View Full Version : Small-format Unit (aka mm, shoebox)...Look and tell me if this is inhumane to u.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL23OllbW_M&feature=player_embedded
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/10050938/for-rent-rv-suites
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/11066698/for-sale-suites-eunos
buttercarp
09-09-12, 13:28
For 1 person, it is comfortable.
But for large family, it is inhumane.
I dont know the rest, but it looks good for single and couple to stay in! Quality living i would say, considering that it is a private property, freehold, comes with pool (small, but still can swim deh!), gym (small but functional), carpark, near MRT, near ammenities (e.g. hawker, coffeeshop, schools). Still inhumane?
For 1 person, it is comfortable.
But for large family, it is inhumane.Agree, but the way it is portrayed is for ANY situation, it is inhumane. Such small format is built for max 2 adults (to stretch, 1 baby perhaps). for comfortable quality living,it was never meant for a big family.
Good launch pad for starting out marriage life and absolute privacy at night to produce off-springs (imagine staying with parents, so troublesome to get kinky).:tongue3:
VERY inhumane. God bless the soul who lives in a house with green balcony.
my jack russel be happy in there...:D
actually that rv-suites is not MM lah..its 517sq ft which is spacious for a 1 bedder..
for 517sq ft in hong kong lives a family of 4 quite comfortably..:cheers3:
actually that rv-suites is not MM lah..its 517sq ft which is spacious for a 1 bedder..
for 517sq ft in hong kong lives a family of 4 quite comfortably..:cheers3:Strip off the balcony, will be about 4xxsqft. To put in 4, is quite inhumane. two adults ok. some of those 366 sqft upwards are ok too, need to see if they have huge AC ledge or balcony. if 366sqft is almost 95% liveable, quite good!
With or without bomb shelter makes lots of diff....
With or without bomb shelter makes lots of diff.... True!But then bomb shelter is useful as a store. Best is no balcony, no planter, smallish AC ledge and rectanglar or squarish layout.
Shiro will suit your needs....
the 366sqf unit is slightly too cramped for me. The walls are too close to another. I feel that such units should have a studio layout instead of 1bedroom... take away 1 wall will make a lot of difference.
having a small balcony is nice as it can be considered as part of your living space...dont u find it nice relaxing in your balcony reading your sunday times with a cup of coffee with pool or greenery view..:D
most important is not to have planter box n bay windows in your small apartment..
nice to sit in balcony.... until you realise your opp neighbour 5m away lighting up a cigarette....
phantom_opera
09-09-12, 20:18
balcony sadly is for hanging clothes nowadays as there is a lack of yard
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nice to sit in balcony.... until you realise your opp neighbour 5m away lighting up a cigarette....
than dont buy that project lor...:D
It is nicely decorated. I'm sure most singles or young couples prefer to have their own privacy in a MM. Very easy to maintain and not too hard on the pocket to own also.
having a small balcony is nice as it can be considered as part of your living space...dont u find it nice relaxing in your balcony reading your sunday times with a cup of coffee with pool or greenery view..:D
most important is not to have planter box n bay windows in your small apartment..
Actually Bay window is ok, cos if u design your furniture well, it can be integrated as either part of your seating area or bed. Balcony is nice, but not in our climate, bloody hot and dusty!
Actually Bay window is ok, cos if u design your furniture well, it can be integrated as either part of your seating area or bed. Balcony is nice, but not in our climate, bloody hot and dusty!
i beg to differ..
balcony is good here is due to our tropical climate.
u wont want to be sitting in your balcony @ 5'c - 10'c outside..
its not really that hot if there's no afternoon sun shining into your house.
nobody wants to have bay windows in their apartment given a choice.
of coz u would think of the best way to make use of it if u have it..:cheers3:
nice to sit in balcony.... until you realise your opp neighbour 5m away lighting up a cigarette....
