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TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
15-06-12, 14:51
Stop shoebox apartment bashing
From Leona Lo 04:45 AM Jun 14, 2012
I thank Mr Conrad Raj for speaking up, in his commentary "Not too small for comfort" (June 7), for small apartment dwellers like me, my husband and our two cats.
We are renting a 43-sq-m house and will move to a similar-sized private apartment in 2014. We love our cosy dwelling, which we can easily spring-clean without having to rely on domestic help. The space constraint curbs indulgence in unnecessary household goods.
Amid the outburst by the CEO of a prominent property developer and the hostility to small apartments by some analysts, I ask this question: "How is it any of your business if you are not paying for my mortgage?"
Small apartment dwellers can live comfortably, too. Please respect this.
/todayonline
ikan bilis
15-06-12, 14:53
no bashing, but kar-chiu/kacau a bit can or not ??.. :D
blackjack21trader
15-06-12, 15:06
Actually I dun wan to say one....but hor... I know the reason why MM is very popular and in demand- much to the contrary expectation of many locals. They do not understand the mechanics of MMs which had existed for many years overseas lor.....Should I tell or should I not reveal to you guys the reason leh .....? Hmmmmmm... I think better dun say la.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/blackjack21trader/MORE-EX2.jpg
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
15-06-12, 15:11
Eh... Smaller and cheaper is easier to makan? Sell in 10 days instead of like 100 days?
Actually I dun wan to say one....but hor... I know the reason why MM is very popular and in demand- much to the contrary expectation of many locals. They do not understand the mechanics of MMs which had existed for many years overseas lor.....Should I tell or should I not reveal to you guys the reason leh .....? Hmmmmmm... I think better dun say la.
Shhh... Let them carry on bashing.
shoebox is really small
it shape like a shoe.. :D:D
Stop shoebox apartment bashing
From Leona Lo 04:45 AM Jun 14, 2012
I thank Mr Conrad Raj for speaking up, in his commentary "Not too small for comfort" (June 7), for small apartment dwellers like me, my husband and our two cats.
We are renting a 43-sq-m house and will move to a similar-sized private apartment in 2014. We love our cosy dwelling, which we can easily spring-clean without having to rely on domestic help. The space constraint curbs indulgence in unnecessary household goods.
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how come nobody reply to Leona Lo whether she and hubby can afford bigger house in public forum?
or if same quantum, would she prefer smaller or bigger house in same location.
anybody think she would choose smaller house because no need to rely on domestic?
a lot of the letter writers opposing MM are really pussy footing. dont want to state the real reason that MM lovers buy MM is because that's all they can afford and if given a choice, MM "lovers" would buy bigger apartment if quantum the same.
how come nobody reply to Leona Lo whether she and hubby can afford bigger house in public forum?
or if same quantum, would she prefer smaller or bigger house in same location.
anybody think she would choose smaller house because no need to rely on domestic?
a lot of the letter writers opposing MM are really pussy footing. dont want to state the real reason that MM lovers buy MM is because that's all they can afford and if given a choice, MM "lovers" would buy bigger apartment if quantum the same.
tada! hit the nerve on the head!
GCB and MM going at same price 'drum roll & kee-chiu, kee-chiu'. Take your pick
how come nobody reply to Leona Lo whether she and hubby can afford bigger house in public forum?
or if same quantum, would she prefer smaller or bigger house in same location.
anybody think she would choose smaller house because no need to rely on domestic?
a lot of the letter writers opposing MM are really pussy footing. dont want to state the real reason that MM lovers buy MM is because that's all they can afford and if given a choice, MM "lovers" would buy bigger apartment if quantum the same.
What you commented on about affordability is true for most cases, but not for all.
I think Leona can afford large public housing if she really tried. She has been renting for some time so might be eligible for large HDBs / ECs but willingly stayed on. I believe she has found contentment with her apartment.
Landed owners can also say that non-landed owners are going non-landed because they cannot afford landed. But is it necessarily true, looking at the prices of both categories?
If you go for McDonalds' and the salesperson asks the customer whether he/she want to upsize, must he/she necessarily go for it? Can one just get a burger without fries or drinks if he/she is not too hungry or thirsty? Must one purchase the toy that comes with it if he/she really doesn't think he/she wants to pay for it?
For another e.g., our MP also got a rather small two-bedder, and I am sure there are many more who have done so (perhaps for even smaller units) who did not have to report because no conflict of interests. Would you say that's all our MP can afford?
tada! hit the nerve on the head!
