View Full Version : GOVT or PRIVATE hospital..??
Which one would you choose if you need to admit...one of my colleague recently went to KTP hospital for some checks...he TOLD me....GOVT hospital CMI....better buy HIGHER insuarance and cover yourself for private hospital.....:scared-3:
COMMENTS..:o
buttercarp
30-08-12, 13:56
I choose paying class in government hospital.
I choose paying class in government hospital.
whats paying class...:confused:
I choose paying class in government hospital.
that's a wrong move, coming from someone (yours, personally) working in a quasi-govt organization.
you pay as much as what you would have in the private sector, without enjoying the extra frills - better service, shorter waiting time, personal pampering, etc.
buttercarp
30-08-12, 15:28
that's a wrong move, coming from someone (yours, personally) working in a quasi-govt organization.
you pay as much as what you would have in the private sector, without enjoying the extra frills - better service, shorter waiting time, personal pampering, etc.
It is not a wrong move, bro!:tsk-tsk:
It may be wrong to people like you who value frills and service over your health.
Hospital is not hotel where the number one priority is service.
I trust government hospital better.
They have better facilities to cope with an emergency.
However for conditions which do not require long term treatment, then due to time constraint, I may opt for private hospital for the convenience.
buttercarp
30-08-12, 15:31
whats paying class...:confused:
Paying class means non subsidized class.
Subsidized class is for referrals from the polyclinic and they get basic health care at a subsidized rate.
Paying class means non subsidized class.
Subsidized class is for referrals from the polyclinic and they get basic health care at a subsidized rate.
oh ok....ya i also paying class i do my dental at changi hospital dental centre no referral...kns...last time i do root canal and crown...almost $5k..:scared-2:...but what to do polyclinic...cannot make it..:doh:
It is not a wrong move, bro!:tsk-tsk:
It may be wrong to people like you who value frills and service over your health.
Hospital is not hotel where the number one priority is service.
I trust government hospital better.
They have better facilities to cope with an emergency.
However for conditions which do not require long term treatment, then due to time constraint, I may opt for private hospital for the convenience.
i don't value frills and service over health and i emphasize, the cost are largely similar. at least i know i can get better service and shorter waiting time for the same amount of money.
unless you have an accident that requires emergency medicine personnel, the quality of expertise is better out there in the private sector. in public institutions, i can only vouch that the equipment and technology are more updated than in the private sector.
oh ok....ya i also paying class i do my dental at changi hospital dental centre no referral...kns...last time i do root canal and crown...almost $5k..:scared-2:...but what to do polyclinic...cannot make it..:doh:
kenna chop carrot head liao. you can find cheaper, reputable private dentist clinics.
I choose the Paying Class in Gov hospital as well.
You get a referral letter from any GP. (Not via the Poly Clinic long waiting channel). You will be send to the "Paying Class".
The doctors are different from the "subside" class as well.
Most are very experienced.
I sometimes choose Over Time slot (selected Saturdays and after office hours on weekdays.) You pay slightly higher fees, but you get very good attentions.
Overall the fees are close to Private now (about 80%).
Thanks,
Richard
PS. Sometimes, private doctors tend to over treat. It is not just the money, but your long term health.
Wild Falcon
30-08-12, 16:57
Govt hospital, esp SGH. The best surgeons are all congregated there. So say if u cannot identify what is your medical condition, they can summon the best nerurosurgeon, the best ocologist, the best whatever in their field to see u within a short while. Private clinics? No way - every doctor just earning their own money (just becos doctor set up their own clinic in private hospital doesn't mean they are the best). And when doctor A says dunno whats wrong with u, send u to doctor B and then doctor C and by that time you are already dead. I've seen numerous cases where the private hospitals CANNOT handle and sent to SGH where they solve the problem with a day becos the best brains and equipments and facilities are there. Go Govt hospital and go the the A ward. The most complicated cases gets referred to the govt hospitals. Trust me - becos i have a brother who is a doctor.
Only go private if it non life-threatening and u can clearly identify the illness. But if the illness is multi-fold, please go to public hospital with all the experts at one place.