there should be law to ban people from smoking in apartment and robbing others of clean air! these silent killers should be punished:simmering:
Just few months back, we stayed in a hotel in NZ, though it was small but I felt comfortable with it. It has an open-concept kitchen, a dining table, a bedroom and a sofa bed in the living room. When you open up the sofa bed, it almost touches the wall where the TV is, leaving a small passage for walking. But I feel comfortable with it sitting there to watch TV with my legs stretched out on the sofa bed.;)
Just few months back, we stayed in a hotel in NZ, though it was small but I felt comfortable with it. It has an open-concept kitchen, a dining table, a bedroom and a sofa bed in the living room. When you open up the sofa bed, it almost touches the wall where the TV is, leaving a small passage for walking. But I feel comfortable with it sitting there to watch TV with my legs stretched out on the sofa bed.;)
That's because you're on holiday and you already know it's a hotel. You compromise because you'll only be staying there for days or 1/2 weeks. Besides, you have already planned & brought just enough clothes, shoes, some toiletries during the short stay. That's why the room is still deem to have enough space.
A home is different, you stay there for years. You have lots of clothes & shoes (esp for women), spare toileterries, foods that you bought for the week, things that you need and don't need (fitness equipment is one good example) but you still keep them in the HS and cabinets.
Imaging if you bring all these into a hotel room and see if you can survive there a year. You'll go crazy, all these barang barang will be blocking your way and the room will be super squeezy with not much room to maneuver.
A friend told me his neighbor who is currently staying in a 2rm MM in TK is already thinking of moving to a bigger place because it's just too small. Not enough space is the answer. Lots of staffs ended up in the HS & balcony. The balcony becomes a store. What a waste.
500 sqf is ok for 1 person. Its those 300sqf that i feel are in humane
phantom_opera
10-09-12, 09:20
OCR MM or 1br will NEVER go out of fashion as long as HDB rental yield stays above 4% and our FD rate stays below 2%
;)
A friend told me his neighbor who is currently staying in a 2rm MM in TK is already thinking of moving to a bigger place because it's just too small. Not enough space is the answer. Lots of staffs ended up in the HS & balcony. The balcony becomes a store. What a waste.Perhaps he did not spend money on proper interior design to create smart storage space. also, some times it is habit to keep piling things, such that even if one move to a bigger place, things will pile up more.
500 sqf is ok for 1 person. Its those 300sqf that i feel are in humaneactually cannot like tat say, 500 sqft if got huge AC ledge, and huge balcony or planter, less everything could end up 3xx sqft. while those 3xx sqft dont have planter, balcony and have small AC ledge. so end up both same. anything above 350sqft of liveable area is ok based on feedback and personal experience.
actually cannot like tat say, 500 sqft if got huge AC ledge, and huge balcony or planter, less everything could end up 3xx sqft. while those 3xx sqft dont have planter, balcony and have small AC ledge. so end up both same. anything above 350sqft of liveable area is ok based on feedback and personal experience.
yes when I say 350sqf are those 350sqf yet still have 1 bed room 1 living room and balcony.
SEPTEMBER 06, 2012
NEWS ANALYSIS
URA shoebox rule may dent prices, or will it?
Jury still out on govt move to manage surge in small units
BY KALPANA RASHIWALA
Developers will, from Nov 4, have to abide by a new URA guideline on shoebox units, and some think that this could push down per square foot (psf) prices of new projects. But the opposite outcome could well be the case.
On Tuesday, the Urban Redevelopment Authority said that a guideline to manage the proportion of shoebox apartments in new non-landed private housing projects applies only to areas outside the Central Area. This is because housing in such locations tends to cater mainly to larger households and families, whose needs would not be met by shoebox units.
The guideline could have an impact on some developers' unit-size mix for projects but it is hard to conclude how it will affect their pricing strategy.
Some would think that stipulating the maximum number of units in a project to try and manage the proportion of shoebox units could create downward pressure on the overall project's psf pricing. The phenomenon of minting shoebox units (unofficially defined as units below 500 sq ft) was part of a general trend of shrinking unit sizes across the board, resulting in compact two and three-bedders, that gained momentum during the Singapore property market's recovery after the global financial crisis. Developers began pushing out shoebox and compact units to keep absolute unit prices affordable to buyers, while achieving higher psf prices. This helps to lift the overall project's average price.
Small units appeal to potential occupiers such as singles and young couples as well as investors seeking a safe haven for their savings amid the low interest rate environment, with prospects of beating inflation in the process.
