrogation and to seize documents. We introduced a fundamental change in the law on burden of proof that if a man possesses more assets than his known income, he is presumed to be corrupt and he must account for his assets beyond what he earns."

whatever happened to the concept of innocent until proven guilty?
equalizer
21-09-12, 16:02
You watch too many US Law TV shows...


Welcome to Singapore....
Allthepies
21-09-12, 16:25
this is a good change. send a strong signal tat corruption is not tolerated. prevent corrupted people from being ya ya papaya
hopeful
21-09-12, 16:45
actually not good le

if innocent until proven guilty, usually have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty.
now if guilty until proven innocent, now have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is innocent.
i wonder how come those civil societies, constitutional experts dont make any noise this?

from reading too much zerohedge:
benjamin franklin:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

martin-niemöller:
"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."
carbuncle
21-09-12, 17:52
migrate Lor. or wud u rather face what Alex au is got thru right now foe speaking up n kp
buttercarp
21-09-12, 17:55
Now I suddenly remembered that I forgot to watch the lawyer show starring Joanne Peh last nite.
graveyard
21-09-12, 19:12
So yt is assumed to have FV, a few HDB with the intention to buy a MM unless proven guilty of lying!
radha08
21-09-12, 22:37
adjourned until proven guilty...:rolleyes:

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/singapore/story/city-harvest-church-case-adjourned-oct-4-20120830
radha08
21-09-12, 22:38
So yt is assumed to have FV, a few HDB with the intention to buy a MM unless proven guilty of lying!
hai yo....why u all love yt so much...:doh:
Allthepies
21-09-12, 22:41
actually not good le

if innocent until proven guilty, usually have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty.
now if guilty until proven innocent, now have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is innocent.
i wonder how come those civil societies, constitutional experts dont make any noise this?

from reading too much zerohedge:
benjamin franklin:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

martin-niemöller:
"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

some "advance" country already practise guilty until proven innocent... taiwan if i remember correctly.