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bargain hunter
26-06-12, 09:35
Bin centre: Emerald Hill folk raise stink
They say it'll hit property values; developer not wrong: URA
http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20120625/ST_20120626_RCSAUNDERS26_3177839.jpg The new bin point, which will serve The Urban Suites condominium, is being built on two public carpark spaces on Saunders Road. The URA said there will be greenery around the bin centre to screen it from view. -- ST PHOTO: TED CHEN
By Rachel Chang & Daryl Chin
RESIDENTS in Emerald Hill are raising a stink about the construction of a refuse collection point on Saunders Road.
They claim the bin centre that will serve new condominium The Urban Suites will lead to congestion in the one-way street and lower property values.
It is also being built on two public carpark spaces on Saunders Road, which is part of a conservation area that includes Emerald Hill and Hullet Road.
But the Urban Redevelopment Authority has made clear that the condominium developer has not done anything wrong.
In response to queries from The Straits Times yesterday, it said CapitaLand's project proposal provided ample distance from the bin centre to the road, and refuse trucks would not be parked along Saunders Road when collecting trash.
There will also be greenery around the bin centre to screen it from view, the URA noted. It said refuse trucks already travel along Saunders Road to collect trash from homes, and The Urban Suites will just be 'an additional collection point'.
But residents believe the building of the refuse point intrudes into what is demarcated as a conservation area. Said Mr Tan Tiang Yeow, 46, who owns a house across from the bin centre: 'It is clearly drawn on the map that this is a conservation area. What is to be conserved if they can cut down trees and build onto the road?'
With five other house owners, Mr Tan, a graphic designer, sent a letter last Thursday to the URA. They implored the authorities to 'defend our conservation area' and requested 'construction be stopped until a proper dialogue and discussion can be facilitated'.
They have the support of Emerald Hill Conservation Association, whose vice-president Richard Helfer said yesterday that 'it shares many of the same concerns'. The previous residential development had its refuse collection point on Hullet Road, he pointed out. This meant the refuse truck did not have to travel up Saunders Road and back out, he noted.
But observers said residents are unlikely to win with the conservation argument. 'There is no such thing as a conserved road,' said Dr Kevin Tan, former president of the Singapore Heritage Society. 'Conservation has to do with the buildings in the area.'
Not all residents are bothered. While the group behind the letter maintained that close to 50 units would be affected by the congestion as Saunders Road is the only way out of the area, others observed that the road is usually quite quiet.
Mr John Ewing-Chow, 69, said it was not an issue for him. 'If you come by the estate at any time other than Friday nights, there are empty parking spots, enough for all,' he said.
They will have to find somewhere to build it. There is no way not to have a collection point for rubbish right?
They will have to find somewhere to build it. There is no way not to have a collection point for rubbish right?
Since someone has zoned, sold & approved the design of the project, how to seek redress, I wonder.... Fighting a losing battle.
bargain hunter
26-06-12, 09:47
they can don't take the 2 car park lots and build it inside their compound? :)
They will have to find somewhere to build it. There is no way not to have a collection point for rubbish right?
yea lor...
fighting a losing battle already...
u know who the big bully here is,can already :D
bargain hunter
26-06-12, 09:48
agree, losing battle.
Since someone has zoned, sold & approved the design of the project, how to seek redress, I wonder.... Fighting a losing battle.
bargain hunter
26-06-12, 09:50
yah, know who is the big bully and who is inhuman can already.
yea lor...
fighting a losing battle already...
u know who the big bully here is,can already :D
they can don't take the 2 car park lots and build it inside their compound? :)
I am not sure about the carpark design, but likely it is not very feasible for the rubbish collection truck to enter underground carparks etc.
The residents inside condo might complain about it as well - affect internal value?
One man's meat is sometimes another man's poison.
There is a landed just opposite under construction. Prolly rebuild. Owner must be feeling damned :banghead: .
Land is so expensive in this area. It must be an expensive bin centre to store rubbish. Can they use the vaccum system here to compact the rubbish?
There is a landed just opposite under construction. Prolly rebuild. Owner must be feeling damned :banghead: .
nothing wrong as long as it is built within the condo plot.
bargain hunter
26-06-12, 10:31
what i mean is, they are taking 2 public carpark lots from the road to build part of the bin centre. if they don't take the public carpark lots, then they will have to build it within the original compund.
I am not sure about the carpark design, but likely it is not very feasible for the rubbish collection truck to enter underground carparks etc.
The residents inside condo might complain about it as well - affect internal value?
One man's meat is sometimes another man's poison.
nothing wrong as long as it is built within the condo plot.
is it built within condo plot?
:scared-5:
is it built within condo plot?
:scared-5:
the public lots for rubbish vehicles to do their business? those unhappy residents should take it up with URA, not the developer.