Developers started experimenting with shoebox units in city-fringe locations such as Rangoon Road, Alexandra Road and Telok Kurau, and then spread even to suburban areas. For sites bought at state tenders, developers started incorporating a range of unit sizes - from one to four-bedders with some compact two and three-bedders packed in.
This is in contrast to pre-global crisis, when units in typical suburban projects would start from two-bedders and those too were more generously sized than what we see these days.
Suburban condos are located in Outside Central Region, which now accounts for the chunk of developers' sales volume. The region made up 75.6 per cent of the 11,928 private homes (excluding executive condos) sold in first-half 2012. Given strong demand in this segment, record prices have been set at some suburban condo launches. This trend is being driven by strong HDB upgrader demand and liquidity - but also fuelled partly by developers' strategy of minting small units.
URA said in its announcement this week that its guideline seeks to address projects which have a disproportionately high percentage of shoebox units.
From Nov 4, the maximum number of residential units in non-landed private housing projects outside the Central Area (except for Telok Kurau, Kovan and Joo Chiat/Jalan Eunos estates which are covered under a separate guideline) will be based on an average unit size of 70 square metres (753.47 sq ft) gross floor area (GFA).
Developers can still build some shoebox units, but in order to meet URA's cap on the number of units, they will have to build larger units as well. Assuming developers have to contain psf prices for bigger units (because of buyers' price sensitivity to the bigger lump sum price), the new guideline could produce downward pressure on the project's average psf price. As a result, the project's total sales proceeds would be lower. That's in theory.
In reality, despite a few extreme cases of new projects where 50-80 per cent of units are up to 50 sq m (about 538 sq ft), in most instances, developers would still be able to keep their current unit-size mix and comply with the average unit size of 70 sq m GFA.
Let's take the case of a high-profile suburban condo launch such as Watertown, which sold like hot cakes earlier this year, setting a record price for the Punggol area. In its first month of release (January), 770 units were sold at a median price of $1,169 psf. The median price rose to $1,341 psf the following month, with 182 units sold.
Analysts have attributed the impressive take-up to the project's strong attractions - one of which is that it is part of a mixed development that will include a mall boasting a Shaw Theatres Imax cinema. The project will be next to My Waterway@Punggol and an MRT station.
Also boosting Watertown's sales was the good number of small-format units, though none are below 500 sq ft. Watertown's 992 residential units are a whopping 45 per cent higher than the planners' estimate of 685 units for the site. Despite this, the average residential unit size works out to about 820 sq ft or (76 sq m) GFA. This clears the average unit size of 70 sq m under the new URA guideline. In short, Watertown's developers could stick to its formula even under the new guideline.
Market watchers also point out that although some developers may have to distribute more of their GFA from one bedders to larger units, this need not necessarily go to spacious four-bedders or penthouses. Some of this could go to compact two and three-bedders which also sell at relatively high psf prices while keeping the lump sum price quantum affordable.
"In such a scenario, we may not necessarily see a significant price moderation from a shift in unit-size mix to comply with URA's cap on the maximum number of units in a project," argues Ong Teck Hui, national director, research, Singapore, at Jones Lang LaSalle.
Some developers and their marketing agents may also pitch shoebox units for their scarcity value with the onset of the new guidelines. "The reduced supply may result in their prices being raised due to keen demand for such units," Mr Ong says.
there should be law to ban people from smoking in apartment and robbing others of clean air! these silent killers should be punished:simmering:
private property mah.. they can decide wadeva they wanna do.
actually the garmen is aredi trying hard to stamp out smoking. just look at the prices of a pack of ciggies these days. i bet the garmen will double the tariffs in the next decade. :cool:
private property mah.. they can decide wadeva they wanna do.
actually the garmen is aredi trying hard to stamp out smoking. just look at the prices of a pack of ciggies these days. i bet the garmen will double the tariffs in the next decade. :cool:
Invest in a big ass fan and blow the smoke back!
the Gardens by the Bay tall trees should have been designed to bend 90 degrees and turn into giant fans.
together with our flyer, can blow everything back to Sumatra
For 1 person, it is comfortable.
But for large family, it is inhumane.
I think a couple with a small kid is ok too.
But if go primary schoool.. then need to upgrade .
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