Govt hospital, esp SGH. The best surgeons are all congregated there. So say if u cannot identify what is your medical condition, they can summon the best nerurosurgeon, the best ocologist, the best whatever in their field to see u within a short while. Private clinics? No way - every doctor just earning their own money (just becos doctor set up their own clinic in private hospital doesn't mean they are the best). And when doctor A says dunno whats wrong with u, send u to doctor B and then doctor C and by that time you are already dead. I've seen numerous cases where the private hospitals CANNOT handle and sent to SGH where they solve the problem with a day becos the best brains and equipments and facilities are there. Go Govt hospital and go the the A ward. The most complicated cases gets referred to the govt hospitals. Trust me - becos i have a brother who is a doctor.
Only go private if it non life-threatening and u can clearly identify the illness. But if the illness is multi-fold, please go to public hospital with all the experts at one place.
i agree by large with the danger of over-treatment in the private sector, though there have been lots of top senior consultants/HODs leaving for the private sector over the last five years. now there's a serious vaccum of talent in the public institutions. hence, i beg to differ that the best doctors are solely in the public institutions.
having said all, must do homework before consulting private doctors.
I had been well taken care of in my couple of hospitalization at SGH... Class B here.
kenna chop carrot head liao. you can find cheaper, reputable private dentist clinics.
I go to Dr Chan of Far East Dental (fka Hougang Dental Centre) for any dental procedure. He even told me once no need to come twice a year as my teeth is well maintained. ....
Salah. Lucky Plaza Dental. Pai seh.
kenna chop carrot head liao. you can find cheaper, reputable private dentist clinics.
chop carrot better than chop...TEETH...:D..ya now i know...:doh:..but when u desperate u go and see whoever WELCOMES you..:o
i am kiasee. i buy the most expensive hospitalisation premiums, as well as am well-covered for critical and terminal illnesses.
told my friends that if i ever peng san, pls direct the ambulance to Mount E or Gleneagles or Raffles Hospital.
Allthepies
30-08-12, 20:40
personal xperience, gov hospital is overladed, not tat the doctors r not good, it just tat they do not have much time to see each patient esp when u r warded in lower class. they can forget to issue u the most impt medicine, u need to be very vigilant and counter check.
i don't value frills and service over health and i emphasize, the cost are largely similar. at least i know i can get better service and shorter waiting time for the same amount of money.
unless you have an accident that requires emergency medicine personnel, the quality of expertise is better out there in the private sector. in public institutions, i can only vouch that the equipment and technology are more updated than in the private sector.
If you talk in term of the waiting time, I agree that the waiting time is shorter in the private than govt sector but that doesn't mean that all the services in the private sector are good.
My friend went to one of the private hospital for her delivery (1st baby). Hers was under the caesarian case. After the operation, she was sent back to the ward, but she kept feeling that her clothing was wet and blood was flowing out, she thought that this was normal, it was her menses. Only after 2-3 hours later, the nurse came to her ward and realised it, immediately, my friend was sent back to the theatre for 2nd operation because the wound was not sewn properly.:doh:
Even for my case, after the delivery (1st baby), I was sent back to my ward, at that time I was very giddy, the nurse came after that and asked me to get down from the bed because she wanted to change the bedsheet. She said if I didn't want to get down, there would have no food for me.:doh:
Once I had a referral letter from the Polyclinic to go to SGH for some checkup. Since it was a subsidize rate, so I cannot choose the doctor. I was sent to do my X-ray by this doctor and had to go back to him a few days later for the result.
When I visited him the 2nd time, he looked at his computer for my data, then asked me to go for my X-ray again, I was shocked, I told him that I just had my X-ray a few days ago, he then looked again and knocked his head:doh: , what a joke, man! He also forgot to prescribe a medicine for me which he had told me.:doh:
I think like anything, private or govt doctors, it also have to depend on a bit of luck.:D
Salah. Lucky Plaza Dental. Pai seh.
Is this dentist good and how is the charges?
Contrary to what you said, Govt hospital surgeons got much less hands-on experience compared to private surgeons (because mostly left to trainee surgeons). When the trainee surgeons become experienced surgeons and start to have a bit of name, they leave to start their own private practice in private hospitals. Those left behind are either the top-most level management doctors who are occupied with research and administrative and teaching work and have little time to practice surgery etc, hence not so much hands-on experience... :beats-me-man:
When it comes to surgery, hands-on experience very important!
Govt hospital, esp SGH. The best surgeons are all congregated there. So say if u cannot identify what is your medical condition, they can summon the best nerurosurgeon, the best ocologist, the best whatever in their field to see u within a short while. Private clinics? No way - every doctor just earning their own money (just becos doctor set up their own clinic in private hospital doesn't mean they are the best). And when doctor A says dunno whats wrong with u, send u to doctor B and then doctor C and by that time you are already dead. I've seen numerous cases where the private hospitals CANNOT handle and sent to SGH where they solve the problem with a day becos the best brains and equipments and facilities are there. Go Govt hospital and go the the A ward. The most complicated cases gets referred to the govt hospitals. Trust me - becos i have a brother who is a doctor.
Only go private if it non life-threatening and u can clearly identify the illness. But if the illness is multi-fold, please go to public hospital with all the experts at one place.
Another case was another of my friend's nephew. He had a "hole" in his heart since he was born. At the age of 9, his parents decided to let him had the operation. He was admitted to the "semi-govt" hospital. During the period of hospitalisation, every few hours, there were have some "housemen" or so called "learners" came and interviewed him and studied his case, it was actually very irritating, especially when he was sleeping, they also woke him up.
He met a good doctor who almost cure his sickness but unfortunately, this doctor had to go to Taiwan for reservist, so he handed the case to his colleague. Things started to change to the worst, there was an over-dozed of the medicine that caused his body to "swell" and his health got worst and worst and then in the end he left this world. :banghead: :scared-3:
I had been well taken care of in my couple of hospitalization at SGH... Class B here.
Please stay in Class A. The attention (and even the food) is different.
When the same doctor is visiting different class of wards, he is supposed to treat the classes to be the same. But the reality is he will spend much more time on individual patient in Class A.
And never get Poly Clinic to refer to Govt Hospital, you will only get junior doctors (plus trainees).
Thanks,
Richard
Another case was another of my friend's nephew. He had a "hole" in his heart since he was born. At the age of 9, his parents decided to let him had the operation. He was admitted to the "semi-govt" hospital. During the period of hospitalisation, every few hours, there were have some "housemen" or so called "learners" came and interviewed him and studied his case, it was actually very irritating, especially when he was sleeping, they also woke him up.
He met a good doctor who almost cure his sickness but unfortunately, this doctor had to go to Taiwan for reservist, so he handed the case to his colleague. Things started to change to the worst, there was an over-dozed of the medicine that caused his body to "swell" and his health got worst and worst and then in the end he left this world. :banghead: :scared-3:
As well known by the doctors themselves, the biggest problem of modern western medicine is over treatment. "hole in heart" can be very normal.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/holes/livingwith.html
"Many children who have these defects need no special care or only occasional checkups with a cardiologist (a heart specialist) as they go through life."
Thanks,
Richard
As well known by the doctors themselves, the biggest problem of modern western medicine is over treatment. "hole in heart" can be very normal.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/holes/livingwith.html
"Many children who have these defects need no special care or only occasional checkups with a cardiologist (a heart specialist) as they go through life."
Thanks,
Richard
If he is still alive, he will be in his early 30s now. Is a waste that he left at such a young age, he was a talented child.
the best seal of approval.
The ministers and MM LEee and prata man.. all go SGH.
bakasa2002
31-08-12, 00:48
the best seal of approval.
The ministers and MM LEee and prata man.. all go SGH.
They have a special team of the best doctors from sgh that not everyone has access to even if u can afford it... :)
My personal experience
Go to SGH as a private patient.
I went to the National Heart Centre about 10 years back and have forgotten about it, and this time, before my operation, they traced all my medical history to assess all potential medical problems.
I think, the keeping of medical history is ultra critical. If u go to private hospitals or clinic, u will not have such records.
Like my mother, she had two knee replacement operations done at SGH, and she had a recent fall, and broke her leg. The past medical history proved to be very useful in treating her.
My family, all go to SGH, but must be a private patient. Subsidised patient is to wait and wait and wait, and end up with junior medical officers.
I think I prefer govt hospital because private hospital is too expensive, not meant for average people.
why not look for doctors with A/Prof status and above? be it in government hospitals or private clinics?
i supposed they are more learned and experience.
why not look for doctors with A/Prof status and above? be it in government hospitals or private clinics?
i supposed they are more learned and experience.
i wouldn't be so sure too. nowadays, almost every HOD will be conferred a A/Prof title, despite not having the minimum amount of annual research output.
i've had friends' relatives, who in spite of being paying class, having to sit and wait equally long hours as any other subsidized patients. i don't think public institutions are always cheaper than private clinics. e.g. lasik surgery, dental surgery, baby deliveries, etc
buttercarp
31-08-12, 13:26
i wouldn't be so sure too. nowadays, almost every HOD will be conferred a A/Prof title, despite not having the minimum amount of annual research output.
I am pretty confident that there is a criteria to be met before one is conferred Associate Prof (assistant prof is different). Cannot any old how give people A/Prof and promote to head lah.
i've had friends' relatives, who in spite of being paying class, having to sit and wait equally long hours as any other subsidized patients. i don't think public institutions are always cheaper than private clinics. e.g. lasik surgery, dental surgery, baby deliveries, etc
It is worth the wait if the treatment is sound.
Govt hospital specialist will only do the necessary, I believe they won't do a surgery unless it is absolutely necessary.
There are some grey areas in some medical conditions eg whether to operate or not. Sometimes it is not necessary to do so, but if the doctor operates, it is also not wrong.
I had such a case with Dr Low WK from SGH ENT. Was given a choice. In the end I chose to operate as the daily symptoms were rather unbearable. It had the added side benefit of a nose job fully paid for by govt funds (under CSC). ...
I am pretty confident that there is a criteria to be met before one is conferred Associate Prof (assistant prof is different). Cannot any old how give people A/Prof and promote to head lah.
It is worth the wait if the treatment is sound.
Govt hospital specialist will only do the necessary, I believe they won't do a surgery unless it is absolutely necessary.
There are some grey areas in some medical conditions eg whether to operate or not. Sometimes it is not necessary to do so, but if the doctor operates, it is also not wrong.
trust me on this, visit me at my workplace and see for yourself.
It is worth the wait if the treatment is sound.
Govt hospital specialist will only do the necessary, I believe they won't do a surgery unless it is absolutely necessary.
There are some grey areas in some medical conditions eg whether to operate or not. Sometimes it is not necessary to do so, but if the doctor operates, it is also not wrong.
waiting time has got nothing to do if the treatment is sound. take air travel for example, do you expect a first class passenger to be treated the same as in economy class?
the end destination is the same, the experience process is entirely different. not so in public institutions, paying class or subsidized class, you sit on the same bench, wait equally long, getting the same drugs.
buttercarp
31-08-12, 13:53
waiting time has got nothing to do if the treatment is sound. take air travel for example, do you expect a first class passenger to be treated the same as in economy class?
the end destination is the same, the experience process is entirely different. not so in public institutions, paying class or subsidized class, you sit on the same bench, wait equally long, getting the same drugs.
There again... you are placing too much emphasis on service.
Service is important, but in healthcare, service becomes secondary to sound treatment. I would rather be treated by a not so sociable doctor who offers the best for me, than someone who appears to be very friendly but may not offer a treatment to the best of my health.
No....you don't get the same drugs as a paying patient.
Remember susidized health care is BASIC care and not necessarily the BEST care.
Paying class gets the best care.
You get what you pay.
Geylang OKT
31-08-12, 13:54
waiting time has got nothing to do if the treatment is sound. take air travel for example, do you expect a first class passenger to be treated the same as in economy class?
the end destination is the same, the experience process is entirely different. not so in public institutions, paying class or subsidized class, you sit on the same bench, wait equally long, getting the same drugs.
It's like you frantically jerking off to a porno movie, compared to a young sexy chio bu giving you a blow job and CIM. End result is the same (i.e. you shoot your load off), but the experience is entirely different :D
buttercarp
31-08-12, 14:13
It's like you frantically jerking off to a porno movie, compared to a young sexy chio bu giving you a blow job and CIM. End result is the same (i.e. you shoot your load off), but the experience is entirely different :D
OKT.... nice to see you again!
Life is full of experiences.
Never experience then won't know whether it is pleasurable or not.
Geylang OKT
31-08-12, 14:57
OKT.... nice to see you again!
Life is full of experiences.
Never experience then won't know whether it is pleasurable or not.
Greetings Buttercarp, great to hear from you again :D
Regulators
31-08-12, 15:00
ho seh bo? long time no see, what have u been up to?
Greetings Buttercarp, great to hear from you again :D
Geylang OKT
31-08-12, 15:08
ho seh bo? long time no see, what have u been up to?
Hello Bro.... :D:D:D
iwantgizmos
31-08-12, 15:47
heello fren, long time no see...
so nice to see you active back in this forum...
btw because of your profile pic, at work i now must minimise my browser window...
dangerous, else colleague thought i am posting forum in sammyboy instead....
:D :D :D
iwant you can go to User Control Panel to turn off all avatars and Sigs
Geylang OKT
31-08-12, 15:56
heello fren, long time no see...
so nice to see you active back in this forum...
btw because of your profile pic, at work i now must minimise my browser window...
dangerous, else colleague thought i am posting forum in sammyboy instead....
:D :D :D
Hello Boss, great to hear from you too.....
re the avatar.... hehehehehehe it's an occupational hazard! :scared-4: :D
It's like you frantically jerking off to a porno movie, compared to a young sexy chio bu giving you a blow job and CIM. End result is the same (i.e. you shoot your load off), but the experience is entirely different :D
:doh::doh:...welcome welcome we missed your PORNO talk...:D
They have a special team of the best doctors from sgh that not everyone has access to even if u can afford it... :)
so for cancer patient, we should go to Dr Ang Peng Tiam.
since he is principal doctor treating LHL's cancer.
Geylang OKT
31-08-12, 16:52
:doh::doh:...welcome welcome we missed your PORNO talk...:D
Boss.... greetings! How are you? :D:D:D
i wouldn't be so sure too. nowadays, almost every HOD will be conferred a A/Prof title, despite not having the minimum amount of annual research output.
i've had friends' relatives, who in spite of being paying class, having to sit and wait equally long hours as any other subsidized patients. i don't think public institutions are always cheaper than private clinics. e.g. lasik surgery, dental surgery, baby deliveries, etc
Public institutions are cheap if the patience is in Ward B2 or C or at a subsidize rate, for Ward A, I don't think it is cheap. My friend spent almost $20K for her delivery in private hospital.:scared-1:
My colleague has a skin allergic, went to see a specialist for almost 10 yrs but still cannot be cured. Now she stopped this specialist and turn to KK hospital for help, seems to be getting better now.
Still most important is to have a good doctor. Cheap things don't mean no good.
My personal experience
Go to SGH as a private patient.
I went to the National Heart Centre about 10 years back and have forgotten about it, and this time, before my operation, they traced all my medical history to assess all potential medical problems.
My family, all go to SGH, but must be a private patient. Subsidised patient is to wait and wait and wait, and end up with junior medical officers.
Are you gong the the Heart Centre Clinic on Level 2 or Level 4?
I blur blur.. my dad is a private patient and attending Level 2 the whole of last year. This year, I found out there is actually a Private Clinic on Level 4!
phantom_opera
01-09-12, 00:20
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:p
Geylang OKT
01-09-12, 11:08
Are you gong the the Heart Centre Clinic on Level 2 or Level 4?
I blur blur.. my dad is a private patient and attending Level 2 the whole of last year. This year, I found out there is actually a Private Clinic on Level 4!
And at SGH, these junior doctors accompanied by their how lian senior officer on their morning rounds give very disparaging comments, like "this one surely cannot make it through the week", "She's a goner for sure" etc etc.
I made an official complaint and they sniggered and apologised. Fxxk SGH! :scared-4: :beats-me-man: :banghead:
buttercarp
01-09-12, 11:47
And at SGH, these junior doctors accompanied by their how lian senior officer on their morning rounds give very disparaging comments, like "this one surely cannot make it through the week", "She's a goner for sure" etc etc.
I made an official complaint and they sniggered and apologised. Fxxk SGH! :scared-4: :beats-me-man: :banghead:
The medical education should include social etiquette.
I agree that some doctors are insensitive.
Some of them are so suaku as they don't socialise much.
I ticked off a doctor for asking for HIV test to be done when I only having simple food poisoning for a hospitalization case.
And at SGH, these junior doctors accompanied by their how lian senior officer on their morning rounds give very disparaging comments, like "this one surely cannot make it through the week", "She's a goner for sure" etc etc.
I made an official complaint and they sniggered and apologised. Fxxk SGH! :scared-4: :beats-me-man: :banghead:
Well, i think they should be more sensitive in front of the family.. but i think it's part of their worklife they are too used to seeing people drop dead ... Like insurance agents see too many critical illness and such.. until no feeling.
But alot of these doctors have very rich parents.
Which listed company's founder is surname CHENG?
My wife was talking to one of the docs(the son) who said only 1 listed company in singapore has that surname.
I want my kid to be a doctor for sure(is she can make it in her studies). Hope she can become rich and buy more properties.. lol
buttercarp
01-09-12, 13:14
I ticked off a doctor for asking for HIV test to be done when I only having simple food poisoning for a hospitalization case.
I thought HIV test is an opt out option when you are warded?
buttercarp
01-09-12, 13:16
I want my kid to be a doctor for sure(is she can make it in her studies).
I prefer my children to do dentistry or vet science.
Doctor too competitive.... graduate then hard to re coop the financial loss spent on education especially if go overseas for education.
yes that's why the doc asked me and I scolded him. questioned him what's the corelation with my food poisoning he couldn't answer. I told him very well draw my blood and prove to yourself if you must. I didn't even touch anyone for the past year.
buttercarp
01-09-12, 14:10
I didn't even touch anyone for the past year.
Past year no activity, means previous years have issit?
Then better check cos the virus can be elusive.
forgot to add I have yearly HIV test at DSC...
buttercarp
01-09-12, 17:43
forgot to add I have yearly HIV test at DSC...
Wah lau.... u so high risk type, must go there yearly?
Wah lau.... u so high risk type, must go there yearly?
During sexually active years yes. Recent years no...
My dear sis, as long as you have sex, you need yearly checks. Condoms are not 100%. Plus unless you have sex with yourself only, you can never guarantee the other party's behaviour outside or overseas. You can call me kiasi la but I rather not live in a question mark....
During sexually active years yes. Recent years no...
My dear sis, as long as you have sex, you need yearly checks. Condoms are not 100%. Plus unless you have sex with yourself only, you can never guarantee the other party's behaviour outside or overseas. You can call me kiasi la but I rather not live in a question mark....
Not only yearly checks .. but also check I/C - include as an SOP item! :p
Geylang OKT
02-09-12, 15:44
Wahhhhh.... the way you guys and gals talk really make me blush :o :o :o
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0034663
"Since 2008, the Singapore Ministry of Health (MOH) has expanded HIV testing by increasing anonymous HIV test sites, as well as issuing a directive to hospitals to offer routine voluntary opt out inpatient HIV testing."
It is MOH requirement for anyone gets hospitalized to go through HIV test unless the person opts out.
I believe the other test is Hepatitis B Test.
I was not offended when asked for these two tests.
Of course, the doctors will need to be more sensitive nowadays. Sociality are much more diversified now.
Thanks,
Richard
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