GCB and MM going at same price 'drum roll & kee-chiu, kee-chiu'. Take your pick
The trouble with this type of thinking is... is there such a thing?
Casio sell at same price as Rolex - take your pick.
Lamborgini same price as Toyota - take your pick.
Can we say only those who go for Rolexes and Lamborginis are right?
anythingwhatever
15-06-12, 16:34
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Mickey_Mouse.svg/250px-Mickey_Mouse.svg.pngPeople simply like MM, since 1928... :tongue3: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f3/Minnie_Mouse.gif/220px-Minnie_Mouse.gif
The trouble with this type of thinking is... is there such a thing?
Casio sell at same price as Rolex - take your pick.
Lamborgini same price as Toyota - take your pick.
Can we say only those who go for Rolexes and Lamborginis are right?
not a right and wrong thing. i say those who pick casio over rolex, everything else being equal, is NUTS
I disagree with Conrad and Leona... 43 sqm shoeboxes is definitely too small for comfort. It is only big enough for my living room.
I read that Leona and her husband have two cats but no children. Shoebox dwellings discourages couples from having children, which is what Singapore desperately needs. If PAP wants to further encourage procreation, shoeboxes should to be banned. :2cents:
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
15-06-12, 16:56
how come nobody reply to Leona Lo whether she and hubby can afford bigger house in public forum?
or if same quantum, would she prefer smaller or bigger house in same location.
anybody think she would choose smaller house because no need to rely on domestic?
a lot of the letter writers opposing MM are really pussy footing. dont want to state the real reason that MM lovers buy MM is because that's all they can afford and if given a choice, MM "lovers" would buy bigger apartment if quantum the same.
I would be one of those!!! Gimme space anytime man!!!
If got extra rooms, if dont need and dun wanna clean, just lock it up!!!
not a right and wrong thing. i say those who pick casio over rolex, everything else being equal, is NUTS
Price difference will be there right from the start. How to be equal?
I disagree with Conrad and Leona... 43 sqm shoeboxes is definitely too small for comfort. It is only big enough for my living room.
I read that Leona and her husband have two cats but no children. Shoebox dwellings discourages couples from having children, which is what Singapore desperately needs. If PAP wants to further encourage procreation, shoeboxes should to be banned. :2cents:
Most of the mainstream housing are four-roomed HDBs since time immemorial, maybe about 1000sqft on average. Has this ever had a positive impact on procreation?
I would be one of those!!! Gimme space anytime man!!!
If got extra rooms, if dont need and dun wanna clean, just lock it up!!!
Mind you it's not free. Loading on your quantum and loan. Are you sure you want?
Mind you it's not free. Loading on your quantum and loan. Are you sure you want?
for own stay can afford it, get a bigger unit. For investment, need to be more nimble, get a MM.
blackjack21trader
15-06-12, 19:01
if i say the real mother of all MM reason here, MM sure rocket one... I think I better take the advice of brother kelonguni..keep silent. First, we must really see the facebook profile of those buying the MM...why are they buying it is in their profile.
buttercarp
15-06-12, 20:21
for own stay can afford it, get a bigger unit. For investment, need to be more nimble, get a MM.
But Getty Goh said on CNA that for the price one pays for a MM these days, are you confident you can get a higher price when you sell it.
But Getty Goh said on CNA that for the price one pays for a MM these days, are you confident you can get a higher price when you sell it.
I dont really know who is Getty, but this site does provide pretty good information about shoebox units.
http://www.squarefoot.com.sg/market-watch/shoebox-units
how come nobody reply to Leona Lo whether she and hubby can afford bigger house in public forum?
or if same quantum, would she prefer smaller or bigger house in same location.
anybody think she would choose smaller house because no need to rely on domestic?
If given the same price and same location, definitely I will go for bigger unit but not too big, housekeeping problem.:D Most people buy MM, the main reason is the affordability, secondly is the housekeeping.;)
But Getty Goh said on CNA that for the price one pays for a MM these days, are you confident you can get a higher price when you sell it.
Nobody expect HDB to be so expensive nowadays too.:banghead:
buttercarp
15-06-12, 22:37
I dont really know who is Getty, but this site does provide pretty good information about shoebox units.
http://www.squarefoot.com.sg/market-watch/shoebox-units
Actually I oso dunno who is Getty Goh.
But I thought his name was rather catchy when I saw him on CNA this evening.
phantom_opera
15-06-12, 23:17
But Getty Goh said on CNA that for the price one pays for a MM these days, are you confident you can get a higher price when you sell it.
He missed the boat, just like Wing Tai and CAPL
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
15-06-12, 23:36
He missed the boat, just like Wing Tai and CAPL
Getty failed to Get It this time and had to Goh
so many getty goh haters :scared-5:
Now a typical $600k FH/999LH at good location or near MRT station is quite hard to find.
phantom_opera
16-06-12, 09:56
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/living-large-in-a-tiny-house.html
Less can be more ...
168sqft MM in three-acre property
TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
16-06-12, 10:40
I disagree with Conrad and Leona... 43 sqm shoeboxes is definitely too small for comfort. It is only big enough for my living room.
I read that Leona and her husband have two cats but no children. Shoebox dwellings discourages couples from having children, which is what Singapore desperately needs. If PAP wants to further encourage procreation, shoeboxes should to be banned. :2cents:
I think very few people know that it is ILLEGAL to keep cats in hdb.
Since she is married, she could have gone for EC. Silly gal.
bakasa2002
16-06-12, 10:56
I dont really know who is Getty, but this site does provide pretty good information about shoebox units.
http://www.squarefoot.com.sg/market-watch/shoebox-units
Wah, the smallest shoebox at 258sqf is really inhumane! Lolx!
Wah, the smallest shoebox at 258sqf is really inhumane! Lolx!
I saw YouTube 90 or 78 sqft also have!
Really exaggerating.
in HK, you want a square cage just for 1 body to fit in or a nice tiny shoebox? :D:D:D:D
I dont really know who is Getty, but this site does provide pretty good information about shoebox units.
http://www.squarefoot.com.sg/market-watch/shoebox-units
some trending appearing where people do buy a smaller unit like 500 + sqft 1 bedder FH for "eventual" home stay when the kids leave the nest n lead their own life. Not too small not too big.
if plan dun pan out n leave mother earth earlier then the children can still stay at the hdb. But thr early years, the shoebox is been lease out n the take up rate apparently is good if the location is decent n near ammenities.
When retired, cash out the hdb for the retirement funds n hopefully the shoebox continues to keep its value.
by then exit from shoe box into mother earth. Sad but true :scared-5:
iwantgizmos
15-07-12, 01:49
SG shoebox vs NYC shoebox.
Ours are way better. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYl80BtCTYc
some trending appearing where people do buy a smaller unit like 500 + sqft 1 bedder FH for "eventual" home stay when the kids leave the nest n lead their own life. Not too small not too big.
if plan dun pan out n leave mother earth earlier then the children can still stay at the hdb. But thr early years, the shoebox is been lease out n the take up rate apparently is good if the location is decent n near ammenities.
When retired, cash out the hdb for the retirement funds n hopefully the shoebox continues to keep its value.
by then exit from shoe box into mother earth. Sad but true :scared-5:
....just like getting use to the next smaller box.....and btw coffin size has shrunk to urn size for many.....just visit the columbium and see vs CCK cemetery...
....just like getting use to the next smaller box.....and btw coffin size has shrunk to urn size for many.....just visit the columbium and see vs CCK cemetery...This one shrank for the last 20 years already... In some countries they have sea burial, don't even have an urn...
Stop shoebox apartment bashing
From Leona Lo 04:45 AM Jun 14, 2012
I thank Mr Conrad Raj for speaking up, in his commentary "Not too small for comfort" (June 7), for small apartment dwellers like me, my husband and our two cats.
We are renting a 43-sq-m house and will move to a similar-sized private apartment in 2014. We love our cosy dwelling, which we can easily spring-clean without having to rely on domestic help. The space constraint curbs indulgence in unnecessary household goods.
Amid the outburst by the CEO of a prominent property developer and the hostility to small apartments by some analysts, I ask this question: "How is it any of your business if you are not paying for my mortgage?"
Small apartment dwellers can live comfortably, too. Please respect this.
/todayonline
MM is just inhumane. I call this stockholm syndrome ;)
....just like getting use to the next smaller box.....and btw coffin size has shrunk to urn size for many.....just visit the columbium and see vs CCK cemetery...
an urn takes too much space.
convert ash to diamonds.
your loved ones becomes more loveable.
www.algordanza.sg
an urn takes too much space.
convert ash to diamonds.
your loved ones becomes more loveable.
www.algordanza.sg
Wow this is really unique and interesting.
However... :(
"Do you produce diamonds from ashes or hair of pets?
No. Algordanza is producing memorial diamonds solely from the cremation ashes or hair of deceased human beings."
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