Facing bin center is gone case already. In most condos showrooms I visited, these units r v hard to sell. There will b more such fights in e next few years as every use competes for land. Juz look at e many recent cases in e news n u know a lot of unhappiness is brewing.
bargain hunter
26-06-12, 10:42
not sure which 2 car park lots but should be one of those in this area on the right in the link below:
https://maps.google.com.sg/maps?q=30+saunders+road&hl=en&ll=1.304664,103.838761&spn=0.000043,0.019205&sll=1.289436,103.84998&sspn=0.341176,0.614548&t=h&hnear=30+Saunders+Rd,+228270&z=16&layer=c&cbll=1.304563,103.838764&panoid=eu5OPtqxxLilwSRsZml75Q&cbp=12,184.48,,0,3.22
Facing bin center is gone case already. In most condos showrooms I visited, these units r v hard to sell. There will b more such fights in e next few years as every use competes for land. Juz look at e many recent cases in e news n u know a lot of unhappiness is brewing.
having the condo JUST beside the bin centre is a big turn OFF..
no one can guarantee the possibility of smell flowing to your home :o
bargain hunter
26-06-12, 10:51
staying in the landed facing it even worse. :ashamed1:
having the condo JUST beside the bin centre is a big turn OFF..
no one can guarantee the possibility of smell flowing to your home :o
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
26-06-12, 12:08
Who owns Crapland?? Nuff said.
having the condo JUST beside the bin centre is a big turn OFF..
no one can guarantee the possibility of smell flowing to your home :o
those vacuum waste collection system is not that bad as the waste are fed directly into a conceal rubbish bin inside the bin center. Perhaps there will be smell will the truck is doing that loading and unloading. So those facing the bin center door will sure to get some smell.
Wild Falcon
26-06-12, 12:30
Wah lau. The Emerald hill residents are being ridiculous lah. Who are they to stop refuse trucks from entering the road? And who are they to stop developers who own the land from building the refuse center in the condo? And since the land is already sold to the developer, then the developer can do what he likes within the law. siao. Ask condo not to build refuse center? Selfish to the core. And what nonsense conservation when the land is already sold to the developer?
not sure which 2 car park lots but should be one of those in this area on the right in the link below:
https://maps.google.com.sg/maps?q=30+saunders+road&hl=en&ll=1.304664,103.838761&spn=0.000043,0.019205&sll=1.289436,103.84998&sspn=0.341176,0.614548&t=h&hnear=30+Saunders+Rd,+228270&z=16&layer=c&cbll=1.304563,103.838764&panoid=eu5OPtqxxLilwSRsZml75Q&cbp=12,184.48,,0,3.22
I believe he entrance should be right in front of the black VW golf. Should affect unit 46, 48 and 50.
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
26-06-12, 13:11
NIMBY syndrome... very common nowadays. Esp now pple thinking any complaint the govt will pour themselves into it...
bargain hunter
26-06-12, 16:46
i think the issue here is why the 2 public carpark lots can be sold to capitaland such that the refuse centre seem to "stick out" of the the original land owned by the developer. ie part of the centre is built on land not from the original en-bloc development.
Wah lau. The Emerald hill residents are being ridiculous lah. Who are they to stop refuse trucks from entering the road? And who are they to stop developers who own the land from building the refuse center in the condo? And since the land is already sold to the developer, then the developer can do what he likes within the law. siao. Ask condo not to build refuse center? Selfish to the core. And what nonsense conservation when the land is already sold to the developer?
i think the issue here is why the 2 public carpark lots can be sold to capitaland such that the refuse centre seem to "stick out" of the the original land owned by the developer. ie part of the centre is built on land not from the original en-bloc development.
The 2 lots may be removed to create an entry road to the rubbish point while the rubbish building will still be within the original land plot and perhaps with a bit of set back distancE.
The 2 lots may be removed to create an entry road to the rubbish point while the rubbish building will still be within the original land plot and perhaps with a bit of set back distancE.
Thats is exactly what they are doing and the bin center entrance will be located at Saunders Road. I am sure those unit opposite the bin center is going to make frequent complain about smell and pest etc.
Rubbish point looks like it's located at the triangular corner on the north side.
http://www.singaporeexpats.com/housing-in-singapore/singapore-property/site-plan-URBAN-SUITES.htm
Multi milionaire dollar landed facing rubbish bin! Wait till the garbage collector truck compresses the rubbish in front of the house. :doh:
Thats is exactly what they are doing and the bin center entrance will be located at Saunders Road. I am sure those unit opposite the bin center is going to make frequent complain about smell and pest etc.
I believe he entrance should be right in front of the black VW golf. Should affect unit 46, 48 and 50.
you are spot on. looking at the pic on post #1, can see the unique features of these houses clearly, cf with the google streetview. really sad for owners of these conservation houses. wonder whether new owner got theirs slightly `lower' or not:
EMERALD HILL CONSERVATION AREA SAUNDERS ROAD Terrace House 1 5,500,000 2,216 Land 2,482 Feb-11
Multi milionaire dollar landed facing rubbish bin! Wait till the garbage collector truck compresses the rubbish in front of the house. :doh:
HAHHAHAHAHA!! :D:D:D:D
Wild Falcon
27-06-12, 11:28
Don't think so. No way URA allow u to build outside on their land. Its just the carpark lots removed to become the entrance. And since when is car park lot "conserved"? And I look at those houses, don't look conserved to me. Total rubbish.
i think the issue here is why the 2 public carpark lots can be sold to capitaland such that the refuse centre seem to "stick out" of the the original land owned by the developer. ie part of the centre is built on land not from the original en-bloc development.
blackjack21trader
27-06-12, 12:29
Land is so expensive in this area. It must be an expensive bin centre to store rubbish. Can they use the vaccum system here to compact the rubbish?
Yes, in Japan they use the vaccum system where the rubbish centers are all underground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1AbFUOIe1g
bargain hunter
27-06-12, 12:36
yes, as the article mentioned, no such thing as conserved road. but why can the 2 car park lots be sold (or given?!?!) to capitaland for the entrance? :confused:
further up the road on the streetview, there are conserved ones but those directly facing the bin centre sure don't look conserved hehehe.
Don't think so. No way URA allow u to build outside on their land. Its just the carpark lots removed to become the entrance. And since when is car park lot "conserved"? And I look at those houses, don't look conserved to me. Total rubbish